Extra North Yorkshire mobile speed cameras on way (From York Press)
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Extra North Yorkshire mobile speed cameras on way
10:31am Thursday 6th December 2012 in Ryedale news
EXTRA mobile speed cameras will take to the roads of North Yorkshire as the county’s first police and crime commissioner backs a bid to expand the pilot operation.
Julia Mulligan has this week supported proposals to increase the number of vans patroling the region’s roads from one to three.
The pilot scheme was launched on July 1 last year, and is now due to become a fully commissioned, permanent fixture in the hope of improving road safety and reducing the number of road casualties further.
The expanded operation – which will be self-funding with the running costs paid for through levies generated by speed awareness course fees – is expected to be in place by Easter next year.
The fate of the force’s mobile safety camera van – which has seen more than 16,000 speeding motorists caught since its introduction – was the first decision Mrs Mulligan has made since being elected.
She also ordered an evaluation to be carried out to determine which elements of the speed awareness courses produce the most benefit, and that “further thought be given to the way in which North Yorkshire Police’s speed management protocol is communicated within the policing area”.
A report to the commissioner said: “The early success of the pilot safety camera van operation in relation to casualty reduction figures, and the improved quality of life in local communities, support the continued use of mobile enforcement technology.
“The effectiveness of speed cameras has been well documented and those effects have been evident across the force area for the last 12 months.
“There has been a distinct and measurable impact on vehicle speeds which can be attributed to a shift change in driver behaviour.”
The report said 36 people had died on the 6,000-mile road network in York and North Yorkshire over the last three years as a result of speeding – equating to a quarter of all road deaths.
Motorcyclist deaths were also a huge factor in the launch of a speed camera van. In 2010, 20 bikers, including two pillion passengers, died in North Yorkshire.
The number of motorcyclists who have lost their lives on the county’s roads has fallen since the introduction of a mobile speed camera last summer and with extra speed camera vans set for the region’s roads – police are hoping to drive down that figure further.
• POLICE in East Yorkshire say their priority this month will be cracking down on drink-drivers who risk the lives of others.
Sgt Pete Rogers, of the Pocklington and Wolds Weighton Neighbourhood Policing Team, said that while the message had got through to most drivers, there remained a minority who were either prepared to “risk it” or who completely ignored the law and drove under the influence of alcohol.
“As police officers, my colleagues and I have all come across these people at various times,” he said.
Comments(89)
matroom
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10:55am Thu 6 Dec 12
again
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11:02am Thu 6 Dec 12
matroom
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11:07am Thu 6 Dec 12
again wrote:Holier than though do gooder alert !!! Here we go, the cordrouy wearers are here !!! Should be fun !!!
If it is a money maker then it is a tax on the stupid, dangerous and inconsiderate. What's not to like?
matroom
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11:12am Thu 6 Dec 12
twotonethomas
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11:13am Thu 6 Dec 12
again wrote:Spot on mate.
If it is a money maker then it is a tax on the stupid, dangerous and inconsiderate. What's not to like?
If it's simply a money making racket then at least it's a voluntary money making racket, which is far better than a direct tax :)
3.8liter
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11:24am Thu 6 Dec 12
There is a website run by North Yorkshire police which tells you where they will be.
Watch out for a sign written, Transit type van, with a camera stuck out of its' back window.
You are supposed to be able to see it, but Christ knows where it was hiding when I passed it doing 35mph!
matroom
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11:34am Thu 6 Dec 12
3.8liter wrote:35 mph !!! Its so easy to do 35 mph. Bloody nazi's !!!!!
I got nicked in Green Lane Acomb by one of these a month ago and am going on the course which costs me £93.
There is a website run by North Yorkshire police which tells you where they will be.
Watch out for a sign written, Transit type van, with a camera stuck out of its' back window.
You are supposed to be able to see it, but Christ knows where it was hiding when I passed it doing 35mph!
bob the builder
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11:41am Thu 6 Dec 12
3.8liter wrote:You're not supposed to see it, it is a silver semi high Ford Transit that appears to be a camper van at a glance. The favourite position is in a layby but half parked on the verge just after a slight bend to obscure it further. I have observed it many times on the A64 between York and the A1, either carriageway always on a Tuesday, and never after 3pm.
I got nicked in Green Lane Acomb by one of these a month ago and am going on the course which costs me £93.
There is a website run by North Yorkshire police which tells you where they will be.
