"York deserves better" - Councillor quits Labour and launches stinging attack

A YORK councillor has dramatically quit the Labour Party and launched a stinging attack on the way it is running the city.

Lynn Jeffries, well known as an equality campaigner, announced her decision at a Labour group meeting at Guildhall last night, a week after she publicly criticised her party's handling of the consultation over the withdrawal of community social care to 184 people.

She is now considering whether to become an independent councillor, although The Press understands the Liberal Democrats have encouraged her to defect to them.

Coun Jeffries, elected in Westfield in May 2011, said Labour had ignored the views of York people and said the “final straw” came when the party told her to apologise for comments she made at a meeting last Monday, when she criticised her party’s handling of plans to cut social care. Coun Jeffries chairs the York Independent Living Network, which also raised concerns.

She told The Press: “I became a councillor to have a voice and give other people a voice, but I feel they have taken my voice away.”

In a stinging statement issued to The Press, Coun Jeffries said:

  • The group ignored residents over the proposed sale of Union Terrace car park, the closure of Beckfield Lane waste recycling centre and the removal of 349 litter bins.
  • Labour councillors struggle to make their voices heard and are told how to vote on most issues by the group’s leaders, with no room for a full debate.
  • Council leader James Alexander and Coun Tracey Simpson-Laing, cabinet member for social services issues, refused to listen to “reasoned argument” over the care cuts, and the group’s mind had been made up ahead of the consultation on the issue.
  • The party was more interested in its “public profile” and that of Coun Alexander than representing residents.

She said she was privileged when Coun Alexander asked her to Labour and stand in the 2011 elections but said the party was unrecognisable from the “exciting” one she joined and said she realised soon after being elected that “the rhetoric bore little resemblance to the reality”.


She had previously been a Labour Party member but resigned in protest at the Iraq war in 2003.

 


STATEMENT FROM LYNN JEFFRIES

“AS many people in York will already know, I have been a vocal campaigner on equality issues, particularly those affecting disabled people, for many years.

“In 2010, I felt privileged to be asked by James Alexander to stand as a Labour candidate for the Westfield ward in the local elections. I was excited at the prospect of being in a position where, together with residents, I could be part of making positive change happen.

"The Labour group manifesto ‘York Deserves Better’, with its commitment to local people, engaging in genuine consultation and giving residents a real say in decisions that affect their lives, was, I believed, precisely what was needed to bring about positive change.

“It wasn’t long, however, before I realised the rhetoric bore little resemblance to the reality. The attempt to close Union Terrace car park, ignoring the views of thousands of residents; the closure of Beckfield Lane, again dismissing residents’ views; the removal of a third of York’s waste bins – with no consultation with residents – the list goes on.

"And I discovered, to my horror, it was not only residents who weren’t being listened to, but members of the Labour group too. The group is instructed on how to vote on most issues without proper debate. The situation is atrocious.

“The final straw for me came with the so-called ‘consultation’ on the decision to make cuts to the support given to people addressed as having moderate needs. The consultation was a sham.

"It was clear the decision to make cuts had already been made. James Alexander and Tracey Simpson-Laing simply were not listening to any reasoned argument.

“I no longer recognise the exciting Labour Party I joined in 2010. They have not listened, they do not understand and I can no longer be part of it.

“Today I am resigning from the party. I will now be considering the best way to represent the people of Westfield.

"Without the party politics and constant ‘whipping’, I will be able to do a better job, be able to speak out and be accountable to the people who really matter, those residents of the city who elected me and expect me to do my very best for them, not simply the public profile of local Labour Party and its leader.

“There is one thing the Labour manifesto has got right. York certainly does deserve better!”

 

SHE HAS LET VOTERS DOWN, SAYS LABOUR LEADER

COUNCIL leader James Alexander last night accused Coun Jeffries of letting Labour down.

He said: “Some people are not fully aware what the role of a councillor is like until they are elected and are not cut out for it.

“Some find it difficult being part of a team, having a debate, losing a vote and coping with not getting their own way. I personally fought very hard for Lynn to be selected as a Labour councillor, so this is very disappointing.

“Lynn voted for the Labour budget after debate and it included many required, tough decisions due to Government funding cuts. Some do not want to accept the reality of what Government funding cuts actually mean.

“If Lynn wanted to be an independent councillor, she should have stood for election as such. She has let down the many Labour voters who voted for her and the Labour activists who pounded the streets campaigning for her."

Coun Ann Reid, deputy leader of the Lib Dems, said: “We applaud Coun Jeffries and believe she has made a brave and principled stand over Labour’s cuts to social care, and I feel her resignation from the Labour group is a damning indictment of James Alexander’s leadership.”

Conservative leader Coun Ian Gillies said Coun Jeffries would be “a big loss to Labour”, saying: “I have always found her to be a really genuine, honest and practical councillor who has supported people with disabilities in a very professional manner, and she has expressed what a lot of people in York think about the current council administration.” 

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9:40am Thu 23 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

Who can disagree with a word of what Councillor Jeffries has said? I certainly can't. She highlights the farce of consultation, the dictatorial leadership, the wrong choices etc. This Labour Council has been an embaressment to York in its 800th year of democracy.
Who can disagree with a word of what Councillor Jeffries has said? I certainly can't. She highlights the farce of consultation, the dictatorial leadership, the wrong choices etc. This Labour Council has been an embaressment to York in its 800th year of democracy. Micklegate
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9:41am Thu 23 Aug 12

capt spaulding says...

Well done Lynn, youve let the cat out of the bag.
Now please go a step further and expose this shower of political nobodies for the hippocrytes they are.

I commend you for your couragious stand.
Well done Lynn, youve let the cat out of the bag. Now please go a step further and expose this shower of political nobodies for the hippocrytes they are. I commend you for your couragious stand. capt spaulding
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9:43am Thu 23 Aug 12

pedalling paul says...

Rather mirrors my understanding of what lay behind the Labour group's apparent solidarity over Water End's cycle path...............
Rather mirrors my understanding of what lay behind the Labour group's apparent solidarity over Water End's cycle path............... pedalling paul
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9:47am Thu 23 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

Huge respect to Cllr Jeffries. Confirmation from the inside of what everyone thinks. Cllr Alexander must now not only be an embarrassment to the city but to his own party nationally.
Huge respect to Cllr Jeffries. Confirmation from the inside of what everyone thinks. Cllr Alexander must now not only be an embarrassment to the city but to his own party nationally. Torycouncil2015
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9:51am Thu 23 Aug 12

Even AndyD says...

Very bad day at the office for JA and his comments don't help. Some things should be said in private, not to the Press.

Rhetoric, spin, party-whip-structure
, this is modern politics all over isn't it? Good luck Lynn, I think politics needs more independents - locally especially, but nationally too.
Very bad day at the office for JA and his comments don't help. Some things should be said in private, not to the Press. Rhetoric, spin, party-whip-structure , this is modern politics all over isn't it? Good luck Lynn, I think politics needs more independents - locally especially, but nationally too. Even AndyD
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9:52am Thu 23 Aug 12

Big Bad Wolf says...

Very brave decision to stand up against your own party....
Well Done Mrs Jeffries for standing up for what you believe and not being a puppet of the party.
You would get my vote next time.
Very brave decision to stand up against your own party.... Well Done Mrs Jeffries for standing up for what you believe and not being a puppet of the party. You would get my vote next time. Big Bad Wolf
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10:03am Thu 23 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

Even AndyD wrote:
Very bad day at the office for JA and his comments don't help. Some things should be said in private, not to the Press. Rhetoric, spin, party-whip-structure , this is modern politics all over isn't it? Good luck Lynn, I think politics needs more independents - locally especially, but nationally too.
Totally agree, James Alexander makes it clear he thinks of her as merely a whipped solider, trapsing through the lobby for the 'Labour' good, or more specifically him causing the right amount of damage in York and trying to blame the government to impress Ed Milband.
[quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: Very bad day at the office for JA and his comments don't help. Some things should be said in private, not to the Press. Rhetoric, spin, party-whip-structure , this is modern politics all over isn't it? Good luck Lynn, I think politics needs more independents - locally especially, but nationally too.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, James Alexander makes it clear he thinks of her as merely a whipped solider, trapsing through the lobby for the 'Labour' good, or more specifically him causing the right amount of damage in York and trying to blame the government to impress Ed Milband. Micklegate
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10:04am Thu 23 Aug 12

Candy Cupcake says...

It has been confirmed what everybody has suspected!!! I have a lot of respect and admiration for Cllr Jeffries, she is passionate about what she believes in and works hard, maybe Cllr JA could take a leaf out of her book!
It has been confirmed what everybody has suspected!!! I have a lot of respect and admiration for Cllr Jeffries, she is passionate about what she believes in and works hard, maybe Cllr JA could take a leaf out of her book! Candy Cupcake
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10:10am Thu 23 Aug 12

desmond tiblets says...

this labour council is a joke.the beckfield lane skip closure was the final straw.alexander is an utter waste of space
this labour council is a joke.the beckfield lane skip closure was the final straw.alexander is an utter waste of space desmond tiblets
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10:10am Thu 23 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

You have to say this was appalling news for Calamity James and Labour. It's amazing he did what I wouldnt have thought possible and made it even worse with the response of a petulant toddler.

The question is now the door is open how many more will follow?

Does anyone know the last time a councillor resigned the whip in York?
You have to say this was appalling news for Calamity James and Labour. It's amazing he did what I wouldnt have thought possible and made it even worse with the response of a petulant toddler. The question is now the door is open how many more will follow? Does anyone know the last time a councillor resigned the whip in York? Torycouncil2015
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10:12am Thu 23 Aug 12

Shouter says...

At last, an honest politician! Bravo Councillor Jeffries. Long may you continue to serve the citizens of York.
At last, an honest politician! Bravo Councillor Jeffries. Long may you continue to serve the citizens of York. Shouter
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10:17am Thu 23 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

Well done councillor JEffries!

York is a dirty grubby little city now over the last year it as become a cesspit! The streets around the football ground are a disgrace!

This current council as its own agenda! And it's doesn't include the residents , the rainbow flag should never have been flown! Beckfield lane should never have been shut etc!!
Well done councillor JEffries! York is a dirty grubby little city now over the last year it as become a cesspit! The streets around the football ground are a disgrace! This current council as its own agenda! And it's doesn't include the residents , the rainbow flag should never have been flown! Beckfield lane should never have been shut etc!! oi oi savaloy
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10:20am Thu 23 Aug 12

iamspartacus says...

Torycouncil2015: In 2010-2011, Ceredig Jamieson-Bell resigned the whip and Christian Vassie was suspended (both Liberal Democrats) after expressing anger at the leadership of their local party . Though Vassie was later re-instated for the 2011 election - which he then lost. So it's nothing new.

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Torycouncil2015: In 2010-2011, Ceredig Jamieson-Bell resigned the whip and Christian Vassie was suspended (both Liberal Democrats) after expressing anger at the leadership of their local party . Though Vassie was later re-instated for the 2011 election - which he then lost. So it's nothing new. http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/8807250. Leading_Liberal_Demo crat_councillor_step s_down_over_row/ http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/8732980. Liberal_Democrat__re bel__councillor_susp ended/ http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/8731256. Attack_on_Lib_Dem_le aders_as_controversi al___900m_waste_inci nerator_gets_go_ahea d/ iamspartacus
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10:26am Thu 23 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

Very interesting though according to that they both remained party members though. That was just a disagreement with Old Mr Galloway which most have done at some point. Not an admission that the whole party is a failure!
Very interesting though according to that they both remained party members though. That was just a disagreement with Old Mr Galloway which most have done at some point. Not an admission that the whole party is a failure! Torycouncil2015
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10:27am Thu 23 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

"Coun James Alexander, who leads the council’s Labour group, said: “The Lib Dems are imploding nationally and locally, and this resignation from somebody so senior is testament to the waste, failure and dysfunction the current administration exhibits.”

i wonder if he still stands by that opinion of resignations?
"Coun James Alexander, who leads the council’s Labour group, said: “The Lib Dems are imploding nationally and locally, and this resignation from somebody so senior is testament to the waste, failure and dysfunction the current administration exhibits.” i wonder if he still stands by that opinion of resignations? Torycouncil2015
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10:32am Thu 23 Aug 12

retribution says...

Shouter wrote:
At last, an honest politician! Bravo Councillor Jeffries. Long may you continue to serve the citizens of York.
Well done, Councillor Jeffries.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for having such honest and decent principles and fighting for them.

Don't worry re the next election YOU WILL DEFEAT the labour candidate and the electorate will definitely want you to stand.

That's why Calamity James is so annoyed - does he get the teddy bear & cot on expenses???.

What the electorate want are politicians they can trust and that represent their views and concerns.

You come top of the class in both of these attributes.

Thank you also for exposing the outrageous and disgraceful set up within the York Labour group. Democracy? It's more like a dictatorial and stalinist regime.
[quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: At last, an honest politician! Bravo Councillor Jeffries. Long may you continue to serve the citizens of York.[/p][/quote]Well done, Councillor Jeffries. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for having such honest and decent principles and fighting for them. Don't worry re the next election YOU WILL DEFEAT the labour candidate and the electorate will definitely want you to stand. That's why Calamity James is so annoyed - does he get the teddy bear & cot on expenses???. What the electorate want are politicians they can trust and that represent their views and concerns. You come top of the class in both of these attributes. Thank you also for exposing the outrageous and disgraceful set up within the York Labour group. Democracy? It's more like a dictatorial and stalinist regime. retribution
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10:34am Thu 23 Aug 12

malwood9 says...

Good for you councillor, I'm a Labour supporter but I remember what the party use to stand for. The Lib Dems are just as bad, you stay as an Independant and let your voice be heard.
Good for you councillor, I'm a Labour supporter but I remember what the party use to stand for. The Lib Dems are just as bad, you stay as an Independant and let your voice be heard. malwood9
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10:34am Thu 23 Aug 12

emen says...

Well done Lynn Jeffries. Someone standing up for their principles is increasingly rare nowadays and the people of Westfield have gained a voice and lost a puppet.

I do hope she ignores the overtures being made by the Lib Dems and remains independent. Party politics destroys local government rather than enriches it.
Well done Lynn Jeffries. Someone standing up for their principles is increasingly rare nowadays and the people of Westfield have gained a voice and lost a puppet. I do hope she ignores the overtures being made by the Lib Dems and remains independent. Party politics destroys local government rather than enriches it. emen
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10:47am Thu 23 Aug 12

RingoStarr says...

That took REAL GUTS...something sadly missing from politics today. Congratulations to Lynn Jeffries.
That took REAL GUTS...something sadly missing from politics today. Congratulations to Lynn Jeffries. RingoStarr
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10:49am Thu 23 Aug 12

magic cat says...

Well done Lynn for exposing the way this city is being run. Like many I love this city passionately and have been appalled at what has happened over the last 18 months. I hope others who are being bullied by certain councillors now take a stand.
Well done Lynn for exposing the way this city is being run. Like many I love this city passionately and have been appalled at what has happened over the last 18 months. I hope others who are being bullied by certain councillors now take a stand. magic cat
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11:19am Thu 23 Aug 12

Jezreel says...

Congratulations to Lynn. Principals first, party loyaly second. If we all remember that we won't go far wrong. You have exposed a sickness in the labour group, it is the legacy of new labour, careerism, and shabby compromise with the Tory agenda
Take care though Lynn, you will be courted by other parties who are even more anti social services and are just interested in damaging Labour. Give them short shrift.
Congratulations to Lynn. Principals first, party loyaly second. If we all remember that we won't go far wrong. You have exposed a sickness in the labour group, it is the legacy of new labour, careerism, and shabby compromise with the Tory agenda Take care though Lynn, you will be courted by other parties who are even more anti social services and are just interested in damaging Labour. Give them short shrift. Jezreel
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11:29am Thu 23 Aug 12

capt spaulding says...

I agree with Liz, stay independant and truly represent the people who voted for you. Well done.
I agree with Liz, stay independant and truly represent the people who voted for you. Well done. capt spaulding
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11:42am Thu 23 Aug 12

amike says...

James Alexander says: 'Some people are not fully aware what the role of a councillor is like until they are elected and are not cut out for it.'

No James I think it's you who is not aware what the role of council leader is and are, therefore, definately not cut out for it.
James Alexander says: 'Some people are not fully aware what the role of a councillor is like until they are elected and are not cut out for it.' No James I think it's you who is not aware what the role of council leader is and are, therefore, definately not cut out for it. amike
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11:53am Thu 23 Aug 12

Yeahbutno says...

Frankly if she does join the Lib Dems, will she be any better than labour? Westfield residents voted OUT 3 long-standing LD councillors, and it would be an insult to the voters if we were given one back without a choice.

Stay independent Lyn, and you will definitely get my vote next time.
Frankly if she does join the Lib Dems, will she be any better than labour? Westfield residents voted OUT 3 long-standing LD councillors, and it would be an insult to the voters if we were given one back without a choice. Stay independent Lyn, and you will definitely get my vote next time. Yeahbutno
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11:59am Thu 23 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

So right hand 'man' Red Sonja goes on twitter to announce Cllr Jeffries is a "rotten apple" just shows how out of touch they are and how far their heads are in the sand.

Her friend Mr Sidley responds back "shall we get rid of more bad apples" how many more Labour councillors to resign?
So right hand 'man' Red Sonja goes on twitter to announce Cllr Jeffries is a "rotten apple" just shows how out of touch they are and how far their heads are in the sand. Her friend Mr Sidley responds back "shall we get rid of more bad apples" how many more Labour councillors to resign? Torycouncil2015
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12:06pm Thu 23 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

Torycouncil2015 wrote:
So right hand 'man' Red Sonja goes on twitter to announce Cllr Jeffries is a "rotten apple" just shows how out of touch they are and how far their heads are in the sand. Her friend Mr Sidley responds back "shall we get rid of more bad apples" how many more Labour councillors to resign?
What exactly is dan sidleys role in the council?

He just seems to have his own agenda , turning York into something it isn't ... What a corrupt little party the York labour movement seems to be turning into!
[quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: So right hand 'man' Red Sonja goes on twitter to announce Cllr Jeffries is a "rotten apple" just shows how out of touch they are and how far their heads are in the sand. Her friend Mr Sidley responds back "shall we get rid of more bad apples" how many more Labour councillors to resign?[/p][/quote]What exactly is dan sidleys role in the council? He just seems to have his own agenda , turning York into something it isn't ... What a corrupt little party the York labour movement seems to be turning into! oi oi savaloy
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12:06pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Freeman says...

Well done Cllr Jeffries. This is ,I think, the first time I have read through the comments on an article and not found contoversy. Everyone is in agreement with her decision, that is apart from Cllr James Alexander.
Well done Cllr Jeffries. This is ,I think, the first time I have read through the comments on an article and not found contoversy. Everyone is in agreement with her decision, that is apart from Cllr James Alexander. Freeman
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12:16pm Thu 23 Aug 12

emen says...

Torycouncil2015 wrote:
So right hand 'man' Red Sonja goes on twitter to announce Cllr Jeffries is a "rotten apple" just shows how out of touch they are and how far their heads are in the sand.

Her friend Mr Sidley responds back "shall we get rid of more bad apples" how many more Labour councillors to resign?
Their heads are certainly somewhere although I'm not sure it's in the sand.
[quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: So right hand 'man' Red Sonja goes on twitter to announce Cllr Jeffries is a "rotten apple" just shows how out of touch they are and how far their heads are in the sand. Her friend Mr Sidley responds back "shall we get rid of more bad apples" how many more Labour councillors to resign?[/p][/quote]Their heads are certainly somewhere although I'm not sure it's in the sand. emen
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12:19pm Thu 23 Aug 12

www.yorkstories.co.uk says...

Can't believe Cllr Crisp's tweet re a 'rotten apple out the way'. Is this really referring to Cllr Jeffries?
Can't believe Cllr Crisp's tweet re a 'rotten apple out the way'. Is this really referring to Cllr Jeffries? www.yorkstories.co.uk
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12:19pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

Freeman wrote:
Well done Cllr Jeffries. This is ,I think, the first time I have read through the comments on an article and not found contoversy. Everyone is in agreement with her decision, that is apart from Cllr James Alexander.
And Cllr Crisp and Dan - Labour Party Candidate - Sidley
[quote][p][bold]Freeman[/bold] wrote: Well done Cllr Jeffries. This is ,I think, the first time I have read through the comments on an article and not found contoversy. Everyone is in agreement with her decision, that is apart from Cllr James Alexander.[/p][/quote]And Cllr Crisp and Dan - Labour Party Candidate - Sidley Torycouncil2015
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12:25pm Thu 23 Aug 12

York1900 says...

