Extra North Yorkshire mobile speed cameras on way

EXTRA mobile speed cameras will take to the roads of North Yorkshire as the county’s first police and crime commissioner backs a bid to expand the pilot operation.

Julia Mulligan has this week supported proposals to increase the number of vans patroling the region’s roads from one to three.

The pilot scheme was launched on July 1 last year, and is now due to become a fully commissioned, permanent fixture in the hope of improving road safety and reducing the number of road casualties further.

The expanded operation – which will be self-funding with the running costs paid for through levies generated by speed awareness course fees – is expected to be in place by Easter next year.

The fate of the force’s mobile safety camera van – which has seen more than 16,000 speeding motorists caught since its introduction – was the first decision Mrs Mulligan has made since being elected.

She also ordered an evaluation to be carried out to determine which elements of the speed awareness courses produce the most benefit, and that “further thought be given to the way in which North Yorkshire Police’s speed management protocol is communicated within the policing area”.

A report to the commissioner said: “The early success of the pilot safety camera van operation in relation to casualty reduction figures, and the improved quality of life in local communities, support the continued use of mobile enforcement technology.

“The effectiveness of speed cameras has been well documented and those effects have been evident across the force area for the last 12 months.

“There has been a distinct and measurable impact on vehicle speeds which can be attributed to a shift change in driver behaviour.”

The report said 36 people had died on the 6,000-mile road network in York and North Yorkshire over the last three years as a result of speeding – equating to a quarter of all road deaths.

Motorcyclist deaths were also a huge factor in the launch of a speed camera van. In 2010, 20 bikers, including two pillion passengers, died in North Yorkshire.

The number of motorcyclists who have lost their lives on the county’s roads has fallen since the introduction of a mobile speed camera last summer and with extra speed camera vans set for the region’s roads – police are hoping to drive down that figure further.

• POLICE in East Yorkshire say their priority this month will be cracking down on drink-drivers who risk the lives of others.

Sgt Pete Rogers, of the Pocklington and Wolds Weighton Neighbourhood Policing Team, said that while the message had got through to most drivers, there remained a minority who were either prepared to “risk it” or who completely ignored the law and drove under the influence of alcohol.

“As police officers, my colleagues and I have all come across these people at various times,” he said.

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10:54am Thu 6 Dec 12

Jazzper says...

Maybe they should park one up on Bishopthorpe Road ! :-)
Maybe they should park one up on Bishopthorpe Road ! :-) Jazzper
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10:55am Thu 6 Dec 12

matroom says...

Just a money maker !!! Who does this new bird think she is !!!!
Just a money maker !!! Who does this new bird think she is !!!! matroom
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11:02am Thu 6 Dec 12

again says...

If it is a money maker then it is a tax on the stupid, dangerous and inconsiderate. What's not to like?
If it is a money maker then it is a tax on the stupid, dangerous and inconsiderate. What's not to like? again
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11:07am Thu 6 Dec 12

matroom says...

again wrote:
If it is a money maker then it is a tax on the stupid, dangerous and inconsiderate. What's not to like?
Holier than though do gooder alert !!! Here we go, the cordrouy wearers are here !!! Should be fun !!!
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: If it is a money maker then it is a tax on the stupid, dangerous and inconsiderate. What's not to like?[/p][/quote]Holier than though do gooder alert !!! Here we go, the cordrouy wearers are here !!! Should be fun !!! matroom
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11:12am Thu 6 Dec 12

matroom says...

Heres one for you, mr and mrs smith, coming home from scarborough at 9 oclock on a summers night, no one else on the road, mr smith hits the a64 and does 80 mph, BANG, speed camera gets him, 3 points and a fine. Ridicolous !!!!!!
Heres one for you, mr and mrs smith, coming home from scarborough at 9 oclock on a summers night, no one else on the road, mr smith hits the a64 and does 80 mph, BANG, speed camera gets him, 3 points and a fine. Ridicolous !!!!!! matroom
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11:13am Thu 6 Dec 12

twotonethomas says...

again wrote:
If it is a money maker then it is a tax on the stupid, dangerous and inconsiderate. What's not to like?
Spot on mate.

If it's simply a money making racket then at least it's a voluntary money making racket, which is far better than a direct tax :)
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: If it is a money maker then it is a tax on the stupid, dangerous and inconsiderate. What's not to like?[/p][/quote]Spot on mate. If it's simply a money making racket then at least it's a voluntary money making racket, which is far better than a direct tax :) twotonethomas
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11:24am Thu 6 Dec 12

3.8liter says...

I got nicked in Green Lane Acomb by one of these a month ago and am going on the course which costs me £93.
There is a website run by North Yorkshire police which tells you where they will be.
Watch out for a sign written, Transit type van, with a camera stuck out of its' back window.
You are supposed to be able to see it, but Christ knows where it was hiding when I passed it doing 35mph!
I got nicked in Green Lane Acomb by one of these a month ago and am going on the course which costs me £93. There is a website run by North Yorkshire police which tells you where they will be. Watch out for a sign written, Transit type van, with a camera stuck out of its' back window. You are supposed to be able to see it, but Christ knows where it was hiding when I passed it doing 35mph! 3.8liter
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11:34am Thu 6 Dec 12

matroom says...

3.8liter wrote:
I got nicked in Green Lane Acomb by one of these a month ago and am going on the course which costs me £93.
There is a website run by North Yorkshire police which tells you where they will be.
Watch out for a sign written, Transit type van, with a camera stuck out of its' back window.
You are supposed to be able to see it, but Christ knows where it was hiding when I passed it doing 35mph!
35 mph !!! Its so easy to do 35 mph. Bloody nazi's !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]3.8liter[/bold] wrote: I got nicked in Green Lane Acomb by one of these a month ago and am going on the course which costs me £93. There is a website run by North Yorkshire police which tells you where they will be. Watch out for a sign written, Transit type van, with a camera stuck out of its' back window. You are supposed to be able to see it, but Christ knows where it was hiding when I passed it doing 35mph![/p][/quote]35 mph !!! Its so easy to do 35 mph. Bloody nazi's !!!!! matroom
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11:41am Thu 6 Dec 12

bob the builder says...

3.8liter wrote:
I got nicked in Green Lane Acomb by one of these a month ago and am going on the course which costs me £93.
There is a website run by North Yorkshire police which tells you where they will be.
Watch out for a sign written, Transit type van, with a camera stuck out of its' back window.
You are supposed to be able to see it, but Christ knows where it was hiding when I passed it doing 35mph!
You're not supposed to see it, it is a silver semi high Ford Transit that appears to be a camper van at a glance. The favourite position is in a layby but half parked on the verge just after a slight bend to obscure it further. I have observed it many times on the A64 between York and the A1, either carriageway always on a Tuesday, and never after 3pm.
[quote][p][bold]3.8liter[/bold] wrote: I got nicked in Green Lane Acomb by one of these a month ago and am going on the course which costs me £93. There is a website run by North Yorkshire police which tells you where they will be. Watch out for a sign written, Transit type van, with a camera stuck out of its' back window. You are supposed to be able to see it, but Christ knows where it was hiding when I passed it doing 35mph![/p][/quote]You're not supposed to see it, it is a silver semi high Ford Transit that appears to be a camper van at a glance. The favourite position is in a layby but half parked on the verge just after a slight bend to obscure it further. I have observed it many times on the A64 between York and the A1, either carriageway always on a Tuesday, and never after 3pm. bob the builder
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11:42am Thu 6 Dec 12

particleman says...

Just as easy to do 30 mph. More time to look for the van as well lol.
Just as easy to do 30 mph. More time to look for the van as well lol. particleman
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11:42am Thu 6 Dec 12

Kevin Turvey says...

If that is all that Julia Mulligan can up with for ideas for reducing crime then heaven help us!

‘The number of motorcyclists who have lost their lives on the county’s roads has fallen since the introduction of a mobile speed camera last summer and with extra speed camera vans set for the region’s roads – police are hoping to drive down that figure further. ‘

It’s not about speed per say that is the safety problem on our roads it’s the inappropriate use of speed that is the problem and driver competence/training!


A fine example of that is the police motorcyclist who crashed yesterday!
Obviously he was going too fast for the conditions because he lost control on either wet leaves or ice according to the police. The fact that he was acting as an outrider for the royal visit does not change the road conditions at the time!

Surely an assessment would have been required for the road conditions and the vehicular makeup of the convoy?

I went to and from work on mine yesterday with no incident, there again I was riding within the conditions and my competence.
For the police to state that the police motorcyclist is very experienced because he has more than 5 years’ experience is a joke. I have over 30 years motorcycling experience of riding on the road and off road competion (the road is much more dangerous as due to the other idiots on the road factor!), yet It was not me lying on the tarmac yesterday.
Also insurance companies think more like 10 years before they consider you experienced and less of a risk on higher power machines.
Nothing like a clear joined up message from the so called authorities is there?

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/10089817
.Police_motorbike_cr
ashes_in_York/
If that is all that Julia Mulligan can up with for ideas for reducing crime then heaven help us! ‘The number of motorcyclists who have lost their lives on the county’s roads has fallen since the introduction of a mobile speed camera last summer and with extra speed camera vans set for the region’s roads – police are hoping to drive down that figure further. ‘ It’s not about speed per say that is the safety problem on our roads it’s the inappropriate use of speed that is the problem and driver competence/training! A fine example of that is the police motorcyclist who crashed yesterday! Obviously he was going too fast for the conditions because he lost control on either wet leaves or ice according to the police. The fact that he was acting as an outrider for the royal visit does not change the road conditions at the time! Surely an assessment would have been required for the road conditions and the vehicular makeup of the convoy? I went to and from work on mine yesterday with no incident, there again I was riding within the conditions and my competence. For the police to state that the police motorcyclist is very experienced because he has more than 5 years’ experience is a joke. I have over 30 years motorcycling experience of riding on the road and off road competion (the road is much more dangerous as due to the other idiots on the road factor!), yet It was not me lying on the tarmac yesterday. Also insurance companies think more like 10 years before they consider you experienced and less of a risk on higher power machines. Nothing like a clear joined up message from the so called authorities is there? http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/10089817 .Police_motorbike_cr ashes_in_York/ Kevin Turvey
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11:57am Thu 6 Dec 12

matroom says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
If that is all that Julia Mulligan can up with for ideas for reducing crime then heaven help us!

