Big wheel in North Street rejected by City of York Council

An artist’s impression of how the big wheel would have looked viewed from Lendal Bridge had it been allowed to move to North Street

An artist’s impression of how the big wheel would have looked viewed from Lendal Bridge had it been allowed to move to North Street

First published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , News editor

Updated: TOURIST chiefs saw their plans for a new big wheel in York dramatically thrown out, following an epic and furious debate at the city’s Guildhall.

City of York Council’s ruling executive has voted not to allow World Tourist Attractions (WTA) to use North Street gardens, on the banks of the River Ouse.

In a lengthy meeting yesterday afternoon, conservationists, councillors, WTA and a local pub landlady all waded into the debate, before the executive voted four to one against allowing the attraction in the gardens.

Council leader Andrew Waller and his predecessor Steve Galloway said the wheel was inappropriate in such a historic setting, and near flood defences. But in a spectacular and rare show of division at the council’s top table, leisure chief Christian Vassie broke ranks and openly condemned his colleagues.

He said: “Many thousands of residents across this city look to their council to be doing all it can to protect jobs and ensure that our local economy is protected from the worst of the credit crunch, which is bringing misery, unemployment business closures and insecurity across the nation.

“How is it then, people will ask, that this executive is turning down an attraction that will bring visitors, money and jobs to the city?”

He accused his colleagues of putting buildings before residents and jobs and said the executive must brace itself for a backlash from confused and angry voters.

Jay Pender, commercial director for WTA, said its previous wheel, at the National Railway Museum had been a success but it was time for change.

He said: “We are a market leader. We look to locate wheels in prime sites in prime cities and North Street fits with that.”

After the meeting, he said the firm was “somewhat disappointed” but he said WTA may now look at other sites in York. It had previously said North Street was its only option.

Councillors Ann Reid and Richard Moore withdrew from the debate, as they would have sat on the committee for any future planning application, so the issue was left to councillors Waller, Vassie Steve Galloway, Sue Galloway and Carol Runciman.

Coun Steve Galloway said it was “very disappointing” that WTA had even suggested North Street, as the council had opposed the idea back in 2005. He said: “The North Street site was rejected when first suggested four years ago. Nothing has changed. It would still be intrusive; it would still terminally change what is a central York quiet area. It would rob the city of one of its most photographed and cherished views.”

Coun Waller said he had “considerable concern” about anchoring a wheel in the riverbank, given York’s flooding problems.

He also said: “There is a strong view that this location is not suitable for the development, which would impact on All Saints’ Church, North Street, and that there is not the space to fit all of the features needed for the wheel.”

The Labour shadow executive has also opposed North Street as a viable option, meaning that, while WTA can legally still apply for planning permission, they will not be allowed to build a wheel in the gardens.


Decision welcomed by conservationists

CONSERVATIONISTS were overwhelmingly opposed to the idea of a big wheel in North Street, saying it was out of keeping with York’s historic core.

Philip Thake, chief executive of York Conservation Trust, said: “When those gardens were given to the council, they were not meant to be for anything other than gardens.

“A wheel would dwarf everything around it.”

The gardens were presented to York by Rowntree’s family in 1959, for use by the public. City of York Council needs permission from the Joseph Rowntree Foundation for any other use.

Peter Brown, secretary of York Civic Trust, said such a move would be wrong.

He said: “It was the Rowntree company that gave the land in perpetuity to the city, to be used as a open park and public space for the people of York and visitors, and that covenant is still in force. It is for the city council to respect that original gift and covenant.”

York’s heritage champion, Coun Dave Taylor, spoke against the proposal at yesterday’s meeting, and later welcomed the executive’s decision.

He said: “Of course the city must look at how to attract visitors, but the North Street site is simply not suitable. This enormous wheel would have overshadowed listed buildings in the area and affected important views such as those of York Minster.”

But others were in favour of the wheel in North Street.

Lynn Aaron, landlady of the nearby Yorkshire Hussar pub, said the portrayed “utopia” of the gardens was unrealistic.

She said: “The gardens are unlit and intimidating, and no-one likes to go there. I have spoken to customers at length and we would all welcome the wheel to the area.”

She said the gardens were “virtually a dustbin area” at the moment, and said a wheel would improve security and bring her extra trade.

The firm behind the wheel said it may yet look to find another site in York.

Nigel Ward, chief executive of World Tourist Attractions (WTA), said the company would not rule out other options, but said the firm would wait until it had received official minutes from yesterday’s meeting before deciding what to do next.

Council leader Andrew Waller said he would work with WTA to find a mutually-acceptable site, and said he would work with tourism bodies to bring a new attraction to York.

Gillian Cruddas, chief executive of Visit York, said the wheel at the National Railway Museum had proved popular, so she was disappointed a site could not be agreed for a replacement.


Leisure chief turns on his Lib Dem colleagues

CHRISTIAN VASSIE, the council’s executive member for leisure and culture issues, launched a stinging rebuke against what he saw as “short-sightedness” by his colleagues.

He singled out each criticism of the wheel in turn, and said the executive should not even have considered the issue until a planning application was submitted.

Council leader Andrew Waller had said the council should take a stance in advance, as the landowner.

Coun Vassie said: “At the core of the objection is a sense that the proposal is ‘out of keeping’ with our beautiful, historic city. As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs. It should also be noted that it is precisely because we are a historic city that the operators want to locate here.”

