Cyclist stages one-man protest in front of bus in Piccadilly (From York Press)
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Cyclist stages one-man protest in front of bus in Piccadilly, York
12:30pm Friday 14th January 2011 in News
By Mike Laycock, Chief reporter
A cyclist stages one-man protest in front of a bus in Piccadilly. Picture by Tim Stark
A CYCLIST blocked a York city centre street today when he staged a one-man protest in front of a Park & Ride bus.
The cyclist blocked the bus’s progress in Piccadilly for at least five minutes, causing a traffic jam to build up behind, said eyewitness Tim Stark, who took this photograph.
He said the rider was engaged in an argument with the driver of the bus, which was carrying passengers from the Designer Outlet at Fulford. Neither the cyclist’s identity nor the reason for his protest is known.
A spokesman for bus operator First said he understood that the cyclist had been weaving through traffic when the bus pulled out after indicating.
He said the cyclist went past and then stopped in front of the bus, halting its progress.
He said the company was not aware of the reasons for the cyclist's actions, but felt they were dangerous.
*Are you the cyclist – and would you like to explain why you staged the protest? Contact Mike Laycock on 01904 567132 or email mike.laycock@thepress.co.uk
Comments(102)
The Countess
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12:42pm Fri 14 Jan 11
oldgoat
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12:43pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Neither the cyclist’s identity nor the reason for his protest is not known.
Sorry, what?
This is a triple negative. I think.
This is also utter non-news at its finest, since there is nothing to report. Certainly less than the traffic jam on Monday evening when that FTR crashed into another bus on Coppergate and caused some serious holdups for a while!
Punkster
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12:43pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Er, so he is known then!
Mr Udigawa
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12:47pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Pete the Brickie
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12:52pm Fri 14 Jan 11
ndevr
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12:59pm Fri 14 Jan 11
nasrudin
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1:01pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Any non-cyclists who don't get why this man might be protesting should try cycling in town for a couple of weeks and see how you feel then.
alfie
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1:15pm Fri 14 Jan 11
nasrudin
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1:18pm Fri 14 Jan 11
:)
Stelvio
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1:22pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:You are kidding right? I am absolutely certain that there many times more arrogant car drivers "who pay their road tax" endangering other road users and pedestrians than cyclists.
What an idiot. Not because he stopped the bus but because he seems to think the driver will be able to hear him through the windscreen. Pretty typical of a lot of cyclists really - treating the rest of us as an nuisance. Why inconvenience all those bus passengers? Arrogant cyclists like this seem to forget we're all equal participants in the same world.
To be honest those who bash the cycling community - the majority of whom are law abiding people - are just a bit tiresome....
security word "lead-town" about sums it up really? ;-)
David of York
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1:32pm Fri 14 Jan 11
level-headed
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1:39pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Jennifer Hunter
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1:41pm Fri 14 Jan 11
sheddie
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1:42pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Ihudson
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1:42pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Bigwood
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1:47pm Fri 14 Jan 11
As both a cyclist and car owner I find the attitude of some drivers towards cyclists dreadful, especially some of the First York bus drivers. I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been run over by the FTR buses on Tadcaster Road!
I was cycling down there the other day and a First bus had cut the corner coming off the Tesco roundabout and smashed the traffic light down, thats professional driving for you!
whatsnormal
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1:49pm Fri 14 Jan 11
BioLogic
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2:06pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Pete the Brickie wrote:He has just come out of M&S having bought some knickers....... and he thought he better get them in a twist......?
This is better than a guess the caption game. I think it is pedalling paul, he has just come out of M & S having bought some knickers and has some time to kill so he is talking to the bus driver about trains, LTP's and sustainable something or other. The bus driver would not normally listen to such drivel but is fascinated by the strange two wheeled object pp is pushing as, as a cyclist myself I know he has never bloody seen one before.
piemagico
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2:36pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Mike Hock1
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2:37pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Mr Udigawa
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2:43pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Remove the Cycling Hub immediately
rustychain
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2:48pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Some of the First York drivers treat cyclists with an unhealthy degree of contempt.
I'd like to think I follow the rules of the road (bike lights, stoping at red etc), but I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been taken out by FY drivers. Like the lad in the picture, I've also stopped the odd bus in this way. A few minutes delay is much better than the delay and heartache that would result following a fatality.
