Speed concerns of Navigation Road resident, Barbara Pettitt, 77,

Walmgate area resident, Barbara Pettitt is calling for a change in the speed limit in the Navigation Road area.

Walmgate area resident, Barbara Pettitt is calling for a change in the speed limit in the Navigation Road area.

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A YORK resident has told of her concerns about traffic in a residential area of the city.

Barbara Pettitt, 77, lives in Rosemary Place, off Navigation Road, and said traffic in the area has become so bad, she is convinced there will be a tragic outcome.

Mrs Pettitt, who has recently undergone a heart bypass and now uses a walking frame, has started a petition to appeal for traffic restrictions in the area, and said she had recently had to stop two children running into the road for a ball, as they could not see traffic for parked cars.

She said: "I counted the amount of traffic we had last Saturday and there were 450 cars going backwards and forwards, using it as a rat run to get to Morrisons. It was closer to 1,000 at night. They just don't give way and just look at me as if I should fly into the air and you're afraid to go on the path because bikes are using the pavement too.

"I'm just frightened for children's lives because they haven't got a chance. There's traffic and cars parked everywhere and you can't see around them. I think the traffic is horrendous."

Denise Craghill from the Green Party is leading the campaign for a 20mph speed limit on roads in the Navigation Road area, and said: "People like Barbara Pettitt in the Navigation Road area have been asking for this for years.

"The general approach the council is taking is that they aren't including any areas inside the walls because that's the city centre and should be dealt with separately. We think that makes sense for the centre and foot streets, but we believe this area is residential and should be treated the same."

Mrs Pettitt said: "I'm just waiting for something to happen.

"The new hotel will bring people to the city and more cars but while that's encouraging trade, it's just too much. We could do with a pedestrian crossing but there's nothing. With more traffic there won't be anywhere for you to walk safely. You can't relax, you're on edge all the time. All I want to do is to be able to walk across the road safely without having to constantly look both ways while crossing."

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11:48am Sat 30 Aug 14

Jack Ham says...

This is conflating two issues. Congestion due to poor road planning and pedestrian safety due to excess speed.

The current administration is clearly anti-car so won't care about congestion and I'd be surprised if drivers on that stretch of road, if as busy as claimed, could get above 20mph anyway.
This is conflating two issues. Congestion due to poor road planning and pedestrian safety due to excess speed. The current administration is clearly anti-car so won't care about congestion and I'd be surprised if drivers on that stretch of road, if as busy as claimed, could get above 20mph anyway. Jack Ham
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12:46pm Sat 30 Aug 14

KevinWard59 says...

Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate.

In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area.

Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing). The then City of York Council refused to even glance at it. Cllr D. Merritt said "Fulford Road Corridor is going out to external consultation and we don't have money to move kerbs" (2 weeks before extending the footpath and kerb at museum gardens). He suggested that I "go along to a consultation meeting and show it there - as a member of the public!" Of course they wouldn't let me show it or talk about it.

OK, back to precise matter:- Navigation Road would have at least a 50% reduction in usage if it was made a One-Way from Foss Islands a Road to Walmgate. If I recall correctly it is already No Vehicles except for access. Motorised Residents would probably complain about having to drive "round the block" to get home.

Making a restriction only from halfway down Navigation Road (the junction with Percy Lane) would probably keep all parties happy.

It would mean that car owners on the parallel cul-de-sac that is Rosemary Court would have to get to their properties from the Foss Islands Road end.

Morrison's traffic (who refused to put up the graphic because "it was nothing to do with them" and "were in the business of selling tins of beans" should mean that they have nothing to say on the matter.

With Coppergate closed it would mean access to Morrissons would only be by following the Inner Ring Road from Bootham and from Fishergate.

But as their spokesperson said it doesn't concern them.

For details of the Barbican Road One Way System solution which 1000's of letter writers to the Press have been begging for you could try Googling kevinwardportfolio and scroll down the comments to find the appropriate permanent link.

This page was created when, after Hugh Bailey MP wrote to City of York Council suggesting they arrange a meeting to see my long existent plan newly produced graphics, Richard Bogg emailed twice. The second time was over three months ago saying he passed it to
IT department because the links didn't work. The links in the comments section on sites.google.com/sit
e/kevinwardportfolio cannot be inadvertently destroyed.

All the Councillors have had details emailed but none have asked any questions or commented or even mentioned that they'd seen the solutions. Cllr Andy D'Argone was the only one yo reply saying "We don't have time to trudge around alien dropboxes" If he had he'll realise that many of the 20 mph roads fail to meet guideline requirements. Fulford Road on virtually every point. Had the official speed limit assessment tool being used it would possibly recommend an INCREASE in that speed limit.

20 mph should be considered where average speeds exceed 24 mph and ONLY be implemented for lengths of over 600 metres AFTER trying chicanes and speed humps.

Navigation Road has had speed humps/platforms for some time, so chicanes too, first before 20 mph. Alternatively, the quick fix of a One-way between Foss Islands Road and Percy Lane could be a sensibly far cheaper and more effective solution for an alleged cash strapped council:- all the expenditure on 20 mph signs which often have a total installation cost including consultation, planning, office work manufacture and installation at around £1000 to £1500 per sign.
Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate. In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area. Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing). The then City of York Council refused to even glance at it. Cllr D. Merritt said "Fulford Road Corridor is going out to external consultation and we don't have money to move kerbs" (2 weeks before extending the footpath and kerb at museum gardens). He suggested that I "go along to a consultation meeting and show it there - as a member of the public!" Of course they wouldn't let me show it or talk about it. OK, back to precise matter:- Navigation Road would have at least a 50% reduction in usage if it was made a One-Way from Foss Islands a Road to Walmgate. If I recall correctly it is already No Vehicles except for access. Motorised Residents would probably complain about having to drive "round the block" to get home. Making a restriction only from halfway down Navigation Road (the junction with Percy Lane) would probably keep all parties happy. It would mean that car owners on the parallel cul-de-sac that is Rosemary Court would have to get to their properties from the Foss Islands Road end. Morrison's traffic (who refused to put up the graphic because "it was nothing to do with them" and "were in the business of selling tins of beans" should mean that they have nothing to say on the matter. With Coppergate closed it would mean access to Morrissons would only be by following the Inner Ring Road from Bootham and from Fishergate. But as their spokesperson said it doesn't concern them. For details of the Barbican Road One Way System solution which 1000's of letter writers to the Press have been begging for you could try Googling kevinwardportfolio and scroll down the comments to find the appropriate permanent link. This page was created when, after Hugh Bailey MP wrote to City of York Council suggesting they arrange a meeting to see my long existent plan newly produced graphics, Richard Bogg emailed twice. The second time was over three months ago saying he passed it to IT department because the links didn't work. The links in the comments section on sites.google.com/sit e/kevinwardportfolio cannot be inadvertently destroyed. All the Councillors have had details emailed but none have asked any questions or commented or even mentioned that they'd seen the solutions. Cllr Andy D'Argone was the only one yo reply saying "We don't have time to trudge around alien dropboxes" If he had he'll realise that many of the 20 mph roads fail to meet guideline requirements. Fulford Road on virtually every point. Had the official speed limit assessment tool being used it would possibly recommend an INCREASE in that speed limit. 20 mph should be considered where average speeds exceed 24 mph and ONLY be implemented for lengths of over 600 metres AFTER trying chicanes and speed humps. Navigation Road has had speed humps/platforms for some time, so chicanes too, first before 20 mph. Alternatively, the quick fix of a One-way between Foss Islands Road and Percy Lane could be a sensibly far cheaper and more effective solution for an alleged cash strapped council:- all the expenditure on 20 mph signs which often have a total installation cost including consultation, planning, office work manufacture and installation at around £1000 to £1500 per sign. KevinWard59
  • Score: 15

