Labour faces ‘dissent’ after shock resignation of Coun Lynn Jeffries

SOURCES within York’s ruling Labour party say there is dissent in its ranks following the shock resignation of one of its councillors.

The Press understands some members of the group fear at least one more councillor may be considering their position as the fall-out continues from the decision by equality campaigner Lynn Jeffries to quit the party this week.

Coun Jeffries, who represents Westfield on City of York Council , said cuts to social care for 184 vulnerable people were “the final straw”.

The Liberal Democrat group say the door was open for Coun Jeffries, who intends to continue as a councillor, to talk to them about joining. She said she had become disillusioned with Labour over a string of issues, including the proposed sale of the Union Terrace car park, the removal of litter bins in York and the closure of Beckfield Lane recycling centre.

Labour sources have now told The Press:

• The party’s response to Coun Jeffries’ resignation is to “try to pretend it never happened”, which is seen as “strange”.

• The group “doesn’t talk enough” and there is little group-wide debate on important matters. One source said: “If we get half-an-hour for the whole group to discuss a major issue, we’re lucky”.

• Concerns raised to the group’s leadership have “fallen on deaf ears” and there is no “strategy for involvement” or “proper dialogue”.

• Some members have become “too interested in jockeying for position” since Labour took council control.

However, Ken King , Labour councillor for Clifton , said: “When you have a large group, as we have, there can be discontent and differences of opinion, but people must realise that you have to abide by the majority, otherwise it leads to chaos.”

A Labour spokesman said: “The group does not make comment on speculation and anonymous remarks.”

Lib Dem leader Carol Runciman said her group would “obviously be interested” if Coun Jeffries wanted to speak to them, but added: “She has made a major decision and it’s important to remember that any approach must come from her, not us.”

Meanwhile, Coun Sonja Crisp , cabinet member for leisure, culture and tourism, has apologised for a twitter comment she posted following Coun Jeffries’ resignation, in which she said: “Rotten apple out the way and move on”.

She said yesterday: “This particular tweet was posted soon after I learned of the resignation of a colleague, which was obviously disappointing, particularly because I had counted Lynn as a friend as well as a colleague.

“Emotions were running high and I expressed a view in the heat of the moment which, with hindsight, I should have kept private. I apologise if the tweet caused any offence.”

Council leader James Alexander said: “It is now in the best interests of both Coun Jeffries and the Labour Party for each of us to move on, and I have written to Lynn wishing her the very best for the future.”

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9:48am Sat 25 Aug 12

ReginaldBiscuit says...

Get rid of the Weeble at the top. That's all we ask.

Tony Benn is aghast at the principles new tory labour stands for. So am I.
Get rid of the Weeble at the top. That's all we ask. Tony Benn is aghast at the principles new tory labour stands for. So am I. ReginaldBiscuit
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9:50am Sat 25 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

The rotten apples are Calamity James and Red Sonja. Until these two are gone Labour in York will continue to crumble.

The performance of Calamity James in particular is spectacular. To take the opportunity he was handed in May 2011 with everything in his favour and completely destroy it within only 15 months is quite amazing.

On the positive side his career is now well and truly over on the negative side we're stuck with him.

As for Red Sonja sooner she's gone the better. Incompetent and an unpleasant bully by the sounds of it
The rotten apples are Calamity James and Red Sonja. Until these two are gone Labour in York will continue to crumble. The performance of Calamity James in particular is spectacular. To take the opportunity he was handed in May 2011 with everything in his favour and completely destroy it within only 15 months is quite amazing. On the positive side his career is now well and truly over on the negative side we're stuck with him. As for Red Sonja sooner she's gone the better. Incompetent and an unpleasant bully by the sounds of it Torycouncil2015
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10:05am Sat 25 Aug 12

York1900 says...

Any one who is not tide to any party at the next council election will stand a better chance of getting elected
Any one who is not tide to any party at the next council election will stand a better chance of getting elected York1900
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10:08am Sat 25 Aug 12

yorkiemum says...

What a rude woman Cllr Crisp has become, to even say about colleagues being 'bad apples' is bad enough but to then make her opinion public on a social network site is so inappropriate, I think she has to either rein in her 'emotions' or if she is unable to show restraint, remove herself from Twitter!!!
What a rude woman Cllr Crisp has become, to even say about colleagues being 'bad apples' is bad enough but to then make her opinion public on a social network site is so inappropriate, I think she has to either rein in her 'emotions' or if she is unable to show restraint, remove herself from Twitter!!! yorkiemum
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10:16am Sat 25 Aug 12

capt spaulding says...

Cllr Crisp has shown us all what she is made of. Involving her fellow looney leftie James Alexander shows that they p** in the same pot.

To twitter such remarks for all to read shows not just a lack of judgement but outlines the full extent of the nastiness in our elected council.

Madame , Sir you are a disgrace do the decent thing and resign.
Cllr Crisp has shown us all what she is made of. Involving her fellow looney leftie James Alexander shows that they p** in the same pot. To twitter such remarks for all to read shows not just a lack of judgement but outlines the full extent of the nastiness in our elected council. Madame , Sir you are a disgrace do the decent thing and resign. capt spaulding
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10:36am Sat 25 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

And whoever it is considering - just go! Look what it's done for Cllr Jeffries
And whoever it is considering - just go! Look what it's done for Cllr Jeffries Torycouncil2015
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10:41am Sat 25 Aug 12

capt spaulding says...

Torycouncil2015 wrote:
And whoever it is considering - just go! Look what it's done for Cllr Jeffries
Yes she must be the most popular woman in York.

Well done Lynn.
[quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: And whoever it is considering - just go! Look what it's done for Cllr Jeffries[/p][/quote]Yes she must be the most popular woman in York. Well done Lynn. capt spaulding
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10:42am Sat 25 Aug 12

nowthen says...

yorkiemum wrote:
What a rude woman Cllr Crisp has become, to even say about colleagues being 'bad apples' is bad enough but to then make her opinion public on a social network site is so inappropriate, I think she has to either rein in her 'emotions' or if she is unable to show restraint, remove herself from Twitter!!!
Even worse to then try and squirm out of it by saying she was referring to "bad vibes " and then expect the electorate to swallow that story demonstrates her sheer arrogance. She must think we all have the intelligence of goldfish.
[quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: What a rude woman Cllr Crisp has become, to even say about colleagues being 'bad apples' is bad enough but to then make her opinion public on a social network site is so inappropriate, I think she has to either rein in her 'emotions' or if she is unable to show restraint, remove herself from Twitter!!![/p][/quote]Even worse to then try and squirm out of it by saying she was referring to "bad vibes " and then expect the electorate to swallow that story demonstrates her sheer arrogance. She must think we all have the intelligence of goldfish. nowthen
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11:09am Sat 25 Aug 12

pedalling paul says...

Those who enter politics, whether local or national, will generally accept the need for external unity. What seems to be at the heart of this issue, is the lack of internal debate and discussion beforehand. This has led in the past to policy confirmation being issued to the media, before or without internal debate with Councillors who represent affected wards, or who hold relevant portfolios.
The time may be ripe for long serving Labour Councillors to persuade JA to change his way of doing things. Otherwise we may revert to a hung Council at the next election......mind you that may not be a bad thing!
Those who enter politics, whether local or national, will generally accept the need for external unity. What seems to be at the heart of this issue, is the lack of internal debate and discussion beforehand. This has led in the past to policy confirmation being issued to the media, before or without internal debate with Councillors who represent affected wards, or who hold relevant portfolios. The time may be ripe for long serving Labour Councillors to persuade JA to change his way of doing things. Otherwise we may revert to a hung Council at the next election......mind you that may not be a bad thing! pedalling paul
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11:14am Sat 25 Aug 12

bolero says...

