York residents could face new bin charges

York residents could face new bin charges

York residents could face new bin charges

First published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , Political reporter

YORK householders could face higher charges for rubbish collection as the city council struggles to balance its books.

City of York Council currently charges only for extra garden waste collections and gives homes in York a free fortnightly collection, but a report suggests new charges could be used to plug gaps in budgets.

On Wednesday, councillors agreed to set up a task group to look at discretionary waste charging for areas such as garden waste, bulky rubbish and household waste taken to the tip, as well as waste services for schools and charities.

Although no formal proposals have yet been put forward, councillors are to look at options to make the council more money.

>> Read the council report in full

In a fractious meeting of the community safety overview and scrutiny committee, councillors questioned officials on the possibility of cutting down regular waste collections, and spoke out against what they saw as unpopular policies being attributed to their committee.

The topic had earlier come up in a meeting of the committee in March, when they discussed a reviewing the council's commercial waste services and shortfalls in its income.

But after suggestions from a senior officer, the focus of the review moved to discretionary waste charges and now the scrutiny committee could look into waste charges at other councils, to guide possible ideas for York.

Although councils are legally bound to collect normal household rubbish as a public health matter, officials told the councillors that there are no restrictions on how often bins are emptied.

Assistant director of transport, highways and waste Neil Ferris said: "It's a matter of public record that a number of local authorities in Scotland have moved to three-weekly collections. This report is about discretionary waste charging but officers are looking at all options to achieve £2.5 million in savings."

He also told the councillors about other councils which charge householders for all their garden waste collections, and said many do not provide free rubbish collections for charities meaning some organisations travel to York specifically to get rid of their waste at council run tips.

Labour's Cllr Gerard Hodgson questioned those proposals, and said: "I would be very concerned if we were to charge St Leonard's Hospice, which is in my ward. Charities are already struggling enough on a very tight budget."

The proposals also drew criticism from Conservative Cllr Paul Healey, who warned the officers about relying on discretionary charging to make up for the £2.5 million funding shortfall over two years. Domestic waste collections currently make the council £154,000 per year, he said, so are unlikely to make a serious dent in the funding problems.

Independent councillor Mark Warters rubbished the plans, and refused to take part in the task group saying: "I don't want to be used as a shield for controversial discretionary waste charges."

Labour councillor Ken King also refused to take part in the review, saying it was for officers to come up with proposals and councillors to scrutinise them.

Speaking after the meeting, the council's head of waste services Geoff Derham stressed that no proposals have yet been put forward.

He added: "This meeting was simply to agree a framework to review charges. Nothing at all has yet been decided. Once the task group has undertaken its review, this will then be taken back to the scrutiny committee at a later date to consider.”

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6:46pm Thu 31 Jul 14

York2000 says...

''Although no formal proposals have yet been put forward, councillors are to look at options to make the council more money.''

****, I thought we were going to get through a whole 24 hours without a non article about the council.

How depressing for Victoria Prest to have to type this stuff.

Anyway - Off you all go. Type away...
''Although no formal proposals have yet been put forward, councillors are to look at options to make the council more money.'' ****, I thought we were going to get through a whole 24 hours without a non article about the council. How depressing for Victoria Prest to have to type this stuff. Anyway - Off you all go. Type away... York2000
  • Score: -33

7:24pm Thu 31 Jul 14

yorkie0802 says...

If the council is short of money why not charge student lets council tax - the landlords get plenty of rent to cover it.
If the council is short of money why not charge student lets council tax - the landlords get plenty of rent to cover it. yorkie0802
  • Score: 130

7:48pm Thu 31 Jul 14

chelk says...

yorkie0802 wrote:
If the council is short of money why not charge student lets council tax - the landlords get plenty of rent to cover it.
I agree they have their rubbish collected and their tenants receive the same services as the residents so Council Tax should be paid
[quote][p][bold]yorkie0802[/bold] wrote: If the council is short of money why not charge student lets council tax - the landlords get plenty of rent to cover it.[/p][/quote]I agree they have their rubbish collected and their tenants receive the same services as the residents so Council Tax should be paid chelk
  • Score: 118

7:49pm Thu 31 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

.........great that two councillors don't want to be part of the task group....if they got stuck in there they might nip the ridiculous plan in the bud. I thought thats what they were there for, now we are at the mercy of the officers....and going on past performance the omens are not good.
.........great that two councillors don't want to be part of the task group....if they got stuck in there they might nip the ridiculous plan in the bud. I thought thats what they were there for, now we are at the mercy of the officers....and going on past performance the omens are not good. nearlyman
  • Score: 38

7:49pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Thecynic says...

What is happening to this Country? The Nations finances must be a lot worse than politicians are letting on!
20 - 30 years ago this type of news would have been unimaginable! Almost daily we hear of more and more services which we have all enjoyed for years been slashed or axed due to 'No Money' I thought we were the 6th largest/richest economy in the World? Doesn't seem like that to me. If we are? Then God help the other 200+ Countries who are poorer than us.
What is happening to this Country? The Nations finances must be a lot worse than politicians are letting on! 20 - 30 years ago this type of news would have been unimaginable! Almost daily we hear of more and more services which we have all enjoyed for years been slashed or axed due to 'No Money' I thought we were the 6th largest/richest economy in the World? Doesn't seem like that to me. If we are? Then God help the other 200+ Countries who are poorer than us. Thecynic
  • Score: 80

7:51pm Thu 31 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

chelk wrote:
yorkie0802 wrote:
If the council is short of money why not charge student lets council tax - the landlords get plenty of rent to cover it.
I agree they have their rubbish collected and their tenants receive the same services as the residents so Council Tax should be paid
they recieve more service.....several adults in one house.... go and look at the amount of waste they produce.
[quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkie0802[/bold] wrote: If the council is short of money why not charge student lets council tax - the landlords get plenty of rent to cover it.[/p][/quote]I agree they have their rubbish collected and their tenants receive the same services as the residents so Council Tax should be paid[/p][/quote]they recieve more service.....several adults in one house.... go and look at the amount of waste they produce. nearlyman
  • Score: 81

7:51pm Thu 31 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

chelk wrote:
yorkie0802 wrote:
If the council is short of money why not charge student lets council tax - the landlords get plenty of rent to cover it.
I agree they have their rubbish collected and their tenants receive the same services as the residents so Council Tax should be paid
they recieve more service.....several adults in one house.... go and look at the amount of waste they produce.
[quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkie0802[/bold] wrote: If the council is short of money why not charge student lets council tax - the landlords get plenty of rent to cover it.[/p][/quote]I agree they have their rubbish collected and their tenants receive the same services as the residents so Council Tax should be paid[/p][/quote]they recieve more service.....several adults in one house.... go and look at the amount of waste they produce. nearlyman
  • Score: 12

8:02pm Thu 31 Jul 14

CaroleBaines says...

Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.
Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 83

8:28pm Thu 31 Jul 14

AnotherPointofView says...

What's this nonsense about FREE collections. We already pay through the nose for our collections, so charging us TWICE is a nonsense.

As for charging extra for rubbish to be disposed of at the recycling centre, I'll make the comment I've made before:

Why are our laybys full of rubbish? It's because the council make it difficult and expensive to dispose of waste already. If you make it more expensive then our countryside, which is already blighted by fly-tipping will be even worse. Remember - COYC - it is your responsibility to pick up this fly-tipped waste. This is a far more costly method of getting rid of waste.

A far more sensible way of saving money would be to stop these vanity projects this council are hell bent on wasting money on.
What's this nonsense about FREE collections. We already pay through the nose for our collections, so charging us TWICE is a nonsense. As for charging extra for rubbish to be disposed of at the recycling centre, I'll make the comment I've made before: Why are our laybys full of rubbish? It's because the council make it difficult and expensive to dispose of waste already. If you make it more expensive then our countryside, which is already blighted by fly-tipping will be even worse. Remember - COYC - it is your responsibility to pick up this fly-tipped waste. This is a far more costly method of getting rid of waste. A far more sensible way of saving money would be to stop these vanity projects this council are hell bent on wasting money on. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 141

8:29pm Thu 31 Jul 14

bolero says...

This City is broke in more ways than one. It's not as if it is a poor city, I think the vast majority of its residents are quite capable of paying their way but we have a profligate band of nitwits who are totally incapable of running a city council. Chickens are coming home to roost now. Money wasted on schemes like Kings Square, Newgate Market, Lendal Bridge and so I could go on. Now they can't afford to collect our rubbish. What an absolute disgrace. And a further demonstration of spineless councillors who will not face up to their responsibi;ities. Shame on you; you are not worthy of the office which you hold. What a shame that we have to wait until next May to finally rid ourselves of this pile of rubbish. Unfortunately they will walk away from a mountain of debt to be paid for the very people who foolishly voted them in three years ago. It doesn't take long for a bad apple to turn the whole barrel rotten. No doubt this posting will be removed or the voting figures fiddled with because this is all they are good at.
This City is broke in more ways than one. It's not as if it is a poor city, I think the vast majority of its residents are quite capable of paying their way but we have a profligate band of nitwits who are totally incapable of running a city council. Chickens are coming home to roost now. Money wasted on schemes like Kings Square, Newgate Market, Lendal Bridge and so I could go on. Now they can't afford to collect our rubbish. What an absolute disgrace. And a further demonstration of spineless councillors who will not face up to their responsibi;ities. Shame on you; you are not worthy of the office which you hold. What a shame that we have to wait until next May to finally rid ourselves of this pile of rubbish. Unfortunately they will walk away from a mountain of debt to be paid for the very people who foolishly voted them in three years ago. It doesn't take long for a bad apple to turn the whole barrel rotten. No doubt this posting will be removed or the voting figures fiddled with because this is all they are good at. bolero
  • Score: 175

8:43pm Thu 31 Jul 14

piaggio1 says...

WELL..stop spending OUR tax money on stupid personel ego.s
Semelyn ows us five hundred thousand quid.
Merret n jimmy owe us nigh on a million
And as for england.!!!! Christ where do we start.. are you lot related by any chance to edi nboro city clowncil.?????.look em up.
WELL..stop spending OUR tax money on stupid personel ego.s Semelyn ows us five hundred thousand quid. Merret n jimmy owe us nigh on a million And as for england.!!!! Christ where do we start.. are you lot related by any chance to edi nboro city clowncil.?????.look em up. piaggio1
  • Score: 74

8:59pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Yorkie41 says...

Councils have a duty to collect household waste free of charge. Green or garden waste could be sent to centralised composting outlets, the composting outlets can then sell back the compost they produce from the garden waste delivered to them. So there should be no need for any charge,making every one happy.
Councils have a duty to collect household waste free of charge. Green or garden waste could be sent to centralised composting outlets, the composting outlets can then sell back the compost they produce from the garden waste delivered to them. So there should be no need for any charge,making every one happy. Yorkie41
  • Score: 66

9:24pm Thu 31 Jul 14

yorkandproud says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.
Landlords are also providing housing for students that the universities cannot. Better still, make the scroungers who are making no effort to get a job, go and collect some of the rubbish that we are talking about, so that they are earning their benefits.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.[/p][/quote]Landlords are also providing housing for students that the universities cannot. Better still, make the scroungers who are making no effort to get a job, go and collect some of the rubbish that we are talking about, so that they are earning their benefits. yorkandproud
  • Score: 21

9:41pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

I know a place for garden waste, that turns to manure, although I think the 2 hotels might complain, and yes these VANITY things we citizens will be lumbered with long after the MUPPET'S have left office..
also if members of the other parties are "Washing Hands" best thy pack bags as well .
I know a place for garden waste, that turns to manure, although I think the 2 hotels might complain, and yes these VANITY things we citizens will be lumbered with long after the MUPPET'S have left office.. also if members of the other parties are "Washing Hands" best thy pack bags as well . Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 28

9:41pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Bad magic says...

OK. Sell the alleged "arts barge". Stop giving money to cyclists. Shelve the entire "20s plenty" campaign. Don't employ people registered as LLCs for profligate amounts of money. Take our rubbish away instead.
OK. Sell the alleged "arts barge". Stop giving money to cyclists. Shelve the entire "20s plenty" campaign. Don't employ people registered as LLCs for profligate amounts of money. Take our rubbish away instead. Bad magic
  • Score: 81

10:21pm Thu 31 Jul 14

piaggio1 says...

No.the uni can provide accomadation.but an a big but...its all run by a dutch company..something to do NOT paying tax i england ...an it dint take long to find that out..
It.s more or less a tax dodge .........allegedly?? , sort of .nudge nudge ..brown envelopes..these lot have ...no.no.i ain.t sayin owt else..
No.the uni can provide accomadation.but an a big but...its all run by a dutch company..something to do NOT paying tax i england ...an it dint take long to find that out.. It.s more or less a tax dodge .........allegedly?? , sort of .nudge nudge ..brown envelopes..these lot have ...no.no.i ain.t sayin owt else.. piaggio1
  • Score: 13

10:29pm Thu 31 Jul 14

piaggio1 says...

