Cyclist stages one-man protest in front of bus in Piccadilly, York

A cyclist stages one-man protest in front of a bus in Piccadilly. Picture by Tim Stark

A cyclist stages one-man protest in front of a bus in Piccadilly. Picture by Tim Stark

First published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , Chief reporter

A CYCLIST blocked a York city centre street today when he staged a one-man protest in front of a Park & Ride bus.

The cyclist blocked the bus’s progress in Piccadilly for at least five minutes, causing a traffic jam to build up behind, said eyewitness Tim Stark, who took this photograph.

He said the rider was engaged in an argument with the driver of the bus, which was carrying passengers from the Designer Outlet at Fulford. Neither the cyclist’s identity nor the reason for his protest is known.

A spokesman for bus operator First said he understood that the cyclist had been weaving through traffic when the bus pulled out after indicating.

He said the cyclist went past and then stopped in front of the bus, halting its progress.

He said the company was not aware of the reasons for the cyclist's actions, but felt they were dangerous.

*Are you the cyclist – and would you like to explain why you staged the protest? Contact Mike Laycock on 01904 567132 or email mike.laycock@thepress.co.uk

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12:42pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

What an idiot. Not because he stopped the bus but because he seems to think the driver will be able to hear him through the windscreen. Pretty typical of a lot of cyclists really - treating the rest of us as an nuisance. Why inconvenience all those bus passengers? Arrogant cyclists like this seem to forget we're all equal participants in the same world.
What an idiot. Not because he stopped the bus but because he seems to think the driver will be able to hear him through the windscreen. Pretty typical of a lot of cyclists really - treating the rest of us as an nuisance. Why inconvenience all those bus passengers? Arrogant cyclists like this seem to forget we're all equal participants in the same world. Ignatius Lumpopo
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12:42pm Fri 14 Jan 11

The Countess says...

Come on PP, what have you been up to now
Come on PP, what have you been up to now The Countess
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12:43pm Fri 14 Jan 11

oldgoat says...

Neither the cyclist’s identity nor the reason for his protest is not known.

Sorry, what?
This is a triple negative. I think.

This is also utter non-news at its finest, since there is nothing to report. Certainly less than the traffic jam on Monday evening when that FTR crashed into another bus on Coppergate and caused some serious holdups for a while!
[quote]Neither the cyclist’s identity nor the reason for his protest is not known. [/quote] Sorry, what? This is a triple negative. I think. This is also utter non-news at its finest, since there is nothing to report. Certainly less than the traffic jam on Monday evening when that FTR crashed into another bus on Coppergate and caused some serious holdups for a while! oldgoat
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12:43pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Punkster says...

"Neither the cyclist’s identity nor the reason for his protest is not known."

Er, so he is known then!
"Neither the cyclist’s identity nor the reason for his protest is not known." Er, so he is known then! Punkster
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12:47pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Mr Udigawa says...

Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.
Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64. Mr Udigawa
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12:52pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Pete the Brickie says...

This is better than a guess the caption game. I think it is pedalling paul, he has just come out of M & S having bought some knickers and has some time to kill so he is talking to the bus driver about trains, LTP's and sustainable something or other. The bus driver would not normally listen to such drivel but is fascinated by the strange two wheeled object pp is pushing as, as a cyclist myself I know he has never bloody seen one before.
This is better than a guess the caption game. I think it is pedalling paul, he has just come out of M & S having bought some knickers and has some time to kill so he is talking to the bus driver about trains, LTP's and sustainable something or other. The bus driver would not normally listen to such drivel but is fascinated by the strange two wheeled object pp is pushing as, as a cyclist myself I know he has never bloody seen one before. Pete the Brickie
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12:59pm Fri 14 Jan 11

ndevr says...

why didn't the bus driver just drive at that selfish person ok First York bus drivers aren't my favourite people but why did this person seem it necessary to bring others into the quarrel?, Where were the police? and what if an emergency service vehicle wanted to get by? would he have moved his bike?, why didn't anyone go and ask the man or try to move him
why didn't the bus driver just drive at that selfish person ok First York bus drivers aren't my favourite people but why did this person seem it necessary to bring others into the quarrel?, Where were the police? and what if an emergency service vehicle wanted to get by? would he have moved his bike?, why didn't anyone go and ask the man or try to move him ndevr
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1:01pm Fri 14 Jan 11

nasrudin says...

Well done that man! Surprised that the bus driver couldn't hear him, sounds pretty dangerous to me if he can't hear anything in his cab...?

Any non-cyclists who don't get why this man might be protesting should try cycling in town for a couple of weeks and see how you feel then.
Well done that man! Surprised that the bus driver couldn't hear him, sounds pretty dangerous to me if he can't hear anything in his cab...? Any non-cyclists who don't get why this man might be protesting should try cycling in town for a couple of weeks and see how you feel then. nasrudin
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1:15pm Fri 14 Jan 11

alfie says...

rudy cyclists they are out of control, holding up bus's, mugging people, causing a terrible smell in rawcliffe and terrorising the elderly they must be stopped.
rudy cyclists they are out of control, holding up bus's, mugging people, causing a terrible smell in rawcliffe and terrorising the elderly they must be stopped. alfie
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1:18pm Fri 14 Jan 11

nasrudin says...

@alfie

:)
@alfie :) nasrudin
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1:22pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Stelvio says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
What an idiot. Not because he stopped the bus but because he seems to think the driver will be able to hear him through the windscreen. Pretty typical of a lot of cyclists really - treating the rest of us as an nuisance. Why inconvenience all those bus passengers? Arrogant cyclists like this seem to forget we're all equal participants in the same world.
You are kidding right? I am absolutely certain that there many times more arrogant car drivers "who pay their road tax" endangering other road users and pedestrians than cyclists.

To be honest those who bash the cycling community - the majority of whom are law abiding people - are just a bit tiresome....

security word "lead-town" about sums it up really? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: What an idiot. Not because he stopped the bus but because he seems to think the driver will be able to hear him through the windscreen. Pretty typical of a lot of cyclists really - treating the rest of us as an nuisance. Why inconvenience all those bus passengers? Arrogant cyclists like this seem to forget we're all equal participants in the same world.[/p][/quote]You are kidding right? I am absolutely certain that there many times more arrogant car drivers "who pay their road tax" endangering other road users and pedestrians than cyclists. To be honest those who bash the cycling community - the majority of whom are law abiding people - are just a bit tiresome.... security word "lead-town" about sums it up really? ;-) Stelvio
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1:32pm Fri 14 Jan 11

David of York says...

York's answer to the Tiananmen Square protests.
York's answer to the Tiananmen Square protests. David of York
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1:39pm Fri 14 Jan 11

level-headed says...

Completely unneccesary! He was already looking ridiculous with his man bag and comedy back wheel, without adding to it.......... :-D
Completely unneccesary! He was already looking ridiculous with his man bag and comedy back wheel, without adding to it.......... :-D level-headed
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1:41pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Jennifer Hunter says...

It's probably 'Pedalling Paul' who has become bored of verbally abusing and insulting tobacco smokers and has now turned his attention towards vehicle fumes criminals!!! :)
It's probably 'Pedalling Paul' who has become bored of verbally abusing and insulting tobacco smokers and has now turned his attention towards vehicle fumes criminals!!! :) Jennifer Hunter
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1:42pm Fri 14 Jan 11

sheddie says...

Front wheel, surely?
Front wheel, surely? sheddie
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1:42pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Ihudson says...

What a story!! This is probably the biggest thing to hit York since the last floods or the snow!! I feel so sorry for the cyclist, I know just what those nasty buses can be like. I think First York should compensate the man, how about a years free bus pass!!
What a story!! This is probably the biggest thing to hit York since the last floods or the snow!! I feel so sorry for the cyclist, I know just what those nasty buses can be like. I think First York should compensate the man, how about a years free bus pass!! Ihudson
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1:47pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Bigwood says...

Stelvio, I couldn't agree more!
As both a cyclist and car owner I find the attitude of some drivers towards cyclists dreadful, especially some of the First York bus drivers. I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been run over by the FTR buses on Tadcaster Road!
I was cycling down there the other day and a First bus had cut the corner coming off the Tesco roundabout and smashed the traffic light down, thats professional driving for you!
Stelvio, I couldn't agree more! As both a cyclist and car owner I find the attitude of some drivers towards cyclists dreadful, especially some of the First York bus drivers. I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been run over by the FTR buses on Tadcaster Road! I was cycling down there the other day and a First bus had cut the corner coming off the Tesco roundabout and smashed the traffic light down, thats professional driving for you! Bigwood
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1:49pm Fri 14 Jan 11

whatsnormal says...

I had some of those comedy wheels stolen about a year ago, who is that man!
I had some of those comedy wheels stolen about a year ago, who is that man! whatsnormal
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2:06pm Fri 14 Jan 11

BioLogic says...