‘The number of motorcyclists who have lost their lives on the county’s roads has fallen since the introduction of a mobile speed camera last summer and with extra speed camera vans set for the region’s roads – police are hoping to drive down that figure further. ‘

It’s not about speed per say that is the safety problem on our roads it’s the inappropriate use of speed that is the problem and driver competence/training!



A fine example of that is the police motorcyclist who crashed yesterday!
Obviously he was going too fast for the conditions because he lost control on either wet leaves or ice according to the police. The fact that he was acting as an outrider for the royal visit does not change the road conditions at the time!

Surely an assessment would have been required for the road conditions and the vehicular makeup of the convoy?

I went to and from work on mine yesterday with no incident, there again I was riding within the conditions and my competence.
For the police to state that the police motorcyclist is very experienced because he has more than 5 years’ experience is a joke. I have over 30 years motorcycling experience of riding on the road and off road competion (the road is much more dangerous as due to the other idiots on the road factor!), yet It was not me lying on the tarmac yesterday.
Also insurance companies think more like 10 years before they consider you experienced and less of a risk on higher power machines.
Nothing like a clear joined up message from the so called authorities is there?

http://www.yorkpress

.co.uk/news/10089817

.Police_motorbike_cr

ashes_in_York/
At last, someone who speaks sense !!!
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: If that is all that Julia Mulligan can up with for ideas for reducing crime then heaven help us! ‘The number of motorcyclists who have lost their lives on the county’s roads has fallen since the introduction of a mobile speed camera last summer and with extra speed camera vans set for the region’s roads – police are hoping to drive down that figure further. ‘ It’s not about speed per say that is the safety problem on our roads it’s the inappropriate use of speed that is the problem and driver competence/training! A fine example of that is the police motorcyclist who crashed yesterday! Obviously he was going too fast for the conditions because he lost control on either wet leaves or ice according to the police. The fact that he was acting as an outrider for the royal visit does not change the road conditions at the time! Surely an assessment would have been required for the road conditions and the vehicular makeup of the convoy? I went to and from work on mine yesterday with no incident, there again I was riding within the conditions and my competence. For the police to state that the police motorcyclist is very experienced because he has more than 5 years’ experience is a joke. I have over 30 years motorcycling experience of riding on the road and off road competion (the road is much more dangerous as due to the other idiots on the road factor!), yet It was not me lying on the tarmac yesterday. Also insurance companies think more like 10 years before they consider you experienced and less of a risk on higher power machines. Nothing like a clear joined up message from the so called authorities is there? http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/10089817 .Police_motorbike_cr ashes_in_York/[/p][/quote]At last, someone who speaks sense !!! matroom
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12:02pm Thu 6 Dec 12

twotonethomas says...

particleman wrote:
Just as easy to do 30 mph. More time to look for the van as well lol.
And also cheaper and legal :)
[quote][p][bold]particleman[/bold] wrote: Just as easy to do 30 mph. More time to look for the van as well lol.[/p][/quote]And also cheaper and legal :) twotonethomas
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12:02pm Thu 6 Dec 12

scooterboy says...

wetherby road coming out and into acomb, needs chicanes to slow them down, i know some one who got caught doing 34mph shes the safeist driver ive ever met yet got collered coming down a hill, now come on, give and take,
wetherby road coming out and into acomb, needs chicanes to slow them down, i know some one who got caught doing 34mph shes the safeist driver ive ever met yet got collered coming down a hill, now come on, give and take, scooterboy
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12:19pm Thu 6 Dec 12

matroom says...

scooterboy wrote:
wetherby road coming out and into acomb, needs chicanes to slow them down, i know some one who got caught doing 34mph shes the safeist driver ive ever met yet got collered coming down a hill, now come on, give and take,
My point exactly.
[quote][p][bold]scooterboy[/bold] wrote: wetherby road coming out and into acomb, needs chicanes to slow them down, i know some one who got caught doing 34mph shes the safeist driver ive ever met yet got collered coming down a hill, now come on, give and take,[/p][/quote]My point exactly. matroom
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12:20pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Tom6187 says...

Don't speed and you won't get a fine, I'm glad they're getting more of these on the roads, hopefully it'll slow down all the BMW and Audi numpties who think they have a divine right to drive dangerously and anti socially, there will always be a danger of one of these vans being around the corner. The next step is to get these tools to use their indicators.
Don't speed and you won't get a fine, I'm glad they're getting more of these on the roads, hopefully it'll slow down all the BMW and Audi numpties who think they have a divine right to drive dangerously and anti socially, there will always be a danger of one of these vans being around the corner. The next step is to get these tools to use their indicators. Tom6187
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12:26pm Thu 6 Dec 12

twotonethomas says...

scooterboy wrote:
wetherby road coming out and into acomb, needs chicanes to slow them down, i know some one who got caught doing 34mph shes the safeist driver ive ever met yet got collered coming down a hill, now come on, give and take,
And if she'd been doing 34 in a 30 zone when she knocked you off your scooter, your insurance firm would have instantly used it against her.

Would you have told your insurance company not to be so intolerant?
[quote][p][bold]scooterboy[/bold] wrote: wetherby road coming out and into acomb, needs chicanes to slow them down, i know some one who got caught doing 34mph shes the safeist driver ive ever met yet got collered coming down a hill, now come on, give and take,[/p][/quote]And if she'd been doing 34 in a 30 zone when she knocked you off your scooter, your insurance firm would have instantly used it against her. Would you have told your insurance company not to be so intolerant? twotonethomas
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12:28pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Night Moves says...

Since speeding fines went to the government, speed awareness courses are the only way of raising money for these operations so the temptation to offer one and charge £93 at lower and lower speeds becomes greater. There are recent instances of Warwickshire and Thames Valley using them at speeds of 31mph! Now it is of course correct that speeding is an absolute offence, there is normally some leeway given but legally anything over 30 in a 30 is an offence. The problem is that this bring the whole situation into disrepute and all respect goes out the window.

In respect of comments above, no speed camera whether in a van or police by the side of the road needs to give any advance warning or be marked in any way, this is a fallacy and is no defence if you are caught. also, when you see the van/camera it has already seen you some time before so you probably have already been caught if speeding if that's what you are doing.

Finally, unlike some above, I am not a do-gooder, I've been on a course, it was very interesting and has probably changed some of my habits particularly leaving more space to the car in front but I'm also one of the many who are still likely to get caught just over the limit because the tolerances are so fine. I would also like that van to stop sitting at Tadcaster where it is easy to catch people and move up the road to Bilbrough Top where all the accidents happen.
Since speeding fines went to the government, speed awareness courses are the only way of raising money for these operations so the temptation to offer one and charge £93 at lower and lower speeds becomes greater. There are recent instances of Warwickshire and Thames Valley using them at speeds of 31mph! Now it is of course correct that speeding is an absolute offence, there is normally some leeway given but legally anything over 30 in a 30 is an offence. The problem is that this bring the whole situation into disrepute and all respect goes out the window. In respect of comments above, no speed camera whether in a van or police by the side of the road needs to give any advance warning or be marked in any way, this is a fallacy and is no defence if you are caught. also, when you see the van/camera it has already seen you some time before so you probably have already been caught if speeding if that's what you are doing. Finally, unlike some above, I am not a do-gooder, I've been on a course, it was very interesting and has probably changed some of my habits particularly leaving more space to the car in front but I'm also one of the many who are still likely to get caught just over the limit because the tolerances are so fine. I would also like that van to stop sitting at Tadcaster where it is easy to catch people and move up the road to Bilbrough Top where all the accidents happen. Night Moves
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12:40pm Thu 6 Dec 12

roskoboskovic says...

funny how money can be found and man hours used when the exercise will generate extra cash,is the remit of the new commissioner to get as much money into the coffers by fleecing motorists.
funny how money can be found and man hours used when the exercise will generate extra cash,is the remit of the new commissioner to get as much money into the coffers by fleecing motorists. roskoboskovic
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12:41pm Thu 6 Dec 12

yorkshirelad says...

The paranoid 'revenue' brigade come out screaming as usual, but the law is quite clear. In fact I know very few other laws that announce their enforcement in advance, and often dress up in bright yellow to help you see them.

For me, I support speed enforcement. My children walk and cycle around York and the small inhibition of my driving to help the safety of others is more than worth it.

I do have some sympathy with people caught 'just' over the limit. But generally, in my experience people who have strident views on the issue tend to speed significantly.

In our county, mobile vans make much more sense than fixed cameras. I hope they are widely used - I wonder if they'll be used on York's main roads on Friday and Saturday nights? Race(track) nights might net a few!

As a cynic about the Police Commissioner role, I am quite pleased she has listened to the majority of the public and also to the Police here. Our safety comes first.
The paranoid 'revenue' brigade come out screaming as usual, but the law is quite clear. In fact I know very few other laws that announce their enforcement in advance, and often dress up in bright yellow to help you see them. For me, I support speed enforcement. My children walk and cycle around York and the small inhibition of my driving to help the safety of others is more than worth it. I do have some sympathy with people caught 'just' over the limit. But generally, in my experience people who have strident views on the issue tend to speed significantly. In our county, mobile vans make much more sense than fixed cameras. I hope they are widely used - I wonder if they'll be used on York's main roads on Friday and Saturday nights? Race(track) nights might net a few! As a cynic about the Police Commissioner role, I am quite pleased she has listened to the majority of the public and also to the Police here. Our safety comes first. yorkshirelad
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12:53pm Thu 6 Dec 12

fuzzfelt says...

If they were really interested in safety then the police should spend more time patrolling within the city during the morning and afternoon rush hour.


