Controversial ftr buses make their final journey in York

York Press: One of the new double-decker buses which has replaced the ftr One of the new double-decker buses which has replaced the ftr

YORK’S controversial ftr buses have been taken off the streets, ending their six-year run in the city.

The final services on the Number 4 route from Acomb to the University of York ran over the weekend, but have now been replaced by double-deckers.

First York said in January that it had identified “an opportunity” to launch the ftr elsewhere and to replace them with the double-deckers in York.

Although the decision lay with the company, a spokesman said earlier in the year that the firm was “mindful” of the fact that the city council’s ruling Labour administration wanted them axed. In their 2011 council election manifesto, Labour called the buses a “costly disaster”.

The company said the new double-deckers would have lower carbon emissions and said the service would continue with no timetable changes, but the Unite union has voiced fears that the 29 people employed as conductors on the ftrs could be made redundant.

The ftrs were launched in York in May 2006 but were beset by controversy, with a storm of early complaints over the ticketing machines and the amount of money spent on roadworks to accommodate the larger buses at bus-stops and tight corners.

Tempers also flared between First and the council late last year, when the council’s cabinet member for transport issues, Dave Merrett, told The Press that talks had been held about finding an acceptable replacement, and First boss Dave Alexander accused him of revealing “private” discussions.

Both First and the city council declined to comment yesterday, but Mr Alexander said in January that the ftr had been an innovative concept and that the infrastructure changes would benefit bus passengers for years to come.

Passengers yesterday gave a mixed response to news of the ftrs’ removal.

Paul Hepworth, 63, said: “It was a bold experiment and it’s sad it had to end. I think people with buggies and restricted mobility could come to regret the loss of them.”

Sarah Smith, 20, said: “It doesn’t really bother me because there will still be a bus. It still gets me there no matter what it looks like.”

Shaun Nelson, 41, said: “I thought the ftr buses were okay but double deckers are just as good you assume, and probably just as easy to drive.”

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1:10pm Mon 12 Mar 12

nasrudin says...

So.
Farewell then
FTR.

You were the future.
But now you've passed.

Which is exactly what the traffic could never do.

E. J. Thribb (17½)
So. Farewell then FTR. You were the future. But now you've passed. Which is exactly what the traffic could never do. E. J. Thribb (17½) nasrudin
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1:27pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Mr Anderson says...

I drive around York city centre all day Monday to Friday. And to be honest, they never really bothered me. 
I drive around York city centre all day Monday to Friday. And to be honest, they never really bothered me.  Mr Anderson
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1:33pm Mon 12 Mar 12

gerry1962 says...

Well, I will miss them - went on the new bus today - cramped, not as easy to get on with a w/chair - ramp does NOT come out like I am sure one councillor said it did. And, from the conversations this morning, they are missing some security measures as well - not the best introduction.
Well, I will miss them - went on the new bus today - cramped, not as easy to get on with a w/chair - ramp does NOT come out like I am sure one councillor said it did. And, from the conversations this morning, they are missing some security measures as well - not the best introduction. gerry1962
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1:50pm Mon 12 Mar 12

BioLogic says...

Not sorry to see the back of these, hazard to other road users on York's streets.

Does that mean I nearly got sideswiped by one of the last of the on Sunday lunchtime on Tower Street, as it swept round the corner crossing between lanes? I feel so privileged
Not sorry to see the back of these, hazard to other road users on York's streets. Does that mean I nearly got sideswiped by one of the last of the on Sunday lunchtime on Tower Street, as it swept round the corner crossing between lanes? I feel so privileged BioLogic
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2:04pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Keepthewheelsturning says...

The fact that there is no cctv working on them, should be a concern.
The fact that there is no cctv working on them, should be a concern. Keepthewheelsturning
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2:19pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Pete the Brickie says...



Mr Anderson says...
1:27pm Mon 12 Mar 12

I drive one around York city centre all day Monday to Friday. And to be honest, they never really bothered me.



Well hopefully you'll notice your purple monster is only half as long this morning and doesn't bend in the middle when you get it out on James Street.
[quote] Mr Anderson says... 1:27pm Mon 12 Mar 12 I drive one around York city centre all day Monday to Friday. And to be honest, they never really bothered me. [/quote] Well hopefully you'll notice your purple monster is only half as long this morning and doesn't bend in the middle when you get it out on James Street. Pete the Brickie
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2:34pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Pete the Brickie says...



Keepthewheelsturning says...
2:04pm Mon 12 Mar 12

The fact that there is no citv working on them, should be a concern.



Not really there's not much on until after school starts and even then Grandpa in my Pocket and Horrid Henry will go way over the head of most First drivers.
[quote] Keepthewheelsturning says... 2:04pm Mon 12 Mar 12 The fact that there is no citv working on them, should be a concern. [/quote] Not really there's not much on until after school starts and even then Grandpa in my Pocket and Horrid Henry will go way over the head of most First drivers. Pete the Brickie
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2:54pm Mon 12 Mar 12

yorkborn66 says...

Good riddance came, tried, and failed, a forgone conclusion from the start.
The cost of altering road layouts, junctions, adding cross over’s etc, was astronomical. For a service that was doomed form the start.
Another complete waste of funds.
Good riddance came, tried, and failed, a forgone conclusion from the start. The cost of altering road layouts, junctions, adding cross over’s etc, was astronomical. For a service that was doomed form the start. Another complete waste of funds. yorkborn66
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3:29pm Mon 12 Mar 12

roclank2000 says...

