Reckless parking in Clifton leads to campaign

York Press: Reckless parking in Clifton leads to campaign Reckless parking in Clifton leads to campaign

PARKED cars left recklessly blocking residential streets have prompted a group of residents in York to plead with the council to take action.

The roads around Clifton have become so bunged up with cars that householders are taking a petition about their concerns to City of York Council.

The Clifton Residents' Association is organising the petition, which will be discussed at a meeting in April before ward councillor Ken King presents it to the council.

Coun King has dubbed the parking situation in Clifton "dangerous, difficult and unsightly" and Residents' Association chairman Marjorie Sharp said the problem has grown worse as more and more households in Clifton got more than one car.

And although the association has tried to help by getting dropped kerbs outside homes so people can use front gardens as driveways, this has not always been possible, she added.

Residential street Burdyke Avenue is particularly badly hit, where it can be difficult for buses to get through, as are streets close to York District Hospital where visitors or staff use the residential streets as an alternative to the hospital's car park.

Mrs Sharp said: "I know of someone on Ratcliffe Street who had to go four streets away to find a space, her street was so full."

There are several ways the problem could be tackled, Coun King and Mrs Sharp said, but the petition calls on council officials come up with whatever solution they think best .

Coun King added: "It may be that we need more parking bays, or it could be another solution, but we leave that to the experts at the council.

"I accept that money is tight at the moment so we need to find a reasonably cheap solution to this problem."

The council's Traffic Netowrk Manager Alistair Briggs agrees there is a problem for people in the area. He said: “We are currently investigating ways to help resolve parking problems in the area of Burdyke Avenue, and whether we’re able to put forward restrictions such as yellow lines to ensure the road can be used for normal through traffic."

Dangerously parked vehicles should be reported to the police, he added.

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10:04am Tue 25 Mar 14

twoleftfeet says...

"The roads around Clifton have become so BUNGED up with cars that householders are taking a petition about their concerns to City of York Council."

Great use of the english language.......
"The roads around Clifton have become so BUNGED up with cars that householders are taking a petition about their concerns to City of York Council." Great use of the english language....... twoleftfeet
  • Score: -57

10:43am Tue 25 Mar 14

Rankled says...

In the news next week: Clifton Residents' Association brands residents' parking permits draconian and expensive, Ken King claims poverty on the rise in Clifton.
In the news next week: Clifton Residents' Association brands residents' parking permits draconian and expensive, Ken King claims poverty on the rise in Clifton. Rankled
  • Score: -9

10:54am Tue 25 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents.

This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households.

Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars.

Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.
Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents. This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households. Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars. Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -38

11:40am Tue 25 Mar 14

Platform9 says...

Speed humps installed down Kingsway North now mean that traffic that used the Acomb to Haxby Road route now go via Burdyke Ave to avoid these hazards (hazards as in damage to the cars tracking etc). Traffic has also increased over the past 6mths at the same time as Lendal Bridge closures took effect (surprise surprise!).

As a resident of Burdyke I have seen the chaos caused as well as witnessed several cars and taxi's driving along the grassed areas and footpaths trying to avoid the queued up traffic. First York can also take some of the blame as they just plonk their bus in the middle of the road and expect everyone else to make way for them.

Maisonettes on one side of the road mean that no driveways are installed, however there is a large grassed area in front of them that could be turned into parking bays as they have constructed at the top end of the street.
Speed humps installed down Kingsway North now mean that traffic that used the Acomb to Haxby Road route now go via Burdyke Ave to avoid these hazards (hazards as in damage to the cars tracking etc). Traffic has also increased over the past 6mths at the same time as Lendal Bridge closures took effect (surprise surprise!). As a resident of Burdyke I have seen the chaos caused as well as witnessed several cars and taxi's driving along the grassed areas and footpaths trying to avoid the queued up traffic. First York can also take some of the blame as they just plonk their bus in the middle of the road and expect everyone else to make way for them. Maisonettes on one side of the road mean that no driveways are installed, however there is a large grassed area in front of them that could be turned into parking bays as they have constructed at the top end of the street. Platform9
  • Score: -4

12:05pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Tom6187 says...

I used to work at York Hospital and this is caused by the Hospital and it's parking policy.

If you are a shift worker you can get a parking pass which allows you to park in the staff car park but the spaces are very limited. But if you don't work shifts you are not eligible for a pass. Staff park around Bootham and Clifton en masse as a result.

The Hospital have a special car park for people deemed to be important enough, management etc and that car park is the one that you see to the front of the Hospital next to the multi storey visitors car park. This exclusive car park is very rarely full and it's a huge waste of parking spaces, just so they can have a vanity car park for the elite.