In other European countries, the driver is considered at fault if they hit a cyclist, pretty much regardless of circumstances. The sooner such legislation gets introduced here the better. It's the only way I can see drivers attitudes being changed....
I think I know the ID of the cyclist due to his unique looking bike, but I'm not going to identify him on here - I wouldn't be suprised if the rozzers tried to prosecute him for some offence or other and let the bus driver off scott free.
Thisisnotasmile
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2:56pm Fri 14 Jan 11
rustychain wrote:Sorry, what? Why shouldn't the bus driver get off scott free? From what I can see, the bus driver is driving a bus and some imbecile is standing in the middle of the road in front of him with a bike. What do you suggest the bus driver should be charged with?
Good on him!!!
Some of the First York drivers treat cyclists with an unhealthy degree of contempt.
I'd like to think I follow the rules of the road (bike lights, stoping at red etc), but I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been taken out by FY drivers. Like the lad in the picture, I've also stopped the odd bus in this way. A few minutes delay is much better than the delay and heartache that would result following a fatality.
In other European countries, the driver is considered at fault if they hit a cyclist, pretty much regardless of circumstances. The sooner such legislation gets introduced here the better. It's the only way I can see drivers attitudes being changed....
I think I know the ID of the cyclist due to his unique looking bike, but I'm not going to identify him on here - I wouldn't be suprised if the rozzers tried to prosecute him for some offence or other and let the bus driver off scott free.
pedalling paul
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3:00pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Aunt Dess
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3:00pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Mike Hock1 wrote:But unlike you Mike, the other Mike gets paid for it ;-)
some great comments on here!!! its funny how pp hasnt commented yet?? what a life it must be been an evening press reporter just sit around all day, writing about complete rubbish and topics which have no or little relevence....
Soothsayer17
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3:02pm Fri 14 Jan 11
oldgoat wrote:Moan, moan, f***ing moan.
Neither the cyclist’s identity nor the reason for his protest is not known.Sorry, what? This is a triple negative. I think. This is also utter non-news at its finest, since there is nothing to report. Certainly less than the traffic jam on Monday evening when that FTR crashed into another bus on Coppergate and caused some serious holdups for a while!
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Change the record or find another site.
councilsconscience
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3:05pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Mr Udigawa wrote:I'll bid 65 comments but 64 of them will come from the same 4 people!!
Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.
spiritofyork
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3:08pm Fri 14 Jan 11
That is all. Carry on hate-mongerers...
Mr Udigawa
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3:08pm Fri 14 Jan 11
councilsconscience wrote:You're right, I'll try not to bump them up.
Mr Udigawa wrote: Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.I'll bid 65 comments but 64 of them will come from the same 4 people!!
Bill Obviouslymadeupname
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3:08pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Mr Udigawa
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3:10pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Mr Udigawa wrote:Artificially ;-)
councilsconscience wrote:You're right, I'll try not to bump them up.Mr Udigawa wrote: Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.I'll bid 65 comments but 64 of them will come from the same 4 people!!
Woody Mellor
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3:13pm Fri 14 Jan 11
I hate cyclists when I'm in my car!
Littlepoo
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3:13pm Fri 14 Jan 11
David of York wrote:Love it!!!!
York's answer to the Tiananmen Square protests.
Lineker's Lad
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3:19pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Mr Udigawa
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3:20pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Woody Mellor wrote:What about when you're sat on a bus on Picadilly?
I hate motorists when I'm on my bike! I hate cyclists when I'm in my car!
nasrudin
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3:46pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Best. Comment. Ever.
:D
ndevr
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4:02pm Fri 14 Jan 11
rustychain wrote:Isn't obstruction of the highway an offence?.
Good on him!!!
Some of the First York drivers treat cyclists with an unhealthy degree of contempt.
I'd like to think I follow the rules of the road (bike lights, stoping at red etc), but I've lost count of the number of times I've nearly been taken out by FY drivers. Like the lad in the picture, I've also stopped the odd bus in this way. A few minutes delay is much better than the delay and heartache that would result following a fatality.
In other European countries, the driver is considered at fault if they hit a cyclist, pretty much regardless of circumstances. The sooner such legislation gets introduced here the better. It's the only way I can see drivers attitudes being changed....
