Council to get tough on excessive drinking in York

BACKING: Cllr Barbara Boyce

BACKING: Cllr Barbara Boyce

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LICENSEES who sell alcohol to already-drunk customers could be hauled before York's city leaders, under new plans.

City council bosses want to take a tougher stand against those who contribute to make trouble and antisocial behaviour on a night time.

They are to write to all licensed premises, reminding managers and owners of their responsibilities and will seek formal review hearings of the licences of trouble-spots.

The move has been cautiously welcomed by some pub landlords, but they said supermarkets were as big a problems as bars and pubs, and called for equal treatment.

City of York Council leader James Alexander told The Press earlier this month that he was keen for the council to take "more robust action against licensees who are selling alcohol to people they "know are intoxicated", and he said the council planned to call some licences in for review where venues "are not taking their responsibilities seriously".

Cllr Barbara Boyce, council chairman of gambling and licensing, has now backed those calls.

She said: "We need to do all we can within the terms of the legislation to ensure that licence holders stick to the terms of their licences and sell alcohol responsibly. It is also essential that people out enjoying themselves take responsibility for themselves and their friends and make sure they know where they are and what they are doing at the end of the evening.

"Ultimately I would like to see a city where evening entertainment is less reliant on heavy drinking and is known for more diverse entertainment that does not necessarily involve alcohol all the time."

Jason Hawkins, who runs the Three Tuns pub in Coppergate, said: "The pub trade is often vilified because its assumed that if a person is drunk its our fault for serving them when in fact many of these drunks have been consuming alcohol purchased from supermarkets and off licenses or have 'pre loaded' by consuming alcohol prior to going into pubs or nightclubs.

"No one in the pub trade wants to see anyone come to harm from having a night out so any initiative that raises awareness of the results of excessive alcohol consumption will have the support of responsible licensees but perhaps these initiatives will be evenly applied to all licensed premises and not just the pubs."

He said it was only sometimes easy to spot drunk customers straight away, and said some people bought drinks on behalf of drunker friends.

Paul Marshall, landlord of the Rook and Gaskill in Lawrence Street, said: “The majority of people I know in this area don’t get drunk in pubs; I think it’s more to do with pre-loading before they come out.

“Most licensees are pretty on the ball when it comes to watching out for people who are drunk. It’s something we get from time to time from licensing.”

Cllr Tracey Simpson-Laing, deputy council leader, said some shops and pubs or bars were serving intoxicated customers and said: "This has to stop." She said some staff were unaware of their responsibilities and said letters would remind licence-holders of their obligations under their licences not to serve people who have had too much to drink, urging them to invest in staff training, and saying they can contribute positively to the city.

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11:24am Mon 28 Jul 14

meme says...

I don't think its licencees who should be blamed
People who are drunk did it to themselves and if they were punished by a night in the cells and then fined and named and shamed rather than being given a gently slap on the wrist they may learn to grow up a bit!
Try making the offender take responsibility and dig out the root of the problem rather than prune the tree.
If you behave like a child yet are an adult you deserve to face the consequences rather than blaming it on a licensee for forcing alcohol into you!
I don't think its licencees who should be blamed People who are drunk did it to themselves and if they were punished by a night in the cells and then fined and named and shamed rather than being given a gently slap on the wrist they may learn to grow up a bit! Try making the offender take responsibility and dig out the root of the problem rather than prune the tree. If you behave like a child yet are an adult you deserve to face the consequences rather than blaming it on a licensee for forcing alcohol into you! meme
  • Score: 72

11:45am Mon 28 Jul 14

Fat Harry says...

I take your point meme but nevertheless if someone turns comes to the bar already drunk (whether through pre-loading or through drink bought earlier from the bar), it is an offence to serve him or her further alcohol.
I take your point meme but nevertheless if someone turns comes to the bar already drunk (whether through pre-loading or through drink bought earlier from the bar), it is an offence to serve him or her further alcohol. Fat Harry
  • Score: 46

11:55am Mon 28 Jul 14

chrisatyork says...

As someone who has to deal with some of these idiots on a night (more so on saturdays and race days).
1/I think an 11pm closing time should be brought in force within the ringroad
2/Drink tanks set up in the city centre (with clear glass sides so people can see these idiots)
3/ stop the drinks promotions and slap on a £5.00 minimum charge per drink

As i have said i have to deal with these people on a regular basis ( i`m a night cleaner on York station). And as such i welcome any efforts to curb drinking getting out of hand.
Btw i like a drink myself but unlike some i know my limits
As someone who has to deal with some of these idiots on a night (more so on saturdays and race days). 1/I think an 11pm closing time should be brought in force within the ringroad 2/Drink tanks set up in the city centre (with clear glass sides so people can see these idiots) 3/ stop the drinks promotions and slap on a £5.00 minimum charge per drink As i have said i have to deal with these people on a regular basis ( i`m a night cleaner on York station). And as such i welcome any efforts to curb drinking getting out of hand. Btw i like a drink myself but unlike some i know my limits chrisatyork
  • Score: -3

12:01pm Mon 28 Jul 14

nearlyman says...

Utterly impossible to enforce......what is the definition of drunk ? Do you breathalyse people at the bar ? Some people may have drunk twice as much as the trouble maker and still be able to behave in an acceptable fashion. If you really want to stop the antisocial behaviour it is high time that , when they are brought before the courts, instead of a paltry £75 fine, they are fined at least £1000 first offence and rising each time they continue to behave anti socially. That way, they may just focus on the error of their ways, rather than laughing it off and still being able to afford to go out and celebrate 'getting off' so lightly.
Utterly impossible to enforce......what is the definition of drunk ? Do you breathalyse people at the bar ? Some people may have drunk twice as much as the trouble maker and still be able to behave in an acceptable fashion. If you really want to stop the antisocial behaviour it is high time that , when they are brought before the courts, instead of a paltry £75 fine, they are fined at least £1000 first offence and rising each time they continue to behave anti socially. That way, they may just focus on the error of their ways, rather than laughing it off and still being able to afford to go out and celebrate 'getting off' so lightly. nearlyman
  • Score: 38

12:11pm Mon 28 Jul 14

bishopthorpe_jim says...