2:08pm Sat 30 Aug 14

old_geezer says...

Dare I suggest a rising bollard at Percy's Lane with residents' access cards, similar to Victoria Bar? Though from Mr Ward's comments, my guess is that with associated signage CYC wouldn't fund it.
Dare I suggest a rising bollard at Percy's Lane with residents' access cards, similar to Victoria Bar? Though from Mr Ward's comments, my guess is that with associated signage CYC wouldn't fund it. old_geezer
  • Score: -1

3:07pm Sat 30 Aug 14

sensibleyorkresident says...

won't somebody please think of the children!
won't somebody please think of the children! sensibleyorkresident
  • Score: -1

3:20pm Sat 30 Aug 14

KevinWard59 says...

old_geezer wrote:
Dare I suggest a rising bollard at Percy's Lane with residents' access cards, similar to Victoria Bar? Though from Mr Ward's comments, my guess is that with associated signage CYC wouldn't fund it.
A quick look at a map shows that all the residential streets off navigation road are before Percy Lane except one so the bollard you suggest would only serve to allow them to go home via an equally long route except for a few metres if approaching from Walmgate end and thus avoid the lights at Walmgate Bar.

Perhaps, therefore CYC should request the residents of Rosemary Place and Rosemary Court (who are worried about Morrisons customers/traffic avoiding the Walmgate light and travelling at over 20 mph, when their young children are out plying with a ball late at night 2 streets lengths from their home, if they may wish to finance a rising bollard?
[quote][p][bold]old_geezer[/bold] wrote: Dare I suggest a rising bollard at Percy's Lane with residents' access cards, similar to Victoria Bar? Though from Mr Ward's comments, my guess is that with associated signage CYC wouldn't fund it.[/p][/quote]A quick look at a map shows that all the residential streets off navigation road are before Percy Lane except one so the bollard you suggest would only serve to allow them to go home via an equally long route except for a few metres if approaching from Walmgate end and thus avoid the lights at Walmgate Bar. Perhaps, therefore CYC should request the residents of Rosemary Place and Rosemary Court (who are worried about Morrisons customers/traffic avoiding the Walmgate light and travelling at over 20 mph, when their young children are out plying with a ball late at night 2 streets lengths from their home, if they may wish to finance a rising bollard? KevinWard59
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3:36pm Sat 30 Aug 14

KevinWard59 says...

sensibleyorkresident wrote:
won't somebody please think of the children!
Re this comment posted before I was able to finish writing my consideration which ruled out my mentioning a rising bollard.

You may notice that I do take the children into account.

Remember, too, that to consider a 20 mph there normally has to have already been an injury or fatality on a mainly car route (based on the complainant description of the road usage) plus the failed use of speed humps over quite a few years. Also chicanes need to be tried before introducing a 20 mph - according to the Department For Transport January 2013 guidance entitled "Setting Local Speed limits". Remember, too that this must be decided on the results from using the on-line appraisal tool. Failure to use this tool would provide a "Loop hole" for ALL summonsed speeders to have the alleged offence thrown out of court.

It was also brought to my attention in a telephone conversation that if the tool is not used - then that speed limit is rendered to not exist and not be enforcible (this explains why the Police would be wasting time and effort with no end result using a speed camera).

Not only that, but the road, from a legal viewpoint would have a limitless "speed limit" so vehicles could actually travel at 60 mph without fear of a successful prosecution.

(Take careful note Cllrs Semolina and D'Argorne and dredge through the Alien Drop-box).
[quote][p][bold]sensibleyorkresident[/bold] wrote: won't somebody please think of the children![/p][/quote]Re this comment posted before I was able to finish writing my consideration which ruled out my mentioning a rising bollard. You may notice that I do take the children into account. Remember, too, that to consider a 20 mph there normally has to have already been an injury or fatality on a mainly car route (based on the complainant description of the road usage) plus the failed use of speed humps over quite a few years. Also chicanes need to be tried before introducing a 20 mph - according to the Department For Transport January 2013 guidance entitled "Setting Local Speed limits". Remember, too that this must be decided on the results from using the on-line appraisal tool. Failure to use this tool would provide a "Loop hole" for ALL summonsed speeders to have the alleged offence thrown out of court. It was also brought to my attention in a telephone conversation that if the tool is not used - then that speed limit is rendered to not exist and not be enforcible (this explains why the Police would be wasting time and effort with no end result using a speed camera). Not only that, but the road, from a legal viewpoint would have a limitless "speed limit" so vehicles could actually travel at 60 mph without fear of a successful prosecution. (Take careful note Cllrs Semolina and D'Argorne and dredge through the Alien Drop-box). KevinWard59
  • Score: -1

3:49pm Sat 30 Aug 14

KevinWard59 says...

It goes without saying that the last points are applicable to ALL the "dodgy" 20 mph speed limits imposed in York which means in reality they've created a Blanket no limit at ALL and even 60 or 70 mph (In Law) will fail prosecution if attempted by the Crown Prosecution Service - in the same way many criminal charges attempted by the Police do in other anti-social crimes.
It goes without saying that the last points are applicable to ALL the "dodgy" 20 mph speed limits imposed in York which means in reality they've created a Blanket no limit at ALL and even 60 or 70 mph (In Law) will fail prosecution if attempted by the Crown Prosecution Service - in the same way many criminal charges attempted by the Police do in other anti-social crimes. KevinWard59
  • Score: 0

4:51pm Sat 30 Aug 14

sensibleyorkresident says...