“They don’t put big wheels in Wolverhampton or Slough. Oxford has its dreaming spires – and a big wheel. Paris has the Louvre, the Eiffel Tower and countless other attractions – and a big wheel. Seville, with its stunning architecture, has a big wheel.” He added: “If we vote against this proposal, we must prepare to face the confusion and anger of the vast majority of York residents and businesses, who will be asking what on earth we think we are doing turning away an attraction that would bring real benefit to the city in the middle of a recession.”

Coun Vassie said the views of York Minster from a wheel in North Street could be as spectacular as those of the Eiffel Tower or Sydney Opera House.

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3:06pm Tue 20 Jan 09

Man with a view says...

Sorry can't agree with the council on this one. That area in North Street is dirty and is regularly used by the homeless and drunks. If a big wheel is good enough on the banks of the Thames then its good enough on the Ouse.
Also in this current economic climate the Council have missed an opportunity to be able to attract more tourists and therefore more revenue into the City.
Sorry can't agree with the council on this one. That area in North Street is dirty and is regularly used by the homeless and drunks. If a big wheel is good enough on the banks of the Thames then its good enough on the Ouse. Also in this current economic climate the Council have missed an opportunity to be able to attract more tourists and therefore more revenue into the City. Man with a view
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3:10pm Tue 20 Jan 09

Soothsayer says...

Hoooooooooooooooorrr
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Hoooooooooooooooorrr rrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaa aayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Soothsayer
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3:12pm Tue 20 Jan 09

pedalling paul says...

So all the earlier Libdem bashing was in vain...WTA have met with CoYC Planers and a report has gone to a cross-party Council Committee for formal consideration.It would not be ethical for Councillors to speak publicly against WTA's stated intentions, until this process was complete.
But wherever the Wheel goes, I say it should be driven by pedal power.
So all the earlier Libdem bashing was in vain...WTA have met with CoYC Planers and a report has gone to a cross-party Council Committee for formal consideration.It would not be ethical for Councillors to speak publicly against WTA's stated intentions, until this process was complete. But wherever the Wheel goes, I say it should be driven by pedal power. pedalling paul
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3:22pm Tue 20 Jan 09

Yorksky says...

pedalling paul, York says

"But wherever the Wheel goes, I say it should be driven by pedal power"

Well Paul, perhaps this could be your new job!
pedalling paul, York says "But wherever the Wheel goes, I say it should be driven by pedal power" Well Paul, perhaps this could be your new job! Yorksky
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3:30pm Tue 20 Jan 09

redr says...

I don’t really care if we have a big wheel or not in York but what annoys me is WTA’s attitude of if we can’t win we’ll take our ball home. Even to the childish extent of removing the previous wheel to force the issue. Well WTA York was around long before your wheel and it will be around a long time after you’ve gone. Well done to the council on this occasion for not being bullied.
I don’t really care if we have a big wheel or not in York but what annoys me is WTA’s attitude of if we can’t win we’ll take our ball home. Even to the childish extent of removing the previous wheel to force the issue. Well WTA York was around long before your wheel and it will be around a long time after you’ve gone. Well done to the council on this occasion for not being bullied. redr
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3:36pm Tue 20 Jan 09

shartin says...

"thank you "City of York Council, good decision!
"thank you "City of York Council, good decision! shartin
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3:42pm Tue 20 Jan 09

suggie says...

Soothsayer - I DITTO THAT!!! It is not regularly used by the homeless, only occasionally, so it's not a problem. It's a nice quiet area with birds and trees and for once, the Council have made a VERY GOOD decision! Wey hey!!!!!
Soothsayer - I DITTO THAT!!! It is not regularly used by the homeless, only occasionally, so it's not a problem. It's a nice quiet area with birds and trees and for once, the Council have made a VERY GOOD decision! Wey hey!!!!! suggie
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3:42pm Tue 20 Jan 09

suggie says...

Soothsayer - I DITTO THAT!!! It is not regularly used by the homeless, only occasionally, so it's not a problem. It's a nice quiet area with birds and trees and for once, the Council have made a VERY GOOD decision! Wey hey!!!!!
Soothsayer - I DITTO THAT!!! It is not regularly used by the homeless, only occasionally, so it's not a problem. It's a nice quiet area with birds and trees and for once, the Council have made a VERY GOOD decision! Wey hey!!!!! suggie
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3:46pm Tue 20 Jan 09

AngryandFrustrated says...

Agree with all the views posted except man with a view to whom I put these observations:-

1. If you think tourists are going to come to York based on visiting a two bit version of the London Eye which spins round like a ferris wheel, you are deluded!

2. If you think that the monstrosity that was at the NRM is comparable to the London Eye, you are deluded!

3. If you think that the size of the river bank in York is comparable to the space on the Thames, you are deluded!

4. York is known for its historic core, buildings and museums and not a shiny white metal carbunkle. If you think otherwise, you are deluded!
Agree with all the views posted except man with a view to whom I put these observations:- 1. If you think tourists are going to come to York based on visiting a two bit version of the London Eye which spins round like a ferris wheel, you are deluded! 2. If you think that the monstrosity that was at the NRM is comparable to the London Eye, you are deluded! 3. If you think that the size of the river bank in York is comparable to the space on the Thames, you are deluded! 4. York is known for its historic core, buildings and museums and not a shiny white metal carbunkle. If you think otherwise, you are deluded! AngryandFrustrated
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4:07pm Tue 20 Jan 09

werealldoomed says...

