Match report: York City 0 Rochdale 0 - Sky Bet League Two

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THERE were few shrinking violets in a real War of the Roses that saw York City fight out a 0-0 draw against cross-Pennine rivals Rochdale.

Nigel Worthington’s battle-hardened hosts, who were men down due to a mixture of suspensions, long-term injuries and warm-up withdrawals, matched their high-flying visitors throughout a keenly-contested encounter.

But a series of brave blocks and resolute defending by an equally determined visiting team, deprived of their first-choice centre-backs, left City reflecting on a second consecutive goalless draw at the final whistle and a record of only one win from their last 12 matches at the final whistle.

Few could argue, however, with Worthington’s assertion afterwards that the Minstermen’s recent points haul does not provide an accurate reflection of the team’s performance levels.

Back-to-back clean sheets, following ten matches without a shut-out, suggest the defensive frailties that were undermining the team’s progress might have now been resolved with on-loan signing Keith Lowe and long-servant David McGurk certainly forging an intelligent and assured centre-back understanding.

Having hopefully addressed that matter successfully, perhaps Worthington can now refocus on encouraging his side to attack with the same enterprise and excitement that saw them averaging three goals a game at the end of October and beginning of November.

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Ryan Bowman’s ban and a pre-match hamstring injury to fellow striker Wes Fletcher did not help in that respect.

But Ryan Brobbel, who had missed out in the previous two matches due to restrictions on the number of loan players that can be named in any matchday squad, was perhaps unfortunate to be only recalled to the bench against Rochdale after Elliott Whitehouse’s suspension had brought him back into contention.

City have only won one game without Brobbel in the starting line-up – the opening day triumph over Northampton prior to his arrival in North Yorkshire at the end of August.

His dynamism and positivity certainly gives the team attacking impetus from wide areas, as witnessed in the thumping victories over Portsmouth (4-2) and Scunthorpe (4-1) this term.

He also provides an inventiveness that it is possibly unfair to expect from makeshift winger and converted right-back Lanre Oyebanjo whose industry reaped little attacking reward against Rochdale before his 66th-minute replacement by Brobbel.

Tom Platt, while harrying well, also looked less likely to threaten in the final third than the absent Whitehouse.

In a match of few openings with defences in the ascendancy, the Minstermen might have forged in front after only 35 seconds when Josh Carson hared down the left flank and stood the ball up at the far post for Ryan Jarvis, but his downward header lacked both the required direction and power to beat visiting ’keeper Josh Lillis.

Jarvis also prodded wide from four yards after a positive run through the left channel by Ashley Chambers, who started as a centre forward after Fletcher pulled up prior to kick-off.

On seven minutes, however, Graham Cummins, Rochdale’s lone striker in a conservative 5-4-1 formation, flashed a good opportunity wide from ten yards and, moments later, Andrew Tutte fired a half-volley over from the edge of the box.

With both teams giving no quarter, the next chance of the half then came in stoppage time when on-loan Wolves ’keeper Aaron McCarey was called into rare action, diving low to his right to prevent Tutte’s 20-yard attempt sneaking inside his near post.

Moments after the restart, City saw appeals for a penalty fall on deaf ears after Jarvis tangled with Michael Rose as he tried to reach Carson’s cross from the left wing.

Keith Lowe also glanced wide with his head from Luke O’Neill’s corner on the hour and Carson’s speculative 30-yard strike was safely gathered by Lillis.

A couple of O’Neill efforts went on to hit the roof of the David Longhurst Stand while, in between on 67 minutes, Ian Henderson drove over from the edge of the box with the visitors’ first shot of the second period.

The best save of the match then saw Lillis’ outstretched left leg keep out Jarvis’ smart ten-yard shot on the turn before Henderson produced the game’s worst miss on 83 minutes.

Bursting through the left channel after Ben Davies had failed to stop Lee Molyneux in his tracks, Henderson curled wide of McCarey’s left-hand upright ten yards from goal.

Scott Hogan also wrapped his foot around a 20-yard effort that flashed wide before City sub Michael Coulson could have won the points in the second minute of added-on time.

An O’Neill flag kick fell to Coulson’s feet eight yards from goal but the last of umpteen blocks made by the visitors ensured honours ended even.


Match facts

York City

Aaron McCarey 7
Enjoyed the quietest afternoon of any of City’s four ’keepers in the last five matches.

Luke O’Neill 8
Makes the game look easy at this level, although might need to be wary of over-confidence.

Keith Lowe 8
Always in position to sweep up any danger and offered another calm and experienced head at the back.

David McGurk 8
STAR MAN – gave the kind of imperious display City fans have come to expect and his reading of the game was faultless.

Ben Davies 7
Followed a strong first half with a couple of uncertain moments after the interval, but generally solid.

Lanre Oyebanjo 6
Bags of industry and will always win headers from crosses to the far post, but looked a little lost in the advanced role.

Tom Platt 7
Harassed and looked to win possession for the team, but his best work was all done a long way from the opposition’s goal.

Lewis Montrose 7
Kept things straightforward in front of the back four without causing too much concern for Rochdale in the final third.

Josh Carson 7
On the receiving end of some rough treatment handed out to him by the visitors but remained undeterred throughout.

Ryan Jarvis 7
Persistent and always looked the hosts’ biggest goal threat, and unlucky not to beat Lillis on 79 minutes.

Ashley Chambers 6
Given a rare chance through the middle of the pitch, but failed to muster a shot on goal.

Subs: Ryan Brobbel 6 (for Oyebanjo, 66), Michael Coulson (for Chambers, 77). Not used: Craig Clay, Sander Puri, Chris Dickinson, Cameron Murray, Tom Chamberlain.

Rochdale

Josh Lillis, Joe Rafferty, Rhys Bennett, Ashley Eastham, Michael Rose, Matty Done (Lee Molyneux, 80), Ian Henderson, Andrew Tutte (Gary Dicker, 70), Matty Lund, Scott Hogan, Graham Cummins. Subs not used: Peter Cavanagh, Peter Vincenti, Robbie Thomson, Jamie Allen, Joe Bunney.

Star man: Bennett – defended with determination and strong in the air.

Referee: Andy Davies (Southampton).

Rating: 6/10 – erratic on occasions but no major mistakes.

Booked: Jarvis 18, Lowe 43, Tutte 65, Done 76, Rose 84, O’Neill 89.

Sent off: None.

Attendance: 3,471 (624 from Rochdale).

Shots on target: City 3, Rochdale 2.

Shots off target: City 4, Rochdale 6.

Corners: City 12, Rochdale 3.

Fouls conceded: City 12, Rochdale 12.

Offsides: City 0, Rochdale 1.

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5:42pm Sat 30 Nov 13

ian923 says...

City were set up for a draw and the situation got worse when Fletcher was unable to start and was replaced by Chambers rather than Brobbel or Coulson.We have to set up to win home games at least. Referee was poor and missed the blatant penalty claim by Jarvis. He and the linesman must have been the only ones in the stadium who allegedly didn't see it. Hope there was a refs official there marking him cos he would then be sitting out next weeks game.Platt was anonymous and I would have replaced him before half time but Coulson looked ok and should have played himself into next games squad. Don't know where Fyfield and Cresswell were today but we had 4 wingers on the bench before kick off! A Poor game altogether, ball in the air far too much and a match that was not worth the gate money.Now languishing in 21st place 2 points off the bottom. Things have to change.New keeper had little to do but looked ok and McGurk,Lowe O,neill and Davies looked fairly secure but defended deep in the second half giving Rochdale the freedom of the midfield.Still, I suppose GM would have called this a "massive" point and it may well be at the end of a struggling season.
City were set up for a draw and the situation got worse when Fletcher was unable to start and was replaced by Chambers rather than Brobbel or Coulson.We have to set up to win home games at least. Referee was poor and missed the blatant penalty claim by Jarvis. He and the linesman must have been the only ones in the stadium who allegedly didn't see it. Hope there was a refs official there marking him cos he would then be sitting out next weeks game.Platt was anonymous and I would have replaced him before half time but Coulson looked ok and should have played himself into next games squad. Don't know where Fyfield and Cresswell were today but we had 4 wingers on the bench before kick off! A Poor game altogether, ball in the air far too much and a match that was not worth the gate money.Now languishing in 21st place 2 points off the bottom. Things have to change.New keeper had little to do but looked ok and McGurk,Lowe O,neill and Davies looked fairly secure but defended deep in the second half giving Rochdale the freedom of the midfield.Still, I suppose GM would have called this a "massive" point and it may well be at the end of a struggling season. ian923

5:44pm Sat 30 Nov 13

YorkCityLuke says...