For those who missed the sarcasm...

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=RybNI0KB
1bg

I don't really think that this lady's priority is "the children", I think it's a typical case of Extreme York Nimbyism, with the children being used as a lever to get people to pay attention and/or get them on side of argument. It's just winging and moaning about how busy and noisy it is in the city...IT'S A CITY!

"All I want to do is to be able to walk across the road safely without having to constantly look both ways while crossing."

What's wrong with looking both ways while crossing, even if crossing slowly. This is one of the main dangers that law abiding York cyclists face everyday, people not looking when crossing the road after they think it's clear because they've looked or listened for cars. When a cyclist hits this woman because she didn't check that the road was clear it will be cyclists who are vilified. This woman has a poor attitude towards road and personal safety and towards other road users in general.
For those who missed the sarcasm... https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=RybNI0KB 1bg I don't really think that this lady's priority is "the children", I think it's a typical case of Extreme York Nimbyism, with the children being used as a lever to get people to pay attention and/or get them on side of argument. It's just winging and moaning about how busy and noisy it is in the city...IT'S A CITY! "All I want to do is to be able to walk across the road safely without having to constantly look both ways while crossing." What's wrong with looking both ways while crossing, even if crossing slowly. This is one of the main dangers that law abiding York cyclists face everyday, people not looking when crossing the road after they think it's clear because they've looked or listened for cars. When a cyclist hits this woman because she didn't check that the road was clear it will be cyclists who are vilified. This woman has a poor attitude towards road and personal safety and towards other road users in general. sensibleyorkresident
  • Score: 19

6:54pm Sat 30 Aug 14

york_chap says...

"I counted the amount of traffic we had last Saturday and there were 450 cars going backwards and forwards.....to get to Morrisons". Firstly, 450 cars over a whole Saturday is merely a trifling amount of traffic; it couldn't be further from "horrendous". Even if that number of vehicles all went past in just the morning, it'd still be less than 2 per minute. Anyone who needs a minute or more to cross a relatively narrow street would not be able to use any green man crossing anywhere in the country and should seek help urgently.

Secondly, the notion that every one of those 450 vehicles was being driven to Morrisons is simply absurd. The drivers using this street could be going to/from any number of destinations. In any event, the only reason people generally drive along the streets in that area is to avoid the poorly phased and unnecessary sets of traffic lights which the council have dotted slap-dash along Foss Islands Road and other major routes in the vicinity. An example of poorly phased lights being the Foss Islands Rd/ Walmgate junction for traffic leaving Foss Islands and an example of unnecessary lights being the set at the entrance to Waitrose).

"she recently had to stop two children running into the road for a ball, as they could not see traffic for parked cars".

The fact that these children were (a) intent on running into the road after a ball and (b) about to do so despite not being able to see between the parked cars is simply a reflection of poor parenting and poor road safety education in schools. Yet it's motorists who should be banished from the area. We need to end this ridiculous trend of blaming motorists for the careless and indeed reckless behaviour of some pedestrians. I was taught from being a tiny child that you don't play beside a road, you never run into the road without looking and you take extra care if you have to cross between parked cars. We should not be encouraging this attitude that people should be freely able to dart out into the road without looking - that really is the path to inevitable fatalities.

If you choose to live in a built-up area close to a city centre (particularly one where the local council causes congestion on the main roads) you should expect some parked cars and traffic. Children should play in their garden or at the park, not beside the street in such a busy area.
"I counted the amount of traffic we had last Saturday and there were 450 cars going backwards and forwards.....to get to Morrisons". Firstly, 450 cars over a whole Saturday is merely a trifling amount of traffic; it couldn't be further from "horrendous". Even if that number of vehicles all went past in just the morning, it'd still be less than 2 per minute. Anyone who needs a minute or more to cross a relatively narrow street would not be able to use any green man crossing anywhere in the country and should seek help urgently. Secondly, the notion that every one of those 450 vehicles was being driven to Morrisons is simply absurd. The drivers using this street could be going to/from any number of destinations. In any event, the only reason people generally drive along the streets in that area is to avoid the poorly phased and unnecessary sets of traffic lights which the council have dotted slap-dash along Foss Islands Road and other major routes in the vicinity. An example of poorly phased lights being the Foss Islands Rd/ Walmgate junction for traffic leaving Foss Islands and an example of unnecessary lights being the set at the entrance to Waitrose). "she recently had to stop two children running into the road for a ball, as they could not see traffic for parked cars". The fact that these children were (a) intent on running into the road after a ball and (b) about to do so despite not being able to see between the parked cars is simply a reflection of poor parenting and poor road safety education in schools. Yet it's motorists who should be banished from the area. We need to end this ridiculous trend of blaming motorists for the careless and indeed reckless behaviour of some pedestrians. I was taught from being a tiny child that you don't play beside a road, you never run into the road without looking and you take extra care if you have to cross between parked cars. We should not be encouraging this attitude that people should be freely able to dart out into the road without looking - that really is the path to inevitable fatalities. If you choose to live in a built-up area close to a city centre (particularly one where the local council causes congestion on the main roads) you should expect some parked cars and traffic. Children should play in their garden or at the park, not beside the street in such a busy area. york_chap
  • Score: 46

7:14pm Sat 30 Aug 14

KevinWard59 says...

york_chap wrote:
"I counted the amount of traffic we had last Saturday and there were 450 cars going backwards and forwards.....to get to Morrisons". Firstly, 450 cars over a whole Saturday is merely a trifling amount of traffic; it couldn't be further from "horrendous". Even if that number of vehicles all went past in just the morning, it'd still be less than 2 per minute. Anyone who needs a minute or more to cross a relatively narrow street would not be able to use any green man crossing anywhere in the country and should seek help urgently.

Secondly, the notion that every one of those 450 vehicles was being driven to Morrisons is simply absurd. The drivers using this street could be going to/from any number of destinations. In any event, the only reason people generally drive along the streets in that area is to avoid the poorly phased and unnecessary sets of traffic lights which the council have dotted slap-dash along Foss Islands Road and other major routes in the vicinity. An example of poorly phased lights being the Foss Islands Rd/ Walmgate junction for traffic leaving Foss Islands and an example of unnecessary lights being the set at the entrance to Waitrose).

"she recently had to stop two children running into the road for a ball, as they could not see traffic for parked cars".