I think I know the ID of the cyclist due to his unique looking bike, but I'm not going to identify him on here - I wouldn't be suprised if the rozzers tried to prosecute him for some offence or other and let the bus driver off scott free.
mr york
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4:39pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Or is it because they are simply above the law as they belive they are ?
nasrudin
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4:49pm Fri 14 Jan 11
I've never had a problem with cyclists when I drive in York: perhaps it's the way you drive if you experience it every day?
Walking through the city centre during the day however, yes, at times I'd like a stick to poke through the front spokes... Ditto at red traffic lights. Having said that, I think you've got to differentiate between "most cyclists", (including most commuters and hobbyists ) and the small minority of "pillocks on bikes" (mainly schoolkids and chavs) who annoy everyone by being inconsiderate.
Mike Hock1
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4:55pm Fri 14 Jan 11
pedalling paul wrote:you not wanting to speculate?!! dont you mean your worried a fellow cyclist jockey may find out that you mugged him off and your scared he may track you down and knock your chain off?
Always two sides to every story. The bus driver will need to be interviewed by his employer and perhaps NY police. Also the cyclist if identifiable. I will not speculate either way, in case prosecution ensues.
alfie
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5:07pm Fri 14 Jan 11
mr york
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5:14pm Fri 14 Jan 11
nasrudin
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5:22pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Dante
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6:01pm Fri 14 Jan 11
on..........."the cyclist had been weaving through traffic when the bus pulled out after indicating"
Anyone who drives, sooner or later meets these tossers who weave in and out, nearside to offside to suit themselves with little ot no thought for the drivers of more cumbersome vehicles with less all round visibility. But, I'm on my bike, YOU give me space........if I'd have been the bus driver, He's have moved, believe me, I#d have dragged the idiot to the path, him and his nice bike. These are the people who give ammunition to our resident cycle hater Mr Usherwood
GBTYZ
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6:27pm Fri 14 Jan 11
holyroller
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6:52pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Dante wrote:Dante,
As a cyclist, a motorcylist and a car driver, I have little sympathy for the cyclist.........reas
on..........."the cyclist had been weaving through traffic when the bus pulled out after indicating"
Anyone who drives, sooner or later meets these tossers who weave in and out, nearside to offside to suit themselves with little ot no thought for the drivers of more cumbersome vehicles with less all round visibility. But, I'm on my bike, YOU give me space........if I'd have been the bus driver, He's have moved, believe me, I#d have dragged the idiot to the path, him and his nice bike. These are the people who give ammunition to our resident cycle hater Mr Usherwood
This is Picadilly, there is nowhere to weave.
It's the quote from FY as told by their driver. It's a straight road with Bus Stops either side set off the riding line.
Far more likely he was simply pulled out on.
PDH
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6:57pm Fri 14 Jan 11
pedalling paul wrote:Oh PP Why should the driver be interviewed? The cyclist just rode off and up to now has not put a complaint in, would this be because he was at fault?
Always two sides to every story. The bus driver will need to be interviewed by his employer and perhaps NY police. Also the cyclist if identifiable. I will not speculate either way, in case prosecution ensues.
More than likely a nutcase cyclist that thinks as most cyclists do that the road belongs to them, even though they pay nothing towards the costs.
If it was a car driver doing that to a cyclist you would want them hung.
Biggles Breaks his Silence
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6:59pm Fri 14 Jan 11
All we need now is a photo of PP in his fume belching bus to back it up..
nasrudin
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7:14pm Fri 14 Jan 11
TBH, if First York told me the sky was blue I'd stick my head out of the window to check.
holyroller
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7:21pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Roads are paid for from general taxation.
PDH
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7:26pm Fri 14 Jan 11
holyroller wrote:Oh i take it there must be a road tax for cyclists then is there? And what other costs are there for cyclists that pay for the up keep to our roads?
Cyclists pay just as much towards the cost of upkeep of the roads. In fact for those who also own cars just decide not to clog the city centre with them they pay as much as anyone else but use the roads less. Roads are paid for from general taxation.
deuteronomy
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7:46pm Fri 14 Jan 11
And for moving the n06 stop in theatre royal - what on earth is that all about? theyve moved it back away from the shelter right onto the entrance to the pull in.
