Big plans for attracting investment in York

Katie Stewart, head of economic development at the council, who has also been appointed as interim chief executive of SCY

Katie Stewart, head of economic development at the council, who has also been appointed as interim chief executive of SCY

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Business editor Laura Knowlson looks at the future of SCY (formerly Science City York).

VOTES have been cast in favour of SCY falling under full council ownership as part of a shake-up of how York is marketed as a city.

The board of SCY (formerly Science City York) voted on proposals by City of York Council to take over the organisation in line with plans to create a new company to drive investment and economic growth.

The council's cabinet approved the proposals for the company which will incorporate services currently offered by Visit York and the authority's business development and marketing teams, after a report by council officers highlighted shortfalls in how the city attracted inward investment.

Katie Stewart, head of economic development at the council, who has also been appointed as interim chief executive of SCY, said: "One of the things we have recognised is although we are very good at responding to inward investment inquiries and companies that are looking at York, like we did with Hiscox, we are not as efficient at actively getting leads and selling proactively what we are offering.

"What has led us to this decision to set up the new company is recognition that we need to develop a more proactive sales force that can benefit from expertise within our team at the council and expertise across the city in other guises.

"The key thing with the new company will be really stepping up our investment targets. We want to be selling a more consistent message in what York has to offer.

"Where we were losing track before was having too many organisations doing similar things, and potentially not getting bang for our pound with services duplicating information, and in some cases selling conflicting messages.

"Whether you are a business, resident, student or visitor there wasn't much value from the services being offered before.

"We will be working to target them much more efficiently and make the messages clearer. Increasingly marketing of cities is done from a single point of contact, a more professional team providing a professional and sleek offering."

The business plan for the new company is still being developed and will be presented to the council's cabinet in October.

Work is being done behind the scenes to ensure that if approved in October the new company will be ready to be launched straight away.

It terms of its aims, Mrs Stewart said the team within the new company will be working towards targeted levels of investment, lead conversions, and targeted visitor numbers.

She said: "We'll be setting very specific targets so we can measure performance and hold ourselves accountable for the spend.

"We are looking at targets made by other cities that use this model, and where we fit into that. We want to be challenging but at the same time realistic.

"We are looking at the growth areas to target, where York is positioning itself as a leader. We have identified two areas in biotechnology and agritechnology, as well as rail and insurance and professional services. In these areas the city has great opportunity to go out and look for investment.

"We have a database of companies across the world looking to expand. We know who they are but we need the team of expertise to go out and sell York to them."

Mrs Stewart said the company won't just be focussing on attracting inward investment, adding: "We recognise that some of the biggest growth will come from businesses already in the city looking to expand.

"A lot of the work of the new company will be in signposting support, help and funding.

"We won't have a massive team of business advisors but we will have a team who can work with businesses to put them in touch with the right people or provide the right support where it is needed.

"Its very much a city wide initiative. Although the company will be owned by the council it will involve the whole city to make sure we are at the top of our game to compete against other cities for investment."

It has not yet been decided if, once the council takes ownership of SCY, that too will become part of the new company.

SCY was founded in 1998 in a bid to develop York’s economy in the fields of science and technology, making use of opportunities to create jobs and wealth.

Mrs Stewart said: "There was always an interest that SCY and the new company would work collaboratively together.

"At this stage we are taking the next step in trying to align SCY with the new company we are creating.

"The question that remains is whether SCY and the new entity remain separate or are merged. What we know as a certainty is that we appreciate the value of what SCY does.

"We will be working collaboratively with the SCY board and what they expect. We remain committed to providing the services they see as priorities.

"What we would hope to do is maintain the sector chairs and their leading roles within SCY.

"We haven't made full decisions on the board, however whatever happens once the new company is up and running, whether SCY is merged or remains separate we will make sure there is a very strong private sector leadership within SCY.

"One of the key messages we want to get out is although the council is looking to take full ownership the SCY brand, the ambitions of SCY will remain and we want to share that the brand with both the University of York and York St John who have both been key players in building that brand and maintaining it."