So coun. Crisp made her comment about rotten apples in the heat of the moment. That's what happens when things are said and decisions made without thought and debate. Take note Alexander.
So coun. Crisp made her comment about rotten apples in the heat of the moment. That's what happens when things are said and decisions made without thought and debate. Take note Alexander. bolero
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11:24am Sat 25 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

nowthen wrote:
yorkiemum wrote:
What a rude woman Cllr Crisp has become, to even say about colleagues being 'bad apples' is bad enough but to then make her opinion public on a social network site is so inappropriate, I think she has to either rein in her 'emotions' or if she is unable to show restraint, remove herself from Twitter!!!
Even worse to then try and squirm out of it by saying she was referring to "bad vibes " and then expect the electorate to swallow that story demonstrates her sheer arrogance. She must think we all have the intelligence of goldfish.
Yes it seems she set up a fake twitter account to ask herself to clarify her remarks, then stated it was not about Cllr Jeffries. Now she's in the Press apologising for saying it. So she's a disgrace and dishonest. Will she now apologise for the second tweet which was clearly a lie?
[quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: What a rude woman Cllr Crisp has become, to even say about colleagues being 'bad apples' is bad enough but to then make her opinion public on a social network site is so inappropriate, I think she has to either rein in her 'emotions' or if she is unable to show restraint, remove herself from Twitter!!![/p][/quote]Even worse to then try and squirm out of it by saying she was referring to "bad vibes " and then expect the electorate to swallow that story demonstrates her sheer arrogance. She must think we all have the intelligence of goldfish.[/p][/quote]Yes it seems she set up a fake twitter account to ask herself to clarify her remarks, then stated it was not about Cllr Jeffries. Now she's in the Press apologising for saying it. So she's a disgrace and dishonest. Will she now apologise for the second tweet which was clearly a lie? Torycouncil2015
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11:30am Sat 25 Aug 12

yorkiemum says...

Torycouncil2015 wrote:
nowthen wrote:
yorkiemum wrote:
What a rude woman Cllr Crisp has become, to even say about colleagues being 'bad apples' is bad enough but to then make her opinion public on a social network site is so inappropriate, I think she has to either rein in her 'emotions' or if she is unable to show restraint, remove herself from Twitter!!!
Even worse to then try and squirm out of it by saying she was referring to "bad vibes " and then expect the electorate to swallow that story demonstrates her sheer arrogance. She must think we all have the intelligence of goldfish.
Yes it seems she set up a fake twitter account to ask herself to clarify her remarks, then stated it was not about Cllr Jeffries. Now she's in the Press apologising for saying it. So she's a disgrace and dishonest. Will she now apologise for the second tweet which was clearly a lie?
I have just re read her statement in which she said she counted Lynne as a friend which makes her tweet even worse!! Bolero even if it was in the heat of the moment would you really put your thoughts on twitter? No excuse if she were in my school she would be red carded for being rude and for name calling
[quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: What a rude woman Cllr Crisp has become, to even say about colleagues being 'bad apples' is bad enough but to then make her opinion public on a social network site is so inappropriate, I think she has to either rein in her 'emotions' or if she is unable to show restraint, remove herself from Twitter!!![/p][/quote]Even worse to then try and squirm out of it by saying she was referring to "bad vibes " and then expect the electorate to swallow that story demonstrates her sheer arrogance. She must think we all have the intelligence of goldfish.[/p][/quote]Yes it seems she set up a fake twitter account to ask herself to clarify her remarks, then stated it was not about Cllr Jeffries. Now she's in the Press apologising for saying it. So she's a disgrace and dishonest. Will she now apologise for the second tweet which was clearly a lie?[/p][/quote]I have just re read her statement in which she said she counted Lynne as a friend which makes her tweet even worse!! Bolero even if it was in the heat of the moment would you really put your thoughts on twitter? No excuse if she were in my school she would be red carded for being rude and for name calling yorkiemum
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12:31pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

" The party’s response to Coun Jeffries’ resignation is to “try to pretend it never happened”, which is seen as “strange”.

It's Labour's default to bad news and mistakes. Honest guv, it weren't us ? !!!! Brush it under the carpet, and no one will notice.

Their arrogance is unbelieveable !
[quote] " The party’s response to Coun Jeffries’ resignation is to “try to pretend it never happened”, which is seen as “strange”. [/quote] It's Labour's default to bad news and mistakes. Honest guv, it weren't us ? !!!! Brush it under the carpet, and no one will notice. Their arrogance is unbelieveable ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:37pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Meanwhile, Coun Sonja Crisp , cabinet member for leisure, culture and tourism, has apologised for a twitter comment she posted following Coun Jeffries’ resignation, in which she said: “Rotten apple out the way and move on”.

She said yesterday: “This particular tweet was posted soon after I learned of the resignation of a colleague, which was obviously disappointing, particularly because I had counted Lynn as a friend as well as a colleague.

“Emotions were running high and I expressed a view in the heat of the moment which, with hindsight, I should have kept private. I apologise if the tweet caused any offence.”


Isn't this the problem - they (Labour Group) keep too many things 'private' like all their decisions taken without consultation. The one time a careless councillor lets her true feelings slip, it happens to be one who twitters insults like they have gone out of fashion? !!!

Time for 'Red Sonja' to do the right thing - RESIGN !
[quote] Meanwhile, Coun Sonja Crisp , cabinet member for leisure, culture and tourism, has apologised for a twitter comment she posted following Coun Jeffries’ resignation, in which she said: “Rotten apple out the way and move on”. She said yesterday: “This particular tweet was posted soon after I learned of the resignation of a colleague, which was obviously disappointing, particularly because I had counted Lynn as a friend as well as a colleague. “Emotions were running high and I expressed a view in the heat of the moment which, with hindsight, I should have kept private. I apologise if the tweet caused any offence.” [/quote] Isn't this the problem - they (Labour Group) keep too many things 'private' like all their decisions taken without consultation. The one time a careless councillor lets her true feelings slip, it happens to be one who twitters insults like they have gone out of fashion? !!! Time for 'Red Sonja' to do the right thing - RESIGN ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:52pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

The 'old guard' spokesman Ken King, has tried to calm things to protect the party's reputation, which, let's be honest, is now in tatters thanks to Alexander and Crisp. Labour councillors will now have to decide how they can rescue some confidence from York residents, and the obvious choice is to propose a vote of no confidence in their hapless, accident-prown, disaster of a leader. He should reflect on his many mistakes and his 15 months of failure and resign. Coun Crisp should do the same thing. They have both brought their party into disrepute, and their positions are untenable. They must surely GO ? !!!!
The 'old guard' spokesman Ken King, has tried to calm things to protect the party's reputation, which, let's be honest, is now in tatters thanks to Alexander and Crisp. Labour councillors will now have to decide how they can rescue some confidence from York residents, and the obvious choice is to propose a vote of no confidence in their hapless, accident-prown, disaster of a leader. He should reflect on his many mistakes and his 15 months of failure and resign. Coun Crisp should do the same thing. They have both brought their party into disrepute, and their positions are untenable. They must surely GO ? !!!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:05pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Overproof says...

Oh come on York Labour, pull your finger out. Now is the time for a leadership challenge. York needs a new leader to get things back on track.
Oh come on York Labour, pull your finger out. Now is the time for a leadership challenge. York needs a new leader to get things back on track. Overproof
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2:29pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Torkie says...

Terrible integrity at the top, nastiness, lies, arrogance.
Shameful behavior.
Terrible integrity at the top, nastiness, lies, arrogance. Shameful behavior. Torkie
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2:43pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Guy Fawkes says...

Those who enter politics, whether local or national, will generally accept the need for external unity.


This is known as the principle of collective responsibility, which ideally should apply all the way down from the General Assembly of the United Nations to CoYC's dog poo management sub-committee. Put simply, if you are an elected or nominated member of a decision-making body, then you are expected to support the decisions it makes. If you can't, you must go, and so this councillor has acted entirely properly in this case.

