Burglars ‘less likely to be jailed’ at York Crown Court (From York Press)

The Police are useless at getting anybody to court other than motorists and the those that do get there are let off.
Confidence in the Justice system is at an all time low.
What happened to the sound bite

Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime.

No wonder the sales of baseball bats are booming and places like Blue Moon trading prosper.

Your on your own folks, dont rely on the old bill to turn up on time if at all, or do anything if they do other than give you a crime number for your insurance.

Do you remember the good old days when coppers did what they were paid to do ? and the courts gave out the proper sentences ? I do.

capt spaulding wrote:
The Police are useless at getting anybody to court other than motorists and the those that do get there are let off. Confidence in the Justice system is at an all time low. What happened to the sound bite Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime. No wonder the sales of baseball bats are booming and places like Blue Moon trading prosper. Your on your own folks, dont rely on the old bill to turn up on time if at all, or do anything if they do other than give you a crime number for your insurance. Do you remember the good old days when coppers did what they were paid to do ? and the courts gave out the proper sentences ? I do.

Where did that little anti-police rant come from? Sentencing has nothing to do with the police. Why castigate them for something beyond their control?

"Sentencing in individual cases is a matter for the independent judges, who will consider the full facts of each case before them – including factors like premeditation, the value of goods stolen, any damage to the property and previous offences.”

Why should it matter what was taken and how much it's worth, the simple fact is no-one should break into your home. Expect more burglaries in the future with this highlighted in the news.

SteadyOn wrote:

capt spaulding wrote:
The Police are useless at getting anybody to court other than motorists and the those that do get there are let off. Confidence in the Justice system is at an all time low. What happened to the sound bite Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime. No wonder the sales of baseball bats are booming and places like Blue Moon trading prosper. Your on your own folks, dont rely on the old bill to turn up on time if at all, or do anything if they do other than give you a crime number for your insurance. Do you remember the good old days when coppers did what they were paid to do ? and the courts gave out the proper sentences ? I do.

Where did that little anti-police rant come from? Sentencing has nothing to do with the police. Why castigate them for something beyond their control?

It came from being severely let down by them failing in every way .

But probably caused by the courts letting them off. So why bother getting them there in the first place.

And thats exactly what a police officer said to me.

capt spaulding wrote:

SteadyOn wrote:

capt spaulding wrote:
The Police are useless at getting anybody to court other than motorists and the those that do get there are let off. Confidence in the Justice system is at an all time low. What happened to the sound bite Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime. No wonder the sales of baseball bats are booming and places like Blue Moon trading prosper. Your on your own folks, dont rely on the old bill to turn up on time if at all, or do anything if they do other than give you a crime number for your insurance. Do you remember the good old days when coppers did what they were paid to do ? and the courts gave out the proper sentences ? I do.

Where did that little anti-police rant come from? Sentencing has nothing to do with the police. Why castigate them for something beyond their control?

It came from being severely let down by them failing in every way .

But probably caused by the courts letting them off. So why bother getting them there in the first place.

And thats exactly what a police officer said to me.

So who's to blame, then? The cops or the courts? Don't you think it's frustrating for police to risk their lives trying to protect the public and property only to see the criminals go free? I can see why the cops wouldn't help you out.

All Burglars should go to Jail every time they appear at Court for such an offence. In the 60's a house Burglar went to Jail for 3 years for a first offence and 5 years if the offence was committed between 9pm and 6am.Such sentences imposed now would perhaps act as a deterrent though those burglars who are drugged up probably wouldn't care.

The Police have there hands tied by CPs and the Courts.
1. CPs first decide if to go to court with the case so cases can be dropped at this point

2. then the courts then pass sentences that make the police look like they have not done there job

the police then have the problem that the convicted burglars are back on the streets for them to chase down again and again no wonder the police go for offences that show a result at the time


.

Do burglars go to jail?! From reading stories in here they only seem to get a sentence suspended for a couple of years, they do it again and still don't get jail. Pointless.

I was the victim of one of these crimes recently:-

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/9895966.
Drug_addict_raided_Y
ork_home/

On top of what i had stolen, the damage to my property, the breach of mistrust ( ill point out he was NOT a friend, i merely helped him a couple of times as knew him through a friend to be taken advantage of) i also suffered personal injury and ended up in hospital to this effect resulting in more agony and now have to live with what happened to me the rest of my life.

Its disgusting that they get away with it and im not surprised they do it. In my instance he suffered no penalty bar good behaviour needed for 2 years and a couple of therapy sessions.