The board of the new company is also yet to be decided however Jane Lady Gibson, current chairwoman of Visit York, has appointed as chairwoman.

Mrs Stewart said: "We are taking legal advice on how roles will be appointed. The council will review the business plan and we very much want Jane Lady Gibson to be able to set the guidelines for how these positions are decided. Private sector will be strongly represented."

 

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10:08am Mon 21 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Isn't SCY just a front for the council's 'social innovation/enterpris
e' agenda?

Does it really intend to work with pure private sector companies?

Having read tweets (on twitter) by SCY staff and its Innovate account the emphasis/bias is predominantly on social innovation, including not for profit, mutuals, community interest companies, and therefore has an anti-capitalist objective.

Those involved with it, including many of the followers (on Twitter) are from the cultural political charitable elite clique that operates in York, which is left wing.

It's just another way of using tax-payer funding for a politicised promotional talking shop.
Isn't SCY just a front for the council's 'social innovation/enterpris e' agenda? Does it really intend to work with pure private sector companies? Having read tweets (on twitter) by SCY staff and its Innovate account the emphasis/bias is predominantly on social innovation, including not for profit, mutuals, community interest companies, and therefore has an anti-capitalist objective. Those involved with it, including many of the followers (on Twitter) are from the cultural political charitable elite clique that operates in York, which is left wing. It's just another way of using tax-payer funding for a politicised promotional talking shop. Badgers Drift
  • Score: 13

12:51pm Mon 21 Jul 14

CRWPROJ says...

Although I disagree with the way a 'Company' such as this comes into existance. That is, using community charge and business rates to provide money for the individuals involved to 'play' at business men and women. I would make a positive suggestion which is that every registered business in the york area should be invited to be involved and attend all meetings (quarterly, annual?) if they so wish. This should range from the self employed to Senior manager at Nestle. Every shop, Every Takeaway. Every B&B. Absolutely No Exceptions. These people, who have their livlihoods at risk, should be able to vote as a Cooperative, choose the representatives, choose the direction of York business (their business). Some of these individuals may be paying twice in the form of community charge and business rates into the coffers of the council.
I do not think it is a good idea for York to try and make an industry out of education. The bottom line here is that it is all based on credit (student loans). And we all know where that got the housing market. Tourism, one of the lowest 'mode average' paid industries.
Although I disagree with the way a 'Company' such as this comes into existance. That is, using community charge and business rates to provide money for the individuals involved to 'play' at business men and women. I would make a positive suggestion which is that every registered business in the york area should be invited to be involved and attend all meetings (quarterly, annual?) if they so wish. This should range from the self employed to Senior manager at Nestle. Every shop, Every Takeaway. Every B&B. Absolutely No Exceptions. These people, who have their livlihoods at risk, should be able to vote as a Cooperative, choose the representatives, choose the direction of York business (their business). Some of these individuals may be paying twice in the form of community charge and business rates into the coffers of the council. I do not think it is a good idea for York to try and make an industry out of education. The bottom line here is that it is all based on credit (student loans). And we all know where that got the housing market. Tourism, one of the lowest 'mode average' paid industries. CRWPROJ
  • Score: -3

1:46pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

CRWPROJ wrote:
Although I disagree with the way a 'Company' such as this comes into existance. That is, using community charge and business rates to provide money for the individuals involved to 'play' at business men and women. I would make a positive suggestion which is that every registered business in the york area should be invited to be involved and attend all meetings (quarterly, annual?) if they so wish. This should range from the self employed to Senior manager at Nestle. Every shop, Every Takeaway. Every B&B. Absolutely No Exceptions. These people, who have their livlihoods at risk, should be able to vote as a Cooperative, choose the representatives, choose the direction of York business (their business). Some of these individuals may be paying twice in the form of community charge and business rates into the coffers of the council. I do not think it is a good idea for York to try and make an industry out of education. The bottom line here is that it is all based on credit (student loans). And we all know where that got the housing market. Tourism, one of the lowest 'mode average' paid industries.
This is a political vehicle disguised as an assist to all business.

SCY's main interest is pushing social enterprise, which is anti-capitalist.