The quid pro quo is that you are supposed to be allowed an input to that collective body's decision-making process proportional to your constitutionally defined role on it. The problem is that autocratic leaders have a habit of forcing out those they disagree with by denying them that role and then obliging them to resign when they are consequently unable to support decisions made. And there is not always a happy ending for the people who are forced out, as principled resignees from the cabinet, from Michael Heseltine to Estelle Morris, have found out the hard way (their resignations ended their frontline careers).
[quote]Those who enter politics, whether local or national, will generally accept the need for external unity.[/quote] This is known as the principle of collective responsibility, which ideally should apply all the way down from the General Assembly of the United Nations to CoYC's dog poo management sub-committee. Put simply, if you are an elected or nominated member of a decision-making body, then you are expected to support the decisions it makes. If you can't, you must go, and so this councillor has acted entirely properly in this case. The quid pro quo is that you are supposed to be allowed an input to that collective body's decision-making process proportional to your constitutionally defined role on it. The problem is that autocratic leaders have a habit of forcing out those they disagree with by denying them that role and then obliging them to resign when they are consequently unable to support decisions made. And there is not always a happy ending for the people who are forced out, as principled resignees from the cabinet, from Michael Heseltine to Estelle Morris, have found out the hard way (their resignations ended their frontline careers). Guy Fawkes
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2:56pm Sat 25 Aug 12

marvell says...

If Cllr Alexander wanted to get rid of the perception that him and Cllr Crisp are at the heart of decision making and the Labour clique - he's doing nothing to dispel it. His latest tweet shows him and Sonya trying to use the Paralympic flame for shameless publicity.

Cllr Crisp is showing signs of being detached from the real world with some of her tweets. "I'm in the winning team" and "rid of rotten apples" - bonkers !!
If Cllr Alexander wanted to get rid of the perception that him and Cllr Crisp are at the heart of decision making and the Labour clique - he's doing nothing to dispel it. His latest tweet shows him and Sonya trying to use the Paralympic flame for shameless publicity. Cllr Crisp is showing signs of being detached from the real world with some of her tweets. "I'm in the winning team" and "rid of rotten apples" - bonkers !! marvell
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5:18pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Alf Garnett says...

Just goes to show what nutty ideas tweeting and facebooking are. One wouldn't nail signed copies of one's opinions about other people to the parish notice board, so why do it electronically ? Where does the law of libel, or defamation of character come in I wonder.
Just goes to show what nutty ideas tweeting and facebooking are. One wouldn't nail signed copies of one's opinions about other people to the parish notice board, so why do it electronically ? Where does the law of libel, or defamation of character come in I wonder. Alf Garnett
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6:11pm Sat 25 Aug 12

capt spaulding says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
Just goes to show what nutty ideas tweeting and facebooking are. One wouldn't nail signed copies of one's opinions about other people to the parish notice board, so why do it electronically ? Where does the law of libel, or defamation of character come in I wonder.
Quite so and the people of york elected these paragons of intelectual supremesy to their present positions with the idea that they would do some good for us all. Not to s**t on us from a great height. Which is what they are doing right now............dump away councillors the recconning is not far away.
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Just goes to show what nutty ideas tweeting and facebooking are. One wouldn't nail signed copies of one's opinions about other people to the parish notice board, so why do it electronically ? Where does the law of libel, or defamation of character come in I wonder.[/p][/quote]Quite so and the people of york elected these paragons of intelectual supremesy to their present positions with the idea that they would do some good for us all. Not to s**t on us from a great height. Which is what they are doing right now............dump away councillors the recconning is not far away. capt spaulding
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6:25pm Sat 25 Aug 12

ReginaldBiscuit says...

capt spaulding wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Just goes to show what nutty ideas tweeting and facebooking are. One wouldn't nail signed copies of one's opinions about other people to the parish notice board, so why do it electronically ? Where does the law of libel, or defamation of character come in I wonder.
Quite so and the people of york elected these paragons of intelectual supremesy to their present positions with the idea that they would do some good for us all. Not to s**t on us from a great height. Which is what they are doing right now............dump away councillors the recconning is not far away.
There's nothing intellectually supreme about the Weeble and Red Sonja. They're just average thinking apes seeking power and recognition.
[quote][p][bold]capt spaulding[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Just goes to show what nutty ideas tweeting and facebooking are. One wouldn't nail signed copies of one's opinions about other people to the parish notice board, so why do it electronically ? Where does the law of libel, or defamation of character come in I wonder.[/p][/quote]Quite so and the people of york elected these paragons of intelectual supremesy to their present positions with the idea that they would do some good for us all. Not to s**t on us from a great height. Which is what they are doing right now............dump away councillors the recconning is not far away.[/p][/quote]There's nothing intellectually supreme about the Weeble and Red Sonja. They're just average thinking apes seeking power and recognition. ReginaldBiscuit
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6:26pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
Just goes to show what nutty ideas tweeting and facebooking are. One wouldn't nail signed copies of one's opinions about other people to the parish notice board, so why do it electronically ? Where does the law of libel, or defamation of character come in I wonder.
Councillors must abide by a code of
Conduct which includes "treating people with respect". If anyone believes Cllr Crisp calling a fellow councillor a rotten apple was not treating a fellow councillor with respect they can report such actions ....,,,,,,.

That of course only covers her treatment of colleagues. I'm sure there's more to come from her bullying of staff.
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Just goes to show what nutty ideas tweeting and facebooking are. One wouldn't nail signed copies of one's opinions about other people to the parish notice board, so why do it electronically ? Where does the law of libel, or defamation of character come in I wonder.[/p][/quote]Councillors must abide by a code of Conduct which includes "treating people with respect". If anyone believes Cllr Crisp calling a fellow councillor a rotten apple was not treating a fellow councillor with respect they can report such actions ....,,,,,,. That of course only covers her treatment of colleagues. I'm sure there's more to come from her bullying of staff. Torycouncil2015
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6:56pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

marvell wrote:
If Cllr Alexander wanted to get rid of the perception that him and Cllr Crisp are at the heart of decision making and the Labour clique - he's doing nothing to dispel it. His latest tweet shows him and Sonya trying to use the Paralympic flame for shameless publicity. Cllr Crisp is showing signs of being detached from the real world with some of her tweets. "I'm in the winning team" and "rid of rotten apples" - bonkers !!
Seen the photo, and they look as much in love with themselves, as they always do.

Red Sonja is a great photo accessory for Coun Alexander - even in high heels she is still smaller than him, and makes him look tall - not a lot of women can do that - which tells us why he doesn't do photo's with 'Long shanks' Laing at his side.

Now awaiting someone to say, Alexander & Simpson-Laing - the Little and Large of York Comedy Politics ! What a laughing stock, eh ?
[quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: If Cllr Alexander wanted to get rid of the perception that him and Cllr Crisp are at the heart of decision making and the Labour clique - he's doing nothing to dispel it. His latest tweet shows him and Sonya trying to use the Paralympic flame for shameless publicity. Cllr Crisp is showing signs of being detached from the real world with some of her tweets. "I'm in the winning team" and "rid of rotten apples" - bonkers !![/p][/quote]Seen the photo, and they look as much in love with themselves, as they always do. Red Sonja is a great photo accessory for Coun Alexander - even in high heels she is still smaller than him, and makes him look tall - not a lot of women can do that - which tells us why he doesn't do photo's with 'Long shanks' Laing at his side. Now awaiting someone to say, Alexander & Simpson-Laing - the Little and Large of York Comedy Politics ! What a laughing stock, eh ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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8:17pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Priapus says...

First there was Galloway & Waller (Dick & Dom without the Dom) and now FatBoy and Red Sonja. I'd say it was a case of power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. But, in this case 'power' just means taking away wastebins.
First there was Galloway & Waller (Dick & Dom without the Dom) and now FatBoy and Red Sonja. I'd say it was a case of power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. But, in this case 'power' just means taking away wastebins. Priapus
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9:14pm Sat 25 Aug 12

pedalling paul says...

Seems to me that some commentators who attack Councillors policies and politics, are accompanying their democratic right to so do, with disgraceful personal attacks.
Seems to me that some commentators who attack Councillors policies and politics, are accompanying their democratic right to so do, with disgraceful personal attacks. pedalling paul
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9:31pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Seems to me that some commentators who attack Councillors policies and politics, are accompanying their democratic right to so do, with disgraceful personal attacks.
Yes and I will give two examples!