Disgusting, honestly disgusting. But nothing us law abiding citizens can do!!!!

Unfortunately, you lot have fallen for the same 'old adage' emotional headline thats sure fire to cause a rant. I want to salute Mr Mike Laycock for such a great headline - and earning his wages this month. What a crock of s.h.i.t.e!!

I have been victim to burglary in the past and so I am not some left wing socialist fighting the cause. However, I am a realist, and this type of headline is pathetic.

The fact is, those that are sending less to jail, might just be more open as to the wider consequences of this punishment. Higher taxes, prisons at capacity (£35,000) per head, no rehabilitation, and higher re-offending rates for anyone who goes to prison.

Dont get me wrong, when I was burgled It shook my families world. I still feel insecure about this happening again. However, I also do not want to experiance 'double jeopardy' and be hit with massive taxes to pay for punishment, without also feeling that someone can 'change' or at least have the chance too.

Please do not fall for such emotional headlines, they really do sure how immaturely developed we are emotionally, and reporters like this one, take advatage of them.

As the criminal justice system in this country continues to further fall apart and so called authority looses control further, a more natural form of justice will develop where there are criminals given sentences by Kangaroo courts. For example: where the 'criminal' will be tied to a tree in a remote forest for a week or so or perhaps in more severe cases there will be a 6ft long disturbance in the ground in the corner of a field/wood.

I am not saying that the above is right and proper but it would not surprise me to find more instances of the public taking control of situations where the so called authorities have failed to deliver a robust and safe for the public criminal justice in the past, thereby removing the root cause of the problem totally!

Its the one part of Sharia law that I would support.

A convicted criminal with no hands cannot break into your house!

Also everyone can see who they are.

Makes you wonder if Sharia Law would make a difference.
A few hands lopped off a couple of market place stonings and a couple of honour killings...........m
ore Blue Sky thinking !!

capt spaulding wrote:

It came from being severely let down by them failing in every way .

But probably caused by the courts letting them off. So why bother getting them there in the first place.

And thats exactly what a police officer said to me.


overhear says...
11:56am Tue 11 Sep 12


So who's to blame, then? The cops or the courts? Don't you think it's frustrating for police to risk their lives trying to protect the public and property only to see the criminals go free? I can see why the cops wouldn't help you out.”

I think what capt spaulding is saying that in his experience the police failed to even get the criminal to court and then tried to justify that failing when challenged by saying there was no point anyway because they'd only get let off.


The term "helping out" overhear implies doing someone a favour in an amateur or unpaid capacity. Whilst I'd appreciate some police officers give the impression of being unprofessional or amateur they are in fact well paid and do themselves no favours by blaming sentencing guidelines for their lack of work ethic or ability.

These statistics are pretty meaningless to be honest though and the only way to avoid such variations would be to jail all burglars, that sounds great in theory but as has been said above by mataix121, it is not realistic or likely and would do more harm than good in some cases.

Im pretty opened minded and can relate to all above comments but i look at my case and can not see any " punishmment "in that paticular case. Thats the problem, if no jail time there should be at least a system to ensure their is some deterrent, even community service giving back to the community.

what is wrong with chain gangs?

Or boot/work camps where public footpaths are repaired in the national parks.

Obviously without the corruption shown in such films as Cool Hand Luke/Shawshank Redemption/Brubaker?

So it would do more harm than good jailing all burglars? In some respects you may have a point that whilst inside, they rub shoulders learning new skills for committing crime. Whilst inside they do not rehabilitate. They just await release to continue their way of life. Stealing! But on the other hand, whilst in prison they are not free to bring misery on their victims. So put them inside and throw away the key.

We only have usable capacity for 87,698* prisoners in the UK. If we were to invest in more prisons sentencing at court need not be restrained by lack of capacity.

This does not explain why regional differences should be occurring which the article addresses.

*Source:
http://www.thelawpag
es.com/crime-statist
ics/prison-populatio
n.php

Good old Pete the brickie - now even reading into another correspondents' comments to yet again have a go at the Police. Yawn Yawn
I know who I will be calling should I be so unfortunate to suffer a burglary and it won't be the Federation of Master Builders !!!!!

Striking Cobra wrote:
Good old Pete the brickie - now even reading into another correspondents' comments to yet again have a go at the Police. Yawn Yawn
I know who I will be calling should I be so unfortunate to suffer a burglary and it won't be the Federation of Master Builders !!!!!