It's jobs for the followers of this left wing doctrine. Just look at the twitter follows of people working for SCY, to see what this is all about...?!!!!
[quote][p][bold]CRWPROJ[/bold] wrote: Although I disagree with the way a 'Company' such as this comes into existance. That is, using community charge and business rates to provide money for the individuals involved to 'play' at business men and women. I would make a positive suggestion which is that every registered business in the york area should be invited to be involved and attend all meetings (quarterly, annual?) if they so wish. This should range from the self employed to Senior manager at Nestle. Every shop, Every Takeaway. Every B&B. Absolutely No Exceptions. These people, who have their livlihoods at risk, should be able to vote as a Cooperative, choose the representatives, choose the direction of York business (their business). Some of these individuals may be paying twice in the form of community charge and business rates into the coffers of the council. I do not think it is a good idea for York to try and make an industry out of education. The bottom line here is that it is all based on credit (student loans). And we all know where that got the housing market. Tourism, one of the lowest 'mode average' paid industries.[/p][/quote]This is a political vehicle disguised as an assist to all business. SCY's main interest is pushing social enterprise, which is anti-capitalist. It's jobs for the followers of this left wing doctrine. Just look at the twitter follows of people working for SCY, to see what this is all about...?!!!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 5

4:37pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Where are all the comments from supporters of SCY and the council?

Conspicuous by their absence!

Seems obvious that they are unable to dispute my assertions, and afraid to try, because they know the truth - SCY has been exposed forwhat it is really all about - a vehicle for disruptive social innovation using digital media to spread politicised propaganda!
Where are all the comments from supporters of SCY and the council? Conspicuous by their absence! Seems obvious that they are unable to dispute my assertions, and afraid to try, because they know the truth - SCY has been exposed forwhat it is really all about - a vehicle for disruptive social innovation using digital media to spread politicised propaganda! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Incidentally, what business experience does Katie Stewart have?

According to her LinkedIn profile, she spent 9yrs at University (1998-2007) getting three degrees in Political Science, then 4yrs at Leeds City Region Secretariat, before joining CYC in September 2011.

So no private sector business experience whatsoever, just lots of academic qualifications in politcal science?!!!!
Incidentally, what business experience does Katie Stewart have? According to her LinkedIn profile, she spent 9yrs at University (1998-2007) getting three degrees in Political Science, then 4yrs at Leeds City Region Secretariat, before joining CYC in September 2011. So no private sector business experience whatsoever, just lots of academic qualifications in politcal science?!!!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 5

6:47pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Paul.

emphasis/bias is predominantly on social innovation, including not for profit, mutuals, community interest companies, and therefore has an anti-capitalist objective.

Ever the McCarthyite.
If something is something, it doesn't make it the anti-otherthing. What's so hard to understand about that?
When a pub opens is it trying to shut down coffee houses? No.
When I eat a salad am I trying to shut down the pie industry? No.

This consistent and running fundamental flaw in your reasoning is all that anyone needs to dismiss your wild claims. More than enough.

Where are all the comments from supporters of SCY and the council?

Well I'm sure you won't be able resist accusing me of being one such supporter, as is your dichotomous nature. Most people are unable to put forward a different view to you without being declared something they're not. Go for it, it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong.

Seems obvious that they are unable to dispute my assertions, and afraid to try, because they know the truth -

Maybe.
Maybe they're bored of your dogma.
Maybe they think you're unhinged and realise the futility of engaging that.
Paul. [quote]emphasis/bias is predominantly on social innovation, including not for profit, mutuals, community interest companies, and therefore has an anti-capitalist objective.[/quote] Ever the McCarthyite. If something is something, it doesn't make it the anti-otherthing. What's so hard to understand about that? When a pub opens is it trying to shut down coffee houses? No. When I eat a salad am I trying to shut down the pie industry? No. This consistent and running fundamental flaw in your reasoning is all that anyone needs to dismiss your wild claims. More than enough. [quote]Where are all the comments from supporters of SCY and the council?[/quote] Well I'm sure you won't be able resist accusing me of being one such supporter, as is your dichotomous nature. Most people are unable to put forward a different view to you without being declared something they're not. Go for it, it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong. [quote]Seems obvious that they are unable to dispute my assertions, and afraid to try, because they know the truth -[/quote] Maybe. Maybe they're bored of your dogma. Maybe they think you're unhinged and realise the futility of engaging that. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 0

