Hundreds oppose Tour de France hub plans for Monk Stray

York Press: Monk Stray Monk Stray

HUNDREDS of residents have opposed plans for a Tour de France viewing hub on a York stray.

A City of York Council licensing hearing tomorrow will decide whether to allow Monk Stray in Heworth Without to be one of the city’s spectator hubs when the race’s opening stages, the Grand Depart, come to York on July 6.

The authority’s plans have drawn 286 representations, mostly objections. Others have said the licensing guidelines for the event must be more stringent.

Many residents claimed they were not properly consulted and only found out when a campsite, proposed for a different part of the stray, was advertised. They claim the hub will cause noise, traffic, crime and anti-social behaviour problems in an area flanked by houses.

The licence application asks for the stray to be used for family events for up to 14 days a year. If granted, alcohol could be sold and music played until 11pm on Sunday, July 6, with late-night refreshment able to be served until 5am between June 28 and July 7. Some objectors are asking why this is necessary for nine nights.

Heworth resident Jane Simcock said events on the stray were “bound to increase public nuisance” and the application was “ill-considered”.

David and Kathleen Yates, who live nearby, said it would “create very significant and unacceptable disruption” and the area was “totally unsuited”, while resident John Tasker said: “The stray provides a valuable and unspoilt amenity to the local community and holding regular events will disrupt our enjoyment of this facility, it is particularly objectionable that it is being done under the guise of the Tour de France.”

York Outer MP Julian Sturdy said the council should significantly amend or refuse the application while Heworth Without councillor Nigel Ayre has objected. Heworth councillor Barbara Boyce said limited use of the stray was not unreasonable but it should only be for up to eight days a year and late-night refreshment should not be sold after 11pm on weekdays and midnight on weekends.

North Yorkshire Police said the licence could be granted, but 29 conditions which must be met.

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10:54am Mon 24 Mar 14

meme says...

This is a prestige event and a feather in York's cap and I would have thought that the residents would have put up with a few days of camping here.
I cannot believe the fuss being made......Do they want York to prosper or is this just a classic case of NIMBYISM
PS I am not a fanatical cyclist or work for CoYc etc or the Grand depart just want to see this event be as successful as it could be if York residents get behind it...even those who may be temporarily inconvenienced
This is a prestige event and a feather in York's cap and I would have thought that the residents would have put up with a few days of camping here. I cannot believe the fuss being made......Do they want York to prosper or is this just a classic case of NIMBYISM [if such a word?] PS I am not a fanatical cyclist or work for CoYc etc or the Grand depart just want to see this event be as successful as it could be if York residents get behind it...even those who may be temporarily inconvenienced meme
  • Score: 57

11:11am Mon 24 Mar 14

carpon says...

Residents should have been asked their opinion at the planning stage .This would given residents and COYC the chance to work out a plan to suite everyone concerned. Personally not bothered about the whole event , but if it puts York on the map and brings in money to our local economy, I am behind it 100%.
Residents should have been asked their opinion at the planning stage .This would given residents and COYC the chance to work out a plan to suite everyone concerned. Personally not bothered about the whole event , but if it puts York on the map and brings in money to our local economy, I am behind it 100%. carpon
  • Score: -37

11:20am Mon 24 Mar 14

Kevin Turvey says...

They are perfectly entitled to object whether it be ‘Nimbyism’ or genuine concerns!

More importantly there is nothing wrong in being the fly in the ointment to a dictatorial council who spend time and money on their vanity projects/propaganda opportunities rather than on essential services for the people that they are paid and have a duty to serve.

Expect little Jimmy Alexander to be on the start or finish line and attempting to get his face in any photos pretending he is important!
They are perfectly entitled to object whether it be ‘Nimbyism’ or genuine concerns! More importantly there is nothing wrong in being the fly in the ointment to a dictatorial council who spend time and money on their vanity projects/propaganda opportunities rather than on essential services for the people that they are paid and have a duty to serve. Expect little Jimmy Alexander to be on the start or finish line and attempting to get his face in any photos pretending he is important! Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -38

11:32am Mon 24 Mar 14

The Great Buda says...

York, where the NIMBY's ruin everything.
York, where the NIMBY's ruin everything. The Great Buda
  • Score: 8

11:37am Mon 24 Mar 14

whitehorse says...

meme wrote:
This is a prestige event and a feather in York's cap and I would have thought that the residents would have put up with a few days of camping here.
I cannot believe the fuss being made......Do they want York to prosper or is this just a classic case of NIMBYISM
PS I am not a fanatical cyclist or work for CoYc etc or the Grand depart just want to see this event be as successful as it could be if York residents get behind it...even those who may be temporarily inconvenienced
Let's stick a new drinking venue and serve food outside your house till 5am then, shall we? It's bound to cause some concerns. Even if behaviour isn't raucous, or violent- as per the city centre on a Friday or Saturday night- it will still cause a disturbing buzz for the residents.

And lets not get all excited. The Grand Depart is a prestigious event, but York hosts the start of one part of a race- and not nine days of it.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: This is a prestige event and a feather in York's cap and I would have thought that the residents would have put up with a few days of camping here. I cannot believe the fuss being made......Do they want York to prosper or is this just a classic case of NIMBYISM [if such a word?] PS I am not a fanatical cyclist or work for CoYc etc or the Grand depart just want to see this event be as successful as it could be if York residents get behind it...even those who may be temporarily inconvenienced[/p][/quote]Let's stick a new drinking venue and serve food outside your house till 5am then, shall we? It's bound to cause some concerns. Even if behaviour isn't raucous, or violent- as per the city centre on a Friday or Saturday night- it will still cause a disturbing buzz for the residents. And lets not get all excited. The Grand Depart is a prestigious event, but York hosts the start of one part of a race- and not nine days of it. whitehorse
  • Score: -8

11:43am Mon 24 Mar 14

sniper 9964 says...

