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Files on thousands of innocent people held on North Yorkshire Police database

TENS of thousands of people who have never even been linked with an offence are on a secret North Yorkshire Police database, The Press can reveal.

Details of more than 180,000 people are on the force’s information management system, despite only a fraction being even suspected of any crime.

Privacy campaigners have condemned the force, after an investigation by The Press found information on innocent informants was stored along with that of suspects and vulnerable complainants.

The database contains information on 38,259 suspects and 181,917 people who have simply reported information.

Police staff have been told to routinely ask callers for their date of birth and ethnicity, so they can be added to the “niche” database. A force spokesman defended its use of the database, saying it was in line with national guidance and saying that people could opt not to give the information asked for.

But Gus Hosein, policy director of Privacy International, said such harvesting of information “absolutely does not happen” in other countries and said it could damage the force’s reputation.

He said: “I cannot understand what kind of relationship they are trying to establish with the public, where now a member of the public has to worry about approaching the police for fear of being put on a database with suspects.

“This is unheard of in the western world. I do not know who the hell thought this was a good idea.”

Phil Booth, national coordinator of the campaign group No2ID, said he was “utterly outraged” and called on the force to state its legal basis for collecting and storing such data.

The Press asked North Yorkshire Police on July 28 to state the legislation under which it runs the database, but although it acknowledged the question the force has yet to answer it.

North Yorkshire Police began using the niche records management system in 2005, since when it has been used to record information on people and incidents.

An investigation by The Press has found the database also has 107,566 people recorded as aggrieved or “vulnerable aggrieved” people.

Police said the figures may include some duplication, but Mr Hosein said that showed the system was “an absolute mess”.

He said: “Want to report a crime? Beware, the police may add you to an intelligence file. Want to ask a question? Beware, the police may file it. If it talks, record it; if it breathes, record it; if it questions us, deny it. I never thought this would happen here.”

Mr Booth said: “This is a database that intermingles criminal suspects with victims with random members of the public. There is potential for some sort of mix-up, even aside from the fact they should not be doing it in the first place.”

He said he also said he feared the data could be made available to police nationwide, as forces began uploading more and more information to the national police computer systems.

The information came to light following a Freedom of Information Act request by The Press. The force initially refused to provide the information requested, but provided some of it after an appeal by the newspaper.


Force: ‘Better records keeping’

A spokesman for North Yorkshire Police said: “In line with the national Management of Police Information, known as MoPI, guidance, issued to all police forces, call takers in the control rooms ask for a caller’s details is to ensure that the information stored is accurate, adequate, relevant and retained for the correct amount of time.

“Members of the public who contact us are not compelled to give any personal details.

“However, the more information that someone is prepared to share with us the better our records keeping will be.

“This, in turn, allows us ensure that when someone contacts us more than once we do not create unnecessary records or attribute the information to the wrong person.”

Comments(16)

Zetkin says...
10:54am Wed 11 Aug 10

Oh well, at least Experian will know where to go for extra help in spying on us.

taken for a mug says...
11:24am Wed 11 Aug 10

Why is it the Public not given the opportunity to opt out of having your information stored on these shared databases? the only one I can think of was the recent NHS request where you could opt out?

The whole Experian thing is frightning, now they have a foot in the door with this government as official 'bounty hunters' expect Big Brother to gather pace!

j35t3r says...
12:29pm Wed 11 Aug 10

Shock...horror.

Police hold information on people who contact them or whom they come in to contact with!!

What a non-story!

AngryandFrustrated says...
12:37pm Wed 11 Aug 10

j35t3r wrote:
Shock...horror. Police hold information on people who contact them or whom they come in to contact with!! What a non-story!
Mock as you may, but you will no doubt feel differently should you ever become a "victim" of this - what happens if this information is interpreted in such a way that you end up being a suspect in a case, just because you fit the "profile" of the criminal? Having had cause to make several reports to the police over the last couple of years, and having assisted them in identifying an offender, I am very perturbed to learn that my details (and God knows what else) will have been stored by them. If NYP had nothing to hide, why have they been obstructive in releasing info to the Press?