Watch out for a sign written, Transit type van, with a camera stuck out of its' back window.
You are supposed to be able to see it, but Christ knows where it was hiding when I passed it doing 35mph!
particleman
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11:42am Thu 6 Dec 12
Kevin Turvey
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11:42am Thu 6 Dec 12
‘The number of motorcyclists who have lost their lives on the county’s roads has fallen since the introduction of a mobile speed camera last summer and with extra speed camera vans set for the region’s roads – police are hoping to drive down that figure further. ‘
It’s not about speed per say that is the safety problem on our roads it’s the inappropriate use of speed that is the problem and driver competence/training!
A fine example of that is the police motorcyclist who crashed yesterday!
Obviously he was going too fast for the conditions because he lost control on either wet leaves or ice according to the police. The fact that he was acting as an outrider for the royal visit does not change the road conditions at the time!
Surely an assessment would have been required for the road conditions and the vehicular makeup of the convoy?
I went to and from work on mine yesterday with no incident, there again I was riding within the conditions and my competence.
For the police to state that the police motorcyclist is very experienced because he has more than 5 years’ experience is a joke. I have over 30 years motorcycling experience of riding on the road and off road competion (the road is much more dangerous as due to the other idiots on the road factor!), yet It was not me lying on the tarmac yesterday.
Also insurance companies think more like 10 years before they consider you experienced and less of a risk on higher power machines.
Nothing like a clear joined up message from the so called authorities is there?
http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/10089817
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ashes_in_York/
matroom
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11:57am Thu 6 Dec 12
Kevin Turvey wrote:At last, someone who speaks sense !!!
If that is all that Julia Mulligan can up with for ideas for reducing crime then heaven help us!
‘The number of motorcyclists who have lost their lives on the county’s roads has fallen since the introduction of a mobile speed camera last summer and with extra speed camera vans set for the region’s roads – police are hoping to drive down that figure further. ‘
It’s not about speed per say that is the safety problem on our roads it’s the inappropriate use of speed that is the problem and driver competence/training!
A fine example of that is the police motorcyclist who crashed yesterday!
Obviously he was going too fast for the conditions because he lost control on either wet leaves or ice according to the police. The fact that he was acting as an outrider for the royal visit does not change the road conditions at the time!
Surely an assessment would have been required for the road conditions and the vehicular makeup of the convoy?
I went to and from work on mine yesterday with no incident, there again I was riding within the conditions and my competence.
For the police to state that the police motorcyclist is very experienced because he has more than 5 years’ experience is a joke. I have over 30 years motorcycling experience of riding on the road and off road competion (the road is much more dangerous as due to the other idiots on the road factor!), yet It was not me lying on the tarmac yesterday.
Also insurance companies think more like 10 years before they consider you experienced and less of a risk on higher power machines.
Nothing like a clear joined up message from the so called authorities is there?
http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/10089817
.Police_motorbike_cr
ashes_in_York/
twotonethomas
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12:02pm Thu 6 Dec 12
particleman wrote:And also cheaper and legal :)
Just as easy to do 30 mph. More time to look for the van as well lol.
scooterboy
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12:02pm Thu 6 Dec 12
matroom
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12:19pm Thu 6 Dec 12
scooterboy wrote:My point exactly.
wetherby road coming out and into acomb, needs chicanes to slow them down, i know some one who got caught doing 34mph shes the safeist driver ive ever met yet got collered coming down a hill, now come on, give and take,
Tom6187
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12:20pm Thu 6 Dec 12
twotonethomas
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12:26pm Thu 6 Dec 12
scooterboy wrote:And if she'd been doing 34 in a 30 zone when she knocked you off your scooter, your insurance firm would have instantly used it against her.
wetherby road coming out and into acomb, needs chicanes to slow them down, i know some one who got caught doing 34mph shes the safeist driver ive ever met yet got collered coming down a hill, now come on, give and take,
Would you have told your insurance company not to be so intolerant?
Night Moves
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12:28pm Thu 6 Dec 12
In respect of comments above, no speed camera whether in a van or police by the side of the road needs to give any advance warning or be marked in any way, this is a fallacy and is no defence if you are caught. also, when you see the van/camera it has already seen you some time before so you probably have already been caught if speeding if that's what you are doing.
