New free parking announced in York city centre

York Press: From left: James Alexander, Adam Sinclair, Dave Merrett, Darren Richardson, David Cox, and Frank Wood From left: James Alexander, Adam Sinclair, Dave Merrett, Darren Richardson, David Cox, and Frank Wood

DRIVERS will be able to park in York car parks for free on three mornings a week, under new plans to boost the city centre.

Officials at City of York Council will announce on Tuesday that residents and visitors can park for free in eight car parks between 8am and 11am on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays.

Businesses are being urged to come up with "early-bird" promotions to take advantage of the move and boost trade.

The news comes just days after the council abandoned the traffic ban on Lendal Bridge, which many traders said damaged business. 

Coun Dave Merrett, council cabinet member for transport, said the council had worked closely in the past six months with City Team York, the Retail Forum, the Federation of Small Businesses and other key businesses, to look at improving car access to the city centre.

He said: "As part of these discussions the groups have concluded that the city should look at incentivising residents and visitors into the city centre, particularly at the weekend.”

The promotion will begin on May 26 and cover the Nunnery Lane, Bishopthorpe Road, Castle Mills, Foss Bank, Marygate, Monk Bar, St George’s Field and Union Terrace car parks.

It will initially run for a year, funded from section 106 money paid by the developers of the Vanguarde centre at Monks Cross as part of their planning permission agreement.

The move has been welcomed by the York Retail Forum, which was critical of the closure of Lendal Bridge.

Frank Wood, forum chair, said: “We have to make York accessible for every form of transport and it’s vitally important we have accessible parking.  If you are coming into town in a car, York is open for business.”

The council said it had also worked with Fenwick's, Brown's, Mulberry Hall, M&S, Barnitts, HSBC, John Lewis Partnership, land owners and developers on the project.

It also plans to introduce a business permit scheme and a trial of ‘Pay on Exit’ car parking at Marygate, which is seen as encouraging people to stay in the centre for longer.

Adam Sinclair, City Team York chair, said city-centre businesses were invited to "embrace the initiative by coming up with imaginative 'early-bird' offers and help share the message with customers.” 

David Cox, director of the Federation of Small Businesses, said: “This is the first of many changes that we can make by working together. I hope we can extend free parking times beyond this initial step as work on obtaining funding for our initiatives progresses.”

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10:12pm Mon 14 Apr 14

yorkonafork says...

Time hasn't aged the Backstreet Boys well. Someone needs to tell their agent that blue suits are a bit 90s too.
Time hasn't aged the Backstreet Boys well. Someone needs to tell their agent that blue suits are a bit 90s too. yorkonafork
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10:14pm Mon 14 Apr 14

The OX says...

Trying to repair the damage they have done with the farce of Lendal Bridge on the city centre
Trying to repair the damage they have done with the farce of Lendal Bridge on the city centre The OX
  • Score: -17

10:18pm Mon 14 Apr 14

mjr119 says...

What's that they say about a camel being a horse designed by a committee?
What's that they say about a camel being a horse designed by a committee? mjr119
  • Score: -39

10:20pm Mon 14 Apr 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Not much point in that if you are just going to be stuck at Mr Merrett's "constraining" traffic lights both on your inward and outward journeys. You will probably just spend the morning trying to get there and back and finding somewhere to park where the council has reduced parking space as it fits their agenda of "encouraging modal change" (bullying).
Not much point in that if you are just going to be stuck at Mr Merrett's "constraining" traffic lights both on your inward and outward journeys. You will probably just spend the morning trying to get there and back and finding somewhere to park where the council has reduced parking space as it fits their agenda of "encouraging modal change" (bullying). strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -28

10:29pm Mon 14 Apr 14

The OX says...

One minute they put Lendal Bridge on, to reduce the pollution within the City, then the next they put free parking getting people to come in to the city in a car, if they had put free park and ride I could understand that, but this is more Merrett madness bring on May 2015
One minute they put Lendal Bridge on, to reduce the pollution within the City, then the next they put free parking getting people to come in to the city in a car, if they had put free park and ride I could understand that, but this is more Merrett madness bring on May 2015 The OX
  • Score: 2

10:36pm Mon 14 Apr 14

spockboy2 says...

They are hoping to give fines out to people who are late back ,3 hours is pointless.
They are hoping to give fines out to people who are late back ,3 hours is pointless. spockboy2
  • Score: 6

10:36pm Mon 14 Apr 14

bolero says...

Thank you but no thank you. Just another part of the great Merrett climb down but no brownie points I'm afraid and no vote come May 2015. My alternative shopping habits are now well established and will continue. And no it's not necessarily Monks Cross or anywhere else in York. Too late was the cry.
Thank you but no thank you. Just another part of the great Merrett climb down but no brownie points I'm afraid and no vote come May 2015. My alternative shopping habits are now well established and will continue. And no it's not necessarily Monks Cross or anywhere else in York. Too late was the cry. bolero
  • Score: -1

10:45pm Mon 14 Apr 14

big boy york says...

was sure i heard hugh bailey suggest this on radio york on friday morning, fat boy slim must have been listening in & thought hey guys what about my new idea
was sure i heard hugh bailey suggest this on radio york on friday morning, fat boy slim must have been listening in & thought hey guys what about my new idea big boy york
  • Score: 19

10:58pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Sue510 says...

That is far too complicated. Occasional users aren't going to know whether it's a free time or not, so it won't make any difference. I don't come to York anymore unless I really have to as the parking charges are so absurd. I don't know anywhere as expensive, and the shops aren't anything special so there's no disadvantage in going somewhere else.
That is far too complicated. Occasional users aren't going to know whether it's a free time or not, so it won't make any difference. I don't come to York anymore unless I really have to as the parking charges are so absurd. I don't know anywhere as expensive, and the shops aren't anything special so there's no disadvantage in going somewhere else. Sue510
  • Score: -35

11:07pm Mon 14 Apr 14

JHardacre says...

"...funded from section 106 money paid by the developers of the Vanguarde centre at Monks Cross as part of their planning permission agreement. "

In other countries this would be known as a bribe.
"...funded from section 106 money paid by the developers of the Vanguarde centre at Monks Cross as part of their planning permission agreement. " In other countries this would be known as a bribe. JHardacre
  • Score: -30

11:59pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

When is the busiest time of day in York for traffic. From 8 am onwards when people are going to work. So what do this council do? Encourage people to drive into York for free parking between 8 and 11! Surely any sensible administration would make this free parking AFTER the rush hour.

But no Jimmy no mates and The Ferrett would not do that.

You could not write a script to show how incompetent they are - and we all know this is supposed to be a vote winner.

Jimmy it is too late you will be in the dole queue next year whatever you do now.
When is the busiest time of day in York for traffic. From 8 am onwards when people are going to work. So what do this council do? Encourage people to drive into York for free parking between 8 and 11! Surely any sensible administration would make this free parking AFTER the rush hour. But no Jimmy no mates and The Ferrett would not do that. You could not write a script to show how incompetent they are - and we all know this is supposed to be a vote winner. Jimmy it is too late you will be in the dole queue next year whatever you do now. Dr Brian
  • Score: 3

12:58am Tue 15 Apr 14

MouseHouse says...

What a stupid thing to do. The city is trying to promote responsible car use, and then we get this invite to park cars FREE!

This is so stunningly disjointed from previous policies I am almost speechless.

Abject again.
What a stupid thing to do. The city is trying to promote responsible car use, and then we get this invite to park cars FREE! This is so stunningly disjointed from previous policies I am almost speechless. Abject again. MouseHouse
  • Score: -78

7:04am Tue 15 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

Honestly you could not make it up.

They caused all that upset trying to prevent vehicles from coming into the City, now they are encouraging vehicles to drive into the City AT RUSH HOUR!

Go now, please just go before you cause some real damage to my home town.
Honestly you could not make it up. They caused all that upset trying to prevent vehicles from coming into the City, now they are encouraging vehicles to drive into the City AT RUSH HOUR! Go now, please just go before you cause some real damage to my home town. eeoodares
  • Score: 6

7:11am Tue 15 Apr 14

anth!! says...

Sue510 wrote:
That is far too complicated. Occasional users aren't going to know whether it's a free time or not, so it won't make any difference. I don't come to York anymore unless I really have to as the parking charges are so absurd. I don't know anywhere as expensive, and the shops aren't anything special so there's no disadvantage in going somewhere else.
Free parking between 8am & 11am on Wed, Thurs, & Fri, whats complicated about that ?, anyway if you dont come to York anymore it wont affect you will it ?
[quote][p][bold]Sue510[/bold] wrote: That is far too complicated. Occasional users aren't going to know whether it's a free time or not, so it won't make any difference. I don't come to York anymore unless I really have to as the parking charges are so absurd. I don't know anywhere as expensive, and the shops aren't anything special so there's no disadvantage in going somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Free parking between 8am & 11am on Wed, Thurs, & Fri, whats complicated about that ?, anyway if you dont come to York anymore it wont affect you will it ? anth!!
  • Score: 4

7:14am Tue 15 Apr 14

anth!! says...

anth!! wrote:
Sue510 wrote:
That is far too complicated. Occasional users aren't going to know whether it's a free time or not, so it won't make any difference. I don't come to York anymore unless I really have to as the parking charges are so absurd. I don't know anywhere as expensive, and the shops aren't anything special so there's no disadvantage in going somewhere else.
Free parking between 8am & 11am on Wed, Thurs, & Fri, whats complicated about that ?, anyway if you dont come to York anymore it wont affect you will it ?
Complicated for me, it was Thurs, Fri, Sat, doh !!!
[quote][p][bold]anth!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sue510[/bold] wrote: That is far too complicated. Occasional users aren't going to know whether it's a free time or not, so it won't make any difference. I don't come to York anymore unless I really have to as the parking charges are so absurd. I don't know anywhere as expensive, and the shops aren't anything special so there's no disadvantage in going somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Free parking between 8am & 11am on Wed, Thurs, & Fri, whats complicated about that ?, anyway if you dont come to York anymore it wont affect you will it ?[/p][/quote]Complicated for me, it was Thurs, Fri, Sat, doh !!! anth!!
  • Score: 21

7:31am Tue 15 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park.....
A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders.
Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?
It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park..... A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders. Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this? pedalling paul
  • Score: 41

7:48am Tue 15 Apr 14

MrsHoney says...