I see countless examples of poor and unsafe driving. Just this morning, I followed a driver who had scraped a small letter box shaped hole through the ice on their windscreen before pulling onto Hull Road. I happened to follow them further and observed them bouncing off the curbs and driving well above the speed limit despite having no visibility. For as long as this driver doesn't stray outside of York ring-road, they will never be caught.
If they were really interested in safety then the police should spend more time patrolling within the city during the morning and afternoon rush hour. I see countless examples of poor and unsafe driving. Just this morning, I followed a driver who had scraped a small letter box shaped hole through the ice on their windscreen before pulling onto Hull Road. I happened to follow them further and observed them bouncing off the curbs and driving well above the speed limit despite having no visibility. For as long as this driver doesn't stray outside of York ring-road, they will never be caught. fuzzfelt
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12:56pm Thu 6 Dec 12

hydroman says...

yorkshirelad, just how, pray, do you know that the majority of public want more cameras? Is this a different majority from those who want higher speed limits on motorways? How do you know that people who have strident views tend to speed significantly? Maybe you are just making it up as you go along.
yorkshirelad, just how, pray, do you know that the majority of public want more cameras? Is this a different majority from those who want higher speed limits on motorways? How do you know that people who have strident views tend to speed significantly? Maybe you are just making it up as you go along. hydroman
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1:21pm Thu 6 Dec 12

getlied2 says...

this is with out a doubt pur tax collecting! i was sent to speed awrenes course for doing an entire 74mph on the dual carriageway at malton!! its tanatamount to stealing!! as a motorist and biker i pay my dues. is this country we get fleeced for every penny! road tax, fuel tax, income tax, council tax, value added tax! everything is taxed then taxed again to the point where the contributors who work cant afford to live but "real" criminals get 3 squares a day and no TAX because WE pay for them!!! this stupid woman who got voted in by the tiny minority needs to focus the real issues! flood defence, schools, housing and not doing a dick turpin on the verp people who pay her!!!!
this is with out a doubt pur tax collecting! i was sent to speed awrenes course for doing an entire 74mph on the dual carriageway at malton!! its tanatamount to stealing!! as a motorist and biker i pay my dues. is this country we get fleeced for every penny! road tax, fuel tax, income tax, council tax, value added tax! everything is taxed then taxed again to the point where the contributors who work cant afford to live but "real" criminals get 3 squares a day and no TAX because WE pay for them!!! this stupid woman who got voted in by the tiny minority needs to focus the real issues! flood defence, schools, housing and not doing a dick turpin on the verp people who pay her!!!! getlied2
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1:24pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Omega Point says...

matroom wrote:
Just a money maker !!! Who does this new bird think she is !!!!
A sexist troll, good on yer mate, say what you think and what you are able to
[quote][p][bold]matroom[/bold] wrote: Just a money maker !!! Who does this new bird think she is !!!![/p][/quote]A sexist troll, good on yer mate, say what you think and what you are able to Omega Point
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1:28pm Thu 6 Dec 12

twotonethomas says...

getlied2 wrote:
this is with out a doubt pur tax collecting! i was sent to speed awrenes course for doing an entire 74mph on the dual carriageway at malton!! its tanatamount to stealing!! as a motorist and biker i pay my dues. is this country we get fleeced for every penny! road tax, fuel tax, income tax, council tax, value added tax! everything is taxed then taxed again to the point where the contributors who work cant afford to live but "real" criminals get 3 squares a day and no TAX because WE pay for them!!! this stupid woman who got voted in by the tiny minority needs to focus the real issues! flood defence, schools, housing and not doing a dick turpin on the verp people who pay her!!!!
' It's tantamount to stealing'

Except of course stealing, like speeding, is illegal.
[quote][p][bold]getlied2[/bold] wrote: this is with out a doubt pur tax collecting! i was sent to speed awrenes course for doing an entire 74mph on the dual carriageway at malton!! its tanatamount to stealing!! as a motorist and biker i pay my dues. is this country we get fleeced for every penny! road tax, fuel tax, income tax, council tax, value added tax! everything is taxed then taxed again to the point where the contributors who work cant afford to live but "real" criminals get 3 squares a day and no TAX because WE pay for them!!! this stupid woman who got voted in by the tiny minority needs to focus the real issues! flood defence, schools, housing and not doing a dick turpin on the verp people who pay her!!!![/p][/quote]' It's tantamount to stealing' Except of course stealing, like speeding, is illegal. twotonethomas
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1:47pm Thu 6 Dec 12

hydroman says...

yes, getlied2, like your earlier comment, a bit of a hitler, I would say. As Tolkein told me when he taught me latin, rules are made to be broken. Thank god we broke a few in the second world war.
yes, getlied2, like your earlier comment, a bit of a hitler, I would say. As Tolkein told me when he taught me latin, rules are made to be broken. Thank god we broke a few in the second world war. hydroman
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1:48pm Thu 6 Dec 12

getlied2 says...

yes but as it's well documented that the "Law is as ****" as are most people who hide behind it. and i spose your one of those that thinks being able to exercise to right to free choice is over rated and loves being a mindless drone! im sick of the puritanical and beurocratic minds that seem to think that as adults we shouldnt have any decision making powers. any other thoughts or rights the people wanna give you while your at it?
yes but as it's well documented that the "Law is as ****" as are most people who hide behind it. and i spose your one of those that thinks being able to exercise to right to free choice is over rated and loves being a mindless drone! im sick of the puritanical and beurocratic minds that seem to think that as adults we shouldnt have any decision making powers. any other thoughts or rights the people wanna give you while your at it? getlied2
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1:52pm Thu 6 Dec 12

asd says...

What happens when I do 30 mph according to my speedo and get done for 33 mph. It seems some people forget that speedo's are not accurate and the authorities know this. I got a fine for my side windows being tinted. This was bought like this, he put a meter and said its wrong. I said how the hell am I supopse to know if its letting micro particles of uv through, its not even part of MOT. Untill authorities make M.O.T's include accurate speedo and tinted windows measurement then it can be accussed as a cash cow.
What happens when I do 30 mph according to my speedo and get done for 33 mph. It seems some people forget that speedo's are not accurate and the authorities know this. I got a fine for my side windows being tinted. This was bought like this, he put a meter and said its wrong. I said how the hell am I supopse to know if its letting micro particles of uv through, its not even part of MOT. Untill authorities make M.O.T's include accurate speedo and tinted windows measurement then it can be accussed as a cash cow. asd
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1:52pm Thu 6 Dec 12

bishboy says...

So basically you can use your phone or sent texts while you're driving BUT just dont speed while you're doing it !!
So basically you can use your phone or sent texts while you're driving BUT just dont speed while you're doing it !! bishboy
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1:54pm Thu 6 Dec 12

YorkPatrol says...

The point is that the money would be better spent elsewhere whether doing 35mph in a 30 zone is illegal or not ..


I do hope however that the speed camera's also capture the goons doing well under the speed limit causing way more problems that the "speeders"
The point is that the money would be better spent elsewhere whether doing 35mph in a 30 zone is illegal or not .. I do hope however that the speed camera's also capture the goons doing well under the speed limit causing way more problems that the "speeders" YorkPatrol
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2:01pm Thu 6 Dec 12

twotonethomas says...

getlied2 wrote:
yes but as it's well documented that the "Law is as ****" as are most people who hide behind it. and i spose your one of those that thinks being able to exercise to right to free choice is over rated and loves being a mindless drone! im sick of the puritanical and beurocratic minds that seem to think that as adults we shouldnt have any decision making powers. any other thoughts or rights the people wanna give you while your at it?
I don't know if this unintelligible diatribe is aimed at me, but I'll assume that it is.

I think that everyone should be able to exercise the right to free choice, so long as that free choice doesn't risk harming others.

I support gay marriage, I have no problem with people of other creeds or colours and I even believe that people should be allowed to risk there own lives by acting like an idiot.

But when someone wants to act like an idiot in a way that is illegal and can lead to an innocent person being killed, then they should accept the consequences.
[quote][p][bold]getlied2[/bold] wrote: yes but as it's well documented that the "Law is as ****" as are most people who hide behind it. and i spose your one of those that thinks being able to exercise to right to free choice is over rated and loves being a mindless drone! im sick of the puritanical and beurocratic minds that seem to think that as adults we shouldnt have any decision making powers. any other thoughts or rights the people wanna give you while your at it?[/p][/quote]I don't know if this unintelligible diatribe is aimed at me, but I'll assume that it is. I think that everyone should be able to exercise the right to free choice, so long as that free choice doesn't risk harming others. I support gay marriage, I have no problem with people of other creeds or colours and I even believe that people should be allowed to risk there own lives by acting like an idiot. But when someone wants to act like an idiot in a way that is illegal and can lead to an innocent person being killed, then they should accept the consequences. twotonethomas
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2:03pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Podlet says...

But will they do anything about the dangerous drivers who only ever max about 60% of the limit? 20 in a 30, 40 in a 60, etc.

They're much more scarey to me as I am used to cars jumping out, not hanging back.

And did anyone mention the road rage frustration of being behind them?
But will they do anything about the dangerous drivers who only ever max about 60% of the limit? 20 in a 30, 40 in a 60, etc. They're much more scarey to me as I am used to cars jumping out, not hanging back. And did anyone mention the road rage frustration of being behind them? Podlet
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2:04pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Steve, says...

Kevin Turvey is spot on.

Yorkshirelad if you believe that, you're an idiot - they don't dress in yellow and if yo're read properly you'd know they use a subtle silver camper van parked at the roadside.

I was sure I'd been caught twice in June in a works van, on roads that were otherwise empty so I was driving to the conditions only to glance the van as I passed it and noticed I was I was slightly over the limit - I spent more time slamming the brakes on 'to be sure' than was safe to take my eyes off the road.

What use is a 'safety camera van' that makes drivers do that?? I wasn't speeding per se at 5mph over the limit, the road was empty and it was sunny exiting a quite village near strensall.. there's been no noted accidents there in over 5/6 years.

Also:
"The report said 36 people had died on the 6,000-mile road network in York and North Yorkshire over the last three years as a result of speeding – equating to a quarter of all road deaths.

Motorcyclist deaths were also a huge factor in the launch of a speed camera van. In 2010, 20 bikers, including two pillion passengers, died in North Yorkshire.

The number of motorcyclists who have lost their lives on the county’s roads has fallen since the introduction of a mobile speed camera last summer and with extra speed camera vans set for the region’s roads – police are hoping to drive down that figure further." - that's 36 people in 1 county in 3, THREE years, more people die of heart attacks!! As for the biker comments, being one myself I can say the reduction is nothing to do with scamera vans, it's riders being more sensible and cautious not getting killed that's reducing the numbers.

What's wrong with money being spent on actual traffic cops which would create jobs and let drivers be educated rather than fined? also this course scheme is a joke, it doesn't teach bad drivers to behave its more like sticking finger up at the points system while the law rape you for another £100.