Optimus
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8:15pm Fri 14 Jan 11
oppergate for the green man. On the green man appearing I started to cross the road, shortly after I started across the road the bus set off and driver gave me some very strange looks as to why I crossed in front of him. The Red light directly ahead of him clearly meant nothing, why he took the green man as a legal go ahead to set off I don't know. If this is the high standards that FY probably expect from their drivers representing the company then surely questions need to be asked. I don't condone this person actions holding up traffic in this way down what is a busy street especially as was pointed out if emergency vehicles needed urgent access through but can understand the frustrations of being pulled out in front of, if that is in fact what happened.
Sorry, essay now over!
nasrudin
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9:01pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Roads are paid for out of general taxation. Cyclists have as much right to use them as motorists!
MCWM
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9:34pm Fri 14 Jan 11
PDH wrote:Not very informed are you PDH? There is no such thing as road tax, Vehicle Excise Duty is a levy on cars dependant on their CO2 output and goes direct to central government, it is not ring fenced for road maintenance. Toyota Prius/classic cars etc. are pay no VED so should they have fewer rights to use the road too? Lets make it nice and simple so you can understand, repeat after me "There is no such thing a road tax, There is no such thing as road tax. There is no such thing as road tax" ;-)
holyroller wrote: Cyclists pay just as much towards the cost of upkeep of the roads. In fact for those who also own cars just decide not to clog the city centre with them they pay as much as anyone else but use the roads less. Roads are paid for from general taxation.Oh i take it there must be a road tax for cyclists then is there? And what other costs are there for cyclists that pay for the up keep to our roads?
p.s. I'm not condoning the cyclist's or the bus driver's behaviour. This whole anti-cycling/anti-ca
r argument is soooooo tired (although it seems to be the mainstay of the comments on this site). Everyone is just trying to get somewhere. Relax people.
PKH
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10:12pm Fri 14 Jan 11
moneyforwhat
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10:14pm Fri 14 Jan 11
TooRelaxed is dead now
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10:19pm Fri 14 Jan 11
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Incredible the level of hate being spewed out here and the distance between what the story says and what the comments say.
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It's a simple road rage incident. It makes no odds whether the guy's on a bike or driving a skip wagon. It's one cyclist, we can't judge every other cyclist on this one incident nor can we judge every other bus driver on the same.
There are indeed two sides to every story and we here do not have the facts at our disposal.
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The bloke obviously got angry enough to take some action, let's hope he comes forward to give us his version.
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You know, it is fact that there are dangerous First drivers who single out cyclists and act out personal grudges against them seemingly oblivious to the gravity of their actions - I've witnessed it first hand and it's totally unacceptable, been threatened and everything, but I've also witnessed idiots on bikes with scant regard to life limb or law, like the two kids on BMX who rode out at Nessgate in front of a taxi and a First bus today, both drivers were understandably terrified - who would want that tragedy on their conscience, or at the least a damaged wing to pay for with no recourse to the culprit?
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We must stop unnecessarily creating the prejudice. Bus driver, cyclist, pedestrian should all walk/ drive/ ride a mile in each others shoes.
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What am I some sort of hopeless utopian hippie? Platitudes are easy when you're already dead!
Peace out brothers and sisters!
Yorkie-Clifton
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10:21pm Fri 14 Jan 11
The Police are very cautious of taking them to task . Its a disgrace .
TooRelaxed is dead now
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10:21pm Fri 14 Jan 11
mystic_genius
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10:44pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Mr Udigawa wrote:Inside knowledge??!!
Shall we start a sweep on the number of comments on this article by the end of the day? I'll start with 64.
Thisisnotasmile
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11:09pm Fri 14 Jan 11
pedalling paul
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11:20pm Fri 14 Jan 11
Yorkie-Clifton wrote:What an utterly stupid and banal comment. Suggest we all wait for a Court to decide who is guilty.
This is typical of the Cycling Fraternity . They have been given this confidence by CoYC to believe that they own the roads- pavements and cycle lanes . They are above the Law and have special care from Galloway . wowowowwowo. The Police are very cautious of taking them to task . Its a disgrace .
roadwars
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12:01am Sat 15 Jan 11
DJS83
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12:06am Sat 15 Jan 11
Yorkie-Clifton wrote:So you are saying that cyclists don't have a right to cycle paths? The reason they were put they were for cyclists. I cycle to work and got all the gear (lights, luminous clothing) and stick to lights and highway code etc. Should I not be allowed to have the right to the facilities put in place for people like me? Instead on my way to work going down Bootham I have to put up with people who are driving along in the cycle lane for no reason. I also drive by the way.
