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9:54am Wednesday 30th December 2009
THE priest at the centre of the storm about shoplifting has had a bucket of spaghetti and ravioli poured on him.
Father Tim Jones, the parish priest of St Lawrence and St Hilda, had finished his sermon on Sunday and left the church in Lawrence Street by the rear when Martin Stot threw a bucket of spaghetti and ravioli at him – a reference to Father Jones saying it was better for the hungry and desperate to steal tinned ravioli from a supermarket than to commit violent crime.
Mr Stot, 48, of Lawrence Street, said he filled the bucket with 30 cans of spaghetti and ravioli to throw over Father Jones as he felt the priest’s comments could encourage young people to steal.
He said: “One theft could be on their record for ten years. It would be difficult for them to get a job.
“I was just offended by what he said. I just got this thing in my head where I thought I would make my own little protest.”
Mr Stot, who did not want to show his full face in the picture above, said he bought the tinned food from Asda and hid the bucket in a phone box while he waited for Father Jones to emerge from the church.
When Father Jones came out, Mr Stot threw half of the bucket’s contents down Father Jones’s robes. He said the vicar then stopped to allow him to throw the rest of the spaghetti, although he did not. Mr Stot said he had considered whether his actions would be construed as assault, but decided that his protest was worth making.
Father Jones said it was initially very frightening until he realised Mr Stot meant him no physical harm. He would not be complaining to police.
He said: “It was a frightening and humbling experience, as was the intention. In conversation with the man afterwards, it emerged that his has been a very hard life indeed.
“Last week he saw a TV interview with me and had formed the mistaken belief that I was laughing at the poor and bereaved because I have family and money.”
The vicar, whose sermon was reported around the world after first being revealed in The Press, said when he realised Mr Stot did not intend to hurt him but humiliate him, he decided to stay where he was and let him continue.
Father Jones said he was surprised by the reaction of people to his original sermon, in which he said for the truly desperate and hungry it was better to shoplift from major supermarkets than commit violent crime against people to get money.
Trevor Martin, of St Lawrence’s parochial church council, said the spaghetti attack was “a bit of a stupid thing to do”.
He said he supported the vicar’s original sermon. “I agree with what he was trying to get over but maybe he could have come up with a different way of expressing himself.
“I would much rather that someone who had exhausted all the avenues available to them shoplifted something to keep them going rather than break into my house and attack my wife," he said.
nobodyknowswhoiam, says...
10:18am Wed 30 Dec 09
nobodyknowswhoiam, says...
10:19am Wed 30 Dec 09
1speedisalluneed wrote:you are kidding...right
I hope he gets charged for assault. No matter how hard his life has been or what his thoughts are on the subject nothing gives him the right to carry out an unprovoked attack of this nature? just shows the mentality of some people.
1speedisalluneed, everywhere & nowhere baby says...
10:22am Wed 30 Dec 09
nobodyknowswhoiam wrote:Nope.
1speedisalluneed wrote: I hope he gets charged for assault. No matter how hard his life has been or what his thoughts are on the subject nothing gives him the right to carry out an unprovoked attack of this nature? just shows the mentality of some people.you are kidding...right
Soothsayer17, York says...
10:23am Wed 30 Dec 09
nobodyknowswhoiam, says...
10:23am Wed 30 Dec 09
nobodyknowswhoiam, says...
10:24am Wed 30 Dec 09
Soothsayer17 wrote:tee hee, good one
Spaghetti and ravioli? . Guessing this is the Catholic response?
The Cat Amongst The Pigeons, Ye Olde Citee of Yorke says...
10:25am Wed 30 Dec 09
nobodyknowswhoiam wrote:It's widely considered that taking food from supermarkets to survive is theft, so yes, surely this is assault.
1speedisalluneed wrote:you are kidding...right
I hope he gets charged for assault. No matter how hard his life has been or what his thoughts are on the subject nothing gives him the right to carry out an unprovoked attack of this nature? just shows the mentality of some people.
1speedisalluneed, everywhere & nowhere baby says...
10:26am Wed 30 Dec 09
Soothsayer17 wrote:No its the vegetarian response, doesnt matter what he threw he still in my mind assaulted Father Jones. Had he thrown the same at a Police officer I imagine he would be in court today.
Spaghetti and ravioli? . Guessing this is the Catholic response?
nobodyknowswhoiam, says...
10:26am Wed 30 Dec 09
nobodyknowswhoiam, says...
10:27am Wed 30 Dec 09
1speedisalluneed wrote:Do you think he would? If he had a hard life and some probs??
Soothsayer17 wrote: Spaghetti and ravioli? . Guessing this is the Catholic response?No its the vegetarian response, doesnt matter what he threw he still in my mind assaulted Father Jones. Had he thrown the same at a Police officer I imagine he would be in court today.
1speedisalluneed, everywhere & nowhere baby says...
10:31am Wed 30 Dec 09
nobodyknowswhoiam wrote:Verbally, by letter, e mail or by spelling it out in alphabetti spaghetti are some ideas that spring to mind.
what would be the preferred way to get his point across??
nobodyknowswhoiam, says...
