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Council chief takes to Twitter to slam store for selling ‘fun’ Hitler T-shirts
10:51am Friday 27th July 2012 in News
Blue Moon Trading
YORK’S council leader has hit out at a “sick” slogan on a T-shirt on sale in a city centre shop.
Labour’s Coun James Alexander voiced his outrage on a social networking site over the shirt on sale at Blue Moon Trading in Goodramgate.
The clothing, made to resemble T-shirts sold by rock bands when on world tours, bares the slogan: “Adolf Hitler’s tour of Europe”, underneath which it says destinations England and Russia have been “cancelled”, in reference to Hitler’s failed attempts to conquer both countries during the Second World War.
On his Twitter feed yesterday Coun Alexander branded the store “sick” and a “disgraceful shop”.
He said: “It gives a terrible impression, it’s not the tolerant and welcoming York I know.”
The shop, which sells guns, shooting accessories, and military memorabilia, is run by Stuart Sykes.
Mr Sykes said: “It’s been a saga for the last 12 months.
“We have T-shirts from all sorts of wars, from World War Two to Vietnam. If the councillor had the common sense to read the T-shirt, he’d see it’s not promoting Hitler – it is making fun of him.”
Mr Sykes admits that some people might find his T-shirts offensive but said he was not breaking any rules.
He said: “One couple thought it was hilarious and bought four and another said we were the most disgusting retailer in York.
“There are over 600 shops in UK retailing exactly the same product, it’s perfectly legal. Everything we sell is checked with our solicitor; we’re not as daft as we look.” He rejected Coun Alexander’s comments that it gives a bad image of York.
He said: “We sell hundreds to tourists, they’re certainly the biggest buyers. I’d say I’ve sold 20 this week.”
Coun Alexander responded by saying he will pursue the case further, although he has reported the shop numerous times before.
This is not the first time the shop has made headlines. In 2010, police investigated complaints the shop was selling T- shirts emblazoned with the official Nazi state insignia.
In December 2008, Mr Sykes was criticised for his decision to sell and display Nazi memorabilia including pendants with swastika designs.
Comments(140)
MrsHoney
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11:05am Fri 27 Jul 12
I have to agree with the latter, not particularly because of the t-shirts but just in general. I hate this shop and don't even like walking past as it riles me so much. I don't particularly like to see somewhere promoting gun useage and other weaponry. It's a shame they've not done anything illegal as I'd love it be closed down!!
And to think it used to be the Bead Machine, a hippy kind of shop. How ironic!!
Von_Dutch
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11:07am Fri 27 Jul 12
Personally i don't see what the big deal is. I'm not offended by this. Yes, a few people in this country just LOVE to take offense on others' behalfs, but to be honest, you see more offensive t-shirt slogans in some of our supermarkets and high street shops.
As for the whole thing about selling swastika pendants, WWII and the nazis happened ok - You can't erase history or gloss over it. If people are willing to buy such things, then why shouldn't this shop sell it. They're not 'glamourizing' naziism.
3.8liter
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11:09am Fri 27 Jul 12
The trouble is, we now have a generation of politically correct types who are lacking a sense of humour.
My mother is 86, was born in Germany and also thinks they are funny.
I hope the shop selling these benefits from the publicity this has created and sells a shed load of them.
JC42
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11:11am Fri 27 Jul 12
Von_Dutch wrote:I agree I think its funny this country is pathetic people are so easily offended this day and age get a life.
Chill out James. Haven't you got more important things to be concerning yourself with as Leader of the Council?! Personally i don't see what the big deal is. I'm not offended by this. Yes, a few people in this country just LOVE to take offense on others' behalfs, but to be honest, you see more offensive t-shirt slogans in some of our supermarkets and high street shops. As for the whole thing about selling swastika pendants, WWII and the nazis happened ok - You can't erase history or gloss over it. If people are willing to buy such things, then why shouldn't this shop sell it. They're not 'glamourizing' naziism.
Ichabod76
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11:13am Fri 27 Jul 12
Don't you have more important things to be doing than tweeting what shops are selling ?
Woody G Mellor
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11:15am Fri 27 Jul 12
I don't care much for that shop though.
Sillybillies
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11:29am Fri 27 Jul 12
Von_Dutch says...
11:07am Fri 27 Jul 12
Chill out James. Haven't you got more important things to be concerning yourself with as Leader of the Council?!
Personally i don't see what the big deal is. I'm not offended by this. Yes, a few people in this country just LOVE to take offense on others' behalfs, but to be honest, you see more offensive t-shirt slogans in some of our supermarkets and high street shops.
As for the whole thing about selling swastika pendants, WWII and the nazis happened ok - You can't erase history or gloss over it. If people are willing to buy such things, then why shouldn't this shop sell it. They're not 'glamourizing' naziism.
Heaven help me, I agree with Von_Dutch for once! Alexander is an idiot who should be voted out of office at the first opportunity.
mickrick
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11:30am Fri 27 Jul 12
And they say the Irish are tic
Paula_T
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11:37am Fri 27 Jul 12
mickrick wrote:Absolutely spot on !!! People will flock to buy these t shirts now ...we are all too quick to jump on the PC bandwagon now
Not many people know about that shop but they do now !!!!
And they say the Irish are tic
Kevin Turvey
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11:41am Fri 27 Jul 12
These T shirts have been on the go for about 30 years. I thought they were hilarious then, and still think so today.
The trouble is, we now have a generation of politically correct types who are lacking a sense of humour.
My mother is 86, was born in Germany and also thinks they are funny.
I hope the shop selling these benefits from the publicity this has created and sells a shed load of them.’
Spot on!
I also can remember these T shirts from the very early 1980’s whilst living in the Northeast of England. I seem to remember they were sold at the Virgin record store in Eldon Square Newcastle and they sold in huge numbers.
Obviously this was before the mass levels of indoctrinated political correctness and complete lack of any sense of humour that has taken over this country in the last 15 years.
They were funny then and they are funny now, history has not changed only that some people are ‘offended’ by a tenuous link to the past and a 30 year delay or are attention seeking. The problem is mass accessible media that lets everyone have their say so therefore they do, no matter how banal!
akuma
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11:43am Fri 27 Jul 12
He said: “It gives a terrible impression, it’s not the tolerant and welcoming York I know.”
Is it an irony that while claiming that people may not think York is tolerant, and at the same time NOT tolerating a shop selling a perfectly legal product. OK it might be bad taste, but its legal.
If we truely beleive we are tolerant people we need to allow people to express there opinion and views so long as they are within the laws and not only tolerate things that fall under our own morale compass as acceptable, otherwise we become the oppressors and only allow things that we personally like.
Pedro
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11:49am Fri 27 Jul 12
Gary Gilmores Eyes
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11:51am Fri 27 Jul 12
Does the council know that HMV sell CD’s by Gary Glitter – his actions since making those recordings are offensive?
Does the council know that all the sports shops that pay business rates to them sell NIKE trainers and others that use labour that is paid below the minimum wage in those countries and the working conditions are on the boundary of slavery/oppression?