The fact that these children were (a) intent on running into the road after a ball and (b) about to do so despite not being able to see between the parked cars is simply a reflection of poor parenting and poor road safety education in schools. Yet it's motorists who should be banished from the area. We need to end this ridiculous trend of blaming motorists for the careless and indeed reckless behaviour of some pedestrians. I was taught from being a tiny child that you don't play beside a road, you never run into the road without looking and you take extra care if you have to cross between parked cars. We should not be encouraging this attitude that people should be freely able to dart out into the road without looking - that really is the path to inevitable fatalities.

If you choose to live in a built-up area close to a city centre (particularly one where the local council causes congestion on the main roads) you should expect some parked cars and traffic. Children should play in their garden or at the park, not beside the street in such a busy area.
Or perhaps they should be disciplined and told to play in their own quiet street with a ball which runs parallel to Navigation Road and not play football in what has earlier been described as heavy traffic until late at night.

To reiterate what I pointed out earlier - although the signs say 20, there is NO LIMIT NOW due to not using the assessment tool provided and not following DFT guidance.
[quote][p][bold]york_chap[/bold] wrote: "I counted the amount of traffic we had last Saturday and there were 450 cars going backwards and forwards.....to get to Morrisons". Firstly, 450 cars over a whole Saturday is merely a trifling amount of traffic; it couldn't be further from "horrendous". Even if that number of vehicles all went past in just the morning, it'd still be less than 2 per minute. Anyone who needs a minute or more to cross a relatively narrow street would not be able to use any green man crossing anywhere in the country and should seek help urgently. Secondly, the notion that every one of those 450 vehicles was being driven to Morrisons is simply absurd. The drivers using this street could be going to/from any number of destinations. In any event, the only reason people generally drive along the streets in that area is to avoid the poorly phased and unnecessary sets of traffic lights which the council have dotted slap-dash along Foss Islands Road and other major routes in the vicinity. An example of poorly phased lights being the Foss Islands Rd/ Walmgate junction for traffic leaving Foss Islands and an example of unnecessary lights being the set at the entrance to Waitrose). "she recently had to stop two children running into the road for a ball, as they could not see traffic for parked cars". The fact that these children were (a) intent on running into the road after a ball and (b) about to do so despite not being able to see between the parked cars is simply a reflection of poor parenting and poor road safety education in schools. Yet it's motorists who should be banished from the area. We need to end this ridiculous trend of blaming motorists for the careless and indeed reckless behaviour of some pedestrians. I was taught from being a tiny child that you don't play beside a road, you never run into the road without looking and you take extra care if you have to cross between parked cars. We should not be encouraging this attitude that people should be freely able to dart out into the road without looking - that really is the path to inevitable fatalities. If you choose to live in a built-up area close to a city centre (particularly one where the local council causes congestion on the main roads) you should expect some parked cars and traffic. Children should play in their garden or at the park, not beside the street in such a busy area.[/p][/quote]Or perhaps they should be disciplined and told to play in their own quiet street with a ball which runs parallel to Navigation Road and not play football in what has earlier been described as heavy traffic until late at night. To reiterate what I pointed out earlier - although the signs say 20, there is NO LIMIT NOW due to not using the assessment tool provided and not following DFT guidance. KevinWard59
  • Score: 0

8:17pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

KevinWard59 wrote:
Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate.

In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area.

Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing). The then City of York Council refused to even glance at it. Cllr D. Merritt said "Fulford Road Corridor is going out to external consultation and we don't have money to move kerbs" (2 weeks before extending the footpath and kerb at museum gardens). He suggested that I "go along to a consultation meeting and show it there - as a member of the public!" Of course they wouldn't let me show it or talk about it.

OK, back to precise matter:- Navigation Road would have at least a 50% reduction in usage if it was made a One-Way from Foss Islands a Road to Walmgate. If I recall correctly it is already No Vehicles except for access. Motorised Residents would probably complain about having to drive "round the block" to get home.

Making a restriction only from halfway down Navigation Road (the junction with Percy Lane) would probably keep all parties happy.

It would mean that car owners on the parallel cul-de-sac that is Rosemary Court would have to get to their properties from the Foss Islands Road end.

Morrison's traffic (who refused to put up the graphic because "it was nothing to do with them" and "were in the business of selling tins of beans" should mean that they have nothing to say on the matter.

With Coppergate closed it would mean access to Morrissons would only be by following the Inner Ring Road from Bootham and from Fishergate.

But as their spokesperson said it doesn't concern them.

For details of the Barbican Road One Way System solution which 1000's of letter writers to the Press have been begging for you could try Googling kevinwardportfolio and scroll down the comments to find the appropriate permanent link.

This page was created when, after Hugh Bailey MP wrote to City of York Council suggesting they arrange a meeting to see my long existent plan newly produced graphics, Richard Bogg emailed twice. The second time was over three months ago saying he passed it to
IT department because the links didn't work. The links in the comments section on sites.google.com/sit

e/kevinwardportfolio cannot be inadvertently destroyed.

All the Councillors have had details emailed but none have asked any questions or commented or even mentioned that they'd seen the solutions. Cllr Andy D'Argone was the only one yo reply saying "We don't have time to trudge around alien dropboxes" If he had he'll realise that many of the 20 mph roads fail to meet guideline requirements. Fulford Road on virtually every point. Had the official speed limit assessment tool being used it would possibly recommend an INCREASE in that speed limit.

20 mph should be considered where average speeds exceed 24 mph and ONLY be implemented for lengths of over 600 metres AFTER trying chicanes and speed humps.

Navigation Road has had speed humps/platforms for some time, so chicanes too, first before 20 mph. Alternatively, the quick fix of a One-way between Foss Islands Road and Percy Lane could be a sensibly far cheaper and more effective solution for an alleged cash strapped council:- all the expenditure on 20 mph signs which often have a total installation cost including consultation, planning, office work manufacture and installation at around £1000 to £1500 per sign.
Quite right Kevin. But will the council get to grips with the 20 limit guidelines issued last year? I presume not. Any citizen can ask for a speed limit change, I believe.

Driverless cars are being programmed to break speed limits to avoid accidents!

Motoring, driving, congestion all have an independence and need to be perused/brainstormed each with each as well. When the council get to grips with looking thoroughly at transport they MUST FOLLOW rules/regulations and laws; and also consider motorists AND all road users; whilst keeping down pollution. Traffic should be able to flow much more than it is at the moment.