Just dig a little deeper.......
It.s all there....they just think WE wont notice...
Corrupt the whole **** lot of em......and it go.s all the way ....horrible people...no shame...
Just dig a little deeper....... It.s all there....they just think WE wont notice... Corrupt the whole **** lot of em......and it go.s all the way ....horrible people...no shame... piaggio1
  • Score: 37

10:48pm Thu 31 Jul 14

tdcoop says...

What about the health aspect of emptying the bins every 3 weeks. Also surely this will only cause more people to fly tip.
What about the health aspect of emptying the bins every 3 weeks. Also surely this will only cause more people to fly tip. tdcoop
  • Score: 43

10:55pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Give me a James Alexander sized bin and I will fill it.
Give me a James Alexander sized bin and I will fill it. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 51

11:00pm Thu 31 Jul 14

AnotherPointofView says...

tdcoop wrote:
What about the health aspect of emptying the bins every 3 weeks. Also surely this will only cause more people to fly tip.
If during the summer holidays you don't get to put your bin out whilst away, then food waste could have been rotting for up to six weeks before it gets collected.

I can only imagine how bad the smell would be and how much the rats would be crawling all over the bin by then!

No thanks!

I notice the usual crop of councillors aren't commenting on this article. I'm sure they are reading the comments though!
[quote][p][bold]tdcoop[/bold] wrote: What about the health aspect of emptying the bins every 3 weeks. Also surely this will only cause more people to fly tip.[/p][/quote]If during the summer holidays you don't get to put your bin out whilst away, then food waste could have been rotting for up to six weeks before it gets collected. I can only imagine how bad the smell would be and how much the rats would be crawling all over the bin by then! No thanks! I notice the usual crop of councillors aren't commenting on this article. I'm sure they are reading the comments though! AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 47

11:13pm Thu 31 Jul 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

What a cheek, they waste millions and then want to charge for the one tangible service they are obliged to provide.
What were all the opposition Councillors doing to allow finances getting to this state? One suspects all their efforts are with challenging the local plan rather than the bread and butter services for the people.
What a cheek, they waste millions and then want to charge for the one tangible service they are obliged to provide. What were all the opposition Councillors doing to allow finances getting to this state? One suspects all their efforts are with challenging the local plan rather than the bread and butter services for the people. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 49

11:40pm Thu 31 Jul 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

Bad magic wrote:
OK. Sell the alleged "arts barge". Stop giving money to cyclists. Shelve the entire "20s plenty" campaign. Don't employ people registered as LLCs for profligate amounts of money. Take our rubbish away instead.
brilliant
[quote][p][bold]Bad magic[/bold] wrote: OK. Sell the alleged "arts barge". Stop giving money to cyclists. Shelve the entire "20s plenty" campaign. Don't employ people registered as LLCs for profligate amounts of money. Take our rubbish away instead.[/p][/quote]brilliant thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: 42

11:42pm Thu 31 Jul 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.
never understood why they do not
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.[/p][/quote]never understood why they do not thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: 46

11:47pm Thu 31 Jul 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

the most relevant thing to mention is contained in the very first paragraph of the article - the city council struggles to balance it's books. I wonder why? Oh Silly me - so who wants to start the list off
the most relevant thing to mention is contained in the very first paragraph of the article - the city council struggles to balance it's books. I wonder why? Oh Silly me - so who wants to start the list off thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: 45

1:37am Fri 1 Aug 14

eeoodares says...

As an ex Landlord, please charge the students. There is no reason not to, they produce more rubbish and damage than most. I have never understood why not... Charge them now.
As an ex Landlord, please charge the students. There is no reason not to, they produce more rubbish and damage than most. I have never understood why not... Charge them now. eeoodares
  • Score: 43

2:25am Fri 1 Aug 14

Magicman! says...

stop wasting money on stupid ideas, tick-boxing exercises, and fancy stonework that isn't required.


... oh yeah, silly me, if they'd done that then they wouldn't have built anything at all since they got into power; but maybe that'd have been for the better.
stop wasting money on stupid ideas, tick-boxing exercises, and fancy stonework that isn't required. ... oh yeah, silly me, if they'd done that then they wouldn't have built anything at all since they got into power; but maybe that'd have been for the better. Magicman!
  • Score: 33

6:06am Fri 1 Aug 14

mjs says...

If this does happen how long will it be before every country side laybys contains a busted mattress , fridge and broken televison set ,
If this does happen how long will it be before every country side laybys contains a busted mattress , fridge and broken televison set , mjs
  • Score: 33

6:28am Fri 1 Aug 14

yorkandproud says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
I know a place for garden waste, that turns to manure, although I think the 2 hotels might complain, and yes these VANITY things we citizens will be lumbered with long after the MUPPET'S have left office..
also if members of the other parties are "Washing Hands" best thy pack bags as well .
Another cryptic message from Dave Ruddock.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: I know a place for garden waste, that turns to manure, although I think the 2 hotels might complain, and yes these VANITY things we citizens will be lumbered with long after the MUPPET'S have left office.. also if members of the other parties are "Washing Hands" best thy pack bags as well .[/p][/quote]Another cryptic message from Dave Ruddock. yorkandproud
  • Score: 10

7:33am Fri 1 Aug 14

accountess says...

My husband and I are in our sixties and the Council tax is our biggest monthly bill. (No reduction as we have worked all our lives and saved a bit.) We wash glass, separate paper from the other rubbish. We are already doing their job for them apart from tipping it into the wagons.
York Council you have wasted millions on your silly ideas and think you have found a way to take more money off us. I agree with all the above letters.
My husband and I are in our sixties and the Council tax is our biggest monthly bill. (No reduction as we have worked all our lives and saved a bit.) We wash glass, separate paper from the other rubbish. We are already doing their job for them apart from tipping it into the wagons. York Council you have wasted millions on your silly ideas and think you have found a way to take more money off us. I agree with all the above letters. accountess
  • Score: 78

7:35am Fri 1 Aug 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

thinkingoutsidethebo
x
wrote:
the most relevant thing to mention is contained in the very first paragraph of the article - the city council struggles to balance it's books. I wonder why? Oh Silly me - so who wants to start the list off
............and to follow on from my original comment - this really is just a way to increase what is paid in council tax. Dress it up how you will there has been so many attempts to raise extra funds to cover up the losses on too many madcao schemes. Strikes me that York citizens are coughing up enough already. Have been to Hazel Court recently. RECYCLING!? What a joke - there is so much there which could be re-used and directed to a better usage. The waste from student houses is incredible.
[quote][p][bold]thinkingoutsidethebo x[/bold] wrote: the most relevant thing to mention is contained in the very first paragraph of the article - the city council struggles to balance it's books. I wonder why? Oh Silly me - so who wants to start the list off[/p][/quote]............and to follow on from my original comment - this really is just a way to increase what is paid in council tax. Dress it up how you will there has been so many attempts to raise extra funds to cover up the losses on too many madcao schemes. Strikes me that York citizens are coughing up enough already. Have been to Hazel Court recently. RECYCLING!? What a joke - there is so much there which could be re-used and directed to a better usage. The waste from student houses is incredible. thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: 21

7:54am Fri 1 Aug 14

nowthen says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Give me a James Alexander sized bin and I will fill it.
A bin the size of James's ego would do for the whole of York.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: Give me a James Alexander sized bin and I will fill it.[/p][/quote]A bin the size of James's ego would do for the whole of York. nowthen
  • Score: 36

8:16am Fri 1 Aug 14

Alf Garnett says...

Oh just put up Council Tax. What would a three percent rise really mean ? Three percent represents about £45 a year, less than a pound a week. However, Mr Pickles dictates that anything over two percent must go to a local referendum. What madness is this ? We've been conned into thinking that we can have Scandinavian public services on US tax rates and that nothing needs to be paid for. We're also fooled by percentages without stopping to think about what they really mean. I want to live in a civilised country without emigrating and I'm prepared to pay for it. As someone above said, we're supposed to be the sixth richest economy. Perhaps we need to claw back some of that wealth from the increasingly fewer people who control most of it so that they can also make their equitable contribution.
Oh just put up Council Tax. What would a three percent rise really mean ? Three percent represents about £45 a year, less than a pound a week. However, Mr Pickles dictates that anything over two percent must go to a local referendum. What madness is this ? We've been conned into thinking that we can have Scandinavian public services on US tax rates and that nothing needs to be paid for. We're also fooled by percentages without stopping to think about what they really mean. I want to live in a civilised country without emigrating and I'm prepared to pay for it. As someone above said, we're supposed to be the sixth richest economy. Perhaps we need to claw back some of that wealth from the increasingly fewer people who control most of it so that they can also make their equitable contribution. Alf Garnett
  • Score: -29

8:23am Fri 1 Aug 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
Oh just put up Council Tax. What would a three percent rise really mean ? Three percent represents about £45 a year, less than a pound a week. However, Mr Pickles dictates that anything over two percent must go to a local referendum. What madness is this ? We've been conned into thinking that we can have Scandinavian public services on US tax rates and that nothing needs to be paid for. We're also fooled by percentages without stopping to think about what they really mean. I want to live in a civilised country without emigrating and I'm prepared to pay for it. As someone above said, we're supposed to be the sixth richest economy. Perhaps we need to claw back some of that wealth from the increasingly fewer people who control most of it so that they can also make their equitable contribution.
That doesn't make sense. You want the rich (few) to pay more, yet you want council tax to go up. Council tax is paid by the majority of people. Which are you advocating?

Rather than pay more council tax I would rather this council didn't waste huge sums of money on daft projects and then come bleating on about saving money on waste collections.
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Oh just put up Council Tax. What would a three percent rise really mean ? Three percent represents about £45 a year, less than a pound a week. However, Mr Pickles dictates that anything over two percent must go to a local referendum. What madness is this ? We've been conned into thinking that we can have Scandinavian public services on US tax rates and that nothing needs to be paid for. We're also fooled by percentages without stopping to think about what they really mean. I want to live in a civilised country without emigrating and I'm prepared to pay for it. As someone above said, we're supposed to be the sixth richest economy. Perhaps we need to claw back some of that wealth from the increasingly fewer people who control most of it so that they can also make their equitable contribution.[/p][/quote]That doesn't make sense. You want the rich (few) to pay more, yet you want council tax to go up. Council tax is paid by the majority of people. Which are you advocating? Rather than pay more council tax I would rather this council didn't waste huge sums of money on daft projects and then come bleating on about saving money on waste collections. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 39

8:43am Fri 1 Aug 14

York Castle says...

LABOUR LEADER OUSTED IN CALDERDALE. Interesting reading.

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LABOUR LEADER OUSTED IN CALDERDALE. Interesting reading. http://www.halifaxco urier.co.uk/news/cal derdale/calderdale-c ouncil-leader-ousted -after-vote-of-no-co nfidence-passed-in-p arking-row-1-6759148 York Castle
  • Score: 26

8:55am Fri 1 Aug 14

Tom6187 says...

Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.
Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune. Tom6187
  • Score: 28

8:56am Fri 1 Aug 14

julia brica says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
Give me a James Alexander sized bin and I will fill it.
Well said Pinza...........that one made me laugh out loud.
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: Give me a James Alexander sized bin and I will fill it.[/p][/quote]Well said Pinza...........that one made me laugh out loud. julia brica
  • Score: 19

8:57am Fri 1 Aug 14

julia brica says...

thinkingoutsidethebo
x
wrote:
Bad magic wrote:
OK. Sell the alleged "arts barge". Stop giving money to cyclists. Shelve the entire "20s plenty" campaign. Don't employ people registered as LLCs for profligate amounts of money. Take our rubbish away instead.
brilliant
I agree...............
..brilliant
[quote][p][bold]thinkingoutsidethebo x[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bad magic[/bold] wrote: OK. Sell the alleged "arts barge". Stop giving money to cyclists. Shelve the entire "20s plenty" campaign. Don't employ people registered as LLCs for profligate amounts of money. Take our rubbish away instead.[/p][/quote]brilliant[/p][/quote]I agree............... ..brilliant julia brica
  • Score: 28

9:03am Fri 1 Aug 14

Yorkie41 says...

Tom6187 wrote:
Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.
I think you will find that the staff work flexy hours so as to get away early, and so fit in with their life style.
[quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the staff work flexy hours so as to get away early, and so fit in with their life style. Yorkie41
  • Score: -6

9:12am Fri 1 Aug 14

AnotherPointofView says...

York Castle wrote:
LABOUR LEADER OUSTED IN CALDERDALE. Interesting reading.

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Interesting. There was a vote recently at the council meeting but was voted against because Labour have a majority. Regretably non of the Labour councillors have the guts to vote against Alexander - even though some of them have been de-selected by him.

There was a real opportunity to hold him and Merret to account. Even though Merret had said he would resign if proved wrong over Lendal Bridge. Typical politician - he doesn't have any self respect to stand by his word.
[quote][p][bold]York Castle[/bold] wrote: LABOUR LEADER OUSTED IN CALDERDALE. Interesting reading. http://www.halifaxco urier.co.uk/news/cal derdale/calderdale-c ouncil-leader-ousted -after-vote-of-no-co nfidence-passed-in-p arking-row-1-6759148[/p][/quote]Interesting. There was a vote recently at the council meeting but was voted against because Labour have a majority. Regretably non of the Labour councillors have the guts to vote against Alexander - even though some of them have been de-selected by him. There was a real opportunity to hold him and Merret to account. Even though Merret had said he would resign if proved wrong over Lendal Bridge. Typical politician - he doesn't have any self respect to stand by his word. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 42

9:30am Fri 1 Aug 14

pedalling paul says...