The Hospital need to take responsibility for this parking mess, and I do feel sorry for anyone living next to the Hospital, I felt guilty parking outside peoples houses myself.
I used to work at York Hospital and this is caused by the Hospital and it's parking policy. If you are a shift worker you can get a parking pass which allows you to park in the staff car park but the spaces are very limited. But if you don't work shifts you are not eligible for a pass. Staff park around Bootham and Clifton en masse as a result. The Hospital have a special car park for people deemed to be important enough, management etc and that car park is the one that you see to the front of the Hospital next to the multi storey visitors car park. This exclusive car park is very rarely full and it's a huge waste of parking spaces, just so they can have a vanity car park for the elite. The Hospital need to take responsibility for this parking mess, and I do feel sorry for anyone living next to the Hospital, I felt guilty parking outside peoples houses myself. Tom6187
  • Score: 38

12:29pm Tue 25 Mar 14

wallman says...

Tom6187 wrote:
I used to work at York Hospital and this is caused by the Hospital and it's parking policy.

If you are a shift worker you can get a parking pass which allows you to park in the staff car park but the spaces are very limited. But if you don't work shifts you are not eligible for a pass. Staff park around Bootham and Clifton en masse as a result.

The Hospital have a special car park for people deemed to be important enough, management etc and that car park is the one that you see to the front of the Hospital next to the multi storey visitors car park. This exclusive car park is very rarely full and it's a huge waste of parking spaces, just so they can have a vanity car park for the elite.

The Hospital need to take responsibility for this parking mess, and I do feel sorry for anyone living next to the Hospital, I felt guilty parking outside peoples houses myself.
what aload of rubbish you wrote tom blaming the hospital for the parking mess in Burdyke ave.
[quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: I used to work at York Hospital and this is caused by the Hospital and it's parking policy. If you are a shift worker you can get a parking pass which allows you to park in the staff car park but the spaces are very limited. But if you don't work shifts you are not eligible for a pass. Staff park around Bootham and Clifton en masse as a result. The Hospital have a special car park for people deemed to be important enough, management etc and that car park is the one that you see to the front of the Hospital next to the multi storey visitors car park. This exclusive car park is very rarely full and it's a huge waste of parking spaces, just so they can have a vanity car park for the elite. The Hospital need to take responsibility for this parking mess, and I do feel sorry for anyone living next to the Hospital, I felt guilty parking outside peoples houses myself.[/p][/quote]what aload of rubbish you wrote tom blaming the hospital for the parking mess in Burdyke ave. wallman
  • Score: -28

12:50pm Tue 25 Mar 14

yorkandproud says...

twoleftfeet wrote:
"The roads around Clifton have become so BUNGED up with cars that householders are taking a petition about their concerns to City of York Council."

Great use of the english language.......
Kettle calling the pan, and all that mate, but the word English should always have a capital letter shouldn't it.
[quote][p][bold]twoleftfeet[/bold] wrote: "The roads around Clifton have become so BUNGED up with cars that householders are taking a petition about their concerns to City of York Council." Great use of the english language.......[/p][/quote]Kettle calling the pan, and all that mate, but the word English should always have a capital letter shouldn't it. yorkandproud
  • Score: 8

12:50pm Tue 25 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Traffic Netowrk Manager Alistair Briggs' comment at the end is nonsensical. The problem is lack of car parking spaces. To put in double yellows does not resolve the problem - it makes it worse!!
Traffic Netowrk Manager Alistair Briggs' comment at the end is nonsensical. The problem is lack of car parking spaces. To put in double yellows does not resolve the problem - it makes it worse!! AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 19

12:51pm Tue 25 Mar 14

yorkshirelad says...

First, to be clear, the story appears to be about poor parking, not simply parking per se. If this is the case - blocking streets, parking too near junctions, parking on pavements or verges, damaging verges etc then existing laws should be used.

But for parking in general, we need to get back to basics about car use. Endless problems will continue until we smell the coffee and wake up on this.

I reckon at most workplaces there are 3 groups who drive cars/vans...
a) No practical alternative to using a car or van.
b) Could use public transport/walk/cycle much of the time with some effort/adjustment
c) Could easily use public transport, walk or cycle.

Frankly, there are far to many in b and c who drive to work (probably because they *think* they are in a). We need all the carrots (and maybe some of the sticks) to help the b and c group make the change.

Blaming workplaces...and goodness me, especially the hospital - awash with cars, is missing the point totally. We'll grind to a halt unless we change.
First, to be clear, the story appears to be about poor parking, not simply parking per se. If this is the case - blocking streets, parking too near junctions, parking on pavements or verges, damaging verges etc then existing laws should be used. But for parking in general, we need to get back to basics about car use. Endless problems will continue until we smell the coffee and wake up on this. I reckon at most workplaces there are 3 groups who drive cars/vans... a) No practical alternative to using a car or van. b) Could use public transport/walk/cycle much of the time with some effort/adjustment c) Could easily use public transport, walk or cycle. Frankly, there are far to many in b and c who drive to work (probably because they *think* they are in a). We need all the carrots (and maybe some of the sticks) to help the b and c group make the change. Blaming workplaces...and goodness me, especially the hospital - awash with cars, is missing the point totally. We'll grind to a halt unless we change. yorkshirelad
  • Score: 10

1:05pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Teabag1 says...