Man with a view wrote:
Sorry can't agree with the council on this one. That area in North Street is dirty and is regularly used by the homeless and drunks. If a big wheel is good enough on the banks of the Thames then its good enough on the Ouse.
Also in this current economic climate the Council have missed an opportunity to be able to attract more tourists and therefore more revenue into the City.
Couldn't agree more. Short sighted council.
[quote][p][bold]Man with a view[/bold] wrote: Sorry can't agree with the council on this one. That area in North Street is dirty and is regularly used by the homeless and drunks. If a big wheel is good enough on the banks of the Thames then its good enough on the Ouse. Also in this current economic climate the Council have missed an opportunity to be able to attract more tourists and therefore more revenue into the City.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more. Short sighted council. werealldoomed
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4:30pm Tue 20 Jan 09

moleculeman says...

Good.

That is all.
Good. That is all. moleculeman
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4:42pm Tue 20 Jan 09

yawn.. says...

Yayeee
Yayeee yawn..
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5:17pm Tue 20 Jan 09

KarenWhite1978 says...

Good news, and good riddance.
Good news, and good riddance. KarenWhite1978
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5:26pm Tue 20 Jan 09

mark_c says...

A lot of very polarised views here.

I liked the old wheel but was disappointed by the view from it and thought that nearer the centre would be better, are the opponents to this unhappy with the location or ythe wheel as a concept ?
A lot of very polarised views here. I liked the old wheel but was disappointed by the view from it and thought that nearer the centre would be better, are the opponents to this unhappy with the location or ythe wheel as a concept ? mark_c
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5:55pm Tue 20 Jan 09

TooRad says...

HOORAY!!!!
Well done council!
Very good decision.
Nice to see our elected leaders doing something in our favour for a change.
HOORAY!!!! Well done council! Very good decision. Nice to see our elected leaders doing something in our favour for a change. TooRad
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5:56pm Tue 20 Jan 09

Lib Dems are a joke says...

Good decision by the council here. I have to say I didnt think they had it in them.
Good decision by the council here. I have to say I didnt think they had it in them. Lib Dems are a joke
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6:30pm Tue 20 Jan 09

addynuff says...

CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE, HATS OFF TO YORK COUNCIL. THEY RE STILL BLOODY USELESS THOUGH.
CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE, HATS OFF TO YORK COUNCIL. THEY RE STILL BLOODY USELESS THOUGH. addynuff
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6:51pm Tue 20 Jan 09

genghis khan says...

Yorksky wrote:
pedalling paul, York says "But wherever the Wheel goes, I say it should be driven by pedal power" Well Paul, perhaps this could be your new job!
don't know about pedal power , but if if were to be run off hot air paul would definatley get the job.

on a serious note great decicion by the council , we cannot be held to ransome by companies who are only interested in york for what they can get out of it.
[quote][p][bold]Yorksky[/bold] wrote: pedalling paul, York says "But wherever the Wheel goes, I say it should be driven by pedal power" Well Paul, perhaps this could be your new job![/p][/quote]don't know about pedal power , but if if were to be run off hot air paul would definatley get the job. on a serious note great decicion by the council , we cannot be held to ransome by companies who are only interested in york for what they can get out of it. genghis khan
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6:53pm Tue 20 Jan 09

York1900 says...

At last York City Council as not bowed to a company saying they want this site

Well done York City Council you have made the right decision for the City of York

At last York City Council as not bowed to a company saying they want this site Well done York City Council you have made the right decision for the City of York York1900
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7:31pm Tue 20 Jan 09

Geoffers says...

Good move by CoY. They appeared to have listened to the people who commented on the application.

Rest assured though, this application will go to appeal and CoY will loose.
Good move by CoY. They appeared to have listened to the people who commented on the application. Rest assured though, this application will go to appeal and CoY will loose. Geoffers
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9:22pm Tue 20 Jan 09

mystic_genius says...

AngryandFrustrated wrote:
Agree with all the views posted except man with a view to whom I put these observations:-

1. If you think tourists are going to come to York based on visiting a two bit version of the London Eye which spins round like a ferris wheel, you are deluded!

2. If you think that the monstrosity that was at the NRM is comparable to the London Eye, you are deluded!

3. If you think that the size of the river bank in York is comparable to the space on the Thames, you are deluded!

4. York is known for its historic core, buildings and museums and not a shiny white metal carbunkle. If you think otherwise, you are deluded!


In summary, you are deluded?!?!

:-)

Well done CoYC. Now let's get York on the map for something really great instead of copying all other cities.
[quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: Agree with all the views posted except man with a view to whom I put these observations:- 1. If you think tourists are going to come to York based on visiting a two bit version of the London Eye which spins round like a ferris wheel, you are deluded! 2. If you think that the monstrosity that was at the NRM is comparable to the London Eye, you are deluded! 3. If you think that the size of the river bank in York is comparable to the space on the Thames, you are deluded! 4. York is known for its historic core, buildings and museums and not a shiny white metal carbunkle. If you think otherwise, you are deluded![/p][/quote] In summary, you are deluded?!?! :-) Well done CoYC. Now let's get York on the map for something really great instead of copying all other cities. mystic_genius
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10:01pm Tue 20 Jan 09

Seadog says...

