Fans’ show of strength as rift puts City into a flag daze

Fans’ show of strength as rift puts City into a flag daze

Fans’ show of strength as rift puts City into a flag daze

First published in Sport York Press: Photograph of the Author by , Sports reporter

YORK City fans group Jorvik Reds have had to call off plans for a spectacular show of support at today’s FA Cup home tie against Mansfield.

The group, formed in 2004 and renowned for their Continental-style flag displays, were hoping to put on their biggest and best demonstration for the return of former manager Billy McEwan during this afternoon’s fourth qualifying round clash.

But a tightening of health and safety ground regulations has been imposed by the club, who feel their “trust has been abused” by Jorvik Reds in recent times.

The move means members of the supporters’ group, linked with crowd disturbance at Woking earlier this month, can no longer bring flag poles or their drum into KitKat Crescent on match days.

A Jorvik Reds’ spokesperson, who wished to remain anonymous due to the negative publicity surrounding the group, said: “We could have done a very big display for Mansfield, maybe a card display involving the whole Popular Stand and a large display in the David Longhurst end.

“All of our materials, however, have been banned from the ground, including the drum. It’s not a problem – if the club don’t want us active in Bootham Crescent that is up to them.

“We shall only hang our group banner – the centrepiece of our unity – and continue to get behind the team regardless of how they play.”

Communications and community director Sophie Hicks hinted the club had taken a relaxed approach with the Jorvik Reds in appreciation for of their efforts as supporters.

Hicks said, though, that alcohol and metal canisters have recently been smuggled into the ground by members of the group.

The Jorvik Reds’ spokesperson denied that members of the group had carried alcohol into the ground, saying: “We hold no objections to being searched for alcohol and other objects going into the ground. They are regulations we have never broken.”

Hicks also revealed City fear a financial penalty after referee Kevin Johnson noted, in his FA report, that a flare thrown on to the pitch at Woking delayed the kick off by three minutes until it could be removed safely.

The club have already been issued with a £200 invoice for “JR04” graffiti found at Crawley Town and Hicks added: “The club has been very supportive of the Jorvik Reds and worked hard to accommodate their flag displays, which we believe add positively to the match-day experience.

“To assist their activities, we have allowed the group to visit the ground two days before kick-off, which enables them to set up and prepare properly. However, we feel our trust has been abused as members of the group have been found in possession of alcohol within the ground on a match day and have also brought metal canisters into KitKat Crescent.

“As a result, we are now strictly following the FA’s ground regulations which state poles, smoke canisters, fireworks, air-horns or any article that might compromise public safety are not allowed into the ground.

“We welcome flags, but these cannot be attached to poles.

“Random searches will be performed by stewards as normal to ensure dangerous items do not enter KitKat Crescent and the rules will apply to both home and away supporters.

“We encourage the Jorvik Reds to attend our regular supporter forum meetings, from which they have withdrawn, as we are very keen to find a positive way forward.”

Pride, passion and full backing

THEY insist they exist to support their team in the most noisiest and colourful fashion possible.

York City fear their liveliest band of supporters might have overstepped the mark in expressing that passion this season and their future conduct will be under close scrutiny.

Speaking about the group’s raison d’etre when formed in 2004, a Jorvik Reds spokesperson told The Press: “A few of us were discussing how it wasn’t fun or even slightly exciting watching City any more. A lot of people’s interest was fading so we chose to create something rarely seen in this country, let alone the fifth division of English football.

“We brought together a lot of people passionate about City and put on displays and made new songs. We decided that we didn’t expect to go to a game to be entertained, we wanted to support the team in the loudest and most colourful way possible.

“Sometimes we might shout at the manager or a player but, as a group, we never call for negativity. We are there to support through bad times and good.”

Jorvik Reds’ influences are wide-ranging but are chiefly inspired by the Ultra movement embraced by many groups of supporters on the Continent.

The group’s familiar “Whooaa La La” chant is an adaptation of one heard in the terraces of Italian Serie ‘C’ team Cavese and the spokesperson added: “We find the scenes at matches in France, Germany, Italy, Eastern Europe and South America amazing.

“There are thousands of people doing what many in England don’t do – have fun at football games. Our aims are simple really – to support our team and to be louder and more colourful than any others who visit us.