But yet they still take the money from the business rates.
Anybody want to add some more that is offensive or morally wrong that the council says nothing about?
Or is it all about PR? Shallow vote grabbing council members as usual.
Torrey Canyon
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12:06pm Fri 27 Jul 12
This is not the first time the shop has made headlines. In 2010, police investigated complaints the shop was selling T- shirts emblazoned with the official Nazi state insignia.
In December 2008, Mr Sykes was criticised for his decision to sell and display Nazi memorabilia including pendants with swastika designs.’
The shop has a right to sell what he likes as long as it’s legal.
If he wanted to sell communist items so be it.
The ‘leader’ of the council was not even born when these T shirts first saw the light of day. Does he have a personal problem with the shop/its owner or is it easy political material to spout about to polarise the proles?
In the 1970’s I had a T shirt that was a parody of the Ford logo with FCUK written on it, shame that the FCUK brand was created and modernised the idea.
Surely if there was a Nazi or indeed a communist problem it is not that someone is selling the items that is the issue more that people are that disenfranchised with the current political situation/representa
tion that they feel that have to move to the more extreme fringes of politics to get their views/opinions/wants raised by the individuals who purport to represent them.
Chrido81
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12:12pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Chrido81
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12:14pm Fri 27 Jul 12
mickrick
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12:25pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Do some history folks and read what a murdering bandit the man was.
Care to make a comment Mr Alexander, a little bird tells me you once had one, probably still have!!!
retribution
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12:28pm Fri 27 Jul 12
'...On his Twitter feed yesterday Coun Alexander branded the store “sick” and a “disgraceful shop”.
He said: “It gives a terrible impression, it’s not the tolerant and welcoming York I know.”
I think the slogan is a brilliant joke and as said in a comment above it is actually poking fun at Hitler's failures. In no way is it supporting Hitler or the Nazis.
The only thing that is 'sick and disgraceful' is Mr Alexander. He's another on the professional political career gravy train and like Chancellor Osborne allegedly has never had a proper job.
Here he's simply trying to get street cred by doing something he thinks voters will agree with.
Now another comment from him above:
Coun Alexander responded by saying he will pursue the case further, although he has reported the shop numerous times before.
I do hope this persuing is done in a capcity as private citizen, in his own time and not using council resourses.
After all we wouldn't want Calamity James to be compared with the Great Liberal Traffic Light Incident, in terms of using Council position and influence for personal gain.
eboracum
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12:31pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Big Bad Wolf
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12:59pm Fri 27 Jul 12
I would have thought someone in Mr Alexanders position should keep their opinions on what is tasteful and what is not to themselves.
I also think that Twitter is a very cowardly way of attacking anyone as Mr Sykes may not have an account to see what is being said about him.
Trustmeiknoweverything&every1
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1:00pm Fri 27 Jul 12
But on the other hand it is deemed acceptable to flaunt "i love York" t-shirt's in the window of CACTUS TRADING POST on gillygate. have people seen the paraphernalia equipment sold within that shop & exactly what its associated with!
pretty certain its why it has statue of a cat outside the shop aswell.
All bow to the tourist's
Older Sometimes Wiser
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1:02pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Search for "news Bavarian neo Nazi party?", and you will find that the principles of the German Reich are still going strong.This may mean nothing to those born post war or those who glorify violence, but hopefully they are in a minority.
Buzz Light-year
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1:03pm Fri 27 Jul 12
He and his wife are friendly, nice people running a local business. Isn't that what we should be encouraging?
I'm much more disgusted by kids t-shirts which say "future p0rn star" and the like.
As for the shop, I loathe McDonald's and feel that their products have a more detrimental effect on society and general public health than airguns and Hitler shirts. But I'm not going to kick up a fuss and "pursue" it.
Is JA on a mission to become the least popular man in York's history?
oldgoat
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1:13pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Pedro wrote:The worst shops in York are the ones that are closed!
The worst shop in York. I don't even like walking past.
Regardless of the products being sold, and I'm not a fan of guns, the fact that its a small business, supplying a need and giving people jobs, is far more important.
Right, Cllr Alexander?
lowbeam
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1:16pm Fri 27 Jul 12
bpk68
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1:19pm Fri 27 Jul 12
also: “It gives a terrible impression, it’s not the tolerant and welcoming York I know.”
Mate, it's a gun and light munitions shop. I don't think they typically foster tolerance and a welcoming spirit.....but no you're right, the T-Shirt is what's done it....
Isn't the T-Shirt mocking Hitler anyway, you can't say it's promoting Nazism, just because it features one.
NickPheas
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1:25pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Man's got a point as far as the guns go.
bar_wench
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1:54pm Fri 27 Jul 12
redbluelion
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2:02pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Geoffers
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2:25pm Fri 27 Jul 12
retrorigg
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2:32pm Fri 27 Jul 12
sr2222
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2:51pm Fri 27 Jul 12
JulieRed
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2:52pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Geoffers
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2:53pm Fri 27 Jul 12
retrorigg wrote:Pathetic!
jeeeez, get a llife misery ****, this country and YORK is getting pathetic..seriously
mitchellrj
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2:53pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Up is down.
Left is right.
Alexander is powerless to do anything and merely spoke out to pander to overly-sensitive types.
Dave Taylor
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2:54pm Fri 27 Jul 12
The tee-shirts are hardly likely to kill anyone... however, Sykes also sells guns which may be used to kill or maim people and animals. Now that is sick and disgusting!
lezyork1966
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2:55pm Fri 27 Jul 12
bad taste is always subjective, its as much bad taste for these t shirts glorifying war as its bad taste to display a USA flag alongside native american pictures!
maybe we need some england tour shirts listing all the countries we screwed over.... would that be good taste?
Andy1675
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3:05pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Kevin Turvey
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3:19pm Fri 27 Jul 12
maybe we need some england tour shirts listing all the countries we screwed over.... would that be good taste?’
Good idea, although the list would be far too long to fit on a T shirt maybe a Tapestry or a very long scarf?
yawn..
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3:23pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Sillybillies
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3:31pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Its the weapons and gas masks etc I have the issue with
Why, they are all legal if sold in compliance with the law?
Caecilius
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4:05pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:And do members of the Bavarian neo-Nazi party goosestep about in comedy "Adolf Hitler's Tour of Europe" teeshirts that are taking the mickey out of their beloved Fuhrer? Somehow, I doubt it.
I agree with James Alexander on this. This shop degrades York, and to sell Nazi tee shirts is yet another reason to find a way to remove it. Search for "news Bavarian neo Nazi party?", and you will find that the principles of the German Reich are still going strong.This may mean nothing to those born post war or those who glorify violence, but hopefully they are in a minority.
This is typical of Alexander. The man who justifies arbitrary decisions by referring to manifesto commitments that can't actually be found in his party's manifesto. The man whose Cabinet, according to last night's Press, decided not to consult the public on the wholesale removal of litter bins because we insignificant little people "would have inevitably debated the decisions", and who now proposes to "pursue" a shopkeeper for conducting legitimate business. The teeshirts are a harmless joke - the fact that we have a council leader who tries to run York the way James Alexander does is infinitely more worrying.