Its a bloody disgrace. The roads around York are horrendous pot holes
and huge cracks CyC refuse to rectify this problem. Its time they sort their act out
Its a bloody disgrace. The roads around York are horrendous pot holes and huge cracks CyC refuse to rectify this problem. Its time they sort their act out sniper 9964
  • Score: -29

11:43am Mon 24 Mar 14

HeworthM says...

meme wrote:
This is a prestige event and a feather in York's cap and I would have thought that the residents would have put up with a few days of camping here.
I cannot believe the fuss being made......Do they want York to prosper or is this just a classic case of NIMBYISM
PS I am not a fanatical cyclist or work for CoYc etc or the Grand depart just want to see this event be as successful as it could be if York residents get behind it...even those who may be temporarily inconvenienced
There is a muddying of the waters here with the specific Tour de France events.
The application is for a total of 14 days activity on the stray per annum, for attendance by up to 10,000 people. With a significant number of dwellings within less than 10 metres of the site, and in direct line of view (& sound), this is the main issue (in my opinion)
A sceptic, could suggest that CoYC are using the TdF event to get this license through, from which they can then benefit financially in future years from fees for events on the land?
When CoYC needed an application for 2 days of events, logic would have suggested applying for a appropriate sized license, thus avoiding a proportion of the objection now needing to be dealt with? Instead, council officers have created work for themselves by this lack of foresight.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: This is a prestige event and a feather in York's cap and I would have thought that the residents would have put up with a few days of camping here. I cannot believe the fuss being made......Do they want York to prosper or is this just a classic case of NIMBYISM [if such a word?] PS I am not a fanatical cyclist or work for CoYc etc or the Grand depart just want to see this event be as successful as it could be if York residents get behind it...even those who may be temporarily inconvenienced[/p][/quote]There is a muddying of the waters here with the specific Tour de France events. The application is for a total of 14 days activity on the stray per annum, for attendance by up to 10,000 people. With a significant number of dwellings within less than 10 metres of the site, and in direct line of view (& sound), this is the main issue (in my opinion) A sceptic, could suggest that CoYC are using the TdF event to get this license through, from which they can then benefit financially in future years from fees for events on the land? When CoYC needed an application for 2 days of events, logic would have suggested applying for a appropriate sized license, thus avoiding a proportion of the objection now needing to be dealt with? Instead, council officers have created work for themselves by this lack of foresight. HeworthM
  • Score: -12

11:54am Mon 24 Mar 14

Exlabourmember says...

The Great Buda wrote:
York, where the NIMBY's ruin everything.
No James, you run York, and with your usual contempt for the people who live here
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: York, where the NIMBY's ruin everything.[/p][/quote]No James, you run York, and with your usual contempt for the people who live here Exlabourmember
  • Score: -10

11:55am Mon 24 Mar 14

the original Homer says...

Tour De France departs are not prestigious events at all. They are non-events.

The exciting bits are hills and finishes, not starts.
Tour De France departs are not prestigious events at all. They are non-events. The exciting bits are hills and finishes, not starts. the original Homer
  • Score: -10

12:02pm Mon 24 Mar 14

acomblass says...

York is spending £1.6 million on this event - more than any other Council yet there has been no detailed breakdown of costs/benefitsand, as pointed out above, York is only a depart point. The Press have reported an overall shortfall in budget of £2.3 million so I expect that the residents will be asked to stump up yet more money for this event, the planning for which is lamentable. I want to see prestigious events come to York and I am not anti cyclist but these events have to be planned well and this is not.
York is spending £1.6 million on this event - more than any other Council yet there has been no detailed breakdown of costs/benefitsand, as pointed out above, York is only a depart point. The Press have reported an overall shortfall in budget of £2.3 million so I expect that the residents will be asked to stump up yet more money for this event, the planning for which is lamentable. I want to see prestigious events come to York and I am not anti cyclist but these events have to be planned well and this is not. acomblass
  • Score: 19

12:23pm Mon 24 Mar 14

meme says...

I accept it should be only used when its something really special for York and presumably this is for a few days over the Tour d France start.
I don't understand why they want a 14 day licence as it should be only in virtually unique events which this is
However I repeat I would be prepared to put up with it for a few days if I was lucky enough to live looking over the stray as its god for York despite what some sceptics think
It puts us on the map, punching above our weight and is a real feather in Yorks cap
I accept it should be only used when its something really special for York and presumably this is for a few days over the Tour d France start. I don't understand why they want a 14 day licence as it should be only in virtually unique events which this is However I repeat I would be prepared to put up with it for a few days if I was lucky enough to live looking over the stray as its god for York despite what some sceptics think It puts us on the map, punching above our weight and is a real feather in Yorks cap meme
  • Score: -15

12:48pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Owain ap Llwyd says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
They are perfectly entitled to object whether it be ‘Nimbyism’ or genuine concerns!