“Away from home, we like to give the players a bit more inspiration when they play in front of 1,300 fans at grounds like Histon and Grays. We also like to express our pride in where we come from and what the York City shirt means to the fans.

“We like to use the history of our great city, the colours of our team and other social influences such as music and film. All the flags are made by our members as an expression of our passion.”

The group comprises of male and female supporters aged between 15 and 43 and amounts to roughly a couple of hundred people when active members, organisers and peripheral fans are taken into account.

There is no membership as such, just a general association between fans who might be students, probation officers, pub landlords, builders or plumbers.

“We have no criteria, dress code or rules, just a shared passion for our club,” the spokesperson pointed out.

Jorvik Reds hold regular informal meetings to discuss finances, displays and travel problems, offering very competitive transport prices for away games.

They admit, however, that their relationship with the club has grown strained.

The spokesperson added: “At the moment, our relationship is rocky with the club.

“I’d like to think that they could see our passion for the club and city and let us utilise our capabilities to show the team how much the supporters are behind them.

“We are not hooligans, we are just normal supporters wanting to create a positive atmosphere.”

Jorvik Reds’ defence

Accusation – graffiti at Crawley Town Jorvik Reds – “The Crawley fans and officials said our support was the best they had seen at their stadium but, sadly, all the attention focused on some JR04 graffiti. Nobody has ever admitted to this yet the club, perhaps justly since it said our name, accused us.

“We would never cause any damage to our own ground, let alone intentionally go to damage another ground. It would never happen.”

Accusation – throwing a smoke bomb on to the pitch at Woking and causing damage to perimeter fencing Jorvik Reds – “At Woking, we had guests from the Crystal Palace Holmesdale Fanatics at the match and wanted to show the club and our league in a good light. One York fan was ejected for standing next to a smoke bomb although he did not have it in his hand or, as he says, set it off.

“Another one was thrown out for abusing a Woking player and calling him ‘sh*t.’ If everyone was told to leave the ground for that, there would be no fans left.

“In an act of unity and disgust, the rest of the group chose to leave of their own volition. I left straight away so I did not see the fencing incident however it seems a few took their emotions too far. They have been spoken to internally and it will not happen again.”

Accusation – letting off a firework in an enclosed area at Stevenage Jorvik Reds – “We do not know who let the banger off at Stevenage. I was spoken to by a paramedic as it took me by surprise as much as anyone.

“It was perhaps a shade silly of the culprit but it will not happen from within our group and we certainly don’t intend to spoil any person’s experience of watching York City, home or away.”

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11:45am Sat 25 Oct 08

Yorkie1986 says...

Yes, this article seems to me to be saying "Poor Jorvik reds" Having been to the games they are at, generally they can not be trusted, yeah ok they may sing but they have cost the club money, act as thugs and give us true fans a bad name!

THEY WILL NEVER BE THE NOMADS!! Stop trying and stop whining about being mistreated!
Yes, this article seems to me to be saying "Poor Jorvik reds" Having been to the games they are at, generally they can not be trusted, yeah ok they may sing but they have cost the club money, act as thugs and give us true fans a bad name! THEY WILL NEVER BE THE NOMADS!! Stop trying and stop whining about being mistreated! Yorkie1986
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1:23pm Sat 25 Oct 08

maltonred says...

At last someone has seen sense and banned these moronic flag waving and drum beating antics.I for one will certainly enjoy my matchdays a lot more now.I also hope they stop jumping around like demented cheerleaders and actually watch the game.Hopefully they will learn to behave themselves stop acting like morons and stop costing the club (they say they support)money!
At last someone has seen sense and banned these moronic flag waving and drum beating antics.I for one will certainly enjoy my matchdays a lot more now.I also hope they stop jumping around like demented cheerleaders and actually watch the game.Hopefully they will learn to behave themselves stop acting like morons and stop costing the club (they say they support)money! maltonred
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1:25pm Sat 25 Oct 08

josephheller says...

Jorvik Reds and the continued passion shown by other fans are half the reason I bother going to City games nowadays. To be honest, I might just go to more away trips if the Longhurst is going to be even more dead than usual.

Really good to see The Press going beyond its shock horror stories of 'yobs' and attacks at Northwich and produce a well balanced take on the relationship between fans and the club.