LYNN JEFFRIES do not join any other party by a independent councillor that way you can vote the way you think fit and not have to follow any parties rules and be free of any party in fighting be your own woman to work for your ward free of any party
LYNN JEFFRIES do not join any other party by a independent councillor that way you can vote the way you think fit and not have to follow any parties rules and be free of any party in fighting be your own woman to work for your ward free of any party York1900
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12:41pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Jackanory2 says...

Love the way that all the other party commentators come out knocking the present incumbent, when lets face it your all a crock of ****, and even though you like to say it wouldn't have happened under you, the public know it would. Councillor Jeffries, if you really mean what you say, stand as an independent, don't join the others they are all as bad as eachother. You may notice I have no affiliation to any party nor ever will, when they (not just labour but the rest of you) behave the way you do, and particularly comments on this website.
Love the way that all the other party commentators come out knocking the present incumbent, when lets face it your all a crock of ****, and even though you like to say it wouldn't have happened under you, the public know it would. Councillor Jeffries, if you really mean what you say, stand as an independent, don't join the others they are all as bad as eachother. You may notice I have no affiliation to any party nor ever will, when they (not just labour but the rest of you) behave the way you do, and particularly comments on this website. Jackanory2
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12:41pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Pete the Brickie says...



James Alexander said:

Lynn voted for the Labour budget after debate and it included many required, tough decisions due to Government funding cuts. Some do not want to accept the reality of what Government funding cuts actually mean.



I would include you in that statement Mr Alexander. The "cuts mean" stop waste or don't carry out non essential projects an example of this would be not to spend millions on providing free city centre broadband internet access.

They mean kerb greed and excess, your Chief Exec's and numerous deputies disgusting renumeration packages are an example of this, I'd wager that having the courage to deal with that problem would have been a sight "tougher decision" than removing the carers from 184 people you're never likely to meet.

Your decision to use the flippant phrase "she's not cut out for it" to describe a person who is prepared to stand by her beliefs rather than meekly obey your instructions will I hope live long in the people of York's memories.

Well done Councillor Jefferies.
[quote] James Alexander said: Lynn voted for the Labour budget after debate and it included many required, tough decisions due to Government funding cuts. Some do not want to accept the reality of what Government funding cuts actually mean. [/quote] I would include you in that statement Mr Alexander. The "cuts mean" stop waste or don't carry out non essential projects an example of this would be not to spend millions on providing free city centre broadband internet access. They mean kerb greed and excess, your Chief Exec's and numerous deputies disgusting renumeration packages are an example of this, I'd wager that having the courage to deal with that problem would have been a sight "tougher decision" than removing the carers from 184 people you're never likely to meet. Your decision to use the flippant phrase "she's not cut out for it" to describe a person who is prepared to stand by her beliefs rather than meekly obey your instructions will I hope live long in the people of York's memories. Well done Councillor Jefferies. Pete the Brickie
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12:45pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Sillybillies says...

"Without the party politics and constant ‘whipping’, I will be able to do a better job, be able to speak out and be accountable to the people who really matter, those residents of the city who elected me and expect me to do my very best for them, not simply the public profile of local Labour Party and its leader.

She has my respect, perhaps should could stand for election to York Central at the next general election.
[quote]"Without the party politics and constant ‘whipping’, I will be able to do a better job, be able to speak out and be accountable to the people who really matter, those residents of the city who elected me and expect me to do my very best for them, not simply the public profile of local Labour Party and its leader.[/quote] She has my respect, perhaps should could stand for election to York Central at the next general election. Sillybillies
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12:45pm Thu 23 Aug 12

gazlan says...

I would like to add my congratulations and support to Lynn. It's a brave and sometimes scary move to stand by your convictions and reject the status quo. You have done the right thing in the current circumstances; support your local electors and they will stand by you. We need more York Independents not driven by petty party political dogma and PC rhetoric. Well done.
I would like to add my congratulations and support to Lynn. It's a brave and sometimes scary move to stand by your convictions and reject the status quo. You have done the right thing in the current circumstances; support your local electors and they will stand by you. We need more York Independents not driven by petty party political dogma and PC rhetoric. Well done. gazlan
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12:53pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Capt. Dobie says...

Well Done Lynn- I admire your fortitude.

I am shocked at the cattyness of Calamity James & Red Sonja (whatever her name is)...shows an insight into their personality & 'true colours'.

Go Bo-JO.
Well Done Lynn- I admire your fortitude. I am shocked at the cattyness of Calamity James & Red Sonja (whatever her name is)...shows an insight into their personality & 'true colours'. Go Bo-JO. Capt. Dobie
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1:07pm Thu 23 Aug 12

pedalling paul says...

Ethically, Lynne should now resign and then re-fight her seat as an Independent candidate. That would be a true test of public opinion in the Ward. Personally I hope that she fights the seat and wins it. It would not end the present Labour majority, but perhaps many of their Members may be persuaded to encourage JA to rethink its internal governance processes, which are reportedly stuffing colleagues, stifling debate and straining loyalties. I've already mentioned the Water End "debate", when all Labour Cllrs had to show unified public support for the cycle lane removal, despite Officer and majority public advice to leave it alone.
We only have one Independent Councillor at present, who can be something of a loose cannon, but I suspect that Lynn would be rather more level headed and courteous in a like role.
Ethically, Lynne should now resign and then re-fight her seat as an Independent candidate. That would be a true test of public opinion in the Ward. Personally I hope that she fights the seat and wins it. It would not end the present Labour majority, but perhaps many of their Members may be persuaded to encourage JA to rethink its internal governance processes, which are reportedly stuffing colleagues, stifling debate and straining loyalties. I've already mentioned the Water End "debate", when all Labour Cllrs had to show unified public support for the cycle lane removal, despite Officer and majority public advice to leave it alone. We only have one Independent Councillor at present, who can be something of a loose cannon, but I suspect that Lynn would be rather more level headed and courteous in a like role. pedalling paul
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1:10pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Coun Lynn Jeffries said, "It was clear the decision to make cuts had already been made. James Alexander and Tracey Simpson-Laing simply were not listening to any reasoned argument."

When will the penny drop - the council is run by four people in a position of power, assisted by a bunch of politicised officers. Coun's Alexander, Simpson-Laing and Merrett, plus Kersten England are running the show, and very badly.

To get an idea where these politicians interests and loyalties lay, you only need to read their twitter pages (Merrett excluded, as he doesn't tweet). It's all about party politics, and in the case of KE, women ??? They put in the odd comment about how great the mystery plays are, or 'Happy Yorkshire Day' feigning support for all things York or Yorkshire, but, it so false, when two of them are from London and Scotland.

We need to get rid of these jokers as soon as possible, they are ruining this city.
[quote] Coun Lynn Jeffries said, "It was clear the decision to make cuts had already been made. James Alexander and Tracey Simpson-Laing simply were not listening to any reasoned argument." [/quote] When will the penny drop - the council is run by four people in a position of power, assisted by a bunch of politicised officers. Coun's Alexander, Simpson-Laing and Merrett, plus Kersten England are running the show, and very badly. To get an idea where these politicians interests and loyalties lay, you only need to read their twitter pages (Merrett excluded, as he doesn't tweet). It's all about party politics, and in the case of KE, women ??? They put in the odd comment about how great the mystery plays are, or 'Happy Yorkshire Day' feigning support for all things York or Yorkshire, but, it so false, when two of them are from London and Scotland. We need to get rid of these jokers as soon as possible, they are ruining this city. Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:17pm Thu 23 Aug 12

nowthen says...

James Alexander says : " “Some find it difficult being part of a team, having a debate, losing a vote and coping with not getting their own way. " That's one of the best descriptions of you James that I've heard for a while ! Well done ! And congratulations to Lynne Jeffries for making public what we all already know in private.
James Alexander says : " “Some find it difficult being part of a team, having a debate, losing a vote and coping with not getting their own way. " That's one of the best descriptions of you James that I've heard for a while ! Well done ! And congratulations to Lynne Jeffries for making public what we all already know in private. nowthen
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1:29pm Thu 23 Aug 12

York1900 says...

Look at this he can not even fill a simple Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality form in right

http://democracy.yor

k.gov.uk/mgDeclarati

onSubmission.aspx?UI

D=1107&HID=2927&FID=

0&HPID=6334735

Any one Knows who this Councillor is


Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality
18. You must reveal the name of any person from whom you have received a gift or hospitality with an estimated value of at least £50 which you have received in your capacity as a member of the Council. Date of Receipt of Gift/Hospitality Name of Donor, & Reason and Nature of Gift etc

4 November 2012 Merchant Adventurers Venison Feast - Guest of Adam Sinclair

11 November 2012 Nights Stay in Blackpool Hilton Hotel - Hospitality of Blackpool Council £100

11 November 2012 Dinner at the Hilton Hotel Blackpool - Hospitality of Blackpool Council £50

12 November 2012 Ticket to Blackpool Pleasure Beach - Hospitality of Blackpool Council £24

Who else but Councillor James Alexander”
Look at this he can not even fill a simple Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality form in right http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/mgDeclarati onSubmission.aspx?UI D=1107&HID=2927&FID= 0&HPID=6334735 Any one Knows who this Councillor is Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality 18. You must reveal the name of any person from whom you have received a gift or hospitality with an estimated value of at least £50 which you have received in your capacity as a member of the Council. Date of Receipt of Gift/Hospitality Name of Donor, & Reason and Nature of Gift etc 4 November 2012 Merchant Adventurers Venison Feast - Guest of Adam Sinclair 11 November 2012 Nights Stay in Blackpool Hilton Hotel - Hospitality of Blackpool Council £100 11 November 2012 Dinner at the Hilton Hotel Blackpool - Hospitality of Blackpool Council £50 12 November 2012 Ticket to Blackpool Pleasure Beach - Hospitality of Blackpool Council £24 Who else but Councillor James Alexander” York1900
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1:41pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Coun Crisp tweeted at 3.52pm 22 Aug 2012,
Sonja Crisp @CllrCrisp
@DanSidley I'm good, I'm on the winning team. If drunken verbal abuse don't get me down..this won't. Rotten apple out the way and move on;)


Dan Sidley tweeted in reply,
Dan Sidley ‏@DanSidley
@CllrCrisp shall we get a few more rotten apples out the way too whilst we are at it... It's always better to be on the winning side :)


These two are like vipers with their pure venom !
[quote] Coun Crisp tweeted at 3.52pm 22 Aug 2012, Sonja Crisp @CllrCrisp @DanSidley I'm good, I'm on the winning team. If drunken verbal abuse don't get me down..this won't. Rotten apple out the way and move on;) [/quote] [quote] Dan Sidley tweeted in reply, Dan Sidley ‏@DanSidley @CllrCrisp shall we get a few more rotten apples out the way too whilst we are at it... It's always better to be on the winning side :) [/quote] These two are like vipers with their pure venom ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:04pm Thu 23 Aug 12

magic cat says...

Well this tweet has let the genie out of the bottle hasn't it? How many more Labour councillors will show courage and integrity and resign? And as for Cllr Crisp - she deserves to be removed from office for what she has said publicly - especially as she is supposed to have responsibility for Social Inclusion. Far too interested in her own perceived importance. Just shows that Labour only have their own agendas and interests and do not really care about York or the people they represent.
Well this tweet has let the genie out of the bottle hasn't it? How many more Labour councillors will show courage and integrity and resign? And as for Cllr Crisp - she deserves to be removed from office for what she has said publicly - especially as she is supposed to have responsibility for Social Inclusion. Far too interested in her own perceived importance. Just shows that Labour only have their own agendas and interests and do not really care about York or the people they represent. magic cat
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2:13pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Oaklands Resident says...

York1900 wrote:
Look at this he can not even fill a simple Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality form in right

http://democracy.yor


k.gov.uk/mgDeclarati


onSubmission.aspx?UI


D=1107&HID=2927&
amp;FID=

0&HPID=6334735

Any one Knows who this Councillor is


Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality
18. You must reveal the name of any person from whom you have received a gift or hospitality with an estimated value of at least £50 which you have received in your capacity as a member of the Council. Date of Receipt of Gift/Hospitality Name of Donor, & Reason and Nature of Gift etc

4 November 2012 Merchant Adventurers Venison Feast - Guest of Adam Sinclair

11 November 2012 Nights Stay in Blackpool Hilton Hotel - Hospitality of Blackpool Council £100

11 November 2012 Dinner at the Hilton Hotel Blackpool - Hospitality of Blackpool Council £50

12 November 2012 Ticket to Blackpool Pleasure Beach - Hospitality of Blackpool Council £24

Who else but Councillor James Alexander”
Wasn't Red Sonja also there? Nothing shown on her declaration of interests?

Nor about her son who is an official at Blackpool Council.

All coming out now I think.
[quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: Look at this he can not even fill a simple Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality form in right http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/mgDeclarati onSubmission.aspx?UI D=1107&HID=2927& amp;FID= 0&HPID=6334735 Any one Knows who this Councillor is Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality 18. You must reveal the name of any person from whom you have received a gift or hospitality with an estimated value of at least £50 which you have received in your capacity as a member of the Council. Date of Receipt of Gift/Hospitality Name of Donor, & Reason and Nature of Gift etc 4 November 2012 Merchant Adventurers Venison Feast - Guest of Adam Sinclair 11 November 2012 Nights Stay in Blackpool Hilton Hotel - Hospitality of Blackpool Council £100 11 November 2012 Dinner at the Hilton Hotel Blackpool - Hospitality of Blackpool Council £50 12 November 2012 Ticket to Blackpool Pleasure Beach - Hospitality of Blackpool Council £24 Who else but Councillor James Alexander”[/p][/quote]Wasn't Red Sonja also there? Nothing shown on her declaration of interests? Nor about her son who is an official at Blackpool Council. All coming out now I think. Oaklands Resident
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2:16pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Ethically, Lynne should now resign and then re-fight her seat as an Independent candidate. That would be a true test of public opinion in the Ward. Personally I hope that she fights the seat and wins it. It would not end the present Labour majority, but perhaps many of their Members may be persuaded to encourage JA to rethink its internal governance processes, which are reportedly stuffing colleagues, stifling debate and straining loyalties. I've already mentioned the Water End "debate", when all Labour Cllrs had to show unified public support for the cycle lane removal, despite Officer and majority public advice to leave it alone. We only have one Independent Councillor at present, who can be something of a loose cannon, but I suspect that Lynn would be rather more level headed and courteous in a like role.
Coun Mark Warters - 'a loose cannon' ? He's honest and straight talking, and isn't afraid to say what he thinks, and puts Alexander & Co in their places. His loyalty to his residents and the interests of his ward are commendable. We need more like him, and I hope Coun Lynn Jeffries decides to stay Independent. I hope more Labour Councillors follow suit. York would be better off with Independents running things, so we can ditch the party politics and game-playing by the motley Labour lot. Get reid of them at the next election, and tell Alexander to get on his bike !
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Ethically, Lynne should now resign and then re-fight her seat as an Independent candidate. That would be a true test of public opinion in the Ward. Personally I hope that she fights the seat and wins it. It would not end the present Labour majority, but perhaps many of their Members may be persuaded to encourage JA to rethink its internal governance processes, which are reportedly stuffing colleagues, stifling debate and straining loyalties. I've already mentioned the Water End "debate", when all Labour Cllrs had to show unified public support for the cycle lane removal, despite Officer and majority public advice to leave it alone. We only have one Independent Councillor at present, who can be something of a loose cannon, but I suspect that Lynn would be rather more level headed and courteous in a like role.[/p][/quote]Coun Mark Warters - 'a loose cannon' ? He's honest and straight talking, and isn't afraid to say what he thinks, and puts Alexander & Co in their places. His loyalty to his residents and the interests of his ward are commendable. We need more like him, and I hope Coun Lynn Jeffries decides to stay Independent. I hope more Labour Councillors follow suit. York would be better off with Independents running things, so we can ditch the party politics and game-playing by the motley Labour lot. Get reid of them at the next election, and tell Alexander to get on his bike ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:21pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

magic cat wrote:
Well this tweet has let the genie out of the bottle hasn't it? How many more Labour councillors will show courage and integrity and resign? And as for Cllr Crisp - she deserves to be removed from office for what she has said publicly - especially as she is supposed to have responsibility for Social Inclusion. Far too interested in her own perceived importance. Just shows that Labour only have their own agendas and interests and do not really care about York or the people they represent.
Totally agree.

She recently tweeted and boasted about her regional and national appointments, numbering five. It's all about image with this silly woman, and not about York. Like Alexander, she is not content with doing a job locally, and yearns for a bigger stage. It's time she concentrated on York issues, instead of all this gallavanting here, there, and everywhere, just to show off her latest wardrobe, shoes, specs and punk hairdo's. All image and no substance !
[quote][p][bold]magic cat[/bold] wrote: Well this tweet has let the genie out of the bottle hasn't it? How many more Labour councillors will show courage and integrity and resign? And as for Cllr Crisp - she deserves to be removed from office for what she has said publicly - especially as she is supposed to have responsibility for Social Inclusion. Far too interested in her own perceived importance. Just shows that Labour only have their own agendas and interests and do not really care about York or the people they represent.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. She recently tweeted and boasted about her regional and national appointments, numbering five. It's all about image with this silly woman, and not about York. Like Alexander, she is not content with doing a job locally, and yearns for a bigger stage. It's time she concentrated on York issues, instead of all this gallavanting here, there, and everywhere, just to show off her latest wardrobe, shoes, specs and punk hairdo's. All image and no substance ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:28pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Madasanibbotson says...

JA said "not cut out for it" was he looking in the mirror at the time.
JA said "not cut out for it" was he looking in the mirror at the time. Madasanibbotson
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2:37pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

By the way Cllr Simpson Laing seems to be getting an easy ride. This article seems to suggest she's completely unfit for office?
By the way Cllr Simpson Laing seems to be getting an easy ride. This article seems to suggest she's completely unfit for office? Torycouncil2015
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2:43pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Jeff_li says...

Anyone else think Sonja Crisp's twitter picture looks like a Matt Lucas / Little Britain character?
Anyone else think Sonja Crisp's twitter picture looks like a Matt Lucas / Little Britain character? Jeff_li
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2:55pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

Torycouncil2015 wrote:
By the way Cllr Simpson Laing seems to be getting an easy ride. This article seems to suggest she's completely unfit for office?
You are quite right, but there is so much in the article I think we are trying to concentrate on things we did not already know!
[quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: By the way Cllr Simpson Laing seems to be getting an easy ride. This article seems to suggest she's completely unfit for office?[/p][/quote]You are quite right, but there is so much in the article I think we are trying to concentrate on things we did not already know! Micklegate
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2:56pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

Oaklands Resident wrote:
York1900 wrote: Look at this he can not even fill a simple Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality form in right http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/mgDeclarati onSubmission.aspx?UI D=1107&HID=2927&
amp; amp;FID= 0&HPID=Didnt she make some kind of deal with Blackpool council? Does this warrant an investigation? Come on Press
[quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: Look at this he can not even fill a simple Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality form in right http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/mgDeclarati onSubmission.aspx?UI D=1107&HID=2927& amp; amp;FID= 0&HPID=Didnt she make some kind of deal with Blackpool council? Does this warrant an investigation? Come on Press Torycouncil2015
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3:21pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

Torycouncil2015 wrote:
Oaklands Resident wrote:
York1900 wrote: Look at this he can not even fill a simple Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality form in right http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/mgDeclarati onSubmission.aspx?UI D=1107&HID=2927&
amp;
amp; amp;FID= 0&HPID=Didnt she make some kind of deal with Blackpool council? Does this warrant an investigation? Come on PressAre you suggesting our new links with Blackpool and frequent Labour councillor visits there are something more sinister than a happy coincidence of cllr crisp involved with one and her son the other?
[quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: Look at this he can not even fill a simple Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality form in right http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/mgDeclarati onSubmission.aspx?UI D=1107&HID=2927& amp; amp; amp;FID= 0&HPID=Didnt she make some kind of deal with Blackpool council? Does this warrant an investigation? Come on Press[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting our new links with Blackpool and frequent Labour councillor visits there are something more sinister than a happy coincidence of cllr crisp involved with one and her son the other? Micklegate
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3:27pm Thu 23 Aug 12

roskoboskovic says...

typical arrogance from alexander.
typical arrogance from alexander. roskoboskovic
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3:32pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Jeff_li says...

Torycouncil2015 wrote:
Oaklands Resident wrote:
York1900 wrote: Look at this he can not even fill a simple Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality form in right http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/mgDeclarati onSubmission.aspx?UI D=1107&HID=2927&
amp;
amp; amp;FID= 0&HPID=Didnt she make some kind of deal with Blackpool council? Does this warrant an investigation? Come on PressPlease learn how to share links. When you post them like that they don't work.