Not a 'good' result as we should have won it, and we're in a poor position in the table, but we looked so so much more organised and robust at the back with Lowe in the middle. I don't think a win would have flattered us at all, but we still need to get points on the board. I'm getting worried!
Not a 'good' result as we should have won it, and we're in a poor position in the table, but we looked so so much more organised and robust at the back with Lowe in the middle. I don't think a win would have flattered us at all, but we still need to get points on the board. I'm getting worried! YorkCityLuke

5:50pm Sat 30 Nov 13

pip007 says...

ian923 wrote:
City were set up for a draw and the situation got worse when Fletcher was unable to start and was replaced by Chambers rather than Brobbel or Coulson.We have to set up to win home games at least. Referee was poor and missed the blatant penalty claim by Jarvis. He and the linesman must have been the only ones in the stadium who allegedly didn't see it. Hope there was a refs official there marking him cos he would then be sitting out next weeks game.Platt was anonymous and I would have replaced him before half time but Coulson looked ok and should have played himself into next games squad. Don't know where Fyfield and Cresswell were today but we had 4 wingers on the bench before kick off! A Poor game altogether, ball in the air far too much and a match that was not worth the gate money.Now languishing in 21st place 2 points off the bottom. Things have to change.New keeper had little to do but looked ok and McGurk,Lowe O,neill and Davies looked fairly secure but defended deep in the second half giving Rochdale the freedom of the midfield.Still, I suppose GM would have called this a "massive" point and it may well be at the end of a struggling season.
GM win rate at York 43%; at Gateshead 62%. NW win rate at York 25%. Played 32 won 8. Remind me again why we hired this guy? A new manager before Christmas and we may have a chance.
[quote][p][bold]ian923[/bold] wrote: City were set up for a draw and the situation got worse when Fletcher was unable to start and was replaced by Chambers rather than Brobbel or Coulson.We have to set up to win home games at least. Referee was poor and missed the blatant penalty claim by Jarvis. He and the linesman must have been the only ones in the stadium who allegedly didn't see it. Hope there was a refs official there marking him cos he would then be sitting out next weeks game.Platt was anonymous and I would have replaced him before half time but Coulson looked ok and should have played himself into next games squad. Don't know where Fyfield and Cresswell were today but we had 4 wingers on the bench before kick off! A Poor game altogether, ball in the air far too much and a match that was not worth the gate money.Now languishing in 21st place 2 points off the bottom. Things have to change.New keeper had little to do but looked ok and McGurk,Lowe O,neill and Davies looked fairly secure but defended deep in the second half giving Rochdale the freedom of the midfield.Still, I suppose GM would have called this a "massive" point and it may well be at the end of a struggling season.[/p][/quote]GM win rate at York 43%; at Gateshead 62%. NW win rate at York 25%. Played 32 won 8. Remind me again why we hired this guy? A new manager before Christmas and we may have a chance. pip007

5:53pm Sat 30 Nov 13

PositiveFootball says...

We looked much the better team over the 90 minutes. I cant see how anyone can say that we were negative with Brobbel, Coulson, Chambers and Jarvis on the pitch. Two good saves prevented us getting all three points.
We looked much the better team over the 90 minutes. I cant see how anyone can say that we were negative with Brobbel, Coulson, Chambers and Jarvis on the pitch. Two good saves prevented us getting all three points. PositiveFootball

5:58pm Sat 30 Nov 13

joejamestom says...

Overall we were the better side today lacking a cutting edge ultimately, people see what they want to in a game of course & there is no better example of it than todays officials, how Hogan did not get a yellow card totting up his professional boggles & fouls is beyond me. Platt looked better than the last game I saw him in & Montrose was ok though rarely did we have runners from midfield troubling their back 4. Davies had a good game overall & O'Neil was my MOTM in hindsight Brobbell should have started but in a game with a lot of head tennis he might have suffered from poor service, Carson good overall but had few attempts on goal & we were generally solid except for 15 min 2nd half when Rochdale finally had a concentrated period of effort to apply preassure they looked like a mid table side just like us overall had we been at full strength then maybe 3 points.
Overall we were the better side today lacking a cutting edge ultimately, people see what they want to in a game of course & there is no better example of it than todays officials, how Hogan did not get a yellow card totting up his professional boggles & fouls is beyond me. Platt looked better than the last game I saw him in & Montrose was ok though rarely did we have runners from midfield troubling their back 4. Davies had a good game overall & O'Neil was my MOTM in hindsight Brobbell should have started but in a game with a lot of head tennis he might have suffered from poor service, Carson good overall but had few attempts on goal & we were generally solid except for 15 min 2nd half when Rochdale finally had a concentrated period of effort to apply preassure they looked like a mid table side just like us overall had we been at full strength then maybe 3 points. joejamestom

5:59pm Sat 30 Nov 13

dadster says...

Whilst its disappointing not have got the 3 points I think today emphasised again that we are not too far off where we need to be. We more than matched Rochdale who are challenging for promotion and again it highlights how tight this league is.

I thought Lowe and McGurk were excellent and obviously another clean sheet is a positive. Like most I was disappointed that Brobbel didn't start but I can see why NW went with Banjo again as he does provide better defensive cover. It was noticeable that Rochdale looked more threatening when Banjo went off although on the flip side we also looked more threatening with Brobbel on the pitch.

I think today also highlighted just how important the likes of Fletcher and Bowman are for us as we lacked a cutting edge today although credit to Jarvis who worked his socks off as usual.

The table obviously doesn't look great at the moment but I really think we can start to climb soon if we get a settled team.
Whilst its disappointing not have got the 3 points I think today emphasised again that we are not too far off where we need to be. We more than matched Rochdale who are challenging for promotion and again it highlights how tight this league is. I thought Lowe and McGurk were excellent and obviously another clean sheet is a positive. Like most I was disappointed that Brobbel didn't start but I can see why NW went with Banjo again as he does provide better defensive cover. It was noticeable that Rochdale looked more threatening when Banjo went off although on the flip side we also looked more threatening with Brobbel on the pitch. I think today also highlighted just how important the likes of Fletcher and Bowman are for us as we lacked a cutting edge today although credit to Jarvis who worked his socks off as usual. The table obviously doesn't look great at the moment but I really think we can start to climb soon if we get a settled team. dadster

6:18pm Sat 30 Nov 13

duffy says...

pip007 wrote:
ian923 wrote:
City were set up for a draw and the situation got worse when Fletcher was unable to start and was replaced by Chambers rather than Brobbel or Coulson.We have to set up to win home games at least. Referee was poor and missed the blatant penalty claim by Jarvis. He and the linesman must have been the only ones in the stadium who allegedly didn't see it. Hope there was a refs official there marking him cos he would then be sitting out next weeks game.Platt was anonymous and I would have replaced him before half time but Coulson looked ok and should have played himself into next games squad. Don't know where Fyfield and Cresswell were today but we had 4 wingers on the bench before kick off! A Poor game altogether, ball in the air far too much and a match that was not worth the gate money.Now languishing in 21st place 2 points off the bottom. Things have to change.New keeper had little to do but looked ok and McGurk,Lowe O,neill and Davies looked fairly secure but defended deep in the second half giving Rochdale the freedom of the midfield.Still, I suppose GM would have called this a "massive" point and it may well be at the end of a struggling season.
GM win rate at York 43%; at Gateshead 62%. NW win rate at York 25%. Played 32 won 8. Remind me again why we hired this guy? A new manager before Christmas and we may have a chance.
God no, not at this point. Terrible season so far but the addition of a decent centre half and goalkeeper has made a difference. With our first choice strikers fit and available we have plenty up front so not the time to panic. It's not been good, but it should start to improve from January onwards.
[quote][p][bold]pip007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ian923[/bold] wrote: City were set up for a draw and the situation got worse when Fletcher was unable to start and was replaced by Chambers rather than Brobbel or Coulson.We have to set up to win home games at least. Referee was poor and missed the blatant penalty claim by Jarvis. He and the linesman must have been the only ones in the stadium who allegedly didn't see it. Hope there was a refs official there marking him cos he would then be sitting out next weeks game.Platt was anonymous and I would have replaced him before half time but Coulson looked ok and should have played himself into next games squad. Don't know where Fyfield and Cresswell were today but we had 4 wingers on the bench before kick off! A Poor game altogether, ball in the air far too much and a match that was not worth the gate money.Now languishing in 21st place 2 points off the bottom. Things have to change.New keeper had little to do but looked ok and McGurk,Lowe O,neill and Davies looked fairly secure but defended deep in the second half giving Rochdale the freedom of the midfield.Still, I suppose GM would have called this a "massive" point and it may well be at the end of a struggling season.[/p][/quote]GM win rate at York 43%; at Gateshead 62%. NW win rate at York 25%. Played 32 won 8. Remind me again why we hired this guy? A new manager before Christmas and we may have a chance.[/p][/quote]God no, not at this point. Terrible season so far but the addition of a decent centre half and goalkeeper has made a difference. With our first choice strikers fit and available we have plenty up front so not the time to panic. It's not been good, but it should start to improve from January onwards. duffy

6:21pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Tug job says...