6:50pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

That said, this article is so badly recast from the over the top press release it's almost a leaked A level exam.
Pure gobbledegook. Let's touch base and kick the tyres on it, yeah?
That said, this article is so badly recast from the over the top press release it's almost a leaked A level exam. Pure gobbledegook. Let's touch base and kick the tyres on it, yeah? Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -5

10:44pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
That said, this article is so badly recast from the over the top press release it's almost a leaked A level exam.
Pure gobbledegook. Let's touch base and kick the tyres on it, yeah?
Doesn't that tell you something, Buzzz?

It's typical of the spiel/jargon used on the SCY Innovate, GenIUSYork twitter feeds; waffle which tells you nothing - just loads of buzzwords (no offence), how the new systems of democratic engagement and creative social innovation will revolutionise everythin,g everywhere for everyone?!!!
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: That said, this article is so badly recast from the over the top press release it's almost a leaked A level exam. Pure gobbledegook. Let's touch base and kick the tyres on it, yeah?[/p][/quote]Doesn't that tell you something, Buzzz? It's typical of the spiel/jargon used on the SCY Innovate, GenIUSYork twitter feeds; waffle which tells you nothing - just loads of buzzwords (no offence), how the new systems of democratic engagement and creative social innovation will revolutionise everythin,g everywhere for everyone?!!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 4

10:56pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Paul.

emphasis/bias is predominantly on social innovation, including not for profit, mutuals, community interest companies, and therefore has an anti-capitalist objective.

Ever the McCarthyite.
If something is something, it doesn't make it the anti-otherthing. What's so hard to understand about that?
When a pub opens is it trying to shut down coffee houses? No.
When I eat a salad am I trying to shut down the pie industry? No.

This consistent and running fundamental flaw in your reasoning is all that anyone needs to dismiss your wild claims. More than enough.

Where are all the comments from supporters of SCY and the council?

Well I'm sure you won't be able resist accusing me of being one such supporter, as is your dichotomous nature. Most people are unable to put forward a different view to you without being declared something they're not. Go for it, it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong.

Seems obvious that they are unable to dispute my assertions, and afraid to try, because they know the truth -

Maybe.
Maybe they're bored of your dogma.
Maybe they think you're unhinged and realise the futility of engaging that.
The clue is 'NOT FOR PROFIT' = anti-capitalism!

SCY is supposed to be for 'business', but, the overwhelming bias is for businesses which are not for profit.

It's socialism, marxism, communism, fabianism, ricardianism, de-leonism, stalinism, etc etc.

Like I said, just look at those involved - they are mostly left wing ideologists, from the cultural political charitable elitist clique that seeks to control York.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Paul. [quote]emphasis/bias is predominantly on social innovation, including not for profit, mutuals, community interest companies, and therefore has an anti-capitalist objective.[/quote] Ever the McCarthyite. If something is something, it doesn't make it the anti-otherthing. What's so hard to understand about that? When a pub opens is it trying to shut down coffee houses? No. When I eat a salad am I trying to shut down the pie industry? No. This consistent and running fundamental flaw in your reasoning is all that anyone needs to dismiss your wild claims. More than enough. [quote]Where are all the comments from supporters of SCY and the council?[/quote] Well I'm sure you won't be able resist accusing me of being one such supporter, as is your dichotomous nature. Most people are unable to put forward a different view to you without being declared something they're not. Go for it, it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong. [quote]Seems obvious that they are unable to dispute my assertions, and afraid to try, because they know the truth -[/quote] Maybe. Maybe they're bored of your dogma. Maybe they think you're unhinged and realise the futility of engaging that.[/p][/quote]The clue is 'NOT FOR PROFIT' = anti-capitalism! SCY is supposed to be for 'business', but, the overwhelming bias is for businesses which are not for profit. It's socialism, marxism, communism, fabianism, ricardianism, de-leonism, stalinism, etc etc. Like I said, just look at those involved - they are mostly left wing ideologists, from the cultural political charitable elitist clique that seeks to control York. Badgers Drift
  • Score: 1

12:13am Tue 22 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

What is so special about Katie Stewart?