El Clinton
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4:25pm Fri 27 Jul 12
I don't particularly like the shop either, its not in good taste but each to their own. You can't realistically start meddling with what shops sell unless it happens to be illegal.
Mr Crabtree
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4:35pm Fri 27 Jul 12
I's time James Alexander made better use of his time, and got his own house in order (sorry, he doesn't have one, does he, but, I meant council policy). He spends far too much time on national and regional political issues, twittering and self-promotion. Where are all these extra houses you promised in your manifesto, James ?
This latest publicity stunt, is to divert attention from all his cabinet c*ck-ups; Union Terrace, Beckfield Lane tip, Burnholme Community College, Green wheelie bin charges, cuts to care, housing failure..... the list gets longer everyday, meanwhile he is borrowing millions for his vanity projects. Bring back Galloway, admittedly he made a few mistakes, but, Calamity James is making SG look half-decent !
Mr Crabtree
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4:40pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Buzz Light-year wrote:Well said, Buzz !
There's always someone periodically having a go at this shop and Mr Sykes. As is usual this will be water off a ducks back for him. He and his wife are friendly, nice people running a local business. Isn't that what we should be encouraging? I'm much more disgusted by kids t-shirts which say "future p0rn star" and the like. As for the shop, I loathe McDonald's and feel that their products have a more detrimental effect on society and general public health than airguns and Hitler shirts. But I'm not going to kick up a fuss and "pursue" it. Is JA on a mission to become the least popular man in York's history?
Totally agree with you on this.
Glad we can see eye to eye on something for a change.
Nice one, mate ;-)
Mr Crabtree
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4:42pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Ichabod76 wrote:So soooooo true !
The only people making York look bad at the moment are the council Don't you have more important things to be doing than tweeting what shops are selling ?
Alexander is a joke !
Sawday2
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5:19pm Fri 27 Jul 12
mickrick
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5:47pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Guy Fawkes
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5:50pm Fri 27 Jul 12
There's nothing new under the sun, though. In the mid-50s my grandpa, on a trip to the US, bought a plastic model of Julius Rosenberg in the electric chair in a toy shop. You put two AA batteries in it, pressed the button, and it buzzed and glowed. At the time he bought it they were selling by the lorry load, apparently.
yorky1979
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7:37pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Mr Crabtree
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8:01pm Fri 27 Jul 12
One demolished housing in York, the others demolished housebuilding in York !!!
Please put that slogan on a T-shirt Mr Sykes, with pictures of Alexander and Hitler, and myself and many out of work builders will all buy one !
Mr Crabtree
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8:04pm Fri 27 Jul 12
mickrick
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8:16pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Its got James alexanders picture on it.
i expect to be arrested any time for indecency.
Gramayre
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8:35pm Fri 27 Jul 12
big smiffy
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9:00pm Fri 27 Jul 12
like sorting out silly ideas about charging us to empty our green bins
sperare e coraggio
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9:36pm Fri 27 Jul 12
THIS BROADCAST JUST BEEN HEARD ON RADIO RAGTAG:
"I am speaking to you now from the cabinet room at York Council.
This morning the Council office boy handed the Blue Moon Trading Company a final note, stating that unless we heard from them by eleven o'clock that they were prepared at once to remove their T shirts from their shop window a state of war would exist between us.
I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received and that consequently this council leader is at war with Blue Moon shop.
Now may God bless you all and may He defend the right. For it is petty things that I shall be fighting against, toy guns, fake weapons, harmless military outfits and freedom to choose. And against them I am certain that right will prevail."
sperare e coraggio
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9:47pm Fri 27 Jul 12
THIS BROADCAST HAS JUST BEEN HEARD ON RADIO BLUE MOON:
All I have to offer is blood, toil, T Shirts and swastikas.
sperare e coraggio
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9:52pm Fri 27 Jul 12
"Never before in the field of retailing have so many T-shirts been sold by so few to so many.
sperare e coraggio
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9:57pm Fri 27 Jul 12
"If the Alexander tweets last for a thousand years men will still say that this was his finest sour."
sperare e coraggio
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10:06pm Fri 27 Jul 12
We will sell them on the beaches, in the fields and the streets, in the towns, on the landing grounds and in the hills. We will never surrender our T shirts.
Ageing Hippy
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10:56pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Pedro wrote:Try jogging!
The worst shop in York. I don't even like walking past.
Ageing Hippy
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10:56pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Pedro wrote:Try jogging!
The worst shop in York. I don't even like walking past.
Yorkborneinbse
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11:08pm Fri 27 Jul 12
Lanky129
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1:06am Sat 28 Jul 12
Waspish1 wrote:This is the same alexander who dosent listen to the people who elected him, the owner of the shop pays his rent and tax. If people are offended ignore it if it really bothers you close your eyes or act like a adult and pretend you didn't see it.
He's only got 650 followers so not many people are interested in what he tweets.
Old_Man
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1:36am Sat 28 Jul 12
Magicman!
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2:50am Sat 28 Jul 12
If York councillors think the shop is "a disgrace" why do they allow it to remain in place and paying rent?
AnotherPointofView
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7:39am Sat 28 Jul 12
Come on Mr Alexander aren't you going to respond??
RingoStarr
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10:30am Sat 28 Jul 12
eboracum99
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11:27am Sat 28 Jul 12
Sillybillies
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12:17pm Sat 28 Jul 12
i personally find it disgusting and very worrying.
What would you do if there was anything really worth worrying about?
Sillybillies
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12:24pm Sat 28 Jul 12
If York councillors think the shop is "a disgrace" why do they allow it to remain in place and paying rent?
It doesn't matter what you think of James Alexander. Blue Moon trading is a disgrace and should be closed down.
This is (still in some matters) a free country, and the Blue Moon is trading within the law. Get over it!
I'm sure the owner is grateful for the free publicity.
eboracum99
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12:32pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Sillybillies
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12:42pm Sat 28 Jul 12
The clothing, made to resemble T-shirts sold by rock bands when on world tours, bares the slogan: “Adolf Hitler’s tour of Europe”, underneath which it says destinations England and Russia have been “cancelled”, in reference to Hitler’s failed attempts to conquer both countries during the Second World War.
eboracum99, it's taking the p1ss, it's mocking Hitler and the Nazis, have you had a humour bypass? Grow up for heaven's sake.
Yorkborneinbse
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12:47pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Old_Man wrote:And so should food outlets registering zero on the scores in the doors system. These will cause 'real' harm and not the feelings of some who have had a sense of humour transplant.
It doesn't matter what you think of James Alexander. Blue Moon trading is a disgrace and should be closed down.