I think society, and this page, needs a few more jokes about long purple bendy things that sometimes caused problems.
I think society, and this page, needs a few more jokes about long purple bendy things that sometimes caused problems. roclank2000
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3:29pm Mon 12 Mar 12

yorkshirelad says...

There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too.
I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.
There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too. I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service. yorkshirelad
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3:35pm Mon 12 Mar 12

bolero says...

Another costly Lib Dem failure. Unfortunately we'll still be picking up the tab for this debacle for years to come too. Hungate, Clifton Green, FTR,........etc,etc.
Another costly Lib Dem failure. Unfortunately we'll still be picking up the tab for this debacle for years to come too. Hungate, Clifton Green, FTR,........etc,etc. bolero
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4:21pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Hesrich says...

While the ftr buses might not have been good for other road users, as a passenger I found them comfortable. It was especially good that they had two sets of doors and a conductor: these features meant the bus didn't spend half its journey standing and waiting while people looked for change to pay the driver.
While the ftr buses might not have been good for other road users, as a passenger I found them comfortable. It was especially good that they had two sets of doors and a conductor: these features meant the bus didn't spend half its journey standing and waiting while people looked for change to pay the driver. Hesrich
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4:33pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Oaklands Resident says...

Lonq queues today at stops on the number 4 route. Taking much longer for the driver alone to take fares. Why weren't the conductors retained for a little while at least?
The change appears to have coincided with road works starting in the City centre. Not the brightest bit of timetabling by Alexander and co.
Many of the changes introduced on the ftr route will be used for years to come. In Cornlands Road everyone appreciates being able to park off the road and the buses (of whatever design) conitnue to benefit from a clear run.
Yorkshire lad is right. Any change should have been delayed until the availability of off bus ticket sales had been improved and smartcard readers introduced on NEW buses (not the four year old double deckers running on the number 4 route today).
Lonq queues today at stops on the number 4 route. Taking much longer for the driver alone to take fares. Why weren't the conductors retained for a little while at least? The change appears to have coincided with road works starting in the City centre. Not the brightest bit of timetabling by Alexander and co. Many of the changes introduced on the ftr route will be used for years to come. In Cornlands Road everyone appreciates being able to park off the road and the buses (of whatever design) conitnue to benefit from a clear run. Yorkshire lad is right. Any change should have been delayed until the availability of off bus ticket sales had been improved and smartcard readers introduced on NEW buses (not the four year old double deckers running on the number 4 route today). Oaklands Resident
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4:51pm Mon 12 Mar 12

wilfor says...

Now that the Future of Yorks buses has gone backwards can we now see a return to the York West Yorkshire service
Now that the Future of Yorks buses has gone backwards can we now see a return to the York West Yorkshire service wilfor
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5:07pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Kenskoi says...

That is the best news I have heard in years we will be able to use the left hand filter lanes that the things used to block causing massive congestion. the drivers of York will thank you forever.
That is the best news I have heard in years we will be able to use the left hand filter lanes that the things used to block causing massive congestion. the drivers of York will thank you forever. Kenskoi
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5:59pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Ding Dong! That bus is dead. Which old bus? The massive bus!
Ding Dong! The massive bus is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the massive bus is dead. It's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The big daft stup-id pur-ple peo-ple cru-shing bus is dead!


Seriously though... bit of a spat between the council and First, eh?
Ding Dong! That bus is dead. Which old bus? The massive bus! Ding Dong! The massive bus is dead. Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed. Wake up, the massive bus is dead. It's gone where the goblins go, Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out. Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low. Let them know The big daft stup-id pur-ple peo-ple cru-shing bus is dead! Seriously though... bit of a spat between the council and First, eh? Buzz Light-year
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6:55pm Mon 12 Mar 12

bloodaxe says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too.
I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.
Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too. I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow. bloodaxe
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8:17pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Marc77 says...

shame the rest of "worst dorks" buses didn't disappear.
shame the rest of "worst dorks" buses didn't disappear. Marc77
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9:40pm Mon 12 Mar 12

arglemcgee says...

I rarely used the ftr because from Acomb the Number 1 bus is much, much faster. Even if you're going all the way to the university, you're better off taking the Number 1 to the station and transferring there to the 4. That saves at least 20 minutes, because the 4 meanders back and forth, often going in the opposite direction to town, until it finally reaches Tadcaster Road and goes in a reasonably straight line. I suspect this problem won't be fixed with the different buses...
I rarely used the ftr because from Acomb the Number 1 bus is much, much faster. Even if you're going all the way to the university, you're better off taking the Number 1 to the station and transferring there to the 4. That saves at least 20 minutes, because the 4 meanders back and forth, often going in the opposite direction to town, until it finally reaches Tadcaster Road and goes in a reasonably straight line. I suspect this problem won't be fixed with the different buses... arglemcgee
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9:46pm Mon 12 Mar 12

TERRIER3 says...

bloodaxe wrote:
yorkshirelad wrote:
There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too.
I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.
Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.
next weekend mate, new ticket machines that you swipe your freebie bus pass over. no doubt the buses will run even later as dumb founded pensioners try to work out what to do with there passes
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too. I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.[/p][/quote]next weekend mate, new ticket machines that you swipe your freebie bus pass over. no doubt the buses will run even later as dumb founded pensioners try to work out what to do with there passes TERRIER3
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9:49pm Mon 12 Mar 12

TERRIER3 says...

BioLogic wrote:
Not sorry to see the back of these, hazard to other road users on York's streets.