Kerbs need to be dropped down burdyke its been a nightmare for a long time, probably worse now because more people are cutting through to avoid the traffic build up at the shipton road / clifton green roundabout, brought on by LENDAL BRIDGE.
Kerbs need to be dropped down burdyke its been a nightmare for a long time, probably worse now because more people are cutting through to avoid the traffic build up at the shipton road / clifton green roundabout, brought on by LENDAL BRIDGE. Teabag1
  • Score: -1

1:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ZachCohen says...

Having driven and cycled down her on many occasions it i clear that the issue is there mybe only three recessed parking spaces for every 12 or so Maisonettes on the North side of the Road. If there was recessed parking all the way down the street. The carraigeway would be cleared and the problems would be gone.

But wait... this solution would cost more than getting the Yellow Paint pot out from the cupboard. It would also mean using some logic which this council lacks.
Having driven and cycled down her on many occasions it i clear that the issue is there mybe only three recessed parking spaces for every 12 or so Maisonettes on the North side of the Road. If there was recessed parking all the way down the street. The carraigeway would be cleared and the problems would be gone. But wait... this solution would cost more than getting the Yellow Paint pot out from the cupboard. It would also mean using some logic which this council lacks. ZachCohen
  • Score: 10

1:43pm Tue 25 Mar 14

maybejustmaybe says...

wallman wrote:
Tom6187 wrote:
I used to work at York Hospital and this is caused by the Hospital and it's parking policy.

If you are a shift worker you can get a parking pass which allows you to park in the staff car park but the spaces are very limited. But if you don't work shifts you are not eligible for a pass. Staff park around Bootham and Clifton en masse as a result.

The Hospital have a special car park for people deemed to be important enough, management etc and that car park is the one that you see to the front of the Hospital next to the multi storey visitors car park. This exclusive car park is very rarely full and it's a huge waste of parking spaces, just so they can have a vanity car park for the elite.

The Hospital need to take responsibility for this parking mess, and I do feel sorry for anyone living next to the Hospital, I felt guilty parking outside peoples houses myself.
what aload of rubbish you wrote tom blaming the hospital for the parking mess in Burdyke ave.
He isn't, he is making a comment about the line in the 6th paragraph mentioning York hospital. As a resident of one of Toms free parking streets, it annoys the s£$t out of me, but without residents permit parking I just suck it up. The worst culprits are those who park their car in the middle of 2 spaces, because they cant be bothered to park considerately! Rant over.
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: I used to work at York Hospital and this is caused by the Hospital and it's parking policy. If you are a shift worker you can get a parking pass which allows you to park in the staff car park but the spaces are very limited. But if you don't work shifts you are not eligible for a pass. Staff park around Bootham and Clifton en masse as a result. The Hospital have a special car park for people deemed to be important enough, management etc and that car park is the one that you see to the front of the Hospital next to the multi storey visitors car park. This exclusive car park is very rarely full and it's a huge waste of parking spaces, just so they can have a vanity car park for the elite. The Hospital need to take responsibility for this parking mess, and I do feel sorry for anyone living next to the Hospital, I felt guilty parking outside peoples houses myself.[/p][/quote]what aload of rubbish you wrote tom blaming the hospital for the parking mess in Burdyke ave.[/p][/quote]He isn't, he is making a comment about the line in the 6th paragraph mentioning York hospital. As a resident of one of Toms free parking streets, it annoys the s£$t out of me, but without residents permit parking I just suck it up. The worst culprits are those who park their car in the middle of 2 spaces, because they cant be bothered to park considerately! Rant over. maybejustmaybe
  • Score: 13

1:43pm Tue 25 Mar 14

YorkShrimper says...

wallman wrote:
Tom6187 wrote:
I used to work at York Hospital and this is caused by the Hospital and it's parking policy.

If you are a shift worker you can get a parking pass which allows you to park in the staff car park but the spaces are very limited. But if you don't work shifts you are not eligible for a pass. Staff park around Bootham and Clifton en masse as a result.

The Hospital have a special car park for people deemed to be important enough, management etc and that car park is the one that you see to the front of the Hospital next to the multi storey visitors car park. This exclusive car park is very rarely full and it's a huge waste of parking spaces, just so they can have a vanity car park for the elite.

The Hospital need to take responsibility for this parking mess, and I do feel sorry for anyone living next to the Hospital, I felt guilty parking outside peoples houses myself.
what aload of rubbish you wrote tom blaming the hospital for the parking mess in Burdyke ave.
Re-read paragraph 6 and maybe you'll understand why wallman has posted about parking near the hospital.
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tom6187[/bold] wrote: I used to work at York Hospital and this is caused by the Hospital and it's parking policy. If you are a shift worker you can get a parking pass which allows you to park in the staff car park but the spaces are very limited. But if you don't work shifts you are not eligible for a pass. Staff park around Bootham and Clifton en masse as a result. The Hospital have a special car park for people deemed to be important enough, management etc and that car park is the one that you see to the front of the Hospital next to the multi storey visitors car park. This exclusive car park is very rarely full and it's a huge waste of parking spaces, just so they can have a vanity car park for the elite. The Hospital need to take responsibility for this parking mess, and I do feel sorry for anyone living next to the Hospital, I felt guilty parking outside peoples houses myself.[/p][/quote]what aload of rubbish you wrote tom blaming the hospital for the parking mess in Burdyke ave.[/p][/quote]Re-read paragraph 6 and maybe you'll understand why wallman has posted about parking near the hospital. YorkShrimper
  • Score: 7

1:46pm Tue 25 Mar 14

carpon says...