Finally, unlike some above, I am not a do-gooder, I've been on a course, it was very interesting and has probably changed some of my habits particularly leaving more space to the car in front but I'm also one of the many who are still likely to get caught just over the limit because the tolerances are so fine. I would also like that van to stop sitting at Tadcaster where it is easy to catch people and move up the road to Bilbrough Top where all the accidents happen.
roskoboskovic
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12:40pm Thu 6 Dec 12
yorkshirelad
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12:41pm Thu 6 Dec 12
For me, I support speed enforcement. My children walk and cycle around York and the small inhibition of my driving to help the safety of others is more than worth it.
I do have some sympathy with people caught 'just' over the limit. But generally, in my experience people who have strident views on the issue tend to speed significantly.
In our county, mobile vans make much more sense than fixed cameras. I hope they are widely used - I wonder if they'll be used on York's main roads on Friday and Saturday nights? Race(track) nights might net a few!
As a cynic about the Police Commissioner role, I am quite pleased she has listened to the majority of the public and also to the Police here. Our safety comes first.
fuzzfelt
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12:53pm Thu 6 Dec 12
I see countless examples of poor and unsafe driving. Just this morning, I followed a driver who had scraped a small letter box shaped hole through the ice on their windscreen before pulling onto Hull Road. I happened to follow them further and observed them bouncing off the curbs and driving well above the speed limit despite having no visibility. For as long as this driver doesn't stray outside of York ring-road, they will never be caught.
hydroman
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12:56pm Thu 6 Dec 12
getlied2
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1:21pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Omega Point
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1:24pm Thu 6 Dec 12
matroom wrote:A sexist troll, good on yer mate, say what you think and what you are able to
Just a money maker !!! Who does this new bird think she is !!!!
twotonethomas
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1:28pm Thu 6 Dec 12
getlied2 wrote:' It's tantamount to stealing'
this is with out a doubt pur tax collecting! i was sent to speed awrenes course for doing an entire 74mph on the dual carriageway at malton!! its tanatamount to stealing!! as a motorist and biker i pay my dues. is this country we get fleeced for every penny! road tax, fuel tax, income tax, council tax, value added tax! everything is taxed then taxed again to the point where the contributors who work cant afford to live but "real" criminals get 3 squares a day and no TAX because WE pay for them!!! this stupid woman who got voted in by the tiny minority needs to focus the real issues! flood defence, schools, housing and not doing a dick turpin on the verp people who pay her!!!!
Except of course stealing, like speeding, is illegal.
hydroman
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1:47pm Thu 6 Dec 12
getlied2
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1:48pm Thu 6 Dec 12
asd
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1:52pm Thu 6 Dec 12
bishboy
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1:52pm Thu 6 Dec 12
YorkPatrol
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1:54pm Thu 6 Dec 12
I do hope however that the speed camera's also capture the goons doing well under the speed limit causing way more problems that the "speeders"
twotonethomas
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2:01pm Thu 6 Dec 12
getlied2 wrote:I don't know if this unintelligible diatribe is aimed at me, but I'll assume that it is.
yes but as it's well documented that the "Law is as ****" as are most people who hide behind it. and i spose your one of those that thinks being able to exercise to right to free choice is over rated and loves being a mindless drone! im sick of the puritanical and beurocratic minds that seem to think that as adults we shouldnt have any decision making powers. any other thoughts or rights the people wanna give you while your at it?
I think that everyone should be able to exercise the right to free choice, so long as that free choice doesn't risk harming others.
I support gay marriage, I have no problem with people of other creeds or colours and I even believe that people should be allowed to risk there own lives by acting like an idiot.
But when someone wants to act like an idiot in a way that is illegal and can lead to an innocent person being killed, then they should accept the consequences.
Podlet
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2:03pm Thu 6 Dec 12
They're much more scarey to me as I am used to cars jumping out, not hanging back.
And did anyone mention the road rage frustration of being behind them?
Steve,
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2:04pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Yorkshirelad if you believe that, you're an idiot - they don't dress in yellow and if yo're read properly you'd know they use a subtle silver camper van parked at the roadside.
I was sure I'd been caught twice in June in a works van, on roads that were otherwise empty so I was driving to the conditions only to glance the van as I passed it and noticed I was I was slightly over the limit - I spent more time slamming the brakes on 'to be sure' than was safe to take my eyes off the road.
What use is a 'safety camera van' that makes drivers do that?? I wasn't speeding per se at 5mph over the limit, the road was empty and it was sunny exiting a quite village near strensall.. there's been no noted accidents there in over 5/6 years.