Pete the Brickie wrote:
This is better than a guess the caption game. I think it is pedalling paul, he has just come out of M & S having bought some knickers and has some time to kill so he is talking to the bus driver about trains, LTP's and sustainable something or other. The bus driver would not normally listen to such drivel but is fascinated by the strange two wheeled object pp is pushing as, as a cyclist myself I know he has never bloody seen one before.
He has just come out of M&S having bought some knickers....... and he thought he better get them in a twist......?
[quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: This is better than a guess the caption game. I think it is pedalling paul, he has just come out of M & S having bought some knickers and has some time to kill so he is talking to the bus driver about trains, LTP's and sustainable something or other. The bus driver would not normally listen to such drivel but is fascinated by the strange two wheeled object pp is pushing as, as a cyclist myself I know he has never bloody seen one before.[/p][/quote]He has just come out of M&S having bought some knickers....... and he thought he better get them in a twist......? BioLogic
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2:36pm Fri 14 Jan 11

piemagico says...

Flaming Nora. If this is what the Chief Reporter covers, what are the juniors up to?
Flaming Nora. If this is what the Chief Reporter covers, what are the juniors up to? piemagico
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2:37pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Mike Hock1 says...

some great comments on here!!! its funny how pp hasnt commented yet?? what a life it must be been an evening press reporter just sit around all day, writing about complete rubbish and topics which have no or little relevence....
some great comments on here!!! its funny how pp hasnt commented yet?? what a life it must be been an evening press reporter just sit around all day, writing about complete rubbish and topics which have no or little relevence.... Mike Hock1
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2:43pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Mr Udigawa says...

These bloody Cyclists make my blood boil, we provide them with a brand new Cycling Hub a few hundred yards from there & still they feel the need to park their bikes wherever they please, in this case in front of a bus full of Carbon Neutral bus passengers.
Remove the Cycling Hub immediately
These bloody Cyclists make my blood boil, we provide them with a brand new Cycling Hub a few hundred yards from there & still they feel the need to park their bikes wherever they please, in this case in front of a bus full of Carbon Neutral bus passengers. Remove the Cycling Hub immediately Mr Udigawa
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2:48pm Fri 14 Jan 11

rustychain says...

Good on him!!!

Some of the First York drivers treat cyclists with an unhealthy degree of contempt.

I'd like to think I follow the rules of the road (bike lights, stoping at red etc), but I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been taken out by FY drivers. Like the lad in the picture, I've also stopped the odd bus in this way. A few minutes delay is much better than the delay and heartache that would result following a fatality.

In other European countries, the driver is considered at fault if they hit a cyclist, pretty much regardless of circumstances. The sooner such legislation gets introduced here the better. It's the only way I can see drivers attitudes being changed....

I think I know the ID of the cyclist due to his unique looking bike, but I'm not going to identify him on here - I wouldn't be suprised if the rozzers tried to prosecute him for some offence or other and let the bus driver off scott free.
Good on him!!! Some of the First York drivers treat cyclists with an unhealthy degree of contempt. I'd like to think I follow the rules of the road (bike lights, stoping at red etc), but I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been taken out by FY drivers. Like the lad in the picture, I've also stopped the odd bus in this way. A few minutes delay is much better than the delay and heartache that would result following a fatality. In other European countries, the driver is considered at fault if they hit a cyclist, pretty much regardless of circumstances. The sooner such legislation gets introduced here the better. It's the only way I can see drivers attitudes being changed.... I think I know the ID of the cyclist due to his unique looking bike, but I'm not going to identify him on here - I wouldn't be suprised if the rozzers tried to prosecute him for some offence or other and let the bus driver off scott free. rustychain
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2:56pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Thisisnotasmile says...

rustychain wrote:
Good on him!!!

Some of the First York drivers treat cyclists with an unhealthy degree of contempt.

I'd like to think I follow the rules of the road (bike lights, stoping at red etc), but I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been taken out by FY drivers. Like the lad in the picture, I've also stopped the odd bus in this way. A few minutes delay is much better than the delay and heartache that would result following a fatality.

In other European countries, the driver is considered at fault if they hit a cyclist, pretty much regardless of circumstances. The sooner such legislation gets introduced here the better. It's the only way I can see drivers attitudes being changed....

I think I know the ID of the cyclist due to his unique looking bike, but I'm not going to identify him on here - I wouldn't be suprised if the rozzers tried to prosecute him for some offence or other and let the bus driver off scott free.
Sorry, what? Why shouldn't the bus driver get off scott free? From what I can see, the bus driver is driving a bus and some imbecile is standing in the middle of the road in front of him with a bike. What do you suggest the bus driver should be charged with?
[quote][p][bold]rustychain[/bold] wrote: Good on him!!! Some of the First York drivers treat cyclists with an unhealthy degree of contempt. I'd like to think I follow the rules of the road (bike lights, stoping at red etc), but I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been taken out by FY drivers. Like the lad in the picture, I've also stopped the odd bus in this way. A few minutes delay is much better than the delay and heartache that would result following a fatality. In other European countries, the driver is considered at fault if they hit a cyclist, pretty much regardless of circumstances. The sooner such legislation gets introduced here the better. It's the only way I can see drivers attitudes being changed.... I think I know the ID of the cyclist due to his unique looking bike, but I'm not going to identify him on here - I wouldn't be suprised if the rozzers tried to prosecute him for some offence or other and let the bus driver off scott free.[/p][/quote]Sorry, what? Why shouldn't the bus driver get off scott free? From what I can see, the bus driver is driving a bus and some imbecile is standing in the middle of the road in front of him with a bike. What do you suggest the bus driver should be charged with? Thisisnotasmile
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3:00pm Fri 14 Jan 11

pedalling paul says...

Always two sides to every story. The bus driver will need to be interviewed by his employer and perhaps NY police. Also the cyclist if identifiable. I will not speculate either way, in case prosecution ensues.
Always two sides to every story. The bus driver will need to be interviewed by his employer and perhaps NY police. Also the cyclist if identifiable. I will not speculate either way, in case prosecution ensues. pedalling paul
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3:00pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Aunt Dess says...

Mike Hock1 wrote:
some great comments on here!!! its funny how pp hasnt commented yet?? what a life it must be been an evening press reporter just sit around all day, writing about complete rubbish and topics which have no or little relevence....
But unlike you Mike, the other Mike gets paid for it ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Mike Hock1[/bold] wrote: some great comments on here!!! its funny how pp hasnt commented yet?? what a life it must be been an evening press reporter just sit around all day, writing about complete rubbish and topics which have no or little relevence....[/p][/quote]But unlike you Mike, the other Mike gets paid for it ;-) Aunt Dess
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3:02pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Soothsayer17 says...

oldgoat wrote:
Neither the cyclist’s identity nor the reason for his protest is not known.
Sorry, what? This is a triple negative. I think. This is also utter non-news at its finest, since there is nothing to report. Certainly less than the traffic jam on Monday evening when that FTR crashed into another bus on Coppergate and caused some serious holdups for a while!
Moan, moan, f***ing moan.
.
Change the record or find another site.
[quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: [quote]Neither the cyclist’s identity nor the reason for his protest is not known. [/quote] Sorry, what? This is a triple negative. I think. This is also utter non-news at its finest, since there is nothing to report. Certainly less than the traffic jam on Monday evening when that FTR crashed into another bus on Coppergate and caused some serious holdups for a while![/p][/quote]Moan, moan, f***ing moan. . Change the record or find another site. Soothsayer17
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3:05pm Fri 14 Jan 11

councilsconscience says...

Mr Udigawa wrote:
Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.
I'll bid 65 comments but 64 of them will come from the same 4 people!!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.[/p][/quote]I'll bid 65 comments but 64 of them will come from the same 4 people!! councilsconscience
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3:08pm Fri 14 Jan 11

spiritofyork says...

I like his wheel.

That is all. Carry on hate-mongerers...
I like his wheel. That is all. Carry on hate-mongerers... spiritofyork
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3:08pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Mr Udigawa says...

councilsconscience wrote:
Mr Udigawa wrote: Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.
I'll bid 65 comments but 64 of them will come from the same 4 people!!
You're right, I'll try not to bump them up.
[quote][p][bold]councilsconscience[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.[/p][/quote]I'll bid 65 comments but 64 of them will come from the same 4 people!![/p][/quote]You're right, I'll try not to bump them up. Mr Udigawa
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3:08pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Bill Obviouslymadeupname says...

This is definitely news worthy as it's the only time a First York bus driver has seen a cyclist and stopped for them!
This is definitely news worthy as it's the only time a First York bus driver has seen a cyclist and stopped for them! Bill Obviouslymadeupname
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3:10pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Mr Udigawa says...

Mr Udigawa wrote:
councilsconscience wrote:
Mr Udigawa wrote: Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.
I'll bid 65 comments but 64 of them will come from the same 4 people!!
You're right, I'll try not to bump them up.
Artificially ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]councilsconscience[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.[/p][/quote]I'll bid 65 comments but 64 of them will come from the same 4 people!![/p][/quote]You're right, I'll try not to bump them up.[/p][/quote]Artificially ;-) Mr Udigawa
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3:13pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Woody Mellor says...

I hate motorists when I'm on my bike!
I hate cyclists when I'm in my car!
I hate motorists when I'm on my bike! I hate cyclists when I'm in my car! Woody Mellor
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3:13pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Littlepoo says...