Try this link shortener...

http://goo.gl/
[quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: Look at this he can not even fill a simple Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality form in right http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/mgDeclarati onSubmission.aspx?UI D=1107&HID=2927& amp; amp; amp;FID= 0&HPID=Didnt she make some kind of deal with Blackpool council? Does this warrant an investigation? Come on Press[/p][/quote]Please learn how to share links. When you post them like that they don't work. Try this link shortener... http://goo.gl/ Jeff_li
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3:49pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Torycouncil2015 wrote:
By the way Cllr Simpson Laing seems to be getting an easy ride. This article seems to suggest she's completely unfit for office?
She is certainly not fit to be in charge of housing. All she does is complain about the cost of homes and rent, and never suggests any solutions to get housing built. York's record on housing completions is getting worse, and she does nothing. She is more interested in party politics and retweeting 'Larry the Cat's' tweets, like the one that she has just removed, which showed a photo of a cat sat next to a massive pile of hotdogs saying it was Eric Pickles 'secret stash'. Like 'Red Sonja' she is good at making inappropriate nasty comments. They are just not nice people, these labour councillors - a bunch of bullying bigheads !
[quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: By the way Cllr Simpson Laing seems to be getting an easy ride. This article seems to suggest she's completely unfit for office?[/p][/quote]She is certainly not fit to be in charge of housing. All she does is complain about the cost of homes and rent, and never suggests any solutions to get housing built. York's record on housing completions is getting worse, and she does nothing. She is more interested in party politics and retweeting 'Larry the Cat's' tweets, like the one that she has just removed, which showed a photo of a cat sat next to a massive pile of hotdogs saying it was Eric Pickles 'secret stash'. Like 'Red Sonja' she is good at making inappropriate nasty comments. They are just not nice people, these labour councillors - a bunch of bullying bigheads ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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4:02pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Jeff_li wrote:
Anyone else think Sonja Crisp's twitter picture looks like a Matt Lucas / Little Britain character?
She reminds me of the characters the late Beryl Cook painted, but, they looked friendly and cuddly, whereas, 'Red Sonja' and her not Beryl Cook'esque pal Tracey 'long shanks' Laing can both dish out the insults when they feel like it. Both a pair of pots who are always calling the kettle...... !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jeff_li[/bold] wrote: Anyone else think Sonja Crisp's twitter picture looks like a Matt Lucas / Little Britain character?[/p][/quote]She reminds me of the characters the late Beryl Cook painted, but, they looked friendly and cuddly, whereas, 'Red Sonja' and her not Beryl Cook'esque pal Tracey 'long shanks' Laing can both dish out the insults when they feel like it. Both a pair of pots who are always calling the kettle...... !!!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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4:14pm Thu 23 Aug 12

m dee says...

Well done Lynn for speaking up you would certainly get my support as a independent in Westfield.
Well done Lynn for speaking up you would certainly get my support as a independent in Westfield. m dee
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4:38pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Yorvik R says...

This is the same councilor that has made promisses that have not materialised regarding gated access to snickets in her ward. there is zero difference between Labour and the Lib Dums
This is the same councilor that has made promisses that have not materialised regarding gated access to snickets in her ward. there is zero difference between Labour and the Lib Dums Yorvik R
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4:43pm Thu 23 Aug 12

bolero says...

Well Coun. Jeffries has certainly opened a can of worms hasn't she? In the words of one Hughie Green; "I mean that most sincerely folks". For if there was ever a can of worms it is within The Guildhall. She correcly describes Alexander as the egomaniac that we always thought he was and he just reinforces those comments with his own senseless rhetoric. One wonders whether there may be even more resignations from this ragtime band of Alexanders and if Coun. Jeffries has pricked a few consciences to make other councillors consider whether they are truly representing the people they purport to represent or just towing the party line in order to stay in favour. I only hope she is not tempted to join that other bunch of n'erdowells but does as she suggests and stands as an independent at the next election. Good luck to her and let's have some honesty from other councillors who do; like her; know why they were elected and intend to stand for the electorate.
Well Coun. Jeffries has certainly opened a can of worms hasn't she? In the words of one Hughie Green; "I mean that most sincerely folks". For if there was ever a can of worms it is within The Guildhall. She correcly describes Alexander as the egomaniac that we always thought he was and he just reinforces those comments with his own senseless rhetoric. One wonders whether there may be even more resignations from this ragtime band of Alexanders and if Coun. Jeffries has pricked a few consciences to make other councillors consider whether they are truly representing the people they purport to represent or just towing the party line in order to stay in favour. I only hope she is not tempted to join that other bunch of n'erdowells but does as she suggests and stands as an independent at the next election. Good luck to her and let's have some honesty from other councillors who do; like her; know why they were elected and intend to stand for the electorate. bolero
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4:54pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Just who does Coun Sonja Crisp think she is ?

Just noticed her exchanges on twitter with a candidate from the last council elections. He had clearly got the better of her, and she ended up blocking him, because she couldn't beat him in the 'debate' about Lynn Jeffries resignation for the Labour group. She tried to belittle him by asking if anyone other than himself knew who he was ? The funny thing is, that he polled 1,193 votes in Holgate ward which she was elected to, coming a respectable 5th out of 11 candidates. I bet she knew who he was, but, in her usual nasty, ignorant style, dismissed him with a 'who are you' put down. Shame on you Crisp..... what a piece of work ? !!!
Just who does Coun Sonja Crisp think she is ? Just noticed her exchanges on twitter with a candidate from the last council elections. He had clearly got the better of her, and she ended up blocking him, because she couldn't beat him in the 'debate' about Lynn Jeffries resignation for the Labour group. She tried to belittle him by asking if anyone other than himself knew who he was ? The funny thing is, that he polled 1,193 votes in Holgate ward which she was elected to, coming a respectable 5th out of 11 candidates. I bet she knew who he was, but, in her usual nasty, ignorant style, dismissed him with a 'who are you' put down. Shame on you Crisp..... what a piece of work ? !!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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5:13pm Thu 23 Aug 12

only human says...

whilst this has been a very tough decision for Lynn with the chance devastating effects on a future political career it just shows that no party is bigger than its elected councillors and if their conscience is telling them a policy is unfair or just wrong then they have to make that decision in the interest of all they believe in.
That said,you cannot challenge cyc decision makers from the outside,they will do what they think keeps them in good favour with the government at the expense of the local electorate just to cling on to their budgets.
some councillors are all too eager to please their employers rather than their electorate.
Lynn has sacrificed her councillor role because she saw the bigger picture and the effects of the cuts to come on societies most vulnerable.
CYC will not stop until they have privatised all social care services as this is a group of people with no voices.Many of these people are about to have services such as weekly bath,shop,houseclean
,and any social activities withdrawn as the cyc plan to contract out to agencies on an essential care only basis.so for example.mrs jane doe can have a maximum of 15 minutes four times a day to have breakfast,microwave meal lunch,sandwich for tea and bedtime drink,medication and a quick wipe round with a flannel on a morning.
They will no longer get a 30 minute weekly call to have assistance with a full bath or shower in their own home.They will no longer have a 30 minute hygienic clean of their home,kitchen surfaces,sinks,toile
ts,floors etc.
Gone will be the 30 minute local shop for essential living necessities,grocerie
s and tioletries.
All these things will be redefined as non essential and not a high care need.it will be assumed that every person has a family or friends who can do these things for them,but this is increasingly not the case.There are many people whos only human contact is their carer 4 times a day and many times the lack of consistent carers and rapid turnover in agency staff due to generally poorer wages terms and conditions means calls are rushed and cut to as few as 5 mins as carers are forced to do as many calls as possible ain as little time as possible.
This is a false economy and the consequences can be dire for those affected.NHS bed blocking due to lack of social care in the community,massive waiting times for social care assessments,red tape,Its just a merry go round of passing the buck form downing street to local government to agency and nhs and back to local govt for the difficult calls that agencies dont want to take on as they are too time and manpower consuming and theres not enough profit in it for them.
Some calls will always remain with local authority purely from a duty of care and the human rights act etc.agencies can cherry pick but local authority will always have to pick up the pieces.
so what happens when there is almost no vulnerable people to pick on.where will the axe fall next.
Good luck Lynn,whatever you do,its a great shame for the voiceless......
whilst this has been a very tough decision for Lynn with the chance devastating effects on a future political career it just shows that no party is bigger than its elected councillors and if their conscience is telling them a policy is unfair or just wrong then they have to make that decision in the interest of all they believe in. That said,you cannot challenge cyc decision makers from the outside,they will do what they think keeps them in good favour with the government at the expense of the local electorate just to cling on to their budgets. some councillors are all too eager to please their employers rather than their electorate. Lynn has sacrificed her councillor role because she saw the bigger picture and the effects of the cuts to come on societies most vulnerable. CYC will not stop until they have privatised all social care services as this is a group of people with no voices.Many of these people are about to have services such as weekly bath,shop,houseclean ,and any social activities withdrawn as the cyc plan to contract out to agencies on an essential care only basis.so for example.mrs jane doe can have a maximum of 15 minutes four times a day to have breakfast,microwave meal lunch,sandwich for tea and bedtime drink,medication and a quick wipe round with a flannel on a morning. They will no longer get a 30 minute weekly call to have assistance with a full bath or shower in their own home.They will no longer have a 30 minute hygienic clean of their home,kitchen surfaces,sinks,toile ts,floors etc. Gone will be the 30 minute local shop for essential living necessities,grocerie s and tioletries. All these things will be redefined as non essential and not a high care need.it will be assumed that every person has a family or friends who can do these things for them,but this is increasingly not the case.There are many people whos only human contact is their carer 4 times a day and many times the lack of consistent carers and rapid turnover in agency staff due to generally poorer wages terms and conditions means calls are rushed and cut to as few as 5 mins as carers are forced to do as many calls as possible ain as little time as possible. This is a false economy and the consequences can be dire for those affected.NHS bed blocking due to lack of social care in the community,massive waiting times for social care assessments,red tape,Its just a merry go round of passing the buck form downing street to local government to agency and nhs and back to local govt for the difficult calls that agencies dont want to take on as they are too time and manpower consuming and theres not enough profit in it for them. Some calls will always remain with local authority purely from a duty of care and the human rights act etc.agencies can cherry pick but local authority will always have to pick up the pieces. so what happens when there is almost no vulnerable people to pick on.where will the axe fall next. Good luck Lynn,whatever you do,its a great shame for the voiceless...... only human
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5:35pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Caecilius says...

Well done, Coun Jeffries. Certain other Labour councillors/Cabinet members should try growing a backbone and standing firm for what they know full well to be right, instead of deferentially tugging their forelocks in response to James Alexander's dictats.

Lynn mentions the removal of the litter bins. As the Press has previously reported: "The public were not consulted on the removal of hundreds of litter bins around York because they would have inevitably debated the decisions, the council has said". How very dare we presume to debate the decrees of God's Anointed, the Council Leader!

Lynn also talks about sham consultation, refusal to listen to reasoned argument and the Labour group being instructed how to vote, without proper debate. Spot on. All of this was perfectly illustrated by the Water End farce, with the clear result of public consultation simply being ignored, along with the actual findings of the report produced by the professionals and the evidence freely available to anyone taking the trouble just to go along and look. My own Labour councillor chose to ignore all communication on the subject and tamely followed the party line, while the decision was reserved for Cabinet, under Coun Alexander's beady eye (and he subsequently attempted publicly to justify it by reference to a nonexistent manifesto commitment). Everything Lynn says is supported by the facts.

When James Alexander has the impudence to say "some find it difficut being part of a team", he surely jests. His administration isn't a team - it's a puppet show.
Well done, Coun Jeffries. Certain other Labour councillors/Cabinet members should try growing a backbone and standing firm for what they know full well to be right, instead of deferentially tugging their forelocks in response to James Alexander's dictats. Lynn mentions the removal of the litter bins. As the Press has previously reported: "The public were not consulted on the removal of hundreds of litter bins around York because they would have inevitably debated the decisions, the council has said". How very dare we presume to debate the decrees of God's Anointed, the Council Leader! Lynn also talks about sham consultation, refusal to listen to reasoned argument and the Labour group being instructed how to vote, without proper debate. Spot on. All of this was perfectly illustrated by the Water End farce, with the clear result of public consultation simply being ignored, along with the actual findings of the report produced by the professionals and the evidence freely available to anyone taking the trouble just to go along and look. My own Labour councillor chose to ignore all communication on the subject and tamely followed the party line, while the decision was reserved for Cabinet, under Coun Alexander's beady eye (and he subsequently attempted publicly to justify it by reference to a nonexistent manifesto commitment). Everything Lynn says is supported by the facts. When James Alexander has the impudence to say "some find it difficut being part of a team", he surely jests. His administration isn't a team - it's a puppet show. Caecilius
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5:36pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Frodo Baggins says...

Well done Lynn. Now I hope you are going to resign your seat, force a by-election and stand for one of the other parties or as an independent councillor?
Well done Lynn. Now I hope you are going to resign your seat, force a by-election and stand for one of the other parties or as an independent councillor? Frodo Baggins
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5:41pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Silver says...

Onlyhuman I would normally have quoted your whole article but it's rather too long so here's a copy and paste

That said,you cannot challenge cyc decision makers from the outside,they will do what they think keeps them in good favour with the government at the expense of the local electorate just to cling on to their budgets.

After reading this bits of news it seems you can't challenge CYC decision makers from the inside either so i don't blame her quitting and letting the rest of us know that what we suspected seems to be the truth.
It's very hard to be a labour supporter in this city at the moment as they don't stand for anything resembling the labour party I know at the moment.
I can't turn to any political party at the moment myself as I was raised never to vote for Tories and Lib Dems are showing themselves as useless so it's nice to know I can vote for one good independant in this city. Lets have more of em!
Onlyhuman I would normally have quoted your whole article but it's rather too long so here's a copy and paste That said,you cannot challenge cyc decision makers from the outside,they will do what they think keeps them in good favour with the government at the expense of the local electorate just to cling on to their budgets. After reading this bits of news it seems you can't challenge CYC decision makers from the inside either so i don't blame her quitting and letting the rest of us know that what we suspected seems to be the truth. It's very hard to be a labour supporter in this city at the moment as they don't stand for anything resembling the labour party I know at the moment. I can't turn to any political party at the moment myself as I was raised never to vote for Tories and Lib Dems are showing themselves as useless so it's nice to know I can vote for one good independant in this city. Lets have more of em! Silver
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5:42pm Thu 23 Aug 12

perfidiousalbion says...

only human wrote:
whilst this has been a very tough decision for Lynn with the chance devastating effects on a future political career it just shows that no party is bigger than its elected councillors and if their conscience is telling them a policy is unfair or just wrong then they have to make that decision in the interest of all they believe in.
That said,you cannot challenge cyc decision makers from the outside,they will do what they think keeps them in good favour with the government at the expense of the local electorate just to cling on to their budgets.
some councillors are all too eager to please their employers rather than their electorate.
Lynn has sacrificed her councillor role because she saw the bigger picture and the effects of the cuts to come on societies most vulnerable.
CYC will not stop until they have privatised all social care services as this is a group of people with no voices.Many of these people are about to have services such as weekly bath,shop,houseclean

,and any social activities withdrawn as the cyc plan to contract out to agencies on an essential care only basis.so for example.mrs jane doe can have a maximum of 15 minutes four times a day to have breakfast,microwave meal lunch,sandwich for tea and bedtime drink,medication and a quick wipe round with a flannel on a morning.
They will no longer get a 30 minute weekly call to have assistance with a full bath or shower in their own home.They will no longer have a 30 minute hygienic clean of their home,kitchen surfaces,sinks,toile

ts,floors etc.
Gone will be the 30 minute local shop for essential living necessities,grocerie

s and tioletries.
All these things will be redefined as non essential and not a high care need.it will be assumed that every person has a family or friends who can do these things for them,but this is increasingly not the case.There are many people whos only human contact is their carer 4 times a day and many times the lack of consistent carers and rapid turnover in agency staff due to generally poorer wages terms and conditions means calls are rushed and cut to as few as 5 mins as carers are forced to do as many calls as possible ain as little time as possible.
This is a false economy and the consequences can be dire for those affected.NHS bed blocking due to lack of social care in the community,massive waiting times for social care assessments,red tape,Its just a merry go round of passing the buck form downing street to local government to agency and nhs and back to local govt for the difficult calls that agencies dont want to take on as they are too time and manpower consuming and theres not enough profit in it for them.
Some calls will always remain with local authority purely from a duty of care and the human rights act etc.agencies can cherry pick but local authority will always have to pick up the pieces.
so what happens when there is almost no vulnerable people to pick on.where will the axe fall next.
Good luck Lynn,whatever you do,its a great shame for the voiceless......
"COUNCIL leader James Alexander last night accused Coun Jeffries of letting Labour down"

Lynn Jeffries was elected by her constituents, not the Labour Party. She has had the courage to support those constituents, and the greater residents of York, rather than be subject to the bully boy tactics of party politics.

Well done Lynn. York needs more councillors who stand up for their beliefs and support the people of York and less of those who believe they are elected to serve their political party
[quote][p][bold]only human[/bold] wrote: whilst this has been a very tough decision for Lynn with the chance devastating effects on a future political career it just shows that no party is bigger than its elected councillors and if their conscience is telling them a policy is unfair or just wrong then they have to make that decision in the interest of all they believe in. That said,you cannot challenge cyc decision makers from the outside,they will do what they think keeps them in good favour with the government at the expense of the local electorate just to cling on to their budgets. some councillors are all too eager to please their employers rather than their electorate. Lynn has sacrificed her councillor role because she saw the bigger picture and the effects of the cuts to come on societies most vulnerable. CYC will not stop until they have privatised all social care services as this is a group of people with no voices.Many of these people are about to have services such as weekly bath,shop,houseclean ,and any social activities withdrawn as the cyc plan to contract out to agencies on an essential care only basis.so for example.mrs jane doe can have a maximum of 15 minutes four times a day to have breakfast,microwave meal lunch,sandwich for tea and bedtime drink,medication and a quick wipe round with a flannel on a morning. They will no longer get a 30 minute weekly call to have assistance with a full bath or shower in their own home.They will no longer have a 30 minute hygienic clean of their home,kitchen surfaces,sinks,toile ts,floors etc. Gone will be the 30 minute local shop for essential living necessities,grocerie s and tioletries. All these things will be redefined as non essential and not a high care need.it will be assumed that every person has a family or friends who can do these things for them,but this is increasingly not the case.There are many people whos only human contact is their carer 4 times a day and many times the lack of consistent carers and rapid turnover in agency staff due to generally poorer wages terms and conditions means calls are rushed and cut to as few as 5 mins as carers are forced to do as many calls as possible ain as little time as possible. This is a false economy and the consequences can be dire for those affected.NHS bed blocking due to lack of social care in the community,massive waiting times for social care assessments,red tape,Its just a merry go round of passing the buck form downing street to local government to agency and nhs and back to local govt for the difficult calls that agencies dont want to take on as they are too time and manpower consuming and theres not enough profit in it for them. Some calls will always remain with local authority purely from a duty of care and the human rights act etc.agencies can cherry pick but local authority will always have to pick up the pieces. so what happens when there is almost no vulnerable people to pick on.where will the axe fall next. Good luck Lynn,whatever you do,its a great shame for the voiceless......[/p][/quote]"COUNCIL leader James Alexander last night accused Coun Jeffries of letting Labour down" Lynn Jeffries was elected by her constituents, not the Labour Party. She has had the courage to support those constituents, and the greater residents of York, rather than be subject to the bully boy tactics of party politics. Well done Lynn. York needs more councillors who stand up for their beliefs and support the people of York and less of those who believe they are elected to serve their political party perfidiousalbion
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6:05pm Thu 23 Aug 12

sharpish says...

I applaud you Lynn Jeffries for putting aside party allegiance as a matter of principle - a brave and honourable decision!

This administration has acted shamefully in so many ways and I truly hope that others will follow your example!

The people of York really do need more independent voices who can act in the best interest of those they represent rather than meekly obeying orders from above.