Does that mean I nearly got sideswiped by one of the last of the on Sunday lunchtime on Tower Street, as it swept round the corner crossing between lanes? I feel so privileged
DOH!! you dont think that large vehicles like buses and wagons need more of the road to get round corners then? are you another car driver who has not got the first clue how to drive a large vehicle
[quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: Not sorry to see the back of these, hazard to other road users on York's streets. Does that mean I nearly got sideswiped by one of the last of the on Sunday lunchtime on Tower Street, as it swept round the corner crossing between lanes? I feel so privileged[/p][/quote]DOH!! you dont think that large vehicles like buses and wagons need more of the road to get round corners then? are you another car driver who has not got the first clue how to drive a large vehicle TERRIER3
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9:52pm Mon 12 Mar 12

TERRIER3 says...

bloodaxe wrote:
yorkshirelad wrote:
There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too.
I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.
Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.
your having a laugh arent you? transdev run decent buses on there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullmans old buses
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too. I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.[/p][/quote]your having a laugh arent you? transdev run decent buses on there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullmans old buses TERRIER3
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11:22pm Mon 12 Mar 12

BioLogic says...

TERRIER3 wrote:
BioLogic wrote:
Not sorry to see the back of these, hazard to other road users on York's streets.

Does that mean I nearly got sideswiped by one of the last of the on Sunday lunchtime on Tower Street, as it swept round the corner crossing between lanes? I feel so privileged
DOH!! you dont think that large vehicles like buses and wagons need more of the road to get round corners then? are you another car driver who has not got the first clue how to drive a large vehicle
Doh?? I'm well aware about driving a issues with cornering a large vehicle. Unfortunatly it would seem many of York's bus drivers are not. The fling then around the roads without any account taken that if they must cross into another lane to go around a bend then they must ensure it is safe to do so before they manoeuvre. Its a basic tenet of driving that seems to pass some bus (and some hgv drivers it has to be said) drivers by completely. And before you argue that this would make it impossible to drive down some streets in York in a bendy bus I agree with you, which is why it is fabulous the ftr is gone. It is sad if a few people lose jobs, but if that's the price to be rid of these dangerous monsters then it's a price worth paying. Let's hope the non purple bendy monsters are gone soon too.
[quote][p][bold]TERRIER3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BioLogic[/bold] wrote: Not sorry to see the back of these, hazard to other road users on York's streets. Does that mean I nearly got sideswiped by one of the last of the on Sunday lunchtime on Tower Street, as it swept round the corner crossing between lanes? I feel so privileged[/p][/quote]DOH!! you dont think that large vehicles like buses and wagons need more of the road to get round corners then? are you another car driver who has not got the first clue how to drive a large vehicle[/p][/quote]Doh?? I'm well aware about driving a issues with cornering a large vehicle. Unfortunatly it would seem many of York's bus drivers are not. The fling then around the roads without any account taken that if they must cross into another lane to go around a bend then they must ensure it is safe to do so before they manoeuvre. Its a basic tenet of driving that seems to pass some bus (and some hgv drivers it has to be said) drivers by completely. And before you argue that this would make it impossible to drive down some streets in York in a bendy bus I agree with you, which is why it is fabulous the ftr is gone. It is sad if a few people lose jobs, but if that's the price to be rid of these dangerous monsters then it's a price worth paying. Let's hope the non purple bendy monsters are gone soon too. BioLogic
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6:35am Tue 13 Mar 12

York1900 says...

At last we are rid of the worst bus ever to be put on the streets of York

But we will of course get all the old buses from first group fleet around the country

But that is no different to when it used to be York and West Yorkshire Road car company
At last we are rid of the worst bus ever to be put on the streets of York But we will of course get all the old buses from first group fleet around the country But that is no different to when it used to be York and West Yorkshire Road car company York1900
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8:17am Tue 13 Mar 12

jeffo59 says...

well i got a new drive put in because of that big bus.....
well i got a new drive put in because of that big bus..... jeffo59
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9:07am Tue 13 Mar 12

krites says...

Will they now start calling in Low Ousegate again? It always seemed daft to be using vehicles that could not stop at the most central bus-stop on the route.
Will they now start calling in Low Ousegate again? It always seemed daft to be using vehicles that could not stop at the most central bus-stop on the route. krites
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9:15am Tue 13 Mar 12

pedalling paul says...

TERRIER3 wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
yorkshirelad wrote:
There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too.
I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.
Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.
your having a laugh arent you? transdev run decent buses on there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullmans old buses
Spelling corrections i brackets. (You're) your having a laugh (aren't) arent you? transdev run decent buses on (their) there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullman's old buses.

6/10.

And when I'm on the road, I always remind myself that buses like bikes, make far more efficient use of road space than many a single occupancy car.
[quote][p][bold]TERRIER3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too. I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.[/p][/quote]your having a laugh arent you? transdev run decent buses on there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullmans old buses[/p][/quote]Spelling corrections i brackets. (You're) your having a laugh (aren't) arent you? transdev run decent buses on (their) there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullman's old buses. 6/10. And when I'm on the road, I always remind myself that buses like bikes, make far more efficient use of road space than many a single occupancy car. pedalling paul
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9:32am Tue 13 Mar 12

Thetraveller says...

Two suggestions to improve public transport in York:

1. An inter-available day and weekly ticket accepted by all operators within the city;

2. Either a Leeds-style city centre bus linking the shopping and tourist areas with the railway station, or a 50p flat fare on all buses between the station and anywhere within the city walls.