More importantly there is nothing wrong in being the fly in the ointment to a dictatorial council who spend time and money on their vanity projects/propaganda opportunities rather than on essential services for the people that they are paid and have a duty to serve.

Expect little Jimmy Alexander to be on the start or finish line and attempting to get his face in any photos pretending he is important!
I agree.
YCC ignore the York residents time, time and time again.
The council officers control our city, and the figureheads, the councillors, just do what the officers tell them.
It is just "Yes, minister", with Sir Humphrey ruling the roost.
When we vote out the council in May 2015, why can't we vote out the officers at the same time?
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: They are perfectly entitled to object whether it be ‘Nimbyism’ or genuine concerns! More importantly there is nothing wrong in being the fly in the ointment to a dictatorial council who spend time and money on their vanity projects/propaganda opportunities rather than on essential services for the people that they are paid and have a duty to serve. Expect little Jimmy Alexander to be on the start or finish line and attempting to get his face in any photos pretending he is important![/p][/quote]I agree. YCC ignore the York residents time, time and time again. The council officers control our city, and the figureheads, the councillors, just do what the officers tell them. It is just "Yes, minister", with Sir Humphrey ruling the roost. When we vote out the council in May 2015, why can't we vote out the officers at the same time? Owain ap Llwyd
  • Score: -5

1:02pm Mon 24 Mar 14

HeworthM says...

meme wrote:
I accept it should be only used when its something really special for York and presumably this is for a few days over the Tour d France start.
I don't understand why they want a 14 day licence as it should be only in virtually unique events which this is
However I repeat I would be prepared to put up with it for a few days if I was lucky enough to live looking over the stray as its god for York despite what some sceptics think
It puts us on the map, punching above our weight and is a real feather in Yorks cap
Meme - your comments express well my concern over this affair.
The way this application has been presented by CoYC and reported by The Press puts focus on the TdF.
If the headlines were focused solely on the technicality of the license application, I am sure that "All day open drinking on residents doorstep" and "Residents against open air events for up to 140,000 people over 7 weekends per summer" would have more public support for the local residents of Heworth/Monk Stray.
Instead, by muddying with the emotion of the specific TdF event, we as the local residents who have made representatuons against the application are seen as wanting to "put a spoke in the wheels" of this event (excuse the pun!), which I personally hope will be of econimic benefit to both York and the wider region.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: I accept it should be only used when its something really special for York and presumably this is for a few days over the Tour d France start. I don't understand why they want a 14 day licence as it should be only in virtually unique events which this is However I repeat I would be prepared to put up with it for a few days if I was lucky enough to live looking over the stray as its god for York despite what some sceptics think It puts us on the map, punching above our weight and is a real feather in Yorks cap[/p][/quote]Meme - your comments express well my concern over this affair. The way this application has been presented by CoYC and reported by The Press puts focus on the TdF. If the headlines were focused solely on the technicality of the license application, I am sure that "All day open drinking on residents doorstep" and "Residents against open air events for up to 140,000 people over 7 weekends per summer" would have more public support for the local residents of Heworth/Monk Stray. Instead, by muddying with the emotion of the specific TdF event, we as the local residents who have made representatuons against the application are seen as wanting to "put a spoke in the wheels" of this event (excuse the pun!), which I personally hope will be of econimic benefit to both York and the wider region. HeworthM
  • Score: -9

1:03pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

they should have been consulted yes... its called being polite.

But all the talk about booze, violence and crime is a bit ott... after all its not a festival. its a place where cycling enthusiasts watch men in spandex, cycle...Its hardly a hard house rave now...

I suspect the tents etc of the people staying here are more likely to get robbed. Bad form on the councils behalf but come on... I cant see a rave kicking off until 5am with pedalling Paul crowd surfing... as much as I’d like to...
they should have been consulted yes... its called being polite. But all the talk about booze, violence and crime is a bit ott... after all its not a festival. its a place where cycling enthusiasts watch men in spandex, cycle...Its hardly a hard house rave now... I suspect the tents etc of the people staying here are more likely to get robbed. Bad form on the councils behalf but come on... I cant see a rave kicking off until 5am with pedalling Paul crowd surfing... as much as I’d like to... Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -19

1:27pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Marathongirl says...

I am York resident, I live quite central and roads often get closed off around my house for events meaning I cant drive anywhere for the day. I walk into town instead - its packed, their are tourists everywhere wandering slowly around when I am just popping in to pick something up yes its annoying. The restaurants are full, the bars are buzzing and I cant go out for a quiet drink or meal but am I complaining about this? No! York is hosting one of the largest events this year, the Tour De France will bring people from all around the world to our great little city and we - the people of York should be welcoming these people not moaning about it. I am proud to live here and proud that people want to come here. The spectator hub will be live for a couple of days, its not likely to attract drunks and yobs, it is going to attract people who want to celebrate this amazing event cyclists who want to see it first hand and then spend some money visiting our city and on its fantastic tourist attractions.
Instead of moaning about it why not try enjoying it all - be a part of a lasting legacy instead of being miserable and unwelcoming. Go out and make them a cuppa tea when its cold at night, let them use your toilets and showers - make these people want to return to our city. Because lets face it they will spend more here in that weekend than you probably will all month.
I am York resident, I live quite central and roads often get closed off around my house for events meaning I cant drive anywhere for the day. I walk into town instead - its packed, their are tourists everywhere wandering slowly around when I am just popping in to pick something up yes its annoying. The restaurants are full, the bars are buzzing and I cant go out for a quiet drink or meal but am I complaining about this? No! York is hosting one of the largest events this year, the Tour De France will bring people from all around the world to our great little city and we - the people of York should be welcoming these people not moaning about it. I am proud to live here and proud that people want to come here. The spectator hub will be live for a couple of days, its not likely to attract drunks and yobs, it is going to attract people who want to celebrate this amazing event cyclists who want to see it first hand and then spend some money visiting our city and on its fantastic tourist attractions. Instead of moaning about it why not try enjoying it all - be a part of a lasting legacy instead of being miserable and unwelcoming. Go out and make them a cuppa tea when its cold at night, let them use your toilets and showers - make these people want to return to our city. Because lets face it they will spend more here in that weekend than you probably will all month. Marathongirl
  • Score: 12