Get real plod kitted up, and sack off this sorry excuse of 'policing'.
Kevin Turvey is spot on. Yorkshirelad if you believe that, you're an idiot - they don't dress in yellow and if yo're read properly you'd know they use a subtle silver camper van parked at the roadside. I was sure I'd been caught twice in June in a works van, on roads that were otherwise empty so I was driving to the conditions only to glance the van as I passed it and noticed I was I was slightly over the limit - I spent more time slamming the brakes on 'to be sure' than was safe to take my eyes off the road. What use is a 'safety camera van' that makes drivers do that?? I wasn't speeding per se at 5mph over the limit, the road was empty and it was sunny exiting a quite village near strensall.. there's been no noted accidents there in over 5/6 years. Also: "The report said 36 people had died on the 6,000-mile road network in York and North Yorkshire over the last three years as a result of speeding – equating to a quarter of all road deaths. Motorcyclist deaths were also a huge factor in the launch of a speed camera van. In 2010, 20 bikers, including two pillion passengers, died in North Yorkshire. The number of motorcyclists who have lost their lives on the county’s roads has fallen since the introduction of a mobile speed camera last summer and with extra speed camera vans set for the region’s roads – police are hoping to drive down that figure further." - that's 36 people in 1 county in 3, THREE years, more people die of heart attacks!! As for the biker comments, being one myself I can say the reduction is nothing to do with scamera vans, it's riders being more sensible and cautious not getting killed that's reducing the numbers. What's wrong with money being spent on actual traffic cops which would create jobs and let drivers be educated rather than fined? also this course scheme is a joke, it doesn't teach bad drivers to behave its more like sticking finger up at the points system while the law rape you for another £100. Get real plod kitted up, and sack off this sorry excuse of 'policing'. Steve,
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2:09pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Steve, says...

Agree about the Police biker too, 5 years being 'highly trained and experienced' is a disgusting statement in reflection of his lack of ability to control the machine.

I've ridden through 3 winters on a twitchy 125 2stroke sportsbike and not come off, how did he manage it on a damp road?!

Also don't reckon he has a permit for parking it there...
Agree about the Police biker too, 5 years being 'highly trained and experienced' is a disgusting statement in reflection of his lack of ability to control the machine. I've ridden through 3 winters on a twitchy 125 2stroke sportsbike and not come off, how did he manage it on a damp road?! Also don't reckon he has a permit for parking it there... Steve,
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2:12pm Thu 6 Dec 12

fuzzfelt says...

Tom6187 wrote:
Don't speed and you won't get a fine, I'm glad they're getting more of these on the roads, hopefully it'll slow down all the BMW and Audi numpties who think they have a divine right to drive dangerously and anti socially, there will always be a danger of one of these vans being around the corner. The next step is to get these tools to use their indicators.
Tom6187, it's no surprise to see you bring up your usual unfounded BMW/Audi rant. I've seen it so often that I wonder if you're a closet BMW lover.
Perhaps, your attitude is self-fulfilling as you automatically turn aggressive on the assumption that they're a bad driver which in turn results in retaliation.

In my experience, poor driving behaviour (lack of indicator use, for example) is exhibited across the car brand spectrum and is not isolated to a certain demographic but there's an argument that a newish BMW/Audi is more likely to be fully insured, taxed, roadworthy, have an MOT where applicable and the driver has a valid driving license.
[quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: Don't speed and you won't get a fine, I'm glad they're getting more of these on the roads, hopefully it'll slow down all the BMW and Audi numpties who think they have a divine right to drive dangerously and anti socially, there will always be a danger of one of these vans being around the corner. The next step is to get these tools to use their indicators.[/p][/quote]Tom6187, it's no surprise to see you bring up your usual unfounded BMW/Audi rant. I've seen it so often that I wonder if you're a closet BMW lover. Perhaps, your attitude is self-fulfilling as you automatically turn aggressive on the assumption that they're a bad driver which in turn results in retaliation. In my experience, poor driving behaviour (lack of indicator use, for example) is exhibited across the car brand spectrum and is not isolated to a certain demographic but there's an argument that a newish BMW/Audi is more likely to be fully insured, taxed, roadworthy, have an MOT where applicable and the driver has a valid driving license. fuzzfelt
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2:16pm Thu 6 Dec 12

bolero says...

Why is Julia Mulligan -`this bird`-being afforded all the credit for this project? Those who can read and understand will have seen that the report says that she is giving it her support. It does not say that she is in the initiative. This says a lot because it means that she is obviously going to wrongly claim the credit for each and every measure that is brought in by NY police authority. It would be interesting to know what particular schemes Mrs Mulligan has in mind and that she can honestly claim credit for. We shall watch with interest
Why is Julia Mulligan -`this bird`-being afforded all the credit for this project? Those who can read and understand will have seen that the report says that she is giving it her support. It does not say that she is in the initiative. This says a lot because it means that she is obviously going to wrongly claim the credit for each and every measure that is brought in by NY police authority. It would be interesting to know what particular schemes Mrs Mulligan has in mind and that she can honestly claim credit for. We shall watch with interest bolero
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2:25pm Thu 6 Dec 12

hydroman says...

Getlied
Can you translate your last posting into English so that we may all benefit from your contribution?
Getlied Can you translate your last posting into English so that we may all benefit from your contribution? hydroman
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2:31pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Jazzper says...

Tom6187 wrote:
Don't speed and you won't get a fine, I'm glad they're getting more of these on the roads, hopefully it'll slow down all the BMW and Audi numpties who think they have a divine right to drive dangerously and anti socially, there will always be a danger of one of these vans being around the corner. The next step is to get these tools to use their indicators.
A gentleman across the road from me drives a brand new Audi, he is 85yrs and has told me he never goes above 30mph on any road !
[quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: Don't speed and you won't get a fine, I'm glad they're getting more of these on the roads, hopefully it'll slow down all the BMW and Audi numpties who think they have a divine right to drive dangerously and anti socially, there will always be a danger of one of these vans being around the corner. The next step is to get these tools to use their indicators.[/p][/quote]A gentleman across the road from me drives a brand new Audi, he is 85yrs and has told me he never goes above 30mph on any road ! Jazzper
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2:47pm Thu 6 Dec 12

bob the builder says...

...or...invest in a detection system, my£149.99 is money well spent. Rather than putting it in the pockets of insurers, HM Treasury, and reducng the police overtime bill. I wonder if the press would under the superbly useful Freedom Of Information Act obtain and publish the figures of how many North Yorkshire police officers have been caught speeding, drink driving, and kept their jobs.
...or...invest in a detection system, my£149.99 is money well spent. Rather than putting it in the pockets of insurers, HM Treasury, and reducng the police overtime bill. I wonder if the press would under the superbly useful Freedom Of Information Act obtain and publish the figures of how many North Yorkshire police officers have been caught speeding, drink driving, and kept their jobs. bob the builder
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2:49pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Sillybillies says...

getlied2 says...
1:21pm Thu 6 Dec 1
..... this stupid woman who got voted in by the tiny minority needs to focus the real issues! flood defence, schools, housing and not doing a dick turpin on the verp people who pay her!!!!

Must be one hell of a job if the PCC is also responsible for flood defence, schools and housing!
[quote]getlied2 says... 1:21pm Thu 6 Dec 1 ..... this stupid woman who got voted in by the tiny minority needs to focus the real issues! flood defence, schools, housing and not doing a dick turpin on the verp people who pay her!!!![/quote] Must be one hell of a job if the PCC is also responsible for flood defence, schools and housing! Sillybillies
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3:14pm Thu 6 Dec 12

hydroman says...

How on earth did we ever manage all those years in Yorkshire without the bloody speed cameras?
How on earth did we ever manage all those years in Yorkshire without the bloody speed cameras? hydroman
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3:22pm Thu 6 Dec 12

johnwill says...

No-one SHOULD receive a NIP ( a notice of intended prosecution ) unless they were caught driving in excess of 10% or sometimes 10% + 2 mph, of the speed limit, this accounts for the accuracy of their equipment not your speedo, their equipment is not 100% accurate and also adds in some operator error, this is the national guidline which would be accepted in court. They must also hold evidence of your speed and send the NIP within 14 days.
No-one SHOULD receive a NIP ( a notice of intended prosecution ) unless they were caught driving in excess of 10% or sometimes 10% + 2 mph, of the speed limit, this accounts for the accuracy of their equipment not your speedo, their equipment is not 100% accurate and also adds in some operator error, this is the national guidline which would be accepted in court. They must also hold evidence of your speed and send the NIP within 14 days. johnwill
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4:14pm Thu 6 Dec 12

yorkshirelad says...

hydroman wrote:
yorkshirelad, just how, pray, do you know that the majority of public want more cameras? Is this a different majority from those who want higher speed limits on motorways? How do you know that people who have strident views tend to speed significantly? Maybe you are just making it up as you go along.
Surveys of support for speed cameras consistently show majority public support. Many websites will reference this - try the RAC foundation or ROSPA for example.

The strident views and speeding is a view based on personal experience...but hey, I'm not daft!

Look at the views expressed above... I would guess that those who shout the loudest about speed enforcement are those who are actually breaking the limits most often and most severely. Not rocket science!
[quote][p][bold]hydroman[/bold] wrote: yorkshirelad, just how, pray, do you know that the majority of public want more cameras? Is this a different majority from those who want higher speed limits on motorways? How do you know that people who have strident views tend to speed significantly? Maybe you are just making it up as you go along.[/p][/quote]Surveys of support for speed cameras consistently show majority public support. Many websites will reference this - try the RAC foundation or ROSPA for example. The strident views and speeding is a view based on personal experience...but hey, I'm not daft! Look at the views expressed above... I would guess that those who shout the loudest about speed enforcement are those who are actually breaking the limits most often and most severely. Not rocket science! yorkshirelad
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4:38pm Thu 6 Dec 12

fezpop2 says...

Great, going to have to spend more time looking at my speedo than concentrate with whats happening on the road.

I don't see a problem with going over the speedlimit if you are in full control of your car.

You should drive to the road conditions not the speed limit, there are plenty of NSL roads where 60mph is too fast but is still legal?!

Tom6187, i bet your one of those people that blasts their horn and puts there full beams on when somebody overtakes you! Grow up! oh... and i love my audi ;)
Great, going to have to spend more time looking at my speedo than concentrate with whats happening on the road. I don't see a problem with going over the speedlimit if you are in full control of your car. You should drive to the road conditions not the speed limit, there are plenty of NSL roads where 60mph is too fast but is still legal?! Tom6187, i bet your one of those people that blasts their horn and puts there full beams on when somebody overtakes you! Grow up! oh... and i love my audi ;) fezpop2
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4:41pm Thu 6 Dec 12

bolero says...

