Prize-winning economist suggests York should double in size through garden city extension

David Rudlin, pictured at the awards ceremony

David Rudlin, pictured at the awards ceremony

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A SENIOR councillor has welcomed a prize-winning economist's suggestion that 40 cities - including York - could be doubled in size through garden city extensions to solve the housing crisis.

Urban designer David Rudlin has won the £250,000 Wolfson Prize for a submission arguing that Britain should adopt models pioneered in Scandinavia, the Netherlands and Germany to 'take a confident bite out of the greenbelt' and build extensions connected to existing city centres over 30 years.

The 40 cities and towns he identified as suitable included York and Harrogate. He suggested expansion would take the form of town extensions connected to the city centre by a tram or bus rapid transit, with each extension consisting of green, walkable neighbourhoods with primary schools, business uses, and local shops, drawing on modern Scandinavian, Dutch and German models.

He said development of flood plains would be entirely avoided in the design of the settlement and extensions would be surrounded by country parks, allotments, lakes and other low impact uses.

His proposals have been attacked by the Campaign to Protect Rural England, which said people in both urban and rural areas wanted to protect the greenbelt.

But Cllr Dave Merrett, City of York Council's cabinet member for environmental services, planning and sustainability, said the garden cities concept was a 'very credible one' and he thought it was good to see it get some recognition at a national level through the award.

"Having a strategic masterplan for how to develop such a concept within draft green belt areas, so long as this can be reasonably done whilst protecting the prime purpose of green belts to protect the setting of historic cities and communities, would be really good," he said.

“This would allow new communities to be developed more local to where housing need exists, making them places where people will actually want to live.

"We would happily work with the Government to deliver a place that would help us meet the shortfall of affordable and general housing for York residents, given homes to buy and even rent are out of the reach of a large number of local people.”

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10:49am Fri 5 Sep 14

sensibleyorkresident says...

Sounds great ,please don't let Merritt the Ferret anywhere near this, he couldn't cope with a bridge nevermind a new city!
Sounds great ,please don't let Merritt the Ferret anywhere near this, he couldn't cope with a bridge nevermind a new city! sensibleyorkresident
  • Score: -60

10:59am Fri 5 Sep 14

Oaklands Resident says...

Not great

Takes no account of the impact on transport and other public services.

Why on earth does anyone think that York needs to expand from 200,000 residents to 400,000?

The male population must be scarily virile!
Not great Takes no account of the impact on transport and other public services. Why on earth does anyone think that York needs to expand from 200,000 residents to 400,000? The male population must be scarily virile! Oaklands Resident
  • Score: 28

11:01am Fri 5 Sep 14

munstombo says...

Up to 10 large employers have shut down over as many years

British Sugar, Nestle, Terrys, Ben Johnson, Sessions, Railway Works, Strensall army camp downsize, Del Monte.

Is there a possible future impact on crime in the city?

Some ideas have been put forward by others I have read on here and other sites

Ring road upgrade

Airport at Elvington - A success in Doncaster

Business park near Copmanthorpe like temple point (Fast track town to site could be incorporated into bypass utilising using railway route)

Community heat plant facility at nestle site to reduce cost at the hospital.

On the last point.. the Scandinavians use joined up budget thinking when it comes to NHS spending and other social and government budgets.
Up to 10 large employers have shut down over as many years British Sugar, Nestle, Terrys, Ben Johnson, Sessions, Railway Works, Strensall army camp downsize, Del Monte. Is there a possible future impact on crime in the city? Some ideas have been put forward by others I have read on here and other sites Ring road upgrade Airport at Elvington - A success in Doncaster Business park near Copmanthorpe like temple point (Fast track town to site could be incorporated into bypass utilising using railway route) Community heat plant facility at nestle site to reduce cost at the hospital. On the last point.. the Scandinavians use joined up budget thinking when it comes to NHS spending and other social and government budgets. munstombo
  • Score: 2

11:37am Fri 5 Sep 14

The Great Buda says...

We'll have no forward thinking here! This is Roysten Vasey, er I mean York!
We'll have no forward thinking here! This is Roysten Vasey, er I mean York! The Great Buda
  • Score: 7

11:57am Fri 5 Sep 14

sensibleyorkresident says...

Oaklands Resident wrote:
Not great

Takes no account of the impact on transport and other public services.

Why on earth does anyone think that York needs to expand from 200,000 residents to 400,000?

