St George’s Field car park possible site for York wheel

York Press: Artist's impression of how the big wheel could look in York’s St George’s Field car park Artist's impression of how the big wheel could look in York’s St George’s Field car park

YORK could be set to get a big wheel again, after the attraction’s operators came up with a new possible site.

World Tourist Attractions (WTA) wants to put a wheel in St George’s Field car park for a three-month trial.

Leading councillors say they will not block the move, as they did with an earlier application in North Street, paving the way for the firm to table a formal planning application.

WTA has held a series of meetings with City of York Council leader Andrew Waller, and its planning leader, Steve Galloway, and have now come up with a mutually acceptable plan.

Coun Galloway said: “Clearly this is a contentious issue in the city, with conservationists worried about environmental issues, while the tourist industry is looking for a boost to see it through the economic downturn.

“While Andrew (Waller) and I could not give any assurances about how the planning committee might view any application to site the wheel at St George’s, we did note that the proposal was markedly different from the previous plan, insofar as it is only for a limited period of time, during the peak tourist season, and it utilises a site which has a history of use for temporary fairground style attractions.”

He said that may mean the council’s ruling executive would not veto the idea in principle, thus leaving the planning committee to consider it.

WTA was unavailable for comment yesterday, but Coun Galloway said the firm apparently saw the St George’s proposal as a chance to test public opinion on the idea of having a wheel elsewhere in the city.

The previous one, at the National Railway Museum, was dismantled in November, but WTA’s attempts to put a replacement next to the Park Inn Hotel in North Street were vetoed due to environmental concerns. Though there are flooding issues at St George’s Field, WTA has told the council it can lift all sensitive mechanisms above any potential flood level, with less than an hour’s notice.

The reduction in car-parking spaces would be offset by the reopening of Kent Street coach park while the wheel was in operation.

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9:35am Tue 10 Mar 09

bishboy says...

Kent Street is hardly a city centre car park in the same league as St Georges Field is it ?
Can't exactly go back to your car and have a nice picnic by the river can you ?
Don't imagine the residents of the riverside apartments opposite will be too happy either.
Kent Street is hardly a city centre car park in the same league as St Georges Field is it ? Can't exactly go back to your car and have a nice picnic by the river can you ? Don't imagine the residents of the riverside apartments opposite will be too happy either. bishboy

9:36am Tue 10 Mar 09

Elle says...

Great idea council, even less parking in the city centre!
Great idea council, even less parking in the city centre! Elle

9:38am Tue 10 Mar 09

AngryandFrustrated says...

Here we go again - if I remember rightly, Tower Street gardens was the first preferred site for this monstrosity before the NRM - however, the planners turned it down because of the trees that would need to be felled and the unacceptable flooding risk.

Whilst I appreciate that there are no tree felling issues if it goes in the car park, that is a car park that floods on numerous occasions every year.

"Though there are flooding issues at St George’s Field, WTA has told the council it can lift all sensitive mechanisms above any potential flood level, with less than an hour’s notice" - I presume wellies will be provided to the customers that could get caught out? And what happens if the river comes up over night as it often does - are the WTA people going to come out and lift the machinery overnight? I think not!

Oh, and lets not forget that this is one of the busiest car parks in York - a reduction in capacity at one of the busiest times of year for the whole of the summer season is pure madness.

"and it utilises a site which has a history of use for temporary fairground style attractions.” Not for the whole summer season it doesn't - the merry go round has traditionally been in Tower Street gardens and the fair stays for a long weekend.

"He said that may mean the council’s ruling executive would not veto the idea in principle, thus leaving the planning committee to consider it" - thank goodeness the esteemed Mr Galloway recognises the democratic process.

It's about time that York stopped giving in to the demands of these developers - if we are to have a wheel, the site should be carefully thought out and extensive consultation should take place. It's a pity that WTA didn't keep to their promise of pulling out of York all together if they could not site the wheel at North Street.
Here we go again - if I remember rightly, Tower Street gardens was the first preferred site for this monstrosity before the NRM - however, the planners turned it down because of the trees that would need to be felled and the unacceptable flooding risk. Whilst I appreciate that there are no tree felling issues if it goes in the car park, that is a car park that floods on numerous occasions every year. "Though there are flooding issues at St George’s Field, WTA has told the council it can lift all sensitive mechanisms above any potential flood level, with less than an hour’s notice" - I presume wellies will be provided to the customers that could get caught out? And what happens if the river comes up over night as it often does - are the WTA people going to come out and lift the machinery overnight? I think not! Oh, and lets not forget that this is one of the busiest car parks in York - a reduction in capacity at one of the busiest times of year for the whole of the summer season is pure madness. "and it utilises a site which has a history of use for temporary fairground style attractions.” Not for the whole summer season it doesn't - the merry go round has traditionally been in Tower Street gardens and the fair stays for a long weekend. "He said that may mean the council’s ruling executive would not veto the idea in principle, thus leaving the planning committee to consider it" - thank goodeness the esteemed Mr Galloway recognises the democratic process. It's about time that York stopped giving in to the demands of these developers - if we are to have a wheel, the site should be carefully thought out and extensive consultation should take place. It's a pity that WTA didn't keep to their promise of pulling out of York all together if they could not site the wheel at North Street. AngryandFrustrated

9:46am Tue 10 Mar 09

Beckster says...