If the JR leadership can calm down some of their wilder fringe members then I hope the club will still be willing to welcome them and their flags back into the ground.
Jorvik Reds and the continued passion shown by other fans are half the reason I bother going to City games nowadays. To be honest, I might just go to more away trips if the Longhurst is going to be even more dead than usual. Really good to see The Press going beyond its shock horror stories of 'yobs' and attacks at Northwich and produce a well balanced take on the relationship between fans and the club. If the JR leadership can calm down some of their wilder fringe members then I hope the club will still be willing to welcome them and their flags back into the ground. josephheller
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1:28pm Sat 25 Oct 08

noddyinnapa says...

The article does not say anywhere "Poor Jorvik Reds" but trys to give a more balanced view than often lent to the argument by a near hysterical media where anything involving football supporters are concerned.

Please justify why 'generally they cannot be trusted" is a fair statement? Just what can they not be trusted with, I've stood and sang with these guys and I felt quite happy that they weren't going to pinch my chips or purloin my pasty!

Also for what it's worth I've had the pleasure of watching them take over a pub in Torquay earlier this season and the last thing on anyones mind was a threat of violence (mpre a case of fitting another beer in)

Finally to clarify I'm not condoning the use of illegal articles in football stadia nor encouraging damage to property but I feel that you're way off the mark Yorkie1986!!
The article does not say anywhere "Poor Jorvik Reds" but trys to give a more balanced view than often lent to the argument by a near hysterical media where anything involving football supporters are concerned. Please justify why 'generally they cannot be trusted" is a fair statement? Just what can they not be trusted with, I've stood and sang with these guys and I felt quite happy that they weren't going to pinch my chips or purloin my pasty! Also for what it's worth I've had the pleasure of watching them take over a pub in Torquay earlier this season and the last thing on anyones mind was a threat of violence (mpre a case of fitting another beer in) Finally to clarify I'm not condoning the use of illegal articles in football stadia nor encouraging damage to property but I feel that you're way off the mark Yorkie1986!! noddyinnapa
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4:16pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Southern Exile says...

From my perspective I'd like to thank the Yorvik Reds for their support of the club but just offer a word of caution.
You are obviously going to be the suspects for anything at the moment, it would be dull without you but please have respect for the club and don't take things too far.
From my perspective I'd like to thank the Yorvik Reds for their support of the club but just offer a word of caution. You are obviously going to be the suspects for anything at the moment, it would be dull without you but please have respect for the club and don't take things too far. Southern Exile
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6:01pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Yorkie1986 says...

Yes and the support was shown through and through today! at least one of the Jorvik Reds was fighting with a CITY fan! Good way to make a name for yourselves!
Yes and the support was shown through and through today! at least one of the Jorvik Reds was fighting with a CITY fan! Good way to make a name for yourselves! Yorkie1986
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6:20pm Sat 25 Oct 08

The Panther says...

I've just been at the mansfield game, true the jorvick reds were at the heart of all the singing, but what bunch of thugs. After this article you'd have thought they'd have been on their best behaviour, but chants of Nick Bassett is a w****r, hardly helps their cause, nor does fighting with other home fans. if it wasnt for their financial contribution id say ban the lot of them. i really hope we come up against a club like millwall in the cup, perhaps that'll literally knok the thug element out of the group.
I've just been at the mansfield game, true the jorvick reds were at the heart of all the singing, but what bunch of thugs. After this article you'd have thought they'd have been on their best behaviour, but chants of Nick Bassett is a w****r, hardly helps their cause, nor does fighting with other home fans. if it wasnt for their financial contribution id say ban the lot of them. i really hope we come up against a club like millwall in the cup, perhaps that'll literally knok the thug element out of the group. The Panther
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6:21pm Sat 25 Oct 08

pieandapintlass says...

Talk about making a name for yourselves. I too saw the incident with another York City fan and quite frankly if you continue to behave like that then you deserve all you get I am afraid. They just give the club a bad name and its not necessary.
Talk about making a name for yourselves. I too saw the incident with another York City fan and quite frankly if you continue to behave like that then you deserve all you get I am afraid. They just give the club a bad name and its not necessary. pieandapintlass
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6:24pm Sat 25 Oct 08

producefm says...