I wish you good luck whatever you decide to do.
I applaud you Lynn Jeffries for putting aside party allegiance as a matter of principle - a brave and honourable decision! This administration has acted shamefully in so many ways and I truly hope that others will follow your example! The people of York really do need more independent voices who can act in the best interest of those they represent rather than meekly obeying orders from above. I wish you good luck whatever you decide to do. sharpish
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6:32pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

Micklegate wrote:
Torycouncil2015 wrote:
Oaklands Resident wrote:
York1900 wrote: Look at this he can not even fill a simple Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality form in right http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/mgDeclarati onSubmission.aspx?UI D=1107&HID=2927&
amp;
amp;
amp; amp;FID= 0&HPID=Didnt she make some kind of deal with Blackpool council? Does this warrant an investigation? Come on PressAre you suggesting our new links with Blackpool and frequent Labour councillor visits there are something more sinister than a happy coincidence of cllr crisp involved with one and her son the other?Im sure the decision about Bkackpool was taken at a public meeting and Cllr Crisp declared her (prejudicial) interest at the time ....................
...
[quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: Look at this he can not even fill a simple Disclosure of Gifts & Hospitality form in right http://democracy.yor k.gov.uk/mgDeclarati onSubmission.aspx?UI D=1107&HID=2927& amp; amp; amp; amp;FID= 0&HPID=Didnt she make some kind of deal with Blackpool council? Does this warrant an investigation? Come on Press[/p][/quote]Are you suggesting our new links with Blackpool and frequent Labour councillor visits there are something more sinister than a happy coincidence of cllr crisp involved with one and her son the other?[/p][/quote]Im sure the decision about Bkackpool was taken at a public meeting and Cllr Crisp declared her (prejudicial) interest at the time .................... ... Torycouncil2015
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7:12pm Thu 23 Aug 12

mary poppins21 says...

Both Crisp and Alexander should be gone . Alexander for being a complete bully and Crisp for feathering the nest of her son's position within Blackpool council. How many little jollies have Alexander and her been on over there??? Bet they stayed in the best hotel no expense spared . Pure utter greed they should both be disgusted with themselves and resign immediately .
Both Crisp and Alexander should be gone . Alexander for being a complete bully and Crisp for feathering the nest of her son's position within Blackpool council. How many little jollies have Alexander and her been on over there??? Bet they stayed in the best hotel no expense spared . Pure utter greed they should both be disgusted with themselves and resign immediately . mary poppins21
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8:11pm Thu 23 Aug 12

PinzaC55 says...

A politician with principles? she'll never get anywhere.
A politician with principles? she'll never get anywhere. PinzaC55
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8:12pm Thu 23 Aug 12

rose_of_york says...

Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent. rose_of_york
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8:15pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Brickyard says...

Congratulations to Lynn Jeffries, she has done the right thing, I am a Labour supporter, and I agree with everything she says regarding Alexander and Co.
The lunatics really have taken over the asylum, when will her so called colleagues see sense and get rid of Alexander? It's got to happen, so sooner rather than later, we don't want the other loonies back, Galloway and Co.
Congratulations to Lynn Jeffries, she has done the right thing, I am a Labour supporter, and I agree with everything she says regarding Alexander and Co. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum, when will her so called colleagues see sense and get rid of Alexander? It's got to happen, so sooner rather than later, we don't want the other loonies back, Galloway and Co. Brickyard
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8:36pm Thu 23 Aug 12

magic cat says...

rose_of_york wrote:
Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
Yes, Cllr Barbara Boyce Labour aka Rose of York - perhaps we should all use our real names and perhaps you could start by doing so. Information gleaned from your Tweet page!
[quote][p][bold]rose_of_york[/bold] wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.[/p][/quote]Yes, Cllr Barbara Boyce Labour aka Rose of York - perhaps we should all use our real names and perhaps you could start by doing so. Information gleaned from your Tweet page! magic cat
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8:39pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

rose_of_york wrote:
Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
Like the integrity shown by you Cllr Boyce spouting Calamity James propaganda behind he cloak of anonymity.

How surprising you're suggesting a by-election. I'd concentrate on keeping the 25 you've got rather than boost your numbers! You really are dead group walking.
[quote][p][bold]rose_of_york[/bold] wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.[/p][/quote]Like the integrity shown by you Cllr Boyce spouting Calamity James propaganda behind he cloak of anonymity. How surprising you're suggesting a by-election. I'd concentrate on keeping the 25 you've got rather than boost your numbers! You really are dead group walking. Torycouncil2015
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8:41pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Wrong'un says...

rose_of_york wrote:
Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
Hello Councillor Barbara Boyce. (Using your twitter name was a bit of a giveaway.)

Why don't YOU post under your real name?

And no, Cllr Jeffries should not have to resign and re-stand as an independent. You'd have thought with all these cuts that are being made, York Labour would want to avoid causing a needless by-election - at the cost of £thousands to the taxpayer.
[quote][p][bold]rose_of_york[/bold] wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.[/p][/quote]Hello Councillor Barbara Boyce. (Using your twitter name was a bit of a giveaway.) Why don't YOU post under your real name? And no, Cllr Jeffries should not have to resign and re-stand as an independent. You'd have thought with all these cuts that are being made, York Labour would want to avoid causing a needless by-election - at the cost of £thousands to the taxpayer. Wrong'un
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8:49pm Thu 23 Aug 12

magic cat says...

Further evidence of a non listening Labour Council who do not want to engage with the public on anything.
Cllr Crisp's e mail response:-
"I am out of the office from 10-26 August inclusive. If you have received this message your e mail will be automatically deleted. Please re-send if urgent after 26 August." Clearly she is too busy tweeting, insulting people, attending the Flotilla and the Torch relay and getting paid £21000 plus for the privilege.
Further evidence of a non listening Labour Council who do not want to engage with the public on anything. Cllr Crisp's e mail response:- "I am out of the office from 10-26 August inclusive. If you have received this message your e mail will be automatically deleted. Please re-send if urgent after 26 August." Clearly she is too busy tweeting, insulting people, attending the Flotilla and the Torch relay and getting paid £21000 plus for the privilege. magic cat
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8:51pm Thu 23 Aug 12

mary poppins21 says...

rose_of_york wrote:
Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
You should keep out of it Cllr Boyce oh no I forgot you're one of Alexander's lackies. Don't worry Alexander will make sure you keep your special responsibility allowance Oh I can hear you now Yes James No James anything you say James.
[quote][p][bold]rose_of_york[/bold] wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.[/p][/quote]You should keep out of it Cllr Boyce oh no I forgot you're one of Alexander's lackies. Don't worry Alexander will make sure you keep your special responsibility allowance Oh I can hear you now Yes James No James anything you say James. mary poppins21
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9:03pm Thu 23 Aug 12

bolero says...

rose_of_york wrote:
Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
When I read this it was so obvious to me that this is a councillor talking and trying to hide her I identity.However, those of you with the necessary knowledge have suitably enlightened us. Thank you. She has done nothing to help the situation and I'll bet her card is now well and truly marked by the electorate.
[quote][p][bold]rose_of_york[/bold] wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.[/p][/quote]When I read this it was so obvious to me that this is a councillor talking and trying to hide her I identity.However, those of you with the necessary knowledge have suitably enlightened us. Thank you. She has done nothing to help the situation and I'll bet her card is now well and truly marked by the electorate. bolero
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9:10pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

Barbara Boyce


"I currently receive a basic allowance of £7,192.50.  In addition I receive a Special Responsibility Allowance (SRA) of £6,300  for my role as Chair of Gambling, Licensing & Regulatory Committee."

Is this the price of your soul/integrity. Wonder if you could enlighten us as to what the tax payers £6300 has bought other than votes and a mouthpiece for Calamity James.
Barbara Boyce "I currently receive a basic allowance of £7,192.50.  In addition I receive a Special Responsibility Allowance (SRA) of £6,300  for my role as Chair of Gambling, Licensing & Regulatory Committee." Is this the price of your soul/integrity. Wonder if you could enlighten us as to what the tax payers £6300 has bought other than votes and a mouthpiece for Calamity James. Torycouncil2015
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9:50pm Thu 23 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Politics is ugly.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Politics is ugly. Buzz Light-year
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9:53pm Thu 23 Aug 12

b1bamster says...

Sadly this council is now very clearly out of touch with its own people. The time for change is upon us....
Sadly this council is now very clearly out of touch with its own people. The time for change is upon us.... b1bamster
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10:05pm Thu 23 Aug 12

PinzaC55 says...

rose_of_york said
I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names?


There seems to be an implied threat there - what exactly WOULD happen if we published under our real names? A midnight knock on the door and we would never be seen again?
rose_of_york said [quote]I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? [/quote] There seems to be an implied threat there - what exactly WOULD happen if we published under our real names? A midnight knock on the door and we would never be seen again? PinzaC55
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10:15pm Thu 23 Aug 12

big boy york says...

At last somebody with more balls than calamity James, if the allegations that councillors are instructed which way to vote this then surely brings all decisions made by this council into doubt, from water emd to monks x. i wonder what way these votes would have gone if they let them make there own minds up
At last somebody with more balls than calamity James, if the allegations that councillors are instructed which way to vote this then surely brings all decisions made by this council into doubt, from water emd to monks x. i wonder what way these votes would have gone if they let them make there own minds up big boy york
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11:30pm Thu 23 Aug 12

yorkielass says...

Well in all my years occasionally reading comments on these pages, I don't think I've ever agreed with so many! Well Done Cllr Jeffries, I think you have restored faith in human nature a little. Wishing you a successful future in local politics as an Independent.
Well in all my years occasionally reading comments on these pages, I don't think I've ever agreed with so many! Well Done Cllr Jeffries, I think you have restored faith in human nature a little. Wishing you a successful future in local politics as an Independent. yorkielass
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12:14am Fri 24 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

rose_of_york wrote:
Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
Labour apologist, or stooge ?

Yes, I think so !!!
[quote][p][bold]rose_of_york[/bold] wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.[/p][/quote]Labour apologist, or stooge ? Yes, I think so !!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:50am Fri 24 Aug 12

Reality50 says...

York used to be a lovely place but Labour have ruined it.The successful application yesterday of a mosque is the last straw.We also had the awful prospect of Islamic hate speakers speaking this weekend at a local school-thankfully public pressure has forced them to cancel it as seen in the paper tonight-.
York used to be a lovely place but Labour have ruined it.The successful application yesterday of a mosque is the last straw.We also had the awful prospect of Islamic hate speakers speaking this weekend at a local school-thankfully public pressure has forced them to cancel it as seen in the paper tonight-. Reality50
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12:53am Fri 24 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Just read further that 'rose_of_york' is in fact Coun Barbara Boyce !!!

Coun Boyce should be reminded that those commenting on this thread are York residents who she works for. She should get on with 'delivering services' she was elected to deliver, and if she does not, like her Labour colleagues who are furthering their own careers, lining their pockets, and ruining this city, she will not voted for again !
Just read further that 'rose_of_york' is in fact Coun Barbara Boyce !!! Coun Boyce should be reminded that those commenting on this thread are York residents who she works for. She should get on with 'delivering services' she was elected to deliver, and if she does not, like her Labour colleagues who are furthering their own careers, lining their pockets, and ruining this city, she will not voted for again ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:01am Fri 24 Aug 12

Hoofarted says...

So a recently elected labour councillor falls out with policy making ideas. Yardy Yar! And out jump the tory bandwagon "we hate labour" ranters.

The woman's not been in the role 5 mins and want's to be able to maintain funding to all areas when the tory crap that have failed for almost 3 years with the economy have cut ALL council funding.

Smell the coffee and apologise and im sure James will allow you back
So a recently elected labour councillor falls out with policy making ideas. Yardy Yar! And out jump the tory bandwagon "we hate labour" ranters. The woman's not been in the role 5 mins and want's to be able to maintain funding to all areas when the tory crap that have failed for almost 3 years with the economy have cut ALL council funding. Smell the coffee and apologise and im sure James will allow you back Hoofarted
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1:05am Fri 24 Aug 12

inthesticks says...

I have voted Labour all my life but I am ashamed of this Labour lot in York. Where is working class Labour? Get rid of the middle class political elite who have no interest in or empathy with those they are supposed to represent.
I will not vote Tory, can`t vote for Liberals and sick of university educated so called socialists.
I have voted Labour all my life but I am ashamed of this Labour lot in York. Where is working class Labour? Get rid of the middle class political elite who have no interest in or empathy with those they are supposed to represent. I will not vote Tory, can`t vote for Liberals and sick of university educated so called socialists. inthesticks
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1:30am Fri 24 Aug 12

jgycfc says...

Hoofarted - Most comments seem to be coming from the disillusioned left, not the out-of-touch party. JA makes Thatcher look like a "dirty lefty" at times.

I think you're all being too kind to Councillor Crisp - she's not got the grey matter to be anything other than a mouthpiece for JA. She knows that being it however has kept her in the limelight...

Lynn Jeffries - shame she couldn't have persisted with what Labour are meant to be about from within, like a local Erasmus... But then he got nowhere either. She should stay independent until these self-publicist guys have gone, then re-stand as Labour. Labour supporters are going to vote her in for having the guts to say "This is what we're meant to be about".
Hoofarted - Most comments seem to be coming from the disillusioned left, not the out-of-touch party. JA makes Thatcher look like a "dirty lefty" at times. I think you're all being too kind to Councillor Crisp - she's not got the grey matter to be anything other than a mouthpiece for JA. She knows that being it however has kept her in the limelight... Lynn Jeffries - shame she couldn't have persisted with what Labour are meant to be about from within, like a local Erasmus... But then he got nowhere either. She should stay independent until these self-publicist guys have gone, then re-stand as Labour. Labour supporters are going to vote her in for having the guts to say "This is what we're meant to be about". jgycfc
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1:31am Fri 24 Aug 12

Magicman! says...

Lynn has taken a very brave and drastic step for what she believes in. All Alexander has to say is personal attacks against her, basically saying she wasn't cut out for the role and was too ignorant of what politics are about.... If that is what the leader of this council has to say about somebody that was in his own party, what on earth does he think of normal residents who oppose anything his ragtag band of miscreants decide to do?

But when it comes down to politics, voters are stuck between a rock and a hard place... as there isn't one party that can be trusted. Labour are ruining York and did massive damage to the country when they were in power (including sending us into two wars just to keep in America's good books), the Tories are currently doing the normal Tory thing and cutting servcies wherever they can and trying to sell off stuff to the private sector, and as the LibDems are currently a bolt-on to the current Tory government, nobody will be voting for them anything soon... in fact the reason we have this 'toyota prius' government is because nobody knew who to vote for as they kown each party is as bad as each other. In the same way as a Toyota Prius is seen as a petrol car with an electric motor, but is essentially a "petrol car for idiots", the current government is a Tory government with a LibDem addon, but is a Tory government for idiots!
The closest politician we have to normal people is John Prescott, but even he doesn't really know much about what everyday people are going through. The problem is that only those from wealthy stock have an interest or the money to go into education which specialises in politics, normal everyday kids want to learn normal life skills and usually prefer lessons like Design and Technlogy - plus normal kids don't have parents with expendable incomes to send the kids to schools in buildings several centuries old where everybody wears blazers.
Lynn has taken a very brave and drastic step for what she believes in. All Alexander has to say is personal attacks against her, basically saying she wasn't cut out for the role and was too ignorant of what politics are about.... If that is what the leader of this council has to say about somebody that was in his own party, what on earth does he think of normal residents who oppose anything his ragtag band of miscreants decide to do? But when it comes down to politics, voters are stuck between a rock and a hard place... as there isn't one party that can be trusted. Labour are ruining York and did massive damage to the country when they were in power (including sending us into two wars just to keep in America's good books), the Tories are currently doing the normal Tory thing and cutting servcies wherever they can and trying to sell off stuff to the private sector, and as the LibDems are currently a bolt-on to the current Tory government, nobody will be voting for them anything soon... in fact the reason we have this 'toyota prius' government is because nobody knew who to vote for as they kown each party is as bad as each other. In the same way as a Toyota Prius is seen as a petrol car with an electric motor, but is essentially a "petrol car for idiots", the current government is a Tory government with a LibDem addon, but is a Tory government for idiots! The closest politician we have to normal people is John Prescott, but even he doesn't really know much about what everyday people are going through. The problem is that only those from wealthy stock have an interest or the money to go into education which specialises in politics, normal everyday kids want to learn normal life skills and usually prefer lessons like Design and Technlogy - plus normal kids don't have parents with expendable incomes to send the kids to schools in buildings several centuries old where everybody wears blazers. Magicman!
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8:25am Fri 24 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

magic cat wrote:
Further evidence of a non listening Labour Council who do not want to engage with the public on anything. Cllr Crisp's e mail response:- "I am out of the office from 10-26 August inclusive. If you have received this message your e mail will be automatically deleted. Please re-send if urgent after 26 August." Clearly she is too busy tweeting, insulting people, attending the Flotilla and the Torch relay and getting paid £21000 plus for the privilege.
It is amazing to think that Sonja Crisp is in charge of 'social inclusion'!! I hate to think how she would refer to people if she wasn't trying to be inclusive given that she calls former colleagues 'rotten apples'.
[quote][p][bold]magic cat[/bold] wrote: Further evidence of a non listening Labour Council who do not want to engage with the public on anything. Cllr Crisp's e mail response:- "I am out of the office from 10-26 August inclusive. If you have received this message your e mail will be automatically deleted. Please re-send if urgent after 26 August." Clearly she is too busy tweeting, insulting people, attending the Flotilla and the Torch relay and getting paid £21000 plus for the privilege.[/p][/quote]It is amazing to think that Sonja Crisp is in charge of 'social inclusion'!! I hate to think how she would refer to people if she wasn't trying to be inclusive given that she calls former colleagues 'rotten apples'. Micklegate
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9:43am Fri 24 Aug 12

York1900 says...

rose_of_york wrote:
Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
I used to vote LABOUR but have found that LABOUR was no better than the Tories or the Lib Dems
They all seem to be in it for there own gain rather that for the betterment of the people who elected them

Cllr Jeffries did the right thing in quiting LABOUR for the way LABOUR are doing the Governments bidding on cuts

People put LABOUR in power in York thinking they were going to get some thing better


.
[quote][p][bold]rose_of_york[/bold] wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.[/p][/quote]I used to vote LABOUR but have found that LABOUR was no better than the Tories or the Lib Dems They all seem to be in it for there own gain rather that for the betterment of the people who elected them Cllr Jeffries did the right thing in quiting LABOUR for the way LABOUR are doing the Governments bidding on cuts People put LABOUR in power in York thinking they were going to get some thing better . York1900
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10:01am Fri 24 Aug 12

city_view says...

Gone a bit off-topic hasn't it. Going back to the original story, and some of the earlier comments ... as someone who isn't involved in local politics, has voted Labour mainly but has no strong affiliation to any party - I was really disturbed by Cllr Alexander's response and also by Cllr Crisp's comments on Twitter.

The smug Twitter exchange between Cllr Crisp and friend, about being 'on the winning side' - and the 'rotten apples' comment, makes depressing reading, as do the arrogant comments of Cllr Alexander.

Is it this weekend sometime we're supposed to be celebrating another York 800 thing, boats on the river or something? Really feel like watching these 'civic leaders' have another celebration of themselves, don't you? ...
Gone a bit off-topic hasn't it. Going back to the original story, and some of the earlier comments ... as someone who isn't involved in local politics, has voted Labour mainly but has no strong affiliation to any party - I was really disturbed by Cllr Alexander's response and also by Cllr Crisp's comments on Twitter. The smug Twitter exchange between Cllr Crisp and friend, about being 'on the winning side' - and the 'rotten apples' comment, makes depressing reading, as do the arrogant comments of Cllr Alexander. Is it this weekend sometime we're supposed to be celebrating another York 800 thing, boats on the river or something? Really feel like watching these 'civic leaders' have another celebration of themselves, don't you? ... city_view
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10:03am Fri 24 Aug 12

desmond tiblets says...

Why have posts about the two labour bullies and bigots sidley and crisp been removed does the truth hurt?
Why have posts about the two labour bullies and bigots sidley and crisp been removed does the truth hurt? desmond tiblets
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10:13am Fri 24 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

York1900 wrote:
rose_of_york wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
I used to vote LABOUR but have found that LABOUR was no better than the Tories or the Lib Dems They all seem to be in it for there own gain rather that for the betterment of the people who elected them Cllr Jeffries did the right thing in quiting LABOUR for the way LABOUR are doing the Governments bidding on cuts People put LABOUR in power in York thinking they were going to get some thing better .
I think you must have missed the entire point of the article and Lynn Jeffries resignation. Nowhere does she say this is about government cuts, it is all about choices that Labour here in York are making. They are the wrong choices but they are not to do with government cuts. She als resigned over the total lack of consultation and discussion in the James Alexande dictatorship.

Government cuts are happening, but why is that? It's the bad old Tories of course. Please stop reading at this point if you area blinkered person of the left who wants to ignore the facts.

If you are still reading.....please remember the cuts are needed as Labour spent £4 for every £3 they had, they raised debt more while in power than every other UK government (ADDED TOGETER!), they left a record debt and record deficit, they saddled every ne born baby with £25,000 of debt. If Labour had got back in they were committed to cutting 85% of the anmount, yet now they refuse to say where ANY would come from.