YorkCityLuke wrote:
Not a 'good' result as we should have won it, and we're in a poor position in the table, but we looked so so much more organised and robust at the back with Lowe in the middle. I don't think a win would have flattered us at all, but we still need to get points on the board. I'm getting worried!
Don't worry, Luke, the only table that matters is the final table. A point against a side third in the table is a good point.
[quote][p][bold]YorkCityLuke[/bold] wrote: Not a 'good' result as we should have won it, and we're in a poor position in the table, but we looked so so much more organised and robust at the back with Lowe in the middle. I don't think a win would have flattered us at all, but we still need to get points on the board. I'm getting worried![/p][/quote]Don't worry, Luke, the only table that matters is the final table. A point against a side third in the table is a good point. Tug job

6:30pm Sat 30 Nov 13

DavidBu says...

I've listened to the second half Radio York commentary today and share the frustration of those who were at BC.
I was delighted when young Brobbel came on for the final 25 mins, but, then, completely mystified when I failed to hear his name mentioned even once by Mr Parker. Having posted a comment yesterday, along with so many others, demanding that Brobbel should play, I now feel slightly uneasy.
If anyone who was at the game this afternoon is able to say how well Ryan played for 25 mins and can explain why his name was never mentioned on the radio, I'd be very grateful.
I've listened to the second half Radio York commentary today and share the frustration of those who were at BC. I was delighted when young Brobbel came on for the final 25 mins, but, then, completely mystified when I failed to hear his name mentioned even once by Mr Parker. Having posted a comment yesterday, along with so many others, demanding that Brobbel should play, I now feel slightly uneasy. If anyone who was at the game this afternoon is able to say how well Ryan played for 25 mins and can explain why his name was never mentioned on the radio, I'd be very grateful. DavidBu

7:08pm Sat 30 Nov 13

joejamestom says...

pip007 wrote:
ian923 wrote:
City were set up for a draw and the situation got worse when Fletcher was unable to start and was replaced by Chambers rather than Brobbel or Coulson.We have to set up to win home games at least. Referee was poor and missed the blatant penalty claim by Jarvis. He and the linesman must have been the only ones in the stadium who allegedly didn't see it. Hope there was a refs official there marking him cos he would then be sitting out next weeks game.Platt was anonymous and I would have replaced him before half time but Coulson looked ok and should have played himself into next games squad. Don't know where Fyfield and Cresswell were today but we had 4 wingers on the bench before kick off! A Poor game altogether, ball in the air far too much and a match that was not worth the gate money.Now languishing in 21st place 2 points off the bottom. Things have to change.New keeper had little to do but looked ok and McGurk,Lowe O,neill and Davies looked fairly secure but defended deep in the second half giving Rochdale the freedom of the midfield.Still, I suppose GM would have called this a "massive" point and it may well be at the end of a struggling season.
GM win rate at York 43%; at Gateshead 62%. NW win rate at York 25%. Played 32 won 8. Remind me again why we hired this guy? A new manager before Christmas and we may have a chance.
What was GMs win rate in the league? After all yo can make stats say anything if you are selective about the period & conditions the financial services industry have done it for years.
[quote][p][bold]pip007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ian923[/bold] wrote: City were set up for a draw and the situation got worse when Fletcher was unable to start and was replaced by Chambers rather than Brobbel or Coulson.We have to set up to win home games at least. Referee was poor and missed the blatant penalty claim by Jarvis. He and the linesman must have been the only ones in the stadium who allegedly didn't see it. Hope there was a refs official there marking him cos he would then be sitting out next weeks game.Platt was anonymous and I would have replaced him before half time but Coulson looked ok and should have played himself into next games squad. Don't know where Fyfield and Cresswell were today but we had 4 wingers on the bench before kick off! A Poor game altogether, ball in the air far too much and a match that was not worth the gate money.Now languishing in 21st place 2 points off the bottom. Things have to change.New keeper had little to do but looked ok and McGurk,Lowe O,neill and Davies looked fairly secure but defended deep in the second half giving Rochdale the freedom of the midfield.Still, I suppose GM would have called this a "massive" point and it may well be at the end of a struggling season.[/p][/quote]GM win rate at York 43%; at Gateshead 62%. NW win rate at York 25%. Played 32 won 8. Remind me again why we hired this guy? A new manager before Christmas and we may have a chance.[/p][/quote]What was GMs win rate in the league? After all yo can make stats say anything if you are selective about the period & conditions the financial services industry have done it for years. joejamestom

7:31pm Sat 30 Nov 13

roobarb85 says...

Stats can throw light on things - but not in the GM/NW debate I fear. I think both have more or less equal stats - approx 1 point per league game records (don't have exact figures to hand) so new players, different style, pretty much the same result.
Today was a point gained against a top-table team, so lets not start thinking of more change at the top just now. Plus there are no obvious candidates out there - but a change in the summer following another 18th-place finish is not impossible.
Stats can throw light on things - but not in the GM/NW debate I fear. I think both have more or less equal stats - approx 1 point per league game records (don't have exact figures to hand) so new players, different style, pretty much the same result. Today was a point gained against a top-table team, so lets not start thinking of more change at the top just now. Plus there are no obvious candidates out there - but a change in the summer following another 18th-place finish is not impossible. roobarb85

7:49pm Sat 30 Nov 13

bill bailey says...

joejamestom wrote:
pip007 wrote:
ian923 wrote:
City were set up for a draw and the situation got worse when Fletcher was unable to start and was replaced by Chambers rather than Brobbel or Coulson.We have to set up to win home games at least. Referee was poor and missed the blatant penalty claim by Jarvis. He and the linesman must have been the only ones in the stadium who allegedly didn't see it. Hope there was a refs official there marking him cos he would then be sitting out next weeks game.Platt was anonymous and I would have replaced him before half time but Coulson looked ok and should have played himself into next games squad. Don't know where Fyfield and Cresswell were today but we had 4 wingers on the bench before kick off! A Poor game altogether, ball in the air far too much and a match that was not worth the gate money.Now languishing in 21st place 2 points off the bottom. Things have to change.New keeper had little to do but looked ok and McGurk,Lowe O,neill and Davies looked fairly secure but defended deep in the second half giving Rochdale the freedom of the midfield.Still, I suppose GM would have called this a "massive" point and it may well be at the end of a struggling season.
GM win rate at York 43%; at Gateshead 62%. NW win rate at York 25%. Played 32 won 8. Remind me again why we hired this guy? A new manager before Christmas and we may have a chance.
What was GMs win rate in the league? After all yo can make stats say anything if you are selective about the period & conditions the financial services industry have done it for years.
YOU ARE RIGHT JOEJAMESTOM. I can make figures mean what ever I want too so don't trot out all these comparisons.
In every game there is a defining moment when it will go for you or against you, That was just after half time in this game , we should have had a penalty ,we didn't get it, it can take the stuffing out of a team, I'm not saying we would have won but it would have gave us more space up front, it would have made them chase the game, overall they were happy to take a point home, they knew we are an improving team, they played the percentage game. it wasn't a classic , but in my book it wasn't going to be.
[quote][p][bold]joejamestom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pip007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ian923[/bold] wrote: City were set up for a draw and the situation got worse when Fletcher was unable to start and was replaced by Chambers rather than Brobbel or Coulson.We have to set up to win home games at least. Referee was poor and missed the blatant penalty claim by Jarvis. He and the linesman must have been the only ones in the stadium who allegedly didn't see it. Hope there was a refs official there marking him cos he would then be sitting out next weeks game.Platt was anonymous and I would have replaced him before half time but Coulson looked ok and should have played himself into next games squad. Don't know where Fyfield and Cresswell were today but we had 4 wingers on the bench before kick off! A Poor game altogether, ball in the air far too much and a match that was not worth the gate money.Now languishing in 21st place 2 points off the bottom. Things have to change.New keeper had little to do but looked ok and McGurk,Lowe O,neill and Davies looked fairly secure but defended deep in the second half giving Rochdale the freedom of the midfield.Still, I suppose GM would have called this a "massive" point and it may well be at the end of a struggling season.[/p][/quote]GM win rate at York 43%; at Gateshead 62%. NW win rate at York 25%. Played 32 won 8. Remind me again why we hired this guy? A new manager before Christmas and we may have a chance.[/p][/quote]What was GMs win rate in the league? After all yo can make stats say anything if you are selective about the period & conditions the financial services industry have done it for years.[/p][/quote]YOU ARE RIGHT JOEJAMESTOM. I can make figures mean what ever I want too so don't trot out all these comparisons. In every game there is a defining moment when it will go for you or against you, That was just after half time in this game , we should have had a penalty ,we didn't get it, it can take the stuffing out of a team, I'm not saying we would have won but it would have gave us more space up front, it would have made them chase the game, overall they were happy to take a point home, they knew we are an improving team, they played the percentage game. it wasn't a classic , but in my book it wasn't going to be. bill bailey

7:55pm Sat 30 Nov 13

ian923 says...