What the hell?!?! One minute they're trying to stop people driving into town and the next they're encouraging them!! And at rush hour too, nuts!! Is there an award for the most lunatic council in Britain cause ours surely is in with a good shot at the big prize!!!
What the hell?!?! One minute they're trying to stop people driving into town and the next they're encouraging them!! And at rush hour too, nuts!! Is there an award for the most lunatic council in Britain cause ours surely is in with a good shot at the big prize!!! MrsHoney
  • Score: 18

7:54am Tue 15 Apr 14

oldgoat says...

Selby has two hours free parking all day. Why not follow that model? Most supermarkets seem to already.
Selby has two hours free parking all day. Why not follow that model? Most supermarkets seem to already. oldgoat
  • Score: -105

8:06am Tue 15 Apr 14

YorkPatrol says...

MrsHoney wrote:
What the hell?!?! One minute they're trying to stop people driving into town and the next they're encouraging them!! And at rush hour too, nuts!! Is there an award for the most lunatic council in Britain cause ours surely is in with a good shot at the big prize!!!
You're not wrong mrs honey pot.. This is utterly insane and a total conflict of policies (although I don't really think they have any)

Total jokers!
[quote][p][bold]MrsHoney[/bold] wrote: What the hell?!?! One minute they're trying to stop people driving into town and the next they're encouraging them!! And at rush hour too, nuts!! Is there an award for the most lunatic council in Britain cause ours surely is in with a good shot at the big prize!!![/p][/quote]You're not wrong mrs honey pot.. This is utterly insane and a total conflict of policies (although I don't really think they have any) Total jokers! YorkPatrol
  • Score: -167

8:13am Tue 15 Apr 14

yorkandproud says...

Is this Resevoir Dogs remake . No, I think not, remake of The Goons possibly. What are this bunch going to pull out of the hat next? Watch this space.
Is this Resevoir Dogs remake . No, I think not, remake of The Goons possibly. What are this bunch going to pull out of the hat next? Watch this space. yorkandproud
  • Score: -130

8:20am Tue 15 Apr 14

Coffee pot says...

He said: "As part of these discussions the groups have concluded that the city should look at incentivising residents and visitors into the city centre, particularly at the weekend.”

....so we'll offer free parking during the rush hour on weekdays. That'll do it.
He said: "As part of these discussions the groups have concluded that the city should look at incentivising residents and visitors into the city centre, particularly at the weekend.” ....so we'll offer free parking during the rush hour on weekdays. That'll do it. Coffee pot
  • Score: -135

8:28am Tue 15 Apr 14

sixtyfourfive says...

pedalling paul wrote:
It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park.....
A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders.
Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?
So there should be no working with Business Leaders to try and re-energise the City Centre - you would merely hike up car parking charges even more to feed your obsessive "stop the car at all costs" crusade? Hepworth, you do not live in the real world and become more ridiculous by the day.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park..... A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders. Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?[/p][/quote]So there should be no working with Business Leaders to try and re-energise the City Centre - you would merely hike up car parking charges even more to feed your obsessive "stop the car at all costs" crusade? Hepworth, you do not live in the real world and become more ridiculous by the day. sixtyfourfive
  • Score: -118

8:34am Tue 15 Apr 14

Happytoliveinyork says...

Horse bolted
Horse bolted Happytoliveinyork
  • Score: -122

8:41am Tue 15 Apr 14

imassey says...

Jeez... once again, nothing but negativity.

I get the impression that some of you would only be happy if the council (whichever was in charge) offered to pay for your petrol, drive you in themselves and wash your car while they were waiting for you.

One minute it's "I want to use my car" the next it's "I'm being allowed to use my car but not on the terms I want". It's like a primary school full of drivers on here at times.

Oh, and I hope that Labour do get voted out, if only to see which of you complain about whatever the Liberal or Greens or (God help us) Conservatives do.
Jeez... once again, nothing but negativity. I get the impression that some of you would only be happy if the council (whichever was in charge) offered to pay for your petrol, drive you in themselves and wash your car while they were waiting for you. One minute it's "I want to use my car" the next it's "I'm being allowed to use my car but not on the terms I want". It's like a primary school full of drivers on here at times. Oh, and I hope that Labour do get voted out, if only to see which of you complain about whatever the Liberal or Greens or (God help us) Conservatives do. imassey
  • Score: 22

8:47am Tue 15 Apr 14

Happytoliveinyork says...

This is a good idea - though massively at odds with recently labour policy I. York. I'm confused - is this an about turn on policy or the first of many pre-election panic announcements.
This is a good idea - though massively at odds with recently labour policy I. York. I'm confused - is this an about turn on policy or the first of many pre-election panic announcements. Happytoliveinyork
  • Score: -36

8:50am Tue 15 Apr 14

goatman says...

Now that the Lendal Bridge scheme has been scrapped, please could we try making the inner ring road One Way? After all, this method of circulation seems to work in nature.

I think we should welcome the idea of free parking, but have to agree that the clash with rush hour is ill-thought. 9:30 until 12:30 would be much more sensible IMHO.
Now that the Lendal Bridge scheme has been scrapped, please could we try making the inner ring road One Way? After all, this method of circulation seems to work in nature. I think we should welcome the idea of free parking, but have to agree that the clash with rush hour is ill-thought. 9:30 until 12:30 would be much more sensible IMHO. goatman
  • Score: -107

8:55am Tue 15 Apr 14

chelk says...

Must be the start of the countdown to local election and a desperate party trying to con the voters that they now take Residents into account, it will not work we all know you for what you really are you will be voted out at the election as we will not forget the damage you have done
Must be the start of the countdown to local election and a desperate party trying to con the voters that they now take Residents into account, it will not work we all know you for what you really are you will be voted out at the election as we will not forget the damage you have done chelk
  • Score: -77

8:58am Tue 15 Apr 14

Bailed Out says...

Alexander, Merrett & Co. Like chickens with no heads. Desperate to find a scheme the people will like. Start with the obvious, dual the outer ring road.
Alexander, Merrett & Co. Like chickens with no heads. Desperate to find a scheme the people will like. Start with the obvious, dual the outer ring road. Bailed Out
  • Score: -83

8:58am Tue 15 Apr 14

tuki1234 says...

Must be the start of the countdown to local election and a desperate party trying to con the voters that they now take Residents into account, it will not work we all know you for what you really are you will be voted out at the election as we will not forget the damage you have done
Must be the start of the countdown to local election and a desperate party trying to con the voters that they now take Residents into account, it will not work we all know you for what you really are you will be voted out at the election as we will not forget the damage you have done tuki1234
  • Score: -52

9:09am Tue 15 Apr 14

acomblass says...

Sorry guys - you've lost the plot. You take away our Residents parking concession and then hope that we will be happy with this? You don't know whether your are on this earth or Fullers.
Sorry guys - you've lost the plot. You take away our Residents parking concession and then hope that we will be happy with this? You don't know whether your are on this earth or Fullers. acomblass
  • Score: -29

9:17am Tue 15 Apr 14

Micklegate says...

acomblass wrote:
Sorry guys - you've lost the plot. You take away our Residents parking concession and then hope that we will be happy with this? You don't know whether your are on this earth or Fullers.
How will they even know who the residents are when they've taken away the Minster badge and replaced it with a repeat user discount scheme which will cost a fortune to administer. People will be able to go to Monks Cross and park for free or..................
..................
go into town and think what time of day it is and day of the week and then think whether they are part of the frequent user scheme (or whether this is necessary for residents) and then how much time they need and so whether they will run into the paid parking and then whether there are any bridges they are not allowed to cross and then which roads have had their speed limit reduced to get there.

Is anyone else not convinced the Labour cabinet know what they are doing?
[quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: Sorry guys - you've lost the plot. You take away our Residents parking concession and then hope that we will be happy with this? You don't know whether your are on this earth or Fullers.[/p][/quote]How will they even know who the residents are when they've taken away the Minster badge and replaced it with a repeat user discount scheme which will cost a fortune to administer. People will be able to go to Monks Cross and park for free or.................. .................. go into town and think what time of day it is and day of the week and then think whether they are part of the frequent user scheme (or whether this is necessary for residents) and then how much time they need and so whether they will run into the paid parking and then whether there are any bridges they are not allowed to cross and then which roads have had their speed limit reduced to get there. Is anyone else not convinced the Labour cabinet know what they are doing? Micklegate
  • Score: -32

9:18am Tue 15 Apr 14

Micklegate says...