David of York wrote:
York's answer to the Tiananmen Square protests.
Love it!!!!
[quote][p][bold]David of York[/bold] wrote: York's answer to the Tiananmen Square protests.[/p][/quote]Love it!!!! Littlepoo
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3:19pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Lineker's Lad says...

I seem to end up with this clown in front of me most days when I drive into York.
I seem to end up with this clown in front of me most days when I drive into York. Lineker's Lad
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3:20pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Mr Udigawa says...

Woody Mellor wrote:
I hate motorists when I'm on my bike! I hate cyclists when I'm in my car!
What about when you're sat on a bus on Picadilly?
[quote][p][bold]Woody Mellor[/bold] wrote: I hate motorists when I'm on my bike! I hate cyclists when I'm in my car![/p][/quote]What about when you're sat on a bus on Picadilly? Mr Udigawa
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3:46pm Fri 14 Jan 11

nasrudin says...

"This is definitely news worthy as it's the only time a First York bus driver has seen a cyclist and stopped for them!"

Best. Comment. Ever.

:D
"This is definitely news worthy as it's the only time a First York bus driver has seen a cyclist and stopped for them!" Best. Comment. Ever. :D nasrudin
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4:02pm Fri 14 Jan 11

ndevr says...

rustychain wrote:
Good on him!!!

Some of the First York drivers treat cyclists with an unhealthy degree of contempt.

I'd like to think I follow the rules of the road (bike lights, stoping at red etc), but I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been taken out by FY drivers. Like the lad in the picture, I've also stopped the odd bus in this way. A few minutes delay is much better than the delay and heartache that would result following a fatality.

In other European countries, the driver is considered at fault if they hit a cyclist, pretty much regardless of circumstances. The sooner such legislation gets introduced here the better. It's the only way I can see drivers attitudes being changed....

I think I know the ID of the cyclist due to his unique looking bike, but I'm not going to identify him on here - I wouldn't be suprised if the rozzers tried to prosecute him for some offence or other and let the bus driver off scott free.
Isn't obstruction of the highway an offence?.
[quote][p][bold]rustychain[/bold] wrote: Good on him!!! Some of the First York drivers treat cyclists with an unhealthy degree of contempt. I'd like to think I follow the rules of the road (bike lights, stoping at red etc), but I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been taken out by FY drivers. Like the lad in the picture, I've also stopped the odd bus in this way. A few minutes delay is much better than the delay and heartache that would result following a fatality. In other European countries, the driver is considered at fault if they hit a cyclist, pretty much regardless of circumstances. The sooner such legislation gets introduced here the better. It's the only way I can see drivers attitudes being changed.... I think I know the ID of the cyclist due to his unique looking bike, but I'm not going to identify him on here - I wouldn't be suprised if the rozzers tried to prosecute him for some offence or other and let the bus driver off scott free.[/p][/quote]Isn't obstruction of the highway an offence?. ndevr
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4:39pm Fri 14 Jan 11

mr york says...

Yet another fruitcake cyclist who thinks he owns the roads.....Every day i have to dodge them because they have no lights ,brakes,brain ect..They have caused damage to my car and simply rode way shouting abuse. Isnt it about time the police clamped down on these freeloaders of our roads ?
Or is it because they are simply above the law as they belive they are ?
Yet another fruitcake cyclist who thinks he owns the roads.....Every day i have to dodge them because they have no lights ,brakes,brain ect..They have caused damage to my car and simply rode way shouting abuse. Isnt it about time the police clamped down on these freeloaders of our roads ? Or is it because they are simply above the law as they belive they are ? mr york
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4:49pm Fri 14 Jan 11

nasrudin says...

@mr york

I've never had a problem with cyclists when I drive in York: perhaps it's the way you drive if you experience it every day?

Walking through the city centre during the day however, yes, at times I'd like a stick to poke through the front spokes... Ditto at red traffic lights. Having said that, I think you've got to differentiate between "most cyclists", (including most commuters and hobbyists ) and the small minority of "pillocks on bikes" (mainly schoolkids and chavs) who annoy everyone by being inconsiderate.
@mr york I've never had a problem with cyclists when I drive in York: perhaps it's the way you drive if you experience it every day? Walking through the city centre during the day however, yes, at times I'd like a stick to poke through the front spokes... Ditto at red traffic lights. Having said that, I think you've got to differentiate between "most cyclists", (including most commuters and hobbyists ) and the small minority of "pillocks on bikes" (mainly schoolkids and chavs) who annoy everyone by being inconsiderate. nasrudin
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4:55pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Mike Hock1 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Always two sides to every story. The bus driver will need to be interviewed by his employer and perhaps NY police. Also the cyclist if identifiable. I will not speculate either way, in case prosecution ensues.
you not wanting to speculate?!! dont you mean your worried a fellow cyclist jockey may find out that you mugged him off and your scared he may track you down and knock your chain off?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Always two sides to every story. The bus driver will need to be interviewed by his employer and perhaps NY police. Also the cyclist if identifiable. I will not speculate either way, in case prosecution ensues.[/p][/quote]you not wanting to speculate?!! dont you mean your worried a fellow cyclist jockey may find out that you mugged him off and your scared he may track you down and knock your chain off? Mike Hock1
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5:07pm Fri 14 Jan 11

alfie says...

It was me, I thought it was a bus stop godamit!
It was me, I thought it was a bus stop godamit! alfie
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5:14pm Fri 14 Jan 11

mr york says...

O realy its the way i drive is it ? Pray tell how do i avoid a cyclist coming the wrong way up just about any city centre street in the dark with no lights and an attitude the size of York Minster !! Most nights of the week ?.. If you have an hour to spare simply have a drive round the city centre and you will see what i mean...
O realy its the way i drive is it ? Pray tell how do i avoid a cyclist coming the wrong way up just about any city centre street in the dark with no lights and an attitude the size of York Minster !! Most nights of the week ?.. If you have an hour to spare simply have a drive round the city centre and you will see what i mean... mr york
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5:22pm Fri 14 Jan 11

nasrudin says...

If you see him most nights, it's probably the same one! ;)
If you see him most nights, it's probably the same one! ;) nasrudin
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6:01pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Dante says...

As a cyclist, a motorcylist and a car driver, I have little sympathy for the cyclist.........reas
on..........."the cyclist had been weaving through traffic when the bus pulled out after indicating"
Anyone who drives, sooner or later meets these tossers who weave in and out, nearside to offside to suit themselves with little ot no thought for the drivers of more cumbersome vehicles with less all round visibility. But, I'm on my bike, YOU give me space........if I'd have been the bus driver, He's have moved, believe me, I#d have dragged the idiot to the path, him and his nice bike. These are the people who give ammunition to our resident cycle hater Mr Usherwood
As a cyclist, a motorcylist and a car driver, I have little sympathy for the cyclist.........reas on..........."the cyclist had been weaving through traffic when the bus pulled out after indicating" Anyone who drives, sooner or later meets these tossers who weave in and out, nearside to offside to suit themselves with little ot no thought for the drivers of more cumbersome vehicles with less all round visibility. But, I'm on my bike, YOU give me space........if I'd have been the bus driver, He's have moved, believe me, I#d have dragged the idiot to the path, him and his nice bike. These are the people who give ammunition to our resident cycle hater Mr Usherwood Dante
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6:27pm Fri 14 Jan 11

GBTYZ says...

B*&&$Y cyclist they think they own the roads and footpaths its time the police put these arrogant !!!!!!!! in their place and started issuing them with £30 on the spot fine every time they break the law and its time the goverment raised the fines to £200.
B*&&$Y cyclist they think they own the roads and footpaths its time the police put these arrogant !!!!!!!! in their place and started issuing them with £30 on the spot fine every time they break the law and its time the goverment raised the fines to £200. GBTYZ
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6:52pm Fri 14 Jan 11

holyroller says...

Dante wrote:
As a cyclist, a motorcylist and a car driver, I have little sympathy for the cyclist.........reas

on..........."the cyclist had been weaving through traffic when the bus pulled out after indicating"
Anyone who drives, sooner or later meets these tossers who weave in and out, nearside to offside to suit themselves with little ot no thought for the drivers of more cumbersome vehicles with less all round visibility. But, I'm on my bike, YOU give me space........if I'd have been the bus driver, He's have moved, believe me, I#d have dragged the idiot to the path, him and his nice bike. These are the people who give ammunition to our resident cycle hater Mr Usherwood
Dante,

This is Picadilly, there is nowhere to weave.
It's the quote from FY as told by their driver. It's a straight road with Bus Stops either side set off the riding line.