This is typical of the Cycling Fraternity . They have been given this confidence by CoYC to believe that they own the roads- pavements and cycle lanes . They are above the Law and have special care from Galloway . wowowowwowo. The Police are very cautious of taking them to task . Its a disgrace .
Head of Bomber Command
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12:52am Sat 15 Jan 11
I need a couple of anadin after trying to divulge that lot.
AngryandFrustrated
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1:48am Sat 15 Jan 11
Head of Bomber Command wrote:i don't disagree but you must admit that some of the earlier comments were amusing, bordering on hilarious!
FFS I can't believe I have trawled through all that B****x. Some of you lot want to get a life. I need a couple of anadin after trying to divulge that lot.
Mr Udigawa
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8:25am Sat 15 Jan 11
TooRelaxed is dead now wrote:Thwarted when the winning line was in sight!
PS 64! 64! 64! Mr Udigawa's sweep entry is so gonna be passed...
I liked PP's retort at 11:20, I don't think he's ever been that aggressive before, must have been down the Fox for half a Tetleys.
Hackney Lee
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8:57am Sat 15 Jan 11
Eborwatch
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9:10am Sat 15 Jan 11
nowthen
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9:36am Sat 15 Jan 11
greenmonkey
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9:50am Sat 15 Jan 11
greenmonkey
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10:01am Sat 15 Jan 11
Thisisnotasmile wrote:Lawful excuse Im sure extends to securing the drivers details after an alleged incident of driving carelessly, endangering the lives of other road users. I hope that one or more of the bus passengers are willing to come forward if they saw what happened. It cant be easy driving a bus in York, so cyclists do have to have their wits about them.If they are in the wrong drivers should be willing to apologise - the driver might have done but its rare in my experience. When I have complained in the past First have promised to interview the driver but you never hear anything more as they are not going to admit to being wrong in writing!
section 137 of the Highways Act 1980: "(1) If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence "
Mr Udigawa
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10:28am Sat 15 Jan 11
nowthen wrote:If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me.
Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.
Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)!
Thisisnotasmile
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10:43am Sat 15 Jan 11
Mr Udigawa wrote:Why shouldn't cyclists have to wear helmets? Motorists have to wear seatbelts. They're both measures for the user's own safety, and seeing as cyclists are at more risk than motorists, don't you think it would be a good idea to protect yourself from possible severe injuries?
nowthen wrote:If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me.
Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.
Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)!
Mr Udigawa
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10:51am Sat 15 Jan 11
Thisisnotasmile wrote:There are various arguments for and against the compulsory wearing of Cycle helmets, but the top and bottom of the matter is that I don't want to look even more of a tw4t than I do now, and Cycle helmets certainly add that special something to a persons appearance don't you think?
Mr Udigawa wrote:Why shouldn't cyclists have to wear helmets? Motorists have to wear seatbelts. They're both measures for the user's own safety, and seeing as cyclists are at more risk than motorists, don't you think it would be a good idea to protect yourself from possible severe injuries?nowthen wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)!
Worth the risk in my opinion.
Thisisnotasmile
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11:03am Sat 15 Jan 11
Mr Udigawa
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11:08am Sat 15 Jan 11
Thisisnotasmile wrote:Yep.
You're so vain that you're willing to risk serious head injuries... wow.
topumpire1
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11:41am Sat 15 Jan 11
pedalling paul
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12:06pm Sat 15 Jan 11
Mr Udigawa wrote:No longer a Tetley's drinker...more of a wine guru these days....and no I never wear a cycle helmet while riding for leisure or utility journeys. But not the main topic of this thread.......
nowthen wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)!
Hanspan
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1:46pm Sat 15 Jan 11
roadwars wrote:So true, so true!
It's clear that the cyclist was passing the bus when it pulled out, otherwise there's no way he could have ended up in front of it. "the bus driver indicated" so what! it's about time bus drivers realised that they have to look too before pulling out on bikes, motorbikes, cars...