Neither are rocket science - I've written to both the main bus companies in York to suggest them and haven't even had a reply. Maybe CoYC could take the lead and co-ordinate something?
Two suggestions to improve public transport in York: 1. An inter-available day and weekly ticket accepted by all operators within the city; 2. Either a Leeds-style city centre bus linking the shopping and tourist areas with the railway station, or a 50p flat fare on all buses between the station and anywhere within the city walls. Neither are rocket science - I've written to both the main bus companies in York to suggest them and haven't even had a reply. Maybe CoYC could take the lead and co-ordinate something? Thetraveller
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10:24am Tue 13 Mar 12

BioLogic says...

pedalling paul wrote:
TERRIER3 wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
yorkshirelad wrote:
There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too.
I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.
Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.
your having a laugh arent you? transdev run decent buses on there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullmans old buses
Spelling corrections i brackets. (You're) your having a laugh (aren't) arent you? transdev run decent buses on (their) there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullman's old buses.

6/10.

And when I'm on the road, I always remind myself that buses like bikes, make far more efficient use of road space than many a single occupancy car.
It would be interesting to see how much better Fulford road would flow if the busses were taken away and the traffic allowed to flow freely..... my guess it would be significantly better if the buses didn't stop between the designer outlet and Fulford, even if the handful of people that get on between the designer outlet and town were to use a car, god forbid!!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TERRIER3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too. I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.[/p][/quote]your having a laugh arent you? transdev run decent buses on there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullmans old buses[/p][/quote]Spelling corrections i brackets. (You're) your having a laugh (aren't) arent you? transdev run decent buses on (their) there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullman's old buses. 6/10. And when I'm on the road, I always remind myself that buses like bikes, make far more efficient use of road space than many a single occupancy car.[/p][/quote]It would be interesting to see how much better Fulford road would flow if the busses were taken away and the traffic allowed to flow freely..... my guess it would be significantly better if the buses didn't stop between the designer outlet and Fulford, even if the handful of people that get on between the designer outlet and town were to use a car, god forbid!! BioLogic
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10:32am Tue 13 Mar 12

who are ya says...

Why cant the conductors still be used? When I was a lad the double decker buses had conductors. Its a firts York excuse especially on busy routes. I had a leg operation and had to use the bus. I went from Acomb on the number 4 and changed to the number 10. It took 4 hrs to get to Dunnington! I could have driven to London in that time.
Why cant the conductors still be used? When I was a lad the double decker buses had conductors. Its a firts York excuse especially on busy routes. I had a leg operation and had to use the bus. I went from Acomb on the number 4 and changed to the number 10. It took 4 hrs to get to Dunnington! I could have driven to London in that time. who are ya
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10:55am Tue 13 Mar 12

Oaklands Resident says...

What ever the replacement double deckers might be, they certainly aren't NEW as the article suggests. Just look at the registration number.
Very sad day for public transport in York
What ever the replacement double deckers might be, they certainly aren't NEW as the article suggests. Just look at the registration number. Very sad day for public transport in York Oaklands Resident
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10:55am Tue 13 Mar 12

ISeeEverything says...

I suppose everything is relative, but 07 plate buses are not 'new' in the accepted sense of the word.
I suppose everything is relative, but 07 plate buses are not 'new' in the accepted sense of the word. ISeeEverything
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11:53am Tue 13 Mar 12

Happy Chappie says...

07 plate, So what, Are they expected to scrap a 5yr old bus. With a bit more respect from the passengers it could still look relitively new. Cattle truck would be too good for some.
07 plate, So what, Are they expected to scrap a 5yr old bus. With a bit more respect from the passengers it could still look relitively new. Cattle truck would be too good for some. Happy Chappie
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12:27pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Chrido81 says...

Oaklands Resident wrote:
Lonq queues today at stops on the number 4 route. Taking much longer for the driver alone to take fares. Why weren't the conductors retained for a little while at least? The change appears to have coincided with road works starting in the City centre. Not the brightest bit of timetabling by Alexander and co. Many of the changes introduced on the ftr route will be used for years to come. In Cornlands Road everyone appreciates being able to park off the road and the buses (of whatever design) conitnue to benefit from a clear run. Yorkshire lad is right. Any change should have been delayed until the availability of off bus ticket sales had been improved and smartcard readers introduced on NEW buses (not the four year old double deckers running on the number 4 route today).
Oh my god! Who'd have thought it? Drivers taking fares the old fashioned way? I can't imagine how people who use the other routes put up with it!

Face it people, you've lost the FTR, and now you'll have to slum it on the standard buses like the rest of York.
[quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: Lonq queues today at stops on the number 4 route. Taking much longer for the driver alone to take fares. Why weren't the conductors retained for a little while at least? The change appears to have coincided with road works starting in the City centre. Not the brightest bit of timetabling by Alexander and co. Many of the changes introduced on the ftr route will be used for years to come. In Cornlands Road everyone appreciates being able to park off the road and the buses (of whatever design) conitnue to benefit from a clear run. Yorkshire lad is right. Any change should have been delayed until the availability of off bus ticket sales had been improved and smartcard readers introduced on NEW buses (not the four year old double deckers running on the number 4 route today).[/p][/quote]Oh my god! Who'd have thought it? Drivers taking fares the old fashioned way? I can't imagine how people who use the other routes put up with it! Face it people, you've lost the FTR, and now you'll have to slum it on the standard buses like the rest of York. Chrido81
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12:56pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Oaklands Resident wrote:
What ever the replacement double deckers might be, they certainly aren't NEW as the article suggests. Just look at the registration number.
Very sad day for public transport in York
This one spent the last five years trolling around South Yorkshire...
[quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: What ever the replacement double deckers might be, they certainly aren't NEW as the article suggests. Just look at the registration number. Very sad day for public transport in York[/p][/quote]This one spent the last five years trolling around South Yorkshire... Ignatius Lumpopo
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1:28pm Tue 13 Mar 12

TheonlywayisCity says...