Councillor Alexander gave a vicious personal attack on Lynn Jeffries in his press comments after her resignation.

Councillor Crisp gave an even more vicious attack when she called Lynn Jeffries a 'rotten apple'

I know you were meaning non-councillors, but the truth is the most personal, offensive attacks have come from Labour councillors!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Seems to me that some commentators who attack Councillors policies and politics, are accompanying their democratic right to so do, with disgraceful personal attacks.[/p][/quote]Yes and I will give two examples! Councillor Alexander gave a vicious personal attack on Lynn Jeffries in his press comments after her resignation. Councillor Crisp gave an even more vicious attack when she called Lynn Jeffries a 'rotten apple' I know you were meaning non-councillors, but the truth is the most personal, offensive attacks have come from Labour councillors! Micklegate
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9:43pm Sat 25 Aug 12

mel_drew says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Seems to me that some commentators who attack Councillors policies and politics, are accompanying their democratic right to so do, with disgraceful personal attacks.
Perhaps some commentators feel that Ms Crisps' disgraceful personal "rotten apple" attack on a fellow councillor has lowered the bar on what can be regarded as an acceptable level of behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Seems to me that some commentators who attack Councillors policies and politics, are accompanying their democratic right to so do, with disgraceful personal attacks.[/p][/quote]Perhaps some commentators feel that Ms Crisps' disgraceful personal "rotten apple" attack on a fellow councillor has lowered the bar on what can be regarded as an acceptable level of behaviour. mel_drew
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9:44pm Sat 25 Aug 12

mel_drew says...

Hmm. As Micklegate has said!
Hmm. As Micklegate has said! mel_drew
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9:58pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Silver says...

Micklegate wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Seems to me that some commentators who attack Councillors policies and politics, are accompanying their democratic right to so do, with disgraceful personal attacks.
Yes and I will give two examples!

Councillor Alexander gave a vicious personal attack on Lynn Jeffries in his press comments after her resignation.

Councillor Crisp gave an even more vicious attack when she called Lynn Jeffries a 'rotten apple'

I know you were meaning non-councillors, but the truth is the most personal, offensive attacks have come from Labour councillors!
Well said Micklegate, we the public have been wholeheartedly in support of Lynn Jeffries and voiced our own opposition to such things on the forums of The Press that she has stood up for. It's stories that these make those of us who pay an interest in politics glad to know that not all politicians are scum.
Keep up the good work Lynn Jeffries!
[quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Seems to me that some commentators who attack Councillors policies and politics, are accompanying their democratic right to so do, with disgraceful personal attacks.[/p][/quote]Yes and I will give two examples! Councillor Alexander gave a vicious personal attack on Lynn Jeffries in his press comments after her resignation. Councillor Crisp gave an even more vicious attack when she called Lynn Jeffries a 'rotten apple' I know you were meaning non-councillors, but the truth is the most personal, offensive attacks have come from Labour councillors![/p][/quote]Well said Micklegate, we the public have been wholeheartedly in support of Lynn Jeffries and voiced our own opposition to such things on the forums of The Press that she has stood up for. It's stories that these make those of us who pay an interest in politics glad to know that not all politicians are scum. Keep up the good work Lynn Jeffries! Silver
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10:26pm Sat 25 Aug 12

mary poppins21 says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
The 'old guard' spokesman Ken King, has tried to calm things to protect the party's reputation, which, let's be honest, is now in tatters thanks to Alexander and Crisp. Labour councillors will now have to decide how they can rescue some confidence from York residents, and the obvious choice is to propose a vote of no confidence in their hapless, accident-prown, disaster of a leader. He should reflect on his many mistakes and his 15 months of failure and resign. Coun Crisp should do the same thing. They have both brought their party into disrepute, and their positions are untenable. They must surely GO ? !!!!
The Old Guard spokesman Ken King what a joke, another of Alexanders Lackies saying what he is told to say in order to keep his special allowance from the Fire Authority. All cllrs that do as they are told get special favours and special roles which give them a bigger income. They are all in it for the money nothing else and that is why both Alexander and Crisp will NOT resign. Maybe the cllrs without any extra allowances should stand up and speak out now.....
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: The 'old guard' spokesman Ken King, has tried to calm things to protect the party's reputation, which, let's be honest, is now in tatters thanks to Alexander and Crisp. Labour councillors will now have to decide how they can rescue some confidence from York residents, and the obvious choice is to propose a vote of no confidence in their hapless, accident-prown, disaster of a leader. He should reflect on his many mistakes and his 15 months of failure and resign. Coun Crisp should do the same thing. They have both brought their party into disrepute, and their positions are untenable. They must surely GO ? !!!![/p][/quote]The Old Guard spokesman Ken King what a joke, another of Alexanders Lackies saying what he is told to say in order to keep his special allowance from the Fire Authority. All cllrs that do as they are told get special favours and special roles which give them a bigger income. They are all in it for the money nothing else and that is why both Alexander and Crisp will NOT resign. Maybe the cllrs without any extra allowances should stand up and speak out now..... mary poppins21
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11:59pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

mary poppins21 wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
The 'old guard' spokesman Ken King, has tried to calm things to protect the party's reputation, which, let's be honest, is now in tatters thanks to Alexander and Crisp. Labour councillors will now have to decide how they can rescue some confidence from York residents, and the obvious choice is to propose a vote of no confidence in their hapless, accident-prown, disaster of a leader. He should reflect on his many mistakes and his 15 months of failure and resign. Coun Crisp should do the same thing. They have both brought their party into disrepute, and their positions are untenable. They must surely GO ? !!!!
The Old Guard spokesman Ken King what a joke, another of Alexanders Lackies saying what he is told to say in order to keep his special allowance from the Fire Authority. All cllrs that do as they are told get special favours and special roles which give them a bigger income. They are all in it for the money nothing else and that is why both Alexander and Crisp will NOT resign. Maybe the cllrs without any extra allowances should stand up and speak out now.....
Tricky. I think Calamity James made sure they all got pay packets. Old Anna Semlyn was getting a bit twitchy BOOM chair of Economic Scrutiny £4k pa buys those votes back. Barbara Boyce - BOOM £6k a year chair of something or other buys her making anonymous comments on the Press site (though not that anonymous because she's stupid enough to use her twitter name)
[quote][p][bold]mary poppins21[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: The 'old guard' spokesman Ken King, has tried to calm things to protect the party's reputation, which, let's be honest, is now in tatters thanks to Alexander and Crisp. Labour councillors will now have to decide how they can rescue some confidence from York residents, and the obvious choice is to propose a vote of no confidence in their hapless, accident-prown, disaster of a leader. He should reflect on his many mistakes and his 15 months of failure and resign. Coun Crisp should do the same thing. They have both brought their party into disrepute, and their positions are untenable. They must surely GO ? !!!![/p][/quote]The Old Guard spokesman Ken King what a joke, another of Alexanders Lackies saying what he is told to say in order to keep his special allowance from the Fire Authority. All cllrs that do as they are told get special favours and special roles which give them a bigger income. They are all in it for the money nothing else and that is why both Alexander and Crisp will NOT resign. Maybe the cllrs without any extra allowances should stand up and speak out now.....[/p][/quote]Tricky. I think Calamity James made sure they all got pay packets. Old Anna Semlyn was getting a bit twitchy BOOM chair of Economic Scrutiny £4k pa buys those votes back. Barbara Boyce - BOOM £6k a year chair of something or other buys her making anonymous comments on the Press site (though not that anonymous because she's stupid enough to use her twitter name) Torycouncil2015
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9:01am Sun 26 Aug 12

Caecilius says...

I was given an account last week of a conversation between James Alexander and a taxi driver outside York station. Now, obviously, I wasn't there and am only reporting what I've been told but, acording to the driver, a man got into his taxi and said "I suppose you're going to have a go at me". Baffled, the driver asked why on earth he would do that. The other man, who had apparently assumed (wrongly) that he would be instantly recognised by everyone in York, then introduced himself as James Alexander and invited the driver to ask him what he was going to do about the traffic issues outside the station. "OK, then," said the driver. "What are you going to do about it?". "Nothing," replied the man claiming to be James Alexander, "because there's no money in the budget."