Also:
"The report said 36 people had died on the 6,000-mile road network in York and North Yorkshire over the last three years as a result of speeding – equating to a quarter of all road deaths.
Motorcyclist deaths were also a huge factor in the launch of a speed camera van. In 2010, 20 bikers, including two pillion passengers, died in North Yorkshire.
The number of motorcyclists who have lost their lives on the county’s roads has fallen since the introduction of a mobile speed camera last summer and with extra speed camera vans set for the region’s roads – police are hoping to drive down that figure further." - that's 36 people in 1 county in 3, THREE years, more people die of heart attacks!! As for the biker comments, being one myself I can say the reduction is nothing to do with scamera vans, it's riders being more sensible and cautious not getting killed that's reducing the numbers.
What's wrong with money being spent on actual traffic cops which would create jobs and let drivers be educated rather than fined? also this course scheme is a joke, it doesn't teach bad drivers to behave its more like sticking finger up at the points system while the law rape you for another £100.
Get real plod kitted up, and sack off this sorry excuse of 'policing'.
Steve,
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2:09pm Thu 6 Dec 12
I've ridden through 3 winters on a twitchy 125 2stroke sportsbike and not come off, how did he manage it on a damp road?!
Also don't reckon he has a permit for parking it there...
fuzzfelt
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2:12pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Tom6187 wrote:Tom6187, it's no surprise to see you bring up your usual unfounded BMW/Audi rant. I've seen it so often that I wonder if you're a closet BMW lover.
Don't speed and you won't get a fine, I'm glad they're getting more of these on the roads, hopefully it'll slow down all the BMW and Audi numpties who think they have a divine right to drive dangerously and anti socially, there will always be a danger of one of these vans being around the corner. The next step is to get these tools to use their indicators.
Perhaps, your attitude is self-fulfilling as you automatically turn aggressive on the assumption that they're a bad driver which in turn results in retaliation.
In my experience, poor driving behaviour (lack of indicator use, for example) is exhibited across the car brand spectrum and is not isolated to a certain demographic but there's an argument that a newish BMW/Audi is more likely to be fully insured, taxed, roadworthy, have an MOT where applicable and the driver has a valid driving license.
bolero
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2:16pm Thu 6 Dec 12
hydroman
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2:25pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Can you translate your last posting into English so that we may all benefit from your contribution?
Jazzper
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2:31pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Tom6187 wrote:A gentleman across the road from me drives a brand new Audi, he is 85yrs and has told me he never goes above 30mph on any road !
Don't speed and you won't get a fine, I'm glad they're getting more of these on the roads, hopefully it'll slow down all the BMW and Audi numpties who think they have a divine right to drive dangerously and anti socially, there will always be a danger of one of these vans being around the corner. The next step is to get these tools to use their indicators.
bob the builder
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2:47pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Sillybillies
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2:49pm Thu 6 Dec 12
getlied2 says...
1:21pm Thu 6 Dec 1
..... this stupid woman who got voted in by the tiny minority needs to focus the real issues! flood defence, schools, housing and not doing a dick turpin on the verp people who pay her!!!!
Must be one hell of a job if the PCC is also responsible for flood defence, schools and housing!
hydroman
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3:14pm Thu 6 Dec 12
johnwill
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3:22pm Thu 6 Dec 12
yorkshirelad
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4:14pm Thu 6 Dec 12
hydroman wrote:Surveys of support for speed cameras consistently show majority public support. Many websites will reference this - try the RAC foundation or ROSPA for example.
yorkshirelad, just how, pray, do you know that the majority of public want more cameras? Is this a different majority from those who want higher speed limits on motorways? How do you know that people who have strident views tend to speed significantly? Maybe you are just making it up as you go along.
The strident views and speeding is a view based on personal experience...but hey, I'm not daft!
Look at the views expressed above... I would guess that those who shout the loudest about speed enforcement are those who are actually breaking the limits most often and most severely. Not rocket science!
fezpop2
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4:38pm Thu 6 Dec 12
I don't see a problem with going over the speedlimit if you are in full control of your car.
You should drive to the road conditions not the speed limit, there are plenty of NSL roads where 60mph is too fast but is still legal?!
