'Headless chicken' gibe at Labour over York free parking plan

York Press: Union Terrace car park. Union Terrace car park.

LABOUR councillors have been accused of behaving like headless chickens, following the announcement of free parking for motorists within days of the reopening of Lendal Bridge.

City of York Council's decision to allow drivers to park for free on three mornings a week for the next year to boost the city centre economy, revealed by The Press, has been welcomed by retail leaders.

But Green councillor Dave Taylor claimed the ruling Labour group was bringing 'disaster' to the city with conflicting policies on retail and transport, while his colleague Andy D'Agorne said the parking decision could lead to greater morning rush hour congestion and air pollution.

Coun Taylor said in a letter to The Press that Labour had firstly backed a massive expansion of out-of-town retail at Monks Cross which the council's own retail consultants had predicted would cripple the city centre's economy with losses of £50 million per year.

Then it had 'botched' its own plan to reduce city centre congestion and air pollution by closing Lendal Bridge so badly that the trial had been abandoned without even presenting the evidence of its success or failure.

Finally, it had performed another volte-face by inviting more cars to pollute the city centre with free parking, with the lost car-parking revenue paid for by the developers of the out-of-town retail park. "Such mixed-up thinking brings the word "chickens" and "headless" to mind," he claimed.

York's Labour council leader James Alexander said Coun Taylor had shared the Conservatives’ disappointment when the new John Lewis store at Monks Cross was given approval, despite the boost to jobs and economic growth it delivered for York.

"After this decision, Coun Taylor and the other Green councillor said we should listen to city centre businesses and called for additional support," he said.

"Over at least the past six months, we have spoken with city centre businesses, listened and have now acted in response to those calls by introducing a one year pilot for free early morning parking when car parks are less full, something we think local businesses and residents in particular will welcome."

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10:49am Wed 16 Apr 14

RingoStarr says...

Funny how no-one in the media can ever decide how to spell our Councillor in charge of York transport's name. The 'Press' varies it from 'Merrit', 'Merritt' and 'Merrett' and the BBC news, today, refer to him as 'Merrick'.
Mind you, what's in a name? I think 'Useless' might suffice.
Funny how no-one in the media can ever decide how to spell our Councillor in charge of York transport's name. The 'Press' varies it from 'Merrit', 'Merritt' and 'Merrett' and the BBC news, today, refer to him as 'Merrick'. Mind you, what's in a name? I think 'Useless' might suffice. RingoStarr
  • Score: -30

10:54am Wed 16 Apr 14

greenmonkey says...

James Alexander said: After this decision, Coun Taylor and the other Green councillor said we should listen to city centre businesses and called for additional support," he said.

"Over at least the past six months, we have spoken with city centre businesses, listened and have now acted in response to those calls by introducing a one year pilot for free early morning parking when car parks are less full, something we think local businesses and residents in particular will welcome."
Additional support for city centre businesses could take a variety of forms. What about all the people who cant afford to run a car and rely on expensive or infrequent buses? In the six months discussions did they find out what the bus companies might be prepared to offer as incentives? And even if you agree that free parking is the answer, why 8-11am on the busiest mornings of the week? I suspect this could have a hidden agenda of baling out the parking revenues which have been under budget for the past few years - a back door way of getting John Lewis to prop up this budget and fund much needed improvements to the car parks. Pay on exit is a far better idea in terms of boosting city centre trade as it means visitors pay according to their stay rather than having to guess how long they want to stay in advance. Why hasn't the money been used for something like that rather than a desperate post Lendal Bridge pre election bribe from Labour? Alternatively for this money we could have a free city centre bus for the year as a trial, such as runs in Bradford, Sheffield etc No imagination James.
James Alexander said: After this decision, Coun Taylor and the other Green councillor said we should listen to city centre businesses and called for additional support," he said. "Over at least the past six months, we have spoken with city centre businesses, listened and have now acted in response to those calls by introducing a one year pilot for free early morning parking when car parks are less full, something we think local businesses and residents in particular will welcome." Additional support for city centre businesses could take a variety of forms. What about all the people who cant afford to run a car and rely on expensive or infrequent buses? In the six months discussions did they find out what the bus companies might be prepared to offer as incentives? And even if you agree that free parking is the answer, why 8-11am on the busiest mornings of the week? I suspect this could have a hidden agenda of baling out the parking revenues which have been under budget for the past few years - a back door way of getting John Lewis to prop up this budget and fund much needed improvements to the car parks. Pay on exit is a far better idea in terms of boosting city centre trade as it means visitors pay according to their stay rather than having to guess how long they want to stay in advance. Why hasn't the money been used for something like that rather than a desperate post Lendal Bridge pre election bribe from Labour? Alternatively for this money we could have a free city centre bus for the year as a trial, such as runs in Bradford, Sheffield etc No imagination James. greenmonkey
  • Score: -36

10:59am Wed 16 Apr 14

York2000 says...

Jesus. The Daily Mail would be proud of this one. What the hell has happened to the Press?
Jesus. The Daily Mail would be proud of this one. What the hell has happened to the Press? York2000
  • Score: -69

11:09am Wed 16 Apr 14

Jonothon says...

The free parking scheme seems to be this years fashion with Councils. In York it looks like desperation as the Labout group reels from its craven capitulation over Lendal Bridge.

If the car parks are full anyway, there won't be any advantage im making them free, and where the scheme has been tried elswhere there has been real anger as motorists find the car parks full to overflowing and are left with no option but to go home again.
This one could backfire badly
The free parking scheme seems to be this years fashion with Councils. In York it looks like desperation as the Labout group reels from its craven capitulation over Lendal Bridge. If the car parks are full anyway, there won't be any advantage im making them free, and where the scheme has been tried elswhere there has been real anger as motorists find the car parks full to overflowing and are left with no option but to go home again. This one could backfire badly Jonothon
  • Score: -14

11:11am Wed 16 Apr 14

yorkiemum says...

Wondered myself why this was on Minster FM news this morning but not mentioned in The Press yet
Wondered myself why this was on Minster FM news this morning but not mentioned in The Press yet yorkiemum
  • Score: -26

11:12am Wed 16 Apr 14

greenmonkey says...

This article is about the announcement of free city centre parking on three mornings per week in response to the massive out of town stores at Monks Cross offering free parking 24/7 Please stick to that discussion and not use it to discuss other unrelated transport policies! If anything the Press it too tolerant of comments which have nothing to do with the article and are abused by a small minority to make personal abuse about whoever doesn't agree with their point of view.

PARKING is the issue - please stick to it!
This article is about the announcement of free city centre parking on three mornings per week in response to the massive out of town stores at Monks Cross offering free parking 24/7 Please stick to that discussion and not use it to discuss other unrelated transport policies! If anything the Press it too tolerant of comments which have nothing to do with the article and are abused by a small minority to make personal abuse about whoever doesn't agree with their point of view. PARKING is the issue - please stick to it! greenmonkey
  • Score: -21

11:17am Wed 16 Apr 14

greenmonkey says...

Jonothon wrote:
The free parking scheme seems to be this years fashion with Councils. In York it looks like desperation as the Labout group reels from its craven capitulation over Lendal Bridge.

If the car parks are full anyway, there won't be any advantage im making them free, and where the scheme has been tried elswhere there has been real anger as motorists find the car parks full to overflowing and are left with no option but to go home again.
This one could backfire badly
Many will see the headlines and not realise the 'offer' only applies to certain car parks. Could be a 'Lendal Bridge' type fine appeals all over again? Solution? bigger signs and more people driving round from one car park to the next!
[quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: The free parking scheme seems to be this years fashion with Councils. In York it looks like desperation as the Labout group reels from its craven capitulation over Lendal Bridge. If the car parks are full anyway, there won't be any advantage im making them free, and where the scheme has been tried elswhere there has been real anger as motorists find the car parks full to overflowing and are left with no option but to go home again. This one could backfire badly[/p][/quote]Many will see the headlines and not realise the 'offer' only applies to certain car parks. Could be a 'Lendal Bridge' type fine appeals all over again? Solution? bigger signs and more people driving round from one car park to the next! greenmonkey
  • Score: -2

11:18am Wed 16 Apr 14

MrMrWW says...

The current administration has been acting like headless chickens for a while. The whole Local Plan illustrates that. It is clueless and senseless and 95% simply serves to negatively impact on York. It is the political ambition of those at the top that is ruining York. As soon as we are rid of the present lot the better.
The current administration has been acting like headless chickens for a while. The whole Local Plan illustrates that. It is clueless and senseless and 95% simply serves to negatively impact on York. It is the political ambition of those at the top that is ruining York. As soon as we are rid of the present lot the better. MrMrWW
  • Score: 3

11:18am Wed 16 Apr 14

marvell says...

Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal...

Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...
Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal... Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe... marvell
  • Score: 7

11:19am Wed 16 Apr 14

ig1234 says...

No matter what your reactions have been to the Lendel Bridge fiasco or this new announcements, the Labour Party apparently can't think or make decisions beyond the next week...
No matter what your reactions have been to the Lendel Bridge fiasco or this new announcements, the Labour Party apparently can't think or make decisions beyond the next week... ig1234
  • Score: -5

11:20am Wed 16 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

Whta's new we all used to have free parking on Foss Islands road when we were all stuck in traffic because of that Bridge. What Alexander takes away with one hand he gives us back with the other!
Whta's new we all used to have free parking on Foss Islands road when we were all stuck in traffic because of that Bridge. What Alexander takes away with one hand he gives us back with the other! Dr Brian
  • Score: -16

11:20am Wed 16 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

York2000 wrote:
Jesus. The Daily Mail would be proud of this one. What the hell has happened to the Press?
Would you just prefer them to salute your party and their wise and democratic systems? hahahahahahahahaahah
ahahahahahahahahahah
ah

There is a reason why nobody in York likes Labour, can you guess what it is?
[quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: Jesus. The Daily Mail would be proud of this one. What the hell has happened to the Press?[/p][/quote]Would you just prefer them to salute your party and their wise and democratic systems? hahahahahahahahaahah ahahahahahahahahahah ah There is a reason why nobody in York likes Labour, can you guess what it is? eeoodares
  • Score: -2

11:36am Wed 16 Apr 14

cynic3 says...

I'm beginning to think I would like to speak at the next relevant Cabinet meeting on 6 May.
I'm beginning to think I would like to speak at the next relevant Cabinet meeting on 6 May. cynic3
  • Score: -20

11:48am Wed 16 Apr 14

BL2 says...

Labour are an utter disgrace, but the Green councillors have no concept of reality at all...! They are just more rabid anti-car campaigners.
Labour are an utter disgrace, but the Green councillors have no concept of reality at all...! They are just more rabid anti-car campaigners. BL2
  • Score: -19

11:52am Wed 16 Apr 14

greenmonkey says...

BL2 wrote:
Labour are an utter disgrace, but the Green councillors have no concept of reality at all...! They are just more rabid anti-car campaigners.
Just like the thousands of Fishergate residents who re -elected them in 2007 and 2011?? They must have wider appeal than BL2 suggests!
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: Labour are an utter disgrace, but the Green councillors have no concept of reality at all...! They are just more rabid anti-car campaigners.[/p][/quote]Just like the thousands of Fishergate residents who re -elected them in 2007 and 2011?? They must have wider appeal than BL2 suggests! greenmonkey
  • Score: -21

11:52am Wed 16 Apr 14

DB Bowman says...

York2000 wrote:
Jesus. The Daily Mail would be proud of this one. What the hell has happened to the Press?
I don't see anything wrong in aspiring to be like what is either the UK's most popular (if you go by website views) or second most popular (if you go by sales) newspaper.

Besides, targeting the dwindling and discredited left wing readership would be suicidal. Of the two remaining leftie papers, the Guardian has been on death's door for years, and the Mirror only survived by switching to targeting mostly female readers.
[quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: Jesus. The Daily Mail would be proud of this one. What the hell has happened to the Press?[/p][/quote]I don't see anything wrong in aspiring to be like what is either the UK's most popular (if you go by website views) or second most popular (if you go by sales) newspaper. Besides, targeting the dwindling and discredited left wing readership would be suicidal. Of the two remaining leftie papers, the Guardian has been on death's door for years, and the Mirror only survived by switching to targeting mostly female readers. DB Bowman
  • Score: -24

11:58am Wed 16 Apr 14

greenmonkey says...

cynic3 wrote:
I'm beginning to think I would like to speak at the next relevant Cabinet meeting on 6 May.
Good to air alternative views at the meeting, but the cabinet system means no opposition influence on the decisions. The cabinet meet in private beforehand and have their prepared speeches for a decision made in advance. The most the opposition parties can do is register to speak or 'call in' a decision to a committee that still has a Labour majority and has never challenged a cabinet decision since Labour took over in 2011.
[quote][p][bold]cynic3[/bold] wrote: I'm beginning to think I would like to speak at the next relevant Cabinet meeting on 6 May.[/p][/quote]Good to air alternative views at the meeting, but the cabinet system means no opposition influence on the decisions. The cabinet meet in private beforehand and have their prepared speeches for a decision made in advance. The most the opposition parties can do is register to speak or 'call in' a decision to a committee that still has a Labour majority and has never challenged a cabinet decision since Labour took over in 2011. greenmonkey
  • Score: -96

12:01pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Caecilius says...

Dr Brian wrote:
Whta's new we all used to have free parking on Foss Islands road when we were all stuck in traffic because of that Bridge. What Alexander takes away with one hand he gives us back with the other!
When I passed "that bridge" this morning, it was packed solid in both directions with motionless traffic. Lendal was filled with stationary vehicles, too. Mute testimony to the futility of the campaign to let cars back onto the bridge, and to the Labour group's gutless capitulation.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Whta's new we all used to have free parking on Foss Islands road when we were all stuck in traffic because of that Bridge. What Alexander takes away with one hand he gives us back with the other![/p][/quote]When I passed "that bridge" this morning, it was packed solid in both directions with motionless traffic. Lendal was filled with stationary vehicles, too. Mute testimony to the futility of the campaign to let cars back onto the bridge, and to the Labour group's gutless capitulation. Caecilius
  • Score: -137

12:05pm Wed 16 Apr 14

petethefeet says...

mmmmmm! Readers should ask themselves 'why' and consider 'cause-and-effect'. For years, business rates have been collected locally but had to sent to the exchequer's central 'pot' for doling out according to central governments policies/funding for various areas. In short, no council was incenticised to promote such business growth. That is now changing - see "https://www.gov.uk/
government/publicati
ons/business-rates-r
etention-and-the-loc
al-government-financ
e-settlement-a-plain
-english-guide". Hence the apparent 'headless chicken' image.
mmmmmm! Readers should ask themselves 'why' and consider 'cause-and-effect'. For years, business rates have been collected locally but had to sent to the exchequer's central 'pot' for doling out according to central governments policies/funding for various areas. In short, no council was incenticised to promote such business growth. That is now changing - see "https://www.gov.uk/ government/publicati ons/business-rates-r etention-and-the-loc al-government-financ e-settlement-a-plain -english-guide". Hence the apparent 'headless chicken' image. petethefeet
  • Score: -120

12:22pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Sillybillies says...

If Wonga-boy Alexander thinks this is going to buy him and the rest of his Labour loonies votes in 2015, he should think again.
If Wonga-boy Alexander thinks this is going to buy him and the rest of his Labour loonies votes in 2015, he should think again. Sillybillies
  • Score: -115

12:30pm Wed 16 Apr 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Caecilius wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Whta's new we all used to have free parking on Foss Islands road when we were all stuck in traffic because of that Bridge. What Alexander takes away with one hand he gives us back with the other!
When I passed "that bridge" this morning, it was packed solid in both directions with motionless traffic. Lendal was filled with stationary vehicles, too. Mute testimony to the futility of the campaign to let cars back onto the bridge, and to the Labour group's gutless capitulation.
Yes but whilst they are sat there in the self engineered prophesy of the council i.e. the council set the lights short and say they do to cause congestion and discourage vehicles using roads in York, I am now free to get on with my business on less congested roads avoiding Lendal Bridge.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Whta's new we all used to have free parking on Foss Islands road when we were all stuck in traffic because of that Bridge. What Alexander takes away with one hand he gives us back with the other![/p][/quote]When I passed "that bridge" this morning, it was packed solid in both directions with motionless traffic. Lendal was filled with stationary vehicles, too. Mute testimony to the futility of the campaign to let cars back onto the bridge, and to the Labour group's gutless capitulation.[/p][/quote]Yes but whilst they are sat there in the self engineered prophesy of the council i.e. the council set the lights short and say they do to cause congestion and discourage vehicles using roads in York, I am now free to get on with my business on less congested roads avoiding Lendal Bridge. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -108

12:51pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Micklegate says...