If some of you followed the link in the News item, to the Officers Report, it makes very interesting reading. A wide variation in charges and collection frequencies, across the UK.

Perhaps it's time for some central guidance to all Local Authorities, whether via legislation or guidance. Guess this boils down to whether local decisions should be entirely made at local level.

Unfortunately at the moment, the best that Jabba the Hut (sorry-Eric Pickles) came come up with, was that weekly collections should be reinstated. No extra cash promised to fund that, and a major disincentive to maximise recycling.
If some of you followed the link in the News item, to the Officers Report, it makes very interesting reading. A wide variation in charges and collection frequencies, across the UK. Perhaps it's time for some central guidance to all Local Authorities, whether via legislation or guidance. Guess this boils down to whether local decisions should be entirely made at local level. Unfortunately at the moment, the best that Jabba the Hut (sorry-Eric Pickles) came come up with, was that weekly collections should be reinstated. No extra cash promised to fund that, and a major disincentive to maximise recycling. pedalling paul
  • Score: -43

10:01am Fri 1 Aug 14

Wiggles says...

Tom6187 wrote:
Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.
Oh let's roll this old chestnut out again shall we - I'm a council worker and start before the majority of you keyboard bunnies are even up - feel free to join me when I start working at 5am and then tell me I'm finishing early if I'm done by early afternoon - those of you that moan might like to be out in all weathers collecting other peoples crap other than spouting it on here!
[quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.[/p][/quote]Oh let's roll this old chestnut out again shall we - I'm a council worker and start before the majority of you keyboard bunnies are even up - feel free to join me when I start working at 5am and then tell me I'm finishing early if I'm done by early afternoon - those of you that moan might like to be out in all weathers collecting other peoples crap other than spouting it on here! Wiggles
  • Score: 20

10:02am Fri 1 Aug 14

meme says...

IF WE HAD NOT WASTTED MILLIONS ON THE NEW HQ/LENDAL BRIDGE CLOSURE/ETC WE WOULD NOT BE IN SUCH A BAD MESS FINACIALLY.THIS IS OUR COUNCILS DOING............ NOT MAINSTREAM POLICIES
However it does seem that a small charge for going to the tip could be levied say £1.00 for each load..that seems fair
IF WE HAD NOT WASTTED MILLIONS ON THE NEW HQ/LENDAL BRIDGE CLOSURE/ETC WE WOULD NOT BE IN SUCH A BAD MESS FINACIALLY.THIS IS OUR COUNCILS DOING............ NOT MAINSTREAM POLICIES However it does seem that a small charge for going to the tip could be levied say £1.00 for each load..that seems fair meme
  • Score: -15

10:04am Fri 1 Aug 14

the original Homer says...

Council Tax rises are capped and the Council have a duty to collect household waste (which includes grass cuttings and recyclable waste).

If there is a scheme to charge I will opt out and rely on the above, even if I have to buy a compactor and stuff everything into one bin..

If the Council can't afford to meet its obligations it needs to stop spending on the things that aren't obligations. Concentrate on what is important and don't spend money you haven't got.

Labour currently has a majority and can defeat moves to oust them, but that will lead to them all being voted out next year. When it comes to local election time we will remember the ones who caused the problems, but we will also remember anyone who delayed us getting them out..Any labour councillor with a conscience should be considering their 2 options.

1) Stick with labour, toe the party line, and get voted out in 2015
2) Ditch labour, stand up for your principles, vote against your "leaders" now and stand as an independent next time.
Council Tax rises are capped and the Council have a duty to collect household waste (which includes grass cuttings and recyclable waste). If there is a scheme to charge I will opt out and rely on the above, even if I have to buy a compactor and stuff everything into one bin.. If the Council can't afford to meet its obligations it needs to stop spending on the things that aren't obligations. Concentrate on what is important and don't spend money you haven't got. Labour currently has a majority and can defeat moves to oust them, but that will lead to them all being voted out next year. When it comes to local election time we will remember the ones who caused the problems, but we will also remember anyone who delayed us getting them out..Any labour councillor with a conscience should be considering their 2 options. 1) Stick with labour, toe the party line, and get voted out in 2015 2) Ditch labour, stand up for your principles, vote against your "leaders" now and stand as an independent next time. the original Homer
  • Score: 44

10:06am Fri 1 Aug 14

goatman says...

Are we really the sixth biggest economy - or do we just act as though we were? It's time we got out of world politics for a while and sorted our own mess out. Instead of painting the windows let's sort the foundations out properly. Then we might just start to generate some REAL wealth and be able to help out the less fortunate with the surplus.

I'm not surprised York is in this situation with a Labour administration though. This party always acts like a child with it's first credit card. But now the bill has just come in. And no, I'm not a Tory-lover either.
Are we really the sixth biggest economy - or do we just act as though we were? It's time we got out of world politics for a while and sorted our own mess out. Instead of painting the windows let's sort the foundations out properly. Then we might just start to generate some REAL wealth and be able to help out the less fortunate with the surplus. I'm not surprised York is in this situation with a Labour administration though. This party always acts like a child with it's first credit card. But now the bill has just come in. And no, I'm not a Tory-lover either. goatman
  • Score: 24

10:12am Fri 1 Aug 14

julia brica says...

meme wrote:
IF WE HAD NOT WASTTED MILLIONS ON THE NEW HQ/LENDAL BRIDGE CLOSURE/ETC WE WOULD NOT BE IN SUCH A BAD MESS FINACIALLY.THIS IS OUR COUNCILS DOING............ NOT MAINSTREAM POLICIES
However it does seem that a small charge for going to the tip could be levied say £1.00 for each load..that seems fair
I think this a great idea, the only fly in the ointment is that our amazingly ridiculous council will only spend it on ever more ridiculous unwanted schemes.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: IF WE HAD NOT WASTTED MILLIONS ON THE NEW HQ/LENDAL BRIDGE CLOSURE/ETC WE WOULD NOT BE IN SUCH A BAD MESS FINACIALLY.THIS IS OUR COUNCILS DOING............ NOT MAINSTREAM POLICIES However it does seem that a small charge for going to the tip could be levied say £1.00 for each load..that seems fair[/p][/quote]I think this a great idea, the only fly in the ointment is that our amazingly ridiculous council will only spend it on ever more ridiculous unwanted schemes. julia brica
  • Score: 18

10:24am Fri 1 Aug 14

CaroleBaines says...

Really miss the tip in Beckfield Lane. And its closure certainly made fly tipping rife this side of the city.
Other than that, cannot say Council decisions have made much impact on my life, ever. All regimes have made pretty dire errors, wasted money and been self important. This one is no better or worse. But in terms of making a difference? Nah - can hardly point to anything.
And I have lived here a loooong time!
Really miss the tip in Beckfield Lane. And its closure certainly made fly tipping rife this side of the city. Other than that, cannot say Council decisions have made much impact on my life, ever. All regimes have made pretty dire errors, wasted money and been self important. This one is no better or worse. But in terms of making a difference? Nah - can hardly point to anything. And I have lived here a loooong time! CaroleBaines
  • Score: 10

10:24am Fri 1 Aug 14

wildthing666 says...

Not surprising since the have to pay back motorists for the Lendal bridge scam of last year.
Not surprising since the have to pay back motorists for the Lendal bridge scam of last year. wildthing666
  • Score: 23

10:42am Fri 1 Aug 14

Noods333 says...

they need to make savings but i can think of one area they are losing money over.. the free parking mornings they do but theres others.. all the money wasted on silly schemes like kings square..the advisors or what ever they are who get paid 700 pounds a day. i could go on and on
they need to make savings but i can think of one area they are losing money over.. the free parking mornings they do but theres others.. all the money wasted on silly schemes like kings square..the advisors or what ever they are who get paid 700 pounds a day. i could go on and on Noods333
  • Score: 19

11:10am Fri 1 Aug 14

Jack Ham says...

Word from the inside is that Labour in York is about to implode.

With disaffected councillors, the prospect of losing power (and those lucrative 'allowances') even the hard core are beginning to rebel.

It's time those remaining Labour councillors who stand for their residents and their city out their heads above the parapet and be prepared to be counted.
Word from the inside is that Labour in York is about to implode. With disaffected councillors, the prospect of losing power (and those lucrative 'allowances') even the hard core are beginning to rebel. It's time those remaining Labour councillors who stand for their residents and their city out their heads above the parapet and be prepared to be counted. Jack Ham
  • Score: 43

11:26am Fri 1 Aug 14

Dave Ruddock says...

I was trying to say dump the garden rubbish on Alexanders desk. Also that no one stands up against Alexander and the in power regime, It sounds like a Dictatorship in power.
With regards waste bins and collections, can someone explain in simple terms
a. City Population expanding, but services are not.
b. Failure of all parties to represent the citizens of York
I was trying to say dump the garden rubbish on Alexanders desk. Also that no one stands up against Alexander and the in power regime, It sounds like a Dictatorship in power. With regards waste bins and collections, can someone explain in simple terms a. City Population expanding, but services are not. b. Failure of all parties to represent the citizens of York Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 25

11:30am Fri 1 Aug 14

tobefair says...

I remember several years ago the Council sent me a "contract" that said they would empty my rubbish and garden waste bins if I recycled my paper, glass, tins and plastic bottles. This I have done religiously. This council seems intent on tearing up that contract. If they do I will not feel obliged to keep to my side of the bargain.
If we all stopped recycling how much would the land fill tax increase?
I remember several years ago the Council sent me a "contract" that said they would empty my rubbish and garden waste bins if I recycled my paper, glass, tins and plastic bottles. This I have done religiously. This council seems intent on tearing up that contract. If they do I will not feel obliged to keep to my side of the bargain. If we all stopped recycling how much would the land fill tax increase? tobefair
  • Score: 28

11:30am Fri 1 Aug 14

TheTruthHurts says...

I wouldnt worry too much about it. I put out two green bins, havent put a sticker on either of them and they still get emptied :-)
I wouldnt worry too much about it. I put out two green bins, havent put a sticker on either of them and they still get emptied :-) TheTruthHurts
  • Score: 5

11:36am Fri 1 Aug 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

Noods333 wrote:
they need to make savings but i can think of one area they are losing money over.. the free parking mornings they do but theres others.. all the money wasted on silly schemes like kings square..the advisors or what ever they are who get paid 700 pounds a day. i could go on and on
silly schemes - you are so right. Kings Square looked lovely before it's makeover - it now looks like something anyone could have in their city or town. About time decision makers realised and retained the potential of old York
[quote][p][bold]Noods333[/bold] wrote: they need to make savings but i can think of one area they are losing money over.. the free parking mornings they do but theres others.. all the money wasted on silly schemes like kings square..the advisors or what ever they are who get paid 700 pounds a day. i could go on and on[/p][/quote]silly schemes - you are so right. Kings Square looked lovely before it's makeover - it now looks like something anyone could have in their city or town. About time decision makers realised and retained the potential of old York thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: 32

11:49am Fri 1 Aug 14

MissConstrood says...

york residents already suffer northern wages but nearer southern housing costs - no balance as usual
york residents already suffer northern wages but nearer southern housing costs - no balance as usual MissConstrood
  • Score: 18

11:53am Fri 1 Aug 14

I'msohappy.com says...

Yorkie41 wrote:
Tom6187 wrote:
Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.
I think you will find that the staff work flexy hours so as to get away early, and so fit in with their life style.
Well wouldn't we all like a job that fits in with our life style!
Most council workers have finished at or just after lunch time for as long as I can remember, if every company worked to those rules the world would be in a worse state than it is now, part time work = part time wages - I'm betting they would soon be staying the whole shift!!!
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the staff work flexy hours so as to get away early, and so fit in with their life style.[/p][/quote]Well wouldn't we all like a job that fits in with our life style! Most council workers have finished at or just after lunch time for as long as I can remember, if every company worked to those rules the world would be in a worse state than it is now, part time work = part time wages - I'm betting they would soon be staying the whole shift!!! I'msohappy.com
  • Score: -8

11:59am Fri 1 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

thinkingoutsidethebo
x
wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.
never understood why they do not
Government policy, that's why.

in Scarborough from next Tuesday you have to pay to deposit old ceramics /handbasins etc at Community Recycling Resource Centres. Whatever next? All of these in NYCC area close on Weds; leading to some rubbish being left at the entrance gates.
[quote][p][bold]thinkingoutsidethebo x[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.[/p][/quote]never understood why they do not[/p][/quote]Government policy, that's why. in Scarborough from next Tuesday you have to pay to deposit old ceramics /handbasins etc at Community Recycling Resource Centres. Whatever next? All of these in NYCC area close on Weds; leading to some rubbish being left at the entrance gates. Cheeky face
  • Score: 7

12:01pm Fri 1 Aug 14

goatman says...

"Most council workers have finished at or just after lunch time for as long as I can remember"

Please quantify "Most".