No objection to the wheel in its present, entirely appropriate location near he NRM. North Street, however, would be absurd. Flooding aside, All Saints' North Street is one of York's major cultural attractions, whose delightfully sequestered environment - drug addicts and dossers aside - nonetheless remains a hidden gem on this little-explored side of the river.
No objection to the wheel in its present, entirely appropriate location near he NRM. North Street, however, would be absurd. Flooding aside, All Saints' North Street is one of York's major cultural attractions, whose delightfully sequestered environment - drug addicts and dossers aside - nonetheless remains a hidden gem on this little-explored side of the river. Seadog
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10:38pm Tue 20 Jan 09

pedalling paul says...

genghis khan wrote:
Yorksky wrote: pedalling paul, York says "But wherever the Wheel goes, I say it should be driven by pedal power" Well Paul, perhaps this could be your new job!
don't know about pedal power , but if if were to be run off hot air paul would definatley get the job. on a serious note great decicion by the council , we cannot be held to ransome by companies who are only interested in york for what they can get out of it.
That was nearly below the belt. OOOooohhh!
[quote][p][bold]genghis khan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorksky[/bold] wrote: pedalling paul, York says "But wherever the Wheel goes, I say it should be driven by pedal power" Well Paul, perhaps this could be your new job![/p][/quote]don't know about pedal power , but if if were to be run off hot air paul would definatley get the job. on a serious note great decicion by the council , we cannot be held to ransome by companies who are only interested in york for what they can get out of it.[/p][/quote]That was nearly below the belt. OOOooohhh! pedalling paul
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10:45pm Tue 20 Jan 09

tcs says...

great news - a victory for common sense, simple as that
great news - a victory for common sense, simple as that tcs
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10:57pm Tue 20 Jan 09

john of york says...

Good decision: imagine that wheel obscuring the view of All Saints' North St.,. We would also have lost the wider views, like the Minster behind Micklegate Bar viewed from the Mount. It's only a shame that the Viking Hotel (or the Park Inn) was built in the 1960s. Some of our great views are being eradicated.
Good decision: imagine that wheel obscuring the view of All Saints' North St.,. We would also have lost the wider views, like the Minster behind Micklegate Bar viewed from the Mount. It's only a shame that the Viking Hotel (or the Park Inn) was built in the 1960s. Some of our great views are being eradicated. john of york
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6:24am Wed 21 Jan 09

Lamplighter says...

Seadog, York says...
10:01pm Tue 20 Jan 09
No objection to the wheel in its present, entirely appropriate location near he NRM. North Street,

Seadog do you carry a white stick?
Seadog, York says... 10:01pm Tue 20 Jan 09 No objection to the wheel in its present, entirely appropriate location near he NRM. North Street, Seadog do you carry a white stick? Lamplighter
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9:05am Wed 21 Jan 09

topumpire1 says...

Who are these idiots who WANT the wheel in North Street? Yes the gardens may be dirty & used by the undesirables, but that is far better than the wheel in an area GIVEN to the city as a graden NOT for a wheel. If it is dirty then we MUST force the council into cleaning it up & get the authorties to move on the undesirables - BUT THE WHELL MUST NOT COME THERE - it is also FAR TOO SMALL, when you add in all the machinery needed & far what a fine view of the hotel, office block & guildhall! You would get NO good view of city in wheel there - Glass lift (straight up) Yes!
Who are these idiots who WANT the wheel in North Street? Yes the gardens may be dirty & used by the undesirables, but that is far better than the wheel in an area GIVEN to the city as a graden NOT for a wheel. If it is dirty then we MUST force the council into cleaning it up & get the authorties to move on the undesirables - BUT THE WHELL MUST NOT COME THERE - it is also FAR TOO SMALL, when you add in all the machinery needed & far what a fine view of the hotel, office block & guildhall! You would get NO good view of city in wheel there - Glass lift (straight up) Yes! topumpire1
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10:31am Wed 21 Jan 09

meme says...

why not put it above Lendal Bridge then the esplanade car park would be even busier
There would be good views.Noone will be upset and its visible enough to be viable
why not put it above Lendal Bridge then the esplanade car park would be even busier There would be good views.Noone will be upset and its visible enough to be viable meme
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10:57am Wed 21 Jan 09

BigJon says...

Good to see the council seeing sense and not bowing to pressure from WTA. Their "it must be in North Street or you're not having it" attitude was just an attempt at blackmail - and luckily it failed.

I have no objection to the wheel but if they want to bring it back to York then it should return to the NRM where it has already been proved that it works.
Good to see the council seeing sense and not bowing to pressure from WTA. Their "it must be in North Street or you're not having it" attitude was just an attempt at blackmail - and luckily it failed. I have no objection to the wheel but if they want to bring it back to York then it should return to the NRM where it has already been proved that it works. BigJon
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11:36am Wed 21 Jan 09

BigJon says...

"Coun Vassie said the views of York Minster from a wheel in North Street could be as spectacular as those of the Eiffel Tower or Sydney Opera House. "

That must be some wheel if you can see Paris or Sydney from North Street! :-)

Seriously though - if you want a view of the Minster from a decent height all you have to do is go to the top floor of M&S on Parliament street and look through the large picture window provided - there's even a telescope if you want a closer look.

If Conc. Vassie thinks the view of the Minster from North Street would be better then why not try to talk the Park Inn hotel into opening a viewing area somewhere on their top floor, or even the roof for people to see the view at a nominal charge
"Coun Vassie said the views of York Minster from a wheel in North Street could be as spectacular as those of the Eiffel Tower or Sydney Opera House. " That must be some wheel if you can see Paris or Sydney from North Street! :-) Seriously though - if you want a view of the Minster from a decent height all you have to do is go to the top floor of M&S on Parliament street and look through the large picture window provided - there's even a telescope if you want a closer look. If Conc. Vassie thinks the view of the Minster from North Street would be better then why not try to talk the Park Inn hotel into opening a viewing area somewhere on their top floor, or even the roof for people to see the view at a nominal charge BigJon
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11:43am Wed 21 Jan 09

BigJon says...

Sorry for sequential posts, but just a comment on the opening paragraph....