I think Councillor Taylor is being harsh - what proof has he got that a selection of recently de-capitated chickens would run the city as badly as the Labour councillors?
I think Councillor Taylor is being harsh - what proof has he got that a selection of recently de-capitated chickens would run the city as badly as the Labour councillors? Micklegate
  • Score: -122

1:08pm Wed 16 Apr 14

roy_batty says...

A very desperate Labour council!
It's that bad in the city centre now one of the concessions in a certain city centre department store last saturday had to take an hourly photo of the empty shop floor to send off to it's head office!
A very desperate Labour council! It's that bad in the city centre now one of the concessions in a certain city centre department store last saturday had to take an hourly photo of the empty shop floor to send off to it's head office! roy_batty
  • Score: -118

1:11pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Dave Taylor says...

BL2: I'm not anti-car. I own a car and I love driving, but I do recognise that the pollution in York is serious - breaching safety guidelines on Gillygate and Fishergate and Fulford Road, and responsible for the early demise of over 150 of our residents each year. The Council can't ignore that.

... and "Micklegate": Although the words "headless" and "chickens" come to mind when thinking of Labour's policies on retail and transport, I didn't actually say that any of our feathered friends, with or without their heads, would make a better job of running the Council. On that remark, I couldn't possibly comment...
BL2: I'm not anti-car. I own a car and I love driving, but I do recognise that the pollution in York is serious - breaching safety guidelines on Gillygate and Fishergate and Fulford Road, and responsible for the early demise of over 150 of our residents each year. The Council can't ignore that. ... and "Micklegate": Although the words "headless" and "chickens" come to mind when thinking of Labour's policies on retail and transport, I didn't actually say that any of our feathered friends, with or without their heads, would make a better job of running the Council. On that remark, I couldn't possibly comment... Dave Taylor
  • Score: -86

1:12pm Wed 16 Apr 14

courier46 says...

marvell wrote:
Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal...

Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...
Is this legal what she does?
[quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal... Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...[/p][/quote]Is this legal what she does? courier46
  • Score: -38

1:20pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

courier46 wrote:
marvell wrote:
Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal...

Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...
Is this legal what she does?
Legal or not it's very unfair to residents in her ward.
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal... Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...[/p][/quote]Is this legal what she does?[/p][/quote]Legal or not it's very unfair to residents in her ward. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: -10

1:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

bloodaxe says...

ig1234 wrote:
No matter what your reactions have been to the Lendel Bridge fiasco or this new announcements, the Labour Party apparently can't think or make decisions beyond the next week...
Which bridge is that ?
[quote][p][bold]ig1234[/bold] wrote: No matter what your reactions have been to the Lendel Bridge fiasco or this new announcements, the Labour Party apparently can't think or make decisions beyond the next week...[/p][/quote]Which bridge is that ? bloodaxe
  • Score: -5

1:47pm Wed 16 Apr 14

bloodaxe says...

DB Bowman wrote:
York2000 wrote:
Jesus. The Daily Mail would be proud of this one. What the hell has happened to the Press?
I don't see anything wrong in aspiring to be like what is either the UK's most popular (if you go by website views) or second most popular (if you go by sales) newspaper.

Besides, targeting the dwindling and discredited left wing readership would be suicidal. Of the two remaining leftie papers, the Guardian has been on death's door for years, and the Mirror only survived by switching to targeting mostly female readers.
Well given that the default position of the Daily Mail is "hate" then it would seem that there is synergy between Mail readership and many of the commentators on this site. As for going along with the majority, Adolf Hitler (favoured by the Mail in the thirties) was elected to office. I can see an awful lot wrong with aspiring to be like a journal which spouts vitriol masquerading as fact.mercifully the Press hasn't quite done that yet.
[quote][p][bold]DB Bowman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: Jesus. The Daily Mail would be proud of this one. What the hell has happened to the Press?[/p][/quote]I don't see anything wrong in aspiring to be like what is either the UK's most popular (if you go by website views) or second most popular (if you go by sales) newspaper. Besides, targeting the dwindling and discredited left wing readership would be suicidal. Of the two remaining leftie papers, the Guardian has been on death's door for years, and the Mirror only survived by switching to targeting mostly female readers.[/p][/quote]Well given that the default position of the Daily Mail is "hate" then it would seem that there is synergy between Mail readership and many of the commentators on this site. As for going along with the majority, Adolf Hitler (favoured by the Mail in the thirties) was elected to office. I can see an awful lot wrong with aspiring to be like a journal which spouts vitriol masquerading as fact.mercifully the Press hasn't quite done that yet. bloodaxe
  • Score: -46

1:52pm Wed 16 Apr 14

york_chap says...

I do wonder if the council is starting to panic a bit - in the realisation that its anti-car policies and traffic schemes, coupled with the expansion of monks cross etc are beginning to bite in terms of city centre businesses.

The city centre might still seem very busy at times, even showing decent footfall figures, particularly at the weekends/school holidays etc; but if you really look; an awful lot of these people are either tourists, teenagers or students. Great news for the cafes, ice cream shops and gift boutiques, but how many of them are really going to go and spend a decent amount in staple city centre shops like Browns/BHS/Barnitts etc?

I do think a lot of local people now simply find it too expensive and too much hassle to go into the centre of York when they want a look round the shops. Monks Cross, Fulford Outlet and Clifton Moor cater for most needs now, and if you want a full day's shopping you can be at Meadowhall in 40 minutes with a zillion big shops and equal free parking facilities. I still like going into town when I need things, but I totally get why many people don't.
I do wonder if the council is starting to panic a bit - in the realisation that its anti-car policies and traffic schemes, coupled with the expansion of monks cross etc are beginning to bite in terms of city centre businesses. The city centre might still seem very busy at times, even showing decent footfall figures, particularly at the weekends/school holidays etc; but if you really look; an awful lot of these people are either tourists, teenagers or students. Great news for the cafes, ice cream shops and gift boutiques, but how many of them are really going to go and spend a decent amount in staple city centre shops like Browns/BHS/Barnitts etc? I do think a lot of local people now simply find it too expensive and too much hassle to go into the centre of York when they want a look round the shops. Monks Cross, Fulford Outlet and Clifton Moor cater for most needs now, and if you want a full day's shopping you can be at Meadowhall in 40 minutes with a zillion big shops and equal free parking facilities. I still like going into town when I need things, but I totally get why many people don't. york_chap
  • Score: -32

2:17pm Wed 16 Apr 14

acomblass says...

It gets worse by the minute! We now know that Labour cooked the books over the 20mph zones thanks to Minster FM who have published the e mails between Merrett and Semlyen on line! Please please go now Dave! You are not creditable any more
It gets worse by the minute! We now know that Labour cooked the books over the 20mph zones thanks to Minster FM who have published the e mails between Merrett and Semlyen on line! Please please go now Dave! You are not creditable any more acomblass
  • Score: -41

3:58pm Wed 16 Apr 14

CommonSense!! says...

greenmonkey wrote:
James Alexander said: After this decision, Coun Taylor and the other Green councillor said we should listen to city centre businesses and called for additional support," he said.

"Over at least the past six months, we have spoken with city centre businesses, listened and have now acted in response to those calls by introducing a one year pilot for free early morning parking when car parks are less full, something we think local businesses and residents in particular will welcome."
Additional support for city centre businesses could take a variety of forms. What about all the people who cant afford to run a car and rely on expensive or infrequent buses? In the six months discussions did they find out what the bus companies might be prepared to offer as incentives? And even if you agree that free parking is the answer, why 8-11am on the busiest mornings of the week? I suspect this could have a hidden agenda of baling out the parking revenues which have been under budget for the past few years - a back door way of getting John Lewis to prop up this budget and fund much needed improvements to the car parks. Pay on exit is a far better idea in terms of boosting city centre trade as it means visitors pay according to their stay rather than having to guess how long they want to stay in advance. Why hasn't the money been used for something like that rather than a desperate post Lendal Bridge pre election bribe from Labour? Alternatively for this money we could have a free city centre bus for the year as a trial, such as runs in Bradford, Sheffield etc No imagination James.
If a person can't afford to run a car what are the chances of them coming into the city centre to spend lots of money? There is no point spending lots of money in order to bring in the penniless into the city centre.
[quote][p][bold]greenmonkey[/bold] wrote: James Alexander said: After this decision, Coun Taylor and the other Green councillor said we should listen to city centre businesses and called for additional support," he said. "Over at least the past six months, we have spoken with city centre businesses, listened and have now acted in response to those calls by introducing a one year pilot for free early morning parking when car parks are less full, something we think local businesses and residents in particular will welcome." Additional support for city centre businesses could take a variety of forms. What about all the people who cant afford to run a car and rely on expensive or infrequent buses? In the six months discussions did they find out what the bus companies might be prepared to offer as incentives? And even if you agree that free parking is the answer, why 8-11am on the busiest mornings of the week? I suspect this could have a hidden agenda of baling out the parking revenues which have been under budget for the past few years - a back door way of getting John Lewis to prop up this budget and fund much needed improvements to the car parks. Pay on exit is a far better idea in terms of boosting city centre trade as it means visitors pay according to their stay rather than having to guess how long they want to stay in advance. Why hasn't the money been used for something like that rather than a desperate post Lendal Bridge pre election bribe from Labour? Alternatively for this money we could have a free city centre bus for the year as a trial, such as runs in Bradford, Sheffield etc No imagination James.[/p][/quote]If a person can't afford to run a car what are the chances of them coming into the city centre to spend lots of money? There is no point spending lots of money in order to bring in the penniless into the city centre. CommonSense!!
  • Score: -59