I agree with the sentiment that the drinkers also need to take their share of the responsibility. It is the minority of idiots who deliberately drink to the point that they've lost all control that ruin things for those who drink socially but whose behaviour doesn't impact on others. Having said that, there are clearly some licencees who don't do enough to sell alcohol responsibly; particularly in preventing people who are already drunk from drinking more. If you ask the people of York about the worst offenders I think most would cite the hen parties who arrive drunk, and stumble their way from bar to bar in the middle of the day whilst the rest of us try and enjoy our day in town. The best pubs in town are the ones that either don't attract or don't admit these groups (regardless of whether or not they've been drinking). Second would have to be the racegoers. As the comments on other stories have made clear, this Saturday evening was horrible along the main routes between the racecourse and the town. I've known it to be bad in the past, but the good weather seemed to have brought out the absolute worst in people. I'd love to know how many people were turned away from the racecourse because they arrived drunk, and how many were actually refused further drink. The PR man at the racecourse seems to believe it's entirely the fault of other licencees in York; which strikes me as completely irresponsible. As I've said elsewhere, I'd love to see the impact of a couple of 'dry' race meets - if, as the racecourse seem to believe, they have no responsibility for the drinking culture amongst the racegoers, they won't be affected. If, on the other hand, the behaviour is markedly improved - perhaps they'll take some responsibility and do more to improve the situation in the future.
I agree with the sentiment that the drinkers also need to take their share of the responsibility. It is the minority of idiots who deliberately drink to the point that they've lost all control that ruin things for those who drink socially but whose behaviour doesn't impact on others. Having said that, there are clearly some licencees who don't do enough to sell alcohol responsibly; particularly in preventing people who are already drunk from drinking more. If you ask the people of York about the worst offenders I think most would cite the hen parties who arrive drunk, and stumble their way from bar to bar in the middle of the day whilst the rest of us try and enjoy our day in town. The best pubs in town are the ones that either don't attract or don't admit these groups (regardless of whether or not they've been drinking). Second would have to be the racegoers. As the comments on other stories have made clear, this Saturday evening was horrible along the main routes between the racecourse and the town. I've known it to be bad in the past, but the good weather seemed to have brought out the absolute worst in people. I'd love to know how many people were turned away from the racecourse because they arrived drunk, and how many were actually refused further drink. The PR man at the racecourse seems to believe it's entirely the fault of other licencees in York; which strikes me as completely irresponsible. As I've said elsewhere, I'd love to see the impact of a couple of 'dry' race meets - if, as the racecourse seem to believe, they have no responsibility for the drinking culture amongst the racegoers, they won't be affected. If, on the other hand, the behaviour is markedly improved - perhaps they'll take some responsibility and do more to improve the situation in the future. bishopthorpe_jim
  • Score: 55

12:11pm Mon 28 Jul 14

chrisatyork says...

Wow minus 5 in 15 mins think the score muppet is up early
Wow minus 5 in 15 mins think the score muppet is up early chrisatyork
  • Score: 42

12:22pm Mon 28 Jul 14

pbrowne2009@live.co.uk says...

Fat Harry wrote:
I take your point meme but nevertheless if someone turns comes to the bar already drunk (whether through pre-loading or through drink bought earlier from the bar), it is an offence to serve him or her further alcohol.
While I agree on both points, define drunk 'Fat Harry'? Tipsy, Drunk, Completely smashed are all effects from drinking alcohol. Lets face it, even if you are social drinking on a nice hot day at the kings arms, and you have lets say 2-3 casual (not downed) pints, and you're a fairly small build, you get a bit tipsy and a little bit cheerful as a barman do you cause an upset and ruin this guys social drinking event as he comes across 'Drunk', or do you serve him? Bear in mind tipsy and drunk and the effects of both differ from person to person. Its the ones drinking who need to learn when to stop drinking, served with a bit of responsibility from the pubs and clubs.

I'd also like to add......... you can walk into a pub sober and walk out on hands and knee's yet the barman might have ever served you once. Your pal next to you did the bar trip - who do you blame then?
[quote][p][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: I take your point meme but nevertheless if someone turns comes to the bar already drunk (whether through pre-loading or through drink bought earlier from the bar), it is an offence to serve him or her further alcohol.[/p][/quote]While I agree on both points, define drunk 'Fat Harry'? Tipsy, Drunk, Completely smashed are all effects from drinking alcohol. Lets face it, even if you are social drinking on a nice hot day at the kings arms, and you have lets say 2-3 casual (not downed) pints, and you're a fairly small build, you get a bit tipsy and a little bit cheerful as a barman do you cause an upset and ruin this guys social drinking event as he comes across 'Drunk', or do you serve him? Bear in mind tipsy and drunk and the effects of both differ from person to person. Its the ones drinking who need to learn when to stop drinking, served with a bit of responsibility from the pubs and clubs. I'd also like to add......... you can walk into a pub sober and walk out on hands and knee's yet the barman might have ever served you once. Your pal next to you did the bar trip - who do you blame then? pbrowne2009@live.co.uk
  • Score: 24

12:27pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Stressed Out says...

nearlyman wrote:
Utterly impossible to enforce......what is the definition of drunk ? Do you breathalyse people at the bar ? Some people may have drunk twice as much as the trouble maker and still be able to behave in an acceptable fashion. If you really want to stop the antisocial behaviour it is high time that , when they are brought before the courts, instead of a paltry £75 fine, they are fined at least £1000 first offence and rising each time they continue to behave anti socially. That way, they may just focus on the error of their ways, rather than laughing it off and still being able to afford to go out and celebrate 'getting off' so lightly.
The only person that can stand up in a court and say someone was drunk are a police officer. The only person in a bar that can say a person is drunk is a police officer. Over to them then
[quote][p][bold]nearlyman[/bold] wrote: Utterly impossible to enforce......what is the definition of drunk ? Do you breathalyse people at the bar ? Some people may have drunk twice as much as the trouble maker and still be able to behave in an acceptable fashion. If you really want to stop the antisocial behaviour it is high time that , when they are brought before the courts, instead of a paltry £75 fine, they are fined at least £1000 first offence and rising each time they continue to behave anti socially. That way, they may just focus on the error of their ways, rather than laughing it off and still being able to afford to go out and celebrate 'getting off' so lightly.[/p][/quote]The only person that can stand up in a court and say someone was drunk are a police officer. The only person in a bar that can say a person is drunk is a police officer. Over to them then Stressed Out
  • Score: 13

12:56pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

So the 'tough action' is a letter to bars reminding them of their responsibilities.

Nothing like strong and decisive leadership.
So the 'tough action' is a letter to bars reminding them of their responsibilities. Nothing like strong and decisive leadership. Jack Ham
  • Score: 16

12:58pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Stevie D says...

Great news, and let's hope it actually gets done.

To the people who blame all the drink-related problems on pre-loading ... do you really think people would drink at home and then come into town if they knew they wouldn't get served any more? No, they still come into town because they know they will still get into pubs and clubs, and still get served more drinks, despite being thoroughly drunk.

The races may have an element of people who bring all their own drink, but that certainly isn't the whole story, there are far too many people who get drunk(er) in the racecourse bars.
Great news, and let's hope it actually gets done. To the people who blame all the drink-related problems on pre-loading ... do you really think people would drink at home and then come into town if they knew they wouldn't get served any more? No, they still come into town because they know they will still get into pubs and clubs, and still get served more drinks, despite being thoroughly drunk. The races may have an element of people who bring all their own drink, but that certainly isn't the whole story, there are far too many people who get drunk(er) in the racecourse bars. Stevie D
  • Score: 21

1:17pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

Stevie D wrote:
Great news, and let's hope it actually gets done.