This road is a rat run but I see no evidence of speeding on the odd occasion I use it.
[quote][p][bold]KevinWard59[/bold] wrote: Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate. In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area. Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing). The then City of York Council refused to even glance at it. Cllr D. Merritt said "Fulford Road Corridor is going out to external consultation and we don't have money to move kerbs" (2 weeks before extending the footpath and kerb at museum gardens). He suggested that I "go along to a consultation meeting and show it there - as a member of the public!" Of course they wouldn't let me show it or talk about it. OK, back to precise matter:- Navigation Road would have at least a 50% reduction in usage if it was made a One-Way from Foss Islands a Road to Walmgate. If I recall correctly it is already No Vehicles except for access. Motorised Residents would probably complain about having to drive "round the block" to get home. Making a restriction only from halfway down Navigation Road (the junction with Percy Lane) would probably keep all parties happy. It would mean that car owners on the parallel cul-de-sac that is Rosemary Court would have to get to their properties from the Foss Islands Road end. Morrison's traffic (who refused to put up the graphic because "it was nothing to do with them" and "were in the business of selling tins of beans" should mean that they have nothing to say on the matter. With Coppergate closed it would mean access to Morrissons would only be by following the Inner Ring Road from Bootham and from Fishergate. But as their spokesperson said it doesn't concern them. For details of the Barbican Road One Way System solution which 1000's of letter writers to the Press have been begging for you could try Googling kevinwardportfolio and scroll down the comments to find the appropriate permanent link. This page was created when, after Hugh Bailey MP wrote to City of York Council suggesting they arrange a meeting to see my long existent plan newly produced graphics, Richard Bogg emailed twice. The second time was over three months ago saying he passed it to IT department because the links didn't work. The links in the comments section on sites.google.com/sit e/kevinwardportfolio cannot be inadvertently destroyed. All the Councillors have had details emailed but none have asked any questions or commented or even mentioned that they'd seen the solutions. Cllr Andy D'Argone was the only one yo reply saying "We don't have time to trudge around alien dropboxes" If he had he'll realise that many of the 20 mph roads fail to meet guideline requirements. Fulford Road on virtually every point. Had the official speed limit assessment tool being used it would possibly recommend an INCREASE in that speed limit. 20 mph should be considered where average speeds exceed 24 mph and ONLY be implemented for lengths of over 600 metres AFTER trying chicanes and speed humps. Navigation Road has had speed humps/platforms for some time, so chicanes too, first before 20 mph. Alternatively, the quick fix of a One-way between Foss Islands Road and Percy Lane could be a sensibly far cheaper and more effective solution for an alleged cash strapped council:- all the expenditure on 20 mph signs which often have a total installation cost including consultation, planning, office work manufacture and installation at around £1000 to £1500 per sign.[/p][/quote]Quite right Kevin. But will the council get to grips with the 20 limit guidelines issued last year? I presume not. Any citizen can ask for a speed limit change, I believe. Driverless cars are being programmed to break speed limits to avoid accidents! Motoring, driving, congestion all have an independence and need to be perused/brainstormed each with each as well. When the council get to grips with looking thoroughly at transport they MUST FOLLOW rules/regulations and laws; and also consider motorists AND all road users; whilst keeping down pollution. Traffic should be able to flow much more than it is at the moment. This road is a rat run but I see no evidence of speeding on the odd occasion I use it. Cheeky face
  • Score: 15

8:29pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

KevinWard59 wrote:
york_chap wrote:
"I counted the amount of traffic we had last Saturday and there were 450 cars going backwards and forwards.....to get to Morrisons". Firstly, 450 cars over a whole Saturday is merely a trifling amount of traffic; it couldn't be further from "horrendous". Even if that number of vehicles all went past in just the morning, it'd still be less than 2 per minute. Anyone who needs a minute or more to cross a relatively narrow street would not be able to use any green man crossing anywhere in the country and should seek help urgently.

Secondly, the notion that every one of those 450 vehicles was being driven to Morrisons is simply absurd. The drivers using this street could be going to/from any number of destinations. In any event, the only reason people generally drive along the streets in that area is to avoid the poorly phased and unnecessary sets of traffic lights which the council have dotted slap-dash along Foss Islands Road and other major routes in the vicinity. An example of poorly phased lights being the Foss Islands Rd/ Walmgate junction for traffic leaving Foss Islands and an example of unnecessary lights being the set at the entrance to Waitrose).

"she recently had to stop two children running into the road for a ball, as they could not see traffic for parked cars".

The fact that these children were (a) intent on running into the road after a ball and (b) about to do so despite not being able to see between the parked cars is simply a reflection of poor parenting and poor road safety education in schools. Yet it's motorists who should be banished from the area. We need to end this ridiculous trend of blaming motorists for the careless and indeed reckless behaviour of some pedestrians. I was taught from being a tiny child that you don't play beside a road, you never run into the road without looking and you take extra care if you have to cross between parked cars. We should not be encouraging this attitude that people should be freely able to dart out into the road without looking - that really is the path to inevitable fatalities.

If you choose to live in a built-up area close to a city centre (particularly one where the local council causes congestion on the main roads) you should expect some parked cars and traffic. Children should play in their garden or at the park, not beside the street in such a busy area.
Or perhaps they should be disciplined and told to play in their own quiet street with a ball which runs parallel to Navigation Road and not play football in what has earlier been described as heavy traffic until late at night.

To reiterate what I pointed out earlier - although the signs say 20, there is NO LIMIT NOW due to not using the assessment tool provided and not following DFT guidance.
Is this failure to follow DfT guidance an ongoing "disease" with this council?

20 odd years ago signs re coaches being prohibited in much of the City appeared to be of doubtful decision making. Followed by Lendal Bridge
trial it appears errors are continuing too often. Coppergate prohibited motoring scheme, I contest, is still wrong. Whether the council/police are made to refund fines for Coppergate motoring transgressions may well follow the council's appeal determination.