Well I for one think the club and a lot of other supporters should get of the backs of a group of people who are trying to put a bit of life and fun into city games. The club should stop being so padantic and let the flag poles and drum back in, you have done it before now do it again. Keep up the good work JR04!
Well I for one think the club and a lot of other supporters should get of the backs of a group of people who are trying to put a bit of life and fun into city games. The club should stop being so padantic and let the flag poles and drum back in, you have done it before now do it again. Keep up the good work JR04! producefm
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6:28pm Sat 25 Oct 08

bill99 says...

oh no you dont, I have nothing to do with the JR's in any way shape ort form, so am neutral and you cant in anyway blam them for that one idiot who decided to verbally abuse the JR's. He started shouting 'your balls havent dropped yet' 'youve got no pubes' etc etc and other stupid little insults at them just beacuse they are young, then that guy STARTED the confrontation, NOT the JR'S, he was shouting 'come on then!' at the Jr's, Well done the JR's today, kept singing throughout.
oh no you dont, I have nothing to do with the JR's in any way shape ort form, so am neutral and you cant in anyway blam them for that one idiot who decided to verbally abuse the JR's. He started shouting 'your balls havent dropped yet' 'youve got no pubes' etc etc and other stupid little insults at them just beacuse they are young, then that guy STARTED the confrontation, NOT the JR'S, he was shouting 'come on then!' at the Jr's, Well done the JR's today, kept singing throughout. bill99
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6:31pm Sat 25 Oct 08

yo30 dan says...

try asking the harrogate minstermen about this incident before blind accusations start flying about. who attacked who? who's fists started flying first? Certainly not JR's
try asking the harrogate minstermen about this incident before blind accusations start flying about. who attacked who? who's fists started flying first? Certainly not JR's yo30 dan
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7:36pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Phil, Leeds says...

They mostly comprise of retards and simpletons and general sad individuals who have given YCFC a poor reputation away from home. Bye bye.
They mostly comprise of retards and simpletons and general sad individuals who have given YCFC a poor reputation away from home. Bye bye. Phil, Leeds
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9:07pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Yorkie1986 says...

Phil, Leeds wrote:
They mostly comprise of retards and simpletons and general sad individuals who have given YCFC a poor reputation away from home. Bye bye.
Here, here!
[quote][p][bold]Phil, Leeds[/bold] wrote: They mostly comprise of retards and simpletons and general sad individuals who have given YCFC a poor reputation away from home. Bye bye.[/p][/quote]Here, here! Yorkie1986
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9:21pm Sat 25 Oct 08

pieandapintlass says...

Phil, Leeds wrote:
They mostly comprise of retards and simpletons and general sad individuals who have given YCFC a poor reputation away from home. Bye bye.
I agree.
[quote][p][bold]Phil, Leeds[/bold] wrote: They mostly comprise of retards and simpletons and general sad individuals who have given YCFC a poor reputation away from home. Bye bye.[/p][/quote]I agree. pieandapintlass
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9:28pm Sat 25 Oct 08

PDH says...

How boring this has all got.
Hasnt anyone got anything to say about the match i belive we played today?
How boring this has all got. Hasnt anyone got anything to say about the match i belive we played today? PDH
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9:29pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Yorkie1986 says...

This article isnt about the game PDH
This article isnt about the game PDH Yorkie1986
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9:50pm Sat 25 Oct 08

PDH says...

Maybe its not about the game Yorkie 1986, but i think enoughs been said already and its getting rather boring.
Maybe its not about the game Yorkie 1986, but i think enoughs been said already and its getting rather boring. PDH
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9:53pm Sat 25 Oct 08

Yorkie1986 says...

You dont have to read it do you!
You dont have to read it do you! Yorkie1986
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10:03pm Sat 25 Oct 08

PDH says...