To the people who blame all the drink-related problems on pre-loading ... do you really think people would drink at home and then come into town if they knew they wouldn't get served any more? No, they still come into town because they know they will still get into pubs and clubs, and still get served more drinks, despite being thoroughly drunk.

The races may have an element of people who bring all their own drink, but that certainly isn't the whole story, there are far too many people who get drunk(er) in the racecourse bars.
The pre-loading is an irrelevant argument.

If somebody is already drunk, whether it be morning, noon it night the bars in town should refuse to serve them.

Drinking at home may hit their profits but is no excuse for poor bar management.
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: Great news, and let's hope it actually gets done. To the people who blame all the drink-related problems on pre-loading ... do you really think people would drink at home and then come into town if they knew they wouldn't get served any more? No, they still come into town because they know they will still get into pubs and clubs, and still get served more drinks, despite being thoroughly drunk. The races may have an element of people who bring all their own drink, but that certainly isn't the whole story, there are far too many people who get drunk(er) in the racecourse bars.[/p][/quote]The pre-loading is an irrelevant argument. If somebody is already drunk, whether it be morning, noon it night the bars in town should refuse to serve them. Drinking at home may hit their profits but is no excuse for poor bar management. Jack Ham
  • Score: 29

1:23pm Mon 28 Jul 14

pbrowne2009@live.co.uk says...

chrisatyork wrote:
As someone who has to deal with some of these idiots on a night (more so on saturdays and race days).
1/I think an 11pm closing time should be brought in force within the ringroad
2/Drink tanks set up in the city centre (with clear glass sides so people can see these idiots)
3/ stop the drinks promotions and slap on a £5.00 minimum charge per drink

As i have said i have to deal with these people on a regular basis ( i`m a night cleaner on York station). And as such i welcome any efforts to curb drinking getting out of hand.
Btw i like a drink myself but unlike some i know my limits
11pm closing time, why? There is no start and stop time for drinking. If tescos could open 24 hours a day I'd shop there at my convenience, not when it closes. Oh wait, they are open 24hrs a day. I don't then start my shopping at 7am and finish it at 6.30 the next day because I can. The same goes with pubs, why should they close at 11pm? Its like punishing everyone for a small minority.

Drink tanks, so they can all sit inside a see through tank, throwing up all over each other and making a pigs ear out of each other in what sounds like a 3rd world humiliation street parade. Because that will do what?

Stop the drinks promotions, with a minimum £5.00 charge on all drinks, please get me a job at the station as a cleaner if this is how you think they should bill everyone.

I too like a drink and I too know my limits but all your views are totally stupid and thought inside the box. Sometimes people need to think before they let their fingers do the typing.
[quote][p][bold]chrisatyork[/bold] wrote: As someone who has to deal with some of these idiots on a night (more so on saturdays and race days). 1/I think an 11pm closing time should be brought in force within the ringroad 2/Drink tanks set up in the city centre (with clear glass sides so people can see these idiots) 3/ stop the drinks promotions and slap on a £5.00 minimum charge per drink As i have said i have to deal with these people on a regular basis ( i`m a night cleaner on York station). And as such i welcome any efforts to curb drinking getting out of hand. Btw i like a drink myself but unlike some i know my limits[/p][/quote]11pm closing time, why? There is no start and stop time for drinking. If tescos could open 24 hours a day I'd shop there at my convenience, not when it closes. Oh wait, they are open 24hrs a day. I don't then start my shopping at 7am and finish it at 6.30 the next day because I can. The same goes with pubs, why should they close at 11pm? Its like punishing everyone for a small minority. Drink tanks, so they can all sit inside a see through tank, throwing up all over each other and making a pigs ear out of each other in what sounds like a 3rd world humiliation street parade. Because that will do what? Stop the drinks promotions, with a minimum £5.00 charge on all drinks, please get me a job at the station as a cleaner if this is how you think they should bill everyone. I too like a drink and I too know my limits but all your views are totally stupid and thought inside the box. Sometimes people need to think before they let their fingers do the typing. pbrowne2009@live.co.uk
  • Score: 2

1:24pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Dr Brian says...

I do hope they are sending warnings to that oaf James Brennan at York Racecourse - after all they are major contributors to drunken behaviour in York on Race Days
I do hope they are sending warnings to that oaf James Brennan at York Racecourse - after all they are major contributors to drunken behaviour in York on Race Days Dr Brian
  • Score: 40

1:32pm Mon 28 Jul 14

pbrowne2009@live.co.uk says...

chrisatyork wrote:
Wow minus 5 in 15 mins think the score muppet is up early
which means that on average every 3 minutes someone disliked your comment. which is a fair assessment judging by what you wrote.
[quote][p][bold]chrisatyork[/bold] wrote: Wow minus 5 in 15 mins think the score muppet is up early[/p][/quote]which means that on average every 3 minutes someone disliked your comment. which is a fair assessment judging by what you wrote. pbrowne2009@live.co.uk
  • Score: 11

1:34pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Dave Ruddock says...

tad late (Again) for the council to try and do something, of course half heatedly. Ref to races and I guess Football, drinking is done (Heavily) by some, this brings it on the many that do not drink or drink responsibly. Its a sure pity that we dont have a holding area, pref outdoors, what ever the weather. Personally I believe its all those involved, the Drunk, the sellers (Pub, Club, Shops, Supermarkets etc etc. It might also help in those that like to try and swim when intoxicated. It does seem a British thing. as for councilors, Strange the person with the responsibility for gambling and licensing only says something after everyone else has shouted .
tad late (Again) for the council to try and do something, of course half heatedly. Ref to races and I guess Football, drinking is done (Heavily) by some, this brings it on the many that do not drink or drink responsibly. Its a sure pity that we dont have a holding area, pref outdoors, what ever the weather. Personally I believe its all those involved, the Drunk, the sellers (Pub, Club, Shops, Supermarkets etc etc. It might also help in those that like to try and swim when intoxicated. It does seem a British thing. as for councilors, Strange the person with the responsibility for gambling and licensing only says something after everyone else has shouted . Dave Ruddock
  • Score: -2

1:38pm Mon 28 Jul 14

wildthing666 says...

They should be an automatic revoking of the license and manatoty 5 years in prison for serving a drunk person with alcohol, plus never able to be a person with any influence over alcohol sales . Oh wait we already have similar laws. With CCTV it should be easy to trace their steps through the city and prosecute bar owners, something they will never do as the fines created through these disturbances fills the courts coffers.
They should be an automatic revoking of the license and manatoty 5 years in prison for serving a drunk person with alcohol, plus never able to be a person with any influence over alcohol sales . Oh wait we already have similar laws. With CCTV it should be easy to trace their steps through the city and prosecute bar owners, something they will never do as the fines created through these disturbances fills the courts coffers. wildthing666
  • Score: -12

1:52pm Mon 28 Jul 14

mrcharly says...