The council obviously think she's got something, as they have put her through Common Purpose Matrix leadership 'training' in 2012, at a cost of £4,500. Training which uses NLP (neuro linguitic programming - brainwashing) to change views on society?!!!

What is she selling?

Whatever it is, I'm certainly not buying it!
What is so special about Katie Stewart? The council obviously think she's got something, as they have put her through Common Purpose Matrix leadership 'training' in 2012, at a cost of £4,500. Training which uses NLP (neuro linguitic programming - brainwashing) to change views on society?!!! What is she selling? Whatever it is, I'm certainly not buying it! Badgers Drift
  • Score: 2

9:44am Tue 22 Jul 14

nickeggleton says...

I have no idea why I feel compelled to comment. I think it’s because this is the kind of story / BS that really irritates me.

I know a lot of the personalities involved, I understand the motivations. What I don’t get is the lack of straightness.

Also, because I tried for years to get CYC to see the brand York from a more overarching point of view than tourism, only to be waffled at about needing to do perception research (that they are still talking about doing).

4 years ago I even pitched for the job to lead ‘stakeholders’ in a merry dance to a brief that went to a ‘destination branding’ firm in Brighton, and went nowhere because they were rubbish.

The main reason is that people are in roles they are not qualified to do, nor have the power or budget to implement.


But let’s get back on track.

CYC have contributed to SCY and VisitYork for years. The tried to get meaningful service for the tax payer contributions but failed a) to set workable targets for VisitYork or b) to get any quantifiable targets for SCY.

A number of people have been challenging CYC on SCY ‘Service Level Agreements’ since it was announced they’d get £330,000 over the last 2 years. Gwen Swinburn chief amongst them, has called on the leadership of CYC to produce something, but to no avail. Now that fundng has finished, they’ve no income to run the show, nor pay the salaries – so rather than make the failed organisation look to redundancies they’re going to create a new one. With no funding (See libraries for details)

The reason simply is as Badger states, they are meaningless job saving strategies.

I don’t agree that Not for profit = anti-capitalism. I believe that capitalism has a purpose, which is to show a sustainable return on investment, and that sometimes a social return is valid.

What I do agree with though is that setting no objectives, capturing no results and playing at inclusion with a minority of vested interests is not good use of public funds.

But now I’m being political.

So let’s examine some detail in this ‘report’ (CYC press release).

"Big Plans for attracting investment'… There are no plans for investment as stated below other than a forced takeover of SCY and the expansion of the role of VisitYork and cutting of jobs at CYC.

'Votes have been cast'… sounds like a public and democratic decision, but it wasn’t. It was a board decision.

'the board of SCY voted on proposals from CYC to take over'… Asks who owned the shares and why are they in favour. What % of ‘the company’ does CYC own. Who owns the rest? Where is their income from and what is it spent on?

'new company to drive investment and economic growth'… Inward Investment was until very recently a chief operations unit (York, England!) of the council. So they are admitting they’re no good at it. But want to take it over.

‘The council's Cabinet approved proposals to incorporate VY services’… but have the owners of VisitYork or do CYC already ‘own’ that? As far as I know the Members haven’t agreed. But then CYC have spent years seeding the board with puppets, and now Gillian has gone they’re powerless to resist.

In the first three paragraphs (the £67,000 p.a. salaried employee of the City) Katie Stewart talks about proactivity and professionalism. She’s right of course.

But by the fourth paragraph of her press release when she talks about losing track it is she that loses track. This was a story about the future / takeover of SCY by CYC, but she is talking about a new company to replace VisitYok that is responsible for Inward Investment.

She says there are conflicting messages, but she’s conflicted. She’s the Interim CEO of SCY, talking about developing a new company. With a business plan still to be ‘presented to Cabinet’.