So York gets "New" buses? Erm 5 year old buses are not new. Morons
So York gets "New" buses? Erm 5 year old buses are not new. Morons TheonlywayisCity
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1:52pm Tue 13 Mar 12

LibDem says...

Why is The Press illustrating this story with a picture misleadingly implying that an ftr is having difficulty negotiating a mini roundabout?
The roundabout in question isn't even on the number 4 route. It appears to be one of the publicity photos taken during trials on an industrial estate.
It's a bit like using a photograph of a double decker heading towards the Marble Arch bridge on Leeman Road with a caption saying "please mind your head".
Why is The Press illustrating this story with a picture misleadingly implying that an ftr is having difficulty negotiating a mini roundabout? The roundabout in question isn't even on the number 4 route. It appears to be one of the publicity photos taken during trials on an industrial estate. It's a bit like using a photograph of a double decker heading towards the Marble Arch bridge on Leeman Road with a caption saying "please mind your head". LibDem
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1:54pm Tue 13 Mar 12

meme says...

Great buses; just not right for York's small roads
Great buses; just not right for York's small roads meme
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2:04pm Tue 13 Mar 12

runnermatt says...

pedalling paul wrote:
TERRIER3 wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
yorkshirelad wrote: There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too. I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.
Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.
your having a laugh arent you? transdev run decent buses on there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullmans old buses
Spelling corrections i brackets. (You're) your having a laugh (aren't) arent you? transdev run decent buses on (their) there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullman's old buses. 6/10. And when I'm on the road, I always remind myself that buses like bikes, make far more efficient use of road space than many a single occupancy car.
Spelling corrections i brackets

Should that read Spelling corrections in brackets? Or am I just nit picking?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TERRIER3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too. I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.[/p][/quote]your having a laugh arent you? transdev run decent buses on there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullmans old buses[/p][/quote]Spelling corrections i brackets. (You're) your having a laugh (aren't) arent you? transdev run decent buses on (their) there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullman's old buses. 6/10. And when I'm on the road, I always remind myself that buses like bikes, make far more efficient use of road space than many a single occupancy car.[/p][/quote]Spelling corrections i brackets Should that read Spelling corrections in brackets? Or am I just nit picking? runnermatt
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4:23pm Tue 13 Mar 12

sunnysteve says...

What happened to the old red double deckers in the 60's.I travelled every day from Heworth church to York Tech College every day.It was a super service and always on time,"happy days".
What happened to the old red double deckers in the 60's.I travelled every day from Heworth church to York Tech College every day.It was a super service and always on time,"happy days". sunnysteve
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4:48pm Tue 13 Mar 12

PKH says...

pedalling paul wrote:
TERRIER3 wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
yorkshirelad wrote:
There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too.
I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.
Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.
your having a laugh arent you? transdev run decent buses on there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullmans old buses
Spelling corrections i brackets. (You're) your having a laugh (aren't) arent you? transdev run decent buses on (their) there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullman's old buses.

6/10.

And when I'm on the road, I always remind myself that buses like bikes, make far more efficient use of road space than many a single occupancy car.
What about the sightseeing buses trudging around York with only one or two passengers or even empty, they are certainly not more efficient !!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TERRIER3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too. I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.[/p][/quote]your having a laugh arent you? transdev run decent buses on there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullmans old buses[/p][/quote]Spelling corrections i brackets. (You're) your having a laugh (aren't) arent you? transdev run decent buses on (their) there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullman's old buses. 6/10. And when I'm on the road, I always remind myself that buses like bikes, make far more efficient use of road space than many a single occupancy car.[/p][/quote]What about the sightseeing buses trudging around York with only one or two passengers or even empty, they are certainly not more efficient !!!!!!!!! PKH
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5:51pm Tue 13 Mar 12

TERRIER3 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
TERRIER3 wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
yorkshirelad wrote:
There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too.
I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.
Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.
your having a laugh arent you? transdev run decent buses on there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullmans old buses
Spelling corrections i brackets. (You're) your having a laugh (aren't) arent you? transdev run decent buses on (their) there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullman's old buses.

6/10.

And when I'm on the road, I always remind myself that buses like bikes, make far more efficient use of road space than many a single occupancy car.
sorry teacher, i will try to do better in future
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TERRIER3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: There's still a big future for modern high quality buses in York. We still need some brave changes...tickets that allow changes (not just day rovers);getting tickets online and in shops;electronic ticket systems; super-clean both inside and exhaust wise. And perhaps more driven sedately as the best bus drivers already do - the wild acceleration and braking only puts folk off bus use and probably guzzles fuel. Some (I think a minority but it matters) of the drivers could do with being more careful of vulnerable road users too. I was 'so-so' about the FTRs...but we need an efficient modern bus service.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right. York's buses are amongst the oldest of any mainstream bus company operating in a city. The DDs on the number 1 route are now 12 years old and look it. The ticketing is archaic. Paper tickets for over 60s passes ? In some cities you just swipe or pass them over a magic eye. The only nod towards the 21st century is that at some stops, when waiting, drivers turn off their engines. Wow.[/p][/quote]your having a laugh arent you? transdev run decent buses on there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullmans old buses[/p][/quote]Spelling corrections i brackets. (You're) your having a laugh (aren't) arent you? transdev run decent buses on (their) there coastliner services but some of the others are as old if not older than firsts, especially since they took over pullman's old buses. 6/10. And when I'm on the road, I always remind myself that buses like bikes, make far more efficient use of road space than many a single occupancy car.[/p][/quote]sorry teacher, i will try to do better in future TERRIER3
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5:57pm Tue 13 Mar 12

TERRIER3 says...