I think this is appalling. Threatening landlords with having to talk to James Alexander. That's cruel and unusual punishment, surely?
I think this is appalling. Threatening landlords with having to talk to James Alexander. That's cruel and unusual punishment, surely? mrcharly
  • Score: 22

2:19pm Mon 28 Jul 14

acomblass says...

And who brought in 24 hour drinking - Labour of course! They were warned at the time about the consequences. Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted!
And who brought in 24 hour drinking - Labour of course! They were warned at the time about the consequences. Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted! acomblass
  • Score: 13

2:41pm Mon 28 Jul 14

smudge2 says...

The problem has become unstoppable with no clear solution.. Talk is cheap and shutting the gate when the bull has left the field is a waste of time. York has become a 24 hours stag and hen and drinkers paradise and with the rise of the massive building project of cheap hotels the problem is only going to get worse and not just on a weekend. Of course if you are young its great but for us old grumpies its become intolerable to be woken by groups singing and screaming their heads off at 4.30 am when the clubs close but I guess that is the price to pay for inner city living as the council all encouraged us to do to stop car usage. Wait until October when the new students arrive back for more problems. Having just walked back from the city 10 minutes ago and seen the same beggars in the same places that the council/police/salva
tion army were going to clamp down on then I have little confidence they can tackle the drink problem.
The problem has become unstoppable with no clear solution.. Talk is cheap and shutting the gate when the bull has left the field is a waste of time. York has become a 24 hours stag and hen and drinkers paradise and with the rise of the massive building project of cheap hotels the problem is only going to get worse and not just on a weekend. Of course if you are young its great but for us old grumpies its become intolerable to be woken by groups singing and screaming their heads off at 4.30 am when the clubs close but I guess that is the price to pay for inner city living as the council all encouraged us to do to stop car usage. Wait until October when the new students arrive back for more problems. Having just walked back from the city 10 minutes ago and seen the same beggars in the same places that the council/police/salva tion army were going to clamp down on then I have little confidence they can tackle the drink problem. smudge2
  • Score: 17

3:11pm Mon 28 Jul 14

retrorigg says...

so the first couple of pubs on the pub run are going to do ok but then according to this crackdown the last pubs at the end of the night will be empty as most people are drunk (on different levels) by the time they get to the 4th or 5th pub, so by the 8th pub there shouldnt be anyone in it
so the first couple of pubs on the pub run are going to do ok but then according to this crackdown the last pubs at the end of the night will be empty as most people are drunk (on different levels) by the time they get to the 4th or 5th pub, so by the 8th pub there shouldnt be anyone in it retrorigg
  • Score: 9

3:12pm Mon 28 Jul 14

asd says...

acomblass wrote:
And who brought in 24 hour drinking - Labour of course! They were warned at the time about the consequences. Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted!
What a load of B*llocks, has always been fighting caused from drinks and it was even worse because people had ram it down there throats before last orders a 11pm. You may want to think about your wonderful right wing friends taxing beer so heavily with the 20% vat in pubs but, not tacking the cheap drinks from supermarkets. The fact is this, it is not a political problem it is a social problem, look at English drinkers at Ibiza etc they do all sorts but, you don't see many Italians over here causing fights because they are drunk !
[quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: And who brought in 24 hour drinking - Labour of course! They were warned at the time about the consequences. Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted![/p][/quote]What a load of B*llocks, has always been fighting caused from drinks and it was even worse because people had ram it down there throats before last orders a 11pm. You may want to think about your wonderful right wing friends taxing beer so heavily with the 20% vat in pubs but, not tacking the cheap drinks from supermarkets. The fact is this, it is not a political problem it is a social problem, look at English drinkers at Ibiza etc they do all sorts but, you don't see many Italians over here causing fights because they are drunk ! asd
  • Score: 16

3:22pm Mon 28 Jul 14

meme says...

why even argue about it
heavily punish offenders and it will soon stop; don't punish them and they behave like morons Its the same with kids behaviour there has to be a limit and once you breach that limit you are seriously sanctioned
individuals must act responsibly or be in serious trouble
why even argue about it heavily punish offenders and it will soon stop; don't punish them and they behave like morons Its the same with kids behaviour there has to be a limit and once you breach that limit you are seriously sanctioned individuals must act responsibly or be in serious trouble meme
  • Score: 15

3:25pm Mon 28 Jul 14

cambsmover says...

asd wrote:
acomblass wrote:
And who brought in 24 hour drinking - Labour of course! They were warned at the time about the consequences. Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted!
What a load of B*llocks, has always been fighting caused from drinks and it was even worse because people had ram it down there throats before last orders a 11pm. You may want to think about your wonderful right wing friends taxing beer so heavily with the 20% vat in pubs but, not tacking the cheap drinks from supermarkets. The fact is this, it is not a political problem it is a social problem, look at English drinkers at Ibiza etc they do all sorts but, you don't see many Italians over here causing fights because they are drunk !
Cultural problem absolutely, but don't punish everybody by closing at 11pm again.
[quote][p][bold]asd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: And who brought in 24 hour drinking - Labour of course! They were warned at the time about the consequences. Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted![/p][/quote]What a load of B*llocks, has always been fighting caused from drinks and it was even worse because people had ram it down there throats before last orders a 11pm. You may want to think about your wonderful right wing friends taxing beer so heavily with the 20% vat in pubs but, not tacking the cheap drinks from supermarkets. The fact is this, it is not a political problem it is a social problem, look at English drinkers at Ibiza etc they do all sorts but, you don't see many Italians over here causing fights because they are drunk ![/p][/quote]Cultural problem absolutely, but don't punish everybody by closing at 11pm again. cambsmover
  • Score: 13

4:00pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Minsterred says...

Please just get the racecourse to enforce the current conditions on its existing licence. York simply cannot cope with the huge volume of massively intoxicated racegoers they kindly "spewed" out on to the streets on Saturday and we shouldn't have to. It's not fair that york races take zero responsibility for any of the large scale serious problems they cause. They need to be held accountable because as usual they are in total and utter denial again! And for their spokesman to make such ridiculous comments in the press artical I think was the final straw for many residents.
Please just get the racecourse to enforce the current conditions on its existing licence. York simply cannot cope with the huge volume of massively intoxicated racegoers they kindly "spewed" out on to the streets on Saturday and we shouldn't have to. It's not fair that york races take zero responsibility for any of the large scale serious problems they cause. They need to be held accountable because as usual they are in total and utter denial again! And for their spokesman to make such ridiculous comments in the press artical I think was the final straw for many residents. Minsterred
  • Score: 27

4:15pm Mon 28 Jul 14

CHISSY1 says...