‘Whether you are a business, resident, student or visitor there wasn't much value from the services being offered before’, says Katie, decrying the much vaunted work of others, including the York Economic Partnership, VisitYork and every other department of the council.

The drivel continues with, ‘It has not been decided if, once the council takes ownership of SCY, that too will become part of the new company'… ‘always an interest SCY and NewCo would work collaboratively’
‘SCY aligned with NewCo’…

Katie carries on with the rambling.

We appreciate the value of what SCY does'?

‘We will be working collaboratively with the SCY board and what they expect. We remain committed to providing the services they see as priorities.’

‘We haven't made full decisions on the board, however whatever happens once the new company is up and running, whether SCY is merged or remains separate we will make sure there is a very strong private sector leadership within SCY.’

‘One of the key messages we want to get out is although the council is looking to take full ownership the SCY brand, the ambitions of SCY will remain and we want to share that the brand with both the University of York and York St John who have both been key players in building that brand and maintaining it’

And yet the purpose of this organisation is to send clearer messages. Laugh Out Loud.

Katie didn’t write this drivel. I suspect someone in Corporate Communications with a brief from the leadership put words in her mouth after all she’s a highly paid, highly valued member of CYC.

It is absolutely the perfect example of why CYC shouldn’t touch VisitYork. There is an organisation in the private sector that has delivered record success. Fiddle with it at your peril.
I have no idea why I feel compelled to comment. I think it’s because this is the kind of story / BS that really irritates me. I know a lot of the personalities involved, I understand the motivations. What I don’t get is the lack of straightness. Also, because I tried for years to get CYC to see the brand York from a more overarching point of view than tourism, only to be waffled at about needing to do perception research (that they are still talking about doing). 4 years ago I even pitched for the job to lead ‘stakeholders’ in a merry dance to a brief that went to a ‘destination branding’ firm in Brighton, and went nowhere because they were rubbish. The main reason is that people are in roles they are not qualified to do, nor have the power or budget to implement. But let’s get back on track. CYC have contributed to SCY and VisitYork for years. The tried to get meaningful service for the tax payer contributions but failed a) to set workable targets for VisitYork or b) to get any quantifiable targets for SCY. A number of people have been challenging CYC on SCY ‘Service Level Agreements’ since it was announced they’d get £330,000 over the last 2 years. Gwen Swinburn chief amongst them, has called on the leadership of CYC to produce something, but to no avail. Now that fundng has finished, they’ve no income to run the show, nor pay the salaries – so rather than make the failed organisation look to redundancies they’re going to create a new one. With no funding (See libraries for details) The reason simply is as Badger states, they are meaningless job saving strategies. I don’t agree that Not for profit = anti-capitalism. I believe that capitalism has a purpose, which is to show a sustainable return on investment, and that sometimes a social return is valid. What I do agree with though is that setting no objectives, capturing no results and playing at inclusion with a minority of vested interests is not good use of public funds. But now I’m being political. So let’s examine some detail in this ‘report’ (CYC press release). "Big Plans for attracting investment'… There are no plans for investment as stated below other than a forced takeover of SCY and the expansion of the role of VisitYork and cutting of jobs at CYC. 'Votes have been cast'… sounds like a public and democratic decision, but it wasn’t. It was a board decision. 'the board of SCY voted on proposals from CYC to take over'… Asks who owned the shares and why are they in favour. What % of ‘the company’ does CYC own. Who owns the rest? Where is their income from and what is it spent on? 'new company to drive investment and economic growth'… Inward Investment was until very recently a chief operations unit (York, England!) of the council. So they are admitting they’re no good at it. But want to take it over. ‘The council's Cabinet approved proposals to incorporate VY services’… but have the owners of VisitYork or do CYC already ‘own’ that? As far as I know the Members haven’t agreed. But then CYC have spent years seeding the board with puppets, and now Gillian has gone they’re powerless to resist. In the first three paragraphs (the £67,000 p.a. salaried employee of the City) Katie Stewart talks about proactivity and professionalism. She’s right of course. But by the fourth paragraph of her press release when she talks about losing track it is she that loses track. This was a story about the future / takeover of SCY by CYC, but she is talking about a new company to replace VisitYok that is responsible for Inward Investment. She says there are conflicting messages, but she’s conflicted. She’s the Interim CEO of SCY, talking about developing a new company. With a business plan still to be ‘presented to Cabinet’. ‘Whether you are a business, resident, student or visitor there wasn't much value from the services being offered before’, says Katie, decrying the much vaunted work of others, including the York Economic Partnership, VisitYork and every other department of the council. The drivel continues with, ‘It has not been decided if, once the council takes ownership of SCY, that too will become part of the new company'… ‘always an interest SCY and NewCo would work collaboratively’ ‘SCY aligned with NewCo’… Katie carries on with the rambling. We appreciate the value of what [the organisation I am interim Chief Executive of] SCY does'? ‘We will be working collaboratively with the SCY board and what they expect. We remain committed to providing the services they see as priorities.’ ‘We haven't made full decisions on the board, however whatever happens once the new company is up and running, whether SCY is merged or remains separate we will make sure there is a very strong private sector leadership within SCY.’ ‘One of the key messages we want to get out is although the council is looking to take full ownership the SCY brand, the ambitions of SCY will remain and we want to share that the brand with both the University of York and York St John who have both been key players in building that brand and maintaining it’ And yet the purpose of this organisation is to send clearer messages. Laugh Out Loud. Katie didn’t write this drivel. I suspect someone in Corporate Communications with a brief from the leadership put words in her mouth after all she’s a highly paid, highly valued member of CYC. It is absolutely the perfect example of why CYC shouldn’t touch VisitYork. There is an organisation in the private sector that has delivered record success. Fiddle with it at your peril. nickeggleton
  • Score: 4