10:36am Wed 30 Dec 09
AdmiralNN, Nether Poppleton says...
10:44am Wed 30 Dec 09
nobodyknowswhoiam, says...
11:08am Wed 30 Dec 09
AdmiralNN wrote:That would be assault me thinks....
Just the look of Martin and the fact he did this just to get in the paper makes me want to punch him in the face.
scooterboy, york says...
11:08am Wed 30 Dec 09
A taxpayer, York says...
11:09am Wed 30 Dec 09
nobodyknowswhoiam, says...
11:13am Wed 30 Dec 09
TooRad, York says...
11:13am Wed 30 Dec 09
Zetkin, York says...
11:33am Wed 30 Dec 09
nobodyknowswhoiam, says...
11:46am Wed 30 Dec 09
1speedisalluneed, everywhere & nowhere baby says...
11:53am Wed 30 Dec 09
nobodyknowswhoiam wrote:I agree, Father Tim certainly came out as the more compassionate of the 2.
changed my view whilst reading all this....he was wrong to throw the spaghetti....not acceptable...Good on Fr Tim
redr, York says...
12:15pm Wed 30 Dec 09
Silver, York says...
12:49pm Wed 30 Dec 09
evelyn_trent, York says...
12:58pm Wed 30 Dec 09
1speedisalluneed, everywhere & nowhere baby says...
1:13pm Wed 30 Dec 09
Silver wrote:Spot on, couldn't have put it better myself.
Shouldn't the headline of this story be....Idiot doesn't understand full meaning of sermon so wastes money and credibility proving his stupidity? After all if he wanted to confront him couldn't he have just asked him to explain himself in full without using spaghetti? I think Father Tim would have happily invited him into the church for a full and frank discussion without needing spaghetti.
Thrasher, York says...
1:31pm Wed 30 Dec 09
hearallaboutit, york says...
1:48pm Wed 30 Dec 09
CitizenWhy, Newport says...
5:06pm Wed 30 Dec 09
bloodaxe, York says...
5:12pm Wed 30 Dec 09
hearallaboutit wrote:Or The Magnificat and the Beatitudes ?
perhaps we cant condone these actions,however if a homeless skint person shoplifted such items,he would not only get a criminal record,he would be put in jail for having no fixed abode,the cells of the police station,processed,as sociate with other "criminals" ,also at what level would the theft be acceptable? a tin of cheap food or a "the very best of"item,then what about later/the next day.Would he have a can opener? Father Tim and this event highlight a problem that everyone(almost) with their "resources",and family can play nimby and ignore.Perhaps Father Tim could use this oppertunity to found a charity gathering "resorces" to give to existing institutions like Shelter/others. With the present economic situation these problems wont go away! what about the 10 Commandments?
lynn-york, York says...
5:33pm Wed 30 Dec 09
GoodDoc, says...
5:47pm Wed 30 Dec 09
A taxpayer, York says...
5:56pm Wed 30 Dec 09
the butler, cowichan Bay says...
6:08pm Wed 30 Dec 09
monkeh12, York says...
7:53pm Wed 30 Dec 09
The Vicar, York says...
10:21pm Wed 30 Dec 09
H8r, york says...
11:24pm Wed 30 Dec 09
monkeh12 wrote:How can you say he has serious mental health issues? So anyone who commits a crime is mentally ill in your eyes?
This spaghetti man clearly has mental health issues and is in need of serious help. Tim does not deserve this treatment.
I for one support the message that Tim is trying to get across, and think that people who do this, and also who buy tinned rubbish at Asda should not be allowed out in public. Arrest this spaghetti tit now.
GoodDoc, says...
12:20am Thu 31 Dec 09
monkeh12, York says...
5:20am Thu 31 Dec 09
sammy07, buttercrambe says...
2:29pm Thu 31 Dec 09
again, york says...
3:18pm Thu 31 Dec 09
The Vicar wrote:..but he wasn't pro-theft.
Well done spaghetti man! I hope your actions teach this religious fool he needs to keep his “pro” theft speeches to himself
WA Boy, Atwell,Perth says...
7:05pm Thu 31 Dec 09
idlehousewife, York says...
1:34pm Fri 1 Jan 10
idlehousewife, York says...
1:34pm Fri 1 Jan 10
GoodDoc, says...
3:28pm Sat 2 Jan 10
again wrote:Don't waste your time! 'The Vicar' doesn't have a chance of understanding the message of the sermon. It's been spelt out to him several times using increasingly simple language and he still reckons Mr Jones ordered his congregation to go out and steal! Duh.
The Vicar wrote:..but he wasn't pro-theft.
Well done spaghetti man! I hope your actions teach this religious fool he needs to keep his “pro” theft speeches to himself
Whereas Mr Stot clearly decided to assault him rather than discuss the issue that Father Tim was raising.
The plight of the very poorest members of society is not simply a religious issue anyway.
MattRSJ, York says...
3:13pm Sun 3 Jan 10
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1speedisalluneed, everywhere & nowhere baby says...
10:18am Wed 30 Dec 09