Tom6187, i bet your one of those people that blasts their horn and puts there full beams on when somebody overtakes you! Grow up! oh... and i love my audi ;)
bolero
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4:41pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Sawday2
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4:58pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Ocifer Dibble
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5:00pm Thu 6 Dec 12
w, how much intelligence did that take? Speed camera are a blunt tool which are still unproven, and somebody who thinks they are going to be the silver bullet to reducing deaths on our roads is in the wrong job.
twotonethomas
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5:10pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Could you please give us all the source of your statistics.
Steve,
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5:25pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off.
'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'.
I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.
Steve,
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5:26pm Thu 6 Dec 12
bloodaxe
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6:29pm Thu 6 Dec 12
matroom wrote:Only a money maker if you're, er, caught speeding.
Just a money maker !!! Who does this new bird think she is !!!!
bloodaxe
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6:32pm Thu 6 Dec 12
matroom wrote:So you can choose when and where to break the law ? Funny sort of attitude.
Heres one for you, mr and mrs smith, coming home from scarborough at 9 oclock on a summers night, no one else on the road, mr smith hits the a64 and does 80 mph, BANG, speed camera gets him, 3 points and a fine. Ridicolous !!!!!!
Omega Point
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6:33pm Thu 6 Dec 12
hydroman wrote:Got away with speeding, that is how you managed.
How on earth did we ever manage all those years in Yorkshire without the bloody speed cameras?
Now that road traffic injury and death are at the lowest for decades (even with massive increase in traffic) perhaps you would like to go back to the good old days
bloodaxe
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6:41pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Steve, wrote:Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.
So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result?
Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off.
'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'.
I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.
matroom
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6:54pm Thu 6 Dec 12
bloodaxe wrote:What a ridicolous reply ??? Absolute gobble-de-goop. Obviously your one of the people doing 25 !!!
Steve, wrote: So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result? Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off. 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.
matroom
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6:54pm Thu 6 Dec 12
bloodaxe wrote:What a ridicolous reply ??? Absolute gobble-de-goop. Obviously your one of the people doing 25 !!!
Steve, wrote: So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result? Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off. 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.
Steve,
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8:06pm Thu 6 Dec 12
bloodaxe wrote:It's not so much luck, its excellent observations and good guidance.
Steve, wrote:Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.
So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result?
Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off.
'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'.
I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.
Every car 'test passee' should legally have to do a moped CBT - purely for a life saving insight into observations of bikers and cyclists.
As for going slow, yeah technically they are going slower than me - but that's (more importantly) coupled with going too slow for the conditions. if it's safe for me to do 50 or 60 down an empty Malton Road at 7pm on a sunny saturday night which is a 40 then why isn't it safe for anyone else here top do it in them conditions? - it would be but a mere 'number' which is enforced by silly van restricts us making progress.
What about when these blanket 20limits are enforced? HOW exactly are the streets suddenly less safe to do 30 than they are 20 the day before the limit change compared to the day after??!
Also it's an insult to anyone with half an ounce of common sense - it suggests we're not sensible enough to monitor our own speeds accordingly to prevent us driving round everywhere like lunatics and surely if we're competent enough to gain licences we're competent enough to judge our own speed and travel without incident?
bolero
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8:22pm Thu 6 Dec 12
byheck
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9:55pm Thu 6 Dec 12
So to the subject at hand of safety camera vans, the mere fact they are not high vis tells you one thing, they are not supposed to be obvious and easy to see. If they were they wouldnt rake the money in speed awareness courses.
Lets show the unwanted PCC how effective her idea is, funny but I thought NYP had reached that decision well before her low profile election.
Lets all slow down, to 30 then the vans wont make a penny.
As for improving casualty reduction, its all statistics, the fact is there has been less bikes on the road this year so obviously less accidents as a result.
byheck
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9:55pm Thu 6 Dec 12
So to the subject at hand of safety camera vans, the mere fact they are not high vis tells you one thing, they are not supposed to be obvious and easy to see. If they were they wouldnt rake the money in speed awareness courses.
Lets show the unwanted PCC how effective her idea is, funny but I thought NYP had reached that decision well before her low profile election.
Lets all slow down, to 30 then the vans wont make a penny.
As for improving casualty reduction, its all statistics, the fact is there has been less bikes on the road this year so obviously less accidents as a result.
baldiebiker
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10:15pm Thu 6 Dec 12
3.8liter wrote:you should go to the one at Garforth, its run by Kirklees council, they "only" charge £75 (oct 2012).
I got nicked in Green Lane Acomb by one of these a month ago and am going on the course which costs me £93.