Well I hope it doesn't tip over like it is doing in that picture!! :-D
Well I hope it doesn't tip over like it is doing in that picture!! :-D Beckster

10:05am Tue 10 Mar 09

LittleTed says...

Elle wrote:
Great idea council, even less parking in the city centre!
GOOD!
I hope more people will use the park and ride now.
[quote][p][bold]Elle[/bold] wrote: Great idea council, even less parking in the city centre![/p][/quote]GOOD! I hope more people will use the park and ride now. LittleTed

10:10am Tue 10 Mar 09

The all seeing eye says...

That's just what I was thinking beckster, you beat me to it
That's just what I was thinking beckster, you beat me to it The all seeing eye

10:12am Tue 10 Mar 09

flutterby says...

What an awful "artists impression"! It looks like it's about to fall over!
What an awful "artists impression"! It looks like it's about to fall over! flutterby

10:12am Tue 10 Mar 09

humpty numpty says...

AngryandFrustrated, i take it you are against this then?
LittleTed, if the park and rides are already full how can more people use them? do you work for CYC?
AngryandFrustrated, i take it you are against this then? LittleTed, if the park and rides are already full how can more people use them? do you work for CYC? humpty numpty

10:28am Tue 10 Mar 09

AngryandFrustrated says...

humpty numpty wrote:
AngryandFrustrated, i take it you are against this then? LittleTed, if the park and rides are already full how can more people use them? do you work for CYC?
Am I a fan? No, I'm not. I am fed up with this thing being likened to the London Eye when it is nothing like it - for a start, it spins round like a ferris wheel and not the slow gradual process of the London Eye. Just because other cities have one does not mean that York with breakneck speed must accommodate one.

I am also fed up with the amount of spin (if you pardon the pun)that surrounds the **** thing, such as it generates tourism. I will say what I have said in numerous other postings on this subject - I would be astounded if tourists came to York for the sole pupose of going on the wheel - whilst plenty of people used it at the NRM, in a lot of cases that was secondary to their primary aim of visiting the NRM.

That said, if there is to be a wheel in York then so be it - however, the site it should occupy should be chosen after full consultation with all the interested parties and the local people - WTA have already issued various threats to the Council about pulling out - methinks that there will be more forthcoming as I am sure they will want it up and running this summer - not a lot of time for a full consultation process.
[quote][p][bold]humpty numpty[/bold] wrote: AngryandFrustrated, i take it you are against this then? LittleTed, if the park and rides are already full how can more people use them? do you work for CYC?[/p][/quote]Am I a fan? No, I'm not. I am fed up with this thing being likened to the London Eye when it is nothing like it - for a start, it spins round like a ferris wheel and not the slow gradual process of the London Eye. Just because other cities have one does not mean that York with breakneck speed must accommodate one. I am also fed up with the amount of spin (if you pardon the pun)that surrounds the **** thing, such as it generates tourism. I will say what I have said in numerous other postings on this subject - I would be astounded if tourists came to York for the sole pupose of going on the wheel - whilst plenty of people used it at the NRM, in a lot of cases that was secondary to their primary aim of visiting the NRM. That said, if there is to be a wheel in York then so be it - however, the site it should occupy should be chosen after full consultation with all the interested parties and the local people - WTA have already issued various threats to the Council about pulling out - methinks that there will be more forthcoming as I am sure they will want it up and running this summer - not a lot of time for a full consultation process. AngryandFrustrated

10:41am Tue 10 Mar 09

marc says...

how long before the "it'll interfere with the character of the city" Morons start writing into the press?.
how long before the "it'll interfere with the character of the city" Morons start writing into the press?. marc

10:42am Tue 10 Mar 09

johnrich37 says...

Has anyone done an independent cost/benefit analysis on this Wheel so that we can see what positive advantages (profit, better environment etc. )are forecast from this project? How did we benefit from its previous location?
There must be more imaginative ideas for attracting Euro rich tourists to the City, yet the City council doesn't bother asking us.
" Every other tourist city has a Wheel so let's have one too" does not seem a very good argument!"
Has anyone done an independent cost/benefit analysis on this Wheel so that we can see what positive advantages (profit, better environment etc. )are forecast from this project? How did we benefit from its previous location? There must be more imaginative ideas for attracting Euro rich tourists to the City, yet the City council doesn't bother asking us. " Every other tourist city has a Wheel so let's have one too" does not seem a very good argument!" johnrich37

10:55am Tue 10 Mar 09

mztripps says...