I was caught doing 33mph in a 30mph limit zone and fined appropriately. Tough! I broke the law.
I was caught doing 33mph in a 30mph limit zone and fined appropriately. Tough! I broke the law. bolero
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4:58pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Sawday2 says...

No speed cameras in County Durham - lowest accident rate there too. Drivers watching the road not their speedometers perhaps!
No speed cameras in County Durham - lowest accident rate there too. Drivers watching the road not their speedometers perhaps! Sawday2
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5:00pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Ocifer Dibble says...

Of course it's simple to say that motorcycle deaths are down last summer and lets all put this down to the success of the camera van, but would it be too much to ask for more assessment to be done on the reasons why? I wonder, for example, if the poor weather for most of the summer had anything to do with it? Less bikes on the road, less accidents………wo
w, how much intelligence did that take? Speed camera are a blunt tool which are still unproven, and somebody who thinks they are going to be the silver bullet to reducing deaths on our roads is in the wrong job.
Of course it's simple to say that motorcycle deaths are down last summer and lets all put this down to the success of the camera van, but would it be too much to ask for more assessment to be done on the reasons why? I wonder, for example, if the poor weather for most of the summer had anything to do with it? Less bikes on the road, less accidents………wo w, how much intelligence did that take? Speed camera are a blunt tool which are still unproven, and somebody who thinks they are going to be the silver bullet to reducing deaths on our roads is in the wrong job. Ocifer Dibble
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5:10pm Thu 6 Dec 12

twotonethomas says...

Interesting stats re: Durham Sawday2.

Could you please give us all the source of your statistics.
Interesting stats re: Durham Sawday2. Could you please give us all the source of your statistics. twotonethomas
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5:25pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Steve, says...

So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result?

Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off.

'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'.

I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.
So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result? Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off. 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket. Steve,
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5:26pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Steve, says...

*That was @Bolero, seems it lost the quote somewhere in processing.
*That was @Bolero, seems it lost the quote somewhere in processing. Steve,
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6:29pm Thu 6 Dec 12

bloodaxe says...

matroom wrote:
Just a money maker !!! Who does this new bird think she is !!!!
Only a money maker if you're, er, caught speeding.
[quote][p][bold]matroom[/bold] wrote: Just a money maker !!! Who does this new bird think she is !!!![/p][/quote]Only a money maker if you're, er, caught speeding. bloodaxe
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6:32pm Thu 6 Dec 12

bloodaxe says...

matroom wrote:
Heres one for you, mr and mrs smith, coming home from scarborough at 9 oclock on a summers night, no one else on the road, mr smith hits the a64 and does 80 mph, BANG, speed camera gets him, 3 points and a fine. Ridicolous !!!!!!
So you can choose when and where to break the law ? Funny sort of attitude.
[quote][p][bold]matroom[/bold] wrote: Heres one for you, mr and mrs smith, coming home from scarborough at 9 oclock on a summers night, no one else on the road, mr smith hits the a64 and does 80 mph, BANG, speed camera gets him, 3 points and a fine. Ridicolous !!!!!![/p][/quote]So you can choose when and where to break the law ? Funny sort of attitude. bloodaxe
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6:33pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Omega Point says...

hydroman wrote:
How on earth did we ever manage all those years in Yorkshire without the bloody speed cameras?
Got away with speeding, that is how you managed.
Now that road traffic injury and death are at the lowest for decades (even with massive increase in traffic) perhaps you would like to go back to the good old days
[quote][p][bold]hydroman[/bold] wrote: How on earth did we ever manage all those years in Yorkshire without the bloody speed cameras?[/p][/quote]Got away with speeding, that is how you managed. Now that road traffic injury and death are at the lowest for decades (even with massive increase in traffic) perhaps you would like to go back to the good old days Omega Point
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6:41pm Thu 6 Dec 12

bloodaxe says...

Steve, wrote:
So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result?

Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off.

'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'.

I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.
Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.
[quote][p][bold]Steve,[/bold] wrote: So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result? Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off. 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.[/p][/quote]Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law. bloodaxe
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6:54pm Thu 6 Dec 12

matroom says...

bloodaxe wrote:
Steve, wrote: So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result? Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off. 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.
Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.
What a ridicolous reply ??? Absolute gobble-de-goop. Obviously your one of the people doing 25 !!!
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve,[/bold] wrote: So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result? Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off. 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.[/p][/quote]Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.[/p][/quote]What a ridicolous reply ??? Absolute gobble-de-goop. Obviously your one of the people doing 25 !!! matroom
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6:54pm Thu 6 Dec 12

matroom says...

bloodaxe wrote:
Steve, wrote: So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result? Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off. 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.
Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.
What a ridicolous reply ??? Absolute gobble-de-goop. Obviously your one of the people doing 25 !!!
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve,[/bold] wrote: So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result? Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off. 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.[/p][/quote]Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.[/p][/quote]What a ridicolous reply ??? Absolute gobble-de-goop. Obviously your one of the people doing 25 !!! matroom
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8:06pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Steve, says...

bloodaxe wrote:
Steve, wrote:
So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result?

Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off.

'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'.

I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.
Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.
It's not so much luck, its excellent observations and good guidance.

Every car 'test passee' should legally have to do a moped CBT - purely for a life saving insight into observations of bikers and cyclists.

As for going slow, yeah technically they are going slower than me - but that's (more importantly) coupled with going too slow for the conditions. if it's safe for me to do 50 or 60 down an empty Malton Road at 7pm on a sunny saturday night which is a 40 then why isn't it safe for anyone else here top do it in them conditions? - it would be but a mere 'number' which is enforced by silly van restricts us making progress.

What about when these blanket 20limits are enforced? HOW exactly are the streets suddenly less safe to do 30 than they are 20 the day before the limit change compared to the day after??!

Also it's an insult to anyone with half an ounce of common sense - it suggests we're not sensible enough to monitor our own speeds accordingly to prevent us driving round everywhere like lunatics and surely if we're competent enough to gain licences we're competent enough to judge our own speed and travel without incident?
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve,[/bold] wrote: So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result? Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off. 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.[/p][/quote]Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.[/p][/quote]It's not so much luck, its excellent observations and good guidance. Every car 'test passee' should legally have to do a moped CBT - purely for a life saving insight into observations of bikers and cyclists. As for going slow, yeah technically they are going slower than me - but that's (more importantly) coupled with going too slow for the conditions. if it's safe for me to do 50 or 60 down an empty Malton Road at 7pm on a sunny saturday night which is a 40 then why isn't it safe for anyone else here top do it in them conditions? - it would be but a mere 'number' which is enforced by silly van restricts us making progress. What about when these blanket 20limits are enforced? HOW exactly are the streets suddenly less safe to do 30 than they are 20 the day before the limit change compared to the day after??! Also it's an insult to anyone with half an ounce of common sense - it suggests we're not sensible enough to monitor our own speeds accordingly to prevent us driving round everywhere like lunatics and surely if we're competent enough to gain licences we're competent enough to judge our own speed and travel without incident? Steve,
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8:22pm Thu 6 Dec 12

bolero says...

It is unfortunate that the majority of those who try to abide by the law regardless of whether it suits or not have to contend with the inconsiderate, impatient individuals on our roads like Steve. He and others like him are a total menace and a danger to us all .Don't worry, one day you will be caught and I hope that the full force of the law is brought to bear upon you.
It is unfortunate that the majority of those who try to abide by the law regardless of whether it suits or not have to contend with the inconsiderate, impatient individuals on our roads like Steve. He and others like him are a total menace and a danger to us all .Don't worry, one day you will be caught and I hope that the full force of the law is brought to bear upon you. bolero
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9:55pm Thu 6 Dec 12

byheck says...

Kevin Turvey makes comments about the police motorcyclist who came of his bike yesterday while performing royal escort duties, I wonder if he has any knowledge of the VIP motorcycle role.

So to the subject at hand of safety camera vans, the mere fact they are not high vis tells you one thing, they are not supposed to be obvious and easy to see. If they were they wouldnt rake the money in speed awareness courses.

Lets show the unwanted PCC how effective her idea is, funny but I thought NYP had reached that decision well before her low profile election.

Lets all slow down, to 30 then the vans wont make a penny.

As for improving casualty reduction, its all statistics, the fact is there has been less bikes on the road this year so obviously less accidents as a result.
Kevin Turvey makes comments about the police motorcyclist who came of his bike yesterday while performing royal escort duties, I wonder if he has any knowledge of the VIP motorcycle role. So to the subject at hand of safety camera vans, the mere fact they are not high vis tells you one thing, they are not supposed to be obvious and easy to see. If they were they wouldnt rake the money in speed awareness courses. Lets show the unwanted PCC how effective her idea is, funny but I thought NYP had reached that decision well before her low profile election. Lets all slow down, to 30 then the vans wont make a penny. As for improving casualty reduction, its all statistics, the fact is there has been less bikes on the road this year so obviously less accidents as a result. byheck
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9:55pm Thu 6 Dec 12

byheck says...

Kevin Turvey makes comments about the police motorcyclist who came of his bike yesterday while performing royal escort duties, I wonder if he has any knowledge of the VIP motorcycle role.

So to the subject at hand of safety camera vans, the mere fact they are not high vis tells you one thing, they are not supposed to be obvious and easy to see. If they were they wouldnt rake the money in speed awareness courses.

Lets show the unwanted PCC how effective her idea is, funny but I thought NYP had reached that decision well before her low profile election.

Lets all slow down, to 30 then the vans wont make a penny.

As for improving casualty reduction, its all statistics, the fact is there has been less bikes on the road this year so obviously less accidents as a result.
Kevin Turvey makes comments about the police motorcyclist who came of his bike yesterday while performing royal escort duties, I wonder if he has any knowledge of the VIP motorcycle role. So to the subject at hand of safety camera vans, the mere fact they are not high vis tells you one thing, they are not supposed to be obvious and easy to see. If they were they wouldnt rake the money in speed awareness courses. Lets show the unwanted PCC how effective her idea is, funny but I thought NYP had reached that decision well before her low profile election. Lets all slow down, to 30 then the vans wont make a penny. As for improving casualty reduction, its all statistics, the fact is there has been less bikes on the road this year so obviously less accidents as a result. byheck
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10:15pm Thu 6 Dec 12

baldiebiker says...