Happytoliveinyork wrote:
This is a good idea - though massively at odds with recently labour policy I. York. I'm confused - is this an about turn on policy or the first of many pre-election panic announcements.
It's both
[quote][p][bold]Happytoliveinyork[/bold] wrote: This is a good idea - though massively at odds with recently labour policy I. York. I'm confused - is this an about turn on policy or the first of many pre-election panic announcements.[/p][/quote]It's both Micklegate
  • Score: -25

9:39am Tue 15 Apr 14

maybejustmaybe says...

Just like closing the wrong bridge (Lendal instead of Ouse), the free parking is at the wrong time of day (10 til 2 would be a better idea, inside the two rush 'hours'). Another good idea badly implemented.
Just like closing the wrong bridge (Lendal instead of Ouse), the free parking is at the wrong time of day (10 til 2 would be a better idea, inside the two rush 'hours'). Another good idea badly implemented. maybejustmaybe
  • Score: -17

9:40am Tue 15 Apr 14

LibDem says...

Labour have increased City centre car parking charges by as much as 80% (York residents) since they took control in 2011. This included a hefty hike at the "shoppers" car park on Fossgate. The law of diminishing returns has now set in.

Nothing is for "free" When the section 106 monies run out taxpayers will have to pick up the difference. So we'll all look with interest at the costings for this plan.

If it pulls customers away for other car parks (as well as Castle there are 4 privately operated city centre car parks which hitherto have charged the same rates as the Council) and park and ride services the bill could be considerable.

As for starting the discount at 8:00am. The shops aren't even open then. Surely better to avoid the rush hour and start at 9:30am.

But better still, look to have a more flexible system with lower charges reflecting demand levels.
Labour have increased City centre car parking charges by as much as 80% (York residents) since they took control in 2011. This included a hefty hike at the "shoppers" car park on Fossgate. The law of diminishing returns has now set in. Nothing is for "free" When the section 106 monies run out taxpayers will have to pick up the difference. So we'll all look with interest at the costings for this plan. If it pulls customers away for other car parks (as well as Castle there are 4 privately operated city centre car parks which hitherto have charged the same rates as the Council) and park and ride services the bill could be considerable. As for starting the discount at 8:00am. The shops aren't even open then. Surely better to avoid the rush hour and start at 9:30am. But better still, look to have a more flexible system with lower charges reflecting demand levels. LibDem
  • Score: -11

9:42am Tue 15 Apr 14

bill bailey says...

ONCE A PRATT ALWAYS A PRATT ,, THE VOTERS WONT FORGET. OUT BY THE SCUFF OF THEIR NECKS,, What will they do the with no money from being a councillor, They have had the cream now they will have to go on benefits ,,I HOPE/
ONCE A PRATT ALWAYS A PRATT ,, THE VOTERS WONT FORGET. OUT BY THE SCUFF OF THEIR NECKS,, What will they do the with no money from being a councillor, They have had the cream now they will have to go on benefits ,,I HOPE/ bill bailey
  • Score: -11

9:47am Tue 15 Apr 14

Yorkshine1 says...

wow, the motoring lobby really is quite powerful in York really isn't it....Anti cyclist, anti-bridge closure, pro free parking. But when the money runs out...who pays for our council services? road tax payers?!
wow, the motoring lobby really is quite powerful in York really isn't it....Anti cyclist, anti-bridge closure, pro free parking. But when the money runs out...who pays for our council services? road tax payers?! Yorkshine1
  • Score: -35

9:57am Tue 15 Apr 14

BL2 says...

I already park for free thanks. I wouldn't come into York otherwise!
I already park for free thanks. I wouldn't come into York otherwise! BL2
  • Score: -25

10:11am Tue 15 Apr 14

the original Homer says...

There are 2 objectives most of us can appreciate and support, namely reducing congestion and increasing footfall (visitors/shoppers).


Lendal failed on both counts.

Free parking should win on footfall, but at the expense of congestion. I also wonder if one of our Councillors has a sideline making signs, because having some car parks free and others not free is another Lendal "which is which?" in the making.

However, the simple fix is to use whatever funding is available to do something about P&R. I don't know the financials, but if there is a pot of money to fund free parking, it could have been used to fund free buses at certain times, or at least an "off peak £1 return".

That would have a fighting chance of reducing congestion and increasing footfall.

It might need a bit of thought to come up with a scheme the bus company can operate, but it isn't rocket science and once set up it would be easy to fine tune as they went along, by tweaking the times and days of operation.

It would also be crystal clear for visitors and residents as it would simply be all P&R, not "a handful of car parks, please refer to list, and look up on map".
There are 2 objectives most of us can appreciate and support, namely reducing congestion and increasing footfall (visitors/shoppers). Lendal failed on both counts. Free parking should win on footfall, but at the expense of congestion. I also wonder if one of our Councillors has a sideline making signs, because having some car parks free and others not free is another Lendal "which is which?" in the making. However, the simple fix is to use whatever funding is available to do something about P&R. I don't know the financials, but if there is a pot of money to fund free parking, it could have been used to fund free buses at certain times, or at least an "off peak £1 return". That would have a fighting chance of reducing congestion and increasing footfall. It might need a bit of thought to come up with a scheme the bus company can operate, but it isn't rocket science and once set up it would be easy to fine tune as they went along, by tweaking the times and days of operation. It would also be crystal clear for visitors and residents as it would simply be all P&R, not "a handful of car parks, please refer to list, and look up on map". the original Homer
  • Score: -13

10:13am Tue 15 Apr 14

greenmonkey says...

The OX wrote:
One minute they put Lendal Bridge on, to reduce the pollution within the City, then the next they put free parking getting people to come in to the city in a car, if they had put free park and ride I could understand that, but this is more Merrett madness bring on May 2015
Exactly! Dave M has either given up or completely lost the argument with his party on this one. If you accept the argument that you want to attract customers to the quiet times in your store surely the offer would be better on a Mon -Wed morning, starting after the commuter peak is over? Or is this some machiavelian way of filling the car parks with shoppers to deter commuters from using them on Thur and Fri morning It would be a far better investment to give a discount on park and ride fares to city centre shoppers or have free park and ride tickets say 10am -12am. Once park and ride customers arrive they will tend to spend more in the city, having lunch rather than rushing back to their cars by 11am
[quote][p][bold]The OX[/bold] wrote: One minute they put Lendal Bridge on, to reduce the pollution within the City, then the next they put free parking getting people to come in to the city in a car, if they had put free park and ride I could understand that, but this is more Merrett madness bring on May 2015[/p][/quote]Exactly! Dave M has either given up or completely lost the argument with his party on this one. If you accept the argument that you want to attract customers to the quiet times in your store surely the offer would be better on a Mon -Wed morning, starting after the commuter peak is over? Or is this some machiavelian way of filling the car parks with shoppers to deter commuters from using them on Thur and Fri morning It would be a far better investment to give a discount on park and ride fares to city centre shoppers or have free park and ride tickets say 10am -12am. Once park and ride customers arrive they will tend to spend more in the city, having lunch rather than rushing back to their cars by 11am greenmonkey
  • Score: -6

10:23am Tue 15 Apr 14

roskoboskovic says...

too little too late lads and just trying to placate sinclair and his cronies means nothing to the residents that you ve royally peed off with your anti motorist agendas.if this is meant to somehow placate voters then you are even more stupid than i thought.if merrett had even one ounce of honour or self respect he d be long gone.
too little too late lads and just trying to placate sinclair and his cronies means nothing to the residents that you ve royally peed off with your anti motorist agendas.if this is meant to somehow placate voters then you are even more stupid than i thought.if merrett had even one ounce of honour or self respect he d be long gone. roskoboskovic
  • Score: -27

10:26am Tue 15 Apr 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

If I move my car from my residents' zone to the free car park, can I claim a proportional rebate? I live in the city centre, pay a fortune to park there... and now they're making it so people from outside York - non-ratepayers - to come in and park for free. I thought this was MY council...
If I move my car from my residents' zone to the free car park, can I claim a proportional rebate? I live in the city centre, pay a fortune to park there... and now they're making it so people from outside York - non-ratepayers - to come in and park for free. I thought this was MY council... Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: -8

10:32am Tue 15 Apr 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

A welcome crumb I'll devour with relish.
A welcome crumb I'll devour with relish. Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -28

10:36am Tue 15 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

pedalling paul wrote:
It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park.....
A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders.
Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?
When you refer to a transport policy and 'plank' I automatically think of you.

I am astounded you are trying to blame this decision on Eric Pickles or on York's business leaders.....Its the Council.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park..... A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders. Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?[/p][/quote]When you refer to a transport policy and 'plank' I automatically think of you. I am astounded you are trying to blame this decision on Eric Pickles or on York's business leaders.....Its the Council. eeoodares
  • Score: -10

10:38am Tue 15 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

pedalling paul wrote:
It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park.....
A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders.
Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?
My goodness I am in agreement with Paul for once - Get the coffee on I need to sit down.

But Paul you are indeed correct it is a case of Jimmy no mates ldoing something for the motorist in the hope that it fails.

The Revenge of Alexander and Merrett Part 1 - watch this space for more daft ideas from the unelectable
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park..... A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders. Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?[/p][/quote]My goodness I am in agreement with Paul for once - Get the coffee on I need to sit down. But Paul you are indeed correct it is a case of Jimmy no mates ldoing something for the motorist in the hope that it fails. The Revenge of Alexander and Merrett Part 1 - watch this space for more daft ideas from the unelectable Dr Brian
  • Score: 1

10:39am Tue 15 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

imassey wrote:
Jeez... once again, nothing but negativity.