4:21pm Wed 16 Apr 14

SteadyOn says...

bloodaxe wrote:
DB Bowman wrote:
York2000 wrote:
Jesus. The Daily Mail would be proud of this one. What the hell has happened to the Press?
I don't see anything wrong in aspiring to be like what is either the UK's most popular (if you go by website views) or second most popular (if you go by sales) newspaper.

Besides, targeting the dwindling and discredited left wing readership would be suicidal. Of the two remaining leftie papers, the Guardian has been on death's door for years, and the Mirror only survived by switching to targeting mostly female readers.
Well given that the default position of the Daily Mail is "hate" then it would seem that there is synergy between Mail readership and many of the commentators on this site. As for going along with the majority, Adolf Hitler (favoured by the Mail in the thirties) was elected to office. I can see an awful lot wrong with aspiring to be like a journal which spouts vitriol masquerading as fact.mercifully the Press hasn't quite done that yet.
Godwin's
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DB Bowman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]York2000[/bold] wrote: Jesus. The Daily Mail would be proud of this one. What the hell has happened to the Press?[/p][/quote]I don't see anything wrong in aspiring to be like what is either the UK's most popular (if you go by website views) or second most popular (if you go by sales) newspaper. Besides, targeting the dwindling and discredited left wing readership would be suicidal. Of the two remaining leftie papers, the Guardian has been on death's door for years, and the Mirror only survived by switching to targeting mostly female readers.[/p][/quote]Well given that the default position of the Daily Mail is "hate" then it would seem that there is synergy between Mail readership and many of the commentators on this site. As for going along with the majority, Adolf Hitler (favoured by the Mail in the thirties) was elected to office. I can see an awful lot wrong with aspiring to be like a journal which spouts vitriol masquerading as fact.mercifully the Press hasn't quite done that yet.[/p][/quote]Godwin's SteadyOn
  • Score: -49

4:28pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

on a lighter note... saw the council CCTV van do an illegal manoeuvre yesterday at blossom street junction.... So they fine people for parking illegally but they can drive illegally (and dangerously)??? hmmmm. Also at 4:30 i would have thought the school run was over... oh yeh it is a money making scheme not h&s related i forgot..
on a lighter note... saw the council CCTV van do an illegal manoeuvre yesterday at blossom street junction.... So they fine people for parking illegally but they can drive illegally (and dangerously)??? hmmmm. Also at 4:30 i would have thought the school run was over... oh yeh it is a money making scheme not h&s related i forgot.. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -39

4:32pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Caecilius wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Whta's new we all used to have free parking on Foss Islands road when we were all stuck in traffic because of that Bridge. What Alexander takes away with one hand he gives us back with the other!
When I passed "that bridge" this morning, it was packed solid in both directions with motionless traffic. Lendal was filled with stationary vehicles, too. Mute testimony to the futility of the campaign to let cars back onto the bridge, and to the Labour group's gutless capitulation.
Were you selective in your timing, its always clogged with traffic first thing on a morning, just be honest did you observe the bridge before or after the failed trial time of 10.30?
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Whta's new we all used to have free parking on Foss Islands road when we were all stuck in traffic because of that Bridge. What Alexander takes away with one hand he gives us back with the other![/p][/quote]When I passed "that bridge" this morning, it was packed solid in both directions with motionless traffic. Lendal was filled with stationary vehicles, too. Mute testimony to the futility of the campaign to let cars back onto the bridge, and to the Labour group's gutless capitulation.[/p][/quote]Were you selective in your timing, its always clogged with traffic first thing on a morning, just be honest did you observe the bridge before or after the failed trial time of 10.30? Igiveinthen
  • Score: -67

4:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

m dee says...

So they have chosen to start at 8am hand picked car parks any spaces that get used are then paid for from the developers fund and straight into the car park collection pot ,is it really just to help the shops ?
So they have chosen to start at 8am hand picked car parks any spaces that get used are then paid for from the developers fund and straight into the car park collection pot ,is it really just to help the shops ? m dee
  • Score: -123

4:40pm Wed 16 Apr 14

SteveSCA says...

So Merrett has been fired as transport chief!

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/11153369
.Cabinet_shake_up_re
moves_Lendal_Bridge_
councillor_from_Tran
sport_role/

Let us rejoice at that news!

But why no comment facility on the story?
So Merrett has been fired as transport chief! http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/11153369 .Cabinet_shake_up_re moves_Lendal_Bridge_ councillor_from_Tran sport_role/ Let us rejoice at that news! But why no comment facility on the story? SteveSCA
  • Score: -192

4:45pm Wed 16 Apr 14

yorkiemum says...

SteveSCA wrote:
So Merrett has been fired as transport chief!

http://www.yorkpress

.co.uk/news/11153369

.Cabinet_shake_up_re

moves_Lendal_Bridge_

councillor_from_Tran

sport_role/

Let us rejoice at that news!

But why no comment facility on the story?
Why indeed!!!!
[quote][p][bold]SteveSCA[/bold] wrote: So Merrett has been fired as transport chief! http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/11153369 .Cabinet_shake_up_re moves_Lendal_Bridge_ councillor_from_Tran sport_role/ Let us rejoice at that news! But why no comment facility on the story?[/p][/quote]Why indeed!!!! yorkiemum
  • Score: -87

4:51pm Wed 16 Apr 14

York2000 says...

SteadyOn says...

bloodaxe wrote:

DB Bowman wrote:

York2000 wrote:
Jesus. The Daily Mail would be proud of this one. What the hell has happened to the Press?
I don't see anything wrong in aspiring to be like what is either the UK's most popular (if you go by website views) or second most popular (if you go by sales) newspaper.

Besides, targeting the dwindling and discredited left wing readership would be suicidal. Of the two remaining leftie papers, the Guardian has been on death's door for years, and the Mirror only survived by switching to targeting mostly female readers.
Well given that the default position of the Daily Mail is "hate" then it would seem that there is synergy between Mail readership and many of the commentators on this site. As for going along with the majority, Adolf Hitler (favoured by the Mail in the thirties) was elected to office. I can see an awful lot wrong with aspiring to be like a journal which spouts vitriol masquerading as fact.mercifully the Press hasn't quite done that yet.

Godwin's

Nope, not Godwins. That was pointing out a fact about the Daily Mail's past. Godwins would be saying the Mail are like Nazis, which didnt happen. If you're going to be smart arsed, then do it properly.
SteadyOn says... bloodaxe wrote: DB Bowman wrote: York2000 wrote: Jesus. The Daily Mail would be proud of this one. What the hell has happened to the Press? I don't see anything wrong in aspiring to be like what is either the UK's most popular (if you go by website views) or second most popular (if you go by sales) newspaper. Besides, targeting the dwindling and discredited left wing readership would be suicidal. Of the two remaining leftie papers, the Guardian has been on death's door for years, and the Mirror only survived by switching to targeting mostly female readers. Well given that the default position of the Daily Mail is "hate" then it would seem that there is synergy between Mail readership and many of the commentators on this site. As for going along with the majority, Adolf Hitler (favoured by the Mail in the thirties) was elected to office. I can see an awful lot wrong with aspiring to be like a journal which spouts vitriol masquerading as fact.mercifully the Press hasn't quite done that yet. Godwin's Nope, not Godwins. That was pointing out a fact about the Daily Mail's past. Godwins would be saying the Mail are like Nazis, which didnt happen. If you're going to be smart arsed, then do it properly. York2000
  • Score: -89

5:32pm Wed 16 Apr 14

jay, york says...