Always blame the racecourse,what about the resident drunks of York.
Always blame the racecourse,what about the resident drunks of York. CHISSY1
  • Score: -15

4:26pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Miles Davis says...

meme wrote:
I don't think its licencees who should be blamed
People who are drunk did it to themselves and if they were punished by a night in the cells and then fined and named and shamed rather than being given a gently slap on the wrist they may learn to grow up a bit!
Try making the offender take responsibility and dig out the root of the problem rather than prune the tree.
If you behave like a child yet are an adult you deserve to face the consequences rather than blaming it on a licensee for forcing alcohol into you!
Must be so good on 'planet nice'. Gentle slap on the wrist and a night in the cells? Those are the cells that in short supply and the Police Officers tied up sorting out the drunk. And who cleans up the vomit, urine and violence that occurs before the gentle slap?
The UK culture of heavy drinking by both sexes, all night long is fueled by the super low prices of high alcohol content drinks. The clubs and some bars are more than happy to make a quick buck, then turf the drunk out onto the streets of York for the Police, Ambulance service and hospital waste their time on.
The punter will never take responsibility when they are in a large crowd of peers and the alcohol is so low in price.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: I don't think its licencees who should be blamed People who are drunk did it to themselves and if they were punished by a night in the cells and then fined and named and shamed rather than being given a gently slap on the wrist they may learn to grow up a bit! Try making the offender take responsibility and dig out the root of the problem rather than prune the tree. If you behave like a child yet are an adult you deserve to face the consequences rather than blaming it on a licensee for forcing alcohol into you![/p][/quote]Must be so good on 'planet nice'. Gentle slap on the wrist and a night in the cells? Those are the cells that in short supply and the Police Officers tied up sorting out the drunk. And who cleans up the vomit, urine and violence that occurs before the gentle slap? The UK culture of heavy drinking by both sexes, all night long is fueled by the super low prices of high alcohol content drinks. The clubs and some bars are more than happy to make a quick buck, then turf the drunk out onto the streets of York for the Police, Ambulance service and hospital waste their time on. The punter will never take responsibility when they are in a large crowd of peers and the alcohol is so low in price. Miles Davis
  • Score: 2

4:38pm Mon 28 Jul 14

meme says...

Miles
Perhaps a clean up could be part of the punishment as if you are fit enough to get pi...ed up you are fit enough to spend the next Saturday night cleaning up ,others vomit/urine etc and that would teach you about the consequences of your behaviour. Perhaps a month of Saturday night cleaning up would be a **** good deterrent.
can I ask do you drink just because its cheap? Do you drink just because some mates do? I doubt it as you hopefully behave like an adult not a child
Until people learn that for every action there is a consequence baling bad behaviour on others leading you on is an excuse!
Miles Perhaps a clean up could be part of the punishment as if you are fit enough to get pi...ed up you are fit enough to spend the next Saturday night cleaning up ,others vomit/urine etc and that would teach you about the consequences of your behaviour. Perhaps a month of Saturday night cleaning up would be a **** good deterrent. can I ask do you drink just because its cheap? Do you drink just because some mates do? I doubt it as you hopefully behave like an adult not a child Until people learn that for every action there is a consequence baling bad behaviour on others leading you on is an excuse! meme
  • Score: 7

5:04pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Yorkresident100 says...

Would be a nice change for the Council to start doing things in the interests of York residents. Making the City Centre a pleasant place to be on a Saturday afternoon/ evening for York residents would be a good start. Groups of Stag Do's and Hen Parties may fill the coffers of the owners of the bar chains but they make the Centre a pretty grim place to be for locals. All the talk of clamping down is great and makes good press but let's see some meaningful action.
Would be a nice change for the Council to start doing things in the interests of York residents. Making the City Centre a pleasant place to be on a Saturday afternoon/ evening for York residents would be a good start. Groups of Stag Do's and Hen Parties may fill the coffers of the owners of the bar chains but they make the Centre a pretty grim place to be for locals. All the talk of clamping down is great and makes good press but let's see some meaningful action. Yorkresident100
  • Score: 20

5:38pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Tom6187 says...

Stop the trebles for singles offers, it's just over the top.
Stop the trebles for singles offers, it's just over the top. Tom6187
  • Score: 10

6:10pm Mon 28 Jul 14

York1234 says...

Get tough on Officers wasting our money too. Stop trips abroad
Get tough on Officers wasting our money too. Stop trips abroad York1234
  • Score: -5

6:46pm Mon 28 Jul 14

rking1977 says...

Have proper drunk tanks like they do in the US and many countries in Europe, privately run if need be. Charge the idiots who end up in them the full cost of the resources they tie up, which would be hundreds of pounds per stay. If they don't pay, they go to jail. Short, sharp financial shock, not just for the racegoers but for all the other morons who ruin the city for the majority. This city's ideal to spearhead a project like this!

This is becoming a real scar on York, a city that should represent history, heritage and culture and pull in a decent crowd but is increasingly becoming synonymous with boozed-up yob culture. These groups surely deter genuine visitors, who would probably spend significantly more per head during their visit, and give their custom to a broader range of local businesses.

I recently hosted my in-laws family from the US. They witnessed York's "vibrant nightlife" and couldn't believe what they were seeing. They were genuinely uncomfortable around it and didn't understand why it was tolerated.

Come to think of it, neither do I. I'm not old - I'm in my 30s - but I'm sick of feeling like I have to avoid my home city every weekend because it's over-run with groups of obnoxious, drunken half-wits. Time to act, before they scare all the other tourists away and we have no choice but to accommodate it.
Have proper drunk tanks like they do in the US and many countries in Europe, privately run if need be. Charge the idiots who end up in them the full cost of the resources they tie up, which would be hundreds of pounds per stay. If they don't pay, they go to jail. Short, sharp financial shock, not just for the racegoers but for all the other morons who ruin the city for the majority. This city's ideal to spearhead a project like this! This is becoming a real scar on York, a city that should represent history, heritage and culture and pull in a decent crowd but is increasingly becoming synonymous with boozed-up yob culture. These groups surely deter genuine visitors, who would probably spend significantly more per head during their visit, and give their custom to a broader range of local businesses. I recently hosted my in-laws family from the US. They witnessed York's "vibrant nightlife" and couldn't believe what they were seeing. They were genuinely uncomfortable around it and didn't understand why it was tolerated. Come to think of it, neither do I. I'm not old - I'm in my 30s - but I'm sick of feeling like I have to avoid my home city every weekend because it's over-run with groups of obnoxious, drunken half-wits. Time to act, before they scare all the other tourists away and we have no choice but to accommodate it. rking1977
  • Score: 20

8:12pm Mon 28 Jul 14

rat scabies says...