The police will probably never prosecute, under their current people
complement.
[quote][p][bold]KevinWard59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]york_chap[/bold] wrote: "I counted the amount of traffic we had last Saturday and there were 450 cars going backwards and forwards.....to get to Morrisons". Firstly, 450 cars over a whole Saturday is merely a trifling amount of traffic; it couldn't be further from "horrendous". Even if that number of vehicles all went past in just the morning, it'd still be less than 2 per minute. Anyone who needs a minute or more to cross a relatively narrow street would not be able to use any green man crossing anywhere in the country and should seek help urgently. Secondly, the notion that every one of those 450 vehicles was being driven to Morrisons is simply absurd. The drivers using this street could be going to/from any number of destinations. In any event, the only reason people generally drive along the streets in that area is to avoid the poorly phased and unnecessary sets of traffic lights which the council have dotted slap-dash along Foss Islands Road and other major routes in the vicinity. An example of poorly phased lights being the Foss Islands Rd/ Walmgate junction for traffic leaving Foss Islands and an example of unnecessary lights being the set at the entrance to Waitrose). "she recently had to stop two children running into the road for a ball, as they could not see traffic for parked cars". The fact that these children were (a) intent on running into the road after a ball and (b) about to do so despite not being able to see between the parked cars is simply a reflection of poor parenting and poor road safety education in schools. Yet it's motorists who should be banished from the area. We need to end this ridiculous trend of blaming motorists for the careless and indeed reckless behaviour of some pedestrians. I was taught from being a tiny child that you don't play beside a road, you never run into the road without looking and you take extra care if you have to cross between parked cars. We should not be encouraging this attitude that people should be freely able to dart out into the road without looking - that really is the path to inevitable fatalities. If you choose to live in a built-up area close to a city centre (particularly one where the local council causes congestion on the main roads) you should expect some parked cars and traffic. Children should play in their garden or at the park, not beside the street in such a busy area.[/p][/quote]Or perhaps they should be disciplined and told to play in their own quiet street with a ball which runs parallel to Navigation Road and not play football in what has earlier been described as heavy traffic until late at night. To reiterate what I pointed out earlier - although the signs say 20, there is NO LIMIT NOW due to not using the assessment tool provided and not following DFT guidance.[/p][/quote]Is this failure to follow DfT guidance an ongoing "disease" with this council? 20 odd years ago signs re coaches being prohibited in much of the City appeared to be of doubtful decision making. Followed by Lendal Bridge trial it appears errors are continuing too often. Coppergate prohibited motoring scheme, I contest, is still wrong. Whether the council/police are made to refund fines for Coppergate motoring transgressions may well follow the council's appeal determination. The police will probably never prosecute, under their current people complement. Cheeky face
  • Score: 2

8:45pm Sat 30 Aug 14

pedalling paul says...

Check the "Living Streets" website and associated links to see how positive action can be taken.
Check the "Living Streets" website and associated links to see how positive action can be taken. pedalling paul
  • Score: 26

9:06pm Sat 30 Aug 14

KevinWard59 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Check the "Living Streets" website and associated links to see how positive action can be taken.
Explain this ridiculous comment peeing paul.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Check the "Living Streets" website and associated links to see how positive action can be taken.[/p][/quote]Explain this ridiculous comment peeing paul. KevinWard59
  • Score: 6

9:16pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Martin true Viking says...

I noticed a 20 mph speed sign on the end of carrick gardens yesterday. The street is a cul de sac no more than 60 metres long what's the point of that.
I noticed a 20 mph speed sign on the end of carrick gardens yesterday. The street is a cul de sac no more than 60 metres long what's the point of that. Martin true Viking
  • Score: 25

9:36pm Sat 30 Aug 14

sammy07 says...

KevinWard59 wrote:
Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate.

In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area.

Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing). The then City of York Council refused to even glance at it. Cllr D. Merritt said "Fulford Road Corridor is going out to external consultation and we don't have money to move kerbsKevinWard59 wrote:
Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate. In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area. Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing)

Morrisons wasnt there in 1990 so how could they.. or am I reading that wrong..but there is no way morrisons were in foss islands in 1990 ( 24 years ago)
[quote][p][bold]KevinWard59[/bold] wrote: Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate. In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area. Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing). The then City of York Council refused to even glance at it. Cllr D. Merritt said "Fulford Road Corridor is going out to external consultation and we don't have money to move kerbsKevinWard59 wrote: Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate. In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area. Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing) Morrisons wasnt there in 1990 so how could they.. or am I reading that wrong..but there is no way morrisons were in foss islands in 1990 ( 24 years ago) sammy07
  • Score: 9

9:54pm Sat 30 Aug 14

KevinWard59 says...

Martin true Viking wrote:
I noticed a 20 mph speed sign on the end of carrick gardens yesterday. The street is a cul de sac no more than 60 metres long what's the point of that.
Guidance says 600 metres minimum and not usually if usual regular speed under 24 mph; but is not totally clear if that includes a short residential cul-de-sac nor if there are commercial premed is on each side like School Street in Acomb.
[quote][p][bold]Martin true Viking[/bold] wrote: I noticed a 20 mph speed sign on the end of carrick gardens yesterday. The street is a cul de sac no more than 60 metres long what's the point of that.[/p][/quote]Guidance says 600 metres minimum and not usually if usual regular speed under 24 mph; but is not totally clear if that includes a short residential cul-de-sac nor if there are commercial premed is on each side like School Street in Acomb. KevinWard59
  • Score: 1

9:56pm Sat 30 Aug 14

KevinWard59 says...

sammy07 wrote:
KevinWard59 wrote:
Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate.

In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area.

Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing). The then City of York Council refused to even glance at it. Cllr D. Merritt said "Fulford Road Corridor is going out to external consultation and we don't have money to move kerbsKevinWard59 wrote:
Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate. In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area. Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing)

Morrisons wasnt there in 1990 so how could they.. or am I reading that wrong..but there is no way morrisons were in foss islands in 1990 ( 24 years ago)Of course not.

The route was because you've not been able to turn left and go through Walmgate Bar for Decades.
[quote][p][bold]sammy07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KevinWard59[/bold] wrote: Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate. In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area. Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing). The then City of York Council refused to even glance at it. Cllr D. Merritt said "Fulford Road Corridor is going out to external consultation and we don't have money to move kerbsKevinWard59 wrote: Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate. In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area. Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing) Morrisons wasnt there in 1990 so how could they.. or am I reading that wrong..but there is no way morrisons were in foss islands in 1990 ( 24 years ago)[/p][/quote]Of course not. The route was because you've not been able to turn left and go through Walmgate Bar for Decades. KevinWard59
  • Score: -2

10:03pm Sat 30 Aug 14

KevinWard59 says...

KevinWard59 wrote:
sammy07 wrote:
KevinWard59 wrote:
Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate.

In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area.

Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing). The then City of York Council refused to even glance at it. Cllr D. Merritt said "Fulford Road Corridor is going out to external consultation and we don't have money to move kerbsKevinWard59 wrote:
Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate. In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area. Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing)

Morrisons wasnt there in 1990 so how could they.. or am I reading that wrong..but there is no way morrisons were in foss islands in 1990 ( 24 years ago)Of course not.

The route was because you've not been able to turn left and go through Walmgate Bar for Decades.Morrison's refusal was within the last 6 months when I prepared the new graphic and put it on the net.