Well, no surprises here - merrett/ semlyen cooking the books with 20 mph zones. What else have they been doing??? Now Merrett has been moved from transport.
It would appear that little jimmy has gone into panic mode - first this, then a reshuffle and then his first mention on Radio York about 2015 elections within the last 30 minutes......
Well, no surprises here - merrett/ semlyen cooking the books with 20 mph zones. What else have they been doing??? Now Merrett has been moved from transport. It would appear that little jimmy has gone into panic mode - first this, then a reshuffle and then his first mention on Radio York about 2015 elections within the last 30 minutes...... jay, york
  • Score: -108

6:06pm Wed 16 Apr 14

deckhanddave says...

Stick a speed hump on it and a 20mph sign. that'll make it all better! Aaaah.
Stick a speed hump on it and a 20mph sign. that'll make it all better! Aaaah. deckhanddave
  • Score: -73

6:14pm Wed 16 Apr 14

BobDees says...

CommonSense!! wrote:
greenmonkey wrote:
James Alexander said: After this decision, Coun Taylor and the other Green councillor said we should listen to city centre businesses and called for additional support," he said.

"Over at least the past six months, we have spoken with city centre businesses, listened and have now acted in response to those calls by introducing a one year pilot for free early morning parking when car parks are less full, something we think local businesses and residents in particular will welcome."
Additional support for city centre businesses could take a variety of forms. What about all the people who cant afford to run a car and rely on expensive or infrequent buses? In the six months discussions did they find out what the bus companies might be prepared to offer as incentives? And even if you agree that free parking is the answer, why 8-11am on the busiest mornings of the week? I suspect this could have a hidden agenda of baling out the parking revenues which have been under budget for the past few years - a back door way of getting John Lewis to prop up this budget and fund much needed improvements to the car parks. Pay on exit is a far better idea in terms of boosting city centre trade as it means visitors pay according to their stay rather than having to guess how long they want to stay in advance. Why hasn't the money been used for something like that rather than a desperate post Lendal Bridge pre election bribe from Labour? Alternatively for this money we could have a free city centre bus for the year as a trial, such as runs in Bradford, Sheffield etc No imagination James.
If a person can't afford to run a car what are the chances of them coming into the city centre to spend lots of money? There is no point spending lots of money in order to bring in the penniless into the city centre.
Leaving aside your underlying message that the poor should be left to rot, you are making the assumption that anyone who doesn't have a car has no disposable income. This is clearly untrue, for example many teenagers, students and elderly people don't drive but have money to spend. A free city centre bus would benefit all these groups.
[quote][p][bold]CommonSense!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]greenmonkey[/bold] wrote: James Alexander said: After this decision, Coun Taylor and the other Green councillor said we should listen to city centre businesses and called for additional support," he said. "Over at least the past six months, we have spoken with city centre businesses, listened and have now acted in response to those calls by introducing a one year pilot for free early morning parking when car parks are less full, something we think local businesses and residents in particular will welcome." Additional support for city centre businesses could take a variety of forms. What about all the people who cant afford to run a car and rely on expensive or infrequent buses? In the six months discussions did they find out what the bus companies might be prepared to offer as incentives? And even if you agree that free parking is the answer, why 8-11am on the busiest mornings of the week? I suspect this could have a hidden agenda of baling out the parking revenues which have been under budget for the past few years - a back door way of getting John Lewis to prop up this budget and fund much needed improvements to the car parks. Pay on exit is a far better idea in terms of boosting city centre trade as it means visitors pay according to their stay rather than having to guess how long they want to stay in advance. Why hasn't the money been used for something like that rather than a desperate post Lendal Bridge pre election bribe from Labour? Alternatively for this money we could have a free city centre bus for the year as a trial, such as runs in Bradford, Sheffield etc No imagination James.[/p][/quote]If a person can't afford to run a car what are the chances of them coming into the city centre to spend lots of money? There is no point spending lots of money in order to bring in the penniless into the city centre.[/p][/quote]Leaving aside your underlying message that the poor should be left to rot, you are making the assumption that anyone who doesn't have a car has no disposable income. This is clearly untrue, for example many teenagers, students and elderly people don't drive but have money to spend. A free city centre bus would benefit all these groups. BobDees
  • Score: -185

6:51pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Back and Beyond says...

Dave Taylor wrote:
BL2: I'm not anti-car. I own a car and I love driving, but I do recognise that the pollution in York is serious - breaching safety guidelines on Gillygate and Fishergate and Fulford Road, and responsible for the early demise of over 150 of our residents each year. The Council can't ignore that.

... and "Micklegate": Although the words "headless" and "chickens" come to mind when thinking of Labour's policies on retail and transport, I didn't actually say that any of our feathered friends, with or without their heads, would make a better job of running the Council. On that remark, I couldn't possibly comment...
150 residents die each year through pollution each year in York? Can you back that up with hard facts or did that come straight from the Semlyn handbook of propaganda.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Taylor[/bold] wrote: BL2: I'm not anti-car. I own a car and I love driving, but I do recognise that the pollution in York is serious - breaching safety guidelines on Gillygate and Fishergate and Fulford Road, and responsible for the early demise of over 150 of our residents each year. The Council can't ignore that. ... and "Micklegate": Although the words "headless" and "chickens" come to mind when thinking of Labour's policies on retail and transport, I didn't actually say that any of our feathered friends, with or without their heads, would make a better job of running the Council. On that remark, I couldn't possibly comment...[/p][/quote]150 residents die each year through pollution each year in York? Can you back that up with hard facts or did that come straight from the Semlyn handbook of propaganda. Back and Beyond
  • Score: -99

7:11pm Wed 16 Apr 14

jay, york says...

I think the headline is an insult to headless chickens! CoYC are so much worse than this in every way.
I think the headline is an insult to headless chickens! CoYC are so much worse than this in every way. jay, york
  • Score: -53

7:19pm Wed 16 Apr 14

petethefeet says...

Back and Beyond wrote:
Dave Taylor wrote:
BL2: I'm not anti-car. I own a car and I love driving, but I do recognise that the pollution in York is serious - breaching safety guidelines on Gillygate and Fishergate and Fulford Road, and responsible for the early demise of over 150 of our residents each year. The Council can't ignore that.

... and "Micklegate": Although the words "headless" and "chickens" come to mind when thinking of Labour's policies on retail and transport, I didn't actually say that any of our feathered friends, with or without their heads, would make a better job of running the Council. On that remark, I couldn't possibly comment...
150 residents die each year through pollution each year in York? Can you back that up with hard facts or did that come straight from the Semlyn handbook of propaganda.
The Massachusetts Institute of technology reckoned that about 13000 people annually die prematurely in the UK as a result of poor air quality. I don't know where/how they draw the line as, for many of these people it may be a case of 'the straw that broke the camels back', i.e. smokers suffering from COPD, etc. But taking their figure as gospel and greater York having a population of 200,000 (0.33% uk population) then we should expect a figure of about 40, not 150. Source http://newsoffice.mi
t.edu/2012/air-pollu
tion-deaths-united-k
ingdom-0420.
Of course, you are more likely to succumb around Spaghetti Junction, or Gillygate, than in Upper Poppleton.
[quote][p][bold]Back and Beyond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Taylor[/bold] wrote: BL2: I'm not anti-car. I own a car and I love driving, but I do recognise that the pollution in York is serious - breaching safety guidelines on Gillygate and Fishergate and Fulford Road, and responsible for the early demise of over 150 of our residents each year. The Council can't ignore that. ... and "Micklegate": Although the words "headless" and "chickens" come to mind when thinking of Labour's policies on retail and transport, I didn't actually say that any of our feathered friends, with or without their heads, would make a better job of running the Council. On that remark, I couldn't possibly comment...[/p][/quote]150 residents die each year through pollution each year in York? Can you back that up with hard facts or did that come straight from the Semlyn handbook of propaganda.[/p][/quote]The Massachusetts Institute of technology reckoned that about 13000 people annually die prematurely in the UK as a result of poor air quality. I don't know where/how they draw the line as, for many of these people it may be a case of 'the straw that broke the camels back', i.e. smokers suffering from COPD, etc. But taking their figure as gospel and greater York having a population of 200,000 (0.33% uk population) then we should expect a figure of about 40, not 150. Source http://newsoffice.mi t.edu/2012/air-pollu tion-deaths-united-k ingdom-0420. Of course, you are more likely to succumb around Spaghetti Junction, or Gillygate, than in Upper Poppleton. petethefeet
  • Score: -65

7:26pm Wed 16 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

At the time of posting this, the Mark-Down Mongrels are active.