11:05am Tue 22 Jul 14

Badgers Drift says...

Nick Eggleton's dissection of the story and his background input is interesting and insightful. I believe he's right that it has been driven by the leadership, and spun by the highly-paid head of communications under instruction.

Katie Stewart, using terms that the founder of the elitist leadership training charity, Common Purpose, uses in one of her books, is either a 'useful idiot', or, an 'expert idiot'. Kevin Turvey defines this in his comment.

Nick may disagree with me, that not for profit = anti-capitalism, but, I make this assertion in context of the issue we are looking at here. There can be altruistic reasons why not for profit organisations exist, for social good, that are not an attack on capitalism. However, having looked in detail at those who are behind the agenda, which the SCY story is a small part of, the work that SCY are doing is driven by a political ideology, and all those involved, plus many associated with it, follow a particular doctrine in varying degrees. It's not just about social enterprise for a particular deserving need, it's about social enterprise extending beyond those needs; using/applying it in different forms in the three main sectors/areas that this movement are in effect hijacking. These sectors have been collectively brought together into groupings - there's 'TED' (technology, entertainment and design), and 'Nesta' (National Endowment for Science, technology and Arts), and this is pushed bt the RSA, who's chief executive is Matthew Taylor ex-SPAD to the Labour government, and son of Professor Laurie Taylor. As I have said, If you look into the people involved, you soon realise what is going on here.

Nick discreetly omits to name any names involved with SCY and VY, but, they include many of the cultural politcal charitable elite clique who are behind the movement in York.

The next things that need to go under scrutiny are Media City York and York TV channel, and the inextricable links with SCY , and those involved.