The male population must be scarily virile!
I don't think that anyone is expecting that the doubling of the population should be met solely by those that already live in york, unless i've missed something, in which case...bring it on! I imagine what is expected is that humans that already exist in other places may move here or that more housing could help to fill the housing gap that we currently have. Plus it takes virile women and men to increase the population by at least one, it's not just about men.

You may also have missed the section of the article that talks about new trasnport infrastructure. HS2 may also bring more work to the north and theres every reason to suspect that people would be happy to live on the outskirts of a fantastic city and commute to leeds or elsewhere for work...given good transport links.
[quote][p][bold]Oaklands Resident[/bold] wrote: Not great Takes no account of the impact on transport and other public services. Why on earth does anyone think that York needs to expand from 200,000 residents to 400,000? The male population must be scarily virile![/p][/quote]I don't think that anyone is expecting that the doubling of the population should be met solely by those that already live in york, unless i've missed something, in which case...bring it on! I imagine what is expected is that humans that already exist in other places may move here or that more housing could help to fill the housing gap that we currently have. Plus it takes virile women and men to increase the population by at least one, it's not just about men. You may also have missed the section of the article that talks about new trasnport infrastructure. HS2 may also bring more work to the north and theres every reason to suspect that people would be happy to live on the outskirts of a fantastic city and commute to leeds or elsewhere for work...given good transport links. sensibleyorkresident
  • Score: -6

12:10pm Fri 5 Sep 14

NoMorePlease says...

"town extensions connected to the city centre by a tram or bus rapid transit". Public transport is good in Germany, Denmark and Scandanavia. There is the weaknes of this modrl for UK
"town extensions connected to the city centre by a tram or bus rapid transit". Public transport is good in Germany, Denmark and Scandanavia. There is the weaknes of this modrl for UK NoMorePlease
  • Score: 7

12:22pm Fri 5 Sep 14

MrsHoney says...

munstombo wrote:
Up to 10 large employers have shut down over as many years

British Sugar, Nestle, Terrys, Ben Johnson, Sessions, Railway Works, Strensall army camp downsize, Del Monte.

Is there a possible future impact on crime in the city?

Some ideas have been put forward by others I have read on here and other sites

Ring road upgrade

Airport at Elvington - A success in Doncaster

Business park near Copmanthorpe like temple point (Fast track town to site could be incorporated into bypass utilising using railway route)

Community heat plant facility at nestle site to reduce cost at the hospital.

On the last point.. the Scandinavians use joined up budget thinking when it comes to NHS spending and other social and government budgets.
Why would we want an airport?! If I wanted planes going over my house I'd live near Heathrow!
[quote][p][bold]munstombo[/bold] wrote: Up to 10 large employers have shut down over as many years British Sugar, Nestle, Terrys, Ben Johnson, Sessions, Railway Works, Strensall army camp downsize, Del Monte. Is there a possible future impact on crime in the city? Some ideas have been put forward by others I have read on here and other sites Ring road upgrade Airport at Elvington - A success in Doncaster Business park near Copmanthorpe like temple point (Fast track town to site could be incorporated into bypass utilising using railway route) Community heat plant facility at nestle site to reduce cost at the hospital. On the last point.. the Scandinavians use joined up budget thinking when it comes to NHS spending and other social and government budgets.[/p][/quote]Why would we want an airport?! If I wanted planes going over my house I'd live near Heathrow! MrsHoney
  • Score: 7

12:29pm Fri 5 Sep 14

meme says...

The entire concept needs to be read v carefully
its a long term proposition with infrastructure and green areas all tackled at once ...not a piecemeal scheme and seems not a bad idea over many years.
Its going to have to happen if we are to accommodate all the homes people want/need in some form or other so rather a structured, planned, approach rather than the shambles we have now.
and for those advocates of affordable that's al included as well
The entire concept needs to be read v carefully its a long term proposition with infrastructure and green areas all tackled at once ...not a piecemeal scheme and seems not a bad idea over many years. Its going to have to happen if we are to accommodate all the homes people want/need in some form or other so rather a structured, planned, approach rather than the shambles we have now. and for those advocates of affordable that's al included as well meme
  • Score: 10

12:33pm Fri 5 Sep 14

BL2 says...