Sillybillies
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12:49pm Sat 28 Jul 12
My 84 year old father is very upset today, he fought at the battle of Anzio fighting nazism
Unlikely, the battle of Anzio was Jan - May 1944, when he was only 16.
eboracum99
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12:56pm Sat 28 Jul 12
sperare e coraggio
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1:30pm Sat 28 Jul 12
You have lost your credibility.
No one is going to believe you suddenly remembered your dad is actually ten years older than previously mentioned.
My dad is crying too.
"He drove a tank
Held a private's rank
When the blitzkreig raged
And the bodies stank."
He thought he fought the war to achieve freedom. Freedom of speech. Freedom of thought. Freedom of choice.
Turns out it was only freedom to do as you are told and buy only items which would-be dictators like you say he should be allowed to buy.
Just because you don't like what Mr Sykes is selling doesn't give you or James Alexander the right tell others what they should or should not choose to purchase.
Just look at yourself - and the way you are behaving. People who were around in the 1930's find something very familiar about your attitude.
Geoffers
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3:17pm Sat 28 Jul 12
sperare e coraggio wrote:You're too young to know the effect the last war had on families.
Too late Eboracum99!
You have lost your credibility.
No one is going to believe you suddenly remembered your dad is actually ten years older than previously mentioned.
My dad is crying too.
"He drove a tank
Held a private's rank
When the blitzkreig raged
And the bodies stank."
He thought he fought the war to achieve freedom. Freedom of speech. Freedom of thought. Freedom of choice.
Turns out it was only freedom to do as you are told and buy only items which would-be dictators like you say he should be allowed to buy.
Just because you don't like what Mr Sykes is selling doesn't give you or James Alexander the right tell others what they should or should not choose to purchase.
Just look at yourself - and the way you are behaving. People who were around in the 1930's find something very familiar about your attitude.
Hitler was responsible for the deaths of millions of people. Some died in the most horrible and cruel circumstances.
Many good people died to give us the freedom we now enjoy.
To glorify, in any way, what he was responsible for is just not acceptable.
I suggest that the vast number of posters here take the time to find out what he did to the 6 million jews, gypsies, homosexuals & mentally retarded.
The man was evil, evil, evil!!!
Sillybillies
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3:31pm Sat 28 Jul 12
You're too young to know the effect the last war had on families.
You don't know how old any of us are, and a very effective weapon against evil is humour - ever heard of it?
Even AndyD
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3:33pm Sat 28 Jul 12
sperare e coraggio wrote:Freedom cuts both ways, doesn't it? Man puts his opinion on Twitter, but you want to stop him. If that isn't suppression of speech, I don't know what is. You little dictator, you... ;-)
Too late Eboracum99!
You have lost your credibility.
No one is going to believe you suddenly remembered your dad is actually ten years older than previously mentioned.
My dad is crying too.
"He drove a tank
Held a private's rank
When the blitzkreig raged
And the bodies stank."
He thought he fought the war to achieve freedom. Freedom of speech. Freedom of thought. Freedom of choice.
Turns out it was only freedom to do as you are told and buy only items which would-be dictators like you say he should be allowed to buy.
Just because you don't like what Mr Sykes is selling doesn't give you or James Alexander the right tell others what they should or should not choose to purchase.
Just look at yourself - and the way you are behaving. People who were around in the 1930's find something very familiar about your attitude.
Even AndyD
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3:51pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Sillybillies wrote:One of the most effective I'd say, against any bully, in fact. A good and apposite example is Mel Brooks' comedy. A Jewish individual who certainly did not shy away from depicting Hitler.
You're too young to know the effect the last war had on families.
You don't know how old any of us are, and a very effective weapon against evil is humour - ever heard of it?
Mr Crabtree
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5:21pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Geoffers wrote:There was no glorification intended with the T-shirt - it was making fun of Hitler. It's the same as putting the image of a devil on a T-shirt, it isn't meant to glorify evil. You, like the objectors on here are taking this completely out of context. You will be calling those of us who disagree with Alexander's stance, nazi's next. Using the fascist card, to gag us. Aleander needs to use his time more productively, on serious issues like the housing problem ;-)
sperare e coraggio wrote:You're too young to know the effect the last war had on families.
Too late Eboracum99!
You have lost your credibility.
No one is going to believe you suddenly remembered your dad is actually ten years older than previously mentioned.
My dad is crying too.
"He drove a tank
Held a private's rank
When the blitzkreig raged
And the bodies stank."
He thought he fought the war to achieve freedom. Freedom of speech. Freedom of thought. Freedom of choice.
Turns out it was only freedom to do as you are told and buy only items which would-be dictators like you say he should be allowed to buy.
Just because you don't like what Mr Sykes is selling doesn't give you or James Alexander the right tell others what they should or should not choose to purchase.
Just look at yourself - and the way you are behaving. People who were around in the 1930's find something very familiar about your attitude.
Hitler was responsible for the deaths of millions of people. Some died in the most horrible and cruel circumstances.
Many good people died to give us the freedom we now enjoy.
To glorify, in any way, what he was responsible for is just not acceptable.
I suggest that the vast number of posters here take the time to find out what he did to the 6 million jews, gypsies, homosexuals & mentally retarded.
The man was evil, evil, evil!!!
Mr Crabtree
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5:25pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Even AndyD wrote:Where did sperare say that ?
sperare e coraggio wrote:Freedom cuts both ways, doesn't it? Man puts his opinion on Twitter, but you want to stop him. If that isn't suppression of speech, I don't know what is. You little dictator, you... ;-)
Too late Eboracum99!
You have lost your credibility.
No one is going to believe you suddenly remembered your dad is actually ten years older than previously mentioned.
My dad is crying too.
"He drove a tank
Held a private's rank
When the blitzkreig raged
And the bodies stank."
He thought he fought the war to achieve freedom. Freedom of speech. Freedom of thought. Freedom of choice.
Turns out it was only freedom to do as you are told and buy only items which would-be dictators like you say he should be allowed to buy.
Just because you don't like what Mr Sykes is selling doesn't give you or James Alexander the right tell others what they should or should not choose to purchase.
Just look at yourself - and the way you are behaving. People who were around in the 1930's find something very familiar about your attitude.
Are you trying to put words in his mouth ?
He is all for freedom of speech, and the freedom of BMT to sell what is not illegal.
Tigerlady
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5:49pm Sat 28 Jul 12
sr2222 wrote:Lol ! I have an Erik Bloodaxe tshirt I bought in the 80's from York Archaelogical Trust !!
I have done business with Mr Sykes and he is a very pleasant and intelligent man . I cannot see what the fuss is about and maybe he should get some t shirts done with William the Conquerer on it or maybe viking blood axe . How far back to we go ? Oh what about the Romans v Boudica ? That wasnt too pleasant at times either but we dont make a fuss about that . Get a life and James Alexander can go to H***. Wasn't that long ago he was a student and did all the things that students do. Time to move on and let bygones be bygones . I must go and celebrate Agincourt. good win... Bullseye. ! Good for Blue moon keep us amused please.