Is it Dave or is it Anna and her mates...?.

Woof, Woof, keep it up even up the balance it's all you can do, the actions of people with no credibility and no political future.
At the time of posting this, the Mark-Down Mongrels are active. Is it Dave or is it Anna and her mates...?. Woof, Woof, keep it up even up the balance it's all you can do, the actions of people with no credibility and no political future. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -59

8:23pm Wed 16 Apr 14

level-headed says...

Caecilius wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Whta's new we all used to have free parking on Foss Islands road when we were all stuck in traffic because of that Bridge. What Alexander takes away with one hand he gives us back with the other!
When I passed "that bridge" this morning, it was packed solid in both directions with motionless traffic. Lendal was filled with stationary vehicles, too. Mute testimony to the futility of the campaign to let cars back onto the bridge, and to the Labour group's gutless capitulation.
So there was traffic on the bridge? Excellent news - that's what it's there for :-)
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Whta's new we all used to have free parking on Foss Islands road when we were all stuck in traffic because of that Bridge. What Alexander takes away with one hand he gives us back with the other![/p][/quote]When I passed "that bridge" this morning, it was packed solid in both directions with motionless traffic. Lendal was filled with stationary vehicles, too. Mute testimony to the futility of the campaign to let cars back onto the bridge, and to the Labour group's gutless capitulation.[/p][/quote]So there was traffic on the bridge? Excellent news - that's what it's there for :-) level-headed
  • Score: -43

8:45pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Silver says...

jay, york wrote:
I think the headline is an insult to headless chickens! CoYC are so much worse than this in every way.
I second that, the headless chicken is far more honest, it only lies to itself that it is still alive. Can we put a headless chicken into office? I know there's a Mayor in Canada that is a cat and it gets the job done!
[quote][p][bold]jay, york[/bold] wrote: I think the headline is an insult to headless chickens! CoYC are so much worse than this in every way.[/p][/quote]I second that, the headless chicken is far more honest, it only lies to itself that it is still alive. Can we put a headless chicken into office? I know there's a Mayor in Canada that is a cat and it gets the job done! Silver
  • Score: -102

8:54pm Wed 16 Apr 14

inthesticks says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
courier46 wrote:
marvell wrote:
Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal...

Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...
Is this legal what she does?
Legal or not it's very unfair to residents in her ward.
Little middle class girl in sheep`s clothing.
Making money from her 20mph campaign out side of York AND don`t forget was raking in money for signing people up to solar panels.

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/9077565.
New_councillor_facin
g_inquiry/

Anna - You drag Labour and socialism through the mud! Real working people should stand as labour cllrs, not uni educated champagne socialists. Be gone.
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal... Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...[/p][/quote]Is this legal what she does?[/p][/quote]Legal or not it's very unfair to residents in her ward.[/p][/quote]Little middle class girl in sheep`s clothing. Making money from her 20mph campaign out side of York AND don`t forget was raking in money for signing people up to solar panels. http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9077565. New_councillor_facin g_inquiry/ Anna - You drag Labour and socialism through the mud! Real working people should stand as labour cllrs, not uni educated champagne socialists. Be gone. inthesticks
  • Score: -74

9:00pm Wed 16 Apr 14

inthesticks says...

Trouble is JA is so naive he cannot see the fools he has put into his cabinet and the harm they have done him, labour York and the City of York. There are some really good labour Councillors but you hardly ever hear anything about them in the press, just the few idiots who are out to make a name for themselves. There`s more than DM needs shoving aside, I think we all know who they are.
Trouble is JA is so naive he cannot see the fools he has put into his cabinet and the harm they have done him, labour York and the City of York. There are some really good labour Councillors but you hardly ever hear anything about them in the press, just the few idiots who are out to make a name for themselves. There`s more than DM needs shoving aside, I think we all know who they are. inthesticks
  • Score: -65

9:02pm Wed 16 Apr 14

inthesticks says...

inthesticks wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
courier46 wrote:
marvell wrote:
Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal...

Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...
Is this legal what she does?
Legal or not it's very unfair to residents in her ward.
Little middle class girl in sheep`s clothing.
Making money from her 20mph campaign out side of York AND don`t forget was raking in money for signing people up to solar panels.

http://www.yorkpress

.co.uk/news/9077565.

New_councillor_facin

g_inquiry/

Anna - You drag Labour and socialism through the mud! Real working people should stand as labour cllrs, not uni educated champagne socialists. Be gone.
Hey that was good, minus 80 in 6 minutes!
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal... Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...[/p][/quote]Is this legal what she does?[/p][/quote]Legal or not it's very unfair to residents in her ward.[/p][/quote]Little middle class girl in sheep`s clothing. Making money from her 20mph campaign out side of York AND don`t forget was raking in money for signing people up to solar panels. http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9077565. New_councillor_facin g_inquiry/ Anna - You drag Labour and socialism through the mud! Real working people should stand as labour cllrs, not uni educated champagne socialists. Be gone.[/p][/quote]Hey that was good, minus 80 in 6 minutes! inthesticks
  • Score: -54

9:36pm Wed 16 Apr 14

DeeJaiEss says...

So, the closure of Lendal Bridge did not make a significant difference to air quality but seem to make a pretty penny for the Council...only to ensure that the air quality has got worse by knee-jerking this idea forward.

The idea of a free (or heavily discounted) bus service to York would make much more sense rather than trying to make congestion worse in the city centre - exactly the opposite of one of the aims that the closure of Lendal Bridge was suppose to help reduce.

Dear York CC...that is you're a**e not your elbow.
So, the closure of Lendal Bridge did not make a significant difference to air quality but seem to make a pretty penny for the Council...only to ensure that the air quality has got worse by knee-jerking this idea forward. The idea of a free (or heavily discounted) bus service to York would make much more sense rather than trying to make congestion worse in the city centre - exactly the opposite of one of the aims that the closure of Lendal Bridge was suppose to help reduce. Dear York CC...that is you're a**e not your elbow. DeeJaiEss
  • Score: -57

10:10pm Wed 16 Apr 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
Caecilius wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Whta's new we all used to have free parking on Foss Islands road when we were all stuck in traffic because of that Bridge. What Alexander takes away with one hand he gives us back with the other!
When I passed "that bridge" this morning, it was packed solid in both directions with motionless traffic. Lendal was filled with stationary vehicles, too. Mute testimony to the futility of the campaign to let cars back onto the bridge, and to the Labour group's gutless capitulation.
Were you selective in your timing, its always clogged with traffic first thing on a morning, just be honest did you observe the bridge before or after the failed trial time of 10.30?
Most of York's roads get clogged up at this time of year. It's because of school holidays.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: Whta's new we all used to have free parking on Foss Islands road when we were all stuck in traffic because of that Bridge. What Alexander takes away with one hand he gives us back with the other![/p][/quote]When I passed "that bridge" this morning, it was packed solid in both directions with motionless traffic. Lendal was filled with stationary vehicles, too. Mute testimony to the futility of the campaign to let cars back onto the bridge, and to the Labour group's gutless capitulation.[/p][/quote]Were you selective in your timing, its always clogged with traffic first thing on a morning, just be honest did you observe the bridge before or after the failed trial time of 10.30?[/p][/quote]Most of York's roads get clogged up at this time of year. It's because of school holidays. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -68

10:16pm Wed 16 Apr 14

RoseD says...

cynic3 wrote:
I'm beginning to think I would like to speak at the next relevant Cabinet meeting on 6 May.
Yes. Let's.
[quote][p][bold]cynic3[/bold] wrote: I'm beginning to think I would like to speak at the next relevant Cabinet meeting on 6 May.[/p][/quote]Yes. Let's. RoseD
  • Score: -39

10:27pm Wed 16 Apr 14

RoseD says...

inthesticks wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
courier46 wrote:
marvell wrote:
Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal...

Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...
Is this legal what she does?
Legal or not it's very unfair to residents in her ward.
Little middle class girl in sheep`s clothing.
Making money from her 20mph campaign out side of York AND don`t forget was raking in money for signing people up to solar panels.

http://www.yorkpress

.co.uk/news/9077565.

New_councillor_facin

g_inquiry/

Anna - You drag Labour and socialism through the mud! Real working people should stand as labour cllrs, not uni educated champagne socialists. Be gone.
Well, I'm Uni educated....to be fair, perhaps education isn't Always bad.... But being on the payroll of a pro-20 MPH organisation is at the very least questionable.