Reading some of the comments - don't bother the Police regarding parking opposite a junction , within 30 ft of a junction or parking on a footpath , as they will be to busy and will tell you that they have to "Prioritise" work . I have only waited 13 years for the Highway code to be inforced. Wish I was able to get away with paying the tax on my car for the same period .
Reading some of the comments - don't bother the Police regarding parking opposite a junction , within 30 ft of a junction or parking on a footpath , as they will be to busy and will tell you that they have to "Prioritise" work . I have only waited 13 years for the Highway code to be inforced. Wish I was able to get away with paying the tax on my car for the same period . carpon
  • Score: 7

3:07pm Tue 25 Mar 14

wildthing666 says...

All the streets of Clifton have got worse over the years some will even park, partially over driveways, when I lived in Clifton people just parked where they liked including over others driveways.
All the streets of Clifton have got worse over the years some will even park, partially over driveways, when I lived in Clifton people just parked where they liked including over others driveways. wildthing666
  • Score: 6

3:18pm Tue 25 Mar 14

YorkTraveller says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents.

This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households.

Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars.

Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.
The real cause of the problem was that the council issued warning letters to residents about parking on the verges - so there is now more parking on the road which is causing problems to the buses.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents. This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households. Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars. Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.[/p][/quote]The real cause of the problem was that the council issued warning letters to residents about parking on the verges - so there is now more parking on the road which is causing problems to the buses. YorkTraveller
  • Score: 5

3:30pm Tue 25 Mar 14

yorkshirelad says...

Should we be happy to have grass verges ploughed up outside our houses? Or to have pavements blocked by cars?

Perhaps we all think that we wouldn't trash our own neighbourhood with pavement parking and churning up verges...but it's OK if it's other people's.
Should we be happy to have grass verges ploughed up outside our houses? Or to have pavements blocked by cars? Perhaps we all think that we wouldn't trash our own neighbourhood with pavement parking and churning up verges...but it's OK if it's other people's. yorkshirelad
  • Score: 2

4:58pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Yeller Belly says...

Close Clifton Bridge and build a park and ride on Burdyke Avenue. .
Close Clifton Bridge and build a park and ride on Burdyke Avenue. . Yeller Belly
  • Score: 7

5:16pm Tue 25 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

YorkTraveller wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents.

This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households.

Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars.

Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.
The real cause of the problem was that the council issued warning letters to residents about parking on the verges - so there is now more parking on the road which is causing problems to the buses.
Hence they are legally parked.
[quote][p][bold]YorkTraveller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents. This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households. Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars. Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.[/p][/quote]The real cause of the problem was that the council issued warning letters to residents about parking on the verges - so there is now more parking on the road which is causing problems to the buses.[/p][/quote]Hence they are legally parked. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -5

5:30pm Tue 25 Mar 14

YorkTraveller says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
YorkTraveller wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents.

This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households.

Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars.

Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.
The real cause of the problem was that the council issued warning letters to residents about parking on the verges - so there is now more parking on the road which is causing problems to the buses.
Hence they are legally parked.
Clearly not if they are causing an obstruction. The cause of the problem is the lack of availability of suitable parking spaces that do not obstruct the other users of the road rather than anything to do with your pet hate.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkTraveller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents. This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households. Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars. Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.[/p][/quote]The real cause of the problem was that the council issued warning letters to residents about parking on the verges - so there is now more parking on the road which is causing problems to the buses.[/p][/quote]Hence they are legally parked.[/p][/quote]Clearly not if they are causing an obstruction. The cause of the problem is the lack of availability of suitable parking spaces that do not obstruct the other users of the road rather than anything to do with your pet hate. YorkTraveller
  • Score: -2

5:33pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Caecilius says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents.

This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households.

Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars.

Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.
Nonsense. The problem on Burdyke Avenue is of long standing, as anyone who catches the No 6 bus through there could testify. Houses on one side of the street have no drives, and some of the residents park on the road (others use the grass verge). Houses on the other side do have drives, which, in some cases, the residents find it too much bother to park on - so they use the street as well. Nobody's said the parking's illegal: what they're saying is that it obstructs the road, and it's been doing so since long before the restrictions on Lendal Bridge were in place. I was using Burdyke Avenue back then, and the traffic was just as heavy as it is now - as the appalling state of the road surface testifies. The real cause of the problem is what it usually is: more cars on the road than there's room for.