There is a website run by North Yorkshire police which tells you where they will be.
Watch out for a sign written, Transit type van, with a camera stuck out of its' back window.
You are supposed to be able to see it, but Christ knows where it was hiding when I passed it doing 35mph!
I was clocked at 79 mph on the Malton bypass, which is 1mph over the allowed speed limit, 70 +10%+1= 78
Guilty as charged.
Omega Point
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10:17pm Thu 6 Dec 12
matroom wrote:The word is ridiculous. And no it is not. From your previous comments it is clear you have neithetr the intelligence or wit to comprehend it
bloodaxe wrote:What a ridicolous reply ??? Absolute gobble-de-goop. Obviously your one of the people doing 25 !!!Steve, wrote: So, were you actually driving unsafely? Was your 'offence' worth being robbed out of the fine amount - and more to the point are you truly happy with the result? Because had I been driving to the conditions as you were and then innocently conned out of my hard earned cash ~I would be quite pished off. 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'. I travel above the allocated number on certain roads, because I travel to the conditions - and while I've never once had a crash in 6 years I've also never had a speeding ticket.Lucky you. On the point about people going slowly causing accidents, I suppose you mean people going slower than you when you want to break the speed limit and thus take a risk overtaking them. So really it's people going fast who cause accidents, not people going "slow". Who is to say what "driving to the conditions" means ? Your definition may not be the same as someone else's. You can't have relative definitions. When the Highway Code talks about driving according to the condition of the road there is an unspoken assumption that this does not entail breaking the law.
Mr Anderson
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11:26pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Jazzper wrote:Oi! ;0)
Maybe they should park one up on Bishopthorpe Road ! :-)
Magicman!
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2:47am Fri 7 Dec 12
again wrote:simple enough, and pretty much spot on!
If it is a money maker then it is a tax on the stupid, dangerous and inconsiderate. What's not to like?
Davroshasissues
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7:44am Fri 7 Dec 12
I don't get the issue here, if you stick to the rules you can drive past these mobile speed cameras absolutely fine, with no feeling of "****, that's another 3 points"...
How hard is it to be a safe and sensible driver? stick to the limit, signal when you need to, and yes people, that means the indicator stalk needs to be moved up or down dependent on the direction you are turning (biggest bug-bear for me)...
I've been driving over 8 years, safely and legally, and touch wood, not a prang to my name and a clean license. All this because i stick to the rules and understand that what i'm in control of could kill someone if i abuse the rules.
I do agree with a comment above about these people who don't hit the limit too, only the other day i was on the A19 behind a taxi doing a casual 40 in a 60 zone, this is annoying, and did cause a lot of people to overtake, often when it was not safe to do so. Perhaps the police could clamp down on this behaviour too.
I don't see how measures to improve road safety can be a bad thing.
So come on people, grow up, stop acting like you just got into trouble off the teacher. stick to these rules then perhaps we'd have less accidents on our roads.
Kevin Turvey
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7:59am Fri 7 Dec 12
Kevin Turvey makes comments about the police motorcyclist who came of his bike yesterday while performing royal escort duties, I wonder if he has any knowledge of the VIP motorcycle role.’
Comment on Story:
Being an IAM motorcyclist yes I do as I have actually been involved in training some for similar roles in the past!
It does not change the fact that the guy lost control, therefore rider error not riding to the weather conditions at the time!
Comedy Comment:
Now I think its time to hijack the thread….
I do hold on to the fact that Royal and VIP cannot be used together in the same sentence in my opinion as a republican, unless of course they are being escorted to the gallows.
So you see the VIP escort was pointless and the plodder was injured for no good reason anyway!
He was yet another victim of the royal con trick of suppression of the UK’s population, all just for sheeple to doff their hat to nobodies!
Viva Republic!
Davroshasissues
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10:08am Fri 7 Dec 12
Such arrogance infuriates me...
glyn
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10:43am Fri 7 Dec 12
By the same context, a drink driver eventually gets caught, "but officer, I ve been driving while drunk for years, let me off this time, I m a good driver"
If someone breaks any law continuously they will eventually get caught.
At least have the audacity to hold up your hand and say "I ve had a good run without being caught and I hope I get away with it for a similar period of time"
There is always a victim.
Hey,, we have all broken the speed limit at one time or other, if you deny this you are probably lying or "forgetful"
bolero
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10:50am Fri 7 Dec 12
glyn wrote:Or both plus ignorant.