Sillybillies
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6:14pm Sat 28 Jul 12
And it's all rather rich that the last two leaders of his party were for their lying to parliament and the illegal bombing of Serbia and the invasion of Iraq, war criminals of a calibre not far removed from the Nazi leadership, and well deserve the punishment handed down at Nuremberg.
Even AndyD
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7:39pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Mr Crabtree wrote:Wonderful. Well that is alright then, isn't it?
Even AndyD wrote:Where did sperare say that ?
sperare e coraggio wrote:Freedom cuts both ways, doesn't it? Man puts his opinion on Twitter, but you want to stop him. If that isn't suppression of speech, I don't know what is. You little dictator, you... ;-)
Too late Eboracum99!
You have lost your credibility.
No one is going to believe you suddenly remembered your dad is actually ten years older than previously mentioned.
My dad is crying too.
"He drove a tank
Held a private's rank
When the blitzkreig raged
And the bodies stank."
He thought he fought the war to achieve freedom. Freedom of speech. Freedom of thought. Freedom of choice.
Turns out it was only freedom to do as you are told and buy only items which would-be dictators like you say he should be allowed to buy.
Just because you don't like what Mr Sykes is selling doesn't give you or James Alexander the right tell others what they should or should not choose to purchase.
Just look at yourself - and the way you are behaving. People who were around in the 1930's find something very familiar about your attitude.
Are you trying to put words in his mouth ?
He is all for freedom of speech, and the freedom of BMT to sell what is not illegal.
kirchheim
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8:37pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Guy Fawkes
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8:59pm Sat 28 Jul 12
Hitler was responsible for the deaths of millions of people. Some died in the most horrible and cruel circumstances.
So was Stalin. And if you replace millions with hundreds of thousands, you could add a list of at least dozens and probably hundreds of leaders (some of them dictators but many, like Hitler, democratically elected), many of whom are the subject of humour and satire that passes largely without comment.
It would take a PhD dissertation in modern history to explore properly the variant of Godwin's law whereby humour about Hitler and the Nazis is considered by many, Alexander included, it seems, to be taboo and off limits. I don't think that the promotion of that taboo is helpful, because by suppressing humour you run the risk of suppressing attempts to understand what he did and why, too.
highhat
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7:52am Sun 29 Jul 12
Wouldnt mind a browse and I quite fancy a novelty T shirt.
sperare e coraggio
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8:45am Sun 29 Jul 12
You are utterly wrong.
At no time have I ever called for James Alexander to be banned from tweeting.
On the contrary, I support freedom of expression - including the freedom to respond to political opportunist publicity seekers.
I want Alexander to keep tweeting. The more he does it the more he exposes himself as the twit that he is.
Even AndyD
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9:25am Sun 29 Jul 12
nowthen
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9:54am Sun 29 Jul 12
Goering; had two but they were small,
Himmler; was somewhat similar
But poor old Goebbels--had no balls--at all.
And as for Jimmy the kid Alexander; I'll leave it to the panel to discuss and only hope that the Union Terrace Buffoon's bleeding heart , loony left sensibilities aren't " sickened and disgusted " by the humorous verse above.
Older Sometimes Wiser
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11:09am Sun 29 Jul 12
Even AndyD wrote:"People exposing their true character by what they post. "
People exposing their true character by what they post. Hmmm. Do you know, you could well be right.
A phase that everyone who posts here should dwell on !
YSTClinguist
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12:37pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Mr Crabtree
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1:21pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Even AndyD wrote:That makes 'sperare' an honest and decent man, who says it like it is.
People exposing their true character by what they post. Hmmm. Do you know, you could well be right.
Some, on the other hand, are mischief-makers, who say things that are not true, and then avoid apologising by trying to change the subject ? !!!
Mr Crabtree
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1:26pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Even AndyD wrote:Cheating liars, full of bitterness, prejudice and resentment - they know who they are !!!!
People exposing their true character by what they post. Hmmm. Do you know, you could well be right.
Even AndyD
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1:31pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Mr Crabtree wrote:I think we all do.
Even AndyD wrote:Cheating liars, full of bitterness, prejudice and resentment - they know who they are !!!!
People exposing their true character by what they post. Hmmm. Do you know, you could well be right.
sperare e coraggio
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1:51pm Sun 29 Jul 12
"Calamity calling, Calamity Calling.
Our T-shirt police will be over tonight to round up all you who are wearing slogans I disapprove of.
You will be taken to T-shirt resettlement camps where you will be taught the error of your ways.
My opinion must prevail. I am the duly appointed Leader and you will do as I say or face the consequences. You will obey my orders.
We will crush your resistance movement. Anyone caught wearing a prohibited T-shirt will be severely dealt with. You will be strapped into a chair and forced to sit through a full council meeting where I, the glorious Leader, will espouse my vision for the greater socialist republic of Yorkshire.
There will be no dissent. My word is Law. I am Leader. You are unimportant.
Even AndyD
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5:02pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:Quite.
Even AndyD wrote:"People exposing their true character by what they post. "
People exposing their true character by what they post. Hmmm. Do you know, you could well be right.
A phase that everyone who posts here should dwell on !
Buzz Light-year
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5:38pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Mr Crabtree wrote:Actually that makes him someone who makes false accusations, refuses to retract or apologise and then hypocritically demands other people retract their claims on another thread.
Even AndyD wrote: People exposing their true character by what they post. Hmmm. Do you know, you could well be right.That makes 'sperare' an honest and decent man, who says it like it is. Some, on the other hand, are mischief-makers, who say things that are not true, and then avoid apologising by trying to change the subject ? !!!
Buzz Light-year
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5:40pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Mr Crabtree wrote:Yes, well it's nice that we can agree on something for a change but my mates can call me a tw*t without me being offended.
Buzz Light-year wrote: There's always someone periodically having a go at this shop and Mr Sykes. As is usual this will be water off a ducks back for him. He and his wife are friendly, nice people running a local business. Isn't that what we should be encouraging? I'm much more disgusted by kids t-shirts which say "future p0rn star" and the like. As for the shop, I loathe McDonald's and feel that their products have a more detrimental effect on society and general public health than airguns and Hitler shirts. But I'm not going to kick up a fuss and "pursue" it. Is JA on a mission to become the least popular man in York's history?Well said, Buzz ! Totally agree with you on this. Glad we can see eye to eye on something for a change. Nice one, mate ;-)
You offended me.
Mr Crabtree
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5:54pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Even AndyD wrote:Glad you have been dwelling on it :-), but, sad that there is no contrition forthcoming :-(
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:Quite.
Even AndyD wrote:"People exposing their true character by what they post. "
People exposing their true character by what they post. Hmmm. Do you know, you could well be right.
A phase that everyone who posts here should dwell on !
Mr Crabtree
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5:55pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Buzz Light-year wrote:Never mind, you deserved it !
Mr Crabtree wrote:Yes, well it's nice that we can agree on something for a change but my mates can call me a tw*t without me being offended.