Clarification to save confusing some people - by net I mean links on an Internet web page to an on-line drop-box where all the manuals, circulars and guidance are available to check out. Also there are links to the damning evidence supplied by the Department For Transport in their Freedom of Information Request response proving that City of a York Council gave false information to the Press and the Traffic Penalties Tribunal. They have finally admitted in their response that they never requested authorisation.
[quote][p][bold]KevinWard59[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sammy07[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KevinWard59[/bold] wrote: Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate. In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area. Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing). The then City of York Council refused to even glance at it. Cllr D. Merritt said "Fulford Road Corridor is going out to external consultation and we don't have money to move kerbsKevinWard59 wrote: Navigation Road was the only possible route to Walmgate from Foss Islands Road, all the Hull Road Corridor, plus the Inner Ring Road from Fishergate. In 1990 I devised the Barbican One Way System to remove the four main key triggers of traffic congestion and occasional gridlock in that whole area. Morrison's refused to put up a graphic to inform the public; York Press never printed anything (it was shown to them in 1990 as a hand colour drawing) Morrisons wasnt there in 1990 so how could they.. or am I reading that wrong..but there is no way morrisons were in foss islands in 1990 ( 24 years ago)[/p][/quote]Of course not. The route was because you've not been able to turn left and go through Walmgate Bar for Decades.[/p][/quote]Morrison's refusal was within the last 6 months when I prepared the new graphic and put it on the net. Clarification to save confusing some people - by net I mean links on an Internet web page to an on-line drop-box where all the manuals, circulars and guidance are available to check out. Also there are links to the damning evidence supplied by the Department For Transport in their Freedom of Information Request response proving that City of a York Council gave false information to the Press and the Traffic Penalties Tribunal. They have finally admitted in their response that they never requested authorisation. KevinWard59
  • Score: 5

10:07pm Sat 30 Aug 14

notpedallingpaul says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Check the "Living Streets" website and associated links to see how positive action can be taken.
It wouldn't be written by some car hating radical like yourself would it by any chance?
When ever I have driven down there the speed cushions are enough to prevent any excess speed, the 'drivers' speeding over these speed cushions must be doing untold damage to their cars is all I can say.
The trouble nowadays is we live in a culture where we try to remove all 'risk' from our everyday life, and you hear people iterate time and again 'well in the interests of health & safety.....'
Crossing roads carry a 'risk' as we all know, but you teach children about the risks and how to do it properly, which does not mean lowering the 'risk' factor to its lowest common denominator by removing cars.
To have a completely 'risk' free road would mean banning all traffic, and that means people like you pp/ph riding cycles.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Check the "Living Streets" website and associated links to see how positive action can be taken.[/p][/quote]It wouldn't be written by some car hating radical like yourself would it by any chance? When ever I have driven down there the speed cushions are enough to prevent any excess speed, the 'drivers' speeding over these speed cushions must be doing untold damage to their cars is all I can say. The trouble nowadays is we live in a culture where we try to remove all 'risk' from our everyday life, and you hear people iterate time and again 'well in the interests of health & safety.....' Crossing roads carry a 'risk' as we all know, but you teach children about the risks and how to do it properly, which does not mean lowering the 'risk' factor to its lowest common denominator by removing cars. To have a completely 'risk' free road would mean banning all traffic, and that means people like you pp/ph riding cycles. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -17

8:46am Sun 31 Aug 14

Jonlogical says...

This is the judgement of one frightened old lady, who sits and counts vehicles. This is not a rat run, it's a road. Lets get things in perspective.

York Press once again gets an earth shattering exclusive.
This is the judgement of one frightened old lady, who sits and counts vehicles. This is not a rat run, it's a road. Lets get things in perspective. York Press once again gets an earth shattering exclusive. Jonlogical
  • Score: 20

9:20am Sun 31 Aug 14

Fanny Free House says...

Mrs Pettitt said: "I'm just waiting for something to happen.

So nothing has happened to warrant any change.

Mrs Pettitt said:
And you're afraid to go on the path because bikes are using the pavement too.

So if cyclists were not using the pavement that would remove a major safety issue, only bit that makes sense.
Mrs Pettitt said: "I'm just waiting for something to happen. So nothing has happened to warrant any change. Mrs Pettitt said: And you're afraid to go on the path because bikes are using the pavement too. So if cyclists were not using the pavement that would remove a major safety issue, only bit that makes sense. Fanny Free House
  • Score: -34

9:23am Sun 31 Aug 14

AnotherPointofView says...

What a complete load of hot air. There eight speed humps in that road, which is about four hundred yards long. Cars don't regularly get above 20mph. Those that do would need to replace their suspension system on a regular basis.

As for children being in the road - as others have said, it's the parents who should be educating their young about the dangers of crossing the road.
What a complete load of hot air. There eight speed humps in that road, which is about four hundred yards long. Cars don't regularly get above 20mph. Those that do would need to replace their suspension system on a regular basis. As for children being in the road - as others have said, it's the parents who should be educating their young about the dangers of crossing the road. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -22

10:10am Sun 31 Aug 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Seems to me most drivers use Navigation Road to get round the short set lights at the end of Walmgate (last time I was up there it was about 4 cars per sequence causing huge queues and much pollution) and those at Waitrose. So once again we have a council created problem.

Speed humps in a 30 mph area increase fuel consumption by about 47% and 20 mph by 10% (AA test results) both will therefore increase pollution . The council tell us that pollution kill more people in York in one year (190) than we can expect to be killed in accidents in a decade.

Given the current situation you can take your pick as to which way you prefer to go or the council could just let the cars get out of the end of Navigation Road through a simple cheap change of traffic light timing which could be achieved tomorrow morning in about 5 minutes from the councils congestion creation command centre.
Seems to me most drivers use Navigation Road to get round the short set lights at the end of Walmgate (last time I was up there it was about 4 cars per sequence causing huge queues and much pollution) and those at Waitrose. So once again we have a council created problem. Speed humps in a 30 mph area increase fuel consumption by about 47% and 20 mph by 10% (AA test results) both will therefore increase pollution . The council tell us that pollution kill more people in York in one year (190) than we can expect to be killed in accidents in a decade. Given the current situation you can take your pick as to which way you prefer to go or the council could just let the cars get out of the end of Navigation Road through a simple cheap change of traffic light timing which could be achieved tomorrow morning in about 5 minutes from the councils congestion creation command centre. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -37

3:34pm Sun 31 Aug 14

York2000 says...

Barbara, I hope you don't read the comments thread. The right wingers on here don't care about your concerns and are encouraged by the Press.