NO, NO NO! The city does not need to grow and we certainly do not need to use up Greenbelt land!
NO, NO NO! The city does not need to grow and we certainly do not need to use up Greenbelt land! BL2
  • Score: 11

12:44pm Fri 5 Sep 14

ouseswimmer says...

BL2 wrote:
NO, NO NO! The city does not need to grow and we certainly do not need to use up Greenbelt land!
York has the largest greenbelt outside of London. There really is no need to have such a large greenbelt but there is a need for housing since the two universities expanded by tens of thousands of students yet provided no additional housing. This is the sole reason rents have climbed to levels where people on minimum wages cannot hope to live in York. More housing is needed and this sounds like an excellent plan.
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: NO, NO NO! The city does not need to grow and we certainly do not need to use up Greenbelt land![/p][/quote]York has the largest greenbelt outside of London. There really is no need to have such a large greenbelt but there is a need for housing since the two universities expanded by tens of thousands of students yet provided no additional housing. This is the sole reason rents have climbed to levels where people on minimum wages cannot hope to live in York. More housing is needed and this sounds like an excellent plan. ouseswimmer
  • Score: 35

12:46pm Fri 5 Sep 14

thedrof says...

BL2, You're laughably wrong, York needs to grow (all successful cities do), there is currently a housing crisis in York. York population in 2001 181K in 2011 202K, that is an increase of 21k in ten years. Given there is an increased birth rate and York can't adequately house it's existing population something like a Garden City extension is needed.

This would be a Brillant idea, York definately needs new housing, having travelled through similar areas in Germany and Scandinavia connected with public transport, cycle paths, walk ways, it would be amazing. Much better use of land than some lifeless farm fields.
BL2, You're laughably wrong, York needs to grow (all successful cities do), there is currently a housing crisis in York. York population in 2001 181K in 2011 202K, that is an increase of 21k in ten years. Given there is an increased birth rate and York can't adequately house it's existing population something like a Garden City extension is needed. This would be a Brillant idea, York definately needs new housing, having travelled through similar areas in Germany and Scandinavia connected with public transport, cycle paths, walk ways, it would be amazing. Much better use of land than some lifeless farm fields. thedrof
  • Score: 27

12:48pm Fri 5 Sep 14

munstombo says...

Is there the slightest chance protestors to any expansion in York are considering only their own 'quiet' futures with pompous disregard for future generations? !
Is there the slightest chance protestors to any expansion in York are considering only their own 'quiet' futures with pompous disregard for future generations? ! munstombo
  • Score: 21

12:48pm Fri 5 Sep 14

meme says...

BL2.....Shows how views vary!!
However the facts are
1. York will grow as will most attractive cities unless we have a plague and stop immigration and probable bring in compulsory sterilisation
2. green land will go somewhere around the city
3. It must be better to plan it than go at it piecemeal
we cannot freeze the city in aspic no matter how much those living here want to
BL2.....Shows how views vary!! However the facts are 1. York will grow as will most attractive cities unless we have a plague and stop immigration and probable bring in compulsory sterilisation 2. green land will go somewhere around the city 3. It must be better to plan it than go at it piecemeal we cannot freeze the city in aspic no matter how much those living here [me included] want to meme
  • Score: 22

1:01pm Fri 5 Sep 14

AGuyFromStresall says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
BL2 wrote:
NO, NO NO! The city does not need to grow and we certainly do not need to use up Greenbelt land!
York has the largest greenbelt outside of London. There really is no need to have such a large greenbelt but there is a need for housing since the two universities expanded by tens of thousands of students yet provided no additional housing. This is the sole reason rents have climbed to levels where people on minimum wages cannot hope to live in York. More housing is needed and this sounds like an excellent plan.
Making up your own facts much!?

York uni has grown, but by only 5k ish, lots I agree but hardly the panic inducing tens of thousands! (YSJ doesn't even have 10k!)
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: NO, NO NO! The city does not need to grow and we certainly do not need to use up Greenbelt land![/p][/quote]York has the largest greenbelt outside of London. There really is no need to have such a large greenbelt but there is a need for housing since the two universities expanded by tens of thousands of students yet provided no additional housing. This is the sole reason rents have climbed to levels where people on minimum wages cannot hope to live in York. More housing is needed and this sounds like an excellent plan.[/p][/quote]Making up your own facts much!? York uni has grown, but by only 5k ish, lots I agree but hardly the panic inducing tens of thousands! (YSJ doesn't even have 10k!) AGuyFromStresall
  • Score: 4

1:13pm Fri 5 Sep 14

acomblass says...