Thetraveller wrote:
Two suggestions to improve public transport in York:

1. An inter-available day and weekly ticket accepted by all operators within the city;

2. Either a Leeds-style city centre bus linking the shopping and tourist areas with the railway station, or a 50p flat fare on all buses between the station and anywhere within the city walls.

Neither are rocket science - I've written to both the main bus companies in York to suggest them and haven't even had a reply. Maybe CoYC could take the lead and co-ordinate something?
tickets that would be available on ALL buses would have to be funded by COYC, and that would come out of the taxpayers money. why would First accept a transdev ticket when first have not recieved any money for it? thats like going to burger king with a mcdonalds voucher and expecting them to take the voucher....i dont think so do you?
[quote][p][bold]Thetraveller[/bold] wrote: Two suggestions to improve public transport in York: 1. An inter-available day and weekly ticket accepted by all operators within the city; 2. Either a Leeds-style city centre bus linking the shopping and tourist areas with the railway station, or a 50p flat fare on all buses between the station and anywhere within the city walls. Neither are rocket science - I've written to both the main bus companies in York to suggest them and haven't even had a reply. Maybe CoYC could take the lead and co-ordinate something?[/p][/quote]tickets that would be available on ALL buses would have to be funded by COYC, and that would come out of the taxpayers money. why would First accept a transdev ticket when first have not recieved any money for it? thats like going to burger king with a mcdonalds voucher and expecting them to take the voucher....i dont think so do you? TERRIER3
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6:17pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Texas66 says...

LibDem wrote:
Why is The Press illustrating this story with a picture misleadingly implying that an ftr is having difficulty negotiating a mini roundabout?
The roundabout in question isn't even on the number 4 route. It appears to be one of the publicity photos taken during trials on an industrial estate.
It's a bit like using a photograph of a double decker heading towards the Marble Arch bridge on Leeman Road with a caption saying "please mind your head".
I think the picture is the roundabout where Acomb Green meets Acomb Road (rear of Superdrug).
[quote][p][bold]LibDem[/bold] wrote: Why is The Press illustrating this story with a picture misleadingly implying that an ftr is having difficulty negotiating a mini roundabout? The roundabout in question isn't even on the number 4 route. It appears to be one of the publicity photos taken during trials on an industrial estate. It's a bit like using a photograph of a double decker heading towards the Marble Arch bridge on Leeman Road with a caption saying "please mind your head".[/p][/quote]I think the picture is the roundabout where Acomb Green meets Acomb Road (rear of Superdrug). Texas66
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6:39pm Tue 13 Mar 12

PKH says...

Oaklands Resident wrote:
Lonq queues today at stops on the number 4 route. Taking much longer for the driver alone to take fares. Why weren't the conductors retained for a little while at least?
The change appears to have coincided with road works starting in the City centre. Not the brightest bit of timetabling by Alexander and co.
Many of the changes introduced on the ftr route will be used for years to come. In Cornlands Road everyone appreciates being able to park off the road and the buses (of whatever design) conitnue to benefit from a clear run.
Yorkshire lad is right. Any change should have been delayed until the availability of off bus ticket sales had been improved and smartcard readers introduced on NEW buses (not the four year old double deckers running on the number 4 route today).
That is what the FTR was supposed to have but the technology did not work which is why they ended up with a 'host' sorry conductor
[quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: Lonq queues today at stops on the number 4 route. Taking much longer for the driver alone to take fares. Why weren't the conductors retained for a little while at least? The change appears to have coincided with road works starting in the City centre. Not the brightest bit of timetabling by Alexander and co. Many of the changes introduced on the ftr route will be used for years to come. In Cornlands Road everyone appreciates being able to park off the road and the buses (of whatever design) conitnue to benefit from a clear run. Yorkshire lad is right. Any change should have been delayed until the availability of off bus ticket sales had been improved and smartcard readers introduced on NEW buses (not the four year old double deckers running on the number 4 route today).[/p][/quote]That is what the FTR was supposed to have but the technology did not work which is why they ended up with a 'host' sorry conductor PKH
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12:24am Wed 14 Mar 12

missing hamster says...

arglemcgee wrote:
I rarely used the ftr because from Acomb the Number 1 bus is much, much faster. Even if you're going all the way to the university, you're better off taking the Number 1 to the station and transferring there to the 4. That saves at least 20 minutes, because the 4 meanders back and forth, often going in the opposite direction to town, until it finally reaches Tadcaster Road and goes in a reasonably straight line. I suspect this problem won't be fixed with the different buses...
Perhaps the number 4 route is designed so the bus can take people from Foxwood and Dringhouses into the city centre? When I was young (20 years ago) this bus did not even extend to Acomb. The route is only a 'problem' if you are arrogant enough to believe that where you live is the centre of the universe.
[quote][p][bold]arglemcgee[/bold] wrote: I rarely used the ftr because from Acomb the Number 1 bus is much, much faster. Even if you're going all the way to the university, you're better off taking the Number 1 to the station and transferring there to the 4. That saves at least 20 minutes, because the 4 meanders back and forth, often going in the opposite direction to town, until it finally reaches Tadcaster Road and goes in a reasonably straight line. I suspect this problem won't be fixed with the different buses...[/p][/quote]Perhaps the number 4 route is designed so the bus can take people from Foxwood and Dringhouses into the city centre? When I was young (20 years ago) this bus did not even extend to Acomb. The route is only a 'problem' if you are arrogant enough to believe that where you live is the centre of the universe. missing hamster
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3:03am Wed 14 Mar 12

Magicman! says...