I didn't,t intend to start an NW/GM debate! Jarvis worked very hard today but the reality is we missed our 2strikers Fletcher and Bowman and the ref probably cost us 2 points.
I didn't,t intend to start an NW/GM debate! Jarvis worked very hard today but the reality is we missed our 2strikers Fletcher and Bowman and the ref probably cost us 2 points. ian923

8:06pm Sat 30 Nov 13

duffy says...

ian923 wrote:
I didn't,t intend to start an NW/GM debate! Jarvis worked very hard today but the reality is we missed our 2strikers Fletcher and Bowman and the ref probably cost us 2 points.
Without a doubt. With those two playing today we would have taken three points. I would challenge any team at this level to lose probably their best two strikers and not be effected.
[quote][p][bold]ian923[/bold] wrote: I didn't,t intend to start an NW/GM debate! Jarvis worked very hard today but the reality is we missed our 2strikers Fletcher and Bowman and the ref probably cost us 2 points.[/p][/quote]Without a doubt. With those two playing today we would have taken three points. I would challenge any team at this level to lose probably their best two strikers and not be effected. duffy

8:08pm Sat 30 Nov 13

sixtyfourfive says...

dadster wrote:
Whilst its disappointing not have got the 3 points I think today emphasised again that we are not too far off where we need to be. We more than matched Rochdale who are challenging for promotion and again it highlights how tight this league is. I thought Lowe and McGurk were excellent and obviously another clean sheet is a positive. Like most I was disappointed that Brobbel didn't start but I can see why NW went with Banjo again as he does provide better defensive cover. It was noticeable that Rochdale looked more threatening when Banjo went off although on the flip side we also looked more threatening with Brobbel on the pitch. I think today also highlighted just how important the likes of Fletcher and Bowman are for us as we lacked a cutting edge today although credit to Jarvis who worked his socks off as usual. The table obviously doesn't look great at the moment but I really think we can start to climb soon if we get a settled team.
"Not too far off where we need to be" ? For goodness sake we are nearly bottom of the league,have won only 4 league matches all season, won 1 in the last 9 - and still for many Worthington walks on water. I keep hearing things like "we are nearly there", "start to climb" etc etc -but the stark truth is this is now his team and we are in a results driven business. Fletcher injured - why no Cresswell - surely the obvious replacement and don't we as fans deserve an explanation as to his mysterious absence recently? We need wins yet he sets us up defensively with Oyebanjo rather than Brobbel - cannot see him staying much longer to bench warm. What has Fyfield done to not even make the bench and give a better balance eg cover at centre back if needed. On the plus side nice to see a quality cameo appearance from a hopefully rejuvenated Michael Coulson.
[quote][p][bold]dadster[/bold] wrote: Whilst its disappointing not have got the 3 points I think today emphasised again that we are not too far off where we need to be. We more than matched Rochdale who are challenging for promotion and again it highlights how tight this league is. I thought Lowe and McGurk were excellent and obviously another clean sheet is a positive. Like most I was disappointed that Brobbel didn't start but I can see why NW went with Banjo again as he does provide better defensive cover. It was noticeable that Rochdale looked more threatening when Banjo went off although on the flip side we also looked more threatening with Brobbel on the pitch. I think today also highlighted just how important the likes of Fletcher and Bowman are for us as we lacked a cutting edge today although credit to Jarvis who worked his socks off as usual. The table obviously doesn't look great at the moment but I really think we can start to climb soon if we get a settled team.[/p][/quote]"Not too far off where we need to be" ? For goodness sake we are nearly bottom of the league,have won only 4 league matches all season, won 1 in the last 9 - and still for many Worthington walks on water. I keep hearing things like "we are nearly there", "start to climb" etc etc -but the stark truth is this is now his team and we are in a results driven business. Fletcher injured - why no Cresswell - surely the obvious replacement and don't we as fans deserve an explanation as to his mysterious absence recently? We need wins yet he sets us up defensively with Oyebanjo rather than Brobbel - cannot see him staying much longer to bench warm. What has Fyfield done to not even make the bench and give a better balance eg cover at centre back if needed. On the plus side nice to see a quality cameo appearance from a hopefully rejuvenated Michael Coulson. sixtyfourfive

8:10pm Sat 30 Nov 13

joejamestom says...

Pip007 is there an answer forthcoming? Or are you hoping to influence a call for a change? I am happy to see the stats & draw my own conclusions, my own personal take on it was GM wanted a certain style of football which we pretty much could afford in th conference but in the league could not stretch to & he was too stubborn to adjust to the players we could afford, whereas NW has so far this season just missed having a good all round team having not quite adjusted to the league 2 environment along with a couple of our long standing players.
Pip007 is there an answer forthcoming? Or are you hoping to influence a call for a change? I am happy to see the stats & draw my own conclusions, my own personal take on it was GM wanted a certain style of football which we pretty much could afford in th conference but in the league could not stretch to & he was too stubborn to adjust to the players we could afford, whereas NW has so far this season just missed having a good all round team having not quite adjusted to the league 2 environment along with a couple of our long standing players. joejamestom

8:12pm Sat 30 Nov 13

OLD - HEAD says...

I didnt think that todays match was a bad watch. Although neither team were really good enough to go on and win the game. We are obviously going to have to scrap and scrape for every single point this season. The new goalkeeper looks to be a big strong confident lad, but Rochdale didnt put that much pressure on him today. The back four dealt quite easily with everything that Rochdale tried to throw at us. We just had one bit of good fortune when Henderson shot wide, when everyone expected him to score. Nice to see Michael Coulson back in a York City shirt again, he looked quite lively when he came on. Sad news that Danny Parslow could be out for about six months. An earlier poster asked about Richard Cresswell and Jamal Fyfield not being named in the squad, well today the rumours were getting louder and louder, we will just have to wait and see on that one.
I didnt think that todays match was a bad watch. Although neither team were really good enough to go on and win the game. We are obviously going to have to scrap and scrape for every single point this season. The new goalkeeper looks to be a big strong confident lad, but Rochdale didnt put that much pressure on him today. The back four dealt quite easily with everything that Rochdale tried to throw at us. We just had one bit of good fortune when Henderson shot wide, when everyone expected him to score. Nice to see Michael Coulson back in a York City shirt again, he looked quite lively when he came on. Sad news that Danny Parslow could be out for about six months. An earlier poster asked about Richard Cresswell and Jamal Fyfield not being named in the squad, well today the rumours were getting louder and louder, we will just have to wait and see on that one. OLD - HEAD

8:15pm Sat 30 Nov 13

23rdApril1966 says...

Rochdale 4th in the table and a point off top spot prior to start of game. Nothing could sum up the mediocrity of Div 2 more than that. They were awful from start to end and we yet again adopted negative tactics at home.
Despite the revolving door that is YCFC squad this season we end up with Jarvis playing a lone striker, Bowman suspended, Fletcher injured in the kick about and Cressweill rumoured to have walked out- anybody know?
We are five points worse off than this time last season and whilst I too have seen many hard luck stories this season surel y there comes a time when we need to face facts that the Table doesn't lie.
God knows how many players we will have fielded come May 3rd.
Please somebody tell me how Platt draws a wage as a professional football player and how he played 90 minutes today. One can only assume that Clay and Puri are out of the door in January.
Rochdale 4th in the table and a point off top spot prior to start of game. Nothing could sum up the mediocrity of Div 2 more than that. They were awful from start to end and we yet again adopted negative tactics at home. Despite the revolving door that is YCFC squad this season we end up with Jarvis playing a lone striker, Bowman suspended, Fletcher injured in the kick about and Cressweill rumoured to have walked out- anybody know? We are five points worse off than this time last season and whilst I too have seen many hard luck stories this season surel y there comes a time when we need to face facts that the Table doesn't lie. God knows how many players we will have fielded come May 3rd. Please somebody tell me how Platt draws a wage as a professional football player and how he played 90 minutes today. One can only assume that Clay and Puri are out of the door in January. 23rdApril1966

8:18pm Sat 30 Nov 13

bill bailey says...