I get the impression that some of you would only be happy if the council (whichever was in charge) offered to pay for your petrol, drive you in themselves and wash your car while they were waiting for you.

One minute it's "I want to use my car" the next it's "I'm being allowed to use my car but not on the terms I want". It's like a primary school full of drivers on here at times.

Oh, and I hope that Labour do get voted out, if only to see which of you complain about whatever the Liberal or Greens or (God help us) Conservatives do.
Its hard to know where to start with your foolish statement, please go away and have a think about it and come back when you have an answer.
[quote][p][bold]imassey[/bold] wrote: Jeez... once again, nothing but negativity. I get the impression that some of you would only be happy if the council (whichever was in charge) offered to pay for your petrol, drive you in themselves and wash your car while they were waiting for you. One minute it's "I want to use my car" the next it's "I'm being allowed to use my car but not on the terms I want". It's like a primary school full of drivers on here at times. Oh, and I hope that Labour do get voted out, if only to see which of you complain about whatever the Liberal or Greens or (God help us) Conservatives do.[/p][/quote]Its hard to know where to start with your foolish statement, please go away and have a think about it and come back when you have an answer. eeoodares
  • Score: -131

10:40am Tue 15 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

sixtyfourfive wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circlesCan't speak for my doppleganger unfortunately. But you are putting word into my mouth. I have not suggested any "hike" in parking charges. Rather to maintain the present status quo, where CoYC managed car parks remain more expensive, the closer one penetrates towards the City centre.
Will this experiment deplete P&R usage, and will extra car journeys bung up the roads that the buses must neccessarily use?
I hope that this short term experiment remains just that, and that city centre retailers do not come to regard it as a foot in the door.
[quote][p][bold]sixtyfourfive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circlesCan't speak for my doppleganger unfortunately. But you are putting word into my mouth. I have not suggested any "hike" in parking charges. Rather to maintain the present status quo, where CoYC managed car parks remain more expensive, the closer one penetrates towards the City centre. Will this experiment deplete P&R usage, and will extra car journeys bung up the roads that the buses must neccessarily use? I hope that this short term experiment remains just that, and that city centre retailers do not come to regard it as a foot in the door. pedalling paul
  • Score: 56

10:44am Tue 15 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

Yorkshine1 wrote:
wow, the motoring lobby really is quite powerful in York really isn't it....Anti cyclist, anti-bridge closure, pro free parking. But when the money runs out...who pays for our council services? road tax payers?!
Who in the motoring lobby asked for the Bridge closure?
Very little anti -bike sentiment from motorists, but lots of anti-car rants from the cyclists.
Nobody has asked for free parking, no motorist wants more cars on the road at rush hour.
Nobody wants £1,200,000.00 (yes million) spending on a cycle path that 2 bikes a day use.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkshine1[/bold] wrote: wow, the motoring lobby really is quite powerful in York really isn't it....Anti cyclist, anti-bridge closure, pro free parking. But when the money runs out...who pays for our council services? road tax payers?![/p][/quote]Who in the motoring lobby asked for the Bridge closure? Very little anti -bike sentiment from motorists, but lots of anti-car rants from the cyclists. Nobody has asked for free parking, no motorist wants more cars on the road at rush hour. Nobody wants £1,200,000.00 (yes million) spending on a cycle path that 2 bikes a day use. eeoodares
  • Score: -67

10:45am Tue 15 Apr 14

YorkPatrol says...

imassey wrote:
Jeez... once again, nothing but negativity. I get the impression that some of you would only be happy if the council (whichever was in charge) offered to pay for your petrol, drive you in themselves and wash your car while they were waiting for you. One minute it's "I want to use my car" the next it's "I'm being allowed to use my car but not on the terms I want". It's like a primary school full of drivers on here at times. Oh, and I hope that Labour do get voted out, if only to see which of you complain about whatever the Liberal or Greens or (God help us) Conservatives do.
You've missed the point totally... Typical Labour voter...

It is simply not logical to have a scheme to reduce the number of vehicles in the city (i.e. Lendal Bridge closure), only then to have a scheme to encourage vehicles into the city (i.e. Free parking)..

People have simply lost faith in the current governed council – It is a pathetic show of inconsistent incompetence

I think the free parking idea is great – it just makes no sense given the previous anti car policies of ferret hence the criticisms
[quote][p][bold]imassey[/bold] wrote: Jeez... once again, nothing but negativity. I get the impression that some of you would only be happy if the council (whichever was in charge) offered to pay for your petrol, drive you in themselves and wash your car while they were waiting for you. One minute it's "I want to use my car" the next it's "I'm being allowed to use my car but not on the terms I want". It's like a primary school full of drivers on here at times. Oh, and I hope that Labour do get voted out, if only to see which of you complain about whatever the Liberal or Greens or (God help us) Conservatives do.[/p][/quote]You've missed the point totally... Typical Labour voter... It is simply not logical to have a scheme to reduce the number of vehicles in the city (i.e. Lendal Bridge closure), only then to have a scheme to encourage vehicles into the city (i.e. Free parking).. People have simply lost faith in the current governed council – It is a pathetic show of inconsistent incompetence I think the free parking idea is great – it just makes no sense given the previous anti car policies of ferret hence the criticisms YorkPatrol
  • Score: -110

10:59am Tue 15 Apr 14

piaggio1 says...

Ahhh. Mr green
Resoviour dogs it aint.
Ahhh. Mr green Resoviour dogs it aint. piaggio1
  • Score: -121

11:14am Tue 15 Apr 14

The Grim Reaper says...

And am I to get a "rebate" on the £995.00 per annum that I pay for a parking permit? I make that around £51.00 the council will need to pay me.
And am I to get a "rebate" on the £995.00 per annum that I pay for a parking permit? I make that around £51.00 the council will need to pay me. The Grim Reaper
  • Score: -117

11:15am Tue 15 Apr 14

Just zis guy, you know? says...

Meh.
They can do what they like - I'll continue to take my business to Leeds.
Meh. They can do what they like - I'll continue to take my business to Leeds. Just zis guy, you know?
  • Score: -117

11:38am Tue 15 Apr 14

MrsHoney says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
imassey wrote:
Jeez... once again, nothing but negativity. I get the impression that some of you would only be happy if the council (whichever was in charge) offered to pay for your petrol, drive you in themselves and wash your car while they were waiting for you. One minute it's "I want to use my car" the next it's "I'm being allowed to use my car but not on the terms I want". It's like a primary school full of drivers on here at times. Oh, and I hope that Labour do get voted out, if only to see which of you complain about whatever the Liberal or Greens or (God help us) Conservatives do.
You've missed the point totally... Typical Labour voter...

It is simply not logical to have a scheme to reduce the number of vehicles in the city (i.e. Lendal Bridge closure), only then to have a scheme to encourage vehicles into the city (i.e. Free parking)..

People have simply lost faith in the current governed council – It is a pathetic show of inconsistent incompetence

I think the free parking idea is great – it just makes no sense given the previous anti car policies of ferret hence the criticisms
Precisely! It's the fact it's such a turnabout, it just shows how little thought seems to go into their ideas. Where's the joined up thinking?! If I could go to work on a NICE bus that was reasonably frequent and reliable (and I'm referring to whether busses actually turn up or not) then I would consider giving up the car. Or if the ring road was a dual carriageway then I'd consider using it rather than going through the centre. That's the way forward.
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imassey[/bold] wrote: Jeez... once again, nothing but negativity. I get the impression that some of you would only be happy if the council (whichever was in charge) offered to pay for your petrol, drive you in themselves and wash your car while they were waiting for you. One minute it's "I want to use my car" the next it's "I'm being allowed to use my car but not on the terms I want". It's like a primary school full of drivers on here at times. Oh, and I hope that Labour do get voted out, if only to see which of you complain about whatever the Liberal or Greens or (God help us) Conservatives do.[/p][/quote]You've missed the point totally... Typical Labour voter... It is simply not logical to have a scheme to reduce the number of vehicles in the city (i.e. Lendal Bridge closure), only then to have a scheme to encourage vehicles into the city (i.e. Free parking).. People have simply lost faith in the current governed council – It is a pathetic show of inconsistent incompetence I think the free parking idea is great – it just makes no sense given the previous anti car policies of ferret hence the criticisms[/p][/quote]Precisely! It's the fact it's such a turnabout, it just shows how little thought seems to go into their ideas. Where's the joined up thinking?! If I could go to work on a NICE bus that was reasonably frequent and reliable (and I'm referring to whether busses actually turn up or not) then I would consider giving up the car. Or if the ring road was a dual carriageway then I'd consider using it rather than going through the centre. That's the way forward. MrsHoney
  • Score: -92

11:50am Tue 15 Apr 14

strangebuttrue? says...

There is some logic in what they are doing. PP mentions a scheme designed to fail. Well ever thought that may be the thinking behind it?
We all know that the council have constrained traffic flows in York and without changing that this can only cause chaos in the rush hour.
So what will that do?

Council created congestion will be worse.
Buses will be delayed.
People will be late to work.
Pollution will rise.
The council will say - told you so.