Far more likely he was simply pulled out on.
[quote][p][bold]Dante[/bold] wrote: As a cyclist, a motorcylist and a car driver, I have little sympathy for the cyclist.........reas on..........."the cyclist had been weaving through traffic when the bus pulled out after indicating" Anyone who drives, sooner or later meets these tossers who weave in and out, nearside to offside to suit themselves with little ot no thought for the drivers of more cumbersome vehicles with less all round visibility. But, I'm on my bike, YOU give me space........if I'd have been the bus driver, He's have moved, believe me, I#d have dragged the idiot to the path, him and his nice bike. These are the people who give ammunition to our resident cycle hater Mr Usherwood[/p][/quote]Dante, This is Picadilly, there is nowhere to weave. It's the quote from FY as told by their driver. It's a straight road with Bus Stops either side set off the riding line. Far more likely he was simply pulled out on. holyroller
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6:57pm Fri 14 Jan 11

PDH says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Always two sides to every story. The bus driver will need to be interviewed by his employer and perhaps NY police. Also the cyclist if identifiable. I will not speculate either way, in case prosecution ensues.
Oh PP Why should the driver be interviewed? The cyclist just rode off and up to now has not put a complaint in, would this be because he was at fault?
More than likely a nutcase cyclist that thinks as most cyclists do that the road belongs to them, even though they pay nothing towards the costs.

If it was a car driver doing that to a cyclist you would want them hung.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Always two sides to every story. The bus driver will need to be interviewed by his employer and perhaps NY police. Also the cyclist if identifiable. I will not speculate either way, in case prosecution ensues.[/p][/quote]Oh PP Why should the driver be interviewed? The cyclist just rode off and up to now has not put a complaint in, would this be because he was at fault? More than likely a nutcase cyclist that thinks as most cyclists do that the road belongs to them, even though they pay nothing towards the costs. If it was a car driver doing that to a cyclist you would want them hung. PDH
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6:59pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Biggles Breaks his Silence says...

This photo confirms that cyclists play a major role in causing congestion and air pollution.

All we need now is a photo of PP in his fume belching bus to back it up..
This photo confirms that cyclists play a major role in causing congestion and air pollution. All we need now is a photo of PP in his fume belching bus to back it up.. Biggles Breaks his Silence
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7:14pm Fri 14 Jan 11

nasrudin says...

First York's understanding?
TBH, if First York told me the sky was blue I'd stick my head out of the window to check.
First York's understanding? TBH, if First York told me the sky was blue I'd stick my head out of the window to check. nasrudin
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7:21pm Fri 14 Jan 11

holyroller says...

Cyclists pay just as much towards the cost of upkeep of the roads. In fact for those who also own cars just decide not to clog the city centre with them they pay as much as anyone else but use the roads less.

Roads are paid for from general taxation.
Cyclists pay just as much towards the cost of upkeep of the roads. In fact for those who also own cars just decide not to clog the city centre with them they pay as much as anyone else but use the roads less. Roads are paid for from general taxation. holyroller
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7:26pm Fri 14 Jan 11

PDH says...

holyroller wrote:
Cyclists pay just as much towards the cost of upkeep of the roads. In fact for those who also own cars just decide not to clog the city centre with them they pay as much as anyone else but use the roads less. Roads are paid for from general taxation.
Oh i take it there must be a road tax for cyclists then is there? And what other costs are there for cyclists that pay for the up keep to our roads?
[quote][p][bold]holyroller[/bold] wrote: Cyclists pay just as much towards the cost of upkeep of the roads. In fact for those who also own cars just decide not to clog the city centre with them they pay as much as anyone else but use the roads less. Roads are paid for from general taxation.[/p][/quote]Oh i take it there must be a road tax for cyclists then is there? And what other costs are there for cyclists that pay for the up keep to our roads? PDH
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7:46pm Fri 14 Jan 11

deuteronomy says...

since the council messed about with the bus stops in piccadilly it has become an absolute nightmare for buses to stop on these stops.When the n08 stops to drop off or pick up and other buses opposite pull in, nothing can hardly get past now theyve mega boobed big big style!
And for moving the n06 stop in theatre royal - what on earth is that all about? theyve moved it back away from the shelter right onto the entrance to the pull in.
since the council messed about with the bus stops in piccadilly it has become an absolute nightmare for buses to stop on these stops.When the n08 stops to drop off or pick up and other buses opposite pull in, nothing can hardly get past now theyve mega boobed big big style! And for moving the n06 stop in theatre royal - what on earth is that all about? theyve moved it back away from the shelter right onto the entrance to the pull in. deuteronomy
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8:15pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Optimus says...

I am a driver, cyclist and pedestrian and regularly use all those forms of travel in and around York. I always try my best to see things from all points of view. Firstly, as anyone who has been down Picadilly over the last few months will know that the majority of the stops are at angles so the rear of the buses stick out slightly. Therefore there is no option for cyclist or car (with the relevant permission to be up that street) to weave around them! Secondly a recent experience as a pedestrian only backs up that some, NOT ALL, First York drivers have a distinct lack of awareness. Last Monday I was wating at the the junction of picadilly/pavement/c
oppergate for the green man. On the green man appearing I started to cross the road, shortly after I started across the road the bus set off and driver gave me some very strange looks as to why I crossed in front of him. The Red light directly ahead of him clearly meant nothing, why he took the green man as a legal go ahead to set off I don't know. If this is the high standards that FY probably expect from their drivers representing the company then surely questions need to be asked. I don't condone this person actions holding up traffic in this way down what is a busy street especially as was pointed out if emergency vehicles needed urgent access through but can understand the frustrations of being pulled out in front of, if that is in fact what happened.
Sorry, essay now over!
I am a driver, cyclist and pedestrian and regularly use all those forms of travel in and around York. I always try my best to see things from all points of view. Firstly, as anyone who has been down Picadilly over the last few months will know that the majority of the stops are at angles so the rear of the buses stick out slightly. Therefore there is no option for cyclist or car (with the relevant permission to be up that street) to weave around them! Secondly a recent experience as a pedestrian only backs up that some, NOT ALL, First York drivers have a distinct lack of awareness. Last Monday I was wating at the the junction of picadilly/pavement/c oppergate for the green man. On the green man appearing I started to cross the road, shortly after I started across the road the bus set off and driver gave me some very strange looks as to why I crossed in front of him. The Red light directly ahead of him clearly meant nothing, why he took the green man as a legal go ahead to set off I don't know. If this is the high standards that FY probably expect from their drivers representing the company then surely questions need to be asked. I don't condone this person actions holding up traffic in this way down what is a busy street especially as was pointed out if emergency vehicles needed urgent access through but can understand the frustrations of being pulled out in front of, if that is in fact what happened. Sorry, essay now over! Optimus
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9:01pm Fri 14 Jan 11

nasrudin says...

@PDH

Roads are paid for out of general taxation. Cyclists have as much right to use them as motorists!
@PDH Roads are paid for out of general taxation. Cyclists have as much right to use them as motorists! nasrudin
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9:34pm Fri 14 Jan 11

MCWM says...

PDH wrote:
holyroller wrote: Cyclists pay just as much towards the cost of upkeep of the roads. In fact for those who also own cars just decide not to clog the city centre with them they pay as much as anyone else but use the roads less. Roads are paid for from general taxation.
Oh i take it there must be a road tax for cyclists then is there? And what other costs are there for cyclists that pay for the up keep to our roads?
Not very informed are you PDH? There is no such thing as road tax, Vehicle Excise Duty is a levy on cars dependant on their CO2 output and goes direct to central government, it is not ring fenced for road maintenance. Toyota Prius/classic cars etc. are pay no VED so should they have fewer rights to use the road too? Lets make it nice and simple so you can understand, repeat after me "There is no such thing a road tax, There is no such thing as road tax. There is no such thing as road tax" ;-)
p.s. I'm not condoning the cyclist's or the bus driver's behaviour. This whole anti-cycling/anti-ca
r argument is soooooo tired (although it seems to be the mainstay of the comments on this site). Everyone is just trying to get somewhere. Relax people.
[quote][p][bold]PDH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holyroller[/bold] wrote: Cyclists pay just as much towards the cost of upkeep of the roads. In fact for those who also own cars just decide not to clog the city centre with them they pay as much as anyone else but use the roads less. Roads are paid for from general taxation.[/p][/quote]Oh i take it there must be a road tax for cyclists then is there? And what other costs are there for cyclists that pay for the up keep to our roads?[/p][/quote]Not very informed are you PDH? There is no such thing as road tax, Vehicle Excise Duty is a levy on cars dependant on their CO2 output and goes direct to central government, it is not ring fenced for road maintenance. Toyota Prius/classic cars etc. are pay no VED so should they have fewer rights to use the road too? Lets make it nice and simple so you can understand, repeat after me "There is no such thing a road tax, There is no such thing as road tax. There is no such thing as road tax" [repeat to fade] ;-) p.s. I'm not condoning the cyclist's or the bus driver's behaviour. This whole anti-cycling/anti-ca r argument is soooooo tired (although it seems to be the mainstay of the comments on this site). Everyone is just trying to get somewhere. Relax people. MCWM
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10:12pm Fri 14 Jan 11

PKH says...