1:38pm Mon 24 Mar 14

roskoboskovic says...

some idiot says" york,where nimbys ruin everything". what an idiotic thing to say.if truth be told york cannot handle this sort of event and i don t think that they realise what an absolutely massive event this is.this also applies to the people running the whole event throughout yorkshire.the whole TDF entourage is like a mobile small town in itself and the local organisers are totally out of their depth.
some idiot says" york,where nimbys ruin everything". what an idiotic thing to say.if truth be told york cannot handle this sort of event and i don t think that they realise what an absolutely massive event this is.this also applies to the people running the whole event throughout yorkshire.the whole TDF entourage is like a mobile small town in itself and the local organisers are totally out of their depth. roskoboskovic
  • Score: -116

1:43pm Mon 24 Mar 14

HeworthM says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
they should have been consulted yes... its called being polite.

But all the talk about booze, violence and crime is a bit ott... after all its not a festival. its a place where cycling enthusiasts watch men in spandex, cycle...Its hardly a hard house rave now...

I suspect the tents etc of the people staying here are more likely to get robbed. Bad form on the councils behalf but come on... I cant see a rave kicking off until 5am with pedalling Paul crowd surfing... as much as I’d like to...
Archiebold the 1st - like many others you miss the larger picture here. The licensing application made is not specifically just for the TdF event. If granted, events for up to 10,000 attendees, involving live music, plays and broadcasts for 14 days/nights per annum will be able to take place without any further consultation with the local residents, or further applications being made.
A legal rave could be held if the council pass this license with only their own further approval needed with food served until 5am - whether operated by themselves or a private operator.
It is the unknown factor of the potential impact of this application which is fundementally the issue - the TdF is the first (proposed) use of the license.
Finally, Monk Stray was used a few years back for the Tour of Britain cycling event, and attracted a crowd which caused damage to the boundary hedgerows which remain today, and nuisance to the local residents in terms of obstructive car parking and public nuissance (including drunkeness). This is an underpinning of a number of residents being against the TdF event - the theory that history has a habit of repeating itself.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: they should have been consulted yes... its called being polite. But all the talk about booze, violence and crime is a bit ott... after all its not a festival. its a place where cycling enthusiasts watch men in spandex, cycle...Its hardly a hard house rave now... I suspect the tents etc of the people staying here are more likely to get robbed. Bad form on the councils behalf but come on... I cant see a rave kicking off until 5am with pedalling Paul crowd surfing... as much as I’d like to...[/p][/quote]Archiebold the 1st - like many others you miss the larger picture here. The licensing application made is not specifically just for the TdF event. If granted, events for up to 10,000 attendees, involving live music, plays and broadcasts for 14 days/nights per annum will be able to take place without any further consultation with the local residents, or further applications being made. A legal rave could be held if the council pass this license with only their own further approval needed with food served until 5am - whether operated by themselves or a private operator. It is the unknown factor of the potential impact of this application which is fundementally the issue - the TdF is the first (proposed) use of the license. Finally, Monk Stray was used a few years back for the Tour of Britain cycling event, and attracted a crowd which caused damage to the boundary hedgerows which remain today, and nuisance to the local residents in terms of obstructive car parking and public nuissance (including drunkeness). This is an underpinning of a number of residents being against the TdF event - the theory that history has a habit of repeating itself. HeworthM
  • Score: -118