Of course, he may have been someone having a laugh by pretending to be Coun Alexander, though that would have fallen a bit flat if the taxi driver had actually known what the councillor looks like. But, even if he had been, it would kind of suggest that the Council leader is seen as a figure of derision. Anyway, the driver believed him, and gave a blistering,one-word evaluation of the bloke he'd been talking to that I can't repeat here.

As for the news that there is "dissent in the ranks", I think that's been fairly common knowledge for a while. I've certainly heard it suggested that at least one Cabinet member recognised a particular Alexander-driven decision as ludicrous.
I was given an account last week of a conversation between James Alexander and a taxi driver outside York station. Now, obviously, I wasn't there and am only reporting what I've been told but, acording to the driver, a man got into his taxi and said "I suppose you're going to have a go at me". Baffled, the driver asked why on earth he would do that. The other man, who had apparently assumed (wrongly) that he would be instantly recognised by everyone in York, then introduced himself as James Alexander and invited the driver to ask him what he was going to do about the traffic issues outside the station. "OK, then," said the driver. "What are you going to do about it?". "Nothing," replied the man claiming to be James Alexander, "because there's no money in the budget." Of course, he may have been someone having a laugh by pretending to be Coun Alexander, though that would have fallen a bit flat if the taxi driver had actually known what the councillor looks like. But, even if he had been, it would kind of suggest that the Council leader is seen as a figure of derision. Anyway, the driver believed him, and gave a blistering,one-word evaluation of the bloke he'd been talking to that I can't repeat here. As for the news that there is "dissent in the ranks", I think that's been fairly common knowledge for a while. I've certainly heard it suggested that at least one Cabinet member recognised a particular Alexander-driven decision as ludicrous. Caecilius
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11:33am Sun 26 Aug 12

York1900 says...

A Message To All York Labour Councilors

1. Do York A Favor By Having A Vote Of No Confidence In Mr J Alexander
2. Or Quit The Labour Party In York But Do Not Join Any Other Party

Option 2 Would Give You The Power To See Your Ward Get What It Should Get And Not Be Bulldozed By One Or Two Of The Councilors In The Party Just Because They Want To Do It


Remember You Are There To Do The Bidding Of Your Ward And The People Of York Not To Be Zombies Of The Party .



'
A Message To All York Labour Councilors 1. Do York A Favor By Having A Vote Of No Confidence In Mr J Alexander 2. Or Quit The Labour Party In York But Do Not Join Any Other Party Option 2 Would Give You The Power To See Your Ward Get What It Should Get And Not Be Bulldozed By One Or Two Of The Councilors In The Party Just Because They Want To Do It Remember You Are There To Do The Bidding Of Your Ward And The People Of York Not To Be Zombies Of The Party . ' York1900
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11:59am Sun 26 Aug 12

Indigi says...

Just not Crisp and Sidley tweets at a stand still since the disagraceful 'bad apple' comments.Also Alexanders other than the Olympic torch pic they musceled in on. I wonder who is pulling alabour group puppet strings now. Maybe Daffyd Williams. Oh no it can't be him he only does councillor work one day a week!
Just not Crisp and Sidley tweets at a stand still since the disagraceful 'bad apple' comments.Also Alexanders other than the Olympic torch pic they musceled in on. I wonder who is pulling alabour group puppet strings now. Maybe Daffyd Williams. Oh no it can't be him he only does councillor work one day a week! Indigi
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1:22pm Sun 26 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Indigi wrote:
Just not Crisp and Sidley tweets at a stand still since the disagraceful 'bad apple' comments.Also Alexanders other than the Olympic torch pic they musceled in on. I wonder who is pulling alabour group puppet strings now. Maybe Daffyd Williams. Oh no it can't be him he only does councillor work one day a week!
'Long shanks' Laing is still singing like a canary on twitter, so she is no doubt calling the shots in the absence of the discredited Chairman Alexander and his two snakes in the grass, 'Red Sonja' Crisp & 'Sid Hissing Vicious' Sidley.

Just like Long shanks favourite team, Liverpool, York Labour Group are now at the bottom of the league. How does it feel, Sonja, to be on the losing team ? The team that lost Ruth Potter, Sandy Fraser, Lynn Jeffries, and it's way ?
[quote][p][bold]Indigi[/bold] wrote: Just not Crisp and Sidley tweets at a stand still since the disagraceful 'bad apple' comments.Also Alexanders other than the Olympic torch pic they musceled in on. I wonder who is pulling alabour group puppet strings now. Maybe Daffyd Williams. Oh no it can't be him he only does councillor work one day a week![/p][/quote]'Long shanks' Laing is still singing like a canary on twitter, so she is no doubt calling the shots in the absence of the discredited Chairman Alexander and his two snakes in the grass, 'Red Sonja' Crisp & 'Sid Hissing Vicious' Sidley. Just like Long shanks favourite team, Liverpool, York Labour Group are now at the bottom of the league. How does it feel, Sonja, to be on the losing team ? The team that lost Ruth Potter, Sandy Fraser, Lynn Jeffries, and it's way ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:21pm Sun 26 Aug 12

capt spaulding says...

House of cards all over.

Only a matter of time now.

Will they do the decent thing ?

Sadly i dont think they will.

If we could have a local election now it would be a walk over getting rid of this lot.
Lets just hope the electorate have long enough memories if not we will remind them at the time.

York 1900 has it about right independants with York at its heart and not a dictatorship leader calling the shots. We deserve better than this.
House of cards all over. Only a matter of time now. Will they do the decent thing ? Sadly i dont think they will. If we could have a local election now it would be a walk over getting rid of this lot. Lets just hope the electorate have long enough memories if not we will remind them at the time. York 1900 has it about right independants with York at its heart and not a dictatorship leader calling the shots. We deserve better than this. capt spaulding
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2:42pm Sun 26 Aug 12

Indigi says...

"'Long shanks' Laing is still singing like a canary on twitter, so she is no doubt calling the shots in the absence of the discredited Chairman Alexander and his two snakes in the grass, 'Red Sonja' Crisp & 'Sid Hissing Vicious' Sidley"

I think she has been been the main problem for Lynn Jeffries. Her attitude and understanding of disabled people is totally Dis-abling. God I hope we can get them all out. Independence has to be the way forward. I hope Lynn speaks out about Lanky Laing We need to know.
"'Long shanks' Laing is still singing like a canary on twitter, so she is no doubt calling the shots in the absence of the discredited Chairman Alexander and his two snakes in the grass, 'Red Sonja' Crisp & 'Sid Hissing Vicious' Sidley" I think she has been been the main problem for Lynn Jeffries. Her attitude and understanding of disabled people is totally Dis-abling. God I hope we can get them all out. Independence has to be the way forward. I hope Lynn speaks out about Lanky Laing We need to know. Indigi
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3:43pm Sun 26 Aug 12

capt spaulding says...

I want to know come on Lynn youve come this far help us all. Help us out.
I want to know come on Lynn youve come this far help us all. Help us out. capt spaulding
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7:14pm Sun 26 Aug 12

Silver says...

Lets just have elections, without political parties, we get representative coverage, then they take turns chairing each and every meeting regardless of importance so all voices get heard and then a consensual agreement on how to do things for the best of the city. That way it's a debated topic with the majority rule without anyone following a party guideline. It's probably too idealistic to actually work here but we don't need political parties in power to get the bins emptied, schools well run etc.
Lets just have elections, without political parties, we get representative coverage, then they take turns chairing each and every meeting regardless of importance so all voices get heard and then a consensual agreement on how to do things for the best of the city. That way it's a debated topic with the majority rule without anyone following a party guideline. It's probably too idealistic to actually work here but we don't need political parties in power to get the bins emptied, schools well run etc. Silver
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1:05am Mon 27 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Nice one Idigi, love the 'Lanky Laing' nickname. I hope Berwick Khaler is paying attention, as there are lots of characters for him to include in this years panto. We've also got 'Calamity James', 'Cursing Crisp' 'Mao Te Merrett' and 'Hissing Sidley'. Can you think of any more ?
Nice one Idigi, love the 'Lanky Laing' nickname. I hope Berwick Khaler is paying attention, as there are lots of characters for him to include in this years panto. We've also got 'Calamity James', 'Cursing Crisp' 'Mao Te Merrett' and 'Hissing Sidley'. Can you think of any more ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:50pm Mon 27 Aug 12

Indigi says...