LOL oh yes, put it on St George's Field! It will be there about 40 mins before a combination of severe summer flooding and residents complaining about being over looked halt it again. Apparently, the wheel brought 1m additional visitors to the NRM, a museum which could do with the boost, so why can't it go back there? The city centre does not need 1m additional people trying to park at St George's field! NRM has enough parking, access and, let's a face it, a better view than St George's field!! You'd have to be right at the top to even see Terry's or the Minster roofs thanks to the geography of the car park!!
LOL oh yes, put it on St George's Field! It will be there about 40 mins before a combination of severe summer flooding and residents complaining about being over looked halt it again. Apparently, the wheel brought 1m additional visitors to the NRM, a museum which could do with the boost, so why can't it go back there? The city centre does not need 1m additional people trying to park at St George's field! NRM has enough parking, access and, let's a face it, a better view than St George's field!! You'd have to be right at the top to even see Terry's or the Minster roofs thanks to the geography of the car park!! mztripps

11:16am Tue 10 Mar 09

Soothsayer2.0 says...

"Leading councillors say they will not block the move."

Good. That'll give the Lib Dums more time to work out how to make up a £7m budget shortfall.

Or, more likely, time to formulate more pathetic excuses over how it’s the fault of Gordon Brown, Ernie Dickinson, the man behind the grassy knoll, etc, etc...
"Leading councillors say they will not block the move." Good. That'll give the Lib Dums more time to work out how to make up a £7m budget shortfall. Or, more likely, time to formulate more pathetic excuses over how it’s the fault of Gordon Brown, Ernie Dickinson, the man behind the grassy knoll, etc, etc... Soothsayer2.0

11:32am Tue 10 Mar 09

oldgoat says...

And this is better than Tower Street, how?
Even more prone to flooding, on top of the temporary fairground, and in the middle of the Blue Bridge one-way system.
Please, we really don't want or need the wheel back here. It was nice while it lasted, but....

St.George's Field is a significant car park in York, given that we have little enough parking in town anyway.
And this is better than Tower Street, how? Even more prone to flooding, on top of the temporary fairground, and in the middle of the Blue Bridge one-way system. Please, we really don't want or need the wheel back here. It was nice while it lasted, but.... St.George's Field is a significant car park in York, given that we have little enough parking in town anyway. oldgoat

12:03pm Tue 10 Mar 09

alfielad123 says...

Despite flooding and loss of spaces, the area is constantly congested all day around the one way system of paragon street and fishergate. Just put it back near the NRM and be done with it.
Despite flooding and loss of spaces, the area is constantly congested all day around the one way system of paragon street and fishergate. Just put it back near the NRM and be done with it. alfielad123

12:08pm Tue 10 Mar 09

tonezzzznoddedoff says...

By the looks of it, one decent gust of wind and it'll be in naburn anyway.
By the looks of it, one decent gust of wind and it'll be in naburn anyway. tonezzzznoddedoff

12:37pm Tue 10 Mar 09

invisibleman says...

marc wrote:
how long before the "it'll interfere with the character of the city" Morons start writing into the press?.
But it will. And I am not a moron, I am special
[quote][p][bold]marc[/bold] wrote: how long before the "it'll interfere with the character of the city" Morons start writing into the press?.[/p][/quote]But it will. And I am not a moron, I am special invisibleman

12:48pm Tue 10 Mar 09

bloodaxe says...

invisibleman wrote:
marc wrote: how long before the "it'll interfere with the character of the city" Morons start writing into the press?.
But it will. And I am not a moron, I am special
Oh dear. Most of the above is so depressingly predictable. However, it does provide amusing reading for a few idle moments. By the way, don't start sentences with conjunctions.
[quote][p][bold]invisibleman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marc[/bold] wrote: how long before the "it'll interfere with the character of the city" Morons start writing into the press?.[/p][/quote]But it will. And I am not a moron, I am special[/p][/quote]Oh dear. Most of the above is so depressingly predictable. However, it does provide amusing reading for a few idle moments. By the way, don't start sentences with conjunctions. bloodaxe

1:02pm Tue 10 Mar 09

Mullarkian says...

Where are they going to put the 200 foot Helter Skelter and 150 foot roundabout then?
Where are they going to put the 200 foot Helter Skelter and 150 foot roundabout then? Mullarkian

1:51pm Tue 10 Mar 09

LizM says...

How much are people getting in brown envelopes to keep this topic alive?