Support Lynn Jeffries, but please don't make up he reasons for resigning - her reasons were honourable.
[quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rose_of_york[/bold] wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.[/p][/quote]I used to vote LABOUR but have found that LABOUR was no better than the Tories or the Lib Dems They all seem to be in it for there own gain rather that for the betterment of the people who elected them Cllr Jeffries did the right thing in quiting LABOUR for the way LABOUR are doing the Governments bidding on cuts People put LABOUR in power in York thinking they were going to get some thing better .[/p][/quote]I think you must have missed the entire point of the article and Lynn Jeffries resignation. Nowhere does she say this is about government cuts, it is all about choices that Labour here in York are making. They are the wrong choices but they are not to do with government cuts. She als resigned over the total lack of consultation and discussion in the James Alexande dictatorship. Government cuts are happening, but why is that? It's the bad old Tories of course. Please stop reading at this point if you area blinkered person of the left who wants to ignore the facts. If you are still reading.....please remember the cuts are needed as Labour spent £4 for every £3 they had, they raised debt more while in power than every other UK government (ADDED TOGETER!), they left a record debt and record deficit, they saddled every ne born baby with £25,000 of debt. If Labour had got back in they were committed to cutting 85% of the anmount, yet now they refuse to say where ANY would come from. Support Lynn Jeffries, but please don't make up he reasons for resigning - her reasons were honourable. Micklegate
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10:16am Fri 24 Aug 12

York1900 says...

desmond tiblets wrote:
Why have posts about the two labour bullies and bigots sidley and crisp been removed does the truth hurt?
And my post about crisp gift returns as all so been removed
[quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: Why have posts about the two labour bullies and bigots sidley and crisp been removed does the truth hurt?[/p][/quote]And my post about crisp gift returns as all so been removed York1900
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10:24am Fri 24 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

York1900 wrote:
desmond tiblets wrote: Why have posts about the two labour bullies and bigots sidley and crisp been removed does the truth hurt?
And my post about crisp gift returns as all so been removed
This is not a free society anymore!

No doubt crisp and slippery sidel are pressing the report button and their buddy aitchison or whatever is name is (press editor) is doing the deleting!
[quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: Why have posts about the two labour bullies and bigots sidley and crisp been removed does the truth hurt?[/p][/quote]And my post about crisp gift returns as all so been removed[/p][/quote]This is not a free society anymore! No doubt crisp and slippery sidel are pressing the report button and their buddy aitchison or whatever is name is (press editor) is doing the deleting! oi oi savaloy
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10:24am Fri 24 Aug 12

Frodo Baggins says...

York1900 wrote:
rose_of_york wrote:
Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
I used to vote LABOUR but have found that LABOUR was no better than the Tories or the Lib Dems
They all seem to be in it for there own gain rather that for the betterment of the people who elected them

Cllr Jeffries did the right thing in quiting LABOUR for the way LABOUR are doing the Governments bidding on cuts

People put LABOUR in power in York thinking they were going to get some thing better


.
The people of YORK put LABOUR in power because the lib-dums were such a shambles and a disaster and the tories would simply follow the national party line and cut everything bar their expenses. Whether the people of YORK were right to vote LABOUR remains to be seen but it would appear that, at the time, the alternatives were too hideous to contemplate.
[quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rose_of_york[/bold] wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.[/p][/quote]I used to vote LABOUR but have found that LABOUR was no better than the Tories or the Lib Dems They all seem to be in it for there own gain rather that for the betterment of the people who elected them Cllr Jeffries did the right thing in quiting LABOUR for the way LABOUR are doing the Governments bidding on cuts People put LABOUR in power in York thinking they were going to get some thing better .[/p][/quote]The people of YORK put LABOUR in power because the lib-dums were such a shambles and a disaster and the tories would simply follow the national party line and cut everything bar their expenses. Whether the people of YORK were right to vote LABOUR remains to be seen but it would appear that, at the time, the alternatives were too hideous to contemplate. Frodo Baggins
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11:19am Fri 24 Aug 12

capt spaulding says...

Blackpool ......York........Bl
ackpool .....
York ??? What is going on ?
How is my council tax being spent answers please ???
Blackpool ......York........Bl ackpool ..... York ??? What is going on ? How is my council tax being spent answers please ??? capt spaulding
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11:50am Fri 24 Aug 12

TerryYork says...

>She had previously been a Labour Party member but resigned in protest at the Iraq war in 2003.<

But I bet she didn't give a **** when 500,000 Iraqis died under Saddam.

Silly cow.
>She had previously been a Labour Party member but resigned in protest at the Iraq war in 2003.< But I bet she didn't give a **** when 500,000 Iraqis died under Saddam. Silly cow. TerryYork
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11:55am Fri 24 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
so we get regular rainbow flags flying and regular pride marches just so they can say to young boys it's ok to be gay! That's practically grooming!
Getting carried away a bit there.
So buzz light year! It take you go thru the post s and report them because your a bigot and don't like the truth? Fact is on one of the recen gay pride letters somebody stated that the gay pride marches were there to show children it is ok to be gay!! AND whatever happened to free speech? Seems it doesn't exist in York
Thats going a little bit off topic. But to be honest in my world it is ok to be gay. bi, straight, black, white, Muslim, Jewish Sikh etc etc ' is it not in yours?
Actually it was very on topic But my original post with a lot of facts about how the council is been run was removed , no doubt because it outed slippery Sidley and red sonja for their agendas!

Back to your question it's fine by me whatever you are! I just don't think it's fine that people like Sidley are marching to say to young children it's fine to be gay come and join us!

Now that statement was made a number of times in comments regarding the pride marches by someone who is gay!

For your information my nephew is gay and we fully support him but then again he isn't one of these lgbt attention seekers
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]so we get regular rainbow flags flying and regular pride marches just so they can say to young boys it's ok to be gay! That's practically grooming![/quote] Getting carried away a bit there.[/p][/quote]So buzz light year! It take you go thru the post s and report them because your a bigot and don't like the truth? Fact is on one of the recen gay pride letters somebody stated that the gay pride marches were there to show children it is ok to be gay!! AND whatever happened to free speech? Seems it doesn't exist in York[/p][/quote]Thats going a little bit off topic. But to be honest in my world it is ok to be gay. bi, straight, black, white, Muslim, Jewish Sikh etc etc ' is it not in yours?[/p][/quote]Actually it was very on topic But my original post with a lot of facts about how the council is been run was removed , no doubt because it outed slippery Sidley and red sonja for their agendas! Back to your question it's fine by me whatever you are! I just don't think it's fine that people like Sidley are marching to say to young children it's fine to be gay come and join us! Now that statement was made a number of times in comments regarding the pride marches by someone who is gay! For your information my nephew is gay and we fully support him but then again he isn't one of these lgbt attention seekers oi oi savaloy
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12:02pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
so we get regular rainbow flags flying and regular pride marches just so they can say to young boys it's ok to be gay! That's practically grooming!
Getting carried away a bit there.
So buzz light year! It take you go thru the post s and report them because your a bigot and don't like the truth? Fact is on one of the recen gay pride letters somebody stated that the gay pride marches were there to show children it is ok to be gay!! AND whatever happened to free speech? Seems it doesn't exist in York
You're getting very carried away now.
I had only two things to say about all this: politics is ugly, and some people are getting carried away.

However, since you make the disgraceful inference that I'm "a bigot and don't like the truth" from those two things I'm going to have to say more.

I don't want to be involved in the gay pride storm in a teacup as it's old news and frankly doesn't concern me but if you can't understand that the gay pride letter stated that they were there to show *gay* kids it's ok to be what they *are*, not to tell all kids they should give it a try, how am I the bigot out of us two?

I never report others' posts. I am vehemently against censorship. It's poor form when the Press removes comments.
I much prefer the record to stand for everyone to see, for the author to be shown to be the genius or fool they may be.

Tell me this Einstein - if I wanted your comments removed... *Why would I quote them?*

You could retract your abuse, I would accept your apology.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]so we get regular rainbow flags flying and regular pride marches just so they can say to young boys it's ok to be gay! That's practically grooming![/quote] Getting carried away a bit there.[/p][/quote]So buzz light year! It take you go thru the post s and report them because your a bigot and don't like the truth? Fact is on one of the recen gay pride letters somebody stated that the gay pride marches were there to show children it is ok to be gay!! AND whatever happened to free speech? Seems it doesn't exist in York[/p][/quote]You're getting very carried away now. I had only two things to say about all this: politics is ugly, and some people are getting carried away. However, since you make the disgraceful inference that I'm "a bigot and don't like the truth" from those two things I'm going to have to say more. I don't want to be involved in the gay pride storm in a teacup as it's old news and frankly doesn't concern me but if you can't understand that the gay pride letter stated that they were there to show *gay* kids it's ok to be what they *are*, not to tell all kids they should give it a try, how am I the bigot out of us two? I never report others' posts. I am vehemently against censorship. It's poor form when the Press removes comments. I much prefer the record to stand for everyone to see, for the author to be shown to be the genius or fool they may be. Tell me this Einstein - if I wanted your comments removed... *Why would I quote them?* You could retract your abuse, I would accept your apology. Buzz Light-year
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12:10pm Fri 24 Aug 12

York1900 says...

Micklegate wrote:
York1900 wrote:
rose_of_york wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
I used to vote LABOUR but have found that LABOUR was no better than the Tories or the Lib Dems They all seem to be in it for there own gain rather that for the betterment of the people who elected them Cllr Jeffries did the right thing in quiting LABOUR for the way LABOUR are doing the Governments bidding on cuts People put LABOUR in power in York thinking they were going to get some thing better .
I think you must have missed the entire point of the article and Lynn Jeffries resignation. Nowhere does she say this is about government cuts, it is all about choices that Labour here in York are making. They are the wrong choices but they are not to do with government cuts. She als resigned over the total lack of consultation and discussion in the James Alexande dictatorship.

Government cuts are happening, but why is that? It's the bad old Tories of course. Please stop reading at this point if you area blinkered person of the left who wants to ignore the facts.

If you are still reading.....please remember the cuts are needed as Labour spent £4 for every £3 they had, they raised debt more while in power than every other UK government (ADDED TOGETER!), they left a record debt and record deficit, they saddled every ne born baby with £25,000 of debt. If Labour had got back in they were committed to cutting 85% of the anmount, yet now they refuse to say where ANY would come from.

Support Lynn Jeffries, but please don't make up he reasons for resigning - her reasons were honourable.
Quote

"In a stinging statement issued to The Press, Coun Jeffries said:

•The group ignored residents over the proposed sale of Union Terrace car park, the closure of Beckfield Lane waste recycling centre and the removal of 349 litter bins.

•Labour councillors struggle to make their voices heard and are told how to vote on most issues by the group’s leaders, with no room for a full debate.

•Council leader James Alexander and Coun Tracey Simpson-Laing, cabinet member for social services issues, refused to listen to “reasoned argument” over the care cuts, and the group’s mind had been made up ahead of the consultation on the issue.

•The party was more interested in its “public profile” and that of Coun Alexander than representing residents."

Sorry to say you have not read it then and understood it stop trying to sell council side and government

All the cuts that the council are doing are all the cuts that the government want all councils to do


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[quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rose_of_york[/bold] wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.[/p][/quote]I used to vote LABOUR but have found that LABOUR was no better than the Tories or the Lib Dems They all seem to be in it for there own gain rather that for the betterment of the people who elected them Cllr Jeffries did the right thing in quiting LABOUR for the way LABOUR are doing the Governments bidding on cuts People put LABOUR in power in York thinking they were going to get some thing better .[/p][/quote]I think you must have missed the entire point of the article and Lynn Jeffries resignation. Nowhere does she say this is about government cuts, it is all about choices that Labour here in York are making. They are the wrong choices but they are not to do with government cuts. She als resigned over the total lack of consultation and discussion in the James Alexande dictatorship. Government cuts are happening, but why is that? It's the bad old Tories of course. Please stop reading at this point if you area blinkered person of the left who wants to ignore the facts. If you are still reading.....please remember the cuts are needed as Labour spent £4 for every £3 they had, they raised debt more while in power than every other UK government (ADDED TOGETER!), they left a record debt and record deficit, they saddled every ne born baby with £25,000 of debt. If Labour had got back in they were committed to cutting 85% of the anmount, yet now they refuse to say where ANY would come from. Support Lynn Jeffries, but please don't make up he reasons for resigning - her reasons were honourable.[/p][/quote]Quote "In a stinging statement issued to The Press, Coun Jeffries said: •The group ignored residents over the proposed sale of Union Terrace car park, the closure of Beckfield Lane waste recycling centre and the removal of 349 litter bins. •Labour councillors struggle to make their voices heard and are told how to vote on most issues by the group’s leaders, with no room for a full debate. •Council leader James Alexander and Coun Tracey Simpson-Laing, cabinet member for social services issues, refused to listen to “reasoned argument” over the care cuts, and the group’s mind had been made up ahead of the consultation on the issue. •The party was more interested in its “public profile” and that of Coun Alexander than representing residents." Sorry to say you have not read it then and understood it stop trying to sell council side and government All the cuts that the council are doing are all the cuts that the government want all councils to do . York1900
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12:17pm Fri 24 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
so we get regular rainbow flags flying and regular pride marches just so they can say to young boys it's ok to be gay! That's practically grooming!
Getting carried away a bit there.
So buzz light year! It take you go thru the post s and report them because your a bigot and don't like the truth? Fact is on one of the recen gay pride letters somebody stated that the gay pride marches were there to show children it is ok to be gay!! AND whatever happened to free speech? Seems it doesn't exist in York
You're getting very carried away now. I had only two things to say about all this: politics is ugly, and some people are getting carried away. However, since you make the disgraceful inference that I'm &quot;a bigot and don't like the truth" from those two things I'm going to have to say more. I don't want to be involved in the gay pride storm in a teacup as it's old news and frankly doesn't concern me but if you can't understand that the gay pride letter stated that they were there to show *gay* kids it's ok to be what they *are*, not to tell all kids they should give it a try, how am I the bigot out of us two? I never report others' posts. I am vehemently against censorship. It's poor form when the Press removes comments. I much prefer the record to stand for everyone to see, for the author to be shown to be the genius or fool they may be. Tell me this Einstein - if I wanted your comments removed... *Why would I quote them?* You could retract your abuse, I would accept your apology.
Why should I apologise to you?

1, I asked you a question, I didn't state you were anything!

2, you only quoted a small portion of the post that was deleted
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]so we get regular rainbow flags flying and regular pride marches just so they can say to young boys it's ok to be gay! That's practically grooming![/quote] Getting carried away a bit there.[/p][/quote]So buzz light year! It take you go thru the post s and report them because your a bigot and don't like the truth? Fact is on one of the recen gay pride letters somebody stated that the gay pride marches were there to show children it is ok to be gay!! AND whatever happened to free speech? Seems it doesn't exist in York[/p][/quote]You're getting very carried away now. I had only two things to say about all this: politics is ugly, and some people are getting carried away. However, since you make the disgraceful inference that I'm "a bigot and don't like the truth" from those two things I'm going to have to say more. I don't want to be involved in the gay pride storm in a teacup as it's old news and frankly doesn't concern me but if you can't understand that the gay pride letter stated that they were there to show *gay* kids it's ok to be what they *are*, not to tell all kids they should give it a try, how am I the bigot out of us two? I never report others' posts. I am vehemently against censorship. It's poor form when the Press removes comments. I much prefer the record to stand for everyone to see, for the author to be shown to be the genius or fool they may be. Tell me this Einstein - if I wanted your comments removed... *Why would I quote them?* You could retract your abuse, I would accept your apology.[/p][/quote]Why should I apologise to you? 1, I asked you a question, I didn't state you were anything! 2, you only quoted a small portion of the post that was deleted oi oi savaloy
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12:36pm Fri 24 Aug 12

mallory says...

Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included "Rotten apple out the way and move on;) "..

she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ".

she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.
Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included "Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'. mallory
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12:45pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
so we get regular rainbow flags flying and regular pride marches just so they can say to young boys it's ok to be gay! That's practically grooming!
Getting carried away a bit there.
So buzz light year! It take you go thru the post s and report them because your a bigot and don't like the truth? Fact is on one of the recen gay pride letters somebody stated that the gay pride marches were there to show children it is ok to be gay!! AND whatever happened to free speech? Seems it doesn't exist in York
You're getting very carried away now. I had only two things to say about all this: politics is ugly, and some people are getting carried away. However, since you make the disgraceful inference that I'm &quot;a bigot and don't like the truth" from those two things I'm going to have to say more. I don't want to be involved in the gay pride storm in a teacup as it's old news and frankly doesn't concern me but if you can't understand that the gay pride letter stated that they were there to show *gay* kids it's ok to be what they *are*, not to tell all kids they should give it a try, how am I the bigot out of us two? I never report others' posts. I am vehemently against censorship. It's poor form when the Press removes comments. I much prefer the record to stand for everyone to see, for the author to be shown to be the genius or fool they may be. Tell me this Einstein - if I wanted your comments removed... *Why would I quote them?* You could retract your abuse, I would accept your apology.
Why should I apologise to you? 1, I asked you a question, I didn't state you were anything! 2, you only quoted a small portion of the post that was deleted
And I didn't say you stated I said you inferred.

Seems you're another one who happily drops abuse without a care and refuses to hold their hand up and apologise ever for anything.

Worse than bent politicos,that is society's biggest problem at the moment and you are a part of it.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]so we get regular rainbow flags flying and regular pride marches just so they can say to young boys it's ok to be gay! That's practically grooming![/quote] Getting carried away a bit there.[/p][/quote]So buzz light year! It take you go thru the post s and report them because your a bigot and don't like the truth? Fact is on one of the recen gay pride letters somebody stated that the gay pride marches were there to show children it is ok to be gay!! AND whatever happened to free speech? Seems it doesn't exist in York[/p][/quote]You're getting very carried away now. I had only two things to say about all this: politics is ugly, and some people are getting carried away. However, since you make the disgraceful inference that I'm "a bigot and don't like the truth" from those two things I'm going to have to say more. I don't want to be involved in the gay pride storm in a teacup as it's old news and frankly doesn't concern me but if you can't understand that the gay pride letter stated that they were there to show *gay* kids it's ok to be what they *are*, not to tell all kids they should give it a try, how am I the bigot out of us two? I never report others' posts. I am vehemently against censorship. It's poor form when the Press removes comments. I much prefer the record to stand for everyone to see, for the author to be shown to be the genius or fool they may be. Tell me this Einstein - if I wanted your comments removed... *Why would I quote them?* You could retract your abuse, I would accept your apology.[/p][/quote]Why should I apologise to you? 1, I asked you a question, I didn't state you were anything! 2, you only quoted a small portion of the post that was deleted[/p][/quote]And I didn't say you stated I said you inferred. Seems you're another one who happily drops abuse without a care and refuses to hold their hand up and apologise ever for anything. Worse than bent politicos,that is society's biggest problem at the moment and you are a part of it. Buzz Light-year
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1:06pm Fri 24 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote:
so we get regular rainbow flags flying and regular pride marches just so they can say to young boys it's ok to be gay! That's practically grooming!
Getting carried away a bit there.
So buzz light year! It take you go thru the post s and report them because your a bigot and don't like the truth? Fact is on one of the recen gay pride letters somebody stated that the gay pride marches were there to show children it is ok to be gay!! AND whatever happened to free speech? Seems it doesn't exist in York
You're getting very carried away now. I had only two things to say about all this: politics is ugly, and some people are getting carried away. However, since you make the disgraceful inference that I'm &quot;a bigot and don't like the truth" from those two things I'm going to have to say more. I don't want to be involved in the gay pride storm in a teacup as it's old news and frankly doesn't concern me but if you can't understand that the gay pride letter stated that they were there to show *gay* kids it's ok to be what they *are*, not to tell all kids they should give it a try, how am I the bigot out of us two? I never report others' posts. I am vehemently against censorship. It's poor form when the Press removes comments. I much prefer the record to stand for everyone to see, for the author to be shown to be the genius or fool they may be. Tell me this Einstein - if I wanted your comments removed... *Why would I quote them?* You could retract your abuse, I would accept your apology.
Why should I apologise to you? 1, I asked you a question, I didn't state you were anything! 2, you only quoted a small portion of the post that was deleted
And I didn't say you stated I said you inferred.

Seems you're another one who happily drops abuse without a care and refuses to hold their hand up and apologise ever for anything.