All roads lead to Rome......?!!!!
Nick Eggleton's dissection of the story and his background input is interesting and insightful. I believe he's right that it has been driven by the leadership, and spun by the highly-paid head of communications under instruction. Katie Stewart, using terms that the founder of the elitist leadership training charity, Common Purpose, uses in one of her books, is either a 'useful idiot', or, an 'expert idiot'. Kevin Turvey defines this in his comment. Nick may disagree with me, that not for profit = anti-capitalism, but, I make this assertion in context of the issue we are looking at here. There can be altruistic reasons why not for profit organisations exist, for social good, that are not an attack on capitalism. However, having looked in detail at those who are behind the agenda, which the SCY story is a small part of, the work that SCY are doing is driven by a political ideology, and all those involved, plus many associated with it, follow a particular doctrine in varying degrees. It's not just about social enterprise for a particular deserving need, it's about social enterprise extending beyond those needs; using/applying it in different forms in the three main sectors/areas that this movement are in effect hijacking. These sectors have been collectively brought together into groupings - there's 'TED' (technology, entertainment and design), and 'Nesta' (National Endowment for Science, technology and Arts), and this is pushed bt the RSA, who's chief executive is Matthew Taylor ex-SPAD to the Labour government, and son of Professor Laurie Taylor. As I have said, If you look into the people involved, you soon realise what is going on here. Nick discreetly omits to name any names involved with SCY and VY, but, they include many of the cultural politcal charitable elite clique who are behind the movement in York. The next things that need to go under scrutiny are Media City York and York TV channel, and the inextricable links with SCY , and those involved. All roads lead to Rome......?!!!! Badgers Drift
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1:32pm Tue 22 Jul 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
Paul.

emphasis/bias is predominantly on social innovation, including not for profit, mutuals, community interest companies, and therefore has an anti-capitalist objective.

Ever the McCarthyite.
If something is something, it doesn't make it the anti-otherthing. What's so hard to understand about that?
When a pub opens is it trying to shut down coffee houses? No.
When I eat a salad am I trying to shut down the pie industry? No.

This consistent and running fundamental flaw in your reasoning is all that anyone needs to dismiss your wild claims. More than enough.

Where are all the comments from supporters of SCY and the council?

Well I'm sure you won't be able resist accusing me of being one such supporter, as is your dichotomous nature. Most people are unable to put forward a different view to you without being declared something they're not. Go for it, it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong.

Seems obvious that they are unable to dispute my assertions, and afraid to try, because they know the truth -

Maybe.
Maybe they're bored of your dogma.
Maybe they think you're unhinged and realise the futility of engaging that.
The clue is 'NOT FOR PROFIT' = anti-capitalism!

SCY is supposed to be for 'business', but, the overwhelming bias is for businesses which are not for profit.

It's socialism, marxism, communism, fabianism, ricardianism, de-leonism, stalinism, etc etc.

Like I said, just look at those involved - they are mostly left wing ideologists, from the cultural political charitable elitist clique that seeks to control York.
"Too much ism and schism"
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Paul. [quote]emphasis/bias is predominantly on social innovation, including not for profit, mutuals, community interest companies, and therefore has an anti-capitalist objective.[/quote] Ever the McCarthyite. If something is something, it doesn't make it the anti-otherthing. What's so hard to understand about that? When a pub opens is it trying to shut down coffee houses? No. When I eat a salad am I trying to shut down the pie industry? No. This consistent and running fundamental flaw in your reasoning is all that anyone needs to dismiss your wild claims. More than enough. [quote]Where are all the comments from supporters of SCY and the council?[/quote] Well I'm sure you won't be able resist accusing me of being one such supporter, as is your dichotomous nature. Most people are unable to put forward a different view to you without being declared something they're not. Go for it, it wouldn't be the first time you were wrong. [quote]Seems obvious that they are unable to dispute my assertions, and afraid to try, because they know the truth -[/quote] Maybe. Maybe they're bored of your dogma. Maybe they think you're unhinged and realise the futility of engaging that.[/p][/quote]The clue is 'NOT FOR PROFIT' = anti-capitalism! SCY is supposed to be for 'business', but, the overwhelming bias is for businesses which are not for profit. It's socialism, marxism, communism, fabianism, ricardianism, de-leonism, stalinism, etc etc. Like I said, just look at those involved - they are mostly left wing ideologists, from the cultural political charitable elitist clique that seeks to control York.[/p][/quote]"Too much ism and schism" Buzzz Light-year
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6:43pm Thu 24 Jul 14

Just_My_Twopenneth says...

"Katie Stewart, head of economic development at the council"

How has someone so young, got to such a title?
"Katie Stewart, head of economic development at the council" How has someone so young, got to such a title? Just_My_Twopenneth
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