I'm not surprised you're so happy - Ignorance is Bliss!
"Most council workers have finished at or just after lunch time for as long as I can remember" Please quantify "Most". I'm not surprised you're so happy - Ignorance is Bliss! goatman
  • Score: 9

12:06pm Fri 1 Aug 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

Cheeky face wrote:
thinkingoutsidethebo

x
wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.
never understood why they do not
Government policy, that's why.

in Scarborough from next Tuesday you have to pay to deposit old ceramics /handbasins etc at Community Recycling Resource Centres. Whatever next? All of these in NYCC area close on Weds; leading to some rubbish being left at the entrance gates.
it may be government policy - but it still does not make sense. I note today that Messrs Cameron & Osbourne are each paying less the £50 quid a week to live in their protected and staffed Downing Street premises - and that doesn't make sense either!!
[quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinkingoutsidethebo x[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.[/p][/quote]never understood why they do not[/p][/quote]Government policy, that's why. in Scarborough from next Tuesday you have to pay to deposit old ceramics /handbasins etc at Community Recycling Resource Centres. Whatever next? All of these in NYCC area close on Weds; leading to some rubbish being left at the entrance gates.[/p][/quote]it may be government policy - but it still does not make sense. I note today that Messrs Cameron & Osbourne are each paying less the £50 quid a week to live in their protected and staffed Downing Street premises - and that doesn't make sense either!! thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: 16

12:07pm Fri 1 Aug 14

chunkyyorkie says...

CYC strapped for cash? I wonder why? It wouldn’t be due in any way to their own expensive policies and wasteful mentality would it?
They spend a small fortune in legal fees after their spectacular fail of the Lendal Bridge debacle. Total waste of public money, if only they had taken notice of the majority of voter’s opinions before they went ahead.
They spend another small fortune introducing and installing the 20mph zones….and then allow the scheme to be utterly meaningless by taking no steps to ever enforce it. Total waste of public money, if only they had taken notice of the majority of voter’s opinions before they went ahead.
They spend further small fortune on CYC staff and new buildings. There is more staff than desks, the staff that have desks use the facilities of council emails and telephones for personal matters during their working day and half the staff sit on their mobiles whilst supposed to be working. Another waste of public money.
Kings Square? Another expense that a cash strapped council could have delayed another decade if things are that tight. Really the list of bad decisions and poor management is endless.
If this was a private sector company heads would have rolled long ago for being inept managers. The culture of ‘public’ companies seems to have a very different attitude towards working professionally and efficiently. We all pay council tax for basic amenities, which in any developed country means waste collection. It appears our council tax is wasted by CYC on other projects and they then want us to foot the bill for their mistakes.
They needed to get their own house in order instead of penalizing voters for their failings and poor decisions. It’s too late for them now and a guarantee they will be voted out at election time. They were desperate for voters during the campaigning and knocking on our doors promising the earth but then systematically ignored us all when they got into power and thought they knew best. Oh the arrogance!
CYC strapped for cash? I wonder why? It wouldn’t be due in any way to their own expensive policies and wasteful mentality would it? They spend a small fortune in legal fees after their spectacular fail of the Lendal Bridge debacle. Total waste of public money, if only they had taken notice of the majority of voter’s opinions before they went ahead. They spend another small fortune introducing and installing the 20mph zones….and then allow the scheme to be utterly meaningless by taking no steps to ever enforce it. Total waste of public money, if only they had taken notice of the majority of voter’s opinions before they went ahead. They spend further small fortune on CYC staff and new buildings. There is more staff than desks, the staff that have desks use the facilities of council emails and telephones for personal matters during their working day and half the staff sit on their mobiles whilst supposed to be working. Another waste of public money. Kings Square? Another expense that a cash strapped council could have delayed another decade if things are that tight. Really the list of bad decisions and poor management is endless. If this was a private sector company heads would have rolled long ago for being inept managers. The culture of ‘public’ companies seems to have a very different attitude towards working professionally and efficiently. We all pay council tax for basic amenities, which in any developed country means waste collection. It appears our council tax is wasted by CYC on other projects and they then want us to foot the bill for their mistakes. They needed to get their own house in order instead of penalizing voters for their failings and poor decisions. It’s too late for them now and a guarantee they will be voted out at election time. They were desperate for voters during the campaigning and knocking on our doors promising the earth but then systematically ignored us all when they got into power and thought they knew best. Oh the arrogance! chunkyyorkie
  • Score: 31

12:09pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
I was trying to say dump the garden rubbish on Alexanders desk. Also that no one stands up against Alexander and the in power regime, It sounds like a Dictatorship in power.
With regards waste bins and collections, can someone explain in simple terms
a. City Population expanding, but services are not.
b. Failure of all parties to represent the citizens of York
I have challenged leader since Feb 2014. He gets other to provide answers that are not acceptable to me; but he has said he agrees with them, even though one reply/missive has not been prepared for him to see, and I still wait.

Ombudsman service seems to accept negligent council activity/inactivity.


Recycled building materials, metal in particular, are sold on. Someone is creaming in loads of cash/cheques at our expense.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: I was trying to say dump the garden rubbish on Alexanders desk. Also that no one stands up against Alexander and the in power regime, It sounds like a Dictatorship in power. With regards waste bins and collections, can someone explain in simple terms a. City Population expanding, but services are not. b. Failure of all parties to represent the citizens of York[/p][/quote]I have challenged leader since Feb 2014. He gets other to provide answers that are not acceptable to me; but he has said he agrees with them, even though one reply/missive has not been prepared for him to see, and I still wait. Ombudsman service seems to accept negligent council activity/inactivity. Recycled building materials, metal in particular, are sold on. Someone is creaming in loads of cash/cheques at our expense. Cheeky face
  • Score: 10

12:13pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

thinkingoutsidethebo
x
wrote:
Cheeky face wrote:
thinkingoutsidethebo


x
wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.
never understood why they do not
Government policy, that's why.

in Scarborough from next Tuesday you have to pay to deposit old ceramics /handbasins etc at Community Recycling Resource Centres. Whatever next? All of these in NYCC area close on Weds; leading to some rubbish being left at the entrance gates.
it may be government policy - but it still does not make sense. I note today that Messrs Cameron & Osbourne are each paying less the £50 quid a week to live in their protected and staffed Downing Street premises - and that doesn't make sense either!!
Understood. The laws are silly and do not equate to the real world. Policing of sensible legislation is a better way of the council/police raising revenue, and getting litter problem etc reduced.
[quote][p][bold]thinkingoutsidethebo x[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinkingoutsidethebo x[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.[/p][/quote]never understood why they do not[/p][/quote]Government policy, that's why. in Scarborough from next Tuesday you have to pay to deposit old ceramics /handbasins etc at Community Recycling Resource Centres. Whatever next? All of these in NYCC area close on Weds; leading to some rubbish being left at the entrance gates.[/p][/quote]it may be government policy - but it still does not make sense. I note today that Messrs Cameron & Osbourne are each paying less the £50 quid a week to live in their protected and staffed Downing Street premises - and that doesn't make sense either!![/p][/quote]Understood. The laws are silly and do not equate to the real world. Policing of sensible legislation is a better way of the council/police raising revenue, and getting litter problem etc reduced. Cheeky face
  • Score: 12

12:20pm Fri 1 Aug 14

davephiluk says...

After all the bad decisions made by this council, especially its leader, surely the larger part of the shortfall should be paid for by them! Why should we have to pay more for services which are already below par ? I have a large garden and grow a lot of my own veg etc but have to pay more for an extra green bin, which was already in situ before we came to the property 8yrs ago. Roll on next years election!
After all the bad decisions made by this council, especially its leader, surely the larger part of the shortfall should be paid for by them! Why should we have to pay more for services which are already below par ? I have a large garden and grow a lot of my own veg etc but have to pay more for an extra green bin, which was already in situ before we came to the property 8yrs ago. Roll on next years election! davephiluk
  • Score: 22

12:22pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Stevie D says...

yorkie0802 wrote:
If the council is short of money why not charge student lets council tax - the landlords get plenty of rent to cover it.
The council gets funding from central government equivalent to the council tax lost where properties are exempt/discounted because of students.
[quote][p][bold]yorkie0802[/bold] wrote: If the council is short of money why not charge student lets council tax - the landlords get plenty of rent to cover it.[/p][/quote]The council gets funding from central government equivalent to the council tax lost where properties are exempt/discounted because of students. Stevie D
  • Score: 6

12:47pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Ocifer Dibble says...

If the council is running short of money, what they could do is close a major road during certain parts of the day and then issue fines for drivers of vehicles who get caught out.........oh wait.......
If the council is running short of money, what they could do is close a major road during certain parts of the day and then issue fines for drivers of vehicles who get caught out.........oh wait....... Ocifer Dibble
  • Score: 25

1:03pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Jalymo says...

Emptying the bins is a priority service that we already pay for in our Council Tax. The Council must stop spending on vanity projects and understand they are there to serve us not tax us! The next one, Exhibition Square has just been nodded through planning. Another £1million to be wasted on a bit of paving and a new bus shelter. Read the small print and you will see that we will have to pay £3,500 a year for maintainence of this shelter. They just love spending our money!!
Emptying the bins is a priority service that we already pay for in our Council Tax. The Council must stop spending on vanity projects and understand they are there to serve us not tax us! The next one, Exhibition Square has just been nodded through planning. Another £1million to be wasted on a bit of paving and a new bus shelter. Read the small print and you will see that we will have to pay £3,500 a year for maintainence of this shelter. They just love spending our money!! Jalymo
  • Score: 34

1:59pm Fri 1 Aug 14

bolero says...

There seems to be an ongoing policy within labour, both national and local, instigated by the tartan clown, Gordon Brown. And that is waste as much of taxpayers money as possible; it's their money not ours so it doesn't matter; and then when voted out of office pretend that it is the newly elected party that is in trouble. This seems to be happening with labour councils all over the country. I don't know what the idea is but it is ludicrous and is a sure fire way to finally sink this stupid party for good. I hope. How on earth can anyone with half a brain cell continue to sit in council with Alexander and his cronies who are seemingly intent on destroying our city? Someone earlier commented about Councillors standing up for their principles. What principles? They haven't even got the backbone just to stand up.
There seems to be an ongoing policy within labour, both national and local, instigated by the tartan clown, Gordon Brown. And that is waste as much of taxpayers money as possible; it's their money not ours so it doesn't matter; and then when voted out of office pretend that it is the newly elected party that is in trouble. This seems to be happening with labour councils all over the country. I don't know what the idea is but it is ludicrous and is a sure fire way to finally sink this stupid party for good. I hope. How on earth can anyone with half a brain cell continue to sit in council with Alexander and his cronies who are seemingly intent on destroying our city? Someone earlier commented about Councillors standing up for their principles. What principles? They haven't even got the backbone just to stand up. bolero
  • Score: 28

2:31pm Fri 1 Aug 14

MorkofYork says...

All of you that think the councils failures are benign are in for a shock. Austerity left, right, and centre, half a million quid on 20mph limits lol.

They're spending huge sums trying to impose cycling culture on you, from 20mph limits, to closing lendal bridge and altering the lay out of our streets.

They can take their "vision" and stick it.
All of you that think the councils failures are benign are in for a shock. Austerity left, right, and centre, half a million quid on 20mph limits lol. They're spending huge sums trying to impose cycling culture on you, from 20mph limits, to closing lendal bridge and altering the lay out of our streets. They can take their "vision" and stick it. MorkofYork
  • Score: 32

3:02pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Caecilius says...

Bad magic wrote:
OK. Sell the alleged "arts barge". Stop giving money to cyclists. Shelve the entire "20s plenty" campaign. Don't employ people registered as LLCs for profligate amounts of money. Take our rubbish away instead.
They don't "give money to cyclists". They collect tax from the estimated ten to fifteen thousand people in York who ride a bike, as they collect it from everyone else, and they spend a very small proportion of their tax revenue on facilities for cyclists. They spend a much larger proportion on providing for motorists. Why not "stop giving money" to them?
[quote][p][bold]Bad magic[/bold] wrote: OK. Sell the alleged "arts barge". Stop giving money to cyclists. Shelve the entire "20s plenty" campaign. Don't employ people registered as LLCs for profligate amounts of money. Take our rubbish away instead.[/p][/quote]They don't "give money to cyclists". They collect tax from the estimated ten to fifteen thousand people in York who ride a bike, as they collect it from everyone else, and they spend a very small proportion of their tax revenue on facilities for cyclists. They spend a much larger proportion on providing for motorists. Why not "stop giving money" to them? Caecilius
  • Score: -27

3:17pm Fri 1 Aug 14

yorkshirelad says...

Has anyone actually read the report above? They seem to be looking at discretionary charges - so providing a basic service via the council tax and maybe charging people and businesses for extras above that.

The devil would be in the details but why exactly isn't it a good idea to look at that... I suspect administrations of all political persuasions are looking at this up and down the UK...probably with opposition politicos of all persuasions scoring political points!

Wasn't the world going to end when we went to 2-weekly black bin collections? Seems to me despite all the moaning on here that it works fine. Maybe 3-weekly would too...who knows? Green bins? Well...loads of stuff getting carted away when it could easily turn to compost if just heaped up in the garden...why not charge?

And, at the end of the day...what responsible council wouldn't look at these ideas, even if they decide that they are not a good idea in the end?