OLD - HEAD wrote:
I didnt think that todays match was a bad watch. Although neither team were really good enough to go on and win the game. We are obviously going to have to scrap and scrape for every single point this season. The new goalkeeper looks to be a big strong confident lad, but Rochdale didnt put that much pressure on him today. The back four dealt quite easily with everything that Rochdale tried to throw at us. We just had one bit of good fortune when Henderson shot wide, when everyone expected him to score. Nice to see Michael Coulson back in a York City shirt again, he looked quite lively when he came on. Sad news that Danny Parslow could be out for about six months. An earlier poster asked about Richard Cresswell and Jamal Fyfield not being named in the squad, well today the rumours were getting louder and louder, we will just have to wait and see on that one.
If what I have been told Cresswell will see out this year and will joining an unnamed club as a coach ,
[quote][p][bold]OLD - HEAD[/bold] wrote: I didnt think that todays match was a bad watch. Although neither team were really good enough to go on and win the game. We are obviously going to have to scrap and scrape for every single point this season. The new goalkeeper looks to be a big strong confident lad, but Rochdale didnt put that much pressure on him today. The back four dealt quite easily with everything that Rochdale tried to throw at us. We just had one bit of good fortune when Henderson shot wide, when everyone expected him to score. Nice to see Michael Coulson back in a York City shirt again, he looked quite lively when he came on. Sad news that Danny Parslow could be out for about six months. An earlier poster asked about Richard Cresswell and Jamal Fyfield not being named in the squad, well today the rumours were getting louder and louder, we will just have to wait and see on that one.[/p][/quote]If what I have been told Cresswell will see out this year and will joining an unnamed club as a coach , bill bailey

8:48pm Sat 30 Nov 13

chuckabuttie says...

Well you wait weeks for a clean sheet and like the proverbial bus two come along back to back. Problem is, previous free scoring up front which helped defensive inadequacies dries up.

This is turning into a more frustrating season than last at this rate. A very ordinary league, where we're becoming in danger of being a less than ordinary participant.

January's window will be pivotal
Well you wait weeks for a clean sheet and like the proverbial bus two come along back to back. Problem is, previous free scoring up front which helped defensive inadequacies dries up. This is turning into a more frustrating season than last at this rate. A very ordinary league, where we're becoming in danger of being a less than ordinary participant. January's window will be pivotal chuckabuttie

9:09pm Sat 30 Nov 13

Tug job says...

bill bailey wrote:
OLD - HEAD wrote:
I didnt think that todays match was a bad watch. Although neither team were really good enough to go on and win the game. We are obviously going to have to scrap and scrape for every single point this season. The new goalkeeper looks to be a big strong confident lad, but Rochdale didnt put that much pressure on him today. The back four dealt quite easily with everything that Rochdale tried to throw at us. We just had one bit of good fortune when Henderson shot wide, when everyone expected him to score. Nice to see Michael Coulson back in a York City shirt again, he looked quite lively when he came on. Sad news that Danny Parslow could be out for about six months. An earlier poster asked about Richard Cresswell and Jamal Fyfield not being named in the squad, well today the rumours were getting louder and louder, we will just have to wait and see on that one.
If what I have been told Cresswell will see out this year and will joining an unnamed club as a coach ,
I have heard that Cressie has recurrent eye problems which will require further surgery and that "a club in Yorkshire" has offered him a coaching role from the end of this season.
[quote][p][bold]bill bailey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OLD - HEAD[/bold] wrote: I didnt think that todays match was a bad watch. Although neither team were really good enough to go on and win the game. We are obviously going to have to scrap and scrape for every single point this season. The new goalkeeper looks to be a big strong confident lad, but Rochdale didnt put that much pressure on him today. The back four dealt quite easily with everything that Rochdale tried to throw at us. We just had one bit of good fortune when Henderson shot wide, when everyone expected him to score. Nice to see Michael Coulson back in a York City shirt again, he looked quite lively when he came on. Sad news that Danny Parslow could be out for about six months. An earlier poster asked about Richard Cresswell and Jamal Fyfield not being named in the squad, well today the rumours were getting louder and louder, we will just have to wait and see on that one.[/p][/quote]If what I have been told Cresswell will see out this year and will joining an unnamed club as a coach ,[/p][/quote]I have heard that Cressie has recurrent eye problems which will require further surgery and that "a club in Yorkshire" has offered him a coaching role from the end of this season. Tug job

9:33pm Sat 30 Nov 13

paddymacwakey says...

the goals will dry up,if you set up at home defensively against another ordinary team.chuckabuttie said the goals have dried up,but when you consider,there was no bowman,fletcher,brob
bel on the bench what do you expect.we missed whitehouse also.like another post on here said he doesn't know how platt can claim his wage,he was non existent for 90 minutes.also chambers,no shot on goal again,half hearted tackles,no pace and no confidence,12 months ago he was ripping defences to pieces and scoring goals.he has had plenty of chances to cement his place back in the team,but half the time he doesn't seem interested.nice to see Coulson,and he put more in 10 minutes than chambers did all game.we looked a lot better in defence and the keeper looked sound,even if he didn't have much to do.one final note,what has puri done to be sat on the bench all the time.
the goals will dry up,if you set up at home defensively against another ordinary team.chuckabuttie said the goals have dried up,but when you consider,there was no bowman,fletcher,brob bel on the bench what do you expect.we missed whitehouse also.like another post on here said he doesn't know how platt can claim his wage,he was non existent for 90 minutes.also chambers,no shot on goal again,half hearted tackles,no pace and no confidence,12 months ago he was ripping defences to pieces and scoring goals.he has had plenty of chances to cement his place back in the team,but half the time he doesn't seem interested.nice to see Coulson,and he put more in 10 minutes than chambers did all game.we looked a lot better in defence and the keeper looked sound,even if he didn't have much to do.one final note,what has puri done to be sat on the bench all the time. paddymacwakey

9:48pm Sat 30 Nov 13

dadster says...

sixtyfourfive wrote:
dadster wrote:
Whilst its disappointing not have got the 3 points I think today emphasised again that we are not too far off where we need to be. We more than matched Rochdale who are challenging for promotion and again it highlights how tight this league is. I thought Lowe and McGurk were excellent and obviously another clean sheet is a positive. Like most I was disappointed that Brobbel didn't start but I can see why NW went with Banjo again as he does provide better defensive cover. It was noticeable that Rochdale looked more threatening when Banjo went off although on the flip side we also looked more threatening with Brobbel on the pitch. I think today also highlighted just how important the likes of Fletcher and Bowman are for us as we lacked a cutting edge today although credit to Jarvis who worked his socks off as usual. The table obviously doesn't look great at the moment but I really think we can start to climb soon if we get a settled team.
"Not too far off where we need to be" ? For goodness sake we are nearly bottom of the league,have won only 4 league matches all season, won 1 in the last 9 - and still for many Worthington walks on water. I keep hearing things like "we are nearly there", "start to climb" etc etc -but the stark truth is this is now his team and we are in a results driven business. Fletcher injured - why no Cresswell - surely the obvious replacement and don't we as fans deserve an explanation as to his mysterious absence recently? We need wins yet he sets us up defensively with Oyebanjo rather than Brobbel - cannot see him staying much longer to bench warm. What has Fyfield done to not even make the bench and give a better balance eg cover at centre back if needed. On the plus side nice to see a quality cameo appearance from a hopefully rejuvenated Michael Coulson.
You're right we are only 4 points from the bottom of the league but we are also only 4 points from 14th and the mid table position which I have said from the start is a realistic aim for us this season hence my comment about being "not too far off where we need to be".

IMO we also have better players in general than last season, albeit a lot of which are on loan, and now we seem to have improved our weakest element of the team i.e. the defence then I see no reason why we won't show improvement over the coming months. We all know, as does NW, that there are a few players from GM's reign that need to be shown the door but they are under contract hence why they are still here. Like most others have said if we are still where we are at the end of Jan having had the transfer window then I may change my opinion.