Buzz Light-year wrote: There's always someone periodically having a go at this shop and Mr Sykes. As is usual this will be water off a ducks back for him. He and his wife are friendly, nice people running a local business. Isn't that what we should be encouraging? I'm much more disgusted by kids t-shirts which say "future p0rn star" and the like. As for the shop, I loathe McDonald's and feel that their products have a more detrimental effect on society and general public health than airguns and Hitler shirts. But I'm not going to kick up a fuss and "pursue" it. Is JA on a mission to become the least popular man in York's history?Well said, Buzz ! Totally agree with you on this. Glad we can see eye to eye on something for a change. Nice one, mate ;-)
You offended me.
ouseswimmer
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5:57pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Mr Crabtree
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6:23pm Sun 29 Jul 12
The problem is that they all want to play left wing, but, hope to make a new signing from the conservatives to play on the right !
Their first game is against Housebuilders United in the Anti Affordable Housing League. It is expected to be a very one-sided game, with plenty of cheating, own goals and red cards !
Mr Crabtree
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6:31pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Unfortunately, Housebuilders United were well and truly beaten and missed their 50% target. They have been forced into receivership, and are to be rescued by Labour as a state owned, nationalised team, and will not be allowed to make any profits in future. In this political football game, will there be only one winner ?
Even AndyD
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6:32pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Mr Crabtree wrote:Don't be ridiculous. I was gently pointing out irony (with a smile, to boot!) that castigating someone for having an opinion on Twitter wasn't a million miles away from what Sperare was accusing JA of. As well you know!
Even AndyD wrote:Glad you have been dwelling on it :-), but, sad that there is no contrition forthcoming :-(
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:Quite.
Even AndyD wrote:"People exposing their true character by what they post. "
People exposing their true character by what they post. Hmmm. Do you know, you could well be right.
A phase that everyone who posts here should dwell on !
And what do I get for a friendly, tongue-in-cheek comment? Look above - apparently I'm now either a sheep, or part of some Orwellian thought police. Same old ridicule, same old insults, same false outrage.
A word of advice - if you genuinely want people to have sympathy with your AH cause, then perhaps the way to go about it would be not to constantly insult them. The same goes for council employees and Labour politicians. Most people respond to reason - but humans are what they are - constantly snipe at them and even the most reasonable might start being obstructive!
bolero
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7:23pm Sun 29 Jul 12
York1900
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7:24pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Shop wins thanks to James Alexander
it is time James Alexander thinks before he gets on twitter and tweets
As council leader he needs to know when keep quite instead of giving publicity to thing that are not worthy of publicity
.
Even AndyD
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7:35pm Sun 29 Jul 12
York1900 wrote:I'd agree in that it was a little naive. But that is the man to a certain extent - some would call it naive, others refreshing.
James Alexander makes a fuss shop gets lots of publicity that it could not buy
Shop wins thanks to James Alexander
it is time James Alexander thinks before he gets on twitter and tweets
As council leader he needs to know when keep quite instead of giving publicity to thing that are not worthy of publicity
.
Not sure about the publicity. There are how many people using these forums do you think? Me, Mr C and occasionally a few others! And I don't like guns. :-)
sperare e coraggio
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8:43pm Sun 29 Jul 12
When the leader of the Council starts getting excited about a T shirt it is time to question his ability, his priorities and his judgement.
The issue is not whether or not things on sale at Blue Moon Trading are offensive to some people. Of course they are. That is not the point. (though the T shirt itself taking the mickey out of Adolph Hitler is far less offensive than other products.)
The real cause for concern here is the actions of the council leader in wanting to ban products even though they are perfectly legal; and openly threatening to do what he can to close down a Legitimate small business, just because he personally dislikes what they are selling.
This is disgraceful conduct. James Alexander talks about "tolerance" but he is being totally intolerant. He is abusing his position as an elected local politician to try to bring about the destruction of a local retail outlet. Ok so guns, uniforms, daggers badges and the like are not what you would find inside Mary Poppins' bag but so what? This is supposed to be a free country. Some people are into that world and if they aren't hurting anyone or doing anything illegal why should Calamity James start his own little war against them. I have never bought anything from Blue Moon and never will; but I am sick and tired of seeing people have a go at them. For goodness sake live and let live. What is that quotation? I disagree with what you say but I will fight to defend your right to say it? Well I don't like the products on sale at Blue Moon but I will fight for their right to sell it and for their customers to buy it.
This city is facing a lot of problems and the leader should be using all his energy to address those more serious matters.
This row over the design of a T shirt is petty and unnecessary. There are far more important things for the glorious leader to deal with.
This is "a storm in a T-shirt" .
Get a life Councillor Alexander and move on.
Even AndyD
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8:57pm Sun 29 Jul 12
I agree though its a little naive and I can't imagine Ian Gillies falling into the same trap. But really the Press have whipped it up into something it isn't. I've sympathy with JA more than anything else- politicians have to be word perfect nowadays. You will doubtless be aware of Aiden Burley who made a similar gaff on his own Twitter account yesterday. The question is, do we want our politicians to be human, or to be utterly 'on duty' at all times.
Me - I find it kind of refreshing that politicians are just like us and can wade in with their size tens. But as you will doubtless observe, I'm a wet, sheep-like, liberal, who should be shot with a gun from Blue Moon. :-)
spockboy2
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9:54pm Sun 29 Jul 12
The guns on the website look a bit worrying especially if you are a rat, pigeon or cat .
Most are just pop pistols not real guns.
http://www.bluemoong
uns.com/Budgetrifles
.htm
mickrick
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9:59pm Sun 29 Jul 12
ANNE SUMMERS Bit of exposure wouldnt do them any harm either.
Even AndyD
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10:19pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Mr Crabtree
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11:12pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Even AndyD wrote:Sympathy ? Now that is ridiculous.
Mr Crabtree wrote:Don't be ridiculous. I was gently pointing out irony (with a smile, to boot!) that castigating someone for having an opinion on Twitter wasn't a million miles away from what Sperare was accusing JA of. As well you know!
Even AndyD wrote:Glad you have been dwelling on it :-), but, sad that there is no contrition forthcoming :-(
Older Sometimes Wiser wrote:Quite.
Even AndyD wrote:"People exposing their true character by what they post. "
People exposing their true character by what they post. Hmmm. Do you know, you could well be right.
A phase that everyone who posts here should dwell on !
And what do I get for a friendly, tongue-in-cheek comment? Look above - apparently I'm now either a sheep, or part of some Orwellian thought police. Same old ridicule, same old insults, same false outrage.
A word of advice - if you genuinely want people to have sympathy with your AH cause, then perhaps the way to go about it would be not to constantly insult them. The same goes for council employees and Labour politicians. Most people respond to reason - but humans are what they are - constantly snipe at them and even the most reasonable might start being obstructive!
As you well know, our posts in the main are factual, reasoned and only insult the politicised cheats at the council. This always provokes the left to cast the first stone, and then we retaliate in kind. No matter how reasonable we put our case across, with substantiation of the indefensible discrimination and unfairness that these policies use, there are a group who cannot resist attacking us with their bitter irrelevant wind-ups.