Bitchy Boyce could be a contender!
Bitchy Boyce could be a contender! Indigi
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12:54pm Mon 27 Aug 12

Indigi says...

What about vinigar crisp!
What about vinigar crisp! Indigi
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2:08pm Mon 27 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

Torycouncil2015 wrote:
mary poppins21 wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
The 'old guard' spokesman Ken King, has tried to calm things to protect the party's reputation, which, let's be honest, is now in tatters thanks to Alexander and Crisp. Labour councillors will now have to decide how they can rescue some confidence from York residents, and the obvious choice is to propose a vote of no confidence in their hapless, accident-prown, disaster of a leader. He should reflect on his many mistakes and his 15 months of failure and resign. Coun Crisp should do the same thing. They have both brought their party into disrepute, and their positions are untenable. They must surely GO ? !!!!
The Old Guard spokesman Ken King what a joke, another of Alexanders Lackies saying what he is told to say in order to keep his special allowance from the Fire Authority. All cllrs that do as they are told get special favours and special roles which give them a bigger income. They are all in it for the money nothing else and that is why both Alexander and Crisp will NOT resign. Maybe the cllrs without any extra allowances should stand up and speak out now.....
Tricky. I think Calamity James made sure they all got pay packets. Old Anna Semlyn was getting a bit twitchy BOOM chair of Economic Scrutiny £4k pa buys those votes back. Barbara Boyce - BOOM £6k a year chair of something or other buys her making anonymous comments on the Press site (though not that anonymous because she's stupid enough to use her twitter name)
I think the Semelyn one is more about forward planning. It looks like they are (rightly) moving away from full 20mph in residential areas. 20mph is the only issue Semelyn cares about so she won't be happy......until of course she checks the bank balance and then she is reminded to grin and bare it!
[quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mary poppins21[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: The 'old guard' spokesman Ken King, has tried to calm things to protect the party's reputation, which, let's be honest, is now in tatters thanks to Alexander and Crisp. Labour councillors will now have to decide how they can rescue some confidence from York residents, and the obvious choice is to propose a vote of no confidence in their hapless, accident-prown, disaster of a leader. He should reflect on his many mistakes and his 15 months of failure and resign. Coun Crisp should do the same thing. They have both brought their party into disrepute, and their positions are untenable. They must surely GO ? !!!![/p][/quote]The Old Guard spokesman Ken King what a joke, another of Alexanders Lackies saying what he is told to say in order to keep his special allowance from the Fire Authority. All cllrs that do as they are told get special favours and special roles which give them a bigger income. They are all in it for the money nothing else and that is why both Alexander and Crisp will NOT resign. Maybe the cllrs without any extra allowances should stand up and speak out now.....[/p][/quote]Tricky. I think Calamity James made sure they all got pay packets. Old Anna Semlyn was getting a bit twitchy BOOM chair of Economic Scrutiny £4k pa buys those votes back. Barbara Boyce - BOOM £6k a year chair of something or other buys her making anonymous comments on the Press site (though not that anonymous because she's stupid enough to use her twitter name)[/p][/quote]I think the Semelyn one is more about forward planning. It looks like they are (rightly) moving away from full 20mph in residential areas. 20mph is the only issue Semelyn cares about so she won't be happy......until of course she checks the bank balance and then she is reminded to grin and bare it! Micklegate
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2:09pm Mon 27 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

Caecilius wrote:
I was given an account last week of a conversation between James Alexander and a taxi driver outside York station. Now, obviously, I wasn't there and am only reporting what I've been told but, acording to the driver, a man got into his taxi and said "I suppose you're going to have a go at me". Baffled, the driver asked why on earth he would do that. The other man, who had apparently assumed (wrongly) that he would be instantly recognised by everyone in York, then introduced himself as James Alexander and invited the driver to ask him what he was going to do about the traffic issues outside the station. "OK, then," said the driver. "What are you going to do about it?". "Nothing," replied the man claiming to be James Alexander, "because there's no money in the budget."

Of course, he may have been someone having a laugh by pretending to be Coun Alexander, though that would have fallen a bit flat if the taxi driver had actually known what the councillor looks like. But, even if he had been, it would kind of suggest that the Council leader is seen as a figure of derision. Anyway, the driver believed him, and gave a blistering,one-word evaluation of the bloke he'd been talking to that I can't repeat here.

As for the news that there is "dissent in the ranks", I think that's been fairly common knowledge for a while. I've certainly heard it suggested that at least one Cabinet member recognised a particular Alexander-driven decision as ludicrous.
I would have no doubt that is true, the guy is nothing but an ego
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: I was given an account last week of a conversation between James Alexander and a taxi driver outside York station. Now, obviously, I wasn't there and am only reporting what I've been told but, acording to the driver, a man got into his taxi and said "I suppose you're going to have a go at me". Baffled, the driver asked why on earth he would do that. The other man, who had apparently assumed (wrongly) that he would be instantly recognised by everyone in York, then introduced himself as James Alexander and invited the driver to ask him what he was going to do about the traffic issues outside the station. "OK, then," said the driver. "What are you going to do about it?". "Nothing," replied the man claiming to be James Alexander, "because there's no money in the budget." Of course, he may have been someone having a laugh by pretending to be Coun Alexander, though that would have fallen a bit flat if the taxi driver had actually known what the councillor looks like. But, even if he had been, it would kind of suggest that the Council leader is seen as a figure of derision. Anyway, the driver believed him, and gave a blistering,one-word evaluation of the bloke he'd been talking to that I can't repeat here. As for the news that there is "dissent in the ranks", I think that's been fairly common knowledge for a while. I've certainly heard it suggested that at least one Cabinet member recognised a particular Alexander-driven decision as ludicrous.[/p][/quote]I would have no doubt that is true, the guy is nothing but an ego Micklegate
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2:11pm Mon 27 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

Indigi wrote:
What about vinigar crisp!
I am not sure vinegar is as bitter as Crisp!
[quote][p][bold]Indigi[/bold] wrote: What about vinigar crisp![/p][/quote]I am not sure vinegar is as bitter as Crisp! Micklegate
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2:40pm Mon 27 Aug 12

eboracum99 says...

I hope that the councillor considering their position is from my ward as i told both of them not to talk to me again as they voted for the cuts and we in the ward did not vote for them to do that and one of them is very disabled!. Also i contacted two people i know from London and someone else sorry i cannot give more details at the moment and i am hoping that the cabal in the Guildhall is in for a very very BIG surprise! Have a good bank holiday folks.
I hope that the councillor considering their position is from my ward as i told both of them not to talk to me again as they voted for the cuts and we in the ward did not vote for them to do that and one of them is very disabled!. Also i contacted two people i know from London and someone else sorry i cannot give more details at the moment and i am hoping that the cabal in the Guildhall is in for a very very BIG surprise! Have a good bank holiday folks. eboracum99
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4:08pm Mon 27 Aug 12

mel_drew says...

Two people from London?? Steady on! I don't think we're ready for associates of the late Bricktop and Bullet Tooth Tony yet!
Two people from London?? Steady on! I don't think we're ready for associates of the late Bricktop and Bullet Tooth Tony yet! mel_drew
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1:54pm Tue 28 Aug 12

Theapplesarecoming says...

Let's destroy these idiots at the next election , forget the usual parties time for a change and someone reliable
Let's destroy these idiots at the next election , forget the usual parties time for a change and someone reliable Theapplesarecoming
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2:17pm Tue 28 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Theapplesarecoming wrote:
Let's destroy these idiots at the next election , forget the usual parties time for a change and someone reliable
Agreed.