Worse than bent politicos,that is society's biggest problem at the moment and you are a part of it.
now its you slinging abuse, not inferring!

hows it ok for you to sling abuse and for me to infer it in a question??


get over yourself!
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote]so we get regular rainbow flags flying and regular pride marches just so they can say to young boys it's ok to be gay! That's practically grooming![/quote] Getting carried away a bit there.[/p][/quote]So buzz light year! It take you go thru the post s and report them because your a bigot and don't like the truth? Fact is on one of the recen gay pride letters somebody stated that the gay pride marches were there to show children it is ok to be gay!! AND whatever happened to free speech? Seems it doesn't exist in York[/p][/quote]You're getting very carried away now. I had only two things to say about all this: politics is ugly, and some people are getting carried away. However, since you make the disgraceful inference that I'm "a bigot and don't like the truth" from those two things I'm going to have to say more. I don't want to be involved in the gay pride storm in a teacup as it's old news and frankly doesn't concern me but if you can't understand that the gay pride letter stated that they were there to show *gay* kids it's ok to be what they *are*, not to tell all kids they should give it a try, how am I the bigot out of us two? I never report others' posts. I am vehemently against censorship. It's poor form when the Press removes comments. I much prefer the record to stand for everyone to see, for the author to be shown to be the genius or fool they may be. Tell me this Einstein - if I wanted your comments removed... *Why would I quote them?* You could retract your abuse, I would accept your apology.[/p][/quote]Why should I apologise to you? 1, I asked you a question, I didn't state you were anything! 2, you only quoted a small portion of the post that was deleted[/p][/quote]And I didn't say you stated I said you inferred. Seems you're another one who happily drops abuse without a care and refuses to hold their hand up and apologise ever for anything. Worse than bent politicos,that is society's biggest problem at the moment and you are a part of it.[/p][/quote]now its you slinging abuse, not inferring! hows it ok for you to sling abuse and for me to infer it in a question?? get over yourself! oi oi savaloy
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1:16pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

mallory wrote:
Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included &quot;Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.
Absolute rubbish !

I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies !
[quote][p][bold]mallory[/bold] wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included "Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish ! I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:24pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Jeff_li says...

Barbara Boyce has her twitter account set to private - removing her from open contact with the public she apparently serves. Instead she can cherry pick those she sees as privileged enough to be able to follow her and are not likely to disagree with her.

Crisp simply blocks people who she can't beat in an open discussion or questions her and then results to petty school playground style insults.

I'm not a fan of James Alexander either but at least he has replied to people's tweets to defend his (wrong) decisions in the past. Although it's clear he's using York as a stepping stone to go onto bigger things.

Hardly aligning themselves with the people of York are they? It's very sad that York is being "run" by these people. They seem to have forgotten they work for us and not just in it to raise their own profile.
Barbara Boyce has her twitter account set to private - removing her from open contact with the public she apparently serves. Instead she can cherry pick those she sees as privileged enough to be able to follow her and are not likely to disagree with her. Crisp simply blocks people who she can't beat in an open discussion or questions her and then results to petty school playground style insults. I'm not a fan of James Alexander either but at least he has replied to people's tweets to defend his (wrong) decisions in the past. Although it's clear he's using York as a stepping stone to go onto bigger things. Hardly aligning themselves with the people of York are they? It's very sad that York is being "run" by these people. They seem to have forgotten they work for us and not just in it to raise their own profile. Jeff_li
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1:27pm Fri 24 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
mallory wrote:
Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included &quot;Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.
Absolute rubbish !

I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies !
rotten apple:

you can use rotten apple to talk about a person who is dishonest and causes a lot of problems for the group or organization they belong to.

the only rotten news around here is the rotten politicians/councill
ors and wannabe councillors that belong to the york branch of the labour party!
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mallory[/bold] wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included "Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish ! I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies ![/p][/quote]rotten apple: you can use rotten apple to talk about a person who is dishonest and causes a lot of problems for the group or organization they belong to. the only rotten news around here is the rotten politicians/councill ors and wannabe councillors that belong to the york branch of the labour party! oi oi savaloy
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1:29pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
mallory wrote:
Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included &quot;Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.
Absolute rubbish !

I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies !
Ha ha you couln't make up Sonja Crisp's stupidity!! The twitter account she replied to has been set up for this sole reason and has one follower and follows one person!
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mallory[/bold] wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included "Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish ! I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies ![/p][/quote]Ha ha you couln't make up Sonja Crisp's stupidity!! The twitter account she replied to has been set up for this sole reason and has one follower and follows one person! Micklegate
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1:29pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

I'm not slinging abuse.

1. I said you needlessly used the word bigot and wrongly inferred that I would report posts because I don't like the truth.

2. I said you did that and you refused to retract or apologise.

3. I said that the inability to capitulate is one of society's biggest ills.


All of that is observation (again I prefer the record to stand so readers can judge for themselves)
You think that's abuse?

I would say that out of this epic hundred-odd comment release of frustration with our leadership, my comments are probably the least abusive of them all.

I didn't deserve your over-reaction at all, it was inappropriate and unnecessary.
I'm not slinging abuse. 1. I said you needlessly used the word bigot and wrongly inferred that I would report posts because I don't like the truth. 2. I said you did that and you refused to retract or apologise. 3. I said that the inability to capitulate is one of society's biggest ills. All of that is observation (again I prefer the record to stand so readers can judge for themselves) You think that's abuse? I would say that out of this epic hundred-odd comment release of frustration with our leadership, my comments are probably the least abusive of them all. I didn't deserve your over-reaction at all, it was inappropriate and unnecessary. Buzz Light-year
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1:32pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Above addressed to savaloy of course
Above addressed to savaloy of course Buzz Light-year
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1:43pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Micklegate wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
mallory wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included &quot;Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.
Absolute rubbish ! I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies !
Ha ha you couln't make up Sonja Crisp's stupidity!! The twitter account she replied to has been set up for this sole reason and has one follower and follows one person!
Crisp obviously set up the account herself, and tried to make it look convincing by not answering her own question for a few hours to give the illusion that she hadn't been online or seen it.

This is typical Labour-style spin, manipulation, cheating and lying.

Crisp should be made to stand down. She is a disgrace. Loyal only to Labour, not York. She is not a winner - she's a loser, but when she goes, it will be no loss to York and it's people !!!
[quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mallory[/bold] wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included "Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish ! I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies ![/p][/quote]Ha ha you couln't make up Sonja Crisp's stupidity!! The twitter account she replied to has been set up for this sole reason and has one follower and follows one person![/p][/quote]Crisp obviously set up the account herself, and tried to make it look convincing by not answering her own question for a few hours to give the illusion that she hadn't been online or seen it. This is typical Labour-style spin, manipulation, cheating and lying. Crisp should be made to stand down. She is a disgrace. Loyal only to Labour, not York. She is not a winner - she's a loser, but when she goes, it will be no loss to York and it's people !!! Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:49pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Micklegate wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
mallory wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included &quot;Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.
Absolute rubbish ! I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies !
Ha ha you couln't make up Sonja Crisp's stupidity!! The twitter account she replied to has been set up for this sole reason and has one follower and follows one person!
Crisp obviously set up the account herself, and tried to make it look convincing by not answering her own question for a few hours to give the illusion that she hadn't been online or seen it.

This is typical Labour-style spin, manipulation, cheating and lying.

Crisp should be made to stand down. She is a disgrace. Loyal only to Labour, not York. She is not a winner - she's a loser, but when she goes, it will be no loss to York and it's people !!!
The ironic thing is she would have been facing accusations of offensive and insulting behaviour, now she can add lying and deception to the list!
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mallory[/bold] wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included "Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish ! I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies ![/p][/quote]Ha ha you couln't make up Sonja Crisp's stupidity!! The twitter account she replied to has been set up for this sole reason and has one follower and follows one person![/p][/quote]Crisp obviously set up the account herself, and tried to make it look convincing by not answering her own question for a few hours to give the illusion that she hadn't been online or seen it. This is typical Labour-style spin, manipulation, cheating and lying. Crisp should be made to stand down. She is a disgrace. Loyal only to Labour, not York. She is not a winner - she's a loser, but when she goes, it will be no loss to York and it's people !!![/p][/quote]The ironic thing is she would have been facing accusations of offensive and insulting behaviour, now she can add lying and deception to the list! Micklegate
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1:56pm Fri 24 Aug 12

desmond tiblets says...

Micklegate wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Micklegate wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
mallory wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included &quot;Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.
Absolute rubbish ! I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies !
Ha ha you couln't make up Sonja Crisp's stupidity!! The twitter account she replied to has been set up for this sole reason and has one follower and follows one person!
Crisp obviously set up the account herself, and tried to make it look convincing by not answering her own question for a few hours to give the illusion that she hadn't been online or seen it.

This is typical Labour-style spin, manipulation, cheating and lying.

Crisp should be made to stand down. She is a disgrace. Loyal only to Labour, not York. She is not a winner - she's a loser, but when she goes, it will be no loss to York and it's people !!!
The ironic thing is she would have been facing accusations of offensive and insulting behaviour, now she can add lying and deception to the list!
councillor crisp doesn't come across as a very nice person or competent for that matter
[quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mallory[/bold] wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included "Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish ! I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies ![/p][/quote]Ha ha you couln't make up Sonja Crisp's stupidity!! The twitter account she replied to has been set up for this sole reason and has one follower and follows one person![/p][/quote]Crisp obviously set up the account herself, and tried to make it look convincing by not answering her own question for a few hours to give the illusion that she hadn't been online or seen it. This is typical Labour-style spin, manipulation, cheating and lying. Crisp should be made to stand down. She is a disgrace. Loyal only to Labour, not York. She is not a winner - she's a loser, but when she goes, it will be no loss to York and it's people !!![/p][/quote]The ironic thing is she would have been facing accusations of offensive and insulting behaviour, now she can add lying and deception to the list![/p][/quote]councillor crisp doesn't come across as a very nice person or competent for that matter desmond tiblets
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4:09pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Pete the Brickie says...

mallory wrote:
Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included &quot;Rotten apple out the way and move on;) "..

she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ".

she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.
Her use of English is either very poor or she's using the worst excuse I've ever heard to justify insulting someone.
[quote][p][bold]mallory[/bold] wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included "Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.[/p][/quote]Her use of English is either very poor or she's using the worst excuse I've ever heard to justify insulting someone. Pete the Brickie
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4:12pm Fri 24 Aug 12

inthesticks says...

mallory wrote:
Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included &quot;Rotten apple out the way and move on;) "..

she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ".

she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.
Yeah right, of course we all believe that this educated woman with a decent career in local government doesn`t know the meaning of the phrase "rotten apple".
>
Here it is then just so she knows when to use it in future: A rotten apple is a member of a group, or a single element in a set of things, that is bad and likely to corrupt the other people or things in the group.
Primary school stuff really I would say, and I would also use another phrase to refer to her pathetic back peddling - "Pull the other one...."
And here`s another relevant phrase " You can`t fool all of the people all of the time"
Personally I hate facebook and twitter but if you will insist on putting your real thoughts out there for the world to see don`t be surprised when it comes back to bite you on the a$$!
[quote][p][bold]mallory[/bold] wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included "Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.[/p][/quote]Yeah right, of course we all believe that this educated woman with a decent career in local government doesn`t know the meaning of the phrase "rotten apple". > Here it is then just so she knows when to use it in future: A rotten apple is a member of a group, or a single element in a set of things, that is bad and likely to corrupt the other people or things in the group. Primary school stuff really I would say, and I would also use another phrase to refer to her pathetic back peddling - "Pull the other one...." And here`s another relevant phrase " You can`t fool all of the people all of the time" Personally I hate facebook and twitter but if you will insist on putting your real thoughts out there for the world to see don`t be surprised when it comes back to bite you on the a$$! inthesticks
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7:05pm Fri 24 Aug 12

nearlyman says...

What a shame this all is for York. I was rather hoping Mr Alexander would get the call and abandon York for the greater things he clearly believes are out there for him. Trouble is, yet another diabolical PR disaster is going to mean he will be leeching off the fat of York for considerably longer than was his master plan. This unfortunately is the politics of today. Gone are the days when all councillors were doing it for the greater good for little recompense to themselves. Until the electorate grow up and actually vote for someone who is genuinely interested in doing good for their community rather than spouting their tired political standpoints we will continue to be lumbered with the imbeciles and political aspirant nobodies we currently endure. Who on earth would employ JA out of politics ? Huge credit to councillor Jeffries for making what must have been a tough decision...........a
nd you residents of Foxwood, make sure you reward her for it next time round...........when
ever it is.
What a shame this all is for York. I was rather hoping Mr Alexander would get the call and abandon York for the greater things he clearly believes are out there for him. Trouble is, yet another diabolical PR disaster is going to mean he will be leeching off the fat of York for considerably longer than was his master plan. This unfortunately is the politics of today. Gone are the days when all councillors were doing it for the greater good for little recompense to themselves. Until the electorate grow up and actually vote for someone who is genuinely interested in doing good for their community rather than spouting their tired political standpoints we will continue to be lumbered with the imbeciles and political aspirant nobodies we currently endure. Who on earth would employ JA out of politics ? Huge credit to councillor Jeffries for making what must have been a tough decision...........a nd you residents of Foxwood, make sure you reward her for it next time round...........when ever it is. nearlyman
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7:55pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Frodo Baggins says...

nearlyman wrote:
What a shame this all is for York. I was rather hoping Mr Alexander would get the call and abandon York for the greater things he clearly believes are out there for him. Trouble is, yet another diabolical PR disaster is going to mean he will be leeching off the fat of York for considerably longer than was his master plan. This unfortunately is the politics of today. Gone are the days when all councillors were doing it for the greater good for little recompense to themselves. Until the electorate grow up and actually vote for someone who is genuinely interested in doing good for their community rather than spouting their tired political standpoints we will continue to be lumbered with the imbeciles and political aspirant nobodies we currently endure. Who on earth would employ JA out of politics ? Huge credit to councillor Jeffries for making what must have been a tough decision...........a

nd you residents of Foxwood, make sure you reward her for it next time round...........when

ever it is.
In all honesty, if she doesn't do the honourable thing now and resign her seat, I wouldn't give her the steam off my pi$$ at the next election.
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: What a shame this all is for York. I was rather hoping Mr Alexander would get the call and abandon York for the greater things he clearly believes are out there for him. Trouble is, yet another diabolical PR disaster is going to mean he will be leeching off the fat of York for considerably longer than was his master plan. This unfortunately is the politics of today. Gone are the days when all councillors were doing it for the greater good for little recompense to themselves. Until the electorate grow up and actually vote for someone who is genuinely interested in doing good for their community rather than spouting their tired political standpoints we will continue to be lumbered with the imbeciles and political aspirant nobodies we currently endure. Who on earth would employ JA out of politics ? Huge credit to councillor Jeffries for making what must have been a tough decision...........a nd you residents of Foxwood, make sure you reward her for it next time round...........when ever it is.[/p][/quote]In all honesty, if she doesn't do the honourable thing now and resign her seat, I wouldn't give her the steam off my pi$$ at the next election. Frodo Baggins
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8:05pm Fri 24 Aug 12

Frodo Baggins says...

York1900 wrote:
rose_of_york wrote:
Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
I used to vote LABOUR but have found that LABOUR was no better than the Tories or the Lib Dems
They all seem to be in it for there own gain rather that for the betterment of the people who elected them

Cllr Jeffries did the right thing in quiting LABOUR for the way LABOUR are doing the Governments bidding on cuts

People put LABOUR in power in York thinking they were going to get some thing better


.
I used to vote LABOUR but have found that LABOUR was no better than the Tories or the Lib Dems
They all seem to be in it for there own gain rather that for the betterment of the people who elected them

"...........Cllr Jeffries did the right thing in quiting LABOUR for the way LABOUR are doing the Governments bidding on cuts

People put LABOUR in power in York thinking they were going to get some thing better.........."

Above is a copy & paste of what you said yesterday........try changing your tune, if the intellect allows, and think of something new or please keep it shut.
[quote][p][bold]York1900[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rose_of_york[/bold] wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.[/p][/quote]I used to vote LABOUR but have found that LABOUR was no better than the Tories or the Lib Dems They all seem to be in it for there own gain rather that for the betterment of the people who elected them Cllr Jeffries did the right thing in quiting LABOUR for the way LABOUR are doing the Governments bidding on cuts People put LABOUR in power in York thinking they were going to get some thing better .[/p][/quote]I used to vote LABOUR but have found that LABOUR was no better than the Tories or the Lib Dems They all seem to be in it for there own gain rather that for the betterment of the people who elected them "...........Cllr Jeffries did the right thing in quiting LABOUR for the way LABOUR are doing the Governments bidding on cuts People put LABOUR in power in York thinking they were going to get some thing better.........." Above is a copy & paste of what you said yesterday........try changing your tune, if the intellect allows, and think of something new or please keep it shut. Frodo Baggins
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11:37pm Fri 24 Aug 12

yorkispants says...

parish councillor,city councillor,local mp,local mep,gov.minister or prime minister labour,lib dem,tory or other all without exception are cheating,lying,under
hand,out for themselves,sell their granny to save their neck scumbags
parish councillor,city councillor,local mp,local mep,gov.minister or prime minister labour,lib dem,tory or other all without exception are cheating,lying,under hand,out for themselves,sell their granny to save their neck scumbags yorkispants
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7:58am Sat 25 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Micklegate wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
mallory wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included &quot;Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.
Absolute rubbish ! I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies !
Ha ha you couln't make up Sonja Crisp's stupidity!! The twitter account she replied to has been set up for this sole reason and has one follower and follows one person!
Crisp obviously set up the account herself, and tried to make it look convincing by not answering her own question for a few hours to give the illusion that she hadn't been online or seen it.

This is typical Labour-style spin, manipulation, cheating and lying.

Crisp should be made to stand down. She is a disgrace. Loyal only to Labour, not York. She is not a winner - she's a loser, but when she goes, it will be no loss to York and it's people !!!
No doubt shell be taken to task over this. One day complaining she's the victim of "verbal abuse" the next day dishing it out. Hoisted by her own petard te hypocrite.

Then there's Blackpool.

With a bit of luck shell be offering her resignation soon. Spend more time with the family (this time not in tax oayers money)
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mallory[/bold] wrote: Councillor Crisp has kindly clarified what she meant by her tweet that included "Rotten apple out the way and move on;) ".. she tweeted this morning: "I'm referring to rotten news, rotten vibes.... ". she was not, by her own statement, referring to Councillor Lynn Jeffries as a 'rotten apple'.[/p][/quote]Absolute rubbish ! I saw 'MalloryNorway's tweeted question to Coun Crisp asking for clarification on who she was referring to, and her answer was as false as she is. You don't refer to news and vibes as, 'a rotten apple' it's very poor english, and an even poorer excuse. Coun Crisp is lying. She was caught out, and everyone apart from Mallory knows who she was referring to. We won't be fooled by these cheating Labour bullies ![/p][/quote]Ha ha you couln't make up Sonja Crisp's stupidity!! The twitter account she replied to has been set up for this sole reason and has one follower and follows one person![/p][/quote]Crisp obviously set up the account herself, and tried to make it look convincing by not answering her own question for a few hours to give the illusion that she hadn't been online or seen it. This is typical Labour-style spin, manipulation, cheating and lying. Crisp should be made to stand down. She is a disgrace. Loyal only to Labour, not York. She is not a winner - she's a loser, but when she goes, it will be no loss to York and it's people !!![/p][/quote]No doubt shell be taken to task over this. One day complaining she's the victim of "verbal abuse" the next day dishing it out. Hoisted by her own petard te hypocrite. Then there's Blackpool. With a bit of luck shell be offering her resignation soon. Spend more time with the family (this time not in tax oayers money) Torycouncil2015
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11:57am Sat 25 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

It's all coming apart at the seams for James Alexander and his 'losing team' :

* Ruth Potter quits cabinet.
* Dave Merrett walks out of MX2 planning meeting.
* Sandy Fraser quits cabinet.
* Lynn Jeffries quits Labour group.
* Sonja Crisp makes Twitter gaff, and her resignation is called for.

How many more will his team lose ?

Is this a reflection of poor inexperienced leadership ? Maybe the leader should quit before there is a vote of no confidence ?
It's all coming apart at the seams for James Alexander and his 'losing team' : * Ruth Potter quits cabinet. * Dave Merrett walks out of MX2 planning meeting. * Sandy Fraser quits cabinet. * Lynn Jeffries quits Labour group. * Sonja Crisp makes Twitter gaff, and her resignation is called for. How many more will his team lose ? Is this a reflection of poor inexperienced leadership ? Maybe the leader should quit before there is a vote of no confidence ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:46pm Sat 25 Aug 12

peter123456 says...

You are right about one thing York does deserve better. This week in your York press issue are two Islamic items. "York mosque plans get the go-ahead and Islamic event cancelled at 11th hour". Why can we not post comments about these issues. This is WRONG WRONG WRONG. We can comment on all other issues just about so why not these.
You are right about one thing York does deserve better. This week in your York press issue are two Islamic items. "York mosque plans get the go-ahead and Islamic event cancelled at 11th hour". Why can we not post comments about these issues. This is WRONG WRONG WRONG. We can comment on all other issues just about so why not these. peter123456
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2:58pm Sat 25 Aug 12

peter123456 says...