And I'd prefer to vote in Independents. Labour is no longer trustworthy to me. Lib Dem? I keep thinking of Nick 'Read my lips: No tuition hike' Cleggover.
The Toryban? That party has killed more than 140 ppl a month since they lied their way into power ("we're all in this together.. that is, as long as you're an Etonian toff or a rich NonDom. Or, a Banksters. ")

Not surprised by the altered books.
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal... Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...[/p][/quote]Is this legal what she does?[/p][/quote]Legal or not it's very unfair to residents in her ward.[/p][/quote]Little middle class girl in sheep`s clothing. Making money from her 20mph campaign out side of York AND don`t forget was raking in money for signing people up to solar panels. http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9077565. New_councillor_facin g_inquiry/ Anna - You drag Labour and socialism through the mud! Real working people should stand as labour cllrs, not uni educated champagne socialists. Be gone.[/p][/quote]Well, I'm Uni educated....to be fair, perhaps education isn't Always bad.... But being on the payroll of a pro-20 MPH organisation is at the very least questionable. And I'd prefer to vote in Independents. Labour is no longer trustworthy to me. Lib Dem? I keep thinking of Nick 'Read my lips: No tuition hike' Cleggover. The Toryban? That party has killed more than 140 ppl a month since they lied their way into power ("we're all in this together.. that is, as long as you're an Etonian toff or a rich NonDom. Or, a Banksters. ") Not surprised by the altered books. RoseD
  • Score: -34

10:49pm Wed 16 Apr 14

inthesticks says...

RoseD wrote:
inthesticks wrote:
Buzzz Light-year wrote:
courier46 wrote:
marvell wrote:
Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal...

Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...
Is this legal what she does?
Legal or not it's very unfair to residents in her ward.
Little middle class girl in sheep`s clothing.
Making money from her 20mph campaign out side of York AND don`t forget was raking in money for signing people up to solar panels.

http://www.yorkpress


.co.uk/news/9077565.


New_councillor_facin


g_inquiry/

Anna - You drag Labour and socialism through the mud! Real working people should stand as labour cllrs, not uni educated champagne socialists. Be gone.
Well, I'm Uni educated....to be fair, perhaps education isn't Always bad.... But being on the payroll of a pro-20 MPH organisation is at the very least questionable.

And I'd prefer to vote in Independents. Labour is no longer trustworthy to me. Lib Dem? I keep thinking of Nick 'Read my lips: No tuition hike' Cleggover.
The Toryban? That party has killed more than 140 ppl a month since they lied their way into power ("we're all in this together.. that is, as long as you're an Etonian toff or a rich NonDom. Or, a Banksters. ")

Not surprised by the altered books.
It wasn`t knocking education but bemoaning the terrible dearth of working class people in politics and the fact that the above mentioned are so obviously lining their own pockets to the tune of owning many properties as well as the money making schemes in the name of Labour! Makes me sick, a Tory if ever there was one.
Intelligence and wisdom are not the same as education. Please intelligent, fair minded people of York, think about standing as an independent Councillor at the next local elections.
[quote][p][bold]RoseD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: Anna Semlyen says The Press is "biased" - how can she have the bare-faced cheek when she has a paid job with a national pro-20mph organisation. You couldn't get more biased than that - being paid to use your position as a councillor to help introduce blanket 20mph zones. That's a scandal... Look at her Twitter - @annasemlyen1 - 98% is 20mph content & virtually nothing on her work as a councillor for Dringhouses & Woodthorpe...[/p][/quote]Is this legal what she does?[/p][/quote]Legal or not it's very unfair to residents in her ward.[/p][/quote]Little middle class girl in sheep`s clothing. Making money from her 20mph campaign out side of York AND don`t forget was raking in money for signing people up to solar panels. http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/9077565. New_councillor_facin g_inquiry/ Anna - You drag Labour and socialism through the mud! Real working people should stand as labour cllrs, not uni educated champagne socialists. Be gone.[/p][/quote]Well, I'm Uni educated....to be fair, perhaps education isn't Always bad.... But being on the payroll of a pro-20 MPH organisation is at the very least questionable. And I'd prefer to vote in Independents. Labour is no longer trustworthy to me. Lib Dem? I keep thinking of Nick 'Read my lips: No tuition hike' Cleggover. The Toryban? That party has killed more than 140 ppl a month since they lied their way into power ("we're all in this together.. that is, as long as you're an Etonian toff or a rich NonDom. Or, a Banksters. ") Not surprised by the altered books.[/p][/quote]It wasn`t knocking education but bemoaning the terrible dearth of working class people in politics and the fact that the above mentioned are so obviously lining their own pockets to the tune of owning many properties as well as the money making schemes in the name of Labour! Makes me sick, a Tory if ever there was one. Intelligence and wisdom are not the same as education. Please intelligent, fair minded people of York, think about standing as an independent Councillor at the next local elections. inthesticks
  • Score: 1

3:54am Thu 17 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

I am just completely baffled at this council now.... if I lived in another town or city, I could read what was going on in York and have a good old laugh - it'd be like watching a 1980's sitcom with a bungling band of slck-jawed luddites inventing more and more bizarre schemes and ideas which make no sense.

The new stupid idea is stickers on green wheelie bins, so the operatives know which ones are free of charge.... Yeah, because people who have a second bin which they're paying £35 a year to have emptied won't go along a street at 3am and peel off somebody's 'free' bin sticker to put on their bin, no not at all... and neither will the wind and rain to which wheeline bins are exposed to 24/7/365 have an effect to wear off the sticker so it cannot be read, no that's just crazy.
I am just completely baffled at this council now.... if I lived in another town or city, I could read what was going on in York and have a good old laugh - it'd be like watching a 1980's sitcom with a bungling band of slck-jawed luddites inventing more and more bizarre schemes and ideas which make no sense. The new stupid idea is stickers on green wheelie bins, so the operatives know which ones are free of charge.... Yeah, because people who have a second bin which they're paying £35 a year to have emptied won't go along a street at 3am and peel off somebody's 'free' bin sticker to put on their bin, no not at all... and neither will the wind and rain to which wheeline bins are exposed to 24/7/365 have an effect to wear off the sticker so it cannot be read, no that's just crazy. Magicman!
  • Score: 2

10:23am Thu 17 Apr 14

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

Magicman! wrote:
I am just completely baffled at this council now.... if I lived in another town or city, I could read what was going on in York and have a good old laugh - it'd be like watching a 1980's sitcom with a bungling band of slck-jawed luddites inventing more and more bizarre schemes and ideas which make no sense.

The new stupid idea is stickers on green wheelie bins, so the operatives know which ones are free of charge.... Yeah, because people who have a second bin which they're paying £35 a year to have emptied won't go along a street at 3am and peel off somebody's 'free' bin sticker to put on their bin, no not at all... and neither will the wind and rain to which wheeline bins are exposed to 24/7/365 have an effect to wear off the sticker so it cannot be read, no that's just crazy.
Magicman! wrote:
" The new stupid idea is stickers on green wheelie bins, so the operatives know which ones are free of charge.... Yeah, because people who have a second bin which they're paying £35 a year to have emptied won't go along a street at 3am and peel off somebody's 'free' bin sticker to put on their bin, no not at all... and neither will the wind and rain to which wheeline bins are exposed to 24/7/365 have an effect to wear off the sticker so it cannot be read, no that's just crazy."
I think you meant NOT or should be paying £35/year, but otherwise absolutely spot on!
What happens to those who already have two green bins and would otherwise alternate to maximise their green recycling? I suppose they could convert one of them into a compost bin!
Generally recycling in York is a mess, badly thought out and executed.
Why bother separating your plastics , paper and glass when the "bin men" put it into just two compartments on the vehicle?
I could go on.......
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: I am just completely baffled at this council now.... if I lived in another town or city, I could read what was going on in York and have a good old laugh - it'd be like watching a 1980's sitcom with a bungling band of slck-jawed luddites inventing more and more bizarre schemes and ideas which make no sense. The new stupid idea is stickers on green wheelie bins, so the operatives know which ones are free of charge.... Yeah, because people who have a second bin which they're paying £35 a year to have emptied won't go along a street at 3am and peel off somebody's 'free' bin sticker to put on their bin, no not at all... and neither will the wind and rain to which wheeline bins are exposed to 24/7/365 have an effect to wear off the sticker so it cannot be read, no that's just crazy.[/p][/quote]Magicman! wrote: " The new stupid idea is stickers on green wheelie bins, so the operatives know which ones are free of charge.... Yeah, because people who have a second bin which they're paying £35 a year to have emptied won't go along a street at 3am and peel off somebody's 'free' bin sticker to put on their bin, no not at all... and neither will the wind and rain to which wheeline bins are exposed to 24/7/365 have an effect to wear off the sticker so it cannot be read, no that's just crazy." I think you meant NOT or should be paying £35/year, but otherwise absolutely spot on! What happens to those who already have two green bins and would otherwise alternate to maximise their green recycling? I suppose they could convert one of them into a compost bin! Generally recycling in York is a mess, badly thought out and executed. Why bother separating your plastics , paper and glass when the "bin men" put it into just two compartments on the vehicle? I could go on....... Older Sometimes Wiser
  • Score: 2

6:54pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Dave Taylor says...