Self engineered prophecy springs to mind.
There is some logic in what they are doing. PP mentions a scheme designed to fail. Well ever thought that may be the thinking behind it? We all know that the council have constrained traffic flows in York and without changing that this can only cause chaos in the rush hour. So what will that do? Council created congestion will be worse. Buses will be delayed. People will be late to work. Pollution will rise. The council will say - told you so. Self engineered prophecy springs to mind. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -59

11:52am Tue 15 Apr 14

mel_drew says...

pedalling paul wrote:
It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park.....
A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders.
Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?
Hmm. I'm guessing they didn't consult with you on this, PP. Looks as if they've abandoned you in their desperate pursuit of self-preservation. They're even chummying up with your despised business leaders.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park..... A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders. Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?[/p][/quote]Hmm. I'm guessing they didn't consult with you on this, PP. Looks as if they've abandoned you in their desperate pursuit of self-preservation. They're even chummying up with your despised business leaders. mel_drew
  • Score: -68

12:01pm Tue 15 Apr 14

skateboarding simon says...

im sure money from the section 106 agreement is supposed to be spent improving inferstructure not for free parking. looks like a a good way of making this money disappear.
im sure money from the section 106 agreement is supposed to be spent improving inferstructure not for free parking. looks like a a good way of making this money disappear. skateboarding simon
  • Score: -66

12:03pm Tue 15 Apr 14

greenmonkey says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
too little too late lads and just trying to placate sinclair and his cronies means nothing to the residents that you ve royally peed off with your anti motorist agendas.if this is meant to somehow placate voters then you are even more stupid than i thought.if merrett had even one ounce of honour or self respect he d be long gone.
For once I actually agree with roskoboskovic! Is this a desperate attempt to balance the books of parking charges from the section 106 money because the Lendal trial was actually working and impacting on car park income? If they think there is a need to bring people into the city centre to shop by driving their car, surely the time to get them there is on a weekday after 9.30am when commuters have cleared the roads and the shops are dead? If there is money to splash around how about free travel on the park and rides between 9.30 -11am? People coming by bus will spend more overall once there as they wont be rushing back at 11am to the car park and are more likely to stay for lunch and make a day of it. I thought this idea was from the business community??
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: too little too late lads and just trying to placate sinclair and his cronies means nothing to the residents that you ve royally peed off with your anti motorist agendas.if this is meant to somehow placate voters then you are even more stupid than i thought.if merrett had even one ounce of honour or self respect he d be long gone.[/p][/quote]For once I actually agree with roskoboskovic! Is this a desperate attempt to balance the books of parking charges from the section 106 money because the Lendal trial was actually working and impacting on car park income? If they think there is a need to bring people into the city centre to shop by driving their car, surely the time to get them there is on a weekday after 9.30am when commuters have cleared the roads and the shops are dead? If there is money to splash around how about free travel on the park and rides between 9.30 -11am? People coming by bus will spend more overall once there as they wont be rushing back at 11am to the car park and are more likely to stay for lunch and make a day of it. I thought this idea was from the business community?? greenmonkey
  • Score: -70

12:08pm Tue 15 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Hit the businesses with reduced time for deliveries, then give them a reason why they should be open earlier.
Hit the businesses with reduced time for deliveries, then give them a reason why they should be open earlier. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -49

12:08pm Tue 15 Apr 14

m dee says...

Sounds a good idea not sure why we would be wanting to park up at 8am would have been better starting 9am when shops open,many Blue/Green badge holders been deterred as seems a hidden policy of taking away disabled bays recently.
Sounds a good idea not sure why we would be wanting to park up at 8am would have been better starting 9am when shops open,many Blue/Green badge holders been deterred as seems a hidden policy of taking away disabled bays recently. m dee
  • Score: -33

12:51pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Ghost of Oscar Deutsch says...

What's with the picture? Reminds me of that Quentin Tarantino film, but not quite.

Reservoir Knobs anyone?
What's with the picture? Reminds me of that Quentin Tarantino film, but not quite. Reservoir Knobs anyone? Ghost of Oscar Deutsch
  • Score: -10

12:59pm Tue 15 Apr 14

tomass says...

What kind of impact will this extra transport have on air quality and the shoppers health?
What kind of impact will this extra transport have on air quality and the shoppers health? tomass
  • Score: -30

1:10pm Tue 15 Apr 14

oi oi savaloy says...

this is absolutely unbelievable!!!
what more proof do you need the merret, alexander and the rest of that bunch are the biggest clowns going????
first they close a bridge to encourage people to use buses and bikes, and then they give free car parking at the most ridiculous time going to encourage people into cars and into the city!!
8a.m. rush hour ??, the shops don't even open till 9a.m.!!
why don't you morons do it 10a.m. till 2p.m.??
you lot really take the biscuit! and maybe one of you hogged the barrel!!??
this is absolutely unbelievable!!! what more proof do you need the merret, alexander and the rest of that bunch are the biggest clowns going???? first they close a bridge to encourage people to use buses and bikes, and then they give free car parking at the most ridiculous time going to encourage people into cars and into the city!! 8a.m. rush hour ??, the shops don't even open till 9a.m.!! why don't you morons do it 10a.m. till 2p.m.?? you lot really take the biscuit! and maybe one of you hogged the barrel!!?? oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -8

1:13pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

tomass wrote:
What kind of impact will this extra transport have on air quality and the shoppers health?
none?? What extra transport are you talking about? the carparks are always full?
[quote][p][bold]tomass[/bold] wrote: What kind of impact will this extra transport have on air quality and the shoppers health?[/p][/quote]none?? What extra transport are you talking about? the carparks are always full? Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -10

1:42pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Koala says...

Surely any decision taken by this Council should be moving the City towards their vision of the future. After spending millions on Park and Ride sites around the outskirts where is the sense in encouraging traffic back into the centre particularly at peak traffic times? Listen to the suggestions made by the people affected by such schemes and come up with ideas to further encourage P & R use.
As a keen supporter of York City I trust the section 106 money mentioned is not coming out of the Community Stadium pot!
Surely any decision taken by this Council should be moving the City towards their vision of the future. After spending millions on Park and Ride sites around the outskirts where is the sense in encouraging traffic back into the centre particularly at peak traffic times? Listen to the suggestions made by the people affected by such schemes and come up with ideas to further encourage P & R use. As a keen supporter of York City I trust the section 106 money mentioned is not coming out of the Community Stadium pot! Koala
  • Score: -17

1:46pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Platform3 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park.....
A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders.
Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?
You could not make this one up. The picture in the Press needs to be in 3D to cope with the two faces for each of the Councillors shown.

Mr Pedalling please note this was a decision taken by the current administration which you have defended to the hilt throughout the Lendal Bridge saga. Suggest that you purchase a hi-viz stab-proof cycling jacket as now they have stabbed you in the back you need to protect yourself from getting stabbed in the front.

Given that you like to tell us how much you know I accept your authoritative comment that they have designed the experiment so that it fails. That is a scandalous way for any administration to proceed. Thank you for alerting us to their attempts to undermine the hard work of the City's commercial community and for confirming the hard core of the ruling group has contempt for the electorate and is hell bent on destructive policies.

Given the conclusions in your post and your constantly professed expertise on City of York Council matters I nominate you the person to lead the complaints to the Local Government for maladministration based on using public money on an "experiment that has been designed to fail" (your words, not mine)!!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park..... A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders. Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?[/p][/quote]You could not make this one up. The picture in the Press needs to be in 3D to cope with the two faces for each of the Councillors shown. Mr Pedalling please note this was a decision taken by the current administration which you have defended to the hilt throughout the Lendal Bridge saga. Suggest that you purchase a hi-viz stab-proof cycling jacket as now they have stabbed you in the back you need to protect yourself from getting stabbed in the front. Given that you like to tell us how much you know I accept your authoritative comment that they have designed the experiment so that it fails. That is a scandalous way for any administration to proceed. Thank you for alerting us to their attempts to undermine the hard work of the City's commercial community and for confirming the hard core of the ruling group has contempt for the electorate and is hell bent on destructive policies. Given the conclusions in your post and your constantly professed expertise on City of York Council matters I nominate you the person to lead the complaints to the Local Government for maladministration based on using public money on an "experiment that has been designed to fail" (your words, not mine)!! Platform3
  • Score: -8

2:00pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Sillybillies says...

JHardacre wrote:
"...funded from section 106 money paid by the developers of the Vanguarde centre at Monks Cross as part of their planning permission agreement. "

In other countries this would be known as a bribe.
I call it blackmail. Won't get me into the city centre, now prefer put of town, thank you.
[quote][p][bold]JHardacre[/bold] wrote: "...funded from section 106 money paid by the developers of the Vanguarde centre at Monks Cross as part of their planning permission agreement. " In other countries this would be known as a bribe.[/p][/quote]I call it blackmail. Won't get me into the city centre, now prefer put of town, thank you. Sillybillies
  • Score: -6

2:26pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Dr Brian says...

It is easy to see why Jimmy no mates and the Ferret are doing this though - the roads will get clogged up bus times will worsen and then whatever measures they bring in to be the "son of Lendal Bridge" will help to skew their figures on how good the new scheme is or whatever their ajenda how much better traffic levels and air levels were when the bridge was closed.

Fools all of em.
It is easy to see why Jimmy no mates and the Ferret are doing this though - the roads will get clogged up bus times will worsen and then whatever measures they bring in to be the "son of Lendal Bridge" will help to skew their figures on how good the new scheme is or whatever their ajenda how much better traffic levels and air levels were when the bridge was closed. Fools all of em. Dr Brian
  • Score: 2

2:29pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

I agree with Original Homer.