1:44pm Mon 24 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

Marathongirl wrote:
I am York resident, I live quite central and roads often get closed off around my house for events meaning I cant drive anywhere for the day. I walk into town instead - its packed, their are tourists everywhere wandering slowly around when I am just popping in to pick something up yes its annoying. The restaurants are full, the bars are buzzing and I cant go out for a quiet drink or meal but am I complaining about this? No! York is hosting one of the largest events this year, the Tour De France will bring people from all around the world to our great little city and we - the people of York should be welcoming these people not moaning about it. I am proud to live here and proud that people want to come here. The spectator hub will be live for a couple of days, its not likely to attract drunks and yobs, it is going to attract people who want to celebrate this amazing event cyclists who want to see it first hand and then spend some money visiting our city and on its fantastic tourist attractions. Instead of moaning about it why not try enjoying it all - be a part of a lasting legacy instead of being miserable and unwelcoming. Go out and make them a cuppa tea when its cold at night, let them use your toilets and showers - make these people want to return to our city. Because lets face it they will spend more here in that weekend than you probably will all month.
How kind... I might set up camp with a few mates in your back garden... You can provide the beers and cook us some food, then we'll pop in at midnight for a dump - one of my mates is rather fat and smells quite a bit... he might want a shower too
[quote][p][bold]Marathongirl[/bold] wrote: I am York resident, I live quite central and roads often get closed off around my house for events meaning I cant drive anywhere for the day. I walk into town instead - its packed, their are tourists everywhere wandering slowly around when I am just popping in to pick something up yes its annoying. The restaurants are full, the bars are buzzing and I cant go out for a quiet drink or meal but am I complaining about this? No! York is hosting one of the largest events this year, the Tour De France will bring people from all around the world to our great little city and we - the people of York should be welcoming these people not moaning about it. I am proud to live here and proud that people want to come here. The spectator hub will be live for a couple of days, its not likely to attract drunks and yobs, it is going to attract people who want to celebrate this amazing event cyclists who want to see it first hand and then spend some money visiting our city and on its fantastic tourist attractions. Instead of moaning about it why not try enjoying it all - be a part of a lasting legacy instead of being miserable and unwelcoming. Go out and make them a cuppa tea when its cold at night, let them use your toilets and showers - make these people want to return to our city. Because lets face it they will spend more here in that weekend than you probably will all month.[/p][/quote]How kind... I might set up camp with a few mates in your back garden... You can provide the beers and cook us some food, then we'll pop in at midnight for a dump - one of my mates is rather fat and smells quite a bit... he might want a shower too YorkPatrol
  • Score: -73

1:51pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
Marathongirl wrote: I am York resident, I live quite central and roads often get closed off around my house for events meaning I cant drive anywhere for the day. I walk into town instead - its packed, their are tourists everywhere wandering slowly around when I am just popping in to pick something up yes its annoying. The restaurants are full, the bars are buzzing and I cant go out for a quiet drink or meal but am I complaining about this? No! York is hosting one of the largest events this year, the Tour De France will bring people from all around the world to our great little city and we - the people of York should be welcoming these people not moaning about it. I am proud to live here and proud that people want to come here. The spectator hub will be live for a couple of days, its not likely to attract drunks and yobs, it is going to attract people who want to celebrate this amazing event cyclists who want to see it first hand and then spend some money visiting our city and on its fantastic tourist attractions. Instead of moaning about it why not try enjoying it all - be a part of a lasting legacy instead of being miserable and unwelcoming. Go out and make them a cuppa tea when its cold at night, let them use your toilets and showers - make these people want to return to our city. Because lets face it they will spend more here in that weekend than you probably will all month.
How kind... I might set up camp with a few mates in your back garden... You can provide the beers and cook us some food, then we'll pop in at midnight for a dump - one of my mates is rather fat and smells quite a bit... he might want a shower too
i think we have the same mate.
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marathongirl[/bold] wrote: I am York resident, I live quite central and roads often get closed off around my house for events meaning I cant drive anywhere for the day. I walk into town instead - its packed, their are tourists everywhere wandering slowly around when I am just popping in to pick something up yes its annoying. The restaurants are full, the bars are buzzing and I cant go out for a quiet drink or meal but am I complaining about this? No! York is hosting one of the largest events this year, the Tour De France will bring people from all around the world to our great little city and we - the people of York should be welcoming these people not moaning about it. I am proud to live here and proud that people want to come here. The spectator hub will be live for a couple of days, its not likely to attract drunks and yobs, it is going to attract people who want to celebrate this amazing event cyclists who want to see it first hand and then spend some money visiting our city and on its fantastic tourist attractions. Instead of moaning about it why not try enjoying it all - be a part of a lasting legacy instead of being miserable and unwelcoming. Go out and make them a cuppa tea when its cold at night, let them use your toilets and showers - make these people want to return to our city. Because lets face it they will spend more here in that weekend than you probably will all month.[/p][/quote]How kind... I might set up camp with a few mates in your back garden... You can provide the beers and cook us some food, then we'll pop in at midnight for a dump - one of my mates is rather fat and smells quite a bit... he might want a shower too[/p][/quote]i think we have the same mate. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -15

1:59pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

HeworthM wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: they should have been consulted yes... its called being polite. But all the talk about booze, violence and crime is a bit ott... after all its not a festival. its a place where cycling enthusiasts watch men in spandex, cycle...Its hardly a hard house rave now... I suspect the tents etc of the people staying here are more likely to get robbed. Bad form on the councils behalf but come on... I cant see a rave kicking off until 5am with pedalling Paul crowd surfing... as much as I’d like to...
Archiebold the 1st - like many others you miss the larger picture here. The licensing application made is not specifically just for the TdF event. If granted, events for up to 10,000 attendees, involving live music, plays and broadcasts for 14 days/nights per annum will be able to take place without any further consultation with the local residents, or further applications being made. A legal rave could be held if the council pass this license with only their own further approval needed with food served until 5am - whether operated by themselves or a private operator. It is the unknown factor of the potential impact of this application which is fundementally the issue - the TdF is the first (proposed) use of the license. Finally, Monk Stray was used a few years back for the Tour of Britain cycling event, and attracted a crowd which caused damage to the boundary hedgerows which remain today, and nuisance to the local residents in terms of obstructive car parking and public nuissance (including drunkeness). This is an underpinning of a number of residents being against the TdF event - the theory that history has a habit of repeating itself.
The application title should not be mistaken for its purpose. It is for the tour de France and if the event is successful it will be used for the same purpose for the same event again. Why would they hold music festivals there when they already have the licences etc in place at the racecourse which already holds an event. (which while poorly organised caused minimal disruption to locals. me included. I did attend too and the crowds for beer meant it was pretty sobering really... )

A damaged hedge? come on. if it was that bad i'd sort it myself. As for nuisance- yes people will be drunk- police will be present.