"TOURIST chiefs saw their plans for a new big wheel in York dramatically thrown out, following an epic and furious debate at the city’s Guildhall"

Isn't this incorrect? Tourist chiefs didn't have any plans to bring the wheel back to York, they just agreed with the plans of WTA.
Sorry for sequential posts, but just a comment on the opening paragraph.... "TOURIST chiefs saw their plans for a new big wheel in York dramatically thrown out, following an epic and furious debate at the city’s Guildhall" Isn't this incorrect? Tourist chiefs didn't have any plans to bring the wheel back to York, they just agreed with the plans of WTA. BigJon
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11:50am Wed 21 Jan 09

erniedickinson says...

never thought I would be saying this but well done Lib Dem exec ooo that hurt!
never thought I would be saying this but well done Lib Dem exec ooo that hurt! erniedickinson
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12:03pm Wed 21 Jan 09

The Vicar says...

I think, instead of a wheel in North Street which is obviously an ugly monstrosity, why not have some dodgems or a go-kart track?

They would fit very nicely if the current gardens and walls were demolished – there could even be some candy floss and hot dog vans and a DJ playing the latest dance hits? This would surely attract many more tourists than a wheel and would be a great place for locals to hang out?
I think, instead of a wheel in North Street which is obviously an ugly monstrosity, why not have some dodgems or a go-kart track? They would fit very nicely if the current gardens and walls were demolished – there could even be some candy floss and hot dog vans and a DJ playing the latest dance hits? This would surely attract many more tourists than a wheel and would be a great place for locals to hang out? The Vicar
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12:04pm Wed 21 Jan 09

Anniegetyourgun says...

I work in York city centre and use North Street Gardens during the warmer months to take a break from sitting in my office. It's a lovely spot to eat lunch and I've never seen any homeless people in the gardens. A lot of other city centre workers use the gardens at lunch during the summer. I'm glad CoYC has come up with the right decision - I was beginning to wonder who they actually represented - residents or out of town financial interests!!!
I work in York city centre and use North Street Gardens during the warmer months to take a break from sitting in my office. It's a lovely spot to eat lunch and I've never seen any homeless people in the gardens. A lot of other city centre workers use the gardens at lunch during the summer. I'm glad CoYC has come up with the right decision - I was beginning to wonder who they actually represented - residents or out of town financial interests!!! Anniegetyourgun
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12:07pm Wed 21 Jan 09

AngryandFrustrated says...

"As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs."

Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs!

Muppet!
"As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet! AngryandFrustrated
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12:15pm Wed 21 Jan 09

Stevie D says...

This was the right decision.

I'd be very happy for the wheel to stay in York, but North Street gardens is not the right place for it. On the other hand, I won't lose any sleep if the wheel goes - I can't imagine that it brings any tourists into the city who wouldn't have come otherwise!
This was the right decision. I'd be very happy for the wheel to stay in York, but North Street gardens is not the right place for it. On the other hand, I won't lose any sleep if the wheel goes - I can't imagine that it brings any tourists into the city who wouldn't have come otherwise! Stevie D
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12:22pm Wed 21 Jan 09

zummer says...

good call council,why would you want to attract people to york in the middle of a rececesion,perhaps you should vote to bulldoze the minster and replace it with a nice multi-story car park for all the visitors that arnt going to come now
good call council,why would you want to attract people to york in the middle of a rececesion,perhaps you should vote to bulldoze the minster and replace it with a nice multi-story car park for all the visitors that arnt going to come now zummer
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12:26pm Wed 21 Jan 09

pedalling paul says...

AngryandFrustrated wrote:
"As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet!
I do not neccessarily agree with Cllr Vassie, but he has a democratic right to express his views, plus the courage to publicly nail his colours to the mast. We must surely respect the right of everyone to have their say.
[quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: "As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet![/p][/quote]I do not neccessarily agree with Cllr Vassie, but he has a democratic right to express his views, plus the courage to publicly nail his colours to the mast. We must surely respect the right of everyone to have their say. pedalling paul
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12:28pm Wed 21 Jan 09

Soothsayer says...

AngryandFrustrated wrote:
"As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet!
Personally, I've never noticed the Lib Dums show and regard for buildings, residents or jobs.

A quick look at all the foul new builds given planning permission, the state of local services and the standard of the city centre shows as much.

Still, that's "unpleasant" and "patronising" for you...
[quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: "As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet![/p][/quote]Personally, I've never noticed the Lib Dums show and regard for buildings, residents or jobs. A quick look at all the foul new builds given planning permission, the state of local services and the standard of the city centre shows as much. Still, that's "unpleasant" and "patronising" for you... Soothsayer
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12:30pm Wed 21 Jan 09

AdmiralN says...

'Presiding over a boundary dispute between Coun Christian Vassie of York's Liberal Democrat Party and his neighbour in August 2007, the judge described Mr. Vassie as "unpleasant" and "patronising." He also said Mr. Vassie deliberately "dragged his feet" during legal correspondence in order to drive up costs and force his neighbour cave in. York County Court, case no. 5YO04487.'
'Presiding over a boundary dispute between Coun Christian Vassie of York's Liberal Democrat Party and his neighbour in August 2007, the judge described Mr. Vassie as "unpleasant" and "patronising." He also said Mr. Vassie deliberately "dragged his feet" during legal correspondence in order to drive up costs and force his neighbour cave in. York County Court, case no. 5YO04487.' AdmiralN
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12:52pm Wed 21 Jan 09

taddy says...

Hooray, at long lastGalloway and his pals have got one right. Can we hope for more? For instance-Ban the Barriers.
Hooray, at long lastGalloway and his pals have got one right. Can we hope for more? For instance-Ban the Barriers. taddy
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12:54pm Wed 21 Jan 09

nasrudin says...