Maybe the FY driver half passed the cyclist and then cut into the stop as they have done on numerous occassions to myself. If is the case as the bus driver carved up the cyclist to save a few seconds I cannot blame the cyclist for delaying the impatient bus driver.
Maybe the FY driver half passed the cyclist and then cut into the stop as they have done on numerous occassions to myself. If is the case as the bus driver carved up the cyclist to save a few seconds I cannot blame the cyclist for delaying the impatient bus driver. PKH
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10:14pm Fri 14 Jan 11

moneyforwhat says...

there's a guy outside the Aviva building corner of Rougier Street & Station Rise staging his own one man protest on a regular basis - is he any less newsworthy. ANSWER - yes he is because it doesn't involve cycles and doesn't drag everyone out of the woodwork with their sometimes funny and frequently logical views, yet more frequently a bizarre need to become quite unpleasant. This cyclist has obviously been a friend of a reporter with the intention of perpetuating the continuing quite anal battle of cyclist v motorist. You want to ride a bike and use roads - well pay something by way of a contribution. Use lights wear correct headgear and have insurance. Don't ride on footpaths. There is no road tax (now) it was called road fund licence some time ago and I guess that's when many of the road structures made advances. I guess that those who need to buy fuel for their transport are proportionally indirectly funding through taxation in a greater sense than the cyclist.
there's a guy outside the Aviva building corner of Rougier Street & Station Rise staging his own one man protest on a regular basis - is he any less newsworthy. ANSWER - yes he is because it doesn't involve cycles and doesn't drag everyone out of the woodwork with their sometimes funny and frequently logical views, yet more frequently a bizarre need to become quite unpleasant. This cyclist has obviously been a friend of a reporter with the intention of perpetuating the continuing quite anal battle of cyclist v motorist. You want to ride a bike and use roads - well pay something by way of a contribution. Use lights wear correct headgear and have insurance. Don't ride on footpaths. There is no road tax (now) it was called road fund licence some time ago and I guess that's when many of the road structures made advances. I guess that those who need to buy fuel for their transport are proportionally indirectly funding through taxation in a greater sense than the cyclist. moneyforwhat
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10:19pm Fri 14 Jan 11

TooRelaxed is dead now says...

Have to agree with MCWM, the hate between car and cycle is tired. Not only that but it's wrong and dangerous.
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Incredible the level of hate being spewed out here and the distance between what the story says and what the comments say.
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It's a simple road rage incident. It makes no odds whether the guy's on a bike or driving a skip wagon. It's one cyclist, we can't judge every other cyclist on this one incident nor can we judge every other bus driver on the same.
There are indeed two sides to every story and we here do not have the facts at our disposal.
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The bloke obviously got angry enough to take some action, let's hope he comes forward to give us his version.
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You know, it is fact that there are dangerous First drivers who single out cyclists and act out personal grudges against them seemingly oblivious to the gravity of their actions - I've witnessed it first hand and it's totally unacceptable, been threatened and everything, but I've also witnessed idiots on bikes with scant regard to life limb or law, like the two kids on BMX who rode out at Nessgate in front of a taxi and a First bus today, both drivers were understandably terrified - who would want that tragedy on their conscience, or at the least a damaged wing to pay for with no recourse to the culprit?
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We must stop unnecessarily creating the prejudice. Bus driver, cyclist, pedestrian should all walk/ drive/ ride a mile in each others shoes.
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What am I some sort of hopeless utopian hippie? Platitudes are easy when you're already dead!
Peace out brothers and sisters!
Have to agree with MCWM, the hate between car and cycle is tired. Not only that but it's wrong and dangerous. . Incredible the level of hate being spewed out here and the distance between what the story says and what the comments say. . It's a simple road rage incident. It makes no odds whether the guy's on a bike or driving a skip wagon. It's one cyclist, we can't judge every other cyclist on this one incident nor can we judge every other bus driver on the same. There are indeed two sides to every story and we here do not have the facts at our disposal. . The bloke obviously got angry enough to take some action, let's hope he comes forward to give us his version. . You know, it is fact that there are dangerous First drivers who single out cyclists and act out personal grudges against them seemingly oblivious to the gravity of their actions - I've witnessed it first hand and it's totally unacceptable, been threatened and everything, but I've also witnessed idiots on bikes with scant regard to life limb or law, like the two kids on BMX who rode out at Nessgate in front of a taxi and a First bus today, both drivers were understandably terrified - who would want that tragedy on their conscience, or at the least a damaged wing to pay for with no recourse to the culprit? . We must stop unnecessarily creating the prejudice. Bus driver, cyclist, pedestrian should all walk/ drive/ ride a mile in each others shoes. . What am I some sort of hopeless utopian hippie? Platitudes are easy when you're already dead! Peace out brothers and sisters! TooRelaxed is dead now
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10:21pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Yorkie-Clifton says...

This is typical of the Cycling Fraternity . They have been given this confidence by CoYC to believe that they own the roads- pavements and cycle lanes . They are above the Law and have special care from Galloway . wowowowwowo.
The Police are very cautious of taking them to task . Its a disgrace .
This is typical of the Cycling Fraternity . They have been given this confidence by CoYC to believe that they own the roads- pavements and cycle lanes . They are above the Law and have special care from Galloway . wowowowwowo. The Police are very cautious of taking them to task . Its a disgrace . Yorkie-Clifton
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10:21pm Fri 14 Jan 11

TooRelaxed is dead now says...

PS 64! 64! 64! Mr Udigawa's sweep entry is so gonna be passed...
PS 64! 64! 64! Mr Udigawa's sweep entry is so gonna be passed... TooRelaxed is dead now
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10:44pm Fri 14 Jan 11

mystic_genius says...

Mr Udigawa wrote:
Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.
Inside knowledge??!!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.[/p][/quote]Inside knowledge??!! mystic_genius
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11:09pm Fri 14 Jan 11

Thisisnotasmile says...

section 137 of the Highways Act 1980: "(1) If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence "
section 137 of the Highways Act 1980: "(1) If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence " Thisisnotasmile
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11:20pm Fri 14 Jan 11

pedalling paul says...

Yorkie-Clifton wrote:
This is typical of the Cycling Fraternity . They have been given this confidence by CoYC to believe that they own the roads- pavements and cycle lanes . They are above the Law and have special care from Galloway . wowowowwowo. The Police are very cautious of taking them to task . Its a disgrace .
What an utterly stupid and banal comment. Suggest we all wait for a Court to decide who is guilty.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie-Clifton[/bold] wrote: This is typical of the Cycling Fraternity . They have been given this confidence by CoYC to believe that they own the roads- pavements and cycle lanes . They are above the Law and have special care from Galloway . wowowowwowo. The Police are very cautious of taking them to task . Its a disgrace .[/p][/quote]What an utterly stupid and banal comment. Suggest we all wait for a Court to decide who is guilty. pedalling paul
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12:01am Sat 15 Jan 11

roadwars says...

It's clear that the cyclist was passing the bus when it pulled out, otherwise there's no way he could have ended up in front of it. "the bus driver indicated" so what! it's about time bus drivers realised that they have to look too before pulling out on bikes, motorbikes, cars...
It's clear that the cyclist was passing the bus when it pulled out, otherwise there's no way he could have ended up in front of it. "the bus driver indicated" so what! it's about time bus drivers realised that they have to look too before pulling out on bikes, motorbikes, cars... roadwars
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12:06am Sat 15 Jan 11

DJS83 says...

Yorkie-Clifton wrote:
This is typical of the Cycling Fraternity . They have been given this confidence by CoYC to believe that they own the roads- pavements and cycle lanes . They are above the Law and have special care from Galloway . wowowowwowo. The Police are very cautious of taking them to task . Its a disgrace .
So you are saying that cyclists don't have a right to cycle paths? The reason they were put they were for cyclists. I cycle to work and got all the gear (lights, luminous clothing) and stick to lights and highway code etc. Should I not be allowed to have the right to the facilities put in place for people like me? Instead on my way to work going down Bootham I have to put up with people who are driving along in the cycle lane for no reason. I also drive by the way.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie-Clifton[/bold] wrote: This is typical of the Cycling Fraternity . They have been given this confidence by CoYC to believe that they own the roads- pavements and cycle lanes . They are above the Law and have special care from Galloway . wowowowwowo. The Police are very cautious of taking them to task . Its a disgrace .[/p][/quote]So you are saying that cyclists don't have a right to cycle paths? The reason they were put they were for cyclists. I cycle to work and got all the gear (lights, luminous clothing) and stick to lights and highway code etc. Should I not be allowed to have the right to the facilities put in place for people like me? Instead on my way to work going down Bootham I have to put up with people who are driving along in the cycle lane for no reason. I also drive by the way. DJS83
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12:52am Sat 15 Jan 11

Head of Bomber Command says...

FFS I can't believe I have trawled through all that B****x. Some of you lot want to get a life.

I need a couple of anadin after trying to divulge that lot.
FFS I can't believe I have trawled through all that B****x. Some of you lot want to get a life. I need a couple of anadin after trying to divulge that lot. Head of Bomber Command
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1:48am Sat 15 Jan 11

AngryandFrustrated says...

Head of Bomber Command wrote:
FFS I can't believe I have trawled through all that B****x. Some of you lot want to get a life. I need a couple of anadin after trying to divulge that lot.
i don't disagree but you must admit that some of the earlier comments were amusing, bordering on hilarious!
[quote][p][bold]Head of Bomber Command[/bold] wrote: FFS I can't believe I have trawled through all that B****x. Some of you lot want to get a life. I need a couple of anadin after trying to divulge that lot.[/p][/quote]i don't disagree but you must admit that some of the earlier comments were amusing, bordering on hilarious! AngryandFrustrated
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8:25am Sat 15 Jan 11

Mr Udigawa says...

