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Frustration over speed camera delays


YORK’S transport boss has criticised police over delays in introducing speed cameras into the city and has demanded crunch talks to thrash out a potential timetable.

Coun Steve Galloway, York council’s executive member for city strategy, says the lack of progress since the issue was last discussed six months ago is a major concern, and police need to use the training they have been given in mobile speed cameras.

City of York and North Yorkshire County Councils have agreed in principle to look at whether the devices could be used as they try to cut the number of deaths and serious injuries on the region’s roads.

Now Coun Galloway says he wants to meet the Chief Constable of North Yorkshire, Grahame Maxwell, to discuss how the scheme can be implemented. He said he wants to address how neighbourhood policing teams can use VASCAR-type systems, which determine whether drivers are breaking the law by calculating their average speed between two points, in areas where communities feel there are speeding problems.

Council officers have said that while there are no suitable sites in North Yorkshire for fixed cameras, mobile alternatives could be set up at 28 locations, including three in York, and bringing them in could prevent 31 people being killed or seriously injured in the space of four years. The scheme could cost between £3.1 million and £3.6 million across the region in the first four years of its operation.

Coun Galloway said: “I still believe that mobile safety cameras should be a technique available to the police.

“It enables them to target known accident blackspots where excessive speed may a contributory factor to the severity of accidents.

“We have made excellent progress over the last two years in reducing the number of serious road traffic accidents in the city by 36 per cent.

“We now need to keep up the momentum and ensure that aggressive or careless drivers are aware that sooner or later they will be identified.”

However a spokesman for North Yorkshire Police said: “Officers carry out speed enforcement as a routine part of their patrols. The VASCAR speed detection devices are currently being replaced as officers receive training in a new generation of devices that have a greater functionality. “We work with our partners to identify problem locations and carry out enforcement operations when and where appropriate.”

North Yorkshire is currently one of only a handful of UK areas without speed cameras.

• MORE than half a million pounds was collected in fines for speeding and traffic offences in North Yorkshire in a single year.

A national report collated by the Tax Payers’ Alliance shows that fines amounting to £537,509 were imposed in the region in 2008. In 2007 fines amounting to £390,739 were imposed.

Comments(22)

Smiler says...
8:55am Fri 9 Jul 10

These Simply do not work and are a complete waste of time and money.

By Law they have to publish where they are going to use them, this is very quickly update onto satnav systems. therefore the revenue is reduced.

Also after the first week, the locals will know that there may be a camera there as a known spot.

sammy07 says...
9:15am Fri 9 Jul 10

Yes sat nav is a handy tool for these. also my car has cruise control so for instance on the journey to hull yesterday after goin thru bishop burton i just set the cruise to 50 mph. and just sat there in the auto letting it drive it self./

Minsterview says...
9:56am Fri 9 Jul 10

The proposal and article refers to the use of mobile safety cameras.
The photo is of a fixed point speed camera

Jam tomorrow says...
11:00am Fri 9 Jul 10

They were using a mobile speed camera in New Lane, Huntington a couple of weeks ago.
You are not up to speed Mr Galloway.

Alucard says...
11:24am Fri 9 Jul 10

Para ""Council officers have said that while there are no suitable sites in North Yorkshire for fixed cameras,..."

If not in the whole of N. Yorks then why anywhere else?

MLewisW says...
12:09pm Fri 9 Jul 10

Is York not one of the most frustrating cities to drive around, without worrying about speed cameras? By its nature, most of York's roads are pretty slow moving because of narrow streets. Then again, it may slow taxi drivers down, who are, on a whole, driving lunatics!

AdmiralNN says...
12:11pm Fri 9 Jul 10

Jam tomorrow wrote:
They were using a mobile speed camera in New Lane, Huntington a couple of weeks ago. You are not up to speed Mr Galloway.
I got stung on Millfield lane about 2-3 months ago by a mobile camera.
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The police woman said that theyd got loads that morning, very jolly she was

smudge1 says...
12:25pm Fri 9 Jul 10

sammy07 wrote:
Yes sat nav is a handy tool for these. also my car has cruise control so for instance on the journey to hull yesterday after goin thru bishop burton i just set the cruise to 50 mph. and just sat there in the auto letting it drive it self./
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH get you with cruise control !!!!