3.8liter wrote:
I got nicked in Green Lane Acomb by one of these a month ago and am going on the course which costs me £93.
There is a website run by North Yorkshire police which tells you where they will be.
Watch out for a sign written, Transit type van, with a camera stuck out of its' back window.
You are supposed to be able to see it, but Christ knows where it was hiding when I passed it doing 35mph!
you should go to the one at Garforth, its run by Kirklees council, they "only" charge £75 (oct 2012).
I was clocked at 79 mph on the Malton bypass, which is 1mph over the allowed speed limit, 70 +10%+1= 78
Guilty as charged.
[quote][p][bold]3.8liter[/bold] wrote: I got nicked in Green Lane Acomb by one of these a month ago and am going on the course which costs me £93. There is a website run by North Yorkshire police which tells you where they will be. Watch out for a sign written, Transit type van, with a camera stuck out of its' back window. You are supposed to be able to see it, but Christ knows where it was hiding when I passed it doing 35mph![/p][/quote]you should go to the one at Garforth, its run by Kirklees council, they "only" charge £75 (oct 2012). I was clocked at 79 mph on the Malton bypass, which is 1mph over the allowed speed limit, 70 +10%+1= 78 Guilty as charged. baldiebiker
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10:17pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Omega Point says...

matroom wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
Steve, wrote: So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result? Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off. 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.
Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.
What a ridicolous reply ??? Absolute gobble-de-goop. Obviously your one of the people doing 25 !!!
The word is ridiculous. And no it is not. From your previous comments it is clear you have neithetr the intelligence or wit to comprehend it
[quote][p][bold]matroom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steve,[/bold] wrote: So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result? Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off. 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.[/p][/quote]Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.[/p][/quote]What a ridicolous reply ??? Absolute gobble-de-goop. Obviously your one of the people doing 25 !!![/p][/quote]The word is ridiculous. And no it is not. From your previous comments it is clear you have neithetr the intelligence or wit to comprehend it Omega Point
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11:26pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Mr Anderson says...

Jazzper wrote:
Maybe they should park one up on Bishopthorpe Road ! :-)
Oi! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Jazzper[/bold] wrote: Maybe they should park one up on Bishopthorpe Road ! :-)[/p][/quote]Oi! ;0) Mr Anderson
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2:47am Fri 7 Dec 12

Magicman! says...

again wrote:
If it is a money maker then it is a tax on the stupid, dangerous and inconsiderate. What's not to like?
simple enough, and pretty much spot on!
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: If it is a money maker then it is a tax on the stupid, dangerous and inconsiderate. What's not to like?[/p][/quote]simple enough, and pretty much spot on! Magicman!
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7:44am Fri 7 Dec 12

Davroshasissues says...

I cannot believe people are whinging about this...i did 35 in a 30 zone and i got busted ...er, yeah...that's 5mph over the limit.

I don't get the issue here, if you stick to the rules you can drive past these mobile speed cameras absolutely fine, with no feeling of "****, that's another 3 points"...

How hard is it to be a safe and sensible driver? stick to the limit, signal when you need to, and yes people, that means the indicator stalk needs to be moved up or down dependent on the direction you are turning (biggest bug-bear for me)...

I've been driving over 8 years, safely and legally, and touch wood, not a prang to my name and a clean license. All this because i stick to the rules and understand that what i'm in control of could kill someone if i abuse the rules.

I do agree with a comment above about these people who don't hit the limit too, only the other day i was on the A19 behind a taxi doing a casual 40 in a 60 zone, this is annoying, and did cause a lot of people to overtake, often when it was not safe to do so. Perhaps the police could clamp down on this behaviour too.

I don't see how measures to improve road safety can be a bad thing.

So come on people, grow up, stop acting like you just got into trouble off the teacher. stick to these rules then perhaps we'd have less accidents on our roads.
I cannot believe people are whinging about this...i did 35 in a 30 zone and i got busted ...er, yeah...that's 5mph over the limit. I don't get the issue here, if you stick to the rules you can drive past these mobile speed cameras absolutely fine, with no feeling of "****, that's another 3 points"... How hard is it to be a safe and sensible driver? stick to the limit, signal when you need to, and yes people, that means the indicator stalk needs to be moved up or down dependent on the direction you are turning (biggest bug-bear for me)... I've been driving over 8 years, safely and legally, and touch wood, not a prang to my name and a clean license. All this because i stick to the rules and understand that what i'm in control of could kill someone if i abuse the rules. I do agree with a comment above about these people who don't hit the limit too, only the other day i was on the A19 behind a taxi doing a casual 40 in a 60 zone, this is annoying, and did cause a lot of people to overtake, often when it was not safe to do so. Perhaps the police could clamp down on this behaviour too. I don't see how measures to improve road safety can be a bad thing. So come on people, grow up, stop acting like you just got into trouble off the teacher. stick to these rules then perhaps we'd have less accidents on our roads. Davroshasissues
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7:59am Fri 7 Dec 12

Kevin Turvey says...

‘byheck says... 9:55pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Kevin Turvey makes comments about the police motorcyclist who came of his bike yesterday while performing royal escort duties, I wonder if he has any knowledge of the VIP motorcycle role.’

Comment on Story:
Being an IAM motorcyclist yes I do as I have actually been involved in training some for similar roles in the past!
It does not change the fact that the guy lost control, therefore rider error not riding to the weather conditions at the time!

Comedy Comment:
Now I think its time to hijack the thread….

I do hold on to the fact that Royal and VIP cannot be used together in the same sentence in my opinion as a republican, unless of course they are being escorted to the gallows.

So you see the VIP escort was pointless and the plodder was injured for no good reason anyway!

He was yet another victim of the royal con trick of suppression of the UK’s population, all just for sheeple to doff their hat to nobodies!

Viva Republic!
‘byheck says... 9:55pm Thu 6 Dec 12 Kevin Turvey makes comments about the police motorcyclist who came of his bike yesterday while performing royal escort duties, I wonder if he has any knowledge of the VIP motorcycle role.’ Comment on Story: Being an IAM motorcyclist yes I do as I have actually been involved in training some for similar roles in the past! It does not change the fact that the guy lost control, therefore rider error not riding to the weather conditions at the time! Comedy Comment: Now I think its time to hijack the thread…. I do hold on to the fact that Royal and VIP cannot be used together in the same sentence in my opinion as a republican, unless of course they are being escorted to the gallows. So you see the VIP escort was pointless and the plodder was injured for no good reason anyway! He was yet another victim of the royal con trick of suppression of the UK’s population, all just for sheeple to doff their hat to nobodies! Viva Republic! Kevin Turvey
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10:08am Fri 7 Dec 12

Davroshasissues says...

So, what you're saying Dibble is that what you're doing is fine until something goes wrong, then it suddenly becomes a crime?

Such arrogance infuriates me...
So, what you're saying Dibble is that what you're doing is fine until something goes wrong, then it suddenly becomes a crime? Such arrogance infuriates me... Davroshasissues
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10:43am Fri 7 Dec 12

glyn says...

Dibble, So when you do have an accident through speeding, will you claim,"i ve been doing it for years , it s not my fault".
By the same context, a drink driver eventually gets caught, "but officer, I ve been driving while drunk for years, let me off this time, I m a good driver"
If someone breaks any law continuously they will eventually get caught.
At least have the audacity to hold up your hand and say "I ve had a good run without being caught and I hope I get away with it for a similar period of time"
There is always a victim.
Hey,, we have all broken the speed limit at one time or other, if you deny this you are probably lying or "forgetful"
Dibble, So when you do have an accident through speeding, will you claim,"i ve been doing it for years , it s not my fault". By the same context, a drink driver eventually gets caught, "but officer, I ve been driving while drunk for years, let me off this time, I m a good driver" If someone breaks any law continuously they will eventually get caught. At least have the audacity to hold up your hand and say "I ve had a good run without being caught and I hope I get away with it for a similar period of time" There is always a victim. Hey,, we have all broken the speed limit at one time or other, if you deny this you are probably lying or "forgetful" glyn
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10:50am Fri 7 Dec 12

bolero says...

glyn wrote:
Dibble, So when you do have an accident through speeding, will you claim,"i ve been doing it for years , it s not my fault". By the same context, a drink driver eventually gets caught, "but officer, I ve been driving while drunk for years, let me off this time, I m a good driver" If someone breaks any law continuously they will eventually get caught. At least have the audacity to hold up your hand and say "I ve had a good run without being caught and I hope I get away with it for a similar period of time" There is always a victim. Hey,, we have all broken the speed limit at one time or other, if you deny this you are probably lying or "forgetful"
Or both plus ignorant.
[quote][p][bold]glyn[/bold] wrote: Dibble, So when you do have an accident through speeding, will you claim,"i ve been doing it for years , it s not my fault". By the same context, a drink driver eventually gets caught, "but officer, I ve been driving while drunk for years, let me off this time, I m a good driver" If someone breaks any law continuously they will eventually get caught. At least have the audacity to hold up your hand and say "I ve had a good run without being caught and I hope I get away with it for a similar period of time" There is always a victim. Hey,, we have all broken the speed limit at one time or other, if you deny this you are probably lying or "forgetful"[/p][/quote]Or both plus ignorant. bolero
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11:02am Fri 7 Dec 12

CJPG says...

I must say, this topic has opened up a can of worms, and there have been some interesting points made.

There are three categories of drivers who really annoy me, divers who hog the middle lanes of the motorway, drivers who drive way below the speed limit, and drivers who drive way above the speed limit.

All of the above are breaking the laws of the road, all are likely to cause accidents, but speed cameras are only going to catch drivers in the latter category. I consider this unfair. It is an easy way, probably the easiest way, of the authorities making money.

Does anyone know where all the money paid in fines go to?
I must say, this topic has opened up a can of worms, and there have been some interesting points made. There are three categories of drivers who really annoy me, divers who hog the middle lanes of the motorway, drivers who drive way below the speed limit, and drivers who drive way above the speed limit. All of the above are breaking the laws of the road, all are likely to cause accidents, but speed cameras are only going to catch drivers in the latter category. I consider this unfair. It is an easy way, probably the easiest way, of the authorities making money. Does anyone know where all the money paid in fines go to? CJPG
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11:43am Fri 7 Dec 12

twotonethomas says...

http://www.gazettehe
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This is for the benefit of those who want to believe that I made it all up.
http://www.gazettehe rald.co.uk/archive/2 003/12/17/Ryedale+Ar chive/6663250._Justi ce_has_not_been_serv ed_/ This is for the benefit of those who want to believe that I made it all up. twotonethomas
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12:56pm Fri 7 Dec 12

markymmark says...