I think the North Street site is ideal, and it's a great shame the council has prevented this.

The "gardens" are pretty poor, and I certainly wouldn't miss them.

It would be an excellent way to bring a bit of life to a rather seedy area of the city centre.
I think the North Street site is ideal, and it's a great shame the council has prevented this. The "gardens" are pretty poor, and I certainly wouldn't miss them. It would be an excellent way to bring a bit of life to a rather seedy area of the city centre. nasrudin
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12:56pm Wed 21 Jan 09

Chris1982 says...

This is wheely good but some may be put in a spin!
This is wheely good but some may be put in a spin! Chris1982
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1:18pm Wed 21 Jan 09

AngryandFrustrated says...

pedalling paul wrote:
AngryandFrustrated wrote: "As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet!
I do not neccessarily agree with Cllr Vassie, but he has a democratic right to express his views, plus the courage to publicly nail his colours to the mast. We must surely respect the right of everyone to have their say.
I don't disagree with what you say. But just as Cnllr Vassie has the right to express his views, I have the right to express my opinions on those views, and my opinion is that he is a muppet!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: "As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet![/p][/quote]I do not neccessarily agree with Cllr Vassie, but he has a democratic right to express his views, plus the courage to publicly nail his colours to the mast. We must surely respect the right of everyone to have their say. [/p][/quote]I don't disagree with what you say. But just as Cnllr Vassie has the right to express his views, I have the right to express my opinions on those views, and my opinion is that he is a muppet! AngryandFrustrated
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1:25pm Wed 21 Jan 09

scrappydo says...

In response to loss of jobs and council income.

Providing if York council gets its finger out and has applied for this below and you are a builder, plumber or electrician then you are soon to be quids in.

Wednesday 21 January 2009 09:51
Communities and Local Government (National)

New freedoms to increase council house building


Councils may soon have greater freedom to build more homes under plans going out to consultation today.

Under the proposals announced by Housing Minister Margaret Beckett, councils would be able to keep all the rental income from any homes they build, as well as keep the receipts from any of those homes which are later sold through Right to Buy.

The extra money could free councils to invest in the building of more council houses, helping to deliver more homes for families in need.
Councils currently only build a few hundred council homes a year, with the majority of new social homes being built by registered social landlords. The consultation proposals would seek to boost this build rate by removing some of the financial barriers stopping councils from building new properties and increasing their housing stock.

Housing Minister Margaret Beckett said she wanted local authorities to play a bigger role in the delivery of council housing and invited councils interested in building more homes to discuss their ideas with the Homes and Communities Agency.

Margaret Beckett said:

"We are determined to help keep house building going in the current climate, as the long term need for more homes is not going to disappear. These new freedoms will encourage councils to play a bigger role in driving forward the delivery of new affordable homes for families in housing need."

The Government recently announced it would invite councils to bid for a share of the capital grant given to social landlords to subsidise the cost of new housing. The new financial rules will make it possible for councils to compete for this funding alongside other providers of social housing such as registered social landlords.

Notes to Editors

1. The current system does not encourage councils to build new homes as some of the rental income from new build homes is pooled nationally and distributed to other councils through the Housing Revenue Account Subsidy System. 75% of the capital receipt from any council home sold under the Right to Buy is currently pooled nationally to reflect the historic investment in council house building.

2. Council house building is not currently supported by Social Housing Grant or any other capital or revenue subsidy from Government (except for PFI schemes).

3. The current review of Council Housing Finance is looking at all aspects of finance including the HRA system and will report to Ministers this year.

4. The consultation on changes to the revenue and capital rules for new
council housing can be found at:
http://www.communiti
es.gov.uk/publicatio
ns/housing/capitalru
leschanges
In response to loss of jobs and council income. Providing if York council gets its finger out and has applied for this below and you are a builder, plumber or electrician then you are soon to be quids in. Wednesday 21 January 2009 09:51 Communities and Local Government (National) New freedoms to increase council house building Councils may soon have greater freedom to build more homes under plans going out to consultation today. Under the proposals announced by Housing Minister Margaret Beckett, councils would be able to keep all the rental income from any homes they build, as well as keep the receipts from any of those homes which are later sold through Right to Buy. The extra money could free councils to invest in the building of more council houses, helping to deliver more homes for families in need. Councils currently only build a few hundred council homes a year, with the majority of new social homes being built by registered social landlords. The consultation proposals would seek to boost this build rate by removing some of the financial barriers stopping councils from building new properties and increasing their housing stock. Housing Minister Margaret Beckett said she wanted local authorities to play a bigger role in the delivery of council housing and invited councils interested in building more homes to discuss their ideas with the Homes and Communities Agency. Margaret Beckett said: "We are determined to help keep house building going in the current climate, as the long term need for more homes is not going to disappear. These new freedoms will encourage councils to play a bigger role in driving forward the delivery of new affordable homes for families in housing need." The Government recently announced it would invite councils to bid for a share of the capital grant given to social landlords to subsidise the cost of new housing. The new financial rules will make it possible for councils to compete for this funding alongside other providers of social housing such as registered social landlords. Notes to Editors 1. The current system does not encourage councils to build new homes as some of the rental income from new build homes is pooled nationally and distributed to other councils through the Housing Revenue Account Subsidy System. 75% of the capital receipt from any council home sold under the Right to Buy is currently pooled nationally to reflect the historic investment in council house building. 2. Council house building is not currently supported by Social Housing Grant or any other capital or revenue subsidy from Government (except for PFI schemes). 3. The current review of Council Housing Finance is looking at all aspects of finance including the HRA system and will report to Ministers this year. 4. The consultation on changes to the revenue and capital rules for new council housing can be found at: http://www.communiti es.gov.uk/publicatio ns/housing/capitalru leschanges scrappydo
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1:54pm Wed 21 Jan 09

again says...