No i dont and im not going to now, because one of you big hooligans might threaten to beat me up or something even worse.
I will leave you to get on with it, but if i cant sleep i might read them later and they might bore me to sleep!
No i dont and im not going to now, because one of you big hooligans might threaten to beat me up or something even worse. I will leave you to get on with it, but if i cant sleep i might read them later and they might bore me to sleep! PDH
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10:41pm Sat 25 Oct 08

walwynwasgod says...

yo30,get a grip.You state the Harrogate Minstermen were the cause of the "fists flying".Its pathetic schoolboy chanting from the Jorviks that provoke this.Concentrate on supporting the club and not seeking "sad" publicity.I know the Harrogate lot, who have a very good reputation within the club.Stop the moronic chants against Bassett,Beck etc, and attend the supporters forums to voice your opinions. Either that, or stay away.The club will be a laughing stock when visiting fans see us fighting amongst ourselves !
yo30,get a grip.You state the Harrogate Minstermen were the cause of the "fists flying".Its pathetic schoolboy chanting from the Jorviks that provoke this.Concentrate on supporting the club and not seeking "sad" publicity.I know the Harrogate lot, who have a very good reputation within the club.Stop the moronic chants against Bassett,Beck etc, and attend the supporters forums to voice your opinions. Either that, or stay away.The club will be a laughing stock when visiting fans see us fighting amongst ourselves ! walwynwasgod
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11:14pm Sat 25 Oct 08

walwynwasgod says...

Final word on this.Thought the Jorvik flags were harmless enough when they were allowed !I'm not gonna waste any more time discussing this topic. The club is much bigger than discussing the actions of a few "angry" teenagers, but increased stewarding and policing is something we could well do without. Not to mention reports to the FA.True supporters would prevent that from happening.
Final word on this.Thought the Jorvik flags were harmless enough when they were allowed !I'm not gonna waste any more time discussing this topic. The club is much bigger than discussing the actions of a few "angry" teenagers, but increased stewarding and policing is something we could well do without. Not to mention reports to the FA.True supporters would prevent that from happening. walwynwasgod
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1:55pm Sun 26 Oct 08

York4life87 says...

Some people are pathetic arn't they
Some people are pathetic arn't they York4life87
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10:00pm Sun 26 Oct 08

YO8 says...

lets get rid of the flags and stop the songs and just shout abuse at our own players !like the real fans did on saturday i am sure when simon rusk kicked the ball out for throw he enjoyed been abused for it thats why he turned round and thanked them for there show of support. we all get wazed off but shouting abuse dont help. the JR give the players a buzz with the flags and songs and thats why they run to them when city score unless they are just trying to look for the fans who abused them 5 minutes before! KEEP IT UP JR04 SUPPORT THE CITY!!
lets get rid of the flags and stop the songs and just shout abuse at our own players !like the real fans did on saturday i am sure when simon rusk kicked the ball out for throw he enjoyed been abused for it thats why he turned round and thanked them for there show of support. we all get wazed off but shouting abuse dont help. the JR give the players a buzz with the flags and songs and thats why they run to them when city score unless they are just trying to look for the fans who abused them 5 minutes before! KEEP IT UP JR04 SUPPORT THE CITY!! YO8
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9:21am Mon 27 Oct 08

Budgie says...

YO8,What a load of crap,JR04 have their own agenda,thats been demonstated at away fixtures. When the players celebrate a goal they do it to ALL the fans in the Longhurst,not a select few.
YO8,What a load of crap,JR04 have their own agenda,thats been demonstated at away fixtures. When the players celebrate a goal they do it to ALL the fans in the Longhurst,not a select few. Budgie
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11:37am Mon 27 Oct 08

blackwolf says...

as a Y.c.k. i have no axe to grind with anybody but it does seem to me that JR's are at least trying to bring some atmosphere to the matches, Having said that if they are serious in supporting the club some of them must know who is causing the bother so why not say who they are?
as a Y.c.k. i have no axe to grind with anybody but it does seem to me that JR's are at least trying to bring some atmosphere to the matches, Having said that if they are serious in supporting the club some of them must know who is causing the bother so why not say who they are? blackwolf
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11:27pm Mon 27 Oct 08

YO8 says...

Budgie wrote:
YO8,What a load of crap,JR04 have their own agenda,thats been demonstated at away fixtures. When the players celebrate a goal they do it to ALL the fans in the Longhurst,not a select few.
dont be so rude
[quote][p][bold]Budgie[/bold] wrote: YO8,What a load of crap,JR04 have their own agenda,thats been demonstated at away fixtures. When the players celebrate a goal they do it to ALL the fans in the Longhurst,not a select few.[/p][/quote]dont be so rude YO8
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