Just shows you the depths the Labour party and candidate Sonja Crisp as sunk to collect more votes for her party by sponsoring the Islamic faith and community in York.
Just shows you the depths the Labour party and candidate Sonja Crisp as sunk to collect more votes for her party by sponsoring the Islamic faith and community in York. peter123456
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3:45pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Hoofarted says...

The ever circulating angst thred keeps spitting, snarling, wishing, hoping and hating. But fear not bitterly unhappy ones. The council is in safe hands now and it will ride the storm of Tory created treble dip recession.
The ever circulating angst thred keeps spitting, snarling, wishing, hoping and hating. But fear not bitterly unhappy ones. The council is in safe hands now and it will ride the storm of Tory created treble dip recession. Hoofarted
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4:46pm Sat 25 Aug 12

www.yorkstories.co.uk says...

This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults.

Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories.

But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me.

And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)
This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!) www.yorkstories.co.uk
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5:16pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Indigi says...

Can we bring this back to the original article please! Cllr Lynn Jeffries has done York the biggest favour she could possibly do.

Crisp and her twittering pal Sidley just confirm how rotten the York Labour group are.

But will labour learn? Will they change? I doubt it it because they are too tied up with themselves.

The issue that finally pushed Lynn to resign - the sham consultation on social care - is important. We must not lose it. People will suffer because of the way CYC will handle the cuts to social care.

Lobby the CYC to do another, proper consultation.Ask for Lynn to lead it then they'd get it right. If we don't support Lynn on this then all our comments and support mean nothing.
Can we bring this back to the original article please! Cllr Lynn Jeffries has done York the biggest favour she could possibly do. Crisp and her twittering pal Sidley just confirm how rotten the York Labour group are. But will labour learn? Will they change? I doubt it it because they are too tied up with themselves. The issue that finally pushed Lynn to resign - the sham consultation on social care - is important. We must not lose it. People will suffer because of the way CYC will handle the cuts to social care. Lobby the CYC to do another, proper consultation.Ask for Lynn to lead it then they'd get it right. If we don't support Lynn on this then all our comments and support mean nothing. Indigi
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6:25pm Sat 25 Aug 12

yorkispants says...

www.yorkstories.co.u
k
wrote:
This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults.

Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories.

But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me.

And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)
its plaggy terry
[quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)[/p][/quote]its plaggy terry yorkispants
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6:37pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

www.yorkstories.co.u
k
wrote:
This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)
Ha, ha, ha..... you can't be serious ?

@MalloryNorway's twitter account was set up purposely to ask 'Red Sonja' Crisp to clarify the 'rotten apples' gaff, who then tried to deny she was referring to Coun Lynn Jeffries.

Mallory's twiiter account had one follower and was following one other - who do readers think it was ? It was @YorkStories ! I bet who is behind this twitter page, is also Mallory, and is a very good fiend or stooge of Red Sonja ? !!!!

If this is as far fetched as you suggest, come on tell us who you are, and if you know Coun Crisp ?
[quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)[/p][/quote]Ha, ha, ha..... you can't be serious ? @MalloryNorway's twitter account was set up purposely to ask 'Red Sonja' Crisp to clarify the 'rotten apples' gaff, who then tried to deny she was referring to Coun Lynn Jeffries. Mallory's twiiter account had one follower and was following one other - who do readers think it was ? It was @YorkStories ! I bet who is behind this twitter page, is also Mallory, and is a very good fiend or stooge of Red Sonja ? !!!! If this is as far fetched as you suggest, come on tell us who you are, and if you know Coun Crisp ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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7:01pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Torycouncil2015 says...

yorkispants wrote:
www.yorkstories.co.u

k
wrote:
This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults.

Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories.

But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me.

And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)
its plaggy terry
Far fetched. The depths this woman will stoop to surprise no one

This Mallory didn't exist before or since this exchange
[quote][p][bold]yorkispants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)[/p][/quote]its plaggy terry[/p][/quote]Far fetched. The depths this woman will stoop to surprise no one This Mallory didn't exist before or since this exchange Torycouncil2015
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8:02pm Sat 25 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

Torycouncil2015 wrote:
yorkispants wrote:
www.yorkstories.co.u


k
wrote:
This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults.

Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories.

But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me.

And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)
its plaggy terry
Far fetched. The depths this woman will stoop to surprise no one

This Mallory didn't exist before or since this exchange
Crisp and Sidley are very devious people! Sidley as already been outed for joining the last York Tory candidates Facebook just to attack her personally!

Crisp and slippery Sidley have personal agendas , do not trust these people
[quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkispants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)[/p][/quote]its plaggy terry[/p][/quote]Far fetched. The depths this woman will stoop to surprise no one This Mallory didn't exist before or since this exchange[/p][/quote]Crisp and Sidley are very devious people! Sidley as already been outed for joining the last York Tory candidates Facebook just to attack her personally! Crisp and slippery Sidley have personal agendas , do not trust these people oi oi savaloy
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8:06pm Sat 25 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

www.yorkstories.co.u
k
wrote:
This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults.

Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories.

But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me.

And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)
Sonja! We know you are on here and we know you read this posts!

You personally came on the press site to have a go at me a few weeks back !

Now stand up and be accountable for your "rotten apple" comment on here!


Or are you really that 2 faced?
[quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)[/p][/quote]Sonja! We know you are on here and we know you read this posts! You personally came on the press site to have a go at me a few weeks back ! Now stand up and be accountable for your "rotten apple" comment on here! Or are you really that 2 faced? oi oi savaloy
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8:08pm Sat 25 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
www.yorkstories.co.u

k
wrote:
This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults.

Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories.

But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me.

And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)
Sonja! We know you are on here and we know you read this posts!

You personally came on the press site to have a go at me a few weeks back !

Now stand up and be accountable for your &quot;rotten apple" comment on here!


Or are you really that 2 faced?
*these posts (not this post)
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)[/p][/quote]Sonja! We know you are on here and we know you read this posts! You personally came on the press site to have a go at me a few weeks back ! Now stand up and be accountable for your "rotten apple" comment on here! Or are you really that 2 faced?[/p][/quote]*these posts (not this post) oi oi savaloy
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9:37pm Sat 25 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
www.yorkstories.co.u

k
wrote:
This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)
Ha, ha, ha..... you can't be serious ?

@MalloryNorway's twitter account was set up purposely to ask 'Red Sonja' Crisp to clarify the 'rotten apples' gaff, who then tried to deny she was referring to Coun Lynn Jeffries.

Mallory's twiiter account had one follower and was following one other - who do readers think it was ? It was @YorkStories ! I bet who is behind this twitter page, is also Mallory, and is a very good fiend or stooge of Red Sonja ? !!!!

If this is as far fetched as you suggest, come on tell us who you are, and if you know Coun Crisp ?
It just gets more stupid from Sonja Crisp! The one follower @mallorynorway had was @yorkstories and the one person that @mallorynorway followed was @yorkstories!! You couldn't make it up.................y
orkstories wants to see Sonja Crisp in the clear and by an amazing chance they start to follow a new person to twitter who no-one else does and out of millions of twitter users that person incredibly decides to ask Sonja a question on the one subject yorkstories wants 'clarifying'. It's just brilliant!!!!

Labour don't think the public are stupid...........the
y think we are total f******g idiots!
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)[/p][/quote]Ha, ha, ha..... you can't be serious ? @MalloryNorway's twitter account was set up purposely to ask 'Red Sonja' Crisp to clarify the 'rotten apples' gaff, who then tried to deny she was referring to Coun Lynn Jeffries. Mallory's twiiter account had one follower and was following one other - who do readers think it was ? It was @YorkStories ! I bet who is behind this twitter page, is also Mallory, and is a very good fiend or stooge of Red Sonja ? !!!! If this is as far fetched as you suggest, come on tell us who you are, and if you know Coun Crisp ?[/p][/quote]It just gets more stupid from Sonja Crisp! The one follower @mallorynorway had was @yorkstories and the one person that @mallorynorway followed was @yorkstories!! You couldn't make it up.................y orkstories wants to see Sonja Crisp in the clear and by an amazing chance they start to follow a new person to twitter who no-one else does and out of millions of twitter users that person incredibly decides to ask Sonja a question on the one subject yorkstories wants 'clarifying'. It's just brilliant!!!! Labour don't think the public are stupid...........the y think we are total f******g idiots! Micklegate
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10:31pm Sat 25 Aug 12

desmond tiblets says...

Labour council.labour party just a complete shambles.13 shamefull years in government.And I was a labour voter but they turned there backs on working people just to promote there hidden agendas like this crisp and sidley.
Labour council.labour party just a complete shambles.13 shamefull years in government.And I was a labour voter but they turned there backs on working people just to promote there hidden agendas like this crisp and sidley. desmond tiblets
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11:20pm Sat 25 Aug 12

www.yorkstories.co.uk says...

Does anyone on here actually use Twitter?
Does anyone on here actually use Twitter? www.yorkstories.co.uk
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11:55pm Sat 25 Aug 12

www.yorkstories.co.uk says...

Micklegate, 9.37pm ...

The 'YorkStories' isn't the council one, if that's what you mean. Their project is yorkstories2012.com. Nothing to do with me. I don't know Cllr Crisp. Your allegations of allegiance seem a bit bizarre.
Micklegate, 9.37pm ... The 'YorkStories' isn't the council one, if that's what you mean. Their project is yorkstories2012.com. Nothing to do with me. I don't know Cllr Crisp. Your allegations of allegiance seem a bit bizarre. www.yorkstories.co.uk
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12:20am Sun 26 Aug 12

www.yorkstories.co.uk says...

Torycouncil2015 wrote:
yorkispants wrote:
www.yorkstories.co.u


k
wrote:
This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults.

Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories.

But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me.

And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)
its plaggy terry
Far fetched. The depths this woman will stoop to surprise no one

This Mallory didn't exist before or since this exchange
Torycouncil2015 - I think there are other existences apart from on Twitter.

Anyone who thinks ww.yorkstories.co.uk is Sonja Crisp ... totally wrong, so wrong it's almost funny. I can't believe the world's not heard of the 'York Stories Turf Wars'?
[quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkispants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)[/p][/quote]its plaggy terry[/p][/quote]Far fetched. The depths this woman will stoop to surprise no one This Mallory didn't exist before or since this exchange[/p][/quote]Torycouncil2015 - I think there are other existences apart from on Twitter. Anyone who thinks ww.yorkstories.co.uk is Sonja Crisp ... totally wrong, so wrong it's almost funny. I can't believe the world's not heard of the 'York Stories Turf Wars'? www.yorkstories.co.uk
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12:24am Sun 26 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

www.yorkstories.co.u
k
wrote:
Micklegate, 9.37pm ... The 'YorkStories' isn't the council one, if that's what you mean. Their project is yorkstories2012.com. Nothing to do with me. I don't know Cllr Crisp. Your allegations of allegiance seem a bit bizarre.
Not half as bizarre as your behaviour Sonja ? !!!

Why did you set up @MalloryNorway's twitter account to ask the question ?

Like the Council officers who manipulated the affordable housing policy consultation, you are as transparent and obvious as they are, with your pathetic attempt at deception.

The people of York are onto you, Alexander, Simpson-Laing, and your henchman Sidley the snake - Labour's ragtag band of twittering idiots !
[quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: Micklegate, 9.37pm ... The 'YorkStories' isn't the council one, if that's what you mean. Their project is yorkstories2012.com. Nothing to do with me. I don't know Cllr Crisp. Your allegations of allegiance seem a bit bizarre.[/p][/quote]Not half as bizarre as your behaviour Sonja ? !!! Why did you set up @MalloryNorway's twitter account to ask the question ? Like the Council officers who manipulated the affordable housing policy consultation, you are as transparent and obvious as they are, with your pathetic attempt at deception. The people of York are onto you, Alexander, Simpson-Laing, and your henchman Sidley the snake - Labour's ragtag band of twittering idiots ! Scarlet Pimpernel
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12:27am Sun 26 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

www.yorkstories.co.u
k
wrote:
Torycouncil2015 wrote:
yorkispants wrote:
www.yorkstories.co.u k wrote: This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)
its plaggy terry
Far fetched. The depths this woman will stoop to surprise no one This Mallory didn't exist before or since this exchange
Torycouncil2015 - I think there are other existences apart from on Twitter. Anyone who thinks ww.yorkstories.co.uk is Sonja Crisp ... totally wrong, so wrong it's almost funny. I can't believe the world's not heard of the 'York Stories Turf Wars'?
So, if you are not her, why are you trying so hard to defend Red Sonja ?
[quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torycouncil2015[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkispants[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: This page has become rather unreadable, hasn't it. Shame so many other agendas get dragged in, and personal insults. Was pleased to see that @MalloryNorway asked Cllr Crisp directly about the tweet, and I retweeted it, @YorkStories. But in response to a suggestion made above, @MalloryNorway is not me. And the conspiracy theory that Cllr Crisp invented @MalloryNorway in order to ask herself a question also seems a bit far-fetched (!)[/p][/quote]its plaggy terry[/p][/quote]Far fetched. The depths this woman will stoop to surprise no one This Mallory didn't exist before or since this exchange[/p][/quote]Torycouncil2015 - I think there are other existences apart from on Twitter. Anyone who thinks ww.yorkstories.co.uk is Sonja Crisp ... totally wrong, so wrong it's almost funny. I can't believe the world's not heard of the 'York Stories Turf Wars'?[/p][/quote]So, if you are not her, why are you trying so hard to defend Red Sonja ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:13am Sun 26 Aug 12

www.yorkstories.co.uk says...

??

This won't translate as a link, but anyway:

http://www.yorkstori
es.co.uk/york_storie
s_about.htm

Scarlet Pimpernel... 12:24am
"Why did you set up @MalloryNorway's twitter account to ask the question ?"

- I didn't. Goodnight.
?? This won't translate as a link, but anyway: http://www.yorkstori es.co.uk/york_storie s_about.htm Scarlet Pimpernel... 12:24am "Why did you set up @MalloryNorway's twitter account to ask the question ?" - I didn't. Goodnight. www.yorkstories.co.uk
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2:18am Sun 26 Aug 12

Steve, says...

rose_of_york wrote:
Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.
Labour is as much a useless group of representatives for York as any other bunch.

JA wasn't the one reported a while ago asking for a sub, was he? Funny how a man responsible for budget cuts and saving money for an entire city can't save money for his own bank account!

Then there's union terrace, how close was the sale of that land without a public consideration for it?? oh yeah.. we DO still have it, just.

Then there's the cute little quote above, where you ask people not to be so venomous if they didn't use real names, do you want my real name? I have nothing to lose by giving it.

You lot, tucked away in that tiny office have been flouting your roles away for a while now, ignoring public views, desires and opinions while doing what you want - times up, someone with decency and ambition has booted your strategy sheet back onto the pitch for all to see, instead of the criticism why don't you follow an example and do what the job description entails? Any other worked would be sacked for not.
[quote][p][bold]rose_of_york[/bold] wrote: Control yourselves please. One councillor is being canonised, the rest demonised yet none of us know the truth. I wonder if you would all be so venomous if you had to include your real names? Like it or not local government is dominated by various political parties who all have to make decisions within their budgets. Independents can say what they think but never have the responsibility of delivering the services. If you think you could do better put yourself up for election next time, or if there's a by-election when Cllr Jeffries shows her integrity by resigning and standing as an independent.[/p][/quote]Labour is as much a useless group of representatives for York as any other bunch. JA wasn't the one reported a while ago asking for a sub, was he? Funny how a man responsible for budget cuts and saving money for an entire city can't save money for his own bank account! Then there's union terrace, how close was the sale of that land without a public consideration for it?? oh yeah.. we DO still have it, just. Then there's the cute little quote above, where you ask people not to be so venomous if they didn't use real names, do you want my real name? I have nothing to lose by giving it. You lot, tucked away in that tiny office have been flouting your roles away for a while now, ignoring public views, desires and opinions while doing what you want - times up, someone with decency and ambition has booted your strategy sheet back onto the pitch for all to see, instead of the criticism why don't you follow an example and do what the job description entails? Any other worked would be sacked for not. Steve,
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2:20am Sun 26 Aug 12

Steve, says...

*worker. Maybe you can invest in a new keyboard for me on your expenses?..
*worker. Maybe you can invest in a new keyboard for me on your expenses?.. Steve,
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8:27am Sun 26 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

www.yorkstories.co.u
k
wrote:
Does anyone on here actually use Twitter?
Yes - you do!!

Or is just a crazy coincidence that yorkstories on there and yorkstories on here both are independent and both happen to be amongst Sonja Crisp's few supporters?

It is clear Crisp is behind this and various accounts, but if as you claim you 'are not her' and 'do not know her', how can you claim which account(s) are not hers?

Also on the bizarre @mallorynorway - them of the one follower (yorkstories) and following one (yep yorkstories again!), if it's nothing to do with Sonja Crisp........another amazing coincidence is she is half Norwegian!
[quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: Does anyone on here actually use Twitter?[/p][/quote]Yes - you do!! Or is just a crazy coincidence that yorkstories on there and yorkstories on here both are independent and both happen to be amongst Sonja Crisp's few supporters? It is clear Crisp is behind this and various accounts, but if as you claim you 'are not her' and 'do not know her', how can you claim which account(s) are not hers? Also on the bizarre @mallorynorway - them of the one follower (yorkstories) and following one (yep yorkstories again!), if it's nothing to do with Sonja Crisp........another amazing coincidence is she is half Norwegian! Micklegate
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9:05am Sun 26 Aug 12

www.yorkstories.co.uk says...

Micklegate, I can see why you might have seen things the way you did, but can't see why you're persisting with it.

Unfortunately @MalloryNorway hasn't returned to comment, and is presumably doing normal weekend things.

Councillors seem to be used to people popping up on Twitter to ask questions, and it seems fairly common to set up an account just to do that. Not bizarre at all.

You could of course do the same, and ask your questions directly to Cllr Crisp and @MalloryNorway

My own theory is that you're perhaps an employee of the Press, keeping the debate going ;)
Micklegate, I can see why you might have seen things the way you did, but can't see why you're persisting with it. Unfortunately @MalloryNorway hasn't returned to comment, and is presumably doing normal weekend things. Councillors seem to be used to people popping up on Twitter to ask questions, and it seems fairly common to set up an account just to do that. Not bizarre at all. You could of course do the same, and ask your questions directly to Cllr Crisp and @MalloryNorway My own theory is that you're perhaps an employee of the Press, keeping the debate going ;) www.yorkstories.co.uk
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9:15am Sun 26 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

www.yorkstories.co.u
k
wrote:
Micklegate, I can see why you might have seen things the way you did, but can't see why you're persisting with it.

Unfortunately @MalloryNorway hasn't returned to comment, and is presumably doing normal weekend things.

Councillors seem to be used to people popping up on Twitter to ask questions, and it seems fairly common to set up an account just to do that. Not bizarre at all.

You could of course do the same, and ask your questions directly to Cllr Crisp and @MalloryNorway

My own theory is that you're perhaps an employee of the Press, keeping the debate going ;)
Give me ONE example of any other person 'popping up' on twitter for just one question.
[quote][p][bold]www.yorkstories.co.u k[/bold] wrote: Micklegate, I can see why you might have seen things the way you did, but can't see why you're persisting with it. Unfortunately @MalloryNorway hasn't returned to comment, and is presumably doing normal weekend things. Councillors seem to be used to people popping up on Twitter to ask questions, and it seems fairly common to set up an account just to do that. Not bizarre at all. You could of course do the same, and ask your questions directly to Cllr Crisp and @MalloryNorway My own theory is that you're perhaps an employee of the Press, keeping the debate going ;)[/p][/quote]Give me ONE example of any other person 'popping up' on twitter for just one question. Micklegate
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10:00am Sun 26 Aug 12

mallory says...

Im genuinely surprised at the direction this thread has taken but, to clarify:

I'm not Sonja Crisp.

I'm not YorkStories.

Google 'Signy Mallory Norway' to find the inspiration for my name.

I did create the twitter account to ask the question, and felt the answer was worthy of repeating here. Correctly i feel, given the response, although i never imagined that anyone would think i was Councillor Crisp.

I'm unable to think of anyway in which i can prove any of the above, but thats the nature of internet forums... and twitter...
Im genuinely surprised at the direction this thread has taken but, to clarify: I'm not Sonja Crisp. I'm not YorkStories. Google 'Signy Mallory Norway' to find the inspiration for my name. I did create the twitter account to ask the question, and felt the answer was worthy of repeating here. Correctly i feel, given the response, although i never imagined that anyone would think i was Councillor Crisp. I'm unable to think of anyway in which i can prove any of the above, but thats the nature of internet forums... and twitter... mallory
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1:29pm Sun 26 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

mallory wrote:
Im genuinely surprised at the direction this thread has taken but, to clarify: I'm not Sonja Crisp. I'm not YorkStories. Google 'Signy Mallory Norway' to find the inspiration for my name. I did create the twitter account to ask the question, and felt the answer was worthy of repeating here. Correctly i feel, given the response, although i never imagined that anyone would think i was Councillor Crisp. I'm unable to think of anyway in which i can prove any of the above, but thats the nature of internet forums... and twitter...
I never imagined that anyone would think I was Councillor Crisp ?