Dibble, So when you do have an accident through speeding, will you claim,"i ve been doing it for years , it s not my fault". By the same context, a drink driver eventually gets caught, "but officer, I ve been driving while drunk for years, let me off this time, I m a good driver" If someone breaks any law continuously they will eventually get caught. At least have the audacity to hold up your hand and say "I ve had a good run without being caught and I hope I get away with it for a similar period of time" There is always a victim. Hey,, we have all broken the speed limit at one time or other, if you deny this you are probably lying or "forgetful"
CJPG
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11:02am Fri 7 Dec 12
There are three categories of drivers who really annoy me, divers who hog the middle lanes of the motorway, drivers who drive way below the speed limit, and drivers who drive way above the speed limit.
All of the above are breaking the laws of the road, all are likely to cause accidents, but speed cameras are only going to catch drivers in the latter category. I consider this unfair. It is an easy way, probably the easiest way, of the authorities making money.
Does anyone know where all the money paid in fines go to?
twotonethomas
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11:43am Fri 7 Dec 12
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markymmark
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12:56pm Fri 7 Dec 12
2:09pm Thu 6 Dec 12
Agree about the Police biker too, 5 years being 'highly trained and experienced' is a disgusting statement in reflection of his lack of ability to control the machine.
I've ridden through 3 winters on a twitchy 125 2stroke sportsbike and not come off, how did he manage it on a damp road?!
Also don't reckon he has a permit for parking it there...
Just out of interest does anyone know if the unfortunate officer was breathalysed - there is a police crackdown on drink driving at the moment.............. for the rest of us !
Hilly rides Horses
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1:36pm Fri 7 Dec 12
I get Jeeves to drive or take the blame when I get flashed.
Never mind Daddy will replace him when he is banned and we have a new chauffeur with a nice licence to abuse.
glyn
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11:36am Sat 8 Dec 12
Notable how the posts from those boasting of their right to speed dried up after your post. Maybe it made the lowlife think how they had not killed anyone ...yet.”
HEAR HEAR.
yorkshirelad
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7:56pm Sat 8 Dec 12
Steve,
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1:09am Sun 9 Dec 12
None of you articulate brainwaves have answered my question yet either:
Each street in york (let's say huntington road) is a 30 currently, and has been for a decade or 2, so when these new 'blanket speeds' come into play why is it suddenly less safe to do 30?? There's been maybe 2 or 3 deaths within that 20years to my knowledge and iirc none were speeding related. So, why reduce the limit when it's not due to safety? If it's safe to do 30now why isn't it when the limit is dropped, and why should I be eligible for a fine for doing a proven safe speed (on average) the day after the limit drops??
Kelly, you can't say 'petulant' in that context in the same sentence as 'whinging', it kinda contradicts the statement.
Am I impatient? yeah. Am I a safe driver/biker/cyclist
? - with a no crash record, yeah. The day I get fined Il hold my hands up and happily take it on the chin but not when it's under a ridiculous premise of safety on roads that simply don't have a record for being unsafe. Is it that hard to see the reasonability aspect here?
For the record, I'm early 20s and don't have a criminal record, or ever been arrested - i'm law abiding but not stupid enough to let political/safety statements ruin my city while some stats make someone doing a job look good.
Steve,
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1:17am Sun 9 Dec 12
Doing 2/3mph over the limit is technically illegal but so is texting while you're parked up and sat in your car and possess the keys, or eating, or drinking/smoking.. how many of you do that? nobody follows every law all the time... food for thought eh?
Jazzper
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8:49am Sun 9 Dec 12
Steve,
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4:02pm Sun 9 Dec 12
Anyways back on topic; nobody can give an educated reply to my point which extends to speed cameras - they are not safety devices placed in strategic locations they are an extra tax on motorists who use common sense and do no harm. Does it break a rule? As I said previously; everyone does at some point.
I'm gonna venture off and find something more interesting to take up my attention - this is just repetition now in honesty.
NYP; - if anyone that matters reads this then what we NEED is more officers in traffic cars since it creates jobs and they typically give fines for many things that actually are the root cause of issues. Does that really need spelling out?
Mulgrave
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4:18pm Sun 9 Dec 12
Am I the only person who after 36 years and about half a million miles would be happy to take further tests every 5 years if it meant an end to excessive obsession with speed cameras and 20mph control freaks telling us how incompetent we are?
twotonethomas
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5:09pm Sun 9 Dec 12
IF speed cameras are a tax, and I am quite happy to accept they are. They are not a 'tax on motorists who use common sense', they are a tax on fcuking deekheads.