How will shoppers pay if they want to park for 3 hours commencing 9.30am - will the machine system be fine tuned for these periods?

If this is for shoppers why not include the Castle Car Park which I think serves elderly shoppers the best. ( I have noticed the bay width of Castle Park parking positions are so inconsistent that motorists have too much space; or worse can not easily access their cars when wishing to leave!)

How many shoppers were approached before this decision was made?

Certainly looks like politics!
I agree with Original Homer. How will shoppers pay if they want to park for 3 hours commencing 9.30am - will the machine system be fine tuned for these periods? If this is for shoppers why not include the Castle Car Park which I think serves elderly shoppers the best. ( I have noticed the bay width of Castle Park parking positions are so inconsistent that motorists have too much space; or worse can not easily access their cars when wishing to leave!) How many shoppers were approached before this decision was made? Certainly looks like politics! Cheeky face
  • Score: -7

3:11pm Tue 15 Apr 14

bloodaxe says...

I am more than ever convinced that the York Conservatives have a large number of subscribers to this site.
I am more than ever convinced that the York Conservatives have a large number of subscribers to this site. bloodaxe
  • Score: -23

3:29pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

" Please vote for us !!! "
" Please vote for us !!! " Pinza-C55
  • Score: -7

3:34pm Tue 15 Apr 14

YorkPatrol says...

bloodaxe wrote:
I am more than ever convinced that the York Conservatives have a large number of subscribers to this site.
Why? Because there is a lot of common sense aired?
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: I am more than ever convinced that the York Conservatives have a large number of subscribers to this site.[/p][/quote]Why? Because there is a lot of common sense aired? YorkPatrol
  • Score: 0

3:38pm Tue 15 Apr 14

eeoodares says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
I am more than ever convinced that the York Conservatives have a large number of subscribers to this site.
Why? Because there is a lot of common sense aired?
Maybe you are a little confused, people genuinely are scared and hate Labour. How do you feel towards them?
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: I am more than ever convinced that the York Conservatives have a large number of subscribers to this site.[/p][/quote]Why? Because there is a lot of common sense aired?[/p][/quote]Maybe you are a little confused, people genuinely are scared and hate Labour. How do you feel towards them? eeoodares
  • Score: -1

4:54pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Ichabod76 says...

Cheeky face wrote:
I agree with Original Homer.

How will shoppers pay if they want to park for 3 hours commencing 9.30am - will the machine system be fine tuned for these periods?

If this is for shoppers why not include the Castle Car Park which I think serves elderly shoppers the best. ( I have noticed the bay width of Castle Park parking positions are so inconsistent that motorists have too much space; or worse can not easily access their cars when wishing to leave!)

How many shoppers were approached before this decision was made?

Certainly looks like politics!
The Castle car park is called Castle Mills and it is included
[quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: I agree with Original Homer. How will shoppers pay if they want to park for 3 hours commencing 9.30am - will the machine system be fine tuned for these periods? If this is for shoppers why not include the Castle Car Park which I think serves elderly shoppers the best. ( I have noticed the bay width of Castle Park parking positions are so inconsistent that motorists have too much space; or worse can not easily access their cars when wishing to leave!) How many shoppers were approached before this decision was made? Certainly looks like politics![/p][/quote]The Castle car park is called Castle Mills and it is included Ichabod76
  • Score: -13

4:57pm Tue 15 Apr 14

greenmonkey says...

"You could not make this one up. The picture in the Press needs to be in 3D to cope with the two faces for each of the Councillors shown." Nice one Platform 3! And YOUWILLDOASISAY " Hit the businesses with reduced time for deliveries, then give them a reason why they should be open earlier." The 'night time economy' review is trying to encourage later opening, now the council is suggesting 'early bird' deals to tie in with this package. You certainly couldn't make it up, though it seems James Dave and Adam have done just that!
"You could not make this one up. The picture in the Press needs to be in 3D to cope with the two faces for each of the Councillors shown." Nice one Platform 3! And YOUWILLDOASISAY " Hit the businesses with reduced time for deliveries, then give them a reason why they should be open earlier." The 'night time economy' review is trying to encourage later opening, now the council is suggesting 'early bird' deals to tie in with this package. You certainly couldn't make it up, though it seems James Dave and Adam have done just that! greenmonkey
  • Score: -6

5:10pm Tue 15 Apr 14

CaroleBaines says...

Micklegate wrote:
Happytoliveinyork wrote:
This is a good idea - though massively at odds with recently labour policy I. York. I'm confused - is this an about turn on policy or the first of many pre-election panic announcements.
It's both
Sounds like a compromise with the trader lobby to me for MX2.
[quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Happytoliveinyork[/bold] wrote: This is a good idea - though massively at odds with recently labour policy I. York. I'm confused - is this an about turn on policy or the first of many pre-election panic announcements.[/p][/quote]It's both[/p][/quote]Sounds like a compromise with the trader lobby to me for MX2. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 0

5:13pm Tue 15 Apr 14

johnwill says...

They just don't get it ! what I would like is not free parking for some of the time but reasonably priced parking all of the time. I've just paid £6 to park in Marygate for my 3 hour visit. Extortionate is the word.
They just don't get it ! what I would like is not free parking for some of the time but reasonably priced parking all of the time. I've just paid £6 to park in Marygate for my 3 hour visit. Extortionate is the word. johnwill
  • Score: -27

5:21pm Tue 15 Apr 14

wildthing666 says...

After a free weekend cost the council in excess of £17,000 this will be a waste of time , I still want my £30 off the council for their corrupt bridge scam
After a free weekend cost the council in excess of £17,000 this will be a waste of time , I still want my £30 off the council for their corrupt bridge scam wildthing666
  • Score: -8

5:22pm Tue 15 Apr 14

imassey says...

eeoodares wrote:
imassey wrote:
Jeez... once again, nothing but negativity.

I get the impression that some of you would only be happy if the council (whichever was in charge) offered to pay for your petrol, drive you in themselves and wash your car while they were waiting for you.

One minute it's "I want to use my car" the next it's "I'm being allowed to use my car but not on the terms I want". It's like a primary school full of drivers on here at times.

Oh, and I hope that Labour do get voted out, if only to see which of you complain about whatever the Liberal or Greens or (God help us) Conservatives do.
Its hard to know where to start with your foolish statement, please go away and have a think about it and come back when you have an answer.
I've thought about. I stand by it.

Feel free to say what you want.
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imassey[/bold] wrote: Jeez... once again, nothing but negativity. I get the impression that some of you would only be happy if the council (whichever was in charge) offered to pay for your petrol, drive you in themselves and wash your car while they were waiting for you. One minute it's "I want to use my car" the next it's "I'm being allowed to use my car but not on the terms I want". It's like a primary school full of drivers on here at times. Oh, and I hope that Labour do get voted out, if only to see which of you complain about whatever the Liberal or Greens or (God help us) Conservatives do.[/p][/quote]Its hard to know where to start with your foolish statement, please go away and have a think about it and come back when you have an answer.[/p][/quote]I've thought about. I stand by it. Feel free to say what you want. imassey
  • Score: 19

5:24pm Tue 15 Apr 14

imassey says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
imassey wrote:
Jeez... once again, nothing but negativity. I get the impression that some of you would only be happy if the council (whichever was in charge) offered to pay for your petrol, drive you in themselves and wash your car while they were waiting for you. One minute it's "I want to use my car" the next it's "I'm being allowed to use my car but not on the terms I want". It's like a primary school full of drivers on here at times. Oh, and I hope that Labour do get voted out, if only to see which of you complain about whatever the Liberal or Greens or (God help us) Conservatives do.
You've missed the point totally... Typical Labour voter...

It is simply not logical to have a scheme to reduce the number of vehicles in the city (i.e. Lendal Bridge closure), only then to have a scheme to encourage vehicles into the city (i.e. Free parking)..

People have simply lost faith in the current governed council – It is a pathetic show of inconsistent incompetence

I think the free parking idea is great – it just makes no sense given the previous anti car policies of ferret hence the criticisms
Just to be clear - I didn't vote for the Labour council, so I can't be that typical.
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imassey[/bold] wrote: Jeez... once again, nothing but negativity. I get the impression that some of you would only be happy if the council (whichever was in charge) offered to pay for your petrol, drive you in themselves and wash your car while they were waiting for you. One minute it's "I want to use my car" the next it's "I'm being allowed to use my car but not on the terms I want". It's like a primary school full of drivers on here at times. Oh, and I hope that Labour do get voted out, if only to see which of you complain about whatever the Liberal or Greens or (God help us) Conservatives do.[/p][/quote]You've missed the point totally... Typical Labour voter... It is simply not logical to have a scheme to reduce the number of vehicles in the city (i.e. Lendal Bridge closure), only then to have a scheme to encourage vehicles into the city (i.e. Free parking).. People have simply lost faith in the current governed council – It is a pathetic show of inconsistent incompetence I think the free parking idea is great – it just makes no sense given the previous anti car policies of ferret hence the criticisms[/p][/quote]Just to be clear - I didn't vote for the Labour council, so I can't be that typical. imassey
  • Score: 16

5:34pm Tue 15 Apr 14

trailblazer says...