Acomblady
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2:59pm Sat 15 Jan 11
Joffey
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3:10pm Sat 15 Jan 11
moneyforwhat
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3:35pm Sat 15 Jan 11
pedalling paul wrote:spelling error noted...whine guru
Mr Udigawa wrote:No longer a Tetley's drinker...more of a wine guru these days....and no I never wear a cycle helmet while riding for leisure or utility journeys. But not the main topic of this thread.......nowthen wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)!
sometimes i tell the truth
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4:18pm Sat 15 Jan 11
What?! You took the bait and assumed it was a traffic incident?
zexbom
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5:52pm Sat 15 Jan 11
Also as a part time cyclist who obeys the laws of the road, I must add that Bus Drivers from First do have a tendancy to not see cyclists. I have been knocked off once and splashed by puddles from them on several occasions. Why they couldnt have waited the 2 seconds for when they could have passed safely I do not know...
This isnt the first time the customer servise of First York has been put up for review
nowthen
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7:01pm Sat 15 Jan 11
pedalling paul wrote:I know it's not the main topic of these posts but don't you think it's sensible to protect that most important part of your anatomy? In a contest between kerb edge and the human cranium I know who's going to be the winner. Aren't you afraid of becoming a cabbage mumbling the same old words over and over again ? ........erm ! .......just a minute !
Mr Udigawa wrote:No longer a Tetley's drinker...more of a wine guru these days....and no I never wear a cycle helmet while riding for leisure or utility journeys. But not the main topic of this thread.......
nowthen wrote: Ha ha ha same old cyclist vs motorist tedium. I'm doing something positive instead ; something that will save lives and reduce serious injury. I'm lobbying my MP to make the wearing of helmets compulsory for cyclists. You know it makes sense.If that ever becomes law, its bye bye Bike for me. Prepare yourself for a lecture by PP, (brace yourself though, it appears he was on a bender last night)!
again
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7:59pm Sat 15 Jan 11
The reason is that they apparently need the road more than you do and have ways of getting it.
m dee
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8:59am Sun 16 Jan 11
MCWM wrote:Reading your posting you must be a very close relative of P.P ,you both use the same key phrases when describing Vehicle Excise Duty very Bizarre.
PDH wrote:Not very informed are you PDH? There is no such thing as road tax, Vehicle Excise Duty is a levy on cars dependant on their CO2 output and goes direct to central government, it is not ring fenced for road maintenance. Toyota Prius/classic cars etc. are pay no VED so should they have fewer rights to use the road too? Lets make it nice and simple so you can understand, repeat after me "There is no such thing a road tax, There is no such thing as road tax. There is no such thing as road tax" ;-)
holyroller wrote: Cyclists pay just as much towards the cost of upkeep of the roads. In fact for those who also own cars just decide not to clog the city centre with them they pay as much as anyone else but use the roads less. Roads are paid for from general taxation.Oh i take it there must be a road tax for cyclists then is there? And what other costs are there for cyclists that pay for the up keep to our roads?
p.s. I'm not condoning the cyclist's or the bus driver's behaviour. This whole anti-cycling/anti-ca
r argument is soooooo tired (although it seems to be the mainstay of the comments on this site). Everyone is just trying to get somewhere. Relax people.
At least we now know the cause of congestion in York its Buses and Cyclists.
Silver
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4:35pm Sun 16 Jan 11
Silver
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4:35pm Sun 16 Jan 11
JzG
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7:06pm Mon 17 Jan 11
Magicman!
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2:53am Tue 18 Jan 11
Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:Shame a lot of motorists can't have the mirrored viewpoint of this towards cyclists: ie as "equal participants in the same road" as opposed to just being a nuisance that delays their progress by 5 seconds.
What an idiot. Not because he stopped the bus but because he seems to think the driver will be able to hear him through the windscreen. Pretty typical of a lot of cyclists really - treating the rest of us as an nuisance. Why inconvenience all those bus passengers? Arrogant cyclists like this seem to forget we're all equal participants in the same world.
Looking at the picture, I'd suggest that the bus (remember this is a FIRST bus) would have started pulling out of a bay stop and only put on the indicator whilst moving... the cyclist would likely have been beside the bus as the vehicle started moving.
I've had it happen myself with cars and buses, some driver don't seem to know what those reflective bits of glass at the sides of their vehicles are for.