Now please fcuk off and be the sole fatality in a nasty accident which involves nobody else :)
inthesticks
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7:33pm Sun 9 Dec 12
I am sick to death of people speeding through the rural area where I live doing whatever speed they see fit, totally ignoring the law and the 30mph limit because they know full well there is never a police presence. Typically people do around 40-45 but many are doing 60-70.
The faster you are going the longer it will take you to stop if someone pulls out in front of you.
It`s the law so why do people keep reasoning why they should be allowed to ignore it.
Agree totally about very slow drivers being dangerous and I have actually been driven to have a word with a little old lady doing less than 15mph on a 60 road in the dark, with miles of traffic behind, advised that she was dangerous and really should not be driving.
Steve,
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9:10pm Sun 9 Dec 12
the blanket limits are the same principle as the camera's, WHY is that speed 'unsafe' on that road 24/7?? half you eejuts are slating me for admitting 'driving to the conditions/making progress' where possible when none of you can say hand on heart you're whiter than white.
We all speed. Does it not occur to you that I also travel BELOW the limit when conditions need?.. guess not. that's the 'thinkin outside the box' im referring to, not many of you are apparently capable.
inthesticks
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11:27am Mon 10 Dec 12
I don`t see why you have an issue with it - why don`t you just stick to the limit? You can still make progress doing 60mph on a 60 road, if the conditions allow.
I agree that they shouldn`t be cutting police presence but they have and these cameras are catching people who are breaking the law and the majority of the public want them.
It also isn`t against the law to use your phone when you pull over, but technically you should turn off the engine to comply with the law and it isn`t against the law to smoke whilst driving unless it`s a work vehicle, the only offences that warrant prosecution are if smoking caused you to drive dangerously or if you throw it out of the window.
Quote: 'if you dont speed theres no worries' - its the mugs saying this that both cause accidents going slowly and help the system bring more in by being mindless drones that just accept the change 'in the name of safety'.
See that`s insulting Steve, i`m not a mindless drone who is willing to accept change. I am a very outspoken person, like you, who speaks up when I don`t like something. However on this topic we just happen to disagree. I want tighter laws on speeders and idiot drivers (separate the two groups if you wish but sometimes they overlap, like it or not) and you want to be able to go a few miles over the limit when you wish. The trouble with law is you have to have a cut off point, a line where everyone knows if you cross it that`s when it will be breaking the law. What use would it be to have the law and then say feel free to do 35 in this zone if you can`t see any pedestrians?
dementia
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4:29pm Mon 10 Dec 12
anistasia
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4:12am Tue 11 Dec 12
ce hope this would cut down on insurance price increases.and yes I drive and ride a bike so I can see both views.one thing I do hate drink/drug drivers.so speed cameras are a good idea but should be used more outside such places as schools and play parks.but clamping down on speeding of 1-2mph over it will make more motorists be against the police/highways department.we need to work together not against each other.
Kevin Turvey
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7:52am Tue 11 Dec 12
that's the 'thinkin outside the box' im referring to, not many of you are apparently capable.’
Steve you have to understand that the majority of the population are mindless morons who belief everything the powers at be put in front of them (bread and circuses). 40 years of the socialist experiment/the nanny state in this country has led to 2 generations of zombies who are incapable of making any rational decision or thought process and it’s getting worse!
These people have no idea of observation, road conditions and making progress nor do that they have any idea that they are merely cogs in the state machine to earn tax money for the monster state machine!
They are also programmed and accept the constant black propaganda of the ‘war on terror’ an excuse for destabilization and therefore western military intervention to secure resources around the world for big business which is a game played in conjunction with each other (i.e. The governments/big business and the so called terrorists) the net benefits to governments is greater mind control and financial/legislatio
n control over its citizens in an effort to keep hold of their nice little earner! Big business secures more resources to sell and governments get taxes on them.
The big wheel keeps on turning and the population is mostly unaware that they are being played/abused/lied to.
4yorks
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11:49am Wed 12 Dec 12
It was 3am, no cars around, why cant we go a little over the limit? we have some of the slowest speed limits in Europe
PashDa
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12:15pm Wed 12 Dec 12
Jazzper says...
10:54am Thu 6 Dec 12