The individual who regularly parks his or her SUV on the approach to the pelican crossing at the end of Crichton Avenue IS breaking the law, however.
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents. This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households. Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars. Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. The problem on Burdyke Avenue is of long standing, as anyone who catches the No 6 bus through there could testify. Houses on one side of the street have no drives, and some of the residents park on the road (others use the grass verge). Houses on the other side do have drives, which, in some cases, the residents find it too much bother to park on - so they use the street as well. Nobody's said the parking's illegal: what they're saying is that it obstructs the road, and it's been doing so since long before the restrictions on Lendal Bridge were in place. I was using Burdyke Avenue back then, and the traffic was just as heavy as it is now - as the appalling state of the road surface testifies. The real cause of the problem is what it usually is: more cars on the road than there's room for. The individual who regularly parks his or her SUV on the approach to the pelican crossing at the end of Crichton Avenue IS breaking the law, however. Caecilius
  • Score: 0

5:57pm Tue 25 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

YorkTraveller wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
YorkTraveller wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents.

This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households.

Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars.

Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.
The real cause of the problem was that the council issued warning letters to residents about parking on the verges - so there is now more parking on the road which is causing problems to the buses.
Hence they are legally parked.
Clearly not if they are causing an obstruction. The cause of the problem is the lack of availability of suitable parking spaces that do not obstruct the other users of the road rather than anything to do with your pet hate.
No parking restrictions.
[quote][p][bold]YorkTraveller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkTraveller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents. This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households. Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars. Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.[/p][/quote]The real cause of the problem was that the council issued warning letters to residents about parking on the verges - so there is now more parking on the road which is causing problems to the buses.[/p][/quote]Hence they are legally parked.[/p][/quote]Clearly not if they are causing an obstruction. The cause of the problem is the lack of availability of suitable parking spaces that do not obstruct the other users of the road rather than anything to do with your pet hate.[/p][/quote]No parking restrictions. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -17

6:03pm Tue 25 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Caecilius wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents.

This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households.

Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars.

Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.
Nonsense. The problem on Burdyke Avenue is of long standing, as anyone who catches the No 6 bus through there could testify. Houses on one side of the street have no drives, and some of the residents park on the road (others use the grass verge). Houses on the other side do have drives, which, in some cases, the residents find it too much bother to park on - so they use the street as well. Nobody's said the parking's illegal: what they're saying is that it obstructs the road, and it's been doing so since long before the restrictions on Lendal Bridge were in place. I was using Burdyke Avenue back then, and the traffic was just as heavy as it is now - as the appalling state of the road surface testifies. The real cause of the problem is what it usually is: more cars on the road than there's room for.

The individual who regularly parks his or her SUV on the approach to the pelican crossing at the end of Crichton Avenue IS breaking the law, however.
Platform9 says...

Speed humps installed down Kingsway North now mean that traffic that used the Acomb to Haxby Road route now go via Burdyke Ave to avoid these hazards (hazards as in damage to the cars tracking etc). Traffic has also increased over the past 6mths at the same time as Lendal Bridge closures took effect (surprise surprise!).

I think we will have to agree to disagree on the point of more traffic.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents. This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households. Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars. Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. The problem on Burdyke Avenue is of long standing, as anyone who catches the No 6 bus through there could testify. Houses on one side of the street have no drives, and some of the residents park on the road (others use the grass verge). Houses on the other side do have drives, which, in some cases, the residents find it too much bother to park on - so they use the street as well. Nobody's said the parking's illegal: what they're saying is that it obstructs the road, and it's been doing so since long before the restrictions on Lendal Bridge were in place. I was using Burdyke Avenue back then, and the traffic was just as heavy as it is now - as the appalling state of the road surface testifies. The real cause of the problem is what it usually is: more cars on the road than there's room for. The individual who regularly parks his or her SUV on the approach to the pelican crossing at the end of Crichton Avenue IS breaking the law, however.[/p][/quote]Platform9 says... Speed humps installed down Kingsway North now mean that traffic that used the Acomb to Haxby Road route now go via Burdyke Ave to avoid these hazards (hazards as in damage to the cars tracking etc). Traffic has also increased over the past 6mths at the same time as Lendal Bridge closures took effect (surprise surprise!). I think we will have to agree to disagree on the point of more traffic. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -60

6:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

How incredibly feeble, weak and threatened the Mark-Down Mongrels must be.

Crack on, a few reports to do today.

Woof, Woof.
How incredibly feeble, weak and threatened the Mark-Down Mongrels must be. Crack on, a few reports to do today. Woof, Woof. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -44

6:40pm Tue 25 Mar 14

YorkTraveller says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
YorkTraveller wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
YorkTraveller wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents.

This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households.

Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars.

Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.
The real cause of the problem was that the council issued warning letters to residents about parking on the verges - so there is now more parking on the road which is causing problems to the buses.
Hence they are legally parked.
Clearly not if they are causing an obstruction. The cause of the problem is the lack of availability of suitable parking spaces that do not obstruct the other users of the road rather than anything to do with your pet hate.
No parking restrictions.
You are mistaken - the lack of parking restrictions is no excuse:
Highway Code:
Para 242
You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road.
Laws RTA 1988, sect 22 & CUR reg 103
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkTraveller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkTraveller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents. This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households. Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars. Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.[/p][/quote]The real cause of the problem was that the council issued warning letters to residents about parking on the verges - so there is now more parking on the road which is causing problems to the buses.[/p][/quote]Hence they are legally parked.[/p][/quote]Clearly not if they are causing an obstruction. The cause of the problem is the lack of availability of suitable parking spaces that do not obstruct the other users of the road rather than anything to do with your pet hate.[/p][/quote]No parking restrictions.[/p][/quote]You are mistaken - the lack of parking restrictions is no excuse: Highway Code: Para 242 You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road. Laws RTA 1988, sect 22 & CUR reg 103 YorkTraveller
  • Score: 0

6:47pm Tue 25 Mar 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Caecilius wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents.

This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households.

Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars.

Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.
Nonsense. The problem on Burdyke Avenue is of long standing, as anyone who catches the No 6 bus through there could testify. Houses on one side of the street have no drives, and some of the residents park on the road (others use the grass verge). Houses on the other side do have drives, which, in some cases, the residents find it too much bother to park on - so they use the street as well. Nobody's said the parking's illegal: what they're saying is that it obstructs the road, and it's been doing so since long before the restrictions on Lendal Bridge were in place. I was using Burdyke Avenue back then, and the traffic was just as heavy as it is now - as the appalling state of the road surface testifies. The real cause of the problem is what it usually is: more cars on the road than there's room for.

The individual who regularly parks his or her SUV on the approach to the pelican crossing at the end of Crichton Avenue IS breaking the law, however.
as are streets close to York District Hospital where visitors or staff use the residential streets as an alternative to the hospital's car park.

and not forgetting the students with 3 maybe 4 cars per terraced house.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents. This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households. Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars. Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.[/p][/quote]Nonsense. The problem on Burdyke Avenue is of long standing, as anyone who catches the No 6 bus through there could testify. Houses on one side of the street have no drives, and some of the residents park on the road (others use the grass verge). Houses on the other side do have drives, which, in some cases, the residents find it too much bother to park on - so they use the street as well. Nobody's said the parking's illegal: what they're saying is that it obstructs the road, and it's been doing so since long before the restrictions on Lendal Bridge were in place. I was using Burdyke Avenue back then, and the traffic was just as heavy as it is now - as the appalling state of the road surface testifies. The real cause of the problem is what it usually is: more cars on the road than there's room for. The individual who regularly parks his or her SUV on the approach to the pelican crossing at the end of Crichton Avenue IS breaking the law, however.[/p][/quote]as are streets close to York District Hospital where visitors or staff use the residential streets as an alternative to the hospital's car park. and not forgetting the students with 3 maybe 4 cars per terraced house. oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 3

6:47pm Tue 25 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

YorkTraveller wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
YorkTraveller wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
YorkTraveller wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents.

This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households.

Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars.

Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.
The real cause of the problem was that the council issued warning letters to residents about parking on the verges - so there is now more parking on the road which is causing problems to the buses.
Hence they are legally parked.
Clearly not if they are causing an obstruction. The cause of the problem is the lack of availability of suitable parking spaces that do not obstruct the other users of the road rather than anything to do with your pet hate.
No parking restrictions.
You are mistaken - the lack of parking restrictions is no excuse:
Highway Code:
Para 242
You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road.
Laws RTA 1988, sect 22 & CUR reg 103
So your suggestion every vehicle is parked either in a dangerous position or causing an unnecessary obstruction.

I suppose it depends on what you want the end result to be as far as the perception goes, probably every street in residential areas of York is at risk of being judged in this way depending on peoples pet hates.
[quote][p][bold]YorkTraveller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkTraveller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkTraveller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Wow, one of the new through routes to Clifton Bridge (un-restricted) becomes the focus of a parking problem caused by reckless residents. This wasn't a problem last year at this time and I can't believe the residents of Burdyke Avenue have all recently become 2 car households. Cause and effect, compress the traffic network and a few (legally) parked cars on a newly enforced through route becomes an issue, but "hey" blame the residents, after all they own the cars. Stop blaming residents and look at the real cause of the problem.[/p][/quote]The real cause of the problem was that the council issued warning letters to residents about parking on the verges - so there is now more parking on the road which is causing problems to the buses.[/p][/quote]Hence they are legally parked.[/p][/quote]Clearly not if they are causing an obstruction. The cause of the problem is the lack of availability of suitable parking spaces that do not obstruct the other users of the road rather than anything to do with your pet hate.[/p][/quote]No parking restrictions.[/p][/quote]You are mistaken - the lack of parking restrictions is no excuse: Highway Code: Para 242 You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road. Laws RTA 1988, sect 22 & CUR reg 103[/p][/quote]So your suggestion every vehicle is parked either in a dangerous position or causing an unnecessary obstruction. I suppose it depends on what you want the end result to be as far as the perception goes, probably every street in residential areas of York is at risk of being judged in this way depending on peoples pet hates. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -31

7:03pm Tue 25 Mar 14

inthesticks says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
First, to be clear, the story appears to be about poor parking, not simply parking per se. If this is the case - blocking streets, parking too near junctions, parking on pavements or verges, damaging verges etc then existing laws should be used.