So Cllr Merrett is able to respond to this but not to letters sent to him over a month ago
So Cllr Merrett is able to respond to this but not to letters sent to him over a month ago acomblass
  • Score: -23

1:23pm Fri 5 Sep 14

meme says...

and before anyone says why not brownfield
York has some brownfield, but nowhere near enough to satisfy demand, certainly for houses! possibly for apartments there is enough in City centre ....but not everyone wants an apartment!!
we have tough choices.........Forc
e our next generations to rent flats or allow development on green land.... I love York and don't want it to change but its inevitable it will and I for one advocate a planned change to assist future generations live where they aspire to or be forced into homes that are too expensive and not what they want
The laws of demand and supply are unstoppable unfortunately
and before anyone says why not brownfield York has some brownfield, but nowhere near enough to satisfy demand, certainly for houses! possibly for apartments there is enough in City centre ....but not everyone wants an apartment!! we have tough choices.........Forc e our next generations to rent flats or allow development on green land.... I love York and don't want it to change but its inevitable it will and I for one advocate a planned change to assist future generations live where they aspire to or be forced into homes that are too expensive and not what they want The laws of demand and supply are unstoppable unfortunately meme
  • Score: 4

2:30pm Fri 5 Sep 14

rking1977 says...

Having just returned from a trip into central York, I do wonder how a council that's clearly struggling to keep a small city centre looking presentable on a day-to-day basis would cope if the entire city region doubled in size.

This idea reminds me of the urban design of the 1960s - entirely ideological and completely ignores the character of a place, or how people actually live in it.

Does Britain really have a "housing crisis"? You can buy a house in Hull or Bradford for £50k. The same house in the same sort of neighbourhood in London would be £500k.

The crisis is more to do with the fact decent jobs, investment and regional growth isn't being spread evenly.
Having just returned from a trip into central York, I do wonder how a council that's clearly struggling to keep a small city centre looking presentable on a day-to-day basis would cope if the entire city region doubled in size. This idea reminds me of the urban design of the 1960s - entirely ideological and completely ignores the character of a place, or how people actually live in it. Does Britain really have a "housing crisis"? You can buy a house in Hull or Bradford for £50k. The same house in the same sort of neighbourhood in London would be £500k. The crisis is more to do with the fact decent jobs, investment and regional growth isn't being spread evenly. rking1977
  • Score: 18

2:46pm Fri 5 Sep 14

whitehorse says...

The thing that makes york different from other urban centres surely is the countryside. Isn't it nice that, in around ten minutes we can be in a natural environment. I appreciate the needs of other subsequent generations but I'm not sure if I can reconcile that with the loss of the countryside. Tricky questions.
The thing that makes york different from other urban centres surely is the countryside. Isn't it nice that, in around ten minutes we can be in a natural environment. I appreciate the needs of other subsequent generations but I'm not sure if I can reconcile that with the loss of the countryside. Tricky questions. whitehorse
  • Score: 28

3:12pm Fri 5 Sep 14

mrcharly says...

thedrof wrote:
BL2, You're laughably wrong, York needs to grow (all successful cities do), there is currently a housing crisis in York. York population in 2001 181K in 2011 202K, that is an increase of 21k in ten years. Given there is an increased birth rate and York can't adequately house it's existing population something like a Garden City extension is needed.

This would be a Brillant idea, York definately needs new housing, having travelled through similar areas in Germany and Scandinavia connected with public transport, cycle paths, walk ways, it would be amazing. Much better use of land than some lifeless farm fields.
"lifeless farm fields"
Are you thick? Do you know where food comes from?
[quote][p][bold]thedrof[/bold] wrote: BL2, You're laughably wrong, York needs to grow (all successful cities do), there is currently a housing crisis in York. York population in 2001 181K in 2011 202K, that is an increase of 21k in ten years. Given there is an increased birth rate and York can't adequately house it's existing population something like a Garden City extension is needed. This would be a Brillant idea, York definately needs new housing, having travelled through similar areas in Germany and Scandinavia connected with public transport, cycle paths, walk ways, it would be amazing. Much better use of land than some lifeless farm fields.[/p][/quote]"lifeless farm fields" Are you thick? Do you know where food comes from? mrcharly
  • Score: -38

3:18pm Fri 5 Sep 14

RingoStarr says...