That woman in the picture looks like she's half cut ... secret gin drinker maybe?
That woman in the picture looks like she's half cut ... secret gin drinker maybe? rat scabies
  • Score: 0

8:13pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Lamplighter says...

It doesn't matter where people have bought their previous drinks from, supermarkets or otherwise, if they are obviously drunk then they shouldn't be served. I hate that the pub landlords are obsessed with 'preloading'. When I was 18, pub drinks were much more affordable than supermarket drinks - if that hadn't changed, then there would be no need to preload - I certainly never did.
It doesn't matter where people have bought their previous drinks from, supermarkets or otherwise, if they are obviously drunk then they shouldn't be served. I hate that the pub landlords are obsessed with 'preloading'. When I was 18, pub drinks were much more affordable than supermarket drinks - if that hadn't changed, then there would be no need to preload - I certainly never did. Lamplighter
  • Score: 7

8:16pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Lamplighter says...

Also, I don't know why the government and councils are up in arms about this, it's them that relaxed the licensing laws to allow all day and practically all night drinking - what did they expect would happen??
Also, I don't know why the government and councils are up in arms about this, it's them that relaxed the licensing laws to allow all day and practically all night drinking - what did they expect would happen?? Lamplighter
  • Score: 9

8:20pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Miles Davis says...

rking1977 wrote:
Have proper drunk tanks like they do in the US and many countries in Europe, privately run if need be. Charge the idiots who end up in them the full cost of the resources they tie up, which would be hundreds of pounds per stay. If they don't pay, they go to jail. Short, sharp financial shock, not just for the racegoers but for all the other morons who ruin the city for the majority. This city's ideal to spearhead a project like this!

This is becoming a real scar on York, a city that should represent history, heritage and culture and pull in a decent crowd but is increasingly becoming synonymous with boozed-up yob culture. These groups surely deter genuine visitors, who would probably spend significantly more per head during their visit, and give their custom to a broader range of local businesses.

I recently hosted my in-laws family from the US. They witnessed York's "vibrant nightlife" and couldn't believe what they were seeing. They were genuinely uncomfortable around it and didn't understand why it was tolerated.

Come to think of it, neither do I. I'm not old - I'm in my 30s - but I'm sick of feeling like I have to avoid my home city every weekend because it's over-run with groups of obnoxious, drunken half-wits. Time to act, before they scare all the other tourists away and we have no choice but to accommodate it.
Well said!!
[quote][p][bold]rking1977[/bold] wrote: Have proper drunk tanks like they do in the US and many countries in Europe, privately run if need be. Charge the idiots who end up in them the full cost of the resources they tie up, which would be hundreds of pounds per stay. If they don't pay, they go to jail. Short, sharp financial shock, not just for the racegoers but for all the other morons who ruin the city for the majority. This city's ideal to spearhead a project like this! This is becoming a real scar on York, a city that should represent history, heritage and culture and pull in a decent crowd but is increasingly becoming synonymous with boozed-up yob culture. These groups surely deter genuine visitors, who would probably spend significantly more per head during their visit, and give their custom to a broader range of local businesses. I recently hosted my in-laws family from the US. They witnessed York's "vibrant nightlife" and couldn't believe what they were seeing. They were genuinely uncomfortable around it and didn't understand why it was tolerated. Come to think of it, neither do I. I'm not old - I'm in my 30s - but I'm sick of feeling like I have to avoid my home city every weekend because it's over-run with groups of obnoxious, drunken half-wits. Time to act, before they scare all the other tourists away and we have no choice but to accommodate it.[/p][/quote]Well said!! Miles Davis
  • Score: 9

8:25pm Mon 28 Jul 14

nottoooldtocare says...

A number of problems have resulted in the type of behaviour most of us abhor. It isn't just the race meetings, this goes on most weeks all year round and most of the comment-ors know this.

What has happened to self respect? We've all (or most of us) made errors of judgement in the past and got clattered, but you were embarrassed, your friends were furious as they were responsible for ensuring you got home safely (youngsters please note this). as a result, you made every effort to not repeat the same mistakes. People used to take some form of pride in drinking x pints and remaining upright and able to walk home unaided. Now, look at the state they get into, and many do this on purpose, they go out to get into a mess. There is no self respect or respect for others, and no real consequences. As and when they do go to court, they get a paltry fine and months to pay it.
The courts need to step up now and really hit the culprits hard. Pay the fine in full or go down for a week, and then pay the fine. Second offence double the punishment, and third offence, down for a month an so on. money isn't an object if they can get into this condition so hit them hard. Word will soon spread to the stag/hen world, stay sober or suffer, they will go somewhere else that's lower risk. Publicising the crime and sentence and going to prison will give them time to reflect. it will also let friends, neighbours and colleagues know they live/work with pond life. If the Police think they are a danger or a menace they should be lifted and the courts start to get tough, unless they do there is no real deterrent. hitting landlords will not stop the d**k heads.
A number of problems have resulted in the type of behaviour most of us abhor. It isn't just the race meetings, this goes on most weeks all year round and most of the comment-ors know this. What has happened to self respect? We've all (or most of us) made errors of judgement in the past and got clattered, but you were embarrassed, your friends were furious as they were responsible for ensuring you got home safely (youngsters please note this). as a result, you made every effort to not repeat the same mistakes. People used to take some form of pride in drinking x pints and remaining upright and able to walk home unaided. Now, look at the state they get into, and many do this on purpose, they go out to get into a mess. There is no self respect or respect for others, and no real consequences. As and when they do go to court, they get a paltry fine and months to pay it. The courts need to step up now and really hit the culprits hard. Pay the fine in full or go down for a week, and then pay the fine. Second offence double the punishment, and third offence, down for a month an so on. money isn't an object if they can get into this condition so hit them hard. Word will soon spread to the stag/hen world, stay sober or suffer, they will go somewhere else that's lower risk. Publicising the crime and sentence and going to prison will give them time to reflect. it will also let friends, neighbours and colleagues know they live/work with pond life. If the Police think they are a danger or a menace they should be lifted and the courts start to get tough, unless they do there is no real deterrent. hitting landlords will not stop the d**k heads. nottoooldtocare
  • Score: 9

8:44pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Absolutely meaningless and a fig leaf to cover up the councils unwillingness to act until the next outbreak of violence or until people have forgotten abut the latest outbreak.
Absolutely meaningless and a fig leaf to cover up the councils unwillingness to act until the next outbreak of violence or until people have forgotten abut the latest outbreak. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 3

8:46pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

chrisatyork wrote:
Wow minus 5 in 15 mins think the score muppet is up early
No you told people the ugly truth which they don't want to hear.
[quote][p][bold]chrisatyork[/bold] wrote: Wow minus 5 in 15 mins think the score muppet is up early[/p][/quote]No you told people the ugly truth which they don't want to hear. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -1

9:15pm Mon 28 Jul 14

tinkerbell-1000 says...