I know local newspaper forums aren't exactly known for cool and informed opinion, but seriously folks, should we really get so upset when our council look into options?
Has anyone actually read the report above? They seem to be looking at discretionary charges - so providing a basic service via the council tax and maybe charging people and businesses for extras above that. The devil would be in the details but why exactly isn't it a good idea to look at that... I suspect administrations of all political persuasions are looking at this up and down the UK...probably with opposition politicos of all persuasions scoring political points! Wasn't the world going to end when we went to 2-weekly black bin collections? Seems to me despite all the moaning on here that it works fine. Maybe 3-weekly would too...who knows? Green bins? Well...loads of stuff getting carted away when it could easily turn to compost if just heaped up in the garden...why not charge? And, at the end of the day...what responsible council wouldn't look at these ideas, even if they decide that they are not a good idea in the end? I know local newspaper forums aren't exactly known for cool and informed opinion, but seriously folks, should we really get so upset when our council look into options? yorkshirelad
  • Score: -23

3:19pm Fri 1 Aug 14

beretta says...

Where's this FREE collection of rubbish come from, we pay for it in our council tax.
The council could have saved getting on for £2,000,000 by not doing kings square and that white elephant of a cycle track along side the bypass , Clifton Moor to nowhere.
Where's this FREE collection of rubbish come from, we pay for it in our council tax. The council could have saved getting on for £2,000,000 by not doing kings square and that white elephant of a cycle track along side the bypass , Clifton Moor to nowhere. beretta
  • Score: 33

3:35pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Acomblady says...

Just a thought. Space wise my grey bin could easily last 4 if not 6 weeks before collection. I shop in the market every few days to minimse packaging, I recycle where possible and have my own compost bin. Yet in this hot weather I am glad my bin is being emptied more regularly because it has still produced the dreaded maggots. Bin collection is sadly an 'essentail' which we all benefit from
Just a thought. Space wise my grey bin could easily last 4 if not 6 weeks before collection. I shop in the market every few days to minimse packaging, I recycle where possible and have my own compost bin. Yet in this hot weather I am glad my bin is being emptied more regularly because it has still produced the dreaded maggots. Bin collection is sadly an 'essentail' which we all benefit from Acomblady
  • Score: 5

3:41pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Alf Garnett says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Oh just put up Council Tax. What would a three percent rise really mean ? Three percent represents about £45 a year, less than a pound a week. However, Mr Pickles dictates that anything over two percent must go to a local referendum. What madness is this ? We've been conned into thinking that we can have Scandinavian public services on US tax rates and that nothing needs to be paid for. We're also fooled by percentages without stopping to think about what they really mean. I want to live in a civilised country without emigrating and I'm prepared to pay for it. As someone above said, we're supposed to be the sixth richest economy. Perhaps we need to claw back some of that wealth from the increasingly fewer people who control most of it so that they can also make their equitable contribution.
That doesn't make sense. You want the rich (few) to pay more, yet you want council tax to go up. Council tax is paid by the majority of people. Which are you advocating?

Rather than pay more council tax I would rather this council didn't waste huge sums of money on daft projects and then come bleating on about saving money on waste collections.
The point is that the paltry sums from each council tax payer together raise large sums of money, though the individual hardly notices the amount. As for the very well off, who by various means have increased their percentage of the national wealth, they should pay more income tax. The two things are not mutually exclusive. Actually I would rather abolish council tax and have everyone pay income tax, some to national government and some to local, without central government interference. Council Tax, like VAT is regressive and really takes no account of the individual's circumstances.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Oh just put up Council Tax. What would a three percent rise really mean ? Three percent represents about £45 a year, less than a pound a week. However, Mr Pickles dictates that anything over two percent must go to a local referendum. What madness is this ? We've been conned into thinking that we can have Scandinavian public services on US tax rates and that nothing needs to be paid for. We're also fooled by percentages without stopping to think about what they really mean. I want to live in a civilised country without emigrating and I'm prepared to pay for it. As someone above said, we're supposed to be the sixth richest economy. Perhaps we need to claw back some of that wealth from the increasingly fewer people who control most of it so that they can also make their equitable contribution.[/p][/quote]That doesn't make sense. You want the rich (few) to pay more, yet you want council tax to go up. Council tax is paid by the majority of people. Which are you advocating? Rather than pay more council tax I would rather this council didn't waste huge sums of money on daft projects and then come bleating on about saving money on waste collections.[/p][/quote]The point is that the paltry sums from each council tax payer together raise large sums of money, though the individual hardly notices the amount. As for the very well off, who by various means have increased their percentage of the national wealth, they should pay more income tax. The two things are not mutually exclusive. Actually I would rather abolish council tax and have everyone pay income tax, some to national government and some to local, without central government interference. Council Tax, like VAT is regressive and really takes no account of the individual's circumstances. Alf Garnett
  • Score: -3

4:04pm Fri 1 Aug 14

bolero says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
Has anyone actually read the report above? They seem to be looking at discretionary charges - so providing a basic service via the council tax and maybe charging people and businesses for extras above that.

The devil would be in the details but why exactly isn't it a good idea to look at that... I suspect administrations of all political persuasions are looking at this up and down the UK...probably with opposition politicos of all persuasions scoring political points!

Wasn't the world going to end when we went to 2-weekly black bin collections? Seems to me despite all the moaning on here that it works fine. Maybe 3-weekly would too...who knows? Green bins? Well...loads of stuff getting carted away when it could easily turn to compost if just heaped up in the garden...why not charge?

And, at the end of the day...what responsible council wouldn't look at these ideas, even if they decide that they are not a good idea in the end?

I know local newspaper forums aren't exactly known for cool and informed opinion, but seriously folks, should we really get so upset when our council look into options?
They've spent their options and you are on the wrong boat. COMPOST!.
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: Has anyone actually read the report above? They seem to be looking at discretionary charges - so providing a basic service via the council tax and maybe charging people and businesses for extras above that. The devil would be in the details but why exactly isn't it a good idea to look at that... I suspect administrations of all political persuasions are looking at this up and down the UK...probably with opposition politicos of all persuasions scoring political points! Wasn't the world going to end when we went to 2-weekly black bin collections? Seems to me despite all the moaning on here that it works fine. Maybe 3-weekly would too...who knows? Green bins? Well...loads of stuff getting carted away when it could easily turn to compost if just heaped up in the garden...why not charge? And, at the end of the day...what responsible council wouldn't look at these ideas, even if they decide that they are not a good idea in the end? I know local newspaper forums aren't exactly known for cool and informed opinion, but seriously folks, should we really get so upset when our council look into options?[/p][/quote]They've spent their options and you are on the wrong boat. COMPOST!. bolero
  • Score: 3

4:19pm Fri 1 Aug 14

boroboy66 says...

How about getting rid of the totally incompetent senior management in waste disposable sections on stupid salaries and get someone competent and able to manage budgets simple!.
How about getting rid of the totally incompetent senior management in waste disposable sections on stupid salaries and get someone competent and able to manage budgets simple!. boroboy66
  • Score: 22

4:44pm Fri 1 Aug 14

mmarshal says...

£1400 per annum council tax buys me what?
Regular police patrols - NO
Weekly dustbin collection - NO
Gritting for local street and footpath - NO
Scratching my head here but I can't seem to work out for what I'm paying nearly £4 per day (unless of course it's to fund the range of hairbrained money squandering schemes which the likes of Alexander, Merrett & Co come up with.
Roll on the next council elections.
£1400 per annum council tax buys me what? Regular police patrols - NO Weekly dustbin collection - NO Gritting for local street and footpath - NO Scratching my head here but I can't seem to work out for what I'm paying nearly £4 per day (unless of course it's to fund the range of hairbrained money squandering schemes which the likes of Alexander, Merrett & Co come up with. Roll on the next council elections. mmarshal
  • Score: 40

4:57pm Fri 1 Aug 14

MorkofYork says...

My bin stinks after 2 weeks. I tie every bag but it still ends up covered in maggots sometimes. The lid's warped so it doesn't close properly. I could do with like a giant shower cap or something to keep the flies out and the smell in.
My bin stinks after 2 weeks. I tie every bag but it still ends up covered in maggots sometimes. The lid's warped so it doesn't close properly. I could do with like a giant shower cap or something to keep the flies out and the smell in. MorkofYork
  • Score: 18

5:11pm Fri 1 Aug 14

pedalling paul says...

MorkofYork wrote:
My bin stinks after 2 weeks. I tie every bag but it still ends up covered in maggots sometimes. The lid's warped so it doesn't close properly. I could do with like a giant shower cap or something to keep the flies out and the smell in.
Contact York Rotters for a compost bin. What you don't put in there can then go into your wheelie bin with far less opportunity for it to start ponging.
[quote][p][bold]MorkofYork[/bold] wrote: My bin stinks after 2 weeks. I tie every bag but it still ends up covered in maggots sometimes. The lid's warped so it doesn't close properly. I could do with like a giant shower cap or something to keep the flies out and the smell in.[/p][/quote]Contact York Rotters for a compost bin. What you don't put in there can then go into your wheelie bin with far less opportunity for it to start ponging. pedalling paul
  • Score: -20

5:15pm Fri 1 Aug 14

roy_batty says...

YORK householders could face higher charges for rubbish collection as the city council struggles to balance its books.

City of York Council currently charges only for extra garden waste collections and gives homes in York a free fortnightly collection, but a report suggests new charges could be used to plug gaps in budgets.

*FREE FORTNIGHTLY COLLECTION*

Can somebody tell me how it is FREE?? last time I looked at my bank statement it stated I paid £112 per month to City of York council.

I am beginning to think York City council are just a bunch of thieves taking money from hard working residents to fund champagne life styles for the likes of Kersten England and her pals! It seems year on end my council tax goes up and services are reduced, yet the executives at the council get obscenely richer!

Back to the rubbish, isn't it time the council started charging either the students or the landlords of the properties that the students are letting??

On many occasion i have got in touch with the council about student properties in the Burton Stone Lane area putting excessive amounts of rubbish out many days before the collection day, on one occasion there was 72 large bags outside a student property on Newborough Street for 8 days! Only yesterday there was in the region of about 30 outside the same property , it looked like the bags had been there for a few days, as they were ripped apart and rubbish strew all over the path!

Sick and fed up now of these clowns on the council, we the hard working residents pay our taxes for our bins emptying and the streets to be maintained etc, you are basically robbing the hard working residents who pay council tax, that makes you a bunch of thieves!
YORK householders could face higher charges for rubbish collection as the city council struggles to balance its books. City of York Council currently charges only for extra garden waste collections and gives homes in York a free fortnightly collection, but a report suggests new charges could be used to plug gaps in budgets. *FREE FORTNIGHTLY COLLECTION* Can somebody tell me how it is FREE?? last time I looked at my bank statement it stated I paid £112 per month to City of York council. I am beginning to think York City council are just a bunch of thieves taking money from hard working residents to fund champagne life styles for the likes of Kersten England and her pals! It seems year on end my council tax goes up and services are reduced, yet the executives at the council get obscenely richer! Back to the rubbish, isn't it time the council started charging either the students or the landlords of the properties that the students are letting?? On many occasion i have got in touch with the council about student properties in the Burton Stone Lane area putting excessive amounts of rubbish out many days before the collection day, on one occasion there was 72 large bags outside a student property on Newborough Street for 8 days! Only yesterday there was in the region of about 30 outside the same property , it looked like the bags had been there for a few days, as they were ripped apart and rubbish strew all over the path! Sick and fed up now of these clowns on the council, we the hard working residents pay our taxes for our bins emptying and the streets to be maintained etc, you are basically robbing the hard working residents who pay council tax, that makes you a bunch of thieves! roy_batty
  • Score: 25

5:20pm Fri 1 Aug 14

roy_batty says...

beretta wrote:
Where's this FREE collection of rubbish come from, we pay for it in our council tax.
The council could have saved getting on for £2,000,000 by not doing kings square and that white elephant of a cycle track along side the bypass , Clifton Moor to nowhere.
Have you seen that cycle track this week? Already the tarmac is lifting and cracking! Very poor job
[quote][p][bold]beretta[/bold] wrote: Where's this FREE collection of rubbish come from, we pay for it in our council tax. The council could have saved getting on for £2,000,000 by not doing kings square and that white elephant of a cycle track along side the bypass , Clifton Moor to nowhere.[/p][/quote]Have you seen that cycle track this week? Already the tarmac is lifting and cracking! Very poor job roy_batty
  • Score: 24

6:00pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

davephiluk wrote:
After all the bad decisions made by this council, especially its leader, surely the larger part of the shortfall should be paid for by them! Why should we have to pay more for services which are already below par ? I have a large garden and grow a lot of my own veg etc but have to pay more for an extra green bin, which was already in situ before we came to the property 8yrs ago. Roll on next years election!
The sites recycle green waste. I would refuse to pay extra, unless they can create a satisfactory explanation. Many York people already know waste is.