York needs councillors who will make decisions for the benefit of York and it's people, not party politics. The policies and decisions that Alexander and a handful of Labour councillors are making are opposed by the majority, and their arrogance is breathtaking. We must not let this bunch of lying cheats to win again in 2015.
[quote][p][bold]Theapplesarecoming[/bold] wrote: Let's destroy these idiots at the next election , forget the usual parties time for a change and someone reliable[/p][/quote]Agreed. York needs councillors who will make decisions for the benefit of York and it's people, not party politics. The policies and decisions that Alexander and a handful of Labour councillors are making are opposed by the majority, and their arrogance is breathtaking. We must not let this bunch of lying cheats to win again in 2015. Scarlet Pimpernel
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9:19am Wed 29 Aug 12

Jezreel says...

Applesarecoming. You are oddly reticent about spelling out who this "someone reliable" is. We are all agog. Do tell us more. If you have someone reliable you can count on our vote.
Its not just some old clapped out UKIP bigot is it? In which case thanks, but no thanks
Applesarecoming. You are oddly reticent about spelling out who this "someone reliable" is. We are all agog. Do tell us more. If you have someone reliable you can count on our vote. Its not just some old clapped out UKIP bigot is it? In which case thanks, but no thanks Jezreel
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10:13am Wed 29 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

jame alexander and his cronies along with the sidekick dan sidley need to go now, go away from york!! you and your false labour people are just in it for your own agenda's and not for the people of york!

you lot do not represent the majority of the york people!

you are a disgrace!!

and york is becoming a disgrace!!

and whilst we are having a rant, how much money (if any) as been donated to dan sidleys charity from council tax funds?
jame alexander and his cronies along with the sidekick dan sidley need to go now, go away from york!! you and your false labour people are just in it for your own agenda's and not for the people of york! you lot do not represent the majority of the york people! you are a disgrace!! and york is becoming a disgrace!! and whilst we are having a rant, how much money (if any) as been donated to dan sidleys charity from council tax funds? oi oi savaloy
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12:51pm Wed 29 Aug 12

meme says...

I have been involved in trying to get serious discussions on serious subjects with the likes of JA/Tracy Simpson Laing/D Merritt and Red Sonia for many years but its clear all they will listen too is thier own views and bugger anyone else.
They have heavily poiticised views and you will see why democracy and discussion does not exist in our council anymore
York's become a joke and run like a Communist state which some of the above would welcome anyway and is not doing any of us any good at all
I have been involved in trying to get serious discussions on serious subjects with the likes of JA/Tracy Simpson Laing/D Merritt and Red Sonia for many years but its clear all they will listen too is thier own views and bugger anyone else. They have heavily poiticised views [look up the memberships of people like DM and TSL to see how far left they really lean] and you will see why democracy and discussion does not exist in our council anymore York's become a joke and run like a Communist state which some of the above would welcome anyway and is not doing any of us any good at all meme
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1:13pm Wed 29 Aug 12

Jezreel says...

Meme ruins the case with overkill. Eg "York is like a communist state". Meme, Labour was democratically elected last May. They got a thumping majority because everyone was so sick of the disasterous Lib-dem administration. So Labour now has 26 seats, more than all the other parties combined. Have some respect for the democratic process.

If you want to beat them, develop an alternative programme and get some candidates to campaign for it. Abandon any hope that Labour will resign because of sniping on the letters page.

You say they won't get into discussions with you, but why should they? Where is your mandate, or do you speak only on behalf of yourself?

Stop griping and lets see some alternative policies.
Meme ruins the case with overkill. Eg "York is like a communist state". Meme, Labour was democratically elected last May. They got a thumping majority because everyone was so sick of the disasterous Lib-dem administration. So Labour now has 26 seats, more than all the other parties combined. Have some respect for the democratic process. If you want to beat them, develop an alternative programme and get some candidates to campaign for it. Abandon any hope that Labour will resign because of sniping on the letters page. You say they won't get into discussions with you, but why should they? Where is your mandate, or do you speak only on behalf of yourself? Stop griping and lets see some alternative policies. Jezreel
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1:49pm Wed 29 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Jezreel wrote:
Meme ruins the case with overkill. Eg "York is like a communist state". Meme, Labour was democratically elected last May. They got a thumping majority because everyone was so sick of the disasterous Lib-dem administration. So Labour now has 26 seats, more than all the other parties combined. Have some respect for the democratic process. If you want to beat them, develop an alternative programme and get some candidates to campaign for it. Abandon any hope that Labour will resign because of sniping on the letters page. You say they won't get into discussions with you, but why should they? Where is your mandate, or do you speak only on behalf of yourself? Stop griping and lets see some alternative policies.
Aren't you listening ? Meme has been putting forward suggestions to Alexander and his ragtag band of would be communists for years, but, they ignore him/her. Meme doesn't need a mandate, he is a York resident, and the council work for him - they should listen and make decisions/policies that solve problems, but, instead they do the opposite and cause problems.

It's clear, after the wrongs confirmed by Lynn Jeffries, that Alexander's running of the council with a handful of arrogant, bullying Labour loonies, is as undemocratic as a despotic regime. The majority of York people are unhappy with the incumbents, and they will lose the next local election. Alexander looks like an incompetent, reclacitrant, egotistical child, compared with Steve Galloway, and the latter will regain his seat next time around, along with lots of independents taking seats from Labour.
[quote][p][bold]Jezreel[/bold] wrote: Meme ruins the case with overkill. Eg "York is like a communist state". Meme, Labour was democratically elected last May. They got a thumping majority because everyone was so sick of the disasterous Lib-dem administration. So Labour now has 26 seats, more than all the other parties combined. Have some respect for the democratic process. If you want to beat them, develop an alternative programme and get some candidates to campaign for it. Abandon any hope that Labour will resign because of sniping on the letters page. You say they won't get into discussions with you, but why should they? Where is your mandate, or do you speak only on behalf of yourself? Stop griping and lets see some alternative policies.[/p][/quote]Aren't you listening ? Meme has been putting forward suggestions to Alexander and his ragtag band of would be communists for years, but, they ignore him/her. Meme doesn't need a mandate, he is a York resident, and the council work for him - they should listen and make decisions/policies that solve problems, but, instead they do the opposite and cause problems. It's clear, after the wrongs confirmed by Lynn Jeffries, that Alexander's running of the council with a handful of arrogant, bullying Labour loonies, is as undemocratic as a despotic regime. The majority of York people are unhappy with the incumbents, and they will lose the next local election. Alexander looks like an incompetent, reclacitrant, egotistical child, compared with Steve Galloway, and the latter will regain his seat next time around, along with lots of independents taking seats from Labour. Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:38pm Wed 29 Aug 12

Jezreel says...

Matthew, calm down. Think of your ticker.
You are wrong when you say The majority of York people are unhappy with the incumbents. Wishing doesn't make it so. Here is the latest test of York public opinion on 5th May last year

Labour has 26 seats.
Conservatives 10 seats.
Liberal Democrat 8 seats.
The Greens 2 seats.
Independent 1seat.

UKIP nowt

This has altered by one since Lynn's defection.
If you have more accurate figures please produce them
Matthew, calm down. Think of your ticker. You are wrong when you say The majority of York people are unhappy with the incumbents. Wishing doesn't make it so. Here is the latest test of York public opinion on 5th May last year Labour has 26 seats. Conservatives 10 seats. Liberal Democrat 8 seats. The Greens 2 seats. Independent 1seat. UKIP nowt This has altered by one since Lynn's defection. If you have more accurate figures please produce them Jezreel
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4:44pm Wed 29 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Glad to see that James Alexander is getting to grips with York's serious issues........ as can be seen by his latest tweet :-

James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982
I have just nominated Walmgate's 'Mumbai Lounge' as best newcomer in the national British Curry Awards

This is one of his three tweets today. One was about his photo in the press whilst visiting the hospital last week, which he also posted on twitter, last week. The other is about him once living around the corner from another Curry House 'Bombay Spice' !