Big Brother is definitely alive and well and is watching you!

j35t3r says...
1:09pm Wed 11 Aug 10

The police by law have to hold information on who reports incidents to them. How are they supposed to identify repeat victims, such as those who suffer from anti-social behaviour, domestic violence, repeat burglaries etc. You may suggest holding this information elsewhere, but having information stored in many different locations is only likely to bring about more incidents where vital information is missed, leading to incidents such as Soham.

alfie says...
1:16pm Wed 11 Aug 10

I wonder if this is an attempt to put people off reporting crimes, do the North Yorkshire police need to bring the crime figures down on the annual reports.

I wont be reporting anything unless its for my benefit now.

Yorkshire Volunteer says...
2:01pm Wed 11 Aug 10

Yes, mock indeed at our peril !

In our age when we are spied on like never before and such as CRB cheks refer to local police recoords items either taken out of context or offered irrelevantly can mean the loss of employment - and with no recourse to damages from the police for losing your job (or job offer).
Not only that, we have no influence upon the management of the police to hold them back from these self indulgent practices.
Maybe some hefty government inspired finane cuts will cause them to have to prioritise and stop this disgraceful practice.

AngryandFrustrated says...
2:06pm Wed 11 Aug 10

j35t3r wrote:
The police by law have to hold information on who reports incidents to them. How are they supposed to identify repeat victims, such as those who suffer from anti-social behaviour, domestic violence, repeat burglaries etc. You may suggest holding this information elsewhere, but having information stored in many different locations is only likely to bring about more incidents where vital information is missed, leading to incidents such as Soham.
That I don't dispute - however, I have not been a "victim" of crime, I have been a witness who, for whatever reason, happened to be in the wrong place at the right time, as far as the Police were concerned. As it was me that witnessed the events, I fall into the "innocent informers" catagory and therefore, I see no reason for my details to be held.

Furthermore, I think that your argument is a little flawed when you refer to the Soham murders - Ian Huntley had previously been arrested as a CRIMINAL and not as a victim and holding the details of criminals i have no problem with!

j35t3r says...
3:28pm Wed 11 Aug 10

AngryandFrustrated. Just apply for them to be removed. Anyway, I'm sure we won't hear from you for a while since NYP will no doubt be breaking your door down to falsely arrest you based upon you providing them with your telephone number and address! Personally I don't mind the information being held, you give more information to the likes of Tesco when you sign up for a loyalty card. No doubt you don't have any of them.....

Ben Guela says...
4:05pm Wed 11 Aug 10

There should a ball for the secret police.

Cost Accountant says...
4:33pm Wed 11 Aug 10

If the police are able to better look after the public at large, why not hold these sort of details. Other less reputable organisations do.
Some people are just too sensitive.

Cost Accountant says...
4:33pm Wed 11 Aug 10

If the police are able to better look after the public at large, why not hold these sort of details. Other less reputable organisations do.
Some people are just too sensitive.

Hel n Highwater says...
5:11pm Wed 11 Aug 10

alfie wrote:
I wonder if this is an attempt to put people off reporting crimes, do the North Yorkshire police need to bring the crime figures down on the annual reports. I wont be reporting anything unless its for my benefit now.
Blimey Alfie - what benefit do you expect by reporting a crime? Would you only now do so if there's a reward?

Digeorge says...
6:02pm Wed 11 Aug 10

I really wonder about Yorkshire Evening Press sometimes, isn't this how North Yorkshire Police solve crimes and they are just doing their job?

King Edward says...
12:19am Thu 12 Aug 10

They also share this database with the councils. Now will people realise why we don't trust the authorities and they shouldn't either. It's not a conspiracy now it's proven correct and out in the open! The floodgates are opening and government is going to be troubled.

level-headed says...
12:54am Thu 12 Aug 10

Why are people so outraged by this? Half the stuff you buy these days requires you to give your details. Would you be outraged if you bought a new car, and a year later, you got a letter from the garage offering you a first service. Would you be outraged if you bought a washing machine and were subsequently offered extended warranty by phonecall or letter? I suspect not. This is not about conspiracies or secrets, it is about filing relevant information. Victims of crime have been recorded by the police since time began, as have the details of those who report incidents or request police assistance. The details are marked accordingly e.g. 'aggrieved' as stated so it's not like it's just a lucky dip of names for the cops to pin stuff on. People need to get real.....unless they've got something to hide of course....... (P.S. NEWSFLASH the NHS have got your details too... :-O

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