Who are you then ? Sonja's one and only supporter (other than 'Hissing Sid Vicious' Sidley) ? A Labour Councillor ?
[quote][p][bold]mallory[/bold] wrote: Im genuinely surprised at the direction this thread has taken but, to clarify: I'm not Sonja Crisp. I'm not YorkStories. Google 'Signy Mallory Norway' to find the inspiration for my name. I did create the twitter account to ask the question, and felt the answer was worthy of repeating here. Correctly i feel, given the response, although i never imagined that anyone would think i was Councillor Crisp. I'm unable to think of anyway in which i can prove any of the above, but thats the nature of internet forums... and twitter...[/p][/quote]I never imagined that anyone would think I was Councillor Crisp ? Who are you then ? Sonja's one and only supporter (other than 'Hissing Sid Vicious' Sidley) ? A Labour Councillor ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:48pm Sun 26 Aug 12

Hoofarted says...

Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress "If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.
Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress "If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues. Hoofarted
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2:01pm Sun 26 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Hoofarted wrote:
Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress &quot;If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.
No worries........ for you at the moment then ? Hope the free treatment you and you looney lefty buddies are receiving is a success.

Think you have just outed yourself, with your detailed knowledge of care for those suffering from mental illness.
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress "If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.[/p][/quote]No worries........ for you at the moment then ? Hope the free treatment you and you looney lefty buddies are receiving is a success. Think you have just outed yourself, with your detailed knowledge of care for those suffering from mental illness. Scarlet Pimpernel
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2:08pm Sun 26 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

If democratic politics is a cornerstone of civilisation, why is it so uncivil?
If democratic politics is a cornerstone of civilisation, why is it so uncivil? Buzz Light-year
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2:58pm Sun 26 Aug 12

desmond tiblets says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Hoofarted wrote:
Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress &quot;If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.
No worries........ for you at the moment then ? Hope the free treatment you and you looney lefty buddies are receiving is a success.

Think you have just outed yourself, with your detailed knowledge of care for those suffering from mental illness.
Hoofarted is d.wrigglesworth one of dandy dan's little helpers
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress "If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.[/p][/quote]No worries........ for you at the moment then ? Hope the free treatment you and you looney lefty buddies are receiving is a success. Think you have just outed yourself, with your detailed knowledge of care for those suffering from mental illness.[/p][/quote]Hoofarted is d.wrigglesworth one of dandy dan's little helpers desmond tiblets
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3:26pm Sun 26 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
If democratic politics is a cornerstone of civilisation, why is it so uncivil?
You'll have to ask 'Red Sonja' aka 'Rotten Apple' Crisp ?
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: If democratic politics is a cornerstone of civilisation, why is it so uncivil?[/p][/quote]You'll have to ask 'Red Sonja' aka 'Rotten Apple' Crisp ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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3:43pm Sun 26 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Buzz Light-year wrote: If democratic politics is a cornerstone of civilisation, why is it so uncivil?
You'll have to ask 'Red Sonja' aka 'Rotten Apple' Crisp ?
Speaking as always independently and apolitically, I haven't seen much civility from either the politicians or the baying mob here.

Kind of the point of my comment really.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: If democratic politics is a cornerstone of civilisation, why is it so uncivil?[/p][/quote]You'll have to ask 'Red Sonja' aka 'Rotten Apple' Crisp ?[/p][/quote]Speaking as always independently and apolitically, I haven't seen much civility from either the politicians or the baying mob here. Kind of the point of my comment really. Buzz Light-year
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6:19pm Sun 26 Aug 12

capt spaulding says...

peter123456 wrote:
You are right about one thing York does deserve better. This week in your York press issue are two Islamic items. &quot;York mosque plans get the go-ahead and Islamic event cancelled at 11th hour". Why can we not post comments about these issues. This is WRONG WRONG WRONG. We can comment on all other issues just about so why not these.
My inside information is that the conference was cancelled because of external pressures. You can interpret that how you like but the result was cancellation.
[quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: You are right about one thing York does deserve better. This week in your York press issue are two Islamic items. "York mosque plans get the go-ahead and Islamic event cancelled at 11th hour". Why can we not post comments about these issues. This is WRONG WRONG WRONG. We can comment on all other issues just about so why not these.[/p][/quote]My inside information is that the conference was cancelled because of external pressures. You can interpret that how you like but the result was cancellation. capt spaulding
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6:26pm Sun 26 Aug 12

capt spaulding says...

The traffic light incident by cllr ann pales into insignificance compared with what we have here.

Cllrs dont you think we all read this stuff.

How can you hold your heads up in public knowing everyone now has full knowledge of your nastiness and cheating.
The traffic light incident by cllr ann pales into insignificance compared with what we have here. Cllrs dont you think we all read this stuff. How can you hold your heads up in public knowing everyone now has full knowledge of your nastiness and cheating. capt spaulding
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6:32pm Sun 26 Aug 12

Hoofarted says...

desmond tiblets wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Hoofarted wrote:
Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress &quot;If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.
No worries........ for you at the moment then ? Hope the free treatment you and you looney lefty buddies are receiving is a success.

Think you have just outed yourself, with your detailed knowledge of care for those suffering from mental illness.
Hoofarted is d.wrigglesworth one of dandy dan's little helpers
The paranoia continues to spill from them who despise the tory imposed cuts placed on York council :=)

Keep guessing. I suspect some false twitter account will appear next
[quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress "If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.[/p][/quote]No worries........ for you at the moment then ? Hope the free treatment you and you looney lefty buddies are receiving is a success. Think you have just outed yourself, with your detailed knowledge of care for those suffering from mental illness.[/p][/quote]Hoofarted is d.wrigglesworth one of dandy dan's little helpers[/p][/quote]The paranoia continues to spill from them who despise the tory imposed cuts placed on York council :=) Keep guessing. I suspect some false twitter account will appear next Hoofarted
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9:10pm Sun 26 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Hoofarted wrote:
desmond tiblets wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Hoofarted wrote:
Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress &quot;If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.
No worries........ for you at the moment then ? Hope the free treatment you and you looney lefty buddies are receiving is a success.

Think you have just outed yourself, with your detailed knowledge of care for those suffering from mental illness.
Hoofarted is d.wrigglesworth one of dandy dan's little helpers
The paranoia continues to spill from them who despise the tory imposed cuts placed on York council :=)

Keep guessing. I suspect some false twitter account will appear next
It's the Alexander cuts, the Labour lying, cheating, arrogance, insults and political game-ploaying that York people really despise !

Are you part of it, or just condone it ?
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress "If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.[/p][/quote]No worries........ for you at the moment then ? Hope the free treatment you and you looney lefty buddies are receiving is a success. Think you have just outed yourself, with your detailed knowledge of care for those suffering from mental illness.[/p][/quote]Hoofarted is d.wrigglesworth one of dandy dan's little helpers[/p][/quote]The paranoia continues to spill from them who despise the tory imposed cuts placed on York council :=) Keep guessing. I suspect some false twitter account will appear next[/p][/quote]It's the Alexander cuts, the Labour lying, cheating, arrogance, insults and political game-ploaying that York people really despise ! Are you part of it, or just condone it ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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9:45pm Sun 26 Aug 12

Hoofarted says...

Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Hoofarted wrote:
desmond tiblets wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Hoofarted wrote:
Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress &quot;If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.
No worries........ for you at the moment then ? Hope the free treatment you and you looney lefty buddies are receiving is a success.

Think you have just outed yourself, with your detailed knowledge of care for those suffering from mental illness.
Hoofarted is d.wrigglesworth one of dandy dan's little helpers
The paranoia continues to spill from them who despise the tory imposed cuts placed on York council :=)

Keep guessing. I suspect some false twitter account will appear next
It's the Alexander cuts, the Labour lying, cheating, arrogance, insults and political game-ploaying that York people really despise !

Are you part of it, or just condone it ?
Along with the paranoia. Insane rants and the inability to see the wood for the trees e.g The Cuts come initially from central government. The spellings slipping now also. "Game *Playing*"

Calm down you angry fool. Another two years and the coalition will be kicked out and then the cuts will be reversed and James will correct the rationing created by Central Government.
[quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress "If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.[/p][/quote]No worries........ for you at the moment then ? Hope the free treatment you and you looney lefty buddies are receiving is a success. Think you have just outed yourself, with your detailed knowledge of care for those suffering from mental illness.[/p][/quote]Hoofarted is d.wrigglesworth one of dandy dan's little helpers[/p][/quote]The paranoia continues to spill from them who despise the tory imposed cuts placed on York council :=) Keep guessing. I suspect some false twitter account will appear next[/p][/quote]It's the Alexander cuts, the Labour lying, cheating, arrogance, insults and political game-ploaying that York people really despise ! Are you part of it, or just condone it ?[/p][/quote]Along with the paranoia. Insane rants and the inability to see the wood for the trees e.g The Cuts come initially from central government. The spellings slipping now also. "Game *Playing*" Calm down you angry fool. Another two years and the coalition will be kicked out and then the cuts will be reversed and James will correct the rationing created by Central Government. Hoofarted
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10:37pm Sun 26 Aug 12

desmond tiblets says...

Was driving down leeman road today had to swerve suddenly to avoid counsellor Simpson laing's outrageous bouffant hairdo
Was driving down leeman road today had to swerve suddenly to avoid counsellor Simpson laing's outrageous bouffant hairdo desmond tiblets
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12:51am Mon 27 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Hoofarted wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Hoofarted wrote:
desmond tiblets wrote:
Scarlet Pimpernel wrote:
Hoofarted wrote: Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress &quot;If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.
No worries........ for you at the moment then ? Hope the free treatment you and you looney lefty buddies are receiving is a success. Think you have just outed yourself, with your detailed knowledge of care for those suffering from mental illness.
Hoofarted is d.wrigglesworth one of dandy dan's little helpers
The paranoia continues to spill from them who despise the tory imposed cuts placed on York council :=) Keep guessing. I suspect some false twitter account will appear next
It's the Alexander cuts, the Labour lying, cheating, arrogance, insults and political game-ploaying that York people really despise ! Are you part of it, or just condone it ?
Along with the paranoia. Insane rants and the inability to see the wood for the trees e.g The Cuts come initially from central government. The spellings slipping now also. "Game *Playing*" Calm down you angry fool. Another two years and the coalition will be kicked out and then the cuts will be reversed and James will correct the rationing created by Central Government.
HooFarted 9.45pm,

Let me put you right on your errors and misconceptions:-

1. Yes, I am angry.
Angry at the way James Alexander and a handful of his Labour cabinet are deceiving York residents with their agenda of making York suffer and trying to blame it on the government. Cuts are a necessity, and even Labour acknowledge that,
2. I am not a fool, and neither are the York residents who, like me, are sick of Alexander, Simpson-Laing, Merrett and Crisp. Sick of their self-serving political gameplaying. They do nothing for York - they do everything for the Labour party and their own ego's !
3. In two years time, the only thing that will be any different is the leaderships of the council - Alexander will be given the boot, and England will be gone too - both will be found out for the wrongs they have committed. There will be more controversies about their mismanagement, that's for sure....... !?!?!
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarlet Pimpernel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Relax Scarlet pimper. At the moment, psychiatric care is free still. But if! and I stress "If" the party creating the budget cut backs that impose the restrictions onto local councils get their way. The NHS wont be free and it will cost you for any psychiatric care issues.[/p][/quote]No worries........ for you at the moment then ? Hope the free treatment you and you looney lefty buddies are receiving is a success. Think you have just outed yourself, with your detailed knowledge of care for those suffering from mental illness.[/p][/quote]Hoofarted is d.wrigglesworth one of dandy dan's little helpers[/p][/quote]The paranoia continues to spill from them who despise the tory imposed cuts placed on York council :=) Keep guessing. I suspect some false twitter account will appear next[/p][/quote]It's the Alexander cuts, the Labour lying, cheating, arrogance, insults and political game-ploaying that York people really despise ! Are you part of it, or just condone it ?[/p][/quote]Along with the paranoia. Insane rants and the inability to see the wood for the trees e.g The Cuts come initially from central government. The spellings slipping now also. "Game *Playing*" Calm down you angry fool. Another two years and the coalition will be kicked out and then the cuts will be reversed and James will correct the rationing created by Central Government.[/p][/quote]HooFarted 9.45pm, Let me put you right on your errors and misconceptions:- 1. Yes, I am angry. Angry at the way James Alexander and a handful of his Labour cabinet are deceiving York residents with their agenda of making York suffer and trying to blame it on the government. Cuts are a necessity, and even Labour acknowledge that, 2. I am not a fool, and neither are the York residents who, like me, are sick of Alexander, Simpson-Laing, Merrett and Crisp. Sick of their self-serving political gameplaying. They do nothing for York - they do everything for the Labour party and their own ego's ! 3. In two years time, the only thing that will be any different is the leaderships of the council - Alexander will be given the boot, and England will be gone too - both will be found out for the wrongs they have committed. There will be more controversies about their mismanagement, that's for sure....... !?!?! Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:49am Mon 27 Aug 12

Steve, says...

I use twitter, had 'The Rose' replied that was my next option of identity.
I use twitter, had 'The Rose' replied that was my next option of identity. Steve,
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12:14pm Mon 27 Aug 12

Buzz Light-year says...

desmond tiblets wrote:
Was driving down leeman road today had to swerve suddenly to avoid counsellor Simpson laing's outrageous bouffant hairdo
Because policy is alllll about hairstyles.
[quote][p][bold]desmond tiblets[/bold] wrote: Was driving down leeman road today had to swerve suddenly to avoid counsellor Simpson laing's outrageous bouffant hairdo[/p][/quote]Because policy is alllll about hairstyles. Buzz Light-year
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1:41pm Mon 27 Aug 12

Hoofarted says...

Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases.

Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing.

Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)
Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases. Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing. Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=) Hoofarted
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1:53pm Mon 27 Aug 12

Indigi says...

Hoofarted? who cares what you think. You so clearly don't even understand the issues under discussion and your comments relating to mental illness are a disgrace! Give it up
Hoofarted? who cares what you think. You so clearly don't even understand the issues under discussion and your comments relating to mental illness are a disgrace! Give it up Indigi
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2:01pm Mon 27 Aug 12

Micklegate says...

Hoofarted wrote:
Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases.

Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing.

Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)
'to avoid tax increases' what??? you did increase tax!!!

Costed details of how this cut was avoidable have been given by all other political parties and many people on here
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases. Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing. Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)[/p][/quote]'to avoid tax increases' what??? you did increase tax!!! Costed details of how this cut was avoidable have been given by all other political parties and many people on here Micklegate
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6:04pm Mon 27 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

Hoofarted wrote:
Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases.

Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing.

Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)
proof that hoofarted is a blinkered labour voting idiot!

council tax DID increase, and we still got cuts in services!



but no worries the chief exec got something like a 108% pay rise..
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases. Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing. Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)[/p][/quote]proof that hoofarted is a blinkered labour voting idiot! council tax DID increase, and we still got cuts in services! but no worries the chief exec got something like a 108% pay rise.. oi oi savaloy
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6:27pm Mon 27 Aug 12

desmond tiblets says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
Hoofarted wrote:
Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases.

Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing.

Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)
proof that hoofarted is a blinkered labour voting idiot!

council tax DID increase, and we still got cuts in services!



but no worries the chief exec got something like a 108% pay rise..
Good information.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases. Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing. Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)[/p][/quote]proof that hoofarted is a blinkered labour voting idiot! council tax DID increase, and we still got cuts in services! but no worries the chief exec got something like a 108% pay rise..[/p][/quote]Good information. desmond tiblets
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8:32pm Mon 27 Aug 12

Scarlet Pimpernel says...

Hoofarted wrote:
Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases.

Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing.

Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)
I'm happy for other York people, like Indigi Micklegate, Desmond and oi oi, to have the last say, which I agree with. You see, HooFarted, the people of York are speaking out, against the Labour shower who are ruining York. Where are all the Labour supporters, and aren't you in the minority here ?
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases. Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing. Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)[/p][/quote]I'm happy for other York people, like Indigi Micklegate, Desmond and oi oi, to have the last say, which I agree with. You see, HooFarted, the people of York are speaking out, against the Labour shower who are ruining York. Where are all the Labour supporters, and aren't you in the minority here ? Scarlet Pimpernel
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8:54pm Mon 27 Aug 12

oldgoat says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
Hoofarted wrote:
Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases.

Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing.

Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)
proof that hoofarted is a blinkered labour voting idiot!

council tax DID increase, and we still got cuts in services!



but no worries the chief exec got something like a 108% pay rise..
Did she?
That would put her on something like £250,000 a year (rough guess).

Back in the real world, council staff have been on a pay freeze for the last few years, like most of the rest of the country.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases. Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing. Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)[/p][/quote]proof that hoofarted is a blinkered labour voting idiot! council tax DID increase, and we still got cuts in services! but no worries the chief exec got something like a 108% pay rise..[/p][/quote]Did she? That would put her on something like £250,000 a year (rough guess). Back in the real world, council staff have been on a pay freeze for the last few years, like most of the rest of the country. oldgoat
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9:45pm Mon 27 Aug 12

oi oi savaloy says...

oldgoat wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
Hoofarted wrote:
Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases.

Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing.

Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)
proof that hoofarted is a blinkered labour voting idiot!

council tax DID increase, and we still got cuts in services!



but no worries the chief exec got something like a 108% pay rise..
Did she?
That would put her on something like £250,000 a year (rough guess).

Back in the real world, council staff have been on a pay freeze for the last few years, like most of the rest of the country.
chief executive total renumeration 2009/10 £75,000
2010/11 £156,000 (sorry but no way is that woman worth a fraction of that)

director of housing and social services got £252,000 in 2009/10

10 people on over £100,000 on YCC, 5 are unknown titles?? 3 unknown titles were made redundant in 2009/10 , in 2010/11 5 unknown titles were created?? all very confusing, and all very corrupt!!
[quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: Pimper nut. You don't speak for the residents. You speak for yourself and I actually find it amusing reading someone so angry over essential cuts to avoid council tax increases. Your responses are repeating now. I think it's time to let it go and hope the people of York turn in favour of the tory party, unlike the latest national opinion polls are showing. Now to show i'm not a total cruel teaser. I will allow you to have the final rant .. all be it a repeat ;=)[/p][/quote]proof that hoofarted is a blinkered labour voting idiot! council tax DID increase, and we still got cuts in services! but no worries the chief exec got something like a 108% pay rise..[/p][/quote]Did she? That would put her on something like £250,000 a year (rough guess). Back in the real world, council staff have been on a pay freeze for the last few years, like most of the rest of the country.[/p][/quote]chief executive total renumeration 2009/10 £75,000 2010/11 £156,000 (sorry but no way is that woman worth a fraction of that) director of housing and social services got £252,000 in 2009/10 10 people on over £100,000 on YCC, 5 are unknown titles?? 3 unknown titles were made redundant in 2009/10 , in 2010/11 5 unknown titles were created?? all very confusing, and all very corrupt!! oi oi savaloy
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11:05am Tue 28 Aug 12

marvell says...

Hoofarted wrote:
It's clear to all that, the closure of the Asylums by Thatchers Care in The Community dogma policy, has seen many of the delusional paranoid inpatients adopt York Press's website to voice their confusions.
You seem to be a callow teenager that is brainwashed by Cllr Alexander but making stupid uninformed comments on Mental Health is not acceptable in any context.

I have reported you to the Wed Admin team at The Press.
[quote][p][bold]Hoofarted[/bold] wrote: It's clear to all that, the closure of the Asylums by Thatchers Care in The Community dogma policy, has seen many of the delusional paranoid inpatients adopt York Press's website to voice their confusions.[/p][/quote]You seem to be a callow teenager that is brainwashed by Cllr Alexander but making stupid uninformed comments on Mental Health is not acceptable in any context. I have reported you to the Wed Admin team at The Press. marvell
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11:14am Tue 28 Aug 12

Hoofarted says...

They say truth hurts. Report away!

The paranoia assessment was based purely on the snarling gnashing offensive retorts by a few on here who thought i was a council elected member lol

Get over it!
They say truth hurts. Report away! The paranoia assessment was based purely on the snarling gnashing offensive retorts by a few on here who thought i was a council elected member lol Get over it! Hoofarted
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