I certainly don't think that NW "walks on water" and I don't agree with all the selection and recruitment he has done but IMO we are more than competing in the vast majority of games and whilst I appreciate the result is the most important thing I firmly believe these will come. Unfortunately, football fans in general are impatient and I'm as frustrated as anyone at the moment. If I couldn't see any improvement from last season I would say so and be questioning what NW is doing.
[quote][p][bold]sixtyfourfive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dadster[/bold] wrote: Whilst its disappointing not have got the 3 points I think today emphasised again that we are not too far off where we need to be. We more than matched Rochdale who are challenging for promotion and again it highlights how tight this league is. I thought Lowe and McGurk were excellent and obviously another clean sheet is a positive. Like most I was disappointed that Brobbel didn't start but I can see why NW went with Banjo again as he does provide better defensive cover. It was noticeable that Rochdale looked more threatening when Banjo went off although on the flip side we also looked more threatening with Brobbel on the pitch. I think today also highlighted just how important the likes of Fletcher and Bowman are for us as we lacked a cutting edge today although credit to Jarvis who worked his socks off as usual. The table obviously doesn't look great at the moment but I really think we can start to climb soon if we get a settled team.[/p][/quote]"Not too far off where we need to be" ? For goodness sake we are nearly bottom of the league,have won only 4 league matches all season, won 1 in the last 9 - and still for many Worthington walks on water. I keep hearing things like "we are nearly there", "start to climb" etc etc -but the stark truth is this is now his team and we are in a results driven business. Fletcher injured - why no Cresswell - surely the obvious replacement and don't we as fans deserve an explanation as to his mysterious absence recently? We need wins yet he sets us up defensively with Oyebanjo rather than Brobbel - cannot see him staying much longer to bench warm. What has Fyfield done to not even make the bench and give a better balance eg cover at centre back if needed. On the plus side nice to see a quality cameo appearance from a hopefully rejuvenated Michael Coulson.[/p][/quote]You're right we are only 4 points from the bottom of the league but we are also only 4 points from 14th and the mid table position which I have said from the start is a realistic aim for us this season hence my comment about being "not too far off where we need to be". IMO we also have better players in general than last season, albeit a lot of which are on loan, and now we seem to have improved our weakest element of the team i.e. the defence then I see no reason why we won't show improvement over the coming months. We all know, as does NW, that there are a few players from GM's reign that need to be shown the door but they are under contract hence why they are still here. Like most others have said if we are still where we are at the end of Jan having had the transfer window then I may change my opinion. I certainly don't think that NW "walks on water" and I don't agree with all the selection and recruitment he has done but IMO we are more than competing in the vast majority of games and whilst I appreciate the result is the most important thing I firmly believe these will come. Unfortunately, football fans in general are impatient and I'm as frustrated as anyone at the moment. If I couldn't see any improvement from last season I would say so and be questioning what NW is doing. dadster

9:59pm Sat 30 Nov 13

openallhours says...

An excellent point, a superb debut for Keith Lowe and another clean sheet. Looking good for 2014.
An excellent point, a superb debut for Keith Lowe and another clean sheet. Looking good for 2014. openallhours

10:26pm Sat 30 Nov 13

saw4 says...

A few harsh comments on here today. Thought it was a very entertaining game with an exciting last 10 minutes. We could and probably should have snatched three points. Thought Lowe was solid all game. All the players grafted today and you could tell they were giving everything. I left the match fairly happy, things will surely get better if we keep playing like that and steadily improving?
A few harsh comments on here today. Thought it was a very entertaining game with an exciting last 10 minutes. We could and probably should have snatched three points. Thought Lowe was solid all game. All the players grafted today and you could tell they were giving everything. I left the match fairly happy, things will surely get better if we keep playing like that and steadily improving? saw4

10:40pm Sat 30 Nov 13

erniet says...

For what it's worth, because I only see a few games each season as a southern-based supporter, I can see how much stronger we are than last season. I do bow to the regulars and understand their frustration - I am frustrated too! But my frustration is more puzzlement than annoyance. I saw how limited last season's group were at places like Oxford where we would never have scored if we'd still be playing today. This season, in the few games I've seen, the team looks capable of scoring and looks much stronger and more competitive. My puzzlement is that we haven't actually improved the results despite this. I remain hopeful that it will come, and we should remember things looked hopeless as late as April last season. My one gripe is that NW seems to make some strange selections. Why Coulson and Puri don't get more chances rather than the likes of Platt and Chambers I'm not sure. And of course I would use Brobbel, especially in home games. No reason why Carson couldn't come inside if we need to keep Banjo on the right. January will see what happens with the loanees and let's keep hoping
For what it's worth, because I only see a few games each season as a southern-based supporter, I can see how much stronger we are than last season. I do bow to the regulars and understand their frustration - I am frustrated too! But my frustration is more puzzlement than annoyance. I saw how limited last season's group were at places like Oxford where we would never have scored if we'd still be playing today. This season, in the few games I've seen, the team looks capable of scoring and looks much stronger and more competitive. My puzzlement is that we haven't actually improved the results despite this. I remain hopeful that it will come, and we should remember things looked hopeless as late as April last season. My one gripe is that NW seems to make some strange selections. Why Coulson and Puri don't get more chances rather than the likes of Platt and Chambers I'm not sure. And of course I would use Brobbel, especially in home games. No reason why Carson couldn't come inside if we need to keep Banjo on the right. January will see what happens with the loanees and let's keep hoping erniet

8:18am Sun 1 Dec 13

brahma says...

For my money a decent point. Lowe and TY looked solid together and the keeper seemed competent as well. Coulson looked up for it when he came on. Brobbel never got a look in after he came on because all our effort came down the right. As for Platt I thought he did a perfectly OK job in midfield, including getting his head kicked off in the first half while standing erect - an offence for which their player didn't even get spoken to. Apart from twenty minutes after we were denied a nailed on penalty and heads went down a bit, we never looked like losing. What are our chances of getting Lowe for the rest of the season or on contract?
For my money a decent point. Lowe and TY looked solid together and the keeper seemed competent as well. Coulson looked up for it when he came on. Brobbel never got a look in after he came on because all our effort came down the right. As for Platt I thought he did a perfectly OK job in midfield, including getting his head kicked off in the first half while standing erect - an offence for which their player didn't even get spoken to. Apart from twenty minutes after we were denied a nailed on penalty and heads went down a bit, we never looked like losing. What are our chances of getting Lowe for the rest of the season or on contract? brahma

8:26am Sun 1 Dec 13

yorkandproud says...

saw4 wrote:
A few harsh comments on here today. Thought it was a very entertaining game with an exciting last 10 minutes. We could and probably should have snatched three points. Thought Lowe was solid all game. All the players grafted today and you could tell they were giving everything. I left the match fairly happy, things will surely get better if we keep playing like that and steadily improving?
I agree. Just need a few breaks. We are just as good a side as Rochdale, Chesterfield, and others at the other end of Div 2. Our wins will come in new year COYR.
[quote][p][bold]saw4[/bold] wrote: A few harsh comments on here today. Thought it was a very entertaining game with an exciting last 10 minutes. We could and probably should have snatched three points. Thought Lowe was solid all game. All the players grafted today and you could tell they were giving everything. I left the match fairly happy, things will surely get better if we keep playing like that and steadily improving?[/p][/quote]I agree. Just need a few breaks. We are just as good a side as Rochdale, Chesterfield, and others at the other end of Div 2. Our wins will come in new year COYR. yorkandproud

9:01am Sun 1 Dec 13

duffy says...

I would be more worried if we were getting thrashed abd looking out if our depth every week but that's simply not the case. What has cost us this season has been lots of individual mistakes and you hardly needed to be a rocket scientist to see where we needed strengthening. There was nothing between the two teams again yesterday was there ?
I would be more worried if we were getting thrashed abd looking out if our depth every week but that's simply not the case. What has cost us this season has been lots of individual mistakes and you hardly needed to be a rocket scientist to see where we needed strengthening. There was nothing between the two teams again yesterday was there ? duffy

9:19am Sun 1 Dec 13

YorkCity1990 says...

Yet again the delusion has set in amongst some. Why be happy with a point, that's all people have been saying all season and look where we are? We don't need draws, we need wins. Stupid tactics yet again by NW, you can see why the Irish hated him. Yes we kept a clean sheet, which is a plus but we need to be finishing these matches off.
I think we was very lucky to stay up last season, but obviously we have not learnt from it, It's bloody ridiculous, and NW needs to **** off and take half of the rubbish he brought in with him before he drags this club down.
Yet again the delusion has set in amongst some. Why be happy with a point, that's all people have been saying all season and look where we are? We don't need draws, we need wins. Stupid tactics yet again by NW, you can see why the Irish hated him. Yes we kept a clean sheet, which is a plus but we need to be finishing these matches off. I think we was very lucky to stay up last season, but obviously we have not learnt from it, It's bloody ridiculous, and NW needs to **** off and take half of the rubbish he brought in with him before he drags this club down. YorkCity1990

10:21am Sun 1 Dec 13

YorkCityLuke says...