If you think this council is that smart, that they would put this application in for 14 days a year to hold music festivals 50meters away from houses in the future you are wrong. You are all reading far too much into the application.
[quote][p][bold]HeworthM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: they should have been consulted yes... its called being polite. But all the talk about booze, violence and crime is a bit ott... after all its not a festival. its a place where cycling enthusiasts watch men in spandex, cycle...Its hardly a hard house rave now... I suspect the tents etc of the people staying here are more likely to get robbed. Bad form on the councils behalf but come on... I cant see a rave kicking off until 5am with pedalling Paul crowd surfing... as much as I’d like to...[/p][/quote]Archiebold the 1st - like many others you miss the larger picture here. The licensing application made is not specifically just for the TdF event. If granted, events for up to 10,000 attendees, involving live music, plays and broadcasts for 14 days/nights per annum will be able to take place without any further consultation with the local residents, or further applications being made. A legal rave could be held if the council pass this license with only their own further approval needed with food served until 5am - whether operated by themselves or a private operator. It is the unknown factor of the potential impact of this application which is fundementally the issue - the TdF is the first (proposed) use of the license. Finally, Monk Stray was used a few years back for the Tour of Britain cycling event, and attracted a crowd which caused damage to the boundary hedgerows which remain today, and nuisance to the local residents in terms of obstructive car parking and public nuissance (including drunkeness). This is an underpinning of a number of residents being against the TdF event - the theory that history has a habit of repeating itself.[/p][/quote]The application title should not be mistaken for its purpose. It is for the tour de France and if the event is successful it will be used for the same purpose for the same event again. Why would they hold music festivals there when they already have the licences etc in place at the racecourse which already holds an event. (which while poorly organised caused minimal disruption to locals. me included. I did attend too and the crowds for beer meant it was pretty sobering really... ) A damaged hedge? come on. if it was that bad i'd sort it myself. As for nuisance- yes people will be drunk- police will be present. If you think this council is that smart, that they would put this application in for 14 days a year to hold music festivals 50meters away from houses in the future you are wrong. You are all reading far too much into the application. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -17

2:00pm Mon 24 Mar 14

HeworthM says...

Marathongirl wrote:
I am York resident, I live quite central and roads often get closed off around my house for events meaning I cant drive anywhere for the day. I walk into town instead - its packed, their are tourists everywhere wandering slowly around when I am just popping in to pick something up yes its annoying. The restaurants are full, the bars are buzzing and I cant go out for a quiet drink or meal but am I complaining about this? No! York is hosting one of the largest events this year, the Tour De France will bring people from all around the world to our great little city and we - the people of York should be welcoming these people not moaning about it. I am proud to live here and proud that people want to come here. The spectator hub will be live for a couple of days, its not likely to attract drunks and yobs, it is going to attract people who want to celebrate this amazing event cyclists who want to see it first hand and then spend some money visiting our city and on its fantastic tourist attractions.
Instead of moaning about it why not try enjoying it all - be a part of a lasting legacy instead of being miserable and unwelcoming. Go out and make them a cuppa tea when its cold at night, let them use your toilets and showers - make these people want to return to our city. Because lets face it they will spend more here in that weekend than you probably will all month.
Sorry to repeat myself, but the muddying of the waters here between a licensing application for the future use of Monk Stray (forever - this will be a permanent position) and the specific event under it (ie. TdF hub) have accusations and shouts of "NIMBY" being made.
The application is not for the campsite - that is seperate.
I may get this post removed, but as a (key?) communicator in York, has the editor of The Press done a good enough job here in reviewing the reporters work - based on the comments arising from this and the other articles on this matter?
[quote][p][bold]Marathongirl[/bold] wrote: I am York resident, I live quite central and roads often get closed off around my house for events meaning I cant drive anywhere for the day. I walk into town instead - its packed, their are tourists everywhere wandering slowly around when I am just popping in to pick something up yes its annoying. The restaurants are full, the bars are buzzing and I cant go out for a quiet drink or meal but am I complaining about this? No! York is hosting one of the largest events this year, the Tour De France will bring people from all around the world to our great little city and we - the people of York should be welcoming these people not moaning about it. I am proud to live here and proud that people want to come here. The spectator hub will be live for a couple of days, its not likely to attract drunks and yobs, it is going to attract people who want to celebrate this amazing event cyclists who want to see it first hand and then spend some money visiting our city and on its fantastic tourist attractions. Instead of moaning about it why not try enjoying it all - be a part of a lasting legacy instead of being miserable and unwelcoming. Go out and make them a cuppa tea when its cold at night, let them use your toilets and showers - make these people want to return to our city. Because lets face it they will spend more here in that weekend than you probably will all month.[/p][/quote]Sorry to repeat myself, but the muddying of the waters here between a licensing application for the future use of Monk Stray (forever - this will be a permanent position) and the specific event under it (ie. TdF hub) have accusations and shouts of "NIMBY" being made. The application is not for the campsite - that is seperate. I may get this post removed, but as a (key?) communicator in York, has the editor of The Press done a good enough job here in reviewing the reporters work - based on the comments arising from this and the other articles on this matter? HeworthM
  • Score: -13