TheonlywayisCity wrote:
So York gets "New" buses? Erm 5 year old buses are not new. Morons
They're the same age as the FTR's they replaced.
The ex-Rotherham buses (which still have south yorks adverts on the back!) have had to be rushed into service as First didn't want FTRs trying to go up and down Coppergate what with Clifford Street being closed to stopping buses.
CCTV isn't working on them yet, and one's going round with a duff destination display, both issues are known about - there was also a double decker that failed in service today.

The number 4 route in acomb has run that run since I was a nipper (over 25 years ago), the only difference being back then the buses wer Bristol VR and Leyland Olympian double deckers, of which parents actually had to fold down buggies to put them on the luggage rack - something modern parents don't seem to be able to do on any form of public transport now.

Take away the garnish, and the FTR was the exact same bus as the ex-bradford bendybuses we had on the park and ride before the silver Mercedes ones came along - the bus itself being a Volvo B7LA. Wrightbus, who makes the same bus bodies as those ex-bradford artics, has had hardly any orders for those type of artics, with companies preferring the type based on a Scania chassis... the Volvo B7 is quite a poor bus when compared to the B10 (for single deckers, like the older ones Coastliner used to run to whitby when the buses were blue and cream coloured) or the Olympian (Like the double deckers in York Pullman livery that go to the university)... the engines on the B7 and especially the FTR were underpowered and so were in high revs too often; the FTR body was very heavy so the vehicles barely got above 4mpg; there was not enough insulation around the engine so engine noise was an issue on the FTRs; suspension was too hard; Volvo's stupid sideways engine on the B7 series meant less seats at the back, and also due to not enough insulation that back section got uncomfortably hot in the summer; then some bright spark decided to put a luggage rack on top of the engine cabinet at the back (had the bus stopped suddenly any bags on it would become projectiles, and then any heat from the engine could melt the bags/contents); but the main problem being that the length of the bus didn't add up to how few seats there were (the double deckers have double the seats of the FTRs) and most of the seats were on pedestals so the FTRs were never fully low floor. The FTR looked nice, but that was about it.
Now if we got buses like what Harrogate and District run on the 36, then you'd be on the right track for a quality improvement! Transdev are now running their concept bus on the Lancashire Way between Blackburn and Manchester... full leather seating (with 1 + 2 seating upstairs rather than the normal 2 + 2), and group seats with tables at the back downstairs, realtime info, air conditioning, rebuilt engine and major components etc etc... only thing that'd make it even better would be free wi-fi.

By the way, York's FTR's are going to leeds to operate the 72 between Leeds and Bradford, replacing double deckers!
[quote][p][bold]TheonlywayisCity[/bold] wrote: So York gets "New" buses? Erm 5 year old buses are not new. Morons[/p][/quote]They're the same age as the FTR's they replaced. The ex-Rotherham buses (which still have south yorks adverts on the back!) have had to be rushed into service as First didn't want FTRs trying to go up and down Coppergate what with Clifford Street being closed to stopping buses. CCTV isn't working on them yet, and one's going round with a duff destination display, both issues are known about - there was also a double decker that failed in service today. The number 4 route in acomb has run that run since I was a nipper (over 25 years ago), the only difference being back then the buses wer Bristol VR and Leyland Olympian double deckers, of which parents actually had to fold down buggies to put them on the luggage rack - something modern parents don't seem to be able to do on any form of public transport now. Take away the garnish, and the FTR was the exact same bus as the ex-bradford bendybuses we had on the park and ride before the silver Mercedes ones came along - the bus itself being a Volvo B7LA. Wrightbus, who makes the same bus bodies as those ex-bradford artics, has had hardly any orders for those type of artics, with companies preferring the type based on a Scania chassis... the Volvo B7 is quite a poor bus when compared to the B10 (for single deckers, like the older ones Coastliner used to run to whitby when the buses were blue and cream coloured) or the Olympian (Like the double deckers in York Pullman livery that go to the university)... the engines on the B7 and especially the FTR were underpowered and so were in high revs too often; the FTR body was very heavy so the vehicles barely got above 4mpg; there was not enough insulation around the engine so engine noise was an issue on the FTRs; suspension was too hard; Volvo's stupid sideways engine on the B7 series meant less seats at the back, and also due to not enough insulation that back section got uncomfortably hot in the summer; then some bright spark decided to put a luggage rack on top of the engine cabinet at the back (had the bus stopped suddenly any bags on it would become projectiles, and then any heat from the engine could melt the bags/contents); but the main problem being that the length of the bus didn't add up to how few seats there were (the double deckers have double the seats of the FTRs) and most of the seats were on pedestals so the FTRs were never fully low floor. The FTR looked nice, but that was about it. Now if we got buses like what Harrogate and District run on the 36, then you'd be on the right track for a quality improvement! Transdev are now running their concept bus on the Lancashire Way between Blackburn and Manchester... full leather seating (with 1 + 2 seating upstairs rather than the normal 2 + 2), and group seats with tables at the back downstairs, realtime info, air conditioning, rebuilt engine and major components etc etc... only thing that'd make it even better would be free wi-fi. By the way, York's FTR's are going to leeds to operate the 72 between Leeds and Bradford, replacing double deckers! Magicman!
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10:35am Wed 14 Mar 12

mjgyork says...