Good decision.

Next step is to demolish the 'Viking'.. I know, too much to hope for really.
Good decision. Next step is to demolish the 'Viking'.. I know, too much to hope for really. again
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2:01pm Wed 21 Jan 09

johnrich37 says...

Excellent decision .Perhaps now we can concentrate on making that side of the river and the gardens more attractive.This is an ideal spot for lunchtime office workers to relax and get to know each other.
Why not build a floating jetty for pleasure boats on that side of the Ouse to improve river access with views of the Guildhall?
Have a historical light show visible from the City Screen walkway and the riverside restaurants and bars?
What is needed is more imagination and vision to make York more people friendly!
Excellent decision .Perhaps now we can concentrate on making that side of the river and the gardens more attractive.This is an ideal spot for lunchtime office workers to relax and get to know each other. Why not build a floating jetty for pleasure boats on that side of the Ouse to improve river access with views of the Guildhall? Have a historical light show visible from the City Screen walkway and the riverside restaurants and bars? What is needed is more imagination and vision to make York more people friendly! johnrich37
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2:04pm Wed 21 Jan 09

navigator says...


Best bit of news I have heard this year.Congratulations to those both in print and verbally who have opposed this idea. Perhaps now may be the time to think of upgrading/ regenerating this lovly quiet area in York.
Best bit of news I have heard this year.Congratulations to those both in print and verbally who have opposed this idea. Perhaps now may be the time to think of upgrading/ regenerating this lovly quiet area in York. navigator
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2:05pm Wed 21 Jan 09

navigator says...

Best bit of news I have heard this year.Congratulations to those both in print and verbally who have opposed this idea. Perhaps now may be the time to think of upgrading/ regenerating this lovly quiet area in York.
Best bit of news I have heard this year.Congratulations to those both in print and verbally who have opposed this idea. Perhaps now may be the time to think of upgrading/ regenerating this lovly quiet area in York. navigator
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2:16pm Wed 21 Jan 09

AngryandFrustrated says...

Soothsayer wrote:
AngryandFrustrated wrote: "As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet!
Personally, I've never noticed the Lib Dums show and regard for buildings, residents or jobs. A quick look at all the foul new builds given planning permission, the state of local services and the standard of the city centre shows as much. Still, that's "unpleasant" and "patronising" for you...
I may be missing the point, but why would I find your comments "unpleasant" and "patronising"? For what it's worth, I agree with what you say about the city centre, new buildings and the cr*p state of local services.
[quote][p][bold]Soothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: "As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet![/p][/quote]Personally, I've never noticed the Lib Dums show and regard for buildings, residents or jobs. A quick look at all the foul new builds given planning permission, the state of local services and the standard of the city centre shows as much. Still, that's "unpleasant" and "patronising" for you...[/p][/quote]I may be missing the point, but why would I find your comments "unpleasant" and "patronising"? For what it's worth, I agree with what you say about the city centre, new buildings and the cr*p state of local services. AngryandFrustrated
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2:23pm Wed 21 Jan 09

keepitshut says...

Has anybody asked why it cant go back to the NRM?
Has anybody asked why it cant go back to the NRM? keepitshut
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3:04pm Wed 21 Jan 09

Soothsayer says...

AngryandFrustrated wrote:
Soothsayer wrote:
AngryandFrustrated wrote: "As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet!
Personally, I've never noticed the Lib Dums show and regard for buildings, residents or jobs. A quick look at all the foul new builds given planning permission, the state of local services and the standard of the city centre shows as much. Still, that's "unpleasant" and "patronising" for you...
I may be missing the point, but why would I find your comments "unpleasant" and "patronising"? For what it's worth, I agree with what you say about the city centre, new buildings and the cr*p state of local services.
No, no - honest mistake.

See Admiral N's comment above...
[quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: "As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet![/p][/quote]Personally, I've never noticed the Lib Dums show and regard for buildings, residents or jobs. A quick look at all the foul new builds given planning permission, the state of local services and the standard of the city centre shows as much. Still, that's "unpleasant" and "patronising" for you...[/p][/quote]I may be missing the point, but why would I find your comments "unpleasant" and "patronising"? For what it's worth, I agree with what you say about the city centre, new buildings and the cr*p state of local services.[/p][/quote]No, no - honest mistake. See Admiral N's comment above... Soothsayer
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4:27pm Wed 21 Jan 09

AngryandFrustrated says...

Soothsayer wrote:
AngryandFrustrated wrote:
Soothsayer wrote:
AngryandFrustrated wrote: "As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet!
Personally, I've never noticed the Lib Dums show and regard for buildings, residents or jobs. A quick look at all the foul new builds given planning permission, the state of local services and the standard of the city centre shows as much. Still, that's "unpleasant" and "patronising" for you...
I may be missing the point, but why would I find your comments "unpleasant" and "patronising"? For what it's worth, I agree with what you say about the city centre, new buildings and the cr*p state of local services.
No, no - honest mistake. See Admiral N's comment above...
Ah! I now understand! Thanks for the clarification! :-)
[quote][p][bold]Soothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soothsayer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AngryandFrustrated[/bold] wrote: "As if buildings matter more than residents and jobs." Cncl Vassie really shows his stupidity and ignorance with these comments. It's those historic buildings that bring the tourists to York in the first place which in turn creates the jobs! Muppet![/p][/quote]Personally, I've never noticed the Lib Dums show and regard for buildings, residents or jobs. A quick look at all the foul new builds given planning permission, the state of local services and the standard of the city centre shows as much. Still, that's "unpleasant" and "patronising" for you...[/p][/quote]I may be missing the point, but why would I find your comments "unpleasant" and "patronising"? For what it's worth, I agree with what you say about the city centre, new buildings and the cr*p state of local services.[/p][/quote]No, no - honest mistake. See Admiral N's comment above...[/p][/quote]Ah! I now understand! Thanks for the clarification! :-) AngryandFrustrated
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5:05pm Wed 21 Jan 09

wonders says...