As an investor in three council areas I become distressed, dispirited an annoyed.
[quote][p][bold]davephiluk[/bold] wrote: After all the bad decisions made by this council, especially its leader, surely the larger part of the shortfall should be paid for by them! Why should we have to pay more for services which are already below par ? I have a large garden and grow a lot of my own veg etc but have to pay more for an extra green bin, which was already in situ before we came to the property 8yrs ago. Roll on next years election![/p][/quote]The sites recycle green waste. I would refuse to pay extra, unless they can create a satisfactory explanation. Many York people already know waste is. As an investor in three council areas I become distressed, dispirited an annoyed. Cheeky face
  • Score: 8

6:01pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Jonlogical says...

A fly tippers charter!
A fly tippers charter! Jonlogical
  • Score: 17

6:11pm Fri 1 Aug 14

blottie says...

York councillors remind me of school boys on a Saturday,they can't wait to get to the shops to spend their pocket money.The difference is it is not the councillors money it is ours.
York councillors remind me of school boys on a Saturday,they can't wait to get to the shops to spend their pocket money.The difference is it is not the councillors money it is ours. blottie
  • Score: 23

6:13pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

Flytipping could easily increase **** residents/owners try to avoid any such surcharges. York residents need to used FOI when the council's accounts are due. Year end Sept I believe.

We already pay £1 or so to have car tyres disposed of, after we change them for new ones which has a tax in the overall cost. Some car tyres are easily re-cycled- lots of opportunities for others to make money. Vicious
circle I am afraid.
Flytipping could easily increase **** residents/owners try to avoid any such surcharges. York residents need to used FOI when the council's accounts are due. Year end Sept I believe. We already pay £1 or so to have car tyres disposed of, after we change them for new ones which has a tax in the overall cost. Some car tyres are easily re-cycled- lots of opportunities for others to make money. Vicious circle I am afraid. Cheeky face
  • Score: 11

6:26pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Jack Ham says...

mmarshal wrote:
£1400 per annum council tax buys me what?
Regular police patrols - NO
Weekly dustbin collection - NO
Gritting for local street and footpath - NO
Scratching my head here but I can't seem to work out for what I'm paying nearly £4 per day (unless of course it's to fund the range of hairbrained money squandering schemes which the likes of Alexander, Merrett & Co come up with.
Roll on the next council elections.
Spot on!
[quote][p][bold]mmarshal[/bold] wrote: £1400 per annum council tax buys me what? Regular police patrols - NO Weekly dustbin collection - NO Gritting for local street and footpath - NO Scratching my head here but I can't seem to work out for what I'm paying nearly £4 per day (unless of course it's to fund the range of hairbrained money squandering schemes which the likes of Alexander, Merrett & Co come up with. Roll on the next council elections.[/p][/quote]Spot on! Jack Ham
  • Score: 23

6:59pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Silver says...

Sorry guys if you think you will be paying twice for your bins to be emptied. You're actually be paying thrice. You pay the council to collect it, they use your money to pay for it to be disposed and if you have to pay again thats three times. And who do they pay for the disposal you ask? It's a company called Yorwaste. Which are owned by CYC and North Yorkshire Council but run independantly.
Sorry guys if you think you will be paying twice for your bins to be emptied. You're actually be paying thrice. You pay the council to collect it, they use your money to pay for it to be disposed and if you have to pay again thats three times. And who do they pay for the disposal you ask? It's a company called Yorwaste. Which are owned by CYC and North Yorkshire Council but run independantly. Silver
  • Score: 15

7:26pm Fri 1 Aug 14

mitch2nd says...

what a surprise they way they waste money, sack the lot of them and get business men like me to run it, I turned my last company from being worth £5.75M to £26M in less than 5 years, morons the lot of them
what a surprise they way they waste money, sack the lot of them and get business men like me to run it, I turned my last company from being worth £5.75M to £26M in less than 5 years, morons the lot of them mitch2nd
  • Score: 12

7:39pm Fri 1 Aug 14

A.P.Feeders says...

What was labours anthem things can only get better well with this rabble in charge it just gets worse
What was labours anthem things can only get better well with this rabble in charge it just gets worse A.P.Feeders
  • Score: 20

7:52pm Fri 1 Aug 14

malonemalone says...

yorkandproud wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.
Landlords are also providing housing for students that the universities cannot. Better still, make the scroungers who are making no effort to get a job, go and collect some of the rubbish that we are talking about, so that they are earning their benefits.
the majority of the students are filthy layabout causing havoc for everyone else, get the students to out cleaning the rubbish i say
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Landlords raking it in. Least they can do is pay some council tax.[/p][/quote]Landlords are also providing housing for students that the universities cannot. Better still, make the scroungers who are making no effort to get a job, go and collect some of the rubbish that we are talking about, so that they are earning their benefits.[/p][/quote]the majority of the students are filthy layabout causing havoc for everyone else, get the students to out cleaning the rubbish i say malonemalone
  • Score: 8

8:27pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Back and Beyond says...

beretta wrote:
Where's this FREE collection of rubbish come from, we pay for it in our council tax.
The council could have saved getting on for £2,000,000 by not doing kings square and that white elephant of a cycle track along side the bypass , Clifton Moor to nowhere.
A £1million pound cycle path that is already falling to bits....anyone else seen the size of the cracks? Good value for money?
[quote][p][bold]beretta[/bold] wrote: Where's this FREE collection of rubbish come from, we pay for it in our council tax. The council could have saved getting on for £2,000,000 by not doing kings square and that white elephant of a cycle track along side the bypass , Clifton Moor to nowhere.[/p][/quote]A £1million pound cycle path that is already falling to bits....anyone else seen the size of the cracks? Good value for money? Back and Beyond
  • Score: 22

8:35pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Yorkie41 says...

I'msohappy.com wrote:
Yorkie41 wrote:
Tom6187 wrote:
Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.
I think you will find that the staff work flexy hours so as to get away early, and so fit in with their life style.
Well wouldn't we all like a job that fits in with our life style!
Most council workers have finished at or just after lunch time for as long as I can remember, if every company worked to those rules the world would be in a worse state than it is now, part time work = part time wages - I'm betting they would soon be staying the whole shift!!!
You should not be complaining about other peoples working conditions if they are better than yours, but thinking how can I improve my working conditions and hours to improve my family life style.
[quote][p][bold]I'msohappy.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yorkie41[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the staff work flexy hours so as to get away early, and so fit in with their life style.[/p][/quote]Well wouldn't we all like a job that fits in with our life style! Most council workers have finished at or just after lunch time for as long as I can remember, if every company worked to those rules the world would be in a worse state than it is now, part time work = part time wages - I'm betting they would soon be staying the whole shift!!![/p][/quote]You should not be complaining about other peoples working conditions if they are better than yours, but thinking how can I improve my working conditions and hours to improve my family life style. Yorkie41
  • Score: -2

9:00pm Fri 1 Aug 14

groovygran says...

yorkie0802 wrote:
If the council is short of money why not charge student lets council tax - the landlords get plenty of rent to cover it.
I totally agree! I can't understand why we have to subsidise the student landlords!
[quote][p][bold]yorkie0802[/bold] wrote: If the council is short of money why not charge student lets council tax - the landlords get plenty of rent to cover it.[/p][/quote]I totally agree! I can't understand why we have to subsidise the student landlords! groovygran
  • Score: 11

9:02pm Fri 1 Aug 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Wiggles wrote:
Tom6187 wrote:
Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.
Oh let's roll this old chestnut out again shall we - I'm a council worker and start before the majority of you keyboard bunnies are even up - feel free to join me when I start working at 5am and then tell me I'm finishing early if I'm done by early afternoon - those of you that moan might like to be out in all weathers collecting other peoples crap other than spouting it on here!
..... despite what you say, you still posted at 10.01am.
[quote][p][bold]Wiggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.[/p][/quote]Oh let's roll this old chestnut out again shall we - I'm a council worker and start before the majority of you keyboard bunnies are even up - feel free to join me when I start working at 5am and then tell me I'm finishing early if I'm done by early afternoon - those of you that moan might like to be out in all weathers collecting other peoples crap other than spouting it on here![/p][/quote]..... despite what you say, you still posted at 10.01am. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 12

9:06pm Fri 1 Aug 14

bolero says...

Back and Beyond wrote:
beretta wrote:
Where's this FREE collection of rubbish come from, we pay for it in our council tax.
The council could have saved getting on for £2,000,000 by not doing kings square and that white elephant of a cycle track along side the bypass , Clifton Moor to nowhere.
A £1million pound cycle path that is already falling to bits....anyone else seen the size of the cracks? Good value for money?
A bit like YCC isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Back and Beyond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beretta[/bold] wrote: Where's this FREE collection of rubbish come from, we pay for it in our council tax. The council could have saved getting on for £2,000,000 by not doing kings square and that white elephant of a cycle track along side the bypass , Clifton Moor to nowhere.[/p][/quote]A £1million pound cycle path that is already falling to bits....anyone else seen the size of the cracks? Good value for money?[/p][/quote]A bit like YCC isn't it? bolero
  • Score: 16

9:30pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Alfredd-g says...

Leave the residents alone and slap a small hotel / visitor tax on the tourists and the drunken trash (racegoers and hen / stag parties) that trample all over this small city, please. My black bin currently stinks after just one week and my green bin is totally inadequate for just a couple of days of gardening. I already pay this totally disfunctional council £1,754.71 a year in council tax. Enough is enough.
Leave the residents alone and slap a small hotel / visitor tax on the tourists and the drunken trash (racegoers and hen / stag parties) that trample all over this small city, please. My black bin currently stinks after just one week and my green bin is totally inadequate for just a couple of days of gardening. I already pay this totally disfunctional council £1,754.71 a year in council tax. Enough is enough. Alfredd-g
  • Score: 16

10:06pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Yorkie-Clifton says...

Why the hell do we pay our Rates ?? --This is totally BAD MANAGEMENT .
We have elected managers , pay a fortune for Officers . Now a suggestion of paying , what is fundamentally a right in view of the contributions i pay for my RATES .. I despair in such a disgraceful Council .
Why the hell do we pay our Rates ?? --This is totally BAD MANAGEMENT . We have elected managers , pay a fortune for Officers . Now a suggestion of paying , what is fundamentally a right in view of the contributions i pay for my RATES .. I despair in such a disgraceful Council . Yorkie-Clifton
  • Score: 16

10:43pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Caz64 says...

It's a disgrace - it should be included in the Council Tax we pay and that's extortionate as it is. It's a case of 'clutching at straws' to drum up money !
It's a disgrace - it should be included in the Council Tax we pay and that's extortionate as it is. It's a case of 'clutching at straws' to drum up money ! Caz64
  • Score: 10

11:03pm Fri 1 Aug 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Alfredd-g wrote:
Leave the residents alone and slap a small hotel / visitor tax on the tourists and the drunken trash (racegoers and hen / stag parties) that trample all over this small city, please. My black bin currently stinks after just one week and my green bin is totally inadequate for just a couple of days of gardening. I already pay this totally disfunctional council £1,754.71 a year in council tax. Enough is enough.
No, this is not the way to go about it, those visitors, the ones spending money , already pay enough tax as it is, they no doubt pay an extortionate amount of council tax in their own town/city, and i (and probably you) like to go to other towns and cities on a short break, all you are doing is what labour love and that's introducing more stealth taxes! the way to go about this is reduce all those wages over 100K by 50% , reduce all those wages above 75K by 35% and all those on 50K and above by 25% do this immediately and then see what happens, councils are just gravy trains robbing residents of their hard earned pennies.... this current crop of labour are a disgusting breed of champagne socialists who don't want to do a proper job, just look at simply-wrongs and alexanders work record, neither have done a proper days work in their lives! at the end of the day all they (the council ) are doing his robbing the peter (the resident) to fund Paul E-J (and the rest of them parasites)
[quote][p][bold]Alfredd-g[/bold] wrote: Leave the residents alone and slap a small hotel / visitor tax on the tourists and the drunken trash (racegoers and hen / stag parties) that trample all over this small city, please. My black bin currently stinks after just one week and my green bin is totally inadequate for just a couple of days of gardening. I already pay this totally disfunctional council £1,754.71 a year in council tax. Enough is enough.[/p][/quote]No, this is not the way to go about it, those visitors, the ones spending money , already pay enough tax as it is, they no doubt pay an extortionate amount of council tax in their own town/city, and i (and probably you) like to go to other towns and cities on a short break, all you are doing is what labour love and that's introducing more stealth taxes! the way to go about this is reduce all those wages over 100K by 50% , reduce all those wages above 75K by 35% and all those on 50K and above by 25% do this immediately and then see what happens, councils are just gravy trains robbing residents of their hard earned pennies.... this current crop of labour are a disgusting breed of champagne socialists who don't want to do a proper job, just look at simply-wrongs and alexanders work record, neither have done a proper days work in their lives! at the end of the day all they (the council ) are doing his robbing the peter (the resident) to fund Paul E-J (and the rest of them parasites) oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 9

11:44pm Fri 1 Aug 14

piaggio1 says...

So how come most major cities in tbe EUSSR .charge you ( the brit ) a local tax ? Look on your invoice.it.s somert like 3% .tourist tax ?.pisa /amsterdam/berlin . Do it..??????
So how come most major cities in tbe EUSSR .charge you ( the brit ) a local tax ? Look on your invoice.it.s somert like 3% .tourist tax ?.pisa /amsterdam/berlin . Do it..?????? piaggio1
  • Score: 2

11:48pm Fri 1 Aug 14

piaggio1 says...