TooRelaxed is dead now wrote:
PS 64! 64! 64! Mr Udigawa's sweep entry is so gonna be passed...
Thwarted when the winning line was in sight!
I liked PP's retort at 11:20, I don't think he's ever been that aggressive before, must have been down the Fox for half a Tetleys.
[quote][p][bold]TooRelaxed is dead now[/bold] wrote: PS 64! 64! 64! Mr Udigawa's sweep entry is so gonna be passed...[/p][/quote]Thwarted when the winning line was in sight! I liked PP's retort at 11:20, I don't think he's ever been that aggressive before, must have been down the Fox for half a Tetleys. Mr Udigawa
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8:57am Sat 15 Jan 11

Hackney Lee says...

I blame the council. Don't know why but I thought I'd save someone the trouble of saying it
I blame the council. Don't know why but I thought I'd save someone the trouble of saying it Hackney Lee
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9:10am Sat 15 Jan 11

Eborwatch says...

I do not think it appropriate to comment on the reported incident until both sides of the 'argument' have been heard. However, on a more general point regarding cyclists - and I am refering to a stupid and non-law abiding minority - I am heartily sick of being confronted by cyclists on pavements (not designated cycle paths); cyclists jumping red traffic lights; cyclists without lamps during the hours of darkness and cyclists ignoring one-way streets (particularly in the city centre). On a more general point regarding bus drivers - a very small minority - I have experienced all manner of careless and stupid activity from talking to passengers whilst driving, driving at excessive speeds and braking heavily causing passengers at least considerable discomfort. I stress these failings lie with a very small minority. Perhaps it is time we tightened up on our education and testing (including re-testing) of our road users such as cyclist and bus drivers. Lets get a grip and have some enforcement to make the message clear "be more considerate and comply with the regulations"! I am, from time to time, a motorist, a cyclist and a pedestrian.
I do not think it appropriate to comment on the reported incident until both sides of the 'argument' have been heard. However, on a more general point regarding cyclists - and I am refering to a stupid and non-law abiding minority - I am heartily sick of being confronted by cyclists on pavements (not designated cycle paths); cyclists jumping red traffic lights; cyclists without lamps during the hours of darkness and cyclists ignoring one-way streets (particularly in the city centre). On a more general point regarding bus drivers - a very small minority - I have experienced all manner of careless and stupid activity from talking to passengers whilst driving, driving at excessive speeds and braking heavily causing passengers at least considerable discomfort. I stress these failings lie with a very small minority. Perhaps it is time we tightened up on our education and testing (including re-testing) of our road users such as cyclist and bus drivers. Lets get a grip and have some enforcement to make the message clear "be more considerate and comply with the regulations"! I am, from time to time, a motorist, a cyclist and a pedestrian. Eborwatch
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9:36am Sat 15 Jan 11

nowthen says...

Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.
Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense. nowthen
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9:50am Sat 15 Jan 11

greenmonkey says...

Theres not much roadspace outside M+S and from the description it sounds as though the driver admitted being at fault - putting an indicator on doesnt give you the right to pull out in front of moving traffic, whether that is a car or a bike. Cyclists on pavements are another symptom of the same problem - road users putting their safety and convenience before that of someone more vulnerable in the event of a collision.
Theres not much roadspace outside M+S and from the description it sounds as though the driver admitted being at fault - putting an indicator on doesnt give you the right to pull out in front of moving traffic, whether that is a car or a bike. Cyclists on pavements are another symptom of the same problem - road users putting their safety and convenience before that of someone more vulnerable in the event of a collision. greenmonkey
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10:01am Sat 15 Jan 11

greenmonkey says...

Thisisnotasmile wrote:
section 137 of the Highways Act 1980: "(1) If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence "
Lawful excuse Im sure extends to securing the drivers details after an alleged incident of driving carelessly, endangering the lives of other road users. I hope that one or more of the bus passengers are willing to come forward if they saw what happened. It cant be easy driving a bus in York, so cyclists do have to have their wits about them.If they are in the wrong drivers should be willing to apologise - the driver might have done but its rare in my experience. When I have complained in the past First have promised to interview the driver but you never hear anything more as they are not going to admit to being wrong in writing!
[quote][p][bold]Thisisnotasmile[/bold] wrote: section 137 of the Highways Act 1980: "(1) If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence "[/p][/quote]Lawful excuse Im sure extends to securing the drivers details after an alleged incident of driving carelessly, endangering the lives of other road users. I hope that one or more of the bus passengers are willing to come forward if they saw what happened. It cant be easy driving a bus in York, so cyclists do have to have their wits about them.If they are in the wrong drivers should be willing to apologise - the driver might have done but its rare in my experience. When I have complained in the past First have promised to interview the driver but you never hear anything more as they are not going to admit to being wrong in writing! greenmonkey
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10:28am Sat 15 Jan 11

Mr Udigawa says...

nowthen wrote:
Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.
If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me.
Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)!
[quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.[/p][/quote]If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)! Mr Udigawa
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10:43am Sat 15 Jan 11

Thisisnotasmile says...

Mr Udigawa wrote:
nowthen wrote:
Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.
If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me.
Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)!
Why shouldn't cyclists have to wear helmets? Motorists have to wear seatbelts. They're both measures for the user's own safety, and seeing as cyclists are at more risk than motorists, don't you think it would be a good idea to protect yourself from possible severe injuries?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.[/p][/quote]If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)![/p][/quote]Why shouldn't cyclists have to wear helmets? Motorists have to wear seatbelts. They're both measures for the user's own safety, and seeing as cyclists are at more risk than motorists, don't you think it would be a good idea to protect yourself from possible severe injuries? Thisisnotasmile
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10:51am Sat 15 Jan 11

Mr Udigawa says...

Thisisnotasmile wrote:
Mr Udigawa wrote:
nowthen wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.
If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)!
Why shouldn't cyclists have to wear helmets? Motorists have to wear seatbelts. They're both measures for the user's own safety, and seeing as cyclists are at more risk than motorists, don't you think it would be a good idea to protect yourself from possible severe injuries?
There are various arguments for and against the compulsory wearing of Cycle helmets, but the top and bottom of the matter is that I don't want to look even more of a tw4t than I do now, and Cycle helmets certainly add that special something to a persons appearance don't you think?
Worth the risk in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Thisisnotasmile[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.[/p][/quote]If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)![/p][/quote]Why shouldn't cyclists have to wear helmets? Motorists have to wear seatbelts. They're both measures for the user's own safety, and seeing as cyclists are at more risk than motorists, don't you think it would be a good idea to protect yourself from possible severe injuries?[/p][/quote]There are various arguments for and against the compulsory wearing of Cycle helmets, but the top and bottom of the matter is that I don't want to look even more of a tw4t than I do now, and Cycle helmets certainly add that special something to a persons appearance don't you think? Worth the risk in my opinion. Mr Udigawa
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11:03am Sat 15 Jan 11

Thisisnotasmile says...

You're so vain that you're willing to risk serious head injuries... wow.
You're so vain that you're willing to risk serious head injuries... wow. Thisisnotasmile
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11:08am Sat 15 Jan 11

Mr Udigawa says...

Thisisnotasmile wrote:
You're so vain that you're willing to risk serious head injuries... wow.
Yep.
[quote][p][bold]Thisisnotasmile[/bold] wrote: You're so vain that you're willing to risk serious head injuries... wow.[/p][/quote]Yep. Mr Udigawa
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11:41am Sat 15 Jan 11

topumpire1 says...

This "nut on a bike" is committing an offence of obstruction, where are the police? and this can only get worse with the cuts! but look at the people walking by "trying" to ignore it, what if this cyclist had been a "decoy" to get the driver off the bus whilst a accomplise jumped aboard & stole the takings? would all those "witness" anything? the police should start charging those who do not want to get involved as co constiritors.
This "nut on a bike" is committing an offence of obstruction, where are the police? and this can only get worse with the cuts! but look at the people walking by "trying" to ignore it, what if this cyclist had been a "decoy" to get the driver off the bus whilst a accomplise jumped aboard & stole the takings? would all those "witness" anything? the police should start charging those who do not want to get involved as co constiritors. topumpire1
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12:06pm Sat 15 Jan 11

pedalling paul says...

Mr Udigawa wrote:
nowthen wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.
If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)!
No longer a Tetley's drinker...more of a wine guru these days....and no I never wear a cycle helmet while riding for leisure or utility journeys. But not the main topic of this thread.......
[quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.[/p][/quote]If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)![/p][/quote]No longer a Tetley's drinker...more of a wine guru these days....and no I never wear a cycle helmet while riding for leisure or utility journeys. But not the main topic of this thread....... pedalling paul
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1:46pm Sat 15 Jan 11

Hanspan says...

roadwars wrote:
It's clear that the cyclist was passing the bus when it pulled out, otherwise there's no way he could have ended up in front of it. "the bus driver indicated" so what! it's about time bus drivers realised that they have to look too before pulling out on bikes, motorbikes, cars...
So true, so true!
[quote][p][bold]roadwars[/bold] wrote: It's clear that the cyclist was passing the bus when it pulled out, otherwise there's no way he could have ended up in front of it. "the bus driver indicated" so what! it's about time bus drivers realised that they have to look too before pulling out on bikes, motorbikes, cars...[/p][/quote]So true, so true! Hanspan
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2:59pm Sat 15 Jan 11

Acomblady says...