Good riddence to FTR. How many cyclists were injured by this experiment? Why are we still using money on buses? I cannot beleive that we need lessons in how to run a transport system from the Italians? Their bus computer system works, why did not Firsts? Answers in green ink to First buses!
Good riddence to FTR. How many cyclists were injured by this experiment? Why are we still using money on buses? I cannot beleive that we need lessons in how to run a transport system from the Italians? Their bus computer system works, why did not Firsts? Answers in green ink to First buses! mjgyork
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10:44am Wed 14 Mar 12

SuperChris says...

Keepthewheelsturning wrote:
The fact that there is no cctv working on them, should be a concern.
yes it does work
[quote][p][bold]Keepthewheelsturning[/bold] wrote: The fact that there is no cctv working on them, should be a concern.[/p][/quote]yes it does work SuperChris
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4:55pm Wed 14 Mar 12

wildthing666 says...

i saw one in Walmgate this afternoon, didn't notice if it had passengers on it but it was at the lights at Walmgate bar.
i saw one in Walmgate this afternoon, didn't notice if it had passengers on it but it was at the lights at Walmgate bar. wildthing666
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5:40pm Wed 14 Mar 12

powerwatt says...

LibDem wrote:
Why is The Press illustrating this story with a picture misleadingly implying that an ftr is having difficulty negotiating a mini roundabout?
The roundabout in question isn't even on the number 4 route. It appears to be one of the publicity photos taken during trials on an industrial estate.
It's a bit like using a photograph of a double decker heading towards the Marble Arch bridge on Leeman Road with a caption saying "please mind your head".
You should know that that is the Acomb roundabout.
[quote][p][bold]LibDem[/bold] wrote: Why is The Press illustrating this story with a picture misleadingly implying that an ftr is having difficulty negotiating a mini roundabout? The roundabout in question isn't even on the number 4 route. It appears to be one of the publicity photos taken during trials on an industrial estate. It's a bit like using a photograph of a double decker heading towards the Marble Arch bridge on Leeman Road with a caption saying "please mind your head".[/p][/quote]You should know that that is the Acomb roundabout. powerwatt
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9:30pm Wed 14 Mar 12

The Analyst says...

This is without a doubt, the best news I have read all day! I for one will not miss the stupid traffic congesting barges - good riddance! They were far too big for our roads!
This is without a doubt, the best news I have read all day! I for one will not miss the stupid traffic congesting barges - good riddance! They were far too big for our roads! The Analyst
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6:46am Thu 15 Mar 12

Dave345 says...

worst buses ever I remember when they first got them prices went up then you needed exact change for machine which meant they had to employ conductors laughable how stupid whoever thought these were a good idea is maybe the loss of conductors will reduce fares but i highly doubt it
worst buses ever I remember when they first got them prices went up then you needed exact change for machine which meant they had to employ conductors laughable how stupid whoever thought these were a good idea is maybe the loss of conductors will reduce fares but i highly doubt it Dave345
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5:33pm Fri 16 Mar 12

daveyboy25 says...

they are like marmite you love em or you hate em. the nearly killed cyclist must of been dreaming as ftrs dont work on sundays as for the rest of you they are not coming back so get over it those happy keep smiling for those that will miss them shed a tear and move on
they are like marmite you love em or you hate em. the nearly killed cyclist must of been dreaming as ftrs dont work on sundays as for the rest of you they are not coming back so get over it those happy keep smiling for those that will miss them shed a tear and move on daveyboy25
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4:25pm Sun 18 Mar 12

hull_road says...

Well, some of the miserable surly drivers could do with being sent on their way along with the bendy buses. Some (not all) are rude, unhelpful, unfriendly: snapping 'sit' at oaps as if they are dogs - what a disgrace. No wonder the university withdrew its support and handed the subsidy to Pullmann (the 44).
Well, some of the miserable surly drivers could do with being sent on their way along with the bendy buses. Some (not all) are rude, unhelpful, unfriendly: snapping 'sit' at oaps as if they are dogs - what a disgrace. No wonder the university withdrew its support and handed the subsidy to Pullmann (the 44). hull_road
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11:29am Mon 19 Mar 12

LibDem says...

powerwatt wrote:
LibDem wrote:
Why is The Press illustrating this story with a picture misleadingly implying that an ftr is having difficulty negotiating a mini roundabout?
The roundabout in question isn't even on the number 4 route. It appears to be one of the publicity photos taken during trials on an industrial estate.
It's a bit like using a photograph of a double decker heading towards the Marble Arch bridge on Leeman Road with a caption saying "please mind your head".
You should know that that is the Acomb roundabout.
I don't think so. The number 4 follows a one way anti-clockwise loop through Acomb village.

More to the point, First and the Council, need now to issue an authoritive statement indicating how long the conductors/hosts will be used on the double deck service (they are easing loading times) and how many vehicles have been allocated to replace the 11 ftrs that have now gone?

What has happened to the plan to introduce low emission buses into the City?
[quote][p][bold]powerwatt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LibDem[/bold] wrote: Why is The Press illustrating this story with a picture misleadingly implying that an ftr is having difficulty negotiating a mini roundabout? The roundabout in question isn't even on the number 4 route. It appears to be one of the publicity photos taken during trials on an industrial estate. It's a bit like using a photograph of a double decker heading towards the Marble Arch bridge on Leeman Road with a caption saying "please mind your head".[/p][/quote]You should know that that is the Acomb roundabout.[/p][/quote]I don't think so. The number 4 follows a one way anti-clockwise loop through Acomb village. More to the point, First and the Council, need now to issue an authoritive statement indicating how long the conductors/hosts will be used on the double deck service (they are easing loading times) and how many vehicles have been allocated to replace the 11 ftrs that have now gone? What has happened to the plan to introduce low emission buses into the City? LibDem
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