The wheel has gone, all the sites suggested are unsuitable, York doesn't need it... need I go on?
How much are people getting in brown envelopes to keep this topic alive? The wheel has gone, all the sites suggested are unsuitable, York doesn't need it... need I go on? LizM

3:08pm Tue 10 Mar 09

George Appleby says...

Talking about tourism, our city is a world beater and it hasn't been created by the likes of Joe Corrigan . Nor is that what people travel across the world to see, or the travel brochures build their case on to fill the planes and coaches.

Once they've been they want to return because there is so much which our history has preserved of our past and theirs that cannot be seen anywhere else. They also want to send their young people to our universities.

It is equal to the Italian Lakes, Venice and many other venues around the world, and the Wheel does nothing to improve on that.
Talking about tourism, our city is a world beater and it hasn't been created by the likes of Joe Corrigan . Nor is that what people travel across the world to see, or the travel brochures build their case on to fill the planes and coaches. Once they've been they want to return because there is so much which our history has preserved of our past and theirs that cannot be seen anywhere else. They also want to send their young people to our universities. It is equal to the Italian Lakes, Venice and many other venues around the world, and the Wheel does nothing to improve on that. George Appleby

3:50pm Tue 10 Mar 09

kim the swim says...

Bring it back? No way, dump it at sea...
Bring it back? No way, dump it at sea... kim the swim

4:29pm Tue 10 Mar 09

Soothsayer2.0 says...

George Appleby wrote:
Talking about tourism, our city is a world beater and it hasn't been created by the likes of Joe Corrigan . Nor is that what people travel across the world to see, or the travel brochures build their case on to fill the planes and coaches. Once they've been they want to return because there is so much which our history has preserved of our past and theirs that cannot be seen anywhere else. They also want to send their young people to our universities. It is equal to the Italian Lakes, Venice and many other venues around the world, and the Wheel does nothing to improve on that.
Well said.

And, wheel on one side - I wish, don't get me started on some on the idiotic planning decisions that increasingly blight the city.
[quote][p][bold]George Appleby[/bold] wrote: Talking about tourism, our city is a world beater and it hasn't been created by the likes of Joe Corrigan . Nor is that what people travel across the world to see, or the travel brochures build their case on to fill the planes and coaches. Once they've been they want to return because there is so much which our history has preserved of our past and theirs that cannot be seen anywhere else. They also want to send their young people to our universities. It is equal to the Italian Lakes, Venice and many other venues around the world, and the Wheel does nothing to improve on that.[/p][/quote]Well said. And, wheel on one side - I wish, don't get me started on some on the idiotic planning decisions that increasingly blight the city. Soothsayer2.0

4:58pm Tue 10 Mar 09

MattRSJ says...

What a stupid place to put it. You won't see anything until you get to the very top and even then it won't be as much as where it was by the NRM.

Do we REALLY need this thing anyway? Or is it just another way to get more tourists to our fair city for the council to foam at the bunghole over?
What a stupid place to put it. You won't see anything until you get to the very top and even then it won't be as much as where it was by the NRM. Do we REALLY need this thing anyway? Or is it just another way to get more tourists to our fair city for the council to foam at the bunghole over? MattRSJ

6:24pm Tue 10 Mar 09

cheekyelf says...

It would be better sited in the new coach parking section of St Georges Field car park, considering the council seems to have forgotten to tell any coach companies that there is coach parking there. That is also the end of the car park where the Easter fair normally is anyway, so no car parking spaces would actually be lost.

I think it would bring much needed development to that area of town. Hopefully it would also promt the council to tidy up Tower Gardens, since this is the first thing a lot of tourists see when they visit York - not exactly a nice first impression.
It would be better sited in the new coach parking section of St Georges Field car park, considering the council seems to have forgotten to tell any coach companies that there is coach parking there. That is also the end of the car park where the Easter fair normally is anyway, so no car parking spaces would actually be lost. I think it would bring much needed development to that area of town. Hopefully it would also promt the council to tidy up Tower Gardens, since this is the first thing a lot of tourists see when they visit York - not exactly a nice first impression. cheekyelf

11:48pm Tue 10 Mar 09

topumpire1 says...

The nearest you will get to looking around the sheiks penthouse? YES it is too near the flats, just over the river. Yes it will take away car park spaces that are needed despirately in York, but that will not worry this council, who would rather see NO CARS, NO local People - just tourists! -coming in on buses. Great place for it with the regular fairs coming to the carpark hope those "traders" do not knick it!
The nearest you will get to looking around the sheiks penthouse? YES it is too near the flats, just over the river. Yes it will take away car park spaces that are needed despirately in York, but that will not worry this council, who would rather see NO CARS, NO local People - just tourists! -coming in on buses. Great place for it with the regular fairs coming to the carpark hope those "traders" do not knick it! topumpire1

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