If James is kicked out of his council leaders job, he can at least become a curry house critic for the press ? Lol !
Glad to see that James Alexander is getting to grips with York's serious issues........ as can be seen by his latest tweet :- James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 I have just nominated Walmgate's 'Mumbai Lounge' as best newcomer in the national British Curry Awards This is one of his three tweets today. One was about his photo in the press whilst visiting the hospital last week, which he also posted on twitter, last week. The other is about him once living around the corner from another Curry House 'Bombay Spice' ! If James is kicked out of his council leaders job, he can at least become a curry house critic for the press ? Lol ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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4:50pm Wed 29 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Jezreel wrote:
Matthew, calm down. Think of your ticker. You are wrong when you say The majority of York people are unhappy with the incumbents. Wishing doesn't make it so. Here is the latest test of York public opinion on 5th May last year Labour has 26 seats. Conservatives 10 seats. Liberal Democrat 8 seats. The Greens 2 seats. Independent 1seat. UKIP nowt This has altered by one since Lynn's defection. If you have more accurate figures please produce them
Labour got a total of 55,619 votes in the 2011 Local Elections. The other parties got a combined 93,684 votes. Therefore more people voted against them than for them - the majority of people in York do not support Labour !
[quote][p][bold]Jezreel[/bold] wrote: Matthew, calm down. Think of your ticker. You are wrong when you say The majority of York people are unhappy with the incumbents. Wishing doesn't make it so. Here is the latest test of York public opinion on 5th May last year Labour has 26 seats. Conservatives 10 seats. Liberal Democrat 8 seats. The Greens 2 seats. Independent 1seat. UKIP nowt This has altered by one since Lynn's defection. If you have more accurate figures please produce them[/p][/quote]Labour got a total of 55,619 votes in the 2011 Local Elections. The other parties got a combined 93,684 votes. Therefore more people voted against them than for them - the majority of people in York do not support Labour ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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4:55pm Wed 29 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Labour seats are easier to win.

The average Labour seat requires 2,139 votes, compared with Conservatives at 3,244 votes, Lib-Dems at 4,884 and Greens 8,991.
Labour seats are easier to win. The average Labour seat requires 2,139 votes, compared with Conservatives at 3,244 votes, Lib-Dems at 4,884 and Greens 8,991. Scarlet Pimpernel
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4:58pm Wed 29 Aug 12

Jezreel says...

Matthew,
Labour has got 26 seats in York last year, more than all the other parties together.

You say nobody supports them.

There's a porky being told. Who has got it right, you or the electoral returning officer ?
Matthew, Labour has got 26 seats in York last year, more than all the other parties together. You say nobody supports them. There's a porky being told. Who has got it right, you or the electoral returning officer ? Jezreel
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8:54pm Wed 29 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Glad to see that James Alexander is getting to grips with York's serious issues........ as can be seen by his latest tweet :- James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 I have just nominated Walmgate's 'Mumbai Lounge' as best newcomer in the national British Curry Awards This is one of his three tweets today. One was about his photo in the press whilst visiting the hospital last week, which he also posted on twitter, last week. The other is about him once living around the corner from another Curry House 'Bombay Spice' ! If James is kicked out of his council leaders job, he can at least become a curry house critic for the press ? Lol !
LOL! Saw that tweet myself.

Mumbai Lounge is in Fossgate not Walmgate.

Surely JA isn't so out of touch he doesn't even know our own streets?
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Glad to see that James Alexander is getting to grips with York's serious issues........ as can be seen by his latest tweet :- James Alexander ‏@jmalexander1982 I have just nominated Walmgate's 'Mumbai Lounge' as best newcomer in the national British Curry Awards This is one of his three tweets today. One was about his photo in the press whilst visiting the hospital last week, which he also posted on twitter, last week. The other is about him once living around the corner from another Curry House 'Bombay Spice' ! If James is kicked out of his council leaders job, he can at least become a curry house critic for the press ? Lol ![/p][/quote]LOL! Saw that tweet myself. Mumbai Lounge is in Fossgate not Walmgate. Surely JA isn't so out of touch he doesn't even know our own streets? Buzz Light-year
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9:10pm Wed 29 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Jezreel wrote:
Matthew,
Labour has got 26 seats in York last year, more than all the other parties together.

You say nobody supports them.

There's a porky being told. Who has got it right, you or the electoral returning officer ?
There you go agaiin, twisting things..... I didn't say nobody supports Labour in York. I said, the majority of people don't support them, and I expect that many who voted for them in 2011 would not vote for them now.
[quote][p][bold]Jezreel[/bold] wrote: Matthew, Labour has got 26 seats in York last year, more than all the other parties together. You say nobody supports them. There's a porky being told. Who has got it right, you or the electoral returning officer ?[/p][/quote]There you go agaiin, twisting things..... I didn't say nobody supports Labour in York. I said, the majority of people don't support them, and I expect that many who voted for them in 2011 would not vote for them now. Scarlet Pimpernel
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11:31pm Wed 29 Aug 12

Jezreel says...

Matthew. Let me talk you through it.

If you keep saying daft things like the majority don't support Labour when the election results prove the opposite, then nobody will believe you when you get something right.
You are undermining your own credibility, and you can't afford to do that.
Matthew. Let me talk you through it. If you keep saying daft things like the majority don't support Labour when the election results prove the opposite, then nobody will believe you when you get something right. You are undermining your own credibility, and you can't afford to do that. Jezreel
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10:36am Thu 30 Aug 12

mel_drew says...

There's none so blind as them that will not see.

Total votes cast in the 1911 local election - 147303.

Votes cast for Labour - 55619.

Votes cast for others - 91684.

The majority of voters did not vote for Labour.
There's none so blind as them that will not see. Total votes cast in the 1911 local election - 147303. Votes cast for Labour - 55619. Votes cast for others - 91684. The majority of voters did not vote for Labour. mel_drew
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12:15pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Thank you mel_drew, for putting Jezreel right.

BTW, just wanted to correct your small mistake with the date - you meant the '2011' local election (not 1911).
Thank you mel_drew, for putting Jezreel right. BTW, just wanted to correct your small mistake with the date - you meant the '2011' local election (not 1911). Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:05pm Thu 30 Aug 12

mel_drew says...

Erm - whoops!

Where are the red faced smilies on here?
Erm - whoops! Where are the red faced smilies on here? mel_drew
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10:41am Fri 31 Aug 12

Hoofarted says...

None so blind as them who can't accept the polling results.

The Labour landslide in York last year, occurred when popularity was still mediocre for the Tory cuts on local Government. Since then, their popularity is on it's ( )( )

Ding Dong!!! Medication time
None so blind as them who can't accept the polling results. The Labour landslide in York last year, occurred when popularity was still mediocre for the Tory cuts on local Government. Since then, their popularity is on it's ( )( ) Ding Dong!!! Medication time Hoofarted
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6:29pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Jezreel says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Thank you mel_drew, for putting Jezreel right.

BTW, just wanted to correct your small mistake with the date - you meant the '2011' local election (not 1911).
Oh dear Matthew and Meldrew, sums are not your strong point.
The party that attracted the largest vote by miles, was Labour. They attract far more votes than any other party in York. That is why the party distribution is;
Labour has 26 seats.
Conservatives 10 seats.
Liberal Democrat 8 seats.
The Greens 2 seats.
Independent 1seat.

UKIP nowt

Facts can be so inconvenient sometimes
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: Thank you mel_drew, for putting Jezreel right. BTW, just wanted to correct your small mistake with the date - you meant the '2011' local election (not 1911).[/p][/quote]Oh dear Matthew and Meldrew, sums are not your strong point. The party that attracted the largest vote by miles, was Labour. They attract far more votes than any other party in York. That is why the party distribution is; Labour has 26 seats. Conservatives 10 seats. Liberal Democrat 8 seats. The Greens 2 seats. Independent 1seat. UKIP nowt Facts can be so inconvenient sometimes Jezreel
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