Back and Beyond wrote:
Dave Taylor wrote:
BL2: I'm not anti-car. I own a car and I love driving, but I do recognise that the pollution in York is serious - breaching safety guidelines on Gillygate and Fishergate and Fulford Road, and responsible for the early demise of over 150 of our residents each year. The Council can't ignore that.

... and "Micklegate": Although the words "headless" and "chickens" come to mind when thinking of Labour's policies on retail and transport, I didn't actually say that any of our feathered friends, with or without their heads, would make a better job of running the Council. On that remark, I couldn't possibly comment...
150 residents die each year through pollution each year in York? Can you back that up with hard facts or did that come straight from the Semlyn handbook of propaganda.
There are a number of reports which give some alarming statistics. May i recommend these to you...

Internationally: http://www.theguardi
an.com/environment/2
014/mar/25/air-pollu
tion-kills-7m-people
-a-year

Nationally: http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-26973783

Locally: "Based on national estimates of the number of premature deaths due to air pollution, pro rata, between 94 and 163 people die prematurely each year in York." http://www.lowemissi
onstrategies.org/dow
nloads/Final_Consult
ation_Draft_LES_York
.pdf
[quote][p][bold]Back and Beyond[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Taylor[/bold] wrote: BL2: I'm not anti-car. I own a car and I love driving, but I do recognise that the pollution in York is serious - breaching safety guidelines on Gillygate and Fishergate and Fulford Road, and responsible for the early demise of over 150 of our residents each year. The Council can't ignore that. ... and "Micklegate": Although the words "headless" and "chickens" come to mind when thinking of Labour's policies on retail and transport, I didn't actually say that any of our feathered friends, with or without their heads, would make a better job of running the Council. On that remark, I couldn't possibly comment...[/p][/quote]150 residents die each year through pollution each year in York? Can you back that up with hard facts or did that come straight from the Semlyn handbook of propaganda.[/p][/quote]There are a number of reports which give some alarming statistics. May i recommend these to you... Internationally: http://www.theguardi an.com/environment/2 014/mar/25/air-pollu tion-kills-7m-people -a-year Nationally: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-26973783 Locally: "Based on national estimates of the number of premature deaths due to air pollution, pro rata, between 94 and 163 people die prematurely each year in York." http://www.lowemissi onstrategies.org/dow nloads/Final_Consult ation_Draft_LES_York .pdf Dave Taylor
  • Score: 3

7:10pm Thu 17 Apr 14

nearlyman says...

Alas poor Merrett, we knew him well !
Alas poor Merrett, we knew him well ! nearlyman
  • Score: 2

5:56pm Sat 19 Apr 14

New_resident says...

New resident
For me that the most worrying issue here is the apparent inability of the council to maintain a long term view and to implement policies based on agreed values and stated objectives in a consistent manner (though this seems to be a difficulty experienced by politicians in all 3 of the major parties at all levels). I agree with Cllr Taylor that they should at the very least have concluded their pilot study and reported the findings.
On moving to York 2 months ago, having lived in several UK cities, I've found it comparatively easy to get around York safely by bike or quickly and easily by bus (I have a Park and Ride stop near my home). There are many circumstances in which a car is essential but, for me, shopping and leisure activities in a city centre (especially a city as compact as York) aren't one of them.
New resident For me that the most worrying issue here is the apparent inability of the council to maintain a long term view and to implement policies based on agreed values and stated objectives in a consistent manner (though this seems to be a difficulty experienced by politicians in all 3 of the major parties at all levels). I agree with Cllr Taylor that they should at the very least have concluded their pilot study and reported the findings. On moving to York 2 months ago, having lived in several UK cities, I've found it comparatively easy to get around York safely by bike or quickly and easily by bus (I have a Park and Ride stop near my home). There are many circumstances in which a car is essential but, for me, shopping and leisure activities in a city centre (especially a city as compact as York) aren't one of them. New_resident
  • Score: 3

4:11pm Mon 21 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

cynic3 wrote:
I'm beginning to think I would like to speak at the next relevant Cabinet meeting on 6 May.
Just be careful if you do speak at city of York cabinet. councillor Tracey Simpson Laing shouted me down as I was speaking on democratic accountability in the last cabinet public participation session- all recorded folks! Then later she had the nerve to maliciously mischaracterise what I said, then abused my DPA Rights (all on tape and on the webcast) - until I got up and tell her she has completely misinterpreted what I said and that she cannot maliciously refer to my workplace in such a derogatory manner - of course that was all blanked out of the tape - but citizens you can see the desperate attempts her colleagues made to shut her up. It is all on shameful record. She made a fool of herself. Since that time I have had multiple contacts from citizens who have also been bullied into silence by her.
So- anyone speaking at city of York council meetings, take your own recording - they cannot be relied upon to be fair, or take action against councillors who bully and abuse citizens who have no defence.
[quote][p][bold]cynic3[/bold] wrote: I'm beginning to think I would like to speak at the next relevant Cabinet meeting on 6 May.[/p][/quote]Just be careful if you do speak at city of York cabinet. councillor Tracey Simpson Laing shouted me down as I was speaking on democratic accountability in the last cabinet public participation session- all recorded folks! Then later she had the nerve to maliciously mischaracterise what I said, then abused my DPA Rights (all on tape and on the webcast) - until I got up and tell her she has completely misinterpreted what I said and that she cannot maliciously refer to my workplace in such a derogatory manner - of course that was all blanked out of the tape - but citizens you can see the desperate attempts her colleagues made to shut her up. It is all on shameful record. She made a fool of herself. Since that time I have had multiple contacts from citizens who have also been bullied into silence by her. So- anyone speaking at city of York council meetings, take your own recording - they cannot be relied upon to be fair, or take action against councillors who bully and abuse citizens who have no defence. gmsgop
  • Score: 3

2:52pm Tue 22 Apr 14

meme says...

as a car owner and cyclist it seems to me there needs to be a balance
cars will have to be curbed but until there is a decent alternative this will be an issue
Cycle tracks are all well and good but need to be safe and car free.
we need a radical solution so why not try
1. the sort of smaller mini busses that run in Turkey and stop/pick up on single routes on demand and charge a flat affordable fee whether you go 50 yards or 5 miles I think they are called a Dolmush. there are about 5 major routes in/out of the city and these would work well
they are always available and as private are chasing work. Council could insist they were gas powered smaller busses to keep them green and sell the concessions generating revenue.
2. How about subsidising electric bicycles. virtually all can ride one and you don't need to be super fit. they are clean and simple to use and green
3.I would pay a congestion charge so long as the busses worked well but until then would object
4. Let motorcycles/scooters use bus lanes. it would encourage their use more
On another subject our litter problem is dreadful. why cannot we fine heavily people who drop litter and enforce those fines rigorously ?
as a car owner and cyclist it seems to me there needs to be a balance cars will have to be curbed but until there is a decent alternative this will be an issue Cycle tracks are all well and good but need to be safe and car free. we need a radical solution so why not try 1. the sort of smaller mini busses that run in Turkey and stop/pick up on single routes on demand and charge a flat affordable fee whether you go 50 yards or 5 miles I think they are called a Dolmush. there are about 5 major routes in/out of the city and these would work well they are always available and as private are chasing work. Council could insist they were gas powered smaller busses to keep them green and sell the concessions generating revenue. 2. How about subsidising electric bicycles. virtually all can ride one and you don't need to be super fit. they are clean and simple to use and green 3.I would pay a congestion charge so long as the busses worked well but until then would object 4. Let motorcycles/scooters use bus lanes. it would encourage their use more On another subject our litter problem is dreadful. why cannot we fine heavily people who drop litter [no matter how small] and enforce those fines rigorously ? meme
  • Score: 1

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