Steve, says...
2:09pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Agree about the Police biker too, 5 years being 'highly trained and experienced' is a disgusting statement in reflection of his lack of ability to control the machine.

I've ridden through 3 winters on a twitchy 125 2stroke sportsbike and not come off, how did he manage it on a damp road?!

Also don't reckon he has a permit for parking it there...

Just out of interest does anyone know if the unfortunate officer was breathalysed - there is a police crackdown on drink driving at the moment.............. for the rest of us !
Steve, says... 2:09pm Thu 6 Dec 12 Agree about the Police biker too, 5 years being 'highly trained and experienced' is a disgusting statement in reflection of his lack of ability to control the machine. I've ridden through 3 winters on a twitchy 125 2stroke sportsbike and not come off, how did he manage it on a damp road?! Also don't reckon he has a permit for parking it there... Just out of interest does anyone know if the unfortunate officer was breathalysed - there is a police crackdown on drink driving at the moment.............. for the rest of us ! markymmark
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1:36pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Hilly rides Horses says...

Speed Cameras do not bother me.
I get Jeeves to drive or take the blame when I get flashed.

Never mind Daddy will replace him when he is banned and we have a new chauffeur with a nice licence to abuse.
Speed Cameras do not bother me. I get Jeeves to drive or take the blame when I get flashed. Never mind Daddy will replace him when he is banned and we have a new chauffeur with a nice licence to abuse. Hilly rides Horses
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11:36am Sat 8 Dec 12

glyn says...

Terrible what happened to your brother and puts into perspective the risks associated with the 'victimless crime' of speeding.

Notable how the posts from those boasting of their right to speed dried up after your post. Maybe it made the lowlife think how they had not killed anyone ...yet.”

HEAR HEAR.
Terrible what happened to your brother and puts into perspective the risks associated with the 'victimless crime' of speeding. Notable how the posts from those boasting of their right to speed dried up after your post. Maybe it made the lowlife think how they had not killed anyone ...yet.” HEAR HEAR. glyn
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7:56pm Sat 8 Dec 12

yorkshirelad says...

absolutely..hear, hear...
absolutely..hear, hear... yorkshirelad
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1:09am Sun 9 Dec 12

Steve, says...

You're all focusing on the point that 'me and the others are picking which laws we want to obey' - no, lol, we're sensible and think of the bigger picture.

None of you articulate brainwaves have answered my question yet either:
Each street in york (let's say huntington road) is a 30 currently, and has been for a decade or 2, so when these new 'blanket speeds' come into play why is it suddenly less safe to do 30?? There's been maybe 2 or 3 deaths within that 20years to my knowledge and iirc none were speeding related. So, why reduce the limit when it's not due to safety? If it's safe to do 30now why isn't it when the limit is dropped, and why should I be eligible for a fine for doing a proven safe speed (on average) the day after the limit drops??

Kelly, you can't say 'petulant' in that context in the same sentence as 'whinging', it kinda contradicts the statement.

Am I impatient? yeah. Am I a safe driver/biker/cyclist
? - with a no crash record, yeah. The day I get fined Il hold my hands up and happily take it on the chin but not when it's under a ridiculous premise of safety on roads that simply don't have a record for being unsafe. Is it that hard to see the reasonability aspect here?

For the record, I'm early 20s and don't have a criminal record, or ever been arrested - i'm law abiding but not stupid enough to let political/safety statements ruin my city while some stats make someone doing a job look good.
You're all focusing on the point that 'me and the others are picking which laws we want to obey' - no, lol, we're sensible and think of the bigger picture. None of you articulate brainwaves have answered my question yet either: Each street in york (let's say huntington road) is a 30 currently, and has been for a decade or 2, so when these new 'blanket speeds' come into play why is it suddenly less safe to do 30?? There's been maybe 2 or 3 deaths within that 20years to my knowledge and iirc none were speeding related. So, why reduce the limit when it's not due to safety? If it's safe to do 30now why isn't it when the limit is dropped, and why should I be eligible for a fine for doing a proven safe speed (on average) the day after the limit drops?? Kelly, you can't say 'petulant' in that context in the same sentence as 'whinging', it kinda contradicts the statement. Am I impatient? yeah. Am I a safe driver/biker/cyclist ? - with a no crash record, yeah. The day I get fined Il hold my hands up and happily take it on the chin but not when it's under a ridiculous premise of safety on roads that simply don't have a record for being unsafe. Is it that hard to see the reasonability aspect here? For the record, I'm early 20s and don't have a criminal record, or ever been arrested - i'm law abiding but not stupid enough to let political/safety statements ruin my city while some stats make someone doing a job look good. Steve,
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1:17am Sun 9 Dec 12

Steve, says...

How many of you get tired at the pumps when the silly bugger infront of you does a weekly shop at the filling station till when there's a supermarket 50feet away? A persons impatience doesn't necessarily impact their driving style - my record so far for a young lad is pretty **** good and to be tarnished as above shows so much naivety from people that post with much common sense elsewhere on this site its unreal.

Doing 2/3mph over the limit is technically illegal but so is texting while you're parked up and sat in your car and possess the keys, or eating, or drinking/smoking.. how many of you do that? nobody follows every law all the time... food for thought eh?
How many of you get tired at the pumps when the silly bugger infront of you does a weekly shop at the filling station till when there's a supermarket 50feet away? A persons impatience doesn't necessarily impact their driving style - my record so far for a young lad is pretty **** good and to be tarnished as above shows so much naivety from people that post with much common sense elsewhere on this site its unreal. Doing 2/3mph over the limit is technically illegal but so is texting while you're parked up and sat in your car and possess the keys, or eating, or drinking/smoking.. how many of you do that? nobody follows every law all the time... food for thought eh? Steve,
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8:49am Sun 9 Dec 12

Jazzper says...

Steve....I can see what these 20's plenty people are after, it's their assumption that sometime in the future some child, or grown up for that matter will step out into the road and be hit by a vehicle. If it's doing 20mph the injuries will be less severe than if said vehicle was going faster. I can see their point, but I feel it would be far better if road safety in general was emphasized at school and at home. Roads are always going to be dangerous places for pedestrians, they will always come off worst in any collision, no matter what speed limit is imposed.
Steve....I can see what these 20's plenty people are after, it's their assumption that sometime in the future some child, or grown up for that matter will step out into the road and be hit by a vehicle. If it's doing 20mph the injuries will be less severe than if said vehicle was going faster. I can see their point, but I feel it would be far better if road safety in general was emphasized at school and at home. Roads are always going to be dangerous places for pedestrians, they will always come off worst in any collision, no matter what speed limit is imposed. Jazzper
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4:02pm Sun 9 Dec 12

Steve, says...

^that is a very good point, when i was in school we were taught about the green cross code and generally that bid metal boxes moving towards you at speed hurt you.. these days it's Sex Ed in year 6!

Anyways back on topic; nobody can give an educated reply to my point which extends to speed cameras - they are not safety devices placed in strategic locations they are an extra tax on motorists who use common sense and do no harm. Does it break a rule? As I said previously; everyone does at some point.

I'm gonna venture off and find something more interesting to take up my attention - this is just repetition now in honesty.

NYP; - if anyone that matters reads this then what we NEED is more officers in traffic cars since it creates jobs and they typically give fines for many things that actually are the root cause of issues. Does that really need spelling out?
^that is a very good point, when i was in school we were taught about the green cross code and generally that bid metal boxes moving towards you at speed hurt you.. these days it's Sex Ed in year 6! Anyways back on topic; nobody can give an educated reply to my point which extends to speed cameras - they are not safety devices placed in strategic locations they are an extra tax on motorists who use common sense and do no harm. Does it break a rule? As I said previously; everyone does at some point. I'm gonna venture off and find something more interesting to take up my attention - this is just repetition now in honesty. NYP; - if anyone that matters reads this then what we NEED is more officers in traffic cars since it creates jobs and they typically give fines for many things that actually are the root cause of issues. Does that really need spelling out? Steve,
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4:18pm Sun 9 Dec 12

Mulgrave says...

I was recently looking at the government backed website which details the criteria for passing ( or failing ) a driving test. Not making sufficient progress is a potential minor fail point of which, if memory is correct, 15 equals a fail. Interestingly driving with 'excessive caution' is also a no no.

Am I the only person who after 36 years and about half a million miles would be happy to take further tests every 5 years if it meant an end to excessive obsession with speed cameras and 20mph control freaks telling us how incompetent we are?
I was recently looking at the government backed website which details the criteria for passing ( or failing ) a driving test. Not making sufficient progress is a potential minor fail point of which, if memory is correct, 15 equals a fail. Interestingly driving with 'excessive caution' is also a no no. Am I the only person who after 36 years and about half a million miles would be happy to take further tests every 5 years if it meant an end to excessive obsession with speed cameras and 20mph control freaks telling us how incompetent we are? Mulgrave
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5:09pm Sun 9 Dec 12

twotonethomas says...

Steve, I am sorry, but as someone who has lost a brother to a persistent speeding driver, I feel that I am entitled to ask, are you a fcuking deekhead?

IF speed cameras are a tax, and I am quite happy to accept they are. They are not a 'tax on motorists who use common sense', they are a tax on fcuking deekheads.

Now please fcuk off and be the sole fatality in a nasty accident which involves nobody else :)
Steve, I am sorry, but as someone who has lost a brother to a persistent speeding driver, I feel that I am entitled to ask, are you a fcuking deekhead? IF speed cameras are a tax, and I am quite happy to accept they are. They are not a 'tax on motorists who use common sense', they are a tax on fcuking deekheads. Now please fcuk off and be the sole fatality in a nasty accident which involves nobody else :) twotonethomas
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7:33pm Sun 9 Dec 12

inthesticks says...