Ah, yes, David Rudlin: A founder Academician of the Academy for Urbanism.
Say no more.
Ah, yes, David Rudlin: A founder Academician of the Academy for Urbanism. Say no more. RingoStarr
  • Score: -12

5:26pm Fri 5 Sep 14

JHardacre says...

Great idea but do not let CYC near it unless you want it over budget, late, in the wrong place, badly thought out. In short it would be a complete hash.
Great idea but do not let CYC near it unless you want it over budget, late, in the wrong place, badly thought out. In short it would be a complete hash. JHardacre
  • Score: 10

6:00pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Martin true Viking says...

How does merret dare speak or continue to live and breath in this city. It needs doing the city need to grow. It needs an airport better transport to the city centre better use of everything available river, rail, roads but this council in particular and probably most others will not have a clue how to do it.
How does merret dare speak or continue to live and breath in this city. It needs doing the city need to grow. It needs an airport better transport to the city centre better use of everything available river, rail, roads but this council in particular and probably most others will not have a clue how to do it. Martin true Viking
  • Score: 8

8:20pm Fri 5 Sep 14

bloodaxe says...

ouseswimmer wrote:
BL2 wrote:
NO, NO NO! The city does not need to grow and we certainly do not need to use up Greenbelt land!
York has the largest greenbelt outside of London. There really is no need to have such a large greenbelt but there is a need for housing since the two universities expanded by tens of thousands of students yet provided no additional housing. This is the sole reason rents have climbed to levels where people on minimum wages cannot hope to live in York. More housing is needed and this sounds like an excellent plan.
The universities have invested millions on housing for students in York.
[quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: NO, NO NO! The city does not need to grow and we certainly do not need to use up Greenbelt land![/p][/quote]York has the largest greenbelt outside of London. There really is no need to have such a large greenbelt but there is a need for housing since the two universities expanded by tens of thousands of students yet provided no additional housing. This is the sole reason rents have climbed to levels where people on minimum wages cannot hope to live in York. More housing is needed and this sounds like an excellent plan.[/p][/quote]The universities have invested millions on housing for students in York. bloodaxe
  • Score: 6

10:04pm Fri 5 Sep 14

eeoodares says...

bloodaxe wrote:
ouseswimmer wrote:
BL2 wrote:
NO, NO NO! The city does not need to grow and we certainly do not need to use up Greenbelt land!
York has the largest greenbelt outside of London. There really is no need to have such a large greenbelt but there is a need for housing since the two universities expanded by tens of thousands of students yet provided no additional housing. This is the sole reason rents have climbed to levels where people on minimum wages cannot hope to live in York. More housing is needed and this sounds like an excellent plan.
The universities have invested millions on housing for students in York.
Not really, they have built first year digs, then they are out to residential areas.
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ouseswimmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: NO, NO NO! The city does not need to grow and we certainly do not need to use up Greenbelt land![/p][/quote]York has the largest greenbelt outside of London. There really is no need to have such a large greenbelt but there is a need for housing since the two universities expanded by tens of thousands of students yet provided no additional housing. This is the sole reason rents have climbed to levels where people on minimum wages cannot hope to live in York. More housing is needed and this sounds like an excellent plan.[/p][/quote]The universities have invested millions on housing for students in York.[/p][/quote]Not really, they have built first year digs, then they are out to residential areas. eeoodares
  • Score: 1

2:17am Sat 6 Sep 14

Magicman! says...

Britain is a desirable place to live, and evermore people are realising Yorkshire is a nice little slice of Britain to set up home. Then we have the fact there are more babies being born than there are old people dying. Like it or not, this country is going to have population growth as the years go by. We can either take a sensible approach to it and retain what is good whilst also accommodating the population growth, or we can act like spoilt children with our arms folded shouting "no no no!", which won't actually stop the development but is more likely to mean it is done in a botched manner. your choice really...
Britain is a desirable place to live, and evermore people are realising Yorkshire is a nice little slice of Britain to set up home. Then we have the fact there are more babies being born than there are old people dying. Like it or not, this country is going to have population growth as the years go by. We can either take a sensible approach to it and retain what is good whilst also accommodating the population growth, or we can act like spoilt children with our arms folded shouting "no no no!", which won't actually stop the development but is more likely to mean it is done in a botched manner. your choice really... Magicman!
  • Score: 2

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