No, we don't look for sympathy. We look for support against a policy that has killed private housebuilding in York, losing jobs and depriving York's economy of hundreds of millions in the last seven years. Housing is required in York, and throughout the UK, but, the York's council are useless at delivering the numbers that they require.
Mr Crabtree
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11:22pm Sun 29 Jul 12
Even AndyD wrote:
But the guy just expressed his opinion on Twitter, didn't he? Did he genuinely call for a ban ?(I'm asking here - not necessarily disagreeing). If he was really seeking to impose sanctions on legal trading, then I'd say that was wrong. But its not how it read to me.
I agree though its a little naive and I can't imagine Ian Gillies falling into the same trap. But really the Press have whipped it up into something it isn't. I've sympathy with JA more than anything else- politicians have to be word perfect nowadays. You will doubtless be aware of Aiden Burley who made a similar gaff on his own Twitter account yesterday. The question is, do we want our politicians to be human, or to be utterly 'on duty' at all times.
Me - I find it kind of refreshing that politicians are just like us and can wade in with their size tens. But as you will doubtless observe, I'm a wet, sheep-like, liberal, who should be shot with a gun from Blue Moon. :-)
"Coun Alexander responded by saying he will pursue the case further, although he has reported the shop numerous times before."
What do you say to the above ? (taken from the story).
There is nothing refreshing about Alexander's interference with matters which are a waste of a council leaders time. There are more serious matters that he should be sorting out !
Are you sure that you are not a Labour or JA apologist/defender ?
Even AndyD
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8:19am Mon 30 Jul 12
Mr Crabtree wrote:Didn't see that. Fair enough - my error.
Even AndyD wrote:
But the guy just expressed his opinion on Twitter, didn't he? Did he genuinely call for a ban ?(I'm asking here - not necessarily disagreeing). If he was really seeking to impose sanctions on legal trading, then I'd say that was wrong. But its not how it read to me.
I agree though its a little naive and I can't imagine Ian Gillies falling into the same trap. But really the Press have whipped it up into something it isn't. I've sympathy with JA more than anything else- politicians have to be word perfect nowadays. You will doubtless be aware of Aiden Burley who made a similar gaff on his own Twitter account yesterday. The question is, do we want our politicians to be human, or to be utterly 'on duty' at all times.
Me - I find it kind of refreshing that politicians are just like us and can wade in with their size tens. But as you will doubtless observe, I'm a wet, sheep-like, liberal, who should be shot with a gun from Blue Moon. :-)"Coun Alexander responded by saying he will pursue the case further, although he has reported the shop numerous times before."
What do you say to the above ? (taken from the story).
There is nothing refreshing about Alexander's interference with matters which are a waste of a council leaders time. There are more serious matters that he should be sorting out !
Are you sure that you are not a Labour or JA apologist/defender ?
No, I'm not an apologist - I think you will see that my post above is critical of JA too. But you overlook that, as always, blinkered to anything that doesn't suit the label you wish to apply to those who don't share your viewpoint.
Good luck with your campaign, it obviously means a lot to you. As I've said umpteen times before, I can see that AH isn't the answer.
EvenAndyD is now retiring. This isn't a 'flounce' - I'm just spending way too much of my time on here - best to go cold turkey as obviously I just can't resist.
Cya.
Sillybillies
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10:27am Mon 30 Jul 12
Rockmamma
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10:54am Mon 30 Jul 12
Sssh, don't tell him your name, Sykes!
xXx
oi oi savaloy
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11:57am Mon 30 Jul 12
Sillybillies wrote:How right you were rockmama! My comment has been removed! Yet it was a perfect legitimate statement!
Oh dear Mr Oi oi savaloy, you are about to find out that the Thought Police won't let you express opinions like that, and that freedom of speech is not truly allowed.
Freedom of speech on the York press website is non existent !
oi oi savaloy
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12:05pm Mon 30 Jul 12
oi oi savaloy wrote:Oops sorry it was silly billy
Sillybillies wrote: Oh dear Mr Oi oi savaloy, you are about to find out that the Thought Police won't let you express opinions like that, and that freedom of speech is not truly allowed.How right you were rockmama! My comment has been removed! Yet it was a perfect legitimate statement! Freedom of speech on the York press website is non existent !
As for this t shirt I had one in the 80's it is a joke and does not promote nazism or racism, get real Alexander this city as bigger problems like you greedy greedy lot , do you lot know exactly how many councillors are creaming the council tax payers for well over £100,000 a year? Check the list at the tax payers alliance !!
And let's fly a pretty flag promoting something that shall not b talked about on here in a anti kind of way because the truth hurts
Mr Crabtree
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1:19pm Mon 30 Jul 12
Even AndyD wrote:Actually, I'm not blinkered at all. I look at what you and others say, consider it, then give an opinion.
Mr Crabtree wrote:Didn't see that. Fair enough - my error. No, I'm not an apologist - I think you will see that my post above is critical of JA too. But you overlook that, as always, blinkered to anything that doesn't suit the label you wish to apply to those who don't share your viewpoint. Good luck with your campaign, it obviously means a lot to you. As I've said umpteen times before, I can see that AH isn't the answer. EvenAndyD is now retiring. This isn't a 'flounce' - I'm just spending way too much of my time on here - best to go cold turkey as obviously I just can't resist. Cya.Even AndyD wrote: But the guy just expressed his opinion on Twitter, didn't he? Did he genuinely call for a ban ?(I'm asking here - not necessarily disagreeing). If he was really seeking to impose sanctions on legal trading, then I'd say that was wrong. But its not how it read to me. I agree though its a little naive and I can't imagine Ian Gillies falling into the same trap. But really the Press have whipped it up into something it isn't. I've sympathy with JA more than anything else- politicians have to be word perfect nowadays. You will doubtless be aware of Aiden Burley who made a similar gaff on his own Twitter account yesterday. The question is, do we want our politicians to be human, or to be utterly 'on duty' at all times. Me - I find it kind of refreshing that politicians are just like us and can wade in with their size tens. But as you will doubtless observe, I'm a wet, sheep-like, liberal, who should be shot with a gun from Blue Moon. :-)"Coun Alexander responded by saying he will pursue the case further, although he has reported the shop numerous times before."What do you say to the above ? (taken from the story). There is nothing refreshing about Alexander's interference with matters which are a waste of a council leaders time. There are more serious matters that he should be sorting out ! Are you sure that you are not a Labour or JA apologist/defender ?
I did not overlook your carefully inserted criticism of JA, but, have to ask if you were hedging your bets and attempting to come across as less of a supporter/defender ?
Your posts were in the main, as they usually are, pro-Labour, Pro-Alexander and critical of us lot. When we point out your errors, you do what you always do - take your bat home.
Like Arnie, you will be back !
See you very soon, Andy ;-)
Buzz Light-year
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1:30pm Mon 30 Jul 12
EvenAndyD wrote:
Didn't see that. Fair enough - my error
Crabtree and sperare -
See, that's how it's done.