Victor Smythe says...
12:32pm Fri 9 Jul 10

AdmiralNN wrote:
Jam tomorrow wrote:
They were using a mobile speed camera in New Lane, Huntington a couple of weeks ago. You are not up to speed Mr Galloway.
I got stung on Millfield lane about 2-3 months ago by a mobile camera.
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The police woman said that theyd got loads that morning, very jolly she was
...and had you killed or injured anyone? No I strongly suspect. Have there been an serious accidents on Millfield Lane in the last 5 years???

Just the police trying to justify their existence as usual.

BL2 says...
12:49pm Fri 9 Jul 10

Trying to make up for the lost car-parking revenue are they?

Silver says...
1:46pm Fri 9 Jul 10

When driving on the A64 a few weeks back I was overtaken by a young lad in what was obviously his first vehicle (Knackered) whilst remarking it was lucky I'd not been hit by him as he was driving very dangerously. 5 minutes later up the road a police car pulled off in front of me and then pulled him over. With our police force being that effective do we need cameras?

Princess Fluffy says...
2:27pm Fri 9 Jul 10

Galloway annoyed with the police. Doesn't the arrogant chap realise that the entire city are annoyed, sick to death and totally p'ed off with him.
Sooner he is gone the better for the future of York. He is a megalomaniac!

leninwasright says...
3:25pm Fri 9 Jul 10

Thus, to sum up: cameras are effective because they make people slow down; they are ineffective because people choose to ignore them and pay fines, whereby they become revenue-raising tools to make up for lost parking receipts. Hmm.

NoNewsIsGoodNews says...
4:31pm Fri 9 Jul 10

And while the rest of England is cutting back on spending for cameras, York CC want to buck that trend.
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Mullarkian says...
5:10pm Fri 9 Jul 10

Dead right Silver!
If only cameras were in operation and not an actual police car the lad would have continued on his merry way.

York43 says...
5:34pm Fri 9 Jul 10

Am I missing something?...York is grid-locked as the council keep putting in things like daft cycle schemes, etc so what use will speed cameras have? Hopefully they'll be set for vehicles travelling too slowly and then maybe the council will wake up and realise that their policy is completely wrong!...

York43 says...
5:34pm Fri 9 Jul 10

Am I missing something?...York is grid-locked as the council keep putting in things like daft cycle schemes, etc so what use will speed cameras have? Hopefully they'll be set for vehicles travelling too slowly and then maybe the council will wake up and realise that their policy is completely wrong!...

Finney144 says...
7:33pm Fri 9 Jul 10

How right is Princess Fluffy about Galloway. A 30 warning sign was installed on Boroughbridge for a few weeks recently, it spent more time illuminated than it did switched off. Is anything being done about it? Fat chance.

uglyboy says...
7:36pm Fri 9 Jul 10

If you are caught...Rather than a straight fine, an option should be to attend a road safety course, then maybe we'll have safer roads! AND, no, York isn't totally gridlocked, there are roads in York where it is possible to exceed 30 MPH.

King Edward says...
8:24pm Fri 9 Jul 10

Those in the know don't chance satnav or local knowledge and have a disrupter fitted, it's essentially a remote garage door opener that bounces the signal back to the speed gun causing the machine to recalibrate allowing you time to adjust your speed. So waste of money only to catch the few unwary muppets. Until all cars are fitted with real time GPS monitoring you won't make an impact on speeding.

Cold_as_Christmas says...
11:47pm Fri 9 Jul 10

You can't get rid of Galloway because the public keep voting him back in.
Mobile cameras are a drain on resources, meaning less police presence on the streets to catch the real villains.
If there are accident black spots then these should be designed out and until then adequate signage needs to be in place, I can't see what revenue camera's will do after the event.
I thought Ann Reid would have been booted out last time too but no...The public are to blame.

mystic_genius says...
4:50pm Mon 12 Jul 10

uglyboy wrote:
If you are caught...Rather than a straight fine, an option should be to attend a road safety course, then maybe we'll have safer roads! AND, no, York isn't totally gridlocked, there are roads in York where it is possible to exceed 30 MPH.
30mph is not an unsafe speed.
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I'm always amused by the signs in villages which say "Please Drive Slowly". As if it is somehow OK to drive 28mph, while looking out of the passenger window at the fittie in the bus stop, but not OK to be fully attentive driving at 32mph.
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There is a difference between driving quickly and driving unsafely. The sooner people realise this, the better.


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