Well I hope for your sake they actually turn up. I hope your not grappling with a scroat popped up on something or other on your bedroom floor with your wife screaming the place down.
I hope nothing untowards ever happens to you or your family at the hands of some lowlife.
If it does, you like me will realise that the whole justice system is bust from the top down. And then I bet you change your tune.

capt spaulding wrote:

Striking Cobra wrote:
Good old Pete the brickie - now even reading into another correspondents' comments to yet again have a go at the Police. Yawn Yawn
I know who I will be calling should I be so unfortunate to suffer a burglary and it won't be the Federation of Master Builders !!!!!

Well I hope for your sake they actually turn up. I hope your not grappling with a scroat popped up on something or other on your bedroom floor with your wife screaming the place down.
I hope nothing untowards ever happens to you or your family at the hands of some lowlife.
If it does, you like me will realise that the whole justice system is bust from the top down. And then I bet you change your tune.

Do you think that having the right to possess a weapon would give the innocent citizen a chance in such a dangerous scenario? The Second Amendment in the US allows such a loophole for them, but would it work over here?

SteadyOn wrote:

capt spaulding wrote: The Police are useless at getting anybody to court other than motorists and the those that do get there are let off. Confidence in the Justice system is at an all time low. What happened to the sound bite Tough on crime tough on the causes of crime. No wonder the sales of baseball bats are booming and places like Blue Moon trading prosper. Your on your own folks, dont rely on the old bill to turn up on time if at all, or do anything if they do other than give you a crime number for your insurance. Do you remember the good old days when coppers did what they were paid to do ? and the courts gave out the proper sentences ? I do.

Where did that little anti-police rant come from? Sentencing has nothing to do with the police. Why castigate them for something beyond their control?

I don't think it was anti Police, just a comment on how the police once used to have respect, and when you saw a police man and you where doing something wrong you got out of his way or you would feel the full force of his cape round your back side.I think the problem is all the good doers.

.... it would not surprise me to find more instances of the public taking control of situations where the so called authorities have failed to deliver a robust and safe for the public criminal justice in the past, thereby removing the root cause of the problem totally!

I think there's a possibility of this, in North Yorkshire we are served by a weak kneed judiciary and a grossly incompetent police force.

Note Cllr Taylor's comment - what does the variation in these figures tell us? Just that York's a soft touch, or are there other factors to be considered?

Striking Cobra wrote:
Good old Pete the brickie - now even reading into another correspondents' comments to yet again have a go at the Police. Yawn Yawn
I know who I will be calling should I be so unfortunate to suffer a burglary and it won't be the Federation of Master Builders !!!!!

I'm not too sure you'd be doing the right thing in a burglary scenario though, as most builders would probably get there quicker as we have Transit vans which are faster than the typical NYP response of a single PCSO on a Dawes mountain bike. We are also statistically about as likely to catch the thief, can provide a quotation to repair the damage and start work instantly. Although I'd admit our organisation's members would struggle with what passes for real police work these days in that we are unable to provide a crime number for your insurance company.

ExPatBob wrote:
So it would do more harm than good jailing all burglars? In some respects you may have a point that whilst inside, they rub shoulders learning new skills for committing crime. Whilst inside they do not rehabilitate. They just await release to continue their way of life. Stealing! But on the other hand, whilst in prison they are not free to bring misery on their victims. So put them inside and throw away the key.

I half agree here, but I wouldn't lock any of them up. Firstly they are to have a finger chopped off; their favourite one(Im deadly serious) so they can be recognised as thieves then they are to work except 50% of their take-home goes to replacing the expense they caused their victims and they have to face them to hand the amount back.

How quickly would theft overall plummet?

Pete the Brickie wrote:

Striking Cobra wrote:
Good old Pete the brickie - now even reading into another correspondents' comments to yet again have a go at the Police. Yawn Yawn
I know who I will be calling should I be so unfortunate to suffer a burglary and it won't be the Federation of Master Builders !!!!!

I'm not too sure you'd be doing the right thing in a burglary scenario though, as most builders would probably get there quicker as we have Transit vans which are faster than the typical NYP response of a single PCSO on a Dawes mountain bike. We are also statistically about as likely to catch the thief, can provide a quotation to repair the damage and start work instantly. Although I'd admit our organisation's members would struggle with what passes for real police work these days in that we are unable to provide a crime number for your insurance company.

The worst part is, Pete's really not far off!