The Press - The Newspaper That Hates York.
Barbara, I hope you don't read the comments thread. The right wingers on here don't care about your concerns and are encouraged by the Press. The Press - The Newspaper That Hates York. York2000
  • Score: 45

4:32pm Sun 31 Aug 14

strangebuttrue? says...

My goodness the score adjusting thing is back in full swing. Good to see I am spot on with my comments though as I only expect to be scored down when making comments which many agree with so whatever you are thank you for your encouragement. Now what else can I comment on - lets go to the P&R story.
My goodness the score adjusting thing is back in full swing. Good to see I am spot on with my comments though as I only expect to be scored down when making comments which many agree with so whatever you are thank you for your encouragement. Now what else can I comment on - lets go to the P&R story. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -75

5:02pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

Martin true Viking wrote:
I noticed a 20 mph speed sign on the end of carrick gardens yesterday. The street is a cul de sac no more than 60 metres long what's the point of that.
Should not have been erected. How wasteful are these council people. they go for every extra fee they can; and waste the income!

I would not back them in a one horse race.
[quote][p][bold]Martin true Viking[/bold] wrote: I noticed a 20 mph speed sign on the end of carrick gardens yesterday. The street is a cul de sac no more than 60 metres long what's the point of that.[/p][/quote]Should not have been erected. How wasteful are these council people. they go for every extra fee they can; and waste the income! I would not back them in a one horse race. Cheeky face
  • Score: -45

5:19pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Fanny Free House says...

York2000 wrote:
Barbara, I hope you don't read the comments thread. The right wingers on here don't care about your concerns and are encouraged by the Press.

The Press - The Newspaper That Hates York.
Barbara, I hope you don't read the comments thread........?.

Now if thats not the most stupid comment ever, why bother posting a comment hoping she's not doing what she needs to do to get the message you left.

What a waster.
[quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: Barbara, I hope you don't read the comments thread. The right wingers on here don't care about your concerns and are encouraged by the Press. The Press - The Newspaper That Hates York.[/p][/quote]Barbara, I hope you don't read the comments thread........?. Now if thats not the most stupid comment ever, why bother posting a comment hoping she's not doing what she needs to do to get the message you left. What a waster. Fanny Free House
  • Score: -52

5:28pm Sun 31 Aug 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

What kind of parent allows their child to play ball games between parked cars?
What kind of parent allows their child to play ball games between parked cars? ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -19

9:18pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mike.......durkin says...

get a grip just is bad at melrosegate we have to put up whith it its like a rally there.
get a grip just is bad at melrosegate we have to put up whith it its like a rally there. mike.......durkin
  • Score: 3

10:21pm Sun 31 Aug 14

KevinWard59 says...

Jonlogical wrote:
This is the judgement of one frightened old lady, who sits and counts vehicles. This is not a rat run, it's a road. Lets get things in perspective.

York Press once again gets an earth shattering exclusive.
For the moment it's a 30 mph road but if they put up a 20 limit without doing it correctly then it could be 80 !?
[quote][p][bold]Jonlogical[/bold] wrote: This is the judgement of one frightened old lady, who sits and counts vehicles. This is not a rat run, it's a road. Lets get things in perspective. York Press once again gets an earth shattering exclusive.[/p][/quote]For the moment it's a 30 mph road but if they put up a 20 limit without doing it correctly then it could be 80 !? KevinWard59
  • Score: 2

10:25pm Sun 31 Aug 14

KevinWard59 says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
Seems to me most drivers use Navigation Road to get round the short set lights at the end of Walmgate (last time I was up there it was about 4 cars per sequence causing huge queues and much pollution) and those at Waitrose. So once again we have a council created problem.

Speed humps in a 30 mph area increase fuel consumption by about 47% and 20 mph by 10% (AA test results) both will therefore increase pollution . The council tell us that pollution kill more people in York in one year (190) than we can expect to be killed in accidents in a decade.

Given the current situation you can take your pick as to which way you prefer to go or the council could just let the cars get out of the end of Navigation Road through a simple cheap change of traffic light timing which could be achieved tomorrow morning in about 5 minutes from the councils congestion creation command centre.
Hence Salisbury Terrace having to be referred to DEFRA because the NO2 and other pollutants in the annual report were as always have been FAR IN EXCESS OF REGULATIONS.

Oh and by the way, the press release sent and written up by Mike Laycock had that information removed.
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: Seems to me most drivers use Navigation Road to get round the short set lights at the end of Walmgate (last time I was up there it was about 4 cars per sequence causing huge queues and much pollution) and those at Waitrose. So once again we have a council created problem. Speed humps in a 30 mph area increase fuel consumption by about 47% and 20 mph by 10% (AA test results) both will therefore increase pollution . The council tell us that pollution kill more people in York in one year (190) than we can expect to be killed in accidents in a decade. Given the current situation you can take your pick as to which way you prefer to go or the council could just let the cars get out of the end of Navigation Road through a simple cheap change of traffic light timing which could be achieved tomorrow morning in about 5 minutes from the councils congestion creation command centre.[/p][/quote]Hence Salisbury Terrace having to be referred to DEFRA because the NO2 and other pollutants in the annual report were as always have been FAR IN EXCESS OF REGULATIONS. Oh and by the way, the press release sent and written up by Mike Laycock had that information removed. KevinWard59
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8:20am Mon 1 Sep 14

JHardacre says...

For goodness sake woman - it's a road not a park. Get over it!
For goodness sake woman - it's a road not a park. Get over it! JHardacre
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12:18pm Mon 1 Sep 14

KevinWard59 says...

JHardacre wrote:
For goodness sake woman - it's a road not a park. Get over it!
York has NO speed limit - drivers can only be prosecuted for dangerous driving if they kill someone - otherwise hard to prove.
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: For goodness sake woman - it's a road not a park. Get over it![/p][/quote]York has NO speed limit - drivers can only be prosecuted for dangerous driving if they kill someone - otherwise hard to prove. KevinWard59
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2:38pm Mon 1 Sep 14

scooterboy says...

busy body comes to mind
busy body comes to mind scooterboy
  • Score: 2

11:17pm Fri 5 Sep 14

eeoodares says...

York2000 wrote:
Barbara, I hope you don't read the comments thread. The right wingers on here don't care about your concerns and are encouraged by the Press.

The Press - The Newspaper That Hates York.
The Press appears to reflect and represent the opinions of the people of York. Unlike the Council That Hates York.
[quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: Barbara, I hope you don't read the comments thread. The right wingers on here don't care about your concerns and are encouraged by the Press. The Press - The Newspaper That Hates York.[/p][/quote]The Press appears to reflect and represent the opinions of the people of York. Unlike the Council That Hates York. eeoodares
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