Just to throw a spanner in this discussion. No-one has spotted that the no.7 bus was diverted due to roadworks in Tower Street. Perhaps that explains why the road was so full of buses. I too have been cut up many times on my bike but diverted traffic does require extra caution
Just to throw a spanner in this discussion. No-one has spotted that the no.7 bus was diverted due to roadworks in Tower Street. Perhaps that explains why the road was so full of buses. I too have been cut up many times on my bike but diverted traffic does require extra caution Acomblady
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3:10pm Sat 15 Jan 11

Joffey says...

Buses are always pulling out without looking - nearly an accident on Lawrence Street today because of it. Well done Mr Cyclist. The buses in York are more of a menace on the roads than the cyclists!!
Buses are always pulling out without looking - nearly an accident on Lawrence Street today because of it. Well done Mr Cyclist. The buses in York are more of a menace on the roads than the cyclists!! Joffey
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3:35pm Sat 15 Jan 11

moneyforwhat says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Mr Udigawa wrote:
nowthen wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.
If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)!
No longer a Tetley's drinker...more of a wine guru these days....and no I never wear a cycle helmet while riding for leisure or utility journeys. But not the main topic of this thread.......
spelling error noted...whine guru
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.[/p][/quote]If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)![/p][/quote]No longer a Tetley's drinker...more of a wine guru these days....and no I never wear a cycle helmet while riding for leisure or utility journeys. But not the main topic of this thread.......[/p][/quote]spelling error noted...whine guru moneyforwhat
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4:18pm Sat 15 Jan 11

sometimes i tell the truth says...

The cyclist and bus driver are actually husband and wife. He's berating her for forgetting to put the bins out.

What?! You took the bait and assumed it was a traffic incident?
The cyclist and bus driver are actually husband and wife. He's berating her for forgetting to put the bins out. What?! You took the bait and assumed it was a traffic incident? sometimes i tell the truth
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5:52pm Sat 15 Jan 11

zexbom says...

I dont know why you lot are reading out laws of obstruction to me us as there are no police to prosecute... If there are any Police left after cuts then they will be on foot as they wont be able to afford cars.

Also as a part time cyclist who obeys the laws of the road, I must add that Bus Drivers from First do have a tendancy to not see cyclists. I have been knocked off once and splashed by puddles from them on several occasions. Why they couldnt have waited the 2 seconds for when they could have passed safely I do not know...

This isnt the first time the customer servise of First York has been put up for review
I dont know why you lot are reading out laws of obstruction to me us as there are no police to prosecute... If there are any Police left after cuts then they will be on foot as they wont be able to afford cars. Also as a part time cyclist who obeys the laws of the road, I must add that Bus Drivers from First do have a tendancy to not see cyclists. I have been knocked off once and splashed by puddles from them on several occasions. Why they couldnt have waited the 2 seconds for when they could have passed safely I do not know... This isnt the first time the customer servise of First York has been put up for review zexbom
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7:01pm Sat 15 Jan 11

nowthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Mr Udigawa wrote:
nowthen wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.
If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)!
No longer a Tetley's drinker...more of a wine guru these days....and no I never wear a cycle helmet while riding for leisure or utility journeys. But not the main topic of this thread.......
I know it's not the main topic of these posts but don't you think it's sensible to protect that most important part of your anatomy? In a contest between kerb edge and the human cranium I know who's going to be the winner. Aren't you afraid of becoming a cabbage mumbling the same old words over and over again ? ........erm ! .......just a minute !
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Udigawa[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowthen[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.[/p][/quote]If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)![/p][/quote]No longer a Tetley's drinker...more of a wine guru these days....and no I never wear a cycle helmet while riding for leisure or utility journeys. But not the main topic of this thread.......[/p][/quote]I know it's not the main topic of these posts but don't you think it's sensible to protect that most important part of your anatomy? In a contest between kerb edge and the human cranium I know who's going to be the winner. Aren't you afraid of becoming a cabbage mumbling the same old words over and over again ? ........erm ! .......just a minute ! nowthen
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7:59pm Sat 15 Jan 11

again says...

When cycling in York it is often better to dismount and get onto the pavement when a bus is behind you.

The reason is that they apparently need the road more than you do and have ways of getting it.
When cycling in York it is often better to dismount and get onto the pavement when a bus is behind you. The reason is that they apparently need the road more than you do and have ways of getting it. again
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8:59am Sun 16 Jan 11

m dee says...

MCWM wrote:
PDH wrote:
holyroller wrote: Cyclists pay just as much towards the cost of upkeep of the roads. In fact for those who also own cars just decide not to clog the city centre with them they pay as much as anyone else but use the roads less. Roads are paid for from general taxation.
Oh i take it there must be a road tax for cyclists then is there? And what other costs are there for cyclists that pay for the up keep to our roads?
Not very informed are you PDH? There is no such thing as road tax, Vehicle Excise Duty is a levy on cars dependant on their CO2 output and goes direct to central government, it is not ring fenced for road maintenance. Toyota Prius/classic cars etc. are pay no VED so should they have fewer rights to use the road too? Lets make it nice and simple so you can understand, repeat after me "There is no such thing a road tax, There is no such thing as road tax. There is no such thing as road tax" ;-)
p.s. I'm not condoning the cyclist's or the bus driver's behaviour. This whole anti-cycling/anti-ca

r argument is soooooo tired (although it seems to be the mainstay of the comments on this site). Everyone is just trying to get somewhere. Relax people.
Reading your posting you must be a very close relative of P.P ,you both use the same key phrases when describing Vehicle Excise Duty very Bizarre.
At least we now know the cause of congestion in York its Buses and Cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]MCWM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PDH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holyroller[/bold] wrote: Cyclists pay just as much towards the cost of upkeep of the roads. In fact for those who also own cars just decide not to clog the city centre with them they pay as much as anyone else but use the roads less. Roads are paid for from general taxation.[/p][/quote]Oh i take it there must be a road tax for cyclists then is there? And what other costs are there for cyclists that pay for the up keep to our roads?[/p][/quote]Not very informed are you PDH? There is no such thing as road tax, Vehicle Excise Duty is a levy on cars dependant on their CO2 output and goes direct to central government, it is not ring fenced for road maintenance. Toyota Prius/classic cars etc. are pay no VED so should they have fewer rights to use the road too? Lets make it nice and simple so you can understand, repeat after me "There is no such thing a road tax, There is no such thing as road tax. There is no such thing as road tax" [repeat to fade] ;-) p.s. I'm not condoning the cyclist's or the bus driver's behaviour. This whole anti-cycling/anti-ca r argument is soooooo tired (although it seems to be the mainstay of the comments on this site). Everyone is just trying to get somewhere. Relax people.[/p][/quote]Reading your posting you must be a very close relative of P.P ,you both use the same key phrases when describing Vehicle Excise Duty very Bizarre. At least we now know the cause of congestion in York its Buses and Cyclists. m dee
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4:35pm Sun 16 Jan 11

Silver says...

Man with bike stops bus for 5 minutes. Greatest mystery in York as to his motives.
Man with bike stops bus for 5 minutes. Greatest mystery in York as to his motives. Silver
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4:35pm Sun 16 Jan 11

Silver says...

Man with bike stops bus for 5 minutes. Greatest mystery in York as to his motives.
Man with bike stops bus for 5 minutes. Greatest mystery in York as to his motives. Silver
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7:06pm Mon 17 Jan 11

JzG says...

I am fed up with cyclists thinking that they own the roads (and the pavements). There is a need for them to be registered in some way and to have a visible ID number so that they can be traced in circumstances like this.
I am fed up with cyclists thinking that they own the roads (and the pavements). There is a need for them to be registered in some way and to have a visible ID number so that they can be traced in circumstances like this. JzG
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2:53am Tue 18 Jan 11

Magicman! says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
What an idiot. Not because he stopped the bus but because he seems to think the driver will be able to hear him through the windscreen. Pretty typical of a lot of cyclists really - treating the rest of us as an nuisance. Why inconvenience all those bus passengers? Arrogant cyclists like this seem to forget we're all equal participants in the same world.
Shame a lot of motorists can't have the mirrored viewpoint of this towards cyclists: ie as "equal participants in the same road" as opposed to just being a nuisance that delays their progress by 5 seconds.
Looking at the picture, I'd suggest that the bus (remember this is a FIRST bus) would have started pulling out of a bay stop and only put on the indicator whilst moving... the cyclist would likely have been beside the bus as the vehicle started moving.
I've had it happen myself with cars and buses, some driver don't seem to know what those reflective bits of glass at the sides of their vehicles are for.
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: What an idiot. Not because he stopped the bus but because he seems to think the driver will be able to hear him through the windscreen. Pretty typical of a lot of cyclists really - treating the rest of us as an nuisance. Why inconvenience all those bus passengers? Arrogant cyclists like this seem to forget we're all equal participants in the same world.[/p][/quote]Shame a lot of motorists can't have the mirrored viewpoint of this towards cyclists: ie as "equal participants in the same road" as opposed to just being a nuisance that delays their progress by 5 seconds. Looking at the picture, I'd suggest that the bus (remember this is a FIRST bus) would have started pulling out of a bay stop and only put on the indicator whilst moving... the cyclist would likely have been beside the bus as the vehicle started moving. I've had it happen myself with cars and buses, some driver don't seem to know what those reflective bits of glass at the sides of their vehicles are for. Magicman!
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6:30pm Tue 18 Jan 11

Whoreallycares says...