Whoreallycares
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6:30pm Tue 18 Jan 11
Magicman! wrote:Not like you to slate a First bus!!!!
Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:Shame a lot of motorists can't have the mirrored viewpoint of this towards cyclists: ie as "equal participants in the same road" as opposed to just being a nuisance that delays their progress by 5 seconds.
What an idiot. Not because he stopped the bus but because he seems to think the driver will be able to hear him through the windscreen. Pretty typical of a lot of cyclists really - treating the rest of us as an nuisance. Why inconvenience all those bus passengers? Arrogant cyclists like this seem to forget we're all equal participants in the same world.
Looking at the picture, I'd suggest that the bus (remember this is a FIRST bus) would have started pulling out of a bay stop and only put on the indicator whilst moving... the cyclist would likely have been beside the bus as the vehicle started moving.
I've had it happen myself with cars and buses, some driver don't seem to know what those reflective bits of glass at the sides of their vehicles are for.
Must be the only thing near to pleasure you can get.
The things that turn some people on!
Mr Udigawa
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12:23pm Wed 19 Jan 11
yo30 dan
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6:35pm Wed 19 Jan 11
Get you helmets on bikers, it's war out there....
Mr Udigawa
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8:31am Thu 20 Jan 11
yo30 dan wrote:You need to count them again Dan, and maybe check your paranoia gland.....
100 comments of 2-wheel hatred!! Get you helmets on bikers, it's war out there....
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9:08am Thu 20 Jan 11
TooRelaxed is dead now wrote:Very well said!
Have to agree with MCWM, the hate between car and cycle is tired. Not only that but it's wrong and dangerous. . Incredible the level of hate being spewed out here and the distance between what the story says and what the comments say. . It's a simple road rage incident. It makes no odds whether the guy's on a bike or driving a skip wagon. It's one cyclist, we can't judge every other cyclist on this one incident nor can we judge every other bus driver on the same. There are indeed two sides to every story and we here do not have the facts at our disposal. . The bloke obviously got angry enough to take some action, let's hope he comes forward to give us his version. . You know, it is fact that there are dangerous First drivers who single out cyclists and act out personal grudges against them seemingly oblivious to the gravity of their actions - I've witnessed it first hand and it's totally unacceptable, been threatened and everything, but I've also witnessed idiots on bikes with scant regard to life limb or law, like the two kids on BMX who rode out at Nessgate in front of a taxi and a First bus today, both drivers were understandably terrified - who would want that tragedy on their conscience, or at the least a damaged wing to pay for with no recourse to the culprit? . We must stop unnecessarily creating the prejudice. Bus driver, cyclist, pedestrian should all walk/ drive/ ride a mile in each others shoes. . What am I some sort of hopeless utopian hippie? Platitudes are easy when you're already dead! Peace out brothers and sisters!
I am a motorist (own 2 vehicles), cyclist and bus-user. I used to ride a motorbike but gave it up as being too much at the mercy of other road users. Cyclists (and pedestrians) are also especially vulnerable in this way and us motor vehicles users should treat them and each other with care and not turn our vehicles into instruments of death.
yo30 dan
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5:45pm Fri 21 Jan 11
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=9kkBj3hv8
bk
I should also add that this will NEVER happen in York!!
Splat
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4:53pm Tue 1 Feb 11
riding without lights. through red traffic lights, on pavments. making right turns where prohibated. ridding on pavments !!! why cos NYPA allow them to york is lawless where Cyclist's are concerned.
bring back capital punishment for all Cyclist
Yorkie-Clifton
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6:25pm Tue 1 Feb 11
Splat wrote:My sentiments indeed .
The majority of Cyclist are a menace. 99.99% commit some kind of offence,
riding without lights. through red traffic lights, on pavments. making right turns where prohibated. ridding on pavments !!! why cos NYPA allow them to york is lawless where Cyclist's are concerned.
bring back capital punishment for all Cyclist
I only disagree with the punishment .
How will they be brought to justice if the Police disregard the offence . I have tried to reprimand them but i don't understand the reply s i get . Things like F -off and silly old C-. Plus many other verbal s . This is Cycle City . hahahahah
Ignatius Lumpopo says...
12:42pm Fri 14 Jan 11