How many shops open at 8 am recipe for failure Mayhem MERRETT and Darren Richardson again in partnership the Z team.
How many shops open at 8 am recipe for failure Mayhem MERRETT and Darren Richardson again in partnership the Z team. trailblazer
  • Score: -34

5:35pm Tue 15 Apr 14

MrMr says...

Nice shot York Press.
Use it again on the Friday the 8th of May

"York's latest unemployment causalities head for the Job centre to sign on!"
Nice shot York Press. Use it again on the Friday the 8th of May "York's latest unemployment causalities head for the Job centre to sign on!" MrMr
  • Score: -35

5:43pm Tue 15 Apr 14

MrMr says...

Am I the only one hoping that they may be heading towards the river??
Am I the only one hoping that they may be heading towards the river?? MrMr
  • Score: -43

5:44pm Tue 15 Apr 14

digendelve says...

Aren't they also taking away free evening parking from residents? Give with one hand and take away with the other.
Aren't they also taking away free evening parking from residents? Give with one hand and take away with the other. digendelve
  • Score: -37

6:03pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park.....
A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders.
Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?
Oh pp/Hepworth, what's up mate, didn't JA run this one past you before he the rest of the gang decided to announce it.
I would have thought at least they could have consulted you as you tweeted comiserations to JA & KE and told them to 'keep the faith' after that terrible climb down they had to make over Lendal Bridge, still you know the old saying 'don't set sail in a boat full of holes'.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park..... A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders. Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?[/p][/quote]Oh pp/Hepworth, what's up mate, didn't JA run this one past you before he the rest of the gang decided to announce it. I would have thought at least they could have consulted you as you tweeted comiserations to JA & KE and told them to 'keep the faith' after that terrible climb down they had to make over Lendal Bridge, still you know the old saying 'don't set sail in a boat full of holes'. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -36

6:04pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
Cheeky face wrote:
I agree with Original Homer.

How will shoppers pay if they want to park for 3 hours commencing 9.30am - will the machine system be fine tuned for these periods?

If this is for shoppers why not include the Castle Car Park which I think serves elderly shoppers the best. ( I have noticed the bay width of Castle Park parking positions are so inconsistent that motorists have too much space; or worse can not easily access their cars when wishing to leave!)

How many shoppers were approached before this decision was made?

Certainly looks like politics!
The Castle car park is called Castle Mills and it is included
I think you'll find Castle Mills is across the River Foss from the Castle car park on a different site. Both are included in the scheme.

BTW. More than two hours shopping in the town centre and I'm going loopy. All I could ever want to buy these days is at Clifton Moor, Designer Centre or Monks X. I miss the town centre muggers, junkies, winos and tourists though. Not!
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheeky face[/bold] wrote: I agree with Original Homer. How will shoppers pay if they want to park for 3 hours commencing 9.30am - will the machine system be fine tuned for these periods? If this is for shoppers why not include the Castle Car Park which I think serves elderly shoppers the best. ( I have noticed the bay width of Castle Park parking positions are so inconsistent that motorists have too much space; or worse can not easily access their cars when wishing to leave!) How many shoppers were approached before this decision was made? Certainly looks like politics![/p][/quote]The Castle car park is called Castle Mills and it is included[/p][/quote]I think you'll find Castle Mills is across the River Foss from the Castle car park on a different site. Both are included in the scheme. BTW. More than two hours shopping in the town centre and I'm going loopy. All I could ever want to buy these days is at Clifton Moor, Designer Centre or Monks X. I miss the town centre muggers, junkies, winos and tourists though. Not! Garrowby Turnoff
  • Score: -30

6:25pm Tue 15 Apr 14

australia1 says...

Instead of making it free for 3 days why not reduce the price across the board.
Make the price a simple hourly rate like at Foss Bank Car Park, £1 hour, surely that would satisfy all or is that just too simple solution.
This scheme again over complicates the already stupid parking tariff system.
Instead of making it free for 3 days why not reduce the price across the board. Make the price a simple hourly rate like at Foss Bank Car Park, £1 hour, surely that would satisfy all or is that just too simple solution. This scheme again over complicates the already stupid parking tariff system. australia1
  • Score: -20

9:19pm Tue 15 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park.....
A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders.
Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?
Oh pp/Hepworth, what's up mate, didn't JA run this one past you before he the rest of the gang decided to announce it.
I would have thought at least they could have consulted you as you tweeted comiserations to JA & KE and told them to 'keep the faith' after that terrible climb down they had to make over Lendal Bridge, still you know the old saying 'don't set sail in a boat full of holes'.
Can't speak for PH but I don't do high tech things like Twittering........I stick to Wittering. Too many people tweeting and not looking where they are going. I'm referring to pedestrians of course, who step off pavements in front of me. Mind you I have seen the occasional idiot cyclist and motorist texting on the move as well. They all deserve to end up in court.
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park..... A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders. Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?[/p][/quote]Oh pp/Hepworth, what's up mate, didn't JA run this one past you before he the rest of the gang decided to announce it. I would have thought at least they could have consulted you as you tweeted comiserations to JA & KE and told them to 'keep the faith' after that terrible climb down they had to make over Lendal Bridge, still you know the old saying 'don't set sail in a boat full of holes'.[/p][/quote]Can't speak for PH but I don't do high tech things like Twittering........I stick to Wittering. Too many people tweeting and not looking where they are going. I'm referring to pedestrians of course, who step off pavements in front of me. Mind you I have seen the occasional idiot cyclist and motorist texting on the move as well. They all deserve to end up in court. pedalling paul
  • Score: 32

9:20pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Silver says...

This council's spine is so thin, flip flopping of the highest degree. The fact they are now pandering in the stupidest way. Easy way to make this up to the residents of York, simply apologise for Lendal. You wanted to try something you did it so badly just apologise not pander like this. We've seen through it very easily
This council's spine is so thin, flip flopping of the highest degree. The fact they are now pandering in the stupidest way. Easy way to make this up to the residents of York, simply apologise for Lendal. You wanted to try something you did it so badly just apologise not pander like this. We've seen through it very easily Silver
  • Score: -2

11:14pm Tue 15 Apr 14

ArchieBod says...

What about Sunday mornings? I have to pay to park to go to church for an for
hour before the shops are even open!
What about Sunday mornings? I have to pay to park to go to church for an for hour before the shops are even open! ArchieBod
  • Score: -30

9:44am Wed 16 Apr 14

smudge2 says...

ArchieBod wrote:
What about Sunday mornings? I have to pay to park to go to church for an for
hour before the shops are even open!
Best to do your praying at home then ??
[quote][p][bold]ArchieBod[/bold] wrote: What about Sunday mornings? I have to pay to park to go to church for an for hour before the shops are even open![/p][/quote]Best to do your praying at home then ?? smudge2
  • Score: 0

9:47am Wed 16 Apr 14

smudge2 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park.....
A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders.
Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?
Oh pp/Hepworth, what's up mate, didn't JA run this one past you before he the rest of the gang decided to announce it.
I would have thought at least they could have consulted you as you tweeted comiserations to JA & KE and told them to 'keep the faith' after that terrible climb down they had to make over Lendal Bridge, still you know the old saying 'don't set sail in a boat full of holes'.
Can't speak for PH but I don't do high tech things like Twittering........I stick to Wittering. Too many people tweeting and not looking where they are going. I'm referring to pedestrians of course, who step off pavements in front of me. Mind you I have seen the occasional idiot cyclist and motorist texting on the move as well. They all deserve to end up in court.
And you deserve to be sectioned under the mental health act for your wind up comments.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park..... A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders. Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?[/p][/quote]Oh pp/Hepworth, what's up mate, didn't JA run this one past you before he the rest of the gang decided to announce it. I would have thought at least they could have consulted you as you tweeted comiserations to JA & KE and told them to 'keep the faith' after that terrible climb down they had to make over Lendal Bridge, still you know the old saying 'don't set sail in a boat full of holes'.[/p][/quote]Can't speak for PH but I don't do high tech things like Twittering........I stick to Wittering. Too many people tweeting and not looking where they are going. I'm referring to pedestrians of course, who step off pavements in front of me. Mind you I have seen the occasional idiot cyclist and motorist texting on the move as well. They all deserve to end up in court.[/p][/quote]And you deserve to be sectioned under the mental health act for your wind up comments. smudge2
  • Score: 5

10:05am Wed 16 Apr 14

Ichabod76 says...

Check this out

http://www.minsterfm
.com/news/local/1258
443/exclusive-york-t
ransport-boss-20mph-
e-mails-revealed/

not looking good for dodgy Dave !
Check this out http://www.minsterfm .com/news/local/1258 443/exclusive-york-t ransport-boss-20mph- e-mails-revealed/ not looking good for dodgy Dave ! Ichabod76
  • Score: 4

10:52am Wed 16 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

ArchieBod wrote:
What about Sunday mornings? I have to pay to park to go to church for an for
hour before the shops are even open!
Rid yourself of your absurd belief in an Invisible Man In the Sky and it will save you money.
[quote][p][bold]ArchieBod[/bold] wrote: What about Sunday mornings? I have to pay to park to go to church for an for hour before the shops are even open![/p][/quote]Rid yourself of your absurd belief in an Invisible Man In the Sky and it will save you money. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 5

11:02am Wed 16 Apr 14

the original Homer says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Igiveinthen wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park.....
A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders.
Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?
Oh pp/Hepworth, what's up mate, didn't JA run this one past you before he the rest of the gang decided to announce it.
I would have thought at least they could have consulted you as you tweeted comiserations to JA & KE and told them to 'keep the faith' after that terrible climb down they had to make over Lendal Bridge, still you know the old saying 'don't set sail in a boat full of holes'.
Can't speak for PH but I don't do high tech things like Twittering........I stick to Wittering. Too many people tweeting and not looking where they are going. I'm referring to pedestrians of course, who step off pavements in front of me. Mind you I have seen the occasional idiot cyclist and motorist texting on the move as well. They all deserve to end up in court.
PP can't speak for PH?