2:06pm Mon 24 Mar 14

HeworthM says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
HeworthM wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: they should have been consulted yes... its called being polite. But all the talk about booze, violence and crime is a bit ott... after all its not a festival. its a place where cycling enthusiasts watch men in spandex, cycle...Its hardly a hard house rave now... I suspect the tents etc of the people staying here are more likely to get robbed. Bad form on the councils behalf but come on... I cant see a rave kicking off until 5am with pedalling Paul crowd surfing... as much as I’d like to...
Archiebold the 1st - like many others you miss the larger picture here. The licensing application made is not specifically just for the TdF event. If granted, events for up to 10,000 attendees, involving live music, plays and broadcasts for 14 days/nights per annum will be able to take place without any further consultation with the local residents, or further applications being made. A legal rave could be held if the council pass this license with only their own further approval needed with food served until 5am - whether operated by themselves or a private operator. It is the unknown factor of the potential impact of this application which is fundementally the issue - the TdF is the first (proposed) use of the license. Finally, Monk Stray was used a few years back for the Tour of Britain cycling event, and attracted a crowd which caused damage to the boundary hedgerows which remain today, and nuisance to the local residents in terms of obstructive car parking and public nuissance (including drunkeness). This is an underpinning of a number of residents being against the TdF event - the theory that history has a habit of repeating itself.
The application title should not be mistaken for its purpose. It is for the tour de France and if the event is successful it will be used for the same purpose for the same event again. Why would they hold music festivals there when they already have the licences etc in place at the racecourse which already holds an event. (which while poorly organised caused minimal disruption to locals. me included. I did attend too and the crowds for beer meant it was pretty sobering really... )

A damaged hedge? come on. if it was that bad i'd sort it myself. As for nuisance- yes people will be drunk- police will be present.

If you think this council is that smart, that they would put this application in for 14 days a year to hold music festivals 50meters away from houses in the future you are wrong. You are all reading far too much into the application.
Time will tell whether our council (today or in the future) are this "smart"!!
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HeworthM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: they should have been consulted yes... its called being polite. But all the talk about booze, violence and crime is a bit ott... after all its not a festival. its a place where cycling enthusiasts watch men in spandex, cycle...Its hardly a hard house rave now... I suspect the tents etc of the people staying here are more likely to get robbed. Bad form on the councils behalf but come on... I cant see a rave kicking off until 5am with pedalling Paul crowd surfing... as much as I’d like to...[/p][/quote]Archiebold the 1st - like many others you miss the larger picture here. The licensing application made is not specifically just for the TdF event. If granted, events for up to 10,000 attendees, involving live music, plays and broadcasts for 14 days/nights per annum will be able to take place without any further consultation with the local residents, or further applications being made. A legal rave could be held if the council pass this license with only their own further approval needed with food served until 5am - whether operated by themselves or a private operator. It is the unknown factor of the potential impact of this application which is fundementally the issue - the TdF is the first (proposed) use of the license. Finally, Monk Stray was used a few years back for the Tour of Britain cycling event, and attracted a crowd which caused damage to the boundary hedgerows which remain today, and nuisance to the local residents in terms of obstructive car parking and public nuissance (including drunkeness). This is an underpinning of a number of residents being against the TdF event - the theory that history has a habit of repeating itself.[/p][/quote]The application title should not be mistaken for its purpose. It is for the tour de France and if the event is successful it will be used for the same purpose for the same event again. Why would they hold music festivals there when they already have the licences etc in place at the racecourse which already holds an event. (which while poorly organised caused minimal disruption to locals. me included. I did attend too and the crowds for beer meant it was pretty sobering really... ) A damaged hedge? come on. if it was that bad i'd sort it myself. As for nuisance- yes people will be drunk- police will be present. If you think this council is that smart, that they would put this application in for 14 days a year to hold music festivals 50meters away from houses in the future you are wrong. You are all reading far too much into the application.[/p][/quote]Time will tell whether our council (today or in the future) are this "smart"!! HeworthM
  • Score: -17

2:11pm Mon 24 Mar 14

meme says...

well said marathon girl
well said marathon girl meme
  • Score: 11

2:17pm Mon 24 Mar 14

metsaagain says...

I'm excited by the TDF coming to York- I'll be out there with my family watching it and I'm pleased the city is making a real effort.

BUT...at the very least the Council need to seriously address their communications strategy

I can see the argument why a temporary campsite might be erected on the Knavesmire for maybe one night either side of the event itself. However, I can't see why they need the permission for 14 days / year, if there were not more long-term plans for further similar events to take place here. It is hard to envision a situation where people would be excited enough about the TDF to come and camp in York during this period, but are then going to stay put for fortnight. I'm particularly intrigued about the reference to family events, as this is all taking place before school term ends...

Equally, even if they do genuinely just want to do this for the TDF, the communication and consultation with the local community has been utterly shambolic. A little thought, consideration and a positive, pro-active approach can get you a long way in these kind of situations. The shall we say charitably say, somewhat recalcitrant approach to this by YCC, is pretty poor.