This mob are shattin thereseleves. IT Will all come out .....scum.....an THEY Know it....
This mob are shattin thereseleves. IT Will all come out .....scum.....an THEY Know it.... piaggio1
  • Score: 8

6:10am Sat 2 Aug 14

yawn.. says...

There wouldn't be a gap to fill if the council didn't waste so much money on their idiot ideas and £700 a day 'experts'.. remember this the next time you vote labour.!!!
There wouldn't be a gap to fill if the council didn't waste so much money on their idiot ideas and £700 a day 'experts'.. remember this the next time you vote labour.!!! yawn..
  • Score: 7

6:53am Sat 2 Aug 14

Wiggles says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
Wiggles wrote:
Tom6187 wrote:
Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.
Oh let's roll this old chestnut out again shall we - I'm a council worker and start before the majority of you keyboard bunnies are even up - feel free to join me when I start working at 5am and then tell me I'm finishing early if I'm done by early afternoon - those of you that moan might like to be out in all weathers collecting other peoples crap other than spouting it on here!
..... despite what you say, you still posted at 10.01am.
That's because we are also entitled to annual leave which I am currently taking
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wiggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.[/p][/quote]Oh let's roll this old chestnut out again shall we - I'm a council worker and start before the majority of you keyboard bunnies are even up - feel free to join me when I start working at 5am and then tell me I'm finishing early if I'm done by early afternoon - those of you that moan might like to be out in all weathers collecting other peoples crap other than spouting it on here![/p][/quote]..... despite what you say, you still posted at 10.01am.[/p][/quote]That's because we are also entitled to annual leave which I am currently taking Wiggles
  • Score: 5

7:44am Sat 2 Aug 14

goatman says...

Piaggio is right - most European hotels slap a nominal 'tourist tax' onto their bills. Not much for the individual but it all adds up. Mind you, most people on the continent have a little more respect for their environment, too.
Piaggio is right - most European hotels slap a nominal 'tourist tax' onto their bills. Not much for the individual but it all adds up. Mind you, most people on the continent have a little more respect for their environment, too. goatman
  • Score: 4

9:47am Sat 2 Aug 14

bolero says...

yawn.. wrote:
There wouldn't be a gap to fill if the council didn't waste so much money on their idiot ideas and £700 a day 'experts'.. remember this the next time you vote labour.!!!
There won't be a next time for many people.
[quote][p][bold]yawn..[/bold] wrote: There wouldn't be a gap to fill if the council didn't waste so much money on their idiot ideas and £700 a day 'experts'.. remember this the next time you vote labour.!!![/p][/quote]There won't be a next time for many people. bolero
  • Score: 5

1:25pm Sat 2 Aug 14

wildthing666 says...

You can bet their will be a 1.99% raise next year and the following year, anything they can get away with, without having to hold a referendum
You can bet their will be a 1.99% raise next year and the following year, anything they can get away with, without having to hold a referendum wildthing666
  • Score: 5

1:50pm Sat 2 Aug 14

York1234 says...

This is outrageous. We pay enough.

Someone should FOI KE CYC contract for employment. The wage isn't paid direct to her it goes via a company. I've been told this reduces her tax payments? The things you over hear in the CEX office.
This is outrageous. We pay enough. Someone should FOI KE CYC contract for employment. The wage isn't paid direct to her it goes via a company. I've been told this reduces her tax payments? The things you over hear in the CEX office. York1234
  • Score: 6

2:00pm Sat 2 Aug 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

Yorkie-Clifton wrote:
Why the hell do we pay our Rates ?? --This is totally BAD MANAGEMENT .
We have elected managers , pay a fortune for Officers . Now a suggestion of paying , what is fundamentally a right in view of the contributions i pay for my RATES .. I despair in such a disgraceful Council .
radical thought......would have branded me a commie in years past BUT what would happen if everyone stopped paying their council tax. It has been done before in part. Of course it wasn't called council tax then (re-naming it didn't really make it any nicer - I suppose poll tax sounded all bad somehow).
[quote][p][bold]Yorkie-Clifton[/bold] wrote: Why the hell do we pay our Rates ?? --This is totally BAD MANAGEMENT . We have elected managers , pay a fortune for Officers . Now a suggestion of paying , what is fundamentally a right in view of the contributions i pay for my RATES .. I despair in such a disgraceful Council .[/p][/quote]radical thought......would have branded me a commie in years past BUT what would happen if everyone stopped paying their council tax. It has been done before in part. Of course it wasn't called council tax then (re-naming it didn't really make it any nicer - I suppose poll tax sounded all bad somehow). thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: 3

4:22pm Sat 2 Aug 14

Sillybillies says...

Wiggles wrote:
Tom6187 wrote:
Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.
Oh let's roll this old chestnut out again shall we - I'm a council worker and start before the majority of you keyboard bunnies are even up - feel free to join me when I start working at 5am and then tell me I'm finishing early if I'm done by early afternoon - those of you that moan might like to be out in all weathers collecting other peoples crap other than spouting it on here!
From October to April when there is no green bin collection, the council workers are double manned on the grey bin collection. For real savings half the workforce should be laid off.
[quote][p][bold]Wiggles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: Council staff are finishing at lunch time and getting paid for a full days work, while the rest of us have to work full days, putting them to proper use would save a fortune.[/p][/quote]Oh let's roll this old chestnut out again shall we - I'm a council worker and start before the majority of you keyboard bunnies are even up - feel free to join me when I start working at 5am and then tell me I'm finishing early if I'm done by early afternoon - those of you that moan might like to be out in all weathers collecting other peoples crap other than spouting it on here![/p][/quote]From October to April when there is no green bin collection, the council workers are double manned on the grey bin collection. For real savings half the workforce should be laid off. Sillybillies
  • Score: 2

12:47am Sun 3 Aug 14

inthesticks says...

mmarshal wrote:
£1400 per annum council tax buys me what?
Regular police patrols - NO
Weekly dustbin collection - NO
Gritting for local street and footpath - NO
Scratching my head here but I can't seem to work out for what I'm paying nearly £4 per day (unless of course it's to fund the range of hairbrained money squandering schemes which the likes of Alexander, Merrett & Co come up with.
Roll on the next council elections.
Try £4.7 million per year in directors salaries (before expenses).
[quote][p][bold]mmarshal[/bold] wrote: £1400 per annum council tax buys me what? Regular police patrols - NO Weekly dustbin collection - NO Gritting for local street and footpath - NO Scratching my head here but I can't seem to work out for what I'm paying nearly £4 per day (unless of course it's to fund the range of hairbrained money squandering schemes which the likes of Alexander, Merrett & Co come up with. Roll on the next council elections.[/p][/quote]Try £4.7 million per year in directors salaries (before expenses). inthesticks
  • Score: 6

1:02am Sun 3 Aug 14

yorkresident007 says...

the council DO NOT provide a FREE fortnightly collection - it is paid for through the council tax !!!!!!!
the council DO NOT provide a FREE fortnightly collection - it is paid for through the council tax !!!!!!! yorkresident007
  • Score: 7

9:04am Sun 3 Aug 14

spragger says...

In France you get two bin collections per week.
Which means you do not need huge, stinking, ugly containers, to keep it in

In the UK we either are heading for increased charges, or one collection per three weeks. Some families will need a skip to contain 3 weeks of rubbish
Is this the Councils new strategy, we do all the rubbish storage on our premises

So what are we paying Council Tax for?
Its looking increasingly to provide thousands of Council non jobs, high salaries, expensive Chief Execs and unaffordable pensions.
In fact anything but a few cost effective services
In France you get two bin collections per week. Which means you do not need huge, stinking, ugly containers, to keep it in In the UK we either are heading for increased charges, or one collection per three weeks. Some families will need a skip to contain 3 weeks of rubbish Is this the Councils new strategy, we do all the rubbish storage on our premises So what are we paying Council Tax for? Its looking increasingly to provide thousands of Council non jobs, high salaries, expensive Chief Execs and unaffordable pensions. In fact anything but a few cost effective services spragger
  • Score: 6

8:05am Mon 4 Aug 14

Kevin Turvey says...

My rubbish that the council will not take in future for which I pay for through my full council tax rate of £1700 a year will be going onto Jimmy 'lend me a tenner' Alexander's desk or to his home address (details on council website register of interests!).
Then Merrit's
Then Simply wrong's


Sack the lot of them...

Or better still have them out removing the rubbish that we pay for to be removed. Bet they could'nt even do that!

It's really simple:
We pay council tax for the council to undertake basic services, then they carry them out. If they do not then they are not doing the work for which we pay them. Then its time for us to not pay them until they do!

Stop wasting our money on vanity projects and expensive consultants on tax dodges!
My rubbish that the council will not take in future for which I pay for through my full council tax rate of £1700 a year will be going onto Jimmy 'lend me a tenner' Alexander's desk or to his home address (details on council website register of interests!). Then Merrit's Then Simply wrong's Sack the lot of them... Or better still have them out removing the rubbish that we pay for to be removed. Bet they could'nt even do that! It's really simple: We pay council tax for the council to undertake basic services, then they carry them out. If they do not then they are not doing the work for which we pay them. Then its time for us to not pay them until they do! Stop wasting our money on vanity projects and expensive consultants on tax dodges! Kevin Turvey
  • Score: 3

6:23pm Mon 4 Aug 14

HoofHearteds says...

"York residents "COULD! face new bin charges"

Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility.

and after all this anger and tense expression...

Unhappy:
"(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation):
eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts"
http://www.oxforddic
tionaries.com

Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of"

Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber.

Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?
"York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree? HoofHearteds
  • Score: -3

10:02pm Mon 4 Aug 14

jay, york says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
"York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?
Neither hoofy. We all blame york labour council as all the overspending is unquestionably their responsibility - and you are obviously included in that.
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: "York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?[/p][/quote]Neither hoofy. We all blame york labour council as all the overspending is unquestionably their responsibility - and you are obviously included in that. jay, york
  • Score: 6

12:25pm Tue 5 Aug 14

HoofHearteds says...

jay, york wrote:
HoofHearteds wrote:
"York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?
Neither hoofy. We all blame york labour council as all the overspending is unquestionably their responsibility - and you are obviously included in that.
The over spending that created this squeeze on councils came from the banks. Eric pickles has cut the money to councils so the incompetent bankers can have their errors paid for by me and thee.

It's far too easy to blame the lower leafs for the taller ones mistakes.

Try and think out of the box a little and see the bigger picture. Or stay blinkered and blameful over tribal shallow party politics rants on here.
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: "York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?[/p][/quote]Neither hoofy. We all blame york labour council as all the overspending is unquestionably their responsibility - and you are obviously included in that.[/p][/quote]The over spending that created this squeeze on councils came from the banks. Eric pickles has cut the money to councils so the incompetent bankers can have their errors paid for by me and thee. It's far too easy to blame the lower leafs for the taller ones mistakes. Try and think out of the box a little and see the bigger picture. Or stay blinkered and blameful over tribal shallow party politics rants on here. HoofHearteds
  • Score: -1

2:43pm Tue 5 Aug 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
jay, york wrote:
HoofHearteds wrote:
"York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?
Neither hoofy. We all blame york labour council as all the overspending is unquestionably their responsibility - and you are obviously included in that.
The over spending that created this squeeze on councils came from the banks. Eric pickles has cut the money to councils so the incompetent bankers can have their errors paid for by me and thee.

It's far too easy to blame the lower leafs for the taller ones mistakes.