Steve. I think you are the only one talking about a 20mph speed limit (i`m not going to go through every post again though). The point most people were making is about going over a 30, 40 or 60, (whichever road you happen to be on.)
I am sick to death of people speeding through the rural area where I live doing whatever speed they see fit, totally ignoring the law and the 30mph limit because they know full well there is never a police presence. Typically people do around 40-45 but many are doing 60-70.
The faster you are going the longer it will take you to stop if someone pulls out in front of you.
It`s the law so why do people keep reasoning why they should be allowed to ignore it.
Agree totally about very slow drivers being dangerous and I have actually been driven to have a word with a little old lady doing less than 15mph on a 60 road in the dark, with miles of traffic behind, advised that she was dangerous and really should not be driving.
Steve. I think you are the only one talking about a 20mph speed limit (i`m not going to go through every post again though). The point most people were making is about going over a 30, 40 or 60, (whichever road you happen to be on.) I am sick to death of people speeding through the rural area where I live doing whatever speed they see fit, totally ignoring the law and the 30mph limit because they know full well there is never a police presence. Typically people do around 40-45 but many are doing 60-70. The faster you are going the longer it will take you to stop if someone pulls out in front of you. It`s the law so why do people keep reasoning why they should be allowed to ignore it. Agree totally about very slow drivers being dangerous and I have actually been driven to have a word with a little old lady doing less than 15mph on a 60 road in the dark, with miles of traffic behind, advised that she was dangerous and really should not be driving. inthesticks
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9:10pm Sun 9 Dec 12

Steve, says...

In the sticks; if you can't see the principle from the slightly off topic subject then you shouldn't have commented.

the blanket limits are the same principle as the camera's, WHY is that speed 'unsafe' on that road 24/7?? half you eejuts are slating me for admitting 'driving to the conditions/making progress' where possible when none of you can say hand on heart you're whiter than white.

We all speed. Does it not occur to you that I also travel BELOW the limit when conditions need?.. guess not. that's the 'thinkin outside the box' im referring to, not many of you are apparently capable.
In the sticks; if you can't see the principle from the slightly off topic subject then you shouldn't have commented. the blanket limits are the same principle as the camera's, WHY is that speed 'unsafe' on that road 24/7?? half you eejuts are slating me for admitting 'driving to the conditions/making progress' where possible when none of you can say hand on heart you're whiter than white. We all speed. Does it not occur to you that I also travel BELOW the limit when conditions need?.. guess not. that's the 'thinkin outside the box' im referring to, not many of you are apparently capable. Steve,
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11:27am Mon 10 Dec 12

inthesticks says...

Steve. I don`t know if you have done some training with the McLaren team, or you just think that your superior judgement on what is suitable for the conditions should override the law. I don`t wish to be insulting but 6 years driving doesn`t make you an expert. I think that it could be said that overconfidence in your own abilities could be dangerous, as maybe your not as good a driver as you might think you are.
I don`t see why you have an issue with it - why don`t you just stick to the limit? You can still make progress doing 60mph on a 60 road, if the conditions allow.
I agree that they shouldn`t be cutting police presence but they have and these cameras are catching people who are breaking the law and the majority of the public want them.
It also isn`t against the law to use your phone when you pull over, but technically you should turn off the engine to comply with the law and it isn`t against the law to smoke whilst driving unless it`s a work vehicle, the only offences that warrant prosecution are if smoking caused you to drive dangerously or if you throw it out of the window.
Quote: 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'.
See that`s insulting Steve, i`m not a mindless drone who is willing to accept change. I am a very outspoken person, like you, who speaks up when I don`t like something. However on this topic we just happen to disagree. I want tighter laws on speeders and idiot drivers (separate the two groups if you wish but sometimes they overlap, like it or not) and you want to be able to go a few miles over the limit when you wish. The trouble with law is you have to have a cut off point, a line where everyone knows if you cross it that`s when it will be breaking the law. What use would it be to have the law and then say feel free to do 35 in this zone if you can`t see any pedestrians?
Steve. I don`t know if you have done some training with the McLaren team, or you just think that your superior judgement on what is suitable for the conditions should override the law. I don`t wish to be insulting but 6 years driving doesn`t make you an expert. I think that it could be said that overconfidence in your own abilities could be dangerous, as maybe your not as good a driver as you might think you are. I don`t see why you have an issue with it - why don`t you just stick to the limit? You can still make progress doing 60mph on a 60 road, if the conditions allow. I agree that they shouldn`t be cutting police presence but they have and these cameras are catching people who are breaking the law and the majority of the public want them. It also isn`t against the law to use your phone when you pull over, but technically you should turn off the engine to comply with the law and it isn`t against the law to smoke whilst driving unless it`s a work vehicle, the only offences that warrant prosecution are if smoking caused you to drive dangerously or if you throw it out of the window. Quote: 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. See that`s insulting Steve, i`m not a mindless drone who is willing to accept change. I am a very outspoken person, like you, who speaks up when I don`t like something. However on this topic we just happen to disagree. I want tighter laws on speeders and idiot drivers (separate the two groups if you wish but sometimes they overlap, like it or not) and you want to be able to go a few miles over the limit when you wish. The trouble with law is you have to have a cut off point, a line where everyone knows if you cross it that`s when it will be breaking the law. What use would it be to have the law and then say feel free to do 35 in this zone if you can`t see any pedestrians? inthesticks
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4:29pm Mon 10 Dec 12

dementia says...

Because Insurance Cos now count a speed awareness course the same as 3 points...will these vans be self financed if all sinners accept the fine and the 3 points and not attend the wholesome alternative?
Because Insurance Cos now count a speed awareness course the same as 3 points...will these vans be self financed if all sinners accept the fine and the 3 points and not attend the wholesome alternative? dementia
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4:12am Tue 11 Dec 12

anistasia says...

The policeman who came off his bike if the road was wet after a dry spell any wet brings oil up out of the road that can act like black ice so him coming off his machine is nothing to do with speed or dangerous riding.more people will be caught speeding when the 20mph comes in.more money should be put into motorists who flout the blue badge laws.people who don't have a blue badge parking in disabled bays.I have had motorbikes most of my life when you see these programs on tv bikers speeding going over the white line the thrill of the ride then they become a statistic and puts up all our premiums the ones breaking the laws should be made to pay.that goes for cars and bikes.if they want to cut down deaths on the road get the cyclists.they are a law to themselves headphones on cycle through red lights ride on the pavement .they should have some registration/insuran
ce hope this would cut down on insurance price increases.and yes I drive and ride a bike so I can see both views.one thing I do hate drink/drug drivers.so speed cameras are a good idea but should be used more outside such places as schools and play parks.but clamping down on speeding of 1-2mph over it will make more motorists be against the police/highways department.we need to work together not against each other.
The policeman who came off his bike if the road was wet after a dry spell any wet brings oil up out of the road that can act like black ice so him coming off his machine is nothing to do with speed or dangerous riding.more people will be caught speeding when the 20mph comes in.more money should be put into motorists who flout the blue badge laws.people who don't have a blue badge parking in disabled bays.I have had motorbikes most of my life when you see these programs on tv bikers speeding going over the white line the thrill of the ride then they become a statistic and puts up all our premiums the ones breaking the laws should be made to pay.that goes for cars and bikes.if they want to cut down deaths on the road get the cyclists.they are a law to themselves headphones on cycle through red lights ride on the pavement .they should have some registration/insuran ce hope this would cut down on insurance price increases.and yes I drive and ride a bike so I can see both views.one thing I do hate drink/drug drivers.so speed cameras are a good idea but should be used more outside such places as schools and play parks.but clamping down on speeding of 1-2mph over it will make more motorists be against the police/highways department.we need to work together not against each other. anistasia
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7:52am Tue 11 Dec 12

Kevin Turvey says...

‘Steve, says... 9:10pm Sun 9 Dec 12
that's the 'thinkin outside the box' im referring to, not many of you are apparently capable.’

Steve you have to understand that the majority of the population are mindless morons who belief everything the powers at be put in front of them (bread and circuses). 40 years of the socialist experiment/the nanny state in this country has led to 2 generations of zombies who are incapable of making any rational decision or thought process and it’s getting worse!
These people have no idea of observation, road conditions and making progress nor do that they have any idea that they are merely cogs in the state machine to earn tax money for the monster state machine!
They are also programmed and accept the constant black propaganda of the ‘war on terror’ an excuse for destabilization and therefore western military intervention to secure resources around the world for big business which is a game played in conjunction with each other (i.e. The governments/big business and the so called terrorists) the net benefits to governments is greater mind control and financial/legislatio
n control over its citizens in an effort to keep hold of their nice little earner! Big business secures more resources to sell and governments get taxes on them.

The big wheel keeps on turning and the population is mostly unaware that they are being played/abused/lied to.
‘Steve, says... 9:10pm Sun 9 Dec 12 that's the 'thinkin outside the box' im referring to, not many of you are apparently capable.’ Steve you have to understand that the majority of the population are mindless morons who belief everything the powers at be put in front of them (bread and circuses). 40 years of the socialist experiment/the nanny state in this country has led to 2 generations of zombies who are incapable of making any rational decision or thought process and it’s getting worse! These people have no idea of observation, road conditions and making progress nor do that they have any idea that they are merely cogs in the state machine to earn tax money for the monster state machine! They are also programmed and accept the constant black propaganda of the ‘war on terror’ an excuse for destabilization and therefore western military intervention to secure resources around the world for big business which is a game played in conjunction with each other (i.e. The governments/big business and the so called terrorists) the net benefits to governments is greater mind control and financial/legislatio n control over its citizens in an effort to keep hold of their nice little earner! Big business secures more resources to sell and governments get taxes on them. The big wheel keeps on turning and the population is mostly unaware that they are being played/abused/lied to. Kevin Turvey
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11:49am Wed 12 Dec 12

4yorks says...

I speed and I openly admit that, though only on motorways and dual carriageways. I recently drove to Manchester airport and travelled at between 80/90mph for most of the journey.

It was 3am, no cars around, why cant we go a little over the limit? we have some of the slowest speed limits in Europe
I speed and I openly admit that, though only on motorways and dual carriageways. I recently drove to Manchester airport and travelled at between 80/90mph for most of the journey. It was 3am, no cars around, why cant we go a little over the limit? we have some of the slowest speed limits in Europe 4yorks
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12:15pm Wed 12 Dec 12

PashDa says...

Fine if the cameras are used in sensible places - outside schools, on dangerous road stretches, etc. BUT the impression is that they are not, they are used on straight dual carriageways where the use of speeds above 70mph is not dangerous. Traffic is all going in one direction, no pedestrians.
Fine if the cameras are used in sensible places - outside schools, on dangerous road stretches, etc. BUT the impression is that they are not, they are used on straight dual carriageways where the use of speeds above 70mph is not dangerous. Traffic is all going in one direction, no pedestrians. PashDa
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