Lots of good comments. Something does need to be done. As a parent I worry about my children going into york to enjoy s night with friends, that at some point they will be a victim of mindless drunken violence as the 18 year old at weekend.
Lots of good comments. Something does need to be done. As a parent I worry about my children going into york to enjoy s night with friends, that at some point they will be a victim of mindless drunken violence as the 18 year old at weekend. tinkerbell-1000
  • Score: 6

9:53pm Mon 28 Jul 14

samana says...

So once more the "council" does its once a year PR stunt and announces that there "could" sanctions against the violent drunks that infest the city centre 7 nights a week.
What a load of Socialist LIES.
No council of any political persuasion will interfere with the Drunks and those that supply them with their DRUGS cheap..
Take on Tesco and Morrisons and Sainsburys and M&S and all the other cheap alcohol outlets--NO WAY!!.
Just more pretence and easily discernible LIES.
Interfere in "free trade"--not bloody likely.
Kick the damaged in Society when they are down--that's what the council does.
As for the Police--they are hiding in back streets issuing laughable statements about maintaining law and order.
Pshaw!!.
So once more the "council" does its once a year PR stunt and announces that there "could" sanctions against the violent drunks that infest the city centre 7 nights a week. What a load of Socialist LIES. No council of any political persuasion will interfere with the Drunks and those that supply them with their DRUGS cheap.. Take on Tesco and Morrisons and Sainsburys and M&S and all the other cheap alcohol outlets--NO WAY!!. Just more pretence and easily discernible LIES. Interfere in "free trade"--not bloody likely. Kick the damaged in Society when they are down--that's what the council does. As for the Police--they are hiding in back streets issuing laughable statements about maintaining law and order. Pshaw!!. samana
  • Score: 0

10:28pm Mon 28 Jul 14

krites says...

Yorkresident100 is absolutely right to say that "Groups of Stag Do's and Hen Parties may fill the coffers of the owners of the bar chains but they make the Centre a pretty grim place to be for locals". Until our so-called representatives decide that it's time for them to look after the interests of York council-tax payers first and foremost the problem of a grim, hostile, and sometimes frightening city centre every weekend wiol continue.
Yorkresident100 is absolutely right to say that "Groups of Stag Do's and Hen Parties may fill the coffers of the owners of the bar chains but they make the Centre a pretty grim place to be for locals". Until our so-called representatives decide that it's time for them to look after the interests of York council-tax payers first and foremost the problem of a grim, hostile, and sometimes frightening city centre every weekend wiol continue. krites
  • Score: 7

10:32pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Stralzi says...

Too little, and nearly too late. Come on York Council is that the best you can do? Seriously is that it!!?? People of York let down by timid lambs
Too little, and nearly too late. Come on York Council is that the best you can do? Seriously is that it!!?? People of York let down by timid lambs Stralzi
  • Score: 7

10:58pm Mon 28 Jul 14

bolero says...

So it looks as if our revered council are now going to spend their time trying to clean up their own mess. What with the infamous nationwide joke of Lendal bridge and the question of refunding fines wrongfully imposed and the results of their free and easy licence granting against all advice offered by the police. Which are worst, the drunks or the dafties?
So it looks as if our revered council are now going to spend their time trying to clean up their own mess. What with the infamous nationwide joke of Lendal bridge and the question of refunding fines wrongfully imposed and the results of their free and easy licence granting against all advice offered by the police. Which are worst, the drunks or the dafties? bolero
  • Score: 5

11:29pm Mon 28 Jul 14

Alfredd-g says...

Good, I don't like racegoers and stag / hen party people. They keep decent people away from what is a pretty pleasant city. They don't generally come from here and don't belong here. Goodness only knows what American and Japanese tourists think about them and whilst they similarly don't belong here, I am sure that they have a lot more dosh to spend than these rediculous peasants in their cheap suits, cheap dresses and high heeled shoes. Close down the racecourse please and replace it with a York Arena to rival the O2, or Liverpool Ecco. People go to the above venues to see the acts, stay in hotels nearby, spend loads of money and then go home. Surprisingly, not a roudy business from what I have experienced and possibly more cultured depending of course on the act.
Good, I don't like racegoers and stag / hen party people. They keep decent people away from what is a pretty pleasant city. They don't generally come from here and don't belong here. Goodness only knows what American and Japanese tourists think about them and whilst they similarly don't belong here, I am sure that they have a lot more dosh to spend than these rediculous peasants in their cheap suits, cheap dresses and high heeled shoes. Close down the racecourse please and replace it with a York Arena to rival the O2, or Liverpool Ecco. People go to the above venues to see the acts, stay in hotels nearby, spend loads of money and then go home. Surprisingly, not a roudy business from what I have experienced and possibly more cultured depending of course on the act. Alfredd-g
  • Score: 5

11:54pm Mon 28 Jul 14

You're Fired says...

Ban alcohol. Get rid of the racecourse and make it illegal to walk round in a group of more than 4 people.
Ban alcohol. Get rid of the racecourse and make it illegal to walk round in a group of more than 4 people. You're Fired
  • Score: -2

4:19am Tue 29 Jul 14

York1900 says...

When I first went in to a pub some 45+ years ago there where notices all the bars stating that it was illegal to serve alcohol to anyone under 18 or who was drunk
But these notices have gone in most pubs now
it is time that Landlords and other retailers of alcohol got tough and applied the law instead of just looking at it as lost profits by applying the law
When I first went in to a pub some 45+ years ago there where notices all the bars stating that it was illegal to serve alcohol to anyone under 18 or who was drunk But these notices have gone in most pubs now it is time that Landlords and other retailers of alcohol got tough and applied the law instead of just looking at it as lost profits by applying the law York1900
  • Score: 3

7:03am Tue 29 Jul 14

deckhanddave says...

Big Brother people, Big Brother! People get drunk from choice. Landlords don't hold them down and pour it down their throats. They can have some control but not much really. Now the council want to haul them in and maybe take their livelihood away? Landlords be warned, don't make an enemy of a councillor or you'll lose your job and possibly home.
Big Brother people, Big Brother! People get drunk from choice. Landlords don't hold them down and pour it down their throats. They can have some control but not much really. Now the council want to haul them in and maybe take their livelihood away? Landlords be warned, don't make an enemy of a councillor or you'll lose your job and possibly home. deckhanddave
  • Score: -9

9:42am Tue 29 Jul 14

Jack Ham says...

A well times FOI shows just how little regard CYC have for the impact of the Racecourse on residents safety.

https://www.whatdoth
eyknow.com/request/s
ag_minutes#incoming-
543222

Minutes of their safety group. Nothing about fall out from race meetings.

Hopeless.
A well times FOI shows just how little regard CYC have for the impact of the Racecourse on residents safety. https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/s ag_minutes#incoming- 543222 Minutes of their safety group. Nothing about fall out from race meetings. Hopeless. Jack Ham
  • Score: 3

12:55pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Y.I.P. says...