But for parking in general, we need to get back to basics about car use. Endless problems will continue until we smell the coffee and wake up on this.

I reckon at most workplaces there are 3 groups who drive cars/vans...
a) No practical alternative to using a car or van.
b) Could use public transport/walk/cycle much of the time with some effort/adjustment
c) Could easily use public transport, walk or cycle.

Frankly, there are far to many in b and c who drive to work (probably because they *think* they are in a). We need all the carrots (and maybe some of the sticks) to help the b and c group make the change.

Blaming workplaces...and goodness me, especially the hospital - awash with cars, is missing the point totally. We'll grind to a halt unless we change.
I think you are a bit too with your A B and C and then your comment about the hospital; Not much in the way of public transport around at 6ish in the mornings, and people come for miles from Leeds and Selby etc to work here. See, not so easy is it?
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: First, to be clear, the story appears to be about poor parking, not simply parking per se. If this is the case - blocking streets, parking too near junctions, parking on pavements or verges, damaging verges etc then existing laws should be used. But for parking in general, we need to get back to basics about car use. Endless problems will continue until we smell the coffee and wake up on this. I reckon at most workplaces there are 3 groups who drive cars/vans... a) No practical alternative to using a car or van. b) Could use public transport/walk/cycle much of the time with some effort/adjustment c) Could easily use public transport, walk or cycle. Frankly, there are far to many in b and c who drive to work (probably because they *think* they are in a). We need all the carrots (and maybe some of the sticks) to help the b and c group make the change. Blaming workplaces...and goodness me, especially the hospital - awash with cars, is missing the point totally. We'll grind to a halt unless we change.[/p][/quote]I think you are a bit too with your A B and C and then your comment about the hospital; Not much in the way of public transport around at 6ish in the mornings, and people come for miles from Leeds and Selby etc to work here. See, not so easy is it? inthesticks
  • Score: 2

7:32pm Tue 25 Mar 14

big boy york says...

it was the same up fulford with staff from minster law n tsys parking where they wanted maple ave became resident parking only
it was the same up fulford with staff from minster law n tsys parking where they wanted maple ave became resident parking only big boy york
  • Score: 1

9:56pm Tue 25 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

Amazing how car users blame everyone and everything except themselves, for the problems created by optional use of their vehicles. When you buy a car, you don't also buy an open road or a parking space. Simple!
Amazing how car users blame everyone and everything except themselves, for the problems created by optional use of their vehicles. When you buy a car, you don't also buy an open road or a parking space. Simple! pedalling paul
  • Score: 82

10:56pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Happy Chappie says...

Good idea to drop the kurbs but exits will then be blocked by inconsiderate parking thus preventing getting in/getting out.
Good idea to drop the kurbs but exits will then be blocked by inconsiderate parking thus preventing getting in/getting out. Happy Chappie
  • Score: 1

4:07am Wed 26 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

The main focus of the issue is Burdyke Avenue, which for most of the day is terrible to get down - even on a bike. The road is served by one of the most frequent bus routes in the city, and yet the bus' progress is hindered daily by people parking in stupid places. IF there is a car parked on one side of the road, is it really wise to park directly opposite it, or diagonally opposite it so there is only clearance between the vehicles of 1.8m, or less if there's traffic queued up behind the second parked vehicle meaning a bus cannot go through the gap diagonally? Likewise it is really a wise idea to park your car on the end of a line that already has several parked cars along it, thereby creating a single width corridor right where Burdyke goes around the corner so that traffic coming one way cannot see if traffic is coming straight at them in the single-width corridor section?

Whilst there are cars parked there that belong to the people in the flats on one side, there are also a number of cars parked on the street belonging to the houses on the other side that have perfectly fine driveways which aren't being utilised.