Magicman! wrote:
Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
What an idiot. Not because he stopped the bus but because he seems to think the driver will be able to hear him through the windscreen. Pretty typical of a lot of cyclists really - treating the rest of us as an nuisance. Why inconvenience all those bus passengers? Arrogant cyclists like this seem to forget we're all equal participants in the same world.
Shame a lot of motorists can't have the mirrored viewpoint of this towards cyclists: ie as "equal participants in the same road" as opposed to just being a nuisance that delays their progress by 5 seconds.
Looking at the picture, I'd suggest that the bus (remember this is a FIRST bus) would have started pulling out of a bay stop and only put on the indicator whilst moving... the cyclist would likely have been beside the bus as the vehicle started moving.
I've had it happen myself with cars and buses, some driver don't seem to know what those reflective bits of glass at the sides of their vehicles are for.
Not like you to slate a First bus!!!!

Must be the only thing near to pleasure you can get.

The things that turn some people on!
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: What an idiot. Not because he stopped the bus but because he seems to think the driver will be able to hear him through the windscreen. Pretty typical of a lot of cyclists really - treating the rest of us as an nuisance. Why inconvenience all those bus passengers? Arrogant cyclists like this seem to forget we're all equal participants in the same world.[/p][/quote]Shame a lot of motorists can't have the mirrored viewpoint of this towards cyclists: ie as "equal participants in the same road" as opposed to just being a nuisance that delays their progress by 5 seconds. Looking at the picture, I'd suggest that the bus (remember this is a FIRST bus) would have started pulling out of a bay stop and only put on the indicator whilst moving... the cyclist would likely have been beside the bus as the vehicle started moving. I've had it happen myself with cars and buses, some driver don't seem to know what those reflective bits of glass at the sides of their vehicles are for.[/p][/quote]Not like you to slate a First bus!!!! Must be the only thing near to pleasure you can get. The things that turn some people on! Whoreallycares
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12:23pm Wed 19 Jan 11

Mr Udigawa says...

Did anyone find out what this dingleberry's problem was?
Did anyone find out what this dingleberry's problem was? Mr Udigawa
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6:35pm Wed 19 Jan 11

yo30 dan says...

100 comments of 2-wheel hatred!!

Get you helmets on bikers, it's war out there....
100 comments of 2-wheel hatred!! Get you helmets on bikers, it's war out there.... yo30 dan
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8:31am Thu 20 Jan 11

Mr Udigawa says...

yo30 dan wrote:
100 comments of 2-wheel hatred!! Get you helmets on bikers, it's war out there....
You need to count them again Dan, and maybe check your paranoia gland.....
[quote][p][bold]yo30 dan[/bold] wrote: 100 comments of 2-wheel hatred!! Get you helmets on bikers, it's war out there....[/p][/quote]You need to count them again Dan, and maybe check your paranoia gland..... Mr Udigawa
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9:08am Thu 20 Jan 11

again says...

TooRelaxed is dead now wrote:
Have to agree with MCWM, the hate between car and cycle is tired. Not only that but it's wrong and dangerous. . Incredible the level of hate being spewed out here and the distance between what the story says and what the comments say. . It's a simple road rage incident. It makes no odds whether the guy's on a bike or driving a skip wagon. It's one cyclist, we can't judge every other cyclist on this one incident nor can we judge every other bus driver on the same. There are indeed two sides to every story and we here do not have the facts at our disposal. . The bloke obviously got angry enough to take some action, let's hope he comes forward to give us his version. . You know, it is fact that there are dangerous First drivers who single out cyclists and act out personal grudges against them seemingly oblivious to the gravity of their actions - I've witnessed it first hand and it's totally unacceptable, been threatened and everything, but I've also witnessed idiots on bikes with scant regard to life limb or law, like the two kids on BMX who rode out at Nessgate in front of a taxi and a First bus today, both drivers were understandably terrified - who would want that tragedy on their conscience, or at the least a damaged wing to pay for with no recourse to the culprit? . We must stop unnecessarily creating the prejudice. Bus driver, cyclist, pedestrian should all walk/ drive/ ride a mile in each others shoes. . What am I some sort of hopeless utopian hippie? Platitudes are easy when you're already dead! Peace out brothers and sisters!
Very well said!

I am a motorist (own 2 vehicles), cyclist and bus-user. I used to ride a motorbike but gave it up as being too much at the mercy of other road users. Cyclists (and pedestrians) are also especially vulnerable in this way and us motor vehicles users should treat them and each other with care and not turn our vehicles into instruments of death.
[quote][p][bold]TooRelaxed is dead now[/bold] wrote: Have to agree with MCWM, the hate between car and cycle is tired. Not only that but it's wrong and dangerous. . Incredible the level of hate being spewed out here and the distance between what the story says and what the comments say. . It's a simple road rage incident. It makes no odds whether the guy's on a bike or driving a skip wagon. It's one cyclist, we can't judge every other cyclist on this one incident nor can we judge every other bus driver on the same. There are indeed two sides to every story and we here do not have the facts at our disposal. . The bloke obviously got angry enough to take some action, let's hope he comes forward to give us his version. . You know, it is fact that there are dangerous First drivers who single out cyclists and act out personal grudges against them seemingly oblivious to the gravity of their actions - I've witnessed it first hand and it's totally unacceptable, been threatened and everything, but I've also witnessed idiots on bikes with scant regard to life limb or law, like the two kids on BMX who rode out at Nessgate in front of a taxi and a First bus today, both drivers were understandably terrified - who would want that tragedy on their conscience, or at the least a damaged wing to pay for with no recourse to the culprit? . We must stop unnecessarily creating the prejudice. Bus driver, cyclist, pedestrian should all walk/ drive/ ride a mile in each others shoes. . What am I some sort of hopeless utopian hippie? Platitudes are easy when you're already dead! Peace out brothers and sisters![/p][/quote]Very well said! I am a motorist (own 2 vehicles), cyclist and bus-user. I used to ride a motorbike but gave it up as being too much at the mercy of other road users. Cyclists (and pedestrians) are also especially vulnerable in this way and us motor vehicles users should treat them and each other with care and not turn our vehicles into instruments of death. again
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5:45pm Fri 21 Jan 11

yo30 dan says...

I've posted this elsewhere but just thought I should show that harmony can exist with all road users.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=9kkBj3hv8
bk

I should also add that this will NEVER happen in York!!
I've posted this elsewhere but just thought I should show that harmony can exist with all road users. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=9kkBj3hv8 bk I should also add that this will NEVER happen in York!! yo30 dan
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4:53pm Tue 1 Feb 11

Splat says...

The majority of Cyclist are a menace. 99.99% commit some kind of offence,
riding without lights. through red traffic lights, on pavments. making right turns where prohibated. ridding on pavments !!! why cos NYPA allow them to york is lawless where Cyclist's are concerned.
bring back capital punishment for all Cyclist
The majority of Cyclist are a menace. 99.99% commit some kind of offence, riding without lights. through red traffic lights, on pavments. making right turns where prohibated. ridding on pavments !!! why cos NYPA allow them to york is lawless where Cyclist's are concerned. bring back capital punishment for all Cyclist Splat
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6:25pm Tue 1 Feb 11

Yorkie-Clifton says...

Splat wrote:
The majority of Cyclist are a menace. 99.99% commit some kind of offence,
riding without lights. through red traffic lights, on pavments. making right turns where prohibated. ridding on pavments !!! why cos NYPA allow them to york is lawless where Cyclist's are concerned.
bring back capital punishment for all Cyclist
My sentiments indeed .
I only disagree with the punishment .

How will they be brought to justice if the Police disregard the offence . I have tried to reprimand them but i don't understand the reply s i get . Things like F -off and silly old C-. Plus many other verbal s . This is Cycle City . hahahahah
[quote][p][bold]Splat[/bold] wrote: The majority of Cyclist are a menace. 99.99% commit some kind of offence, riding without lights. through red traffic lights, on pavments. making right turns where prohibated. ridding on pavments !!! why cos NYPA allow them to york is lawless where Cyclist's are concerned. bring back capital punishment for all Cyclist[/p][/quote]My sentiments indeed . I only disagree with the punishment . How will they be brought to justice if the Police disregard the offence . I have tried to reprimand them but i don't understand the reply s i get . Things like F -off and silly old C-. Plus many other verbal s . This is Cycle City . hahahahah Yorkie-Clifton
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