Dr Brian wrote:
I do hope they are sending warnings to that oaf James Brennan at York Racecourse - after all they are major contributors to drunken behaviour in York on Race Days
I will drink to that(but it is true York Races should take some financial responsibility for the drunks in the city centre)
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: I do hope they are sending warnings to that oaf James Brennan at York Racecourse - after all they are major contributors to drunken behaviour in York on Race Days[/p][/quote]I will drink to that(but it is true York Races should take some financial responsibility for the drunks in the city centre) Y.I.P.
  • Score: 3

1:41pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

asd wrote:
acomblass wrote:
And who brought in 24 hour drinking - Labour of course! They were warned at the time about the consequences. Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted!
What a load of B*llocks, has always been fighting caused from drinks and it was even worse because people had ram it down there throats before last orders a 11pm. You may want to think about your wonderful right wing friends taxing beer so heavily with the 20% vat in pubs but, not tacking the cheap drinks from supermarkets. The fact is this, it is not a political problem it is a social problem, look at English drinkers at Ibiza etc they do all sorts but, you don't see many Italians over here causing fights because they are drunk !
Nor Spanish people either...
[quote][p][bold]asd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: And who brought in 24 hour drinking - Labour of course! They were warned at the time about the consequences. Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted![/p][/quote]What a load of B*llocks, has always been fighting caused from drinks and it was even worse because people had ram it down there throats before last orders a 11pm. You may want to think about your wonderful right wing friends taxing beer so heavily with the 20% vat in pubs but, not tacking the cheap drinks from supermarkets. The fact is this, it is not a political problem it is a social problem, look at English drinkers at Ibiza etc they do all sorts but, you don't see many Italians over here causing fights because they are drunk ![/p][/quote]Nor Spanish people either... Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: 2

4:56pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Pinza-C55 says...

If Popworld was closed it would be like a Hex being lifted from Micklegate/George Hudson Street on a Saturday night. The place is like the Jeremy Kyle show with drinks and is a major source of disruption. They erect crash barriers on the pavement which I strongly suspect they have no permission to do.
If Popworld was closed it would be like a Hex being lifted from Micklegate/George Hudson Street on a Saturday night. The place is like the Jeremy Kyle show with drinks and is a major source of disruption. They erect crash barriers on the pavement which I strongly suspect they have no permission to do. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 4

4:59pm Tue 29 Jul 14

ndevr says...

Dr Brian wrote:
I do hope they are sending warnings to that oaf James Brennan at York Racecourse - after all they are major contributors to drunken behaviour in York on Race Days
The problem is that the bars are serviced by an external subcontractor based in Leeds, the warnings should be sent to the directors of this company (I wonder if any of them go anywhere near the racecourse on a race day).
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: I do hope they are sending warnings to that oaf James Brennan at York Racecourse - after all they are major contributors to drunken behaviour in York on Race Days[/p][/quote]The problem is that the bars are serviced by an external subcontractor based in Leeds, the warnings should be sent to the directors of this company (I wonder if any of them go anywhere near the racecourse on a race day). ndevr
  • Score: 1

6:26pm Tue 29 Jul 14

york central says...

It's ok pointing the finger at the council. Seems typical form on here .But doesn't the licensing officer have control over recurring problems.
We seem to be able to bring in street drinking bans.
It also appears fact based evidence gets deleted on here, maybe because your not allowed to be critical of Police action.
It's ok to comment as long as the establishment allow it.

I'm hoping the Press have more stories like pedestrians collide with cars. Because they don't have much idea of objective journalism.
It's ok pointing the finger at the council. Seems typical form on here .But doesn't the licensing officer have control over recurring problems. We seem to be able to bring in street drinking bans. It also appears fact based evidence gets deleted on here, maybe because your not allowed to be critical of Police action. It's ok to comment as long as the establishment allow it. I'm hoping the Press have more stories like pedestrians collide with cars. Because they don't have much idea of objective journalism. york central
  • Score: -2

4:26pm Wed 30 Jul 14

thinkingoutsidethebox says...

whilst I deplore the fact that A&E were under such dreadful pressure as a result of excessive drinking by a mindless minority I do wonder what measures can be enforced and upheld. I also wonder about York's tourism - largely based on hen and stag do participants and how businesses would be hit financially if York lost it's jolly weekend role.
For the drunks - they choose to get p*ssed and shouldn't receive care and attention via the NHS. Get some holding places and lock 'em up like sheep in their pens until they are sober enough to take care of themselves.
whilst I deplore the fact that A&E were under such dreadful pressure as a result of excessive drinking by a mindless minority I do wonder what measures can be enforced and upheld. I also wonder about York's tourism - largely based on hen and stag do participants and how businesses would be hit financially if York lost it's jolly weekend role. For the drunks - they choose to get p*ssed and shouldn't receive care and attention via the NHS. Get some holding places and lock 'em up like sheep in their pens until they are sober enough to take care of themselves. thinkingoutsidethebox
  • Score: 2

1:27pm Sun 3 Aug 14

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
tad late (Again) for the council to try and do something, of course half heatedly. Ref to races and I guess Football, drinking is done (Heavily) by some, this brings it on the many that do not drink or drink responsibly. Its a sure pity that we dont have a holding area, pref outdoors, what ever the weather. Personally I believe its all those involved, the Drunk, the sellers (Pub, Club, Shops, Supermarkets etc etc. It might also help in those that like to try and swim when intoxicated. It does seem a British thing. as for councilors, Strange the person with the responsibility for gambling and licensing only says something after everyone else has shouted .
"Strange the person with the responsibility for gambling and licensing only says something after everyone else has shouted ."
Not really as this is unfortunately the "trend" ..............
There ARE some good Labour Councilors but they seldom get executive responsibilitie, and some even get deselected ( presumably for "rocking the boat" or questioning their Leader!)
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: tad late (Again) for the council to try and do something, of course half heatedly. Ref to races and I guess Football, drinking is done (Heavily) by some, this brings it on the many that do not drink or drink responsibly. Its a sure pity that we dont have a holding area, pref outdoors, what ever the weather. Personally I believe its all those involved, the Drunk, the sellers (Pub, Club, Shops, Supermarkets etc etc. It might also help in those that like to try and swim when intoxicated. It does seem a British thing. as for councilors, Strange the person with the responsibility for gambling and licensing only says something after everyone else has shouted .[/p][/quote]"Strange the person with the responsibility for gambling and licensing only says something after everyone else has shouted ." Not really as this is unfortunately the "trend" .............. There ARE some good Labour Councilors but they seldom get executive responsibilitie, and some even get deselected ( presumably for "rocking the boat" or questioning their Leader!) Older Sometimes Wiser
  • Score: 1

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