If we want more people to use the bus, we need to speed up journeys - and roads like Burdyke need to be sorted. The ideal solution would be to take the wide strip of verge on the side of the road where the flats are and put in parking bays the full length of the road (unless lamp posts are in the way) - and then use 'red route' markings on the side of the road where the houses are along with fitting the plastic grid mesh which can support the weight of a car over the grass verge on that side and put up signs stating that visiting vehicles may park on the verge (the plastic grids would take the weight whilst allowing the grass to grow up, and so the verge would stay green and not end up looking like the Somme). I would also suggest taking a small strip of green from either Kingsway North or Burton Green so as to form a parking area for members of the church so they don't end up blocking Burdyke Avenue either.
The main focus of the issue is Burdyke Avenue, which for most of the day is terrible to get down - even on a bike. The road is served by one of the most frequent bus routes in the city, and yet the bus' progress is hindered daily by people parking in stupid places. IF there is a car parked on one side of the road, is it really wise to park directly opposite it, or diagonally opposite it so there is only clearance between the vehicles of 1.8m, or less if there's traffic queued up behind the second parked vehicle meaning a bus cannot go through the gap diagonally? Likewise it is really a wise idea to park your car on the end of a line that already has several parked cars along it, thereby creating a single width corridor right where Burdyke goes around the corner so that traffic coming one way cannot see if traffic is coming straight at them in the single-width corridor section? Whilst there are cars parked there that belong to the people in the flats on one side, there are also a number of cars parked on the street belonging to the houses on the other side that have perfectly fine driveways which aren't being utilised. If we want more people to use the bus, we need to speed up journeys - and roads like Burdyke need to be sorted. The ideal solution would be to take the wide strip of verge on the side of the road where the flats are and put in parking bays the full length of the road (unless lamp posts are in the way) - and then use 'red route' markings on the side of the road where the houses are along with fitting the plastic grid mesh which can support the weight of a car over the grass verge on that side and put up signs stating that visiting vehicles may park on the verge (the plastic grids would take the weight whilst allowing the grass to grow up, and so the verge would stay green and not end up looking like the Somme). I would also suggest taking a small strip of green from either Kingsway North or Burton Green so as to form a parking area for members of the church so they don't end up blocking Burdyke Avenue either. Magicman!
  • Score: 2

8:11am Wed 26 Mar 14

again says...

We need to design stacking cars. Then we can all have as many as we want.

Cars are the mainstay of the British economy and it would be madness to try to prevent as many being bought as possible.
We need to design stacking cars. Then we can all have as many as we want. Cars are the mainstay of the British economy and it would be madness to try to prevent as many being bought as possible. again
  • Score: -1

9:38am Wed 26 Mar 14

Pedro says...

yorkshirelad wrote:
First, to be clear, the story appears to be about poor parking, not simply parking per se. If this is the case - blocking streets, parking too near junctions, parking on pavements or verges, damaging verges etc then existing laws should be used.

But for parking in general, we need to get back to basics about car use. Endless problems will continue until we smell the coffee and wake up on this.

I reckon at most workplaces there are 3 groups who drive cars/vans...
a) No practical alternative to using a car or van.
b) Could use public transport/walk/cycle much of the time with some effort/adjustment
c) Could easily use public transport, walk or cycle.

Frankly, there are far to many in b and c who drive to work (probably because they *think* they are in a). We need all the carrots (and maybe some of the sticks) to help the b and c group make the change.

Blaming workplaces...and goodness me, especially the hospital - awash with cars, is missing the point totally. We'll grind to a halt unless we change.
The problem, for most, is "other people's cars."
[quote][p][bold]yorkshirelad[/bold] wrote: First, to be clear, the story appears to be about poor parking, not simply parking per se. If this is the case - blocking streets, parking too near junctions, parking on pavements or verges, damaging verges etc then existing laws should be used. But for parking in general, we need to get back to basics about car use. Endless problems will continue until we smell the coffee and wake up on this. I reckon at most workplaces there are 3 groups who drive cars/vans... a) No practical alternative to using a car or van. b) Could use public transport/walk/cycle much of the time with some effort/adjustment c) Could easily use public transport, walk or cycle. Frankly, there are far to many in b and c who drive to work (probably because they *think* they are in a). We need all the carrots (and maybe some of the sticks) to help the b and c group make the change. Blaming workplaces...and goodness me, especially the hospital - awash with cars, is missing the point totally. We'll grind to a halt unless we change.[/p][/quote]The problem, for most, is "other people's cars." Pedro
  • Score: 1

9:39am Wed 26 Mar 14

Dr Brian says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Amazing how car users blame everyone and everything except themselves, for the problems created by optional use of their vehicles. When you buy a car, you don't also buy an open road or a parking space. Simple!
How much do you pay in "road tax" (yes I know it is not called that) to ride your bike on the streets of York ?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Amazing how car users blame everyone and everything except themselves, for the problems created by optional use of their vehicles. When you buy a car, you don't also buy an open road or a parking space. Simple![/p][/quote]How much do you pay in "road tax" (yes I know it is not called that) to ride your bike on the streets of York ? Dr Brian
  • Score: 2

6:24pm Wed 26 Mar 14

GKChewy says...

I lived on Horner st for 6 years until recently, and I would have welcomed any residents parking scheme. Any time York City were at home, parking was difficult in the area, impossible on occasions. Couple that with the hospital, and people parking to go to the saisburys local, I have in the past found myself driving round and round for 15 minutes trying to find a space close to my house. ( a real pain with a baby or lots of shopping!) needless to say it was one of the things that drove us from that area
I lived on Horner st for 6 years until recently, and I would have welcomed any residents parking scheme. Any time York City were at home, parking was difficult in the area, impossible on occasions. Couple that with the hospital, and people parking to go to the saisburys local, I have in the past found myself driving round and round for 15 minutes trying to find a space close to my house. ( a real pain with a baby or lots of shopping!) needless to say it was one of the things that drove us from that area GKChewy
  • Score: 2

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