Try and think out of the box a little and see the bigger picture. Or stay blinkered and blameful over tribal shallow party politics rants on here.
the bankers are a load of wa*nkers, BUT everyone had to cope and there has been plenty to cope with. So why didn't the council do better at coping instead of going headlong into adding to an existing crisis. In essence - why the bloomin' hummer have they wasted so much money...............
tribal shallow party politics rants on here? - what a load of old tosh
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: "York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?[/p][/quote]Neither hoofy. We all blame york labour council as all the overspending is unquestionably their responsibility - and you are obviously included in that.[/p][/quote]The over spending that created this squeeze on councils came from the banks. Eric pickles has cut the money to councils so the incompetent bankers can have their errors paid for by me and thee. It's far too easy to blame the lower leafs for the taller ones mistakes. Try and think out of the box a little and see the bigger picture. Or stay blinkered and blameful over tribal shallow party politics rants on here.[/p][/quote]the bankers are a load of wa*nkers, BUT everyone had to cope and there has been plenty to cope with. So why didn't the council do better at coping instead of going headlong into adding to an existing crisis. In essence - why the bloomin' hummer have they wasted so much money............... tribal shallow party politics rants on here? - what a load of old tosh thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: 3

9:51pm Tue 5 Aug 14

jay, york says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
jay, york wrote:
HoofHearteds wrote: "York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?
Neither hoofy. We all blame york labour council as all the overspending is unquestionably their responsibility - and you are obviously included in that.
The over spending that created this squeeze on councils came from the banks. Eric pickles has cut the money to councils so the incompetent bankers can have their errors paid for by me and thee. It's far too easy to blame the lower leafs for the taller ones mistakes. Try and think out of the box a little and see the bigger picture. Or stay blinkered and blameful over tribal shallow party politics rants on here.
Oh hoofy what is that matter with your thinking - have you finally lost the plot?.
What the banks have done has affected absolutely everyone in this country. Those of us with common sense and a desire to succeed have trimmed our budgets accordingly and can still afford to do what we want to do and enjoy a good lifestyle.
Others, like labour cyc, have continued to spend in the old fashioned way - extortionate amounts on pet schemes and vanity projects. And now they are short of cash and credibility.
cyc - and councillor crisp - are so quick to try and apportion blame elsewhere, in fact anywhere else - but the faults for their failures lies only with them.
Counciller crisp feels that I should think out of the box - well I do, and I this is why I am successful and not in this horrendous mess the cyc are in. Maybe she should be making this sort of comment to little jimmy and kersty and if they follow that advice and take off their blinkers, they may just get a grip of things again and gain some credibility back.
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: "York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?[/p][/quote]Neither hoofy. We all blame york labour council as all the overspending is unquestionably their responsibility - and you are obviously included in that.[/p][/quote]The over spending that created this squeeze on councils came from the banks. Eric pickles has cut the money to councils so the incompetent bankers can have their errors paid for by me and thee. It's far too easy to blame the lower leafs for the taller ones mistakes. Try and think out of the box a little and see the bigger picture. Or stay blinkered and blameful over tribal shallow party politics rants on here.[/p][/quote]Oh hoofy what is that matter with your thinking - have you finally lost the plot?. What the banks have done has affected absolutely everyone in this country. Those of us with common sense and a desire to succeed have trimmed our budgets accordingly and can still afford to do what we want to do and enjoy a good lifestyle. Others, like labour cyc, have continued to spend in the old fashioned way - extortionate amounts on pet schemes and vanity projects. And now they are short of cash and credibility. cyc - and councillor crisp - are so quick to try and apportion blame elsewhere, in fact anywhere else - but the faults for their failures lies only with them. Counciller crisp feels that I should think out of the box - well I do, and I this is why I am successful and not in this horrendous mess the cyc are in. Maybe she should be making this sort of comment to little jimmy and kersty and if they follow that advice and take off their blinkers, they may just get a grip of things again and gain some credibility back. jay, york
  • Score: 1

11:51pm Tue 5 Aug 14

HoofHearteds says...

jay, york wrote:
HoofHearteds wrote:
jay, york wrote:
HoofHearteds wrote: "York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?
Neither hoofy. We all blame york labour council as all the overspending is unquestionably their responsibility - and you are obviously included in that.
The over spending that created this squeeze on councils came from the banks. Eric pickles has cut the money to councils so the incompetent bankers can have their errors paid for by me and thee. It's far too easy to blame the lower leafs for the taller ones mistakes. Try and think out of the box a little and see the bigger picture. Or stay blinkered and blameful over tribal shallow party politics rants on here.
Oh hoofy what is that matter with your thinking - have you finally lost the plot?.
What the banks have done has affected absolutely everyone in this country. Those of us with common sense and a desire to succeed have trimmed our budgets accordingly and can still afford to do what we want to do and enjoy a good lifestyle.
Others, like labour cyc, have continued to spend in the old fashioned way - extortionate amounts on pet schemes and vanity projects. And now they are short of cash and credibility.
cyc - and councillor crisp - are so quick to try and apportion blame elsewhere, in fact anywhere else - but the faults for their failures lies only with them.
Counciller crisp feels that I should think out of the box - well I do, and I this is why I am successful and not in this horrendous mess the cyc are in. Maybe she should be making this sort of comment to little jimmy and kersty and if they follow that advice and take off their blinkers, they may just get a grip of things again and gain some credibility back.
I get the creepy feeling you think your having a conversation with Ms Crisp.

That alone makes me realise im debating with a person that floats with assumption and hear say. I now see why you think the Elite money people are void of responsibility, youve been conditioned to think that way.

Here's something to wet your paranoid matches over me being some labour party politician.. I am not female babes. Do you like debating with powerful women? Does it make you feel almost in Guildhall one to one :=P

Chill jay and keep trimming your budget kidda.. then you can prove your a good citizen that does as its told by the elites.
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: "York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?[/p][/quote]Neither hoofy. We all blame york labour council as all the overspending is unquestionably their responsibility - and you are obviously included in that.[/p][/quote]The over spending that created this squeeze on councils came from the banks. Eric pickles has cut the money to councils so the incompetent bankers can have their errors paid for by me and thee. It's far too easy to blame the lower leafs for the taller ones mistakes. Try and think out of the box a little and see the bigger picture. Or stay blinkered and blameful over tribal shallow party politics rants on here.[/p][/quote]Oh hoofy what is that matter with your thinking - have you finally lost the plot?. What the banks have done has affected absolutely everyone in this country. Those of us with common sense and a desire to succeed have trimmed our budgets accordingly and can still afford to do what we want to do and enjoy a good lifestyle. Others, like labour cyc, have continued to spend in the old fashioned way - extortionate amounts on pet schemes and vanity projects. And now they are short of cash and credibility. cyc - and councillor crisp - are so quick to try and apportion blame elsewhere, in fact anywhere else - but the faults for their failures lies only with them. Counciller crisp feels that I should think out of the box - well I do, and I this is why I am successful and not in this horrendous mess the cyc are in. Maybe she should be making this sort of comment to little jimmy and kersty and if they follow that advice and take off their blinkers, they may just get a grip of things again and gain some credibility back.[/p][/quote]I get the creepy feeling you think your having a conversation with Ms Crisp. That alone makes me realise im debating with a person that floats with assumption and hear say. I now see why you think the Elite money people are void of responsibility, youve been conditioned to think that way. Here's something to wet your paranoid matches over me being some labour party politician.. I am not female babes. Do you like debating with powerful women? Does it make you feel almost in Guildhall one to one :=P Chill jay and keep trimming your budget kidda.. then you can prove your a good citizen that does as its told by the elites. HoofHearteds
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11:04pm Wed 6 Aug 14

jay, york says...

HoofHearteds wrote:
jay, york wrote:
HoofHearteds wrote:
jay, york wrote:
HoofHearteds wrote: "York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?
Neither hoofy. We all blame york labour council as all the overspending is unquestionably their responsibility - and you are obviously included in that.
The over spending that created this squeeze on councils came from the banks. Eric pickles has cut the money to councils so the incompetent bankers can have their errors paid for by me and thee. It's far too easy to blame the lower leafs for the taller ones mistakes. Try and think out of the box a little and see the bigger picture. Or stay blinkered and blameful over tribal shallow party politics rants on here.
Oh hoofy what is that matter with your thinking - have you finally lost the plot?. What the banks have done has affected absolutely everyone in this country. Those of us with common sense and a desire to succeed have trimmed our budgets accordingly and can still afford to do what we want to do and enjoy a good lifestyle. Others, like labour cyc, have continued to spend in the old fashioned way - extortionate amounts on pet schemes and vanity projects. And now they are short of cash and credibility. cyc - and councillor crisp - are so quick to try and apportion blame elsewhere, in fact anywhere else - but the faults for their failures lies only with them. Counciller crisp feels that I should think out of the box - well I do, and I this is why I am successful and not in this horrendous mess the cyc are in. Maybe she should be making this sort of comment to little jimmy and kersty and if they follow that advice and take off their blinkers, they may just get a grip of things again and gain some credibility back.
I get the creepy feeling you think your having a conversation with Ms Crisp. That alone makes me realise im debating with a person that floats with assumption and hear say. I now see why you think the Elite money people are void of responsibility, youve been conditioned to think that way. Here's something to wet your paranoid matches over me being some labour party politician.. I am not female babes. Do you like debating with powerful women? Does it make you feel almost in Guildhall one to one :=P Chill jay and keep trimming your budget kidda.. then you can prove your a good citizen that does as its told by the elites.
You are pathetic
[quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HoofHearteds[/bold] wrote: "York residents "COULD! face new bin charges" Oxford dictionary definition: Used to indicate possibility. and after all this anger and tense expression... Unhappy: "(unhappy at/about/with) Not satisfied or pleased with (a situation): eg, many were unhappy about the scale of the cuts" http://www.oxforddic tionaries.com Cuts: Reduce the amount or quantity of" Cuts and squeezing, paying back those Billions we had to use to bail out the Bankers. Meanwhile, the Bankers are rewarding themselves with multi million bonus's. Paid for failure and kept safe and protected by their political representatives in the Boom and Guff chamber. Shall we blame the top of this tree (Bankers) or the lower leaves of the tree?[/p][/quote]Neither hoofy. We all blame york labour council as all the overspending is unquestionably their responsibility - and you are obviously included in that.[/p][/quote]The over spending that created this squeeze on councils came from the banks. Eric pickles has cut the money to councils so the incompetent bankers can have their errors paid for by me and thee. It's far too easy to blame the lower leafs for the taller ones mistakes. Try and think out of the box a little and see the bigger picture. Or stay blinkered and blameful over tribal shallow party politics rants on here.[/p][/quote]Oh hoofy what is that matter with your thinking - have you finally lost the plot?. What the banks have done has affected absolutely everyone in this country. Those of us with common sense and a desire to succeed have trimmed our budgets accordingly and can still afford to do what we want to do and enjoy a good lifestyle. Others, like labour cyc, have continued to spend in the old fashioned way - extortionate amounts on pet schemes and vanity projects. And now they are short of cash and credibility. cyc - and councillor crisp - are so quick to try and apportion blame elsewhere, in fact anywhere else - but the faults for their failures lies only with them. Counciller crisp feels that I should think out of the box - well I do, and I this is why I am successful and not in this horrendous mess the cyc are in. Maybe she should be making this sort of comment to little jimmy and kersty and if they follow that advice and take off their blinkers, they may just get a grip of things again and gain some credibility back.[/p][/quote]I get the creepy feeling you think your having a conversation with Ms Crisp. That alone makes me realise im debating with a person that floats with assumption and hear say. I now see why you think the Elite money people are void of responsibility, youve been conditioned to think that way. Here's something to wet your paranoid matches over me being some labour party politician.. I am not female babes. Do you like debating with powerful women? Does it make you feel almost in Guildhall one to one :=P Chill jay and keep trimming your budget kidda.. then you can prove your a good citizen that does as its told by the elites.[/p][/quote]You are pathetic jay, york
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3:27pm Thu 7 Aug 14

tessah-York says...

"City of York Council currently charges only for extra garden waste collections and gives homes in York a free fortnightly collection" - Just to be clear - it's not FREE - that is basic service that should be covered by our tax money - perhaps offering FREE wifi to city center could be scapped so that the council would cover the BASICS
"City of York Council currently charges only for extra garden waste collections and gives homes in York a free fortnightly collection" - Just to be clear - it's not FREE - that is basic service that should be covered by our tax money - perhaps offering FREE wifi to city center could be scapped so that the council would cover the BASICS tessah-York
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4:49pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Cheeky face says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
What's this nonsense about FREE collections. We already pay through the nose for our collections, so charging us TWICE is a nonsense.

As for charging extra for rubbish to be disposed of at the recycling centre, I'll make the comment I've made before:

Why are our laybys full of rubbish? It's because the council make it difficult and expensive to dispose of waste already. If you make it more expensive then our countryside, which is already blighted by fly-tipping will be even worse. Remember - COYC - it is your responsibility to pick up this fly-tipped waste. This is a far more costly method of getting rid of waste.

A far more sensible way of saving money would be to stop these vanity projects this council are hell bent on wasting money on.
Noted. Civic skips/resource recycling centres in NYorkshire and in York all close on Weds! That leads to some flytipping.

The price list for disposing of hardcore/rubble and plasterboard is on the NYCC web-site. It is not easy to understand for a householder who is clearing out a garage before re-sale.

ERYC DO NOT CHARGE FOR HOUSHOLDERS GETTING RID OF RUBBLE UNLESS THE SITE EMPLOYEES SUSPECT IT IS BUSINESS REFUSE. Their nearest site is Burnby near Pocklington.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: What's this nonsense about FREE collections. We already pay through the nose for our collections, so charging us TWICE is a nonsense. As for charging extra for rubbish to be disposed of at the recycling centre, I'll make the comment I've made before: Why are our laybys full of rubbish? It's because the council make it difficult and expensive to dispose of waste already. If you make it more expensive then our countryside, which is already blighted by fly-tipping will be even worse. Remember - COYC - it is your responsibility to pick up this fly-tipped waste. This is a far more costly method of getting rid of waste. A far more sensible way of saving money would be to stop these vanity projects this council are hell bent on wasting money on.[/p][/quote]Noted. Civic skips/resource recycling centres in NYorkshire and in York all close on Weds! That leads to some flytipping. The price list for disposing of hardcore/rubble and plasterboard is on the NYCC web-site. It is not easy to understand for a householder who is clearing out a garage before re-sale. ERYC DO NOT CHARGE FOR HOUSHOLDERS GETTING RID OF RUBBLE UNLESS THE SITE EMPLOYEES SUSPECT IT IS BUSINESS REFUSE. Their nearest site is Burnby near Pocklington. Cheeky face
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