duffy wrote:
I would be more worried if we were getting thrashed abd looking out if our depth every week but that's simply not the case. What has cost us this season has been lots of individual mistakes and you hardly needed to be a rocket scientist to see where we needed strengthening. There was nothing between the two teams again yesterday was there ?
We don't look out of our depth, no, but when you look at the horrendous 17 game winless run last season we were only 'thrashed' twice, with 8 draws and the rest we only lost by one or two goals. I remember vividly outplaying Rotherham for 90 minutes only to throw away the point in the closing minutes with another telling individual error. The point is, we never really looked outclassed but we didn't pick up any points either. I'm not saying NW is heading the same way, because we have a better set of strikers and the beginnings of a more sturdy defence, but it's certainly worrying me.
[quote][p][bold]duffy[/bold] wrote: I would be more worried if we were getting thrashed abd looking out if our depth every week but that's simply not the case. What has cost us this season has been lots of individual mistakes and you hardly needed to be a rocket scientist to see where we needed strengthening. There was nothing between the two teams again yesterday was there ?[/p][/quote]We don't look out of our depth, no, but when you look at the horrendous 17 game winless run last season we were only 'thrashed' twice, with 8 draws and the rest we only lost by one or two goals. I remember vividly outplaying Rotherham for 90 minutes only to throw away the point in the closing minutes with another telling individual error. The point is, we never really looked outclassed but we didn't pick up any points either. I'm not saying NW is heading the same way, because we have a better set of strikers and the beginnings of a more sturdy defence, but it's certainly worrying me. YorkCityLuke

12:44pm Sun 1 Dec 13

FortessBC says...

saw4 wrote:
A few harsh comments on here today. Thought it was a very entertaining game with an exciting last 10 minutes. We could and probably should have snatched three points. Thought Lowe was solid all game. All the players grafted today and you could tell they were giving everything. I left the match fairly happy, things will surely get better if we keep playing like that and steadily improving?
I agree totally. Lowe looked excellent at the back with Ty and had we taken one of the chances late on we would be sitting 3/4 places higher in the league. The league is incredibly tight and when you see the weekends results you realise that teams are taking points off each other all the time. Losing Fletcher before kick-off was a blow and so we shouldn't be too disappointed. A committed hardworking performance by all and we should remain positive. Cresswell apparently had a strain hence his absence from the bench. Some on here are far too quick to criticise NW without knowing the facts.
[quote][p][bold]saw4[/bold] wrote: A few harsh comments on here today. Thought it was a very entertaining game with an exciting last 10 minutes. We could and probably should have snatched three points. Thought Lowe was solid all game. All the players grafted today and you could tell they were giving everything. I left the match fairly happy, things will surely get better if we keep playing like that and steadily improving?[/p][/quote]I agree totally. Lowe looked excellent at the back with Ty and had we taken one of the chances late on we would be sitting 3/4 places higher in the league. The league is incredibly tight and when you see the weekends results you realise that teams are taking points off each other all the time. Losing Fletcher before kick-off was a blow and so we shouldn't be too disappointed. A committed hardworking performance by all and we should remain positive. Cresswell apparently had a strain hence his absence from the bench. Some on here are far too quick to criticise NW without knowing the facts. FortessBC

12:46pm Sun 1 Dec 13

openallhours says...

FortessBC wrote:
saw4 wrote:
A few harsh comments on here today. Thought it was a very entertaining game with an exciting last 10 minutes. We could and probably should have snatched three points. Thought Lowe was solid all game. All the players grafted today and you could tell they were giving everything. I left the match fairly happy, things will surely get better if we keep playing like that and steadily improving?
I agree totally. Lowe looked excellent at the back with Ty and had we taken one of the chances late on we would be sitting 3/4 places higher in the league. The league is incredibly tight and when you see the weekends results you realise that teams are taking points off each other all the time. Losing Fletcher before kick-off was a blow and so we shouldn't be too disappointed. A committed hardworking performance by all and we should remain positive. Cresswell apparently had a strain hence his absence from the bench. Some on here are far too quick to criticise NW without knowing the facts.
Absolutely spot on.
[quote][p][bold]FortessBC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saw4[/bold] wrote: A few harsh comments on here today. Thought it was a very entertaining game with an exciting last 10 minutes. We could and probably should have snatched three points. Thought Lowe was solid all game. All the players grafted today and you could tell they were giving everything. I left the match fairly happy, things will surely get better if we keep playing like that and steadily improving?[/p][/quote]I agree totally. Lowe looked excellent at the back with Ty and had we taken one of the chances late on we would be sitting 3/4 places higher in the league. The league is incredibly tight and when you see the weekends results you realise that teams are taking points off each other all the time. Losing Fletcher before kick-off was a blow and so we shouldn't be too disappointed. A committed hardworking performance by all and we should remain positive. Cresswell apparently had a strain hence his absence from the bench. Some on here are far too quick to criticise NW without knowing the facts.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. openallhours

1:01pm Sun 1 Dec 13

OLD - HEAD says...

This current City team is desperately in need of a mid-field makeover. We give the ball away far too easily, and we dont have an experienced play-maker to control the mid-field area. But I do understand that we dont have the financial clout to go out and sign top quality players. So in the mean-time we have to accept that you only get what you pay for. This season we have tried playing with full backs and centre backs in mid-field, but they are no substitute for the real thing. For my money the priority in January has to be strengthening this problem area. It looks like being an even tougher season than last season. To give us a chance we need to get the engine-room of the team in better order.
This current City team is desperately in need of a mid-field makeover. We give the ball away far too easily, and we dont have an experienced play-maker to control the mid-field area. But I do understand that we dont have the financial clout to go out and sign top quality players. So in the mean-time we have to accept that you only get what you pay for. This season we have tried playing with full backs and centre backs in mid-field, but they are no substitute for the real thing. For my money the priority in January has to be strengthening this problem area. It looks like being an even tougher season than last season. To give us a chance we need to get the engine-room of the team in better order. OLD - HEAD

2:16pm Sun 1 Dec 13

SelseyBill says...

Like said before you do not win games if you don't score. Clean sheets are only half the job done..... What do we do now that parslow is out.
Like said before you do not win games if you don't score. Clean sheets are only half the job done..... What do we do now that parslow is out. SelseyBill

6:52pm Sun 1 Dec 13

johnbyrneshair says...

I thought the back4 had a good, tight game. Chambers was on a hiding to nothing playing up front and being fed high balls. He ran his socks off but never looked a goal threat. Can't believe we didn't score in last 10 minutes - had all the goal to aim for but hit the keeper's foot. Rochdale were a poor side - if that is the quality at the top we can easily compete- just need to turn daws into wins which would have happened yesterday if Fletch had played.
I thought the back4 had a good, tight game. Chambers was on a hiding to nothing playing up front and being fed high balls. He ran his socks off but never looked a goal threat. Can't believe we didn't score in last 10 minutes - had all the goal to aim for but hit the keeper's foot. Rochdale were a poor side - if that is the quality at the top we can easily compete- just need to turn daws into wins which would have happened yesterday if Fletch had played. johnbyrneshair

7:15pm Sun 1 Dec 13

Budgie says...

How Chambers can be selected before Brobbel or Coulson baffles me, Must hang on to Lowe he and McGurk shut out a Rochdale team that had one shot (a weak free kick) on target. The Jury is still out on our new goalie but his kicking was better than someone else I know.
How Chambers can be selected before Brobbel or Coulson baffles me, Must hang on to Lowe he and McGurk shut out a Rochdale team that had one shot (a weak free kick) on target. The Jury is still out on our new goalie but his kicking was better than someone else I know. Budgie

8:12pm Sun 1 Dec 13

joejamestom says...

OLD - HEAD wrote:
This current City team is desperately in need of a mid-field makeover. We give the ball away far too easily, and we dont have an experienced play-maker to control the mid-field area. But I do understand that we dont have the financial clout to go out and sign top quality players. So in the mean-time we have to accept that you only get what you pay for. This season we have tried playing with full backs and centre backs in mid-field, but they are no substitute for the real thing. For my money the priority in January has to be strengthening this problem area. It looks like being an even tougher season than last season. To give us a chance we need to get the engine-room of the team in better order.
I see the point you make & agree but at a push we have several players who could slot in assuming we have cover for their natural positions, Carson who can hold a ball up, tackle & would be able to run in from central midfield to press defences, he has exceeded my expectations by some margin lacks height though. Jarvis could also do a job for us as he can hold the ball has good vision & a bit of height . That is if you think Platt has not improved sufficiently, he looked to be in better shape & was close to Montrose in terms of performance (though I do think Montrose a bit pedestrian at times) we clearly need a couple of permanent signings to make selection easier. Without improvements the maths of a point per game look to doom us given last seasons relegation of a team on 51 points, we do seem to be the nearly team of the league able to match good teams but ending up drawing against indifferent sides still it was at least an entertaining 0-0.
[quote][p][bold]OLD - HEAD[/bold] wrote: This current City team is desperately in need of a mid-field makeover. We give the ball away far too easily, and we dont have an experienced play-maker to control the mid-field area. But I do understand that we dont have the financial clout to go out and sign top quality players. So in the mean-time we have to accept that you only get what you pay for. This season we have tried playing with full backs and centre backs in mid-field, but they are no substitute for the real thing. For my money the priority in January has to be strengthening this problem area. It looks like being an even tougher season than last season. To give us a chance we need to get the engine-room of the team in better order.[/p][/quote]I see the point you make & agree but at a push we have several players who could slot in assuming we have cover for their natural positions, Carson who can hold a ball up, tackle & would be able to run in from central midfield to press defences, he has exceeded my expectations by some margin lacks height though. Jarvis could also do a job for us as he can hold the ball has good vision & a bit of height . That is if you think Platt has not improved sufficiently, he looked to be in better shape & was close to Montrose in terms of performance (though I do think Montrose a bit pedestrian at times) we clearly need a couple of permanent signings to make selection easier. Without improvements the maths of a point per game look to doom us given last seasons relegation of a team on 51 points, we do seem to be the nearly team of the league able to match good teams but ending up drawing against indifferent sides still it was at least an entertaining 0-0. joejamestom

12:42pm Mon 2 Dec 13

alimount says...