All i can say is the city council never gets on with the job or gets anything done ON TIME because they are too bloody busy ARGUEING AMONGST themselves!!! one thing is for sure, none of them would hang themselves cos they wouldnt be able to make the ruddy decision ! why we need a bloody ferris wheel to see all of york with i dont know when we have the top of York Minster to view York from!!
All i can say is the city council never gets on with the job or gets anything done ON TIME because they are too bloody busy ARGUEING AMONGST themselves!!! one thing is for sure, none of them would hang themselves cos they wouldnt be able to make the ruddy decision ! why we need a bloody ferris wheel to see all of york with i dont know when we have the top of York Minster to view York from!! wonders
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6:16pm Wed 21 Jan 09

villan92 says...

You are all stuck in a time warp! Times are changing - and the city needs to change (for the better) with them! The council is full of old ****!
They can't get anything right - look at the sad excuse of the Barbican development.
I'm 16 and I KNOW whats better!
The council needs new YOUNGER and fresh minds!
I vote me!
In the words of Mr. Obama ...
Can we do it ... yes we can!
If you love the city sooo much then you'd understand.
If you don't you're not helping the city!
The decisions theirs!
You are all stuck in a time warp! Times are changing - and the city needs to change (for the better) with them! The council is full of old ****! They can't get anything right - look at the sad excuse of the Barbican development. I'm 16 and I KNOW whats better! The council needs new YOUNGER and fresh minds! I vote me! In the words of Mr. Obama ... Can we do it ... yes we can! If you love the city sooo much then you'd understand. If you don't you're not helping the city! The decisions theirs! villan92
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6:50pm Wed 21 Jan 09

Cambridge Yorkie says...

I'm sorry but North Street Gardens are not pretty - they are a home for drunks, drop outs and druggies, the nearby buildings - the Viking Hotel - not on of Yorks best. The wheel would have been excellent in this location. Will people every realise the only industry we have in York is tourism, and that if the wheel really was unpopular - it would get taken down and moved, why couldn't people have the forsight to give it a chance. Perhaps we should turn the clock back get rid of nasty modern things like cars, turn off electricity and demolish the Minister - it was new once you know !
I'm sorry but North Street Gardens are not pretty - they are a home for drunks, drop outs and druggies, the nearby buildings - the Viking Hotel - not on of Yorks best. The wheel would have been excellent in this location. Will people every realise the only industry we have in York is tourism, and that if the wheel really was unpopular - it would get taken down and moved, why couldn't people have the forsight to give it a chance. Perhaps we should turn the clock back get rid of nasty modern things like cars, turn off electricity and demolish the Minister - it was new once you know ! Cambridge Yorkie
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7:32pm Wed 21 Jan 09

Gail For-Swins says...

I'm not going to get personal and drag up past court cases like the usual brain donors that seem to have no work to ,so camp on this website (Soothsayer / AdmiralN?) but Cllr Vassie has does his best to alienate his fellow Lib Dems. Does that compromise his position as the Parliamentary Candidate for York seeing as he opposed to Lib Dem policy?
I'm not going to get personal and drag up past court cases like the usual brain donors that seem to have no work to ,so camp on this website (Soothsayer / AdmiralN?) but Cllr Vassie has does his best to alienate his fellow Lib Dems. Does that compromise his position as the Parliamentary Candidate for York seeing as he opposed to Lib Dem policy? Gail For-Swins
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7:59pm Wed 21 Jan 09

AdmiralN says...

Hmm yes that will be the same Coun Vassie that a county court judge described as unpleasant and patronising.

Even Hitlers mother loved him you know!

C'mon Gail whats your angle?
Hmm yes that will be the same Coun Vassie that a county court judge described as unpleasant and patronising. Even Hitlers mother loved him you know! C'mon Gail whats your angle? AdmiralN
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9:26pm Wed 21 Jan 09

gwen4me says...

I`m glad so many here are standing up for the druggies and cockroaches that inhabit the gardens. God forbid that York would try to drag itself into the 21st. century.
I`m glad so many here are standing up for the druggies and cockroaches that inhabit the gardens. God forbid that York would try to drag itself into the 21st. century. gwen4me
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1:05am Thu 22 Jan 09

Bishlad says...

Let us pickle York in Aspic, why should we encourage tourists to come and spend their money and create jobs let them go somewhere else. I think we should just let York sink into the abyss.
We don't need a Council with vision and courage we can all look backwards with the Council.
Let us pickle York in Aspic, why should we encourage tourists to come and spend their money and create jobs let them go somewhere else. I think we should just let York sink into the abyss. We don't need a Council with vision and courage we can all look backwards with the Council. Bishlad
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6:53pm Sat 24 Jan 09

Wheldrake Senior says...

No to wheel in North st.
No to Elvington airfield plan. There is a GOD after all.
No to wheel in North st. No to Elvington airfield plan. There is a GOD after all. Wheldrake Senior
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