To admit you are wrong with such ease and dignity is something you guys seem unable to do.
Real men know when to hold their hand up.
You could learn a lot from EAD if you stopped giving him crap and just listened to what he actually says.
lis0r
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1:31pm Mon 30 Jul 12
mickrick wrote:Dear god, how straight and vanilla can you be? Anne Summer's doesn't sell any toys that in the least bit interesting, let alone truly disgusting.
I wonder if wonderboy Alexander would care to have a carp about some of the disgusting items in
ANNE SUMMERS Bit of exposure wouldnt do them any harm either.
Firedrake
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2:23pm Mon 30 Jul 12
GoodDoc
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4:07pm Mon 30 Jul 12
Mr Crabtree
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12:34am Tue 31 Jul 12
Buzz Light-year wrote:Er, sorry..... I think you will find that AndyD was in the wrong, not us. We listened to him, then put him right !
EvenAndyD wrote: Didn't see that. Fair enough - my errorCrabtree and sperare - See, that's how it's done. To admit you are wrong with such ease and dignity is something you guys seem unable to do. Real men know when to hold their hand up. You could learn a lot from EAD if you stopped giving him crap and just listened to what he actually says.
Now waiting for you to stop giving us crap.......
heworth.28
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11:17am Tue 31 Jul 12
Sillybillies
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3:48pm Tue 31 Jul 12
I have seen the odd one or two there in the past depicting the swastika and/or SS logo, without any humourous message attached, can't imagine why anyone would find that appropriate?
Appropriate or not it isn't illegal so it can be done. In English law it's a fundamental principle that if it ain't forbidden by law you can do it.
Buzz Light-year
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8:54pm Tue 31 Jul 12
Mr Crabtree wrote:Yep and he responded by admitting it, something you've never done.
Buzz Light-year wrote:Er, sorry..... I think you will find that AndyD was in the wrong, not us. We listened to him, then put him right ! Now waiting for you to stop giving us crap.......EvenAndyD wrote: Didn't see that. Fair enough - my errorCrabtree and sperare - See, that's how it's done. To admit you are wrong with such ease and dignity is something you guys seem unable to do. Real men know when to hold their hand up. You could learn a lot from EAD if you stopped giving him crap and just listened to what he actually says.
When you show even half the humility, understanding, respect and dignity of EAD, you will be starting out on the path to becoming as big a man as him.
Maybe then I'll stop pointing out your disgraceful behaviour, or as you arrogantly call it, "giving you crap"
Mr Crabtree
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12:48am Wed 1 Aug 12
Buzz Light-year wrote:Support your allegations with evidence of me personally getting something wrong and not admitting or apologising for it. Point out this specific disgraceful behaviour.
Mr Crabtree wrote:Yep and he responded by admitting it, something you've never done. When you show even half the humility, understanding, respect and dignity of EAD, you will be starting out on the path to becoming as big a man as him. Maybe then I'll stop pointing out your disgraceful behaviour, or as you arrogantly call it, "giving you crap"Buzz Light-year wrote:Er, sorry..... I think you will find that AndyD was in the wrong, not us. We listened to him, then put him right ! Now waiting for you to stop giving us crap.......EvenAndyD wrote: Didn't see that. Fair enough - my errorCrabtree and sperare - See, that's how it's done. To admit you are wrong with such ease and dignity is something you guys seem unable to do. Real men know when to hold their hand up. You could learn a lot from EAD if you stopped giving him crap and just listened to what he actually says.
Buzz Light-year
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9:09am Wed 1 Aug 12
Mr Crabtree wrote:I could quote so many but I'm not sure the formatting of this website can run to so many characters.
Buzz Light-year wrote:Support your allegations with evidence of me personally getting something wrong and not admitting or apologising for it. Point out this specific disgraceful behaviour.Mr Crabtree wrote:Yep and he responded by admitting it, something you've never done. When you show even half the humility, understanding, respect and dignity of EAD, you will be starting out on the path to becoming as big a man as him. Maybe then I'll stop pointing out your disgraceful behaviour, or as you arrogantly call it, "giving you crap"Buzz Light-year wrote:Er, sorry..... I think you will find that AndyD was in the wrong, not us. We listened to him, then put him right ! Now waiting for you to stop giving us crap.......EvenAndyD wrote: Didn't see that. Fair enough - my errorCrabtree and sperare - See, that's how it's done. To admit you are wrong with such ease and dignity is something you guys seem unable to do. Real men know when to hold their hand up. You could learn a lot from EAD if you stopped giving him crap and just listened to what he actually says.
I don't need to quote you, the record stands. Anyone who reads this site knows what a nasty player you are.
Besides, whatever I say to you I'm just going to get called a Labour stooge or a loony left or whatever inappropriate, immature name you next dream up. How far you are willing to concede or capitulate is inversely proportionate to how much disrespect you routinely dish out on a daily basis.
You are the king of arrogance.
ReginaldBiscuit
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12:35pm Wed 1 Aug 12
Loving the fact that the 5th Teletubbie is finding offence at T-shirts. I'd hate to think of him getting wound up over real issues.
capt spaulding
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6:17pm Wed 1 Aug 12
baldiebiker
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7:03pm Wed 1 Aug 12
The Great Buda
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3:00pm Thu 2 Aug 12
Buzz Light-year wrote:I've suggested to Mr Crabtree that he may want to seek help, but I fear he is to dug in to his own little world now.
Mr Crabtree wrote:I could quote so many but I'm not sure the formatting of this website can run to so many characters.
Buzz Light-year wrote:Support your allegations with evidence of me personally getting something wrong and not admitting or apologising for it. Point out this specific disgraceful behaviour.Mr Crabtree wrote:Yep and he responded by admitting it, something you've never done. When you show even half the humility, understanding, respect and dignity of EAD, you will be starting out on the path to becoming as big a man as him. Maybe then I'll stop pointing out your disgraceful behaviour, or as you arrogantly call it, "giving you crap"Buzz Light-year wrote:Er, sorry..... I think you will find that AndyD was in the wrong, not us. We listened to him, then put him right ! Now waiting for you to stop giving us crap.......EvenAndyD wrote: Didn't see that. Fair enough - my errorCrabtree and sperare - See, that's how it's done. To admit you are wrong with such ease and dignity is something you guys seem unable to do. Real men know when to hold their hand up. You could learn a lot from EAD if you stopped giving him crap and just listened to what he actually says.
I don't need to quote you, the record stands. Anyone who reads this site knows what a nasty player you are.
Besides, whatever I say to you I'm just going to get called a Labour stooge or a loony left or whatever inappropriate, immature name you next dream up. How far you are willing to concede or capitulate is inversely proportionate to how much disrespect you routinely dish out on a daily basis.
You are the king of arrogance.
PinzaC55
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8:21pm Thu 2 Aug 12
Buzz Light-year
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9:49pm Thu 2 Aug 12
Thank you.
Waspish1 says...
11:01am Fri 27 Jul 12