Isn't that because PP is just a fictional character, created by PH? He may even be a puppet, in which case it would be PH who had to do all the speaking.

Or maybe PH becomes PP whenever he puts his dayglo "POLITE" vest on. Doe he have to do quick changes when he wants to post using the other name?

Tell us PP - are you real or not?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: It will interesting to compare the consequences of this with the previous free parking trial when we read reports of drivers "going round in circles" looking for somewhere to park..... A deliberate choice of am peak suggests that this experiment has been designed to fail. Personally I hope that it demonstrates the folly of cow towing to Eric Pickles and York's local business leaders. Increasing parking charges closer to the City centre has long been a plank of a sensible transport policy and is deliberately done to maximise take up of free parking at Park & Ride sites. So why undercut this?[/p][/quote]Oh pp/Hepworth, what's up mate, didn't JA run this one past you before he the rest of the gang decided to announce it. I would have thought at least they could have consulted you as you tweeted comiserations to JA & KE and told them to 'keep the faith' after that terrible climb down they had to make over Lendal Bridge, still you know the old saying 'don't set sail in a boat full of holes'.[/p][/quote]Can't speak for PH but I don't do high tech things like Twittering........I stick to Wittering. Too many people tweeting and not looking where they are going. I'm referring to pedestrians of course, who step off pavements in front of me. Mind you I have seen the occasional idiot cyclist and motorist texting on the move as well. They all deserve to end up in court.[/p][/quote]PP can't speak for PH? Isn't that because PP is just a fictional character, created by PH? He may even be a puppet, in which case it would be PH who had to do all the speaking. Or maybe PH becomes PP whenever he puts his dayglo "POLITE" vest on. Doe he have to do quick changes when he wants to post using the other name? Tell us PP - are you real or not? the original Homer
  • Score: 6

11:10am Wed 16 Apr 14

RoseD says...

anth!! wrote:
Sue510 wrote:
That is far too complicated. Occasional users aren't going to know whether it's a free time or not, so it won't make any difference. I don't come to York anymore unless I really have to as the parking charges are so absurd. I don't know anywhere as expensive, and the shops aren't anything special so there's no disadvantage in going somewhere else.
Free parking between 8am & 11am on Wed, Thurs, & Fri, whats complicated about that ?, anyway if you dont come to York anymore it wont affect you will it ?
Idiot. You have made the point. It's free (during rush/lorry time) on Thurs, Fri and Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]anth!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sue510[/bold] wrote: That is far too complicated. Occasional users aren't going to know whether it's a free time or not, so it won't make any difference. I don't come to York anymore unless I really have to as the parking charges are so absurd. I don't know anywhere as expensive, and the shops aren't anything special so there's no disadvantage in going somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Free parking between 8am & 11am on Wed, Thurs, & Fri, whats complicated about that ?, anyway if you dont come to York anymore it wont affect you will it ?[/p][/quote]Idiot. You have made the point. It's free (during rush/lorry time) on Thurs, Fri and Saturday. RoseD
  • Score: 1

11:17am Wed 16 Apr 14

RoseD says...

RoseD wrote:
anth!! wrote:
Sue510 wrote:
That is far too complicated. Occasional users aren't going to know whether it's a free time or not, so it won't make any difference. I don't come to York anymore unless I really have to as the parking charges are so absurd. I don't know anywhere as expensive, and the shops aren't anything special so there's no disadvantage in going somewhere else.
Free parking between 8am & 11am on Wed, Thurs, & Fri, whats complicated about that ?, anyway if you dont come to York anymore it wont affect you will it ?
Idiot. You have made the point. It's free (during rush/lorry time) on Thurs, Fri and Saturday.
Ah, forgive me. Anth!! corrected himself in the next post. I was too quick to judge.
[quote][p][bold]RoseD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anth!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sue510[/bold] wrote: That is far too complicated. Occasional users aren't going to know whether it's a free time or not, so it won't make any difference. I don't come to York anymore unless I really have to as the parking charges are so absurd. I don't know anywhere as expensive, and the shops aren't anything special so there's no disadvantage in going somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Free parking between 8am & 11am on Wed, Thurs, & Fri, whats complicated about that ?, anyway if you dont come to York anymore it wont affect you will it ?[/p][/quote]Idiot. You have made the point. It's free (during rush/lorry time) on Thurs, Fri and Saturday.[/p][/quote]Ah, forgive me. Anth!! corrected himself in the next post. I was too quick to judge. RoseD
  • Score: 2

12:40pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

Can we trust the council to properly programme the ticket machines for 3 days a week/ And will it really work?

I still favour later times or investigate park and ride tariffs.

It still does not make sense as the motorists need to be able to flow-drive; and the traffic lights etc prevent this.

Nevertheless, the problems will still be with us unless a team of sensible and rationalize people investigate all the transport issues and the team listens to everyone!

Is the car park between the Coppergate area and the Law courts (adj Clifford's Tower),out of the free scheme? That is the one I meant; in my earlier comments, sorry if my memory fails me.
Can we trust the council to properly programme the ticket machines for 3 days a week/ And will it really work? I still favour later times or investigate park and ride tariffs. It still does not make sense as the motorists need to be able to flow-drive; and the traffic lights etc prevent this. Nevertheless, the problems will still be with us unless a team of sensible and rationalize people investigate all the transport issues and the team listens to everyone! Is the car park between the Coppergate area and the Law courts (adj Clifford's Tower),out of the free scheme? That is the one I meant; in my earlier comments, sorry if my memory fails me. Cheeky face
  • Score: 2

12:53pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Cheeky face says...

Sue 510 needs to travel more. Brighton sea front locations and London are areas where weekly parking fees exceed motorist's fuel costs as much as 5 fold!

Each council tackles transport and parking differently and should do so; provided it strikes a balance between all the issues under consideration now and an anticipation of future travel culture changes..

(I think Swindon's policy on looking for motorists before issueing parking tickets has merit.Norwich closed two bridges to motor vehicles and had then built two footbridges. Nottingham went back to trams a few years ago)

I think York council could have done more in asking potential shoppers if they agree with the times.

Will Bishopthorpe Rd car park really help city centre shops/businesses?
Sue 510 needs to travel more. Brighton sea front locations and London are areas where weekly parking fees exceed motorist's fuel costs as much as 5 fold! Each council tackles transport and parking differently and should do so; provided it strikes a balance between all the issues under consideration now and an anticipation of future travel culture changes.. (I think Swindon's policy on looking for motorists before issueing parking tickets has merit.Norwich closed two bridges to motor vehicles and had then built two footbridges. Nottingham went back to trams a few years ago) I think York council could have done more in asking potential shoppers if they agree with the times. Will Bishopthorpe Rd car park really help city centre shops/businesses? Cheeky face
  • Score: 2

1:49pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Igiveinthen says...

Ichabod76 wrote:
Check this out http://www.minsterfm .com/news/local/1258 443/exclusive-york-t ransport-boss-20mph- e-mails-revealed/ not looking good for dodgy Dave !
Have just read it, and have saved it as a word document, it just shows what this council get up to.
I think that Semlyen should stick to teaching yoga, and I'm not sure what Merrett could do, any suggestions.
[quote][p][bold]Ichabod76[/bold] wrote: Check this out http://www.minsterfm .com/news/local/1258 443/exclusive-york-t ransport-boss-20mph- e-mails-revealed/ not looking good for dodgy Dave ![/p][/quote]Have just read it, and have saved it as a word document, it just shows what this council get up to. I think that Semlyen should stick to teaching yoga, and I'm not sure what Merrett could do, any suggestions. Igiveinthen
  • Score: 4

4:36pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Fulfordian says...

'Dodgy Dave' has gone. Replaced by Levene. Gone to take up the new portfolio of Environmental Services, Planning and Sustainability.

Karma! :)
'Dodgy Dave' has gone. Replaced by Levene. Gone to take up the new portfolio of Environmental Services, Planning and Sustainability. Karma! :) Fulfordian
  • Score: 4

6:10pm Wed 16 Apr 14

holyroller says...

Sounds like a plan to bump up the traffic statistics for the next time Lendal Bridge closure is raised.
Sounds like a plan to bump up the traffic statistics for the next time Lendal Bridge closure is raised. holyroller
  • Score: 4

11:00am Tue 22 Apr 14

Fabius the Delayer says...

smudge2 wrote:
ArchieBod wrote:
What about Sunday mornings? I have to pay to park to go to church for an for
hour before the shops are even open!
Best to do your praying at home then ??
Render unto Caesar etc……..
[quote][p][bold]smudge2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ArchieBod[/bold] wrote: What about Sunday mornings? I have to pay to park to go to church for an for hour before the shops are even open![/p][/quote]Best to do your praying at home then ??[/p][/quote]Render unto Caesar etc…….. Fabius the Delayer
  • Score: 0

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