My first game of this season on Saturday and I can see why we are struggling!
Now I have never been an Ashley Chambers fan but the poor lad had to deal with balls hoofed up to him all game, it's no wonder he never got an opportunity to do anything resembling attacking.
I thought Lowe was excellent and hands down the best player on the park.
I think the problem, as commented by a few others above, is the midfield.
There wasn't a ball threaded through the midfield all game, they were even bypassed by a long punt forward or it broke down before it could get to the forwards. I'm a big fan of Banjo but he was unusually lacklustre in his possession and he looked tired. Montrose looked very pedestrian, he did nothing, I even witnessed him shy away from a 5050 challenge in front of the dugouts; this is not what a central midfielder does.
Thought the defence was good, a surprising but good sign, the whole of the midfield was poor and the strikers chased the long balls they were fed all game. Perhaps without the late change we could have won with these tactics. Rochdale were matched all game but they were clearly the better team; getting the ball out of defence quickly by keeping possession, but saying that they missed their chances, we had to have ours saved. Point gained.
My first game of this season on Saturday and I can see why we are struggling! Now I have never been an Ashley Chambers fan but the poor lad had to deal with balls hoofed up to him all game, it's no wonder he never got an opportunity to do anything resembling attacking. I thought Lowe was excellent and hands down the best player on the park. I think the problem, as commented by a few others above, is the midfield. There wasn't a ball threaded through the midfield all game, they were even bypassed by a long punt forward or it broke down before it could get to the forwards. I'm a big fan of Banjo but he was unusually lacklustre in his possession and he looked tired. Montrose looked very pedestrian, he did nothing, I even witnessed him shy away from a 5050 challenge in front of the dugouts; this is not what a central midfielder does. Thought the defence was good, a surprising but good sign, the whole of the midfield was poor and the strikers chased the long balls they were fed all game. Perhaps without the late change we could have won with these tactics. Rochdale were matched all game but they were clearly the better team; getting the ball out of defence quickly by keeping possession, but saying that they missed their chances, we had to have ours saved. Point gained. alimount

3:05pm Mon 2 Dec 13

DavidBu says...

DavidBu wrote:
I've listened to the second half Radio York commentary today and share the frustration of those who were at BC.
I was delighted when young Brobbel came on for the final 25 mins, but, then, completely mystified when I failed to hear his name mentioned even once by Mr Parker. Having posted a comment yesterday, along with so many others, demanding that Brobbel should play, I now feel slightly uneasy.
If anyone who was at the game this afternoon is able to say how well Ryan played for 25 mins and can explain why his name was never mentioned on the radio, I'd be very grateful.
I don't get why my post has received negative comments.
Basically, I'm asking how Brobbel did after he came on. What's wrong with that?
Can anybody tell me, please?
[quote][p][bold]DavidBu[/bold] wrote: I've listened to the second half Radio York commentary today and share the frustration of those who were at BC. I was delighted when young Brobbel came on for the final 25 mins, but, then, completely mystified when I failed to hear his name mentioned even once by Mr Parker. Having posted a comment yesterday, along with so many others, demanding that Brobbel should play, I now feel slightly uneasy. If anyone who was at the game this afternoon is able to say how well Ryan played for 25 mins and can explain why his name was never mentioned on the radio, I'd be very grateful.[/p][/quote]I don't get why my post has received negative comments. Basically, I'm asking how Brobbel did after he came on. What's wrong with that? Can anybody tell me, please? DavidBu

5:23pm Mon 2 Dec 13

cambersdad says...

DavidBu wrote:
DavidBu wrote: I've listened to the second half Radio York commentary today and share the frustration of those who were at BC. I was delighted when young Brobbel came on for the final 25 mins, but, then, completely mystified when I failed to hear his name mentioned even once by Mr Parker. Having posted a comment yesterday, along with so many others, demanding that Brobbel should play, I now feel slightly uneasy. If anyone who was at the game this afternoon is able to say how well Ryan played for 25 mins and can explain why his name was never mentioned on the radio, I'd be very grateful.
I don't get why my post has received negative comments. Basically, I'm asking how Brobbel did after he came on. What's wrong with that? Can anybody tell me, please?
brobbel did well when he came on had a few decent runs and got a few crosses in, looked a little lost later on when he seemed to swap sides. i would not take to much notice of barry parkers comentaries as much as i enjoy listen to him i'm not sure they are really true to what is actually happening on the pitch and how did davies get MOM is it like primary school when they all the kids take it in turns to receive it
[quote][p][bold]DavidBu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DavidBu[/bold] wrote: I've listened to the second half Radio York commentary today and share the frustration of those who were at BC. I was delighted when young Brobbel came on for the final 25 mins, but, then, completely mystified when I failed to hear his name mentioned even once by Mr Parker. Having posted a comment yesterday, along with so many others, demanding that Brobbel should play, I now feel slightly uneasy. If anyone who was at the game this afternoon is able to say how well Ryan played for 25 mins and can explain why his name was never mentioned on the radio, I'd be very grateful.[/p][/quote]I don't get why my post has received negative comments. Basically, I'm asking how Brobbel did after he came on. What's wrong with that? Can anybody tell me, please?[/p][/quote]brobbel did well when he came on had a few decent runs and got a few crosses in, looked a little lost later on when he seemed to swap sides. i would not take to much notice of barry parkers comentaries as much as i enjoy listen to him i'm not sure they are really true to what is actually happening on the pitch and how did davies get MOM is it like primary school when they all the kids take it in turns to receive it cambersdad

9:49am Wed 4 Dec 13

DavidBu says...

cambersdad wrote:
DavidBu wrote:
DavidBu wrote: I've listened to the second half Radio York commentary today and share the frustration of those who were at BC. I was delighted when young Brobbel came on for the final 25 mins, but, then, completely mystified when I failed to hear his name mentioned even once by Mr Parker. Having posted a comment yesterday, along with so many others, demanding that Brobbel should play, I now feel slightly uneasy. If anyone who was at the game this afternoon is able to say how well Ryan played for 25 mins and can explain why his name was never mentioned on the radio, I'd be very grateful.
I don't get why my post has received negative comments. Basically, I'm asking how Brobbel did after he came on. What's wrong with that? Can anybody tell me, please?
brobbel did well when he came on had a few decent runs and got a few crosses in, looked a little lost later on when he seemed to swap sides. i would not take to much notice of barry parkers comentaries as much as i enjoy listen to him i'm not sure they are really true to what is actually happening on the pitch and how did davies get MOM is it like primary school when they all the kids take it in turns to receive it
Great. Thanks
I know what you mean. Barry P sometimes seems to get lost in his own thread and forgets about what is actually happening.
[quote][p][bold]cambersdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DavidBu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DavidBu[/bold] wrote: I've listened to the second half Radio York commentary today and share the frustration of those who were at BC. I was delighted when young Brobbel came on for the final 25 mins, but, then, completely mystified when I failed to hear his name mentioned even once by Mr Parker. Having posted a comment yesterday, along with so many others, demanding that Brobbel should play, I now feel slightly uneasy. If anyone who was at the game this afternoon is able to say how well Ryan played for 25 mins and can explain why his name was never mentioned on the radio, I'd be very grateful.[/p][/quote]I don't get why my post has received negative comments. Basically, I'm asking how Brobbel did after he came on. What's wrong with that? Can anybody tell me, please?[/p][/quote]brobbel did well when he came on had a few decent runs and got a few crosses in, looked a little lost later on when he seemed to swap sides. i would not take to much notice of barry parkers comentaries as much as i enjoy listen to him i'm not sure they are really true to what is actually happening on the pitch and how did davies get MOM is it like primary school when they all the kids take it in turns to receive it[/p][/quote]Great. Thanks I know what you mean. Barry P sometimes seems to get lost in his own thread and forgets about what is actually happening. DavidBu

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