Seeing as the Council seem unable or unwilling to stand up and be explicit about their medium- long-term plans for the Knavesmire, if I was a resident I'd be thinking very seriously about making an Freedom of Information Request for Council plans in this area. Of course the Press might already have done this.... (ha!)
I'm excited by the TDF coming to York- I'll be out there with my family watching it and I'm pleased the city is making a real effort. BUT...at the very least the Council need to seriously address their communications strategy I can see the argument why a temporary campsite might be erected on the Knavesmire for maybe one night either side of the event itself. However, I can't see why they need the permission for 14 days / year, if there were not more long-term plans for further similar events to take place here. It is hard to envision a situation where people would be excited enough about the TDF to come and camp in York during this period, but are then going to stay put for fortnight. I'm particularly intrigued about the reference to family events, as this is all taking place before school term ends... Equally, even if they do genuinely just want to do this for the TDF, the communication and consultation with the local community has been utterly shambolic. A little thought, consideration and a positive, pro-active approach can get you a long way in these kind of situations. The shall we say charitably say, somewhat recalcitrant approach to this by YCC, is pretty poor. Seeing as the Council seem unable or unwilling to stand up and be explicit about their medium- long-term plans for the Knavesmire, if I was a resident I'd be thinking very seriously about making an Freedom of Information Request for Council plans in this area. Of course the Press might already have done this.... (ha!) metsaagain
  • Score: -5

3:19pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Oyy you says...

Because you buy a house in heworth you don't get sole rights to the stray, let your dogs cr@p somewhere else for a few days...
Because you buy a house in heworth you don't get sole rights to the stray, let your dogs cr@p somewhere else for a few days... Oyy you
  • Score: 16

3:39pm Mon 24 Mar 14

muckybutt says...

200 + moaning miserable residents - shame on you !
200 + moaning miserable residents - shame on you ! muckybutt
  • Score: 8

3:52pm Mon 24 Mar 14

HeworthM says...

Oyy you wrote:
Because you buy a house in heworth you don't get sole rights to the stray, let your dogs cr@p somewhere else for a few days...
I'm not sure any of the respondents to the application have suggested that they have sole rights to the use of the stray as a local resident to the amenity as part of their objections, nor where they will be able to exercise their dogs during any events.
Perhaps you could identify where this has been said?
[quote][p][bold]Oyy you[/bold] wrote: Because you buy a house in heworth you don't get sole rights to the stray, let your dogs cr@p somewhere else for a few days...[/p][/quote]I'm not sure any of the respondents to the application have suggested that they have sole rights to the use of the stray as a local resident to the amenity as part of their objections, nor where they will be able to exercise their dogs during any events. Perhaps you could identify where this has been said? HeworthM
  • Score: 9

3:57pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Oyy you says...

muckybutt wrote:
200 + moaning miserable residents - shame on you !
Well said...
[quote][p][bold]muckybutt[/bold] wrote: 200 + moaning miserable residents - shame on you ![/p][/quote]Well said... Oyy you
  • Score: 14

4:03pm Mon 24 Mar 14

HeworthM says...

muckybutt wrote:
200 + moaning miserable residents - shame on you !
200+ local residents engaged in a democratic process with the local council.

Now who's taking the miserable/negative view point??

:O)
[quote][p][bold]muckybutt[/bold] wrote: 200 + moaning miserable residents - shame on you ![/p][/quote]200+ local residents engaged in a democratic process with the local council. Now who's taking the miserable/negative view point?? :O) HeworthM
  • Score: -10

4:10pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Oyy you says...

HeworthM wrote:
muckybutt wrote:
200 + moaning miserable residents - shame on you !
200+ local residents engaged in a democratic process with the local council.

Now who's taking the miserable/negative view point??

:O)
You appear to be stalking anyone that has a view......
[quote][p][bold]HeworthM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muckybutt[/bold] wrote: 200 + moaning miserable residents - shame on you ![/p][/quote]200+ local residents engaged in a democratic process with the local council. Now who's taking the miserable/negative view point?? :O)[/p][/quote]You appear to be stalking anyone that has a view...... Oyy you
  • Score: 11

4:13pm Mon 24 Mar 14

HeworthM says...

Oyy you wrote:
HeworthM wrote:
muckybutt wrote:
200 + moaning miserable residents - shame on you !
200+ local residents engaged in a democratic process with the local council.

Now who's taking the miserable/negative view point??

:O)
You appear to be stalking anyone that has a view......
I'd like to think of it more as open discussion or debate rather than "stalking"?
[quote][p][bold]Oyy you[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HeworthM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muckybutt[/bold] wrote: 200 + moaning miserable residents - shame on you ![/p][/quote]200+ local residents engaged in a democratic process with the local council. Now who's taking the miserable/negative view point?? :O)[/p][/quote]You appear to be stalking anyone that has a view......[/p][/quote]I'd like to think of it more as open discussion or debate rather than "stalking"? HeworthM
  • Score: -10

4:16pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

HeworthM wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
HeworthM wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: they should have been consulted yes... its called being polite. But all the talk about booze, violence and crime is a bit ott... after all its not a festival. its a place where cycling enthusiasts watch men in spandex, cycle...Its hardly a hard house rave now... I suspect the tents etc of the people staying here are more likely to get robbed. Bad form on the councils behalf but come on... I cant see a rave kicking off until 5am with pedalling Paul crowd surfing... as much as I’d like to...
Archiebold the 1st - like many others you miss the larger picture here. The licensing application made is not specifically just for the TdF event. If granted, events for up to 10,000 attendees, involving live music, plays and broadcasts for 14 days/nights per annum will be able to take place without any further consultation with the local residents, or further applications being made. A legal rave could be held if the council pass this license with only their own further approval needed with food served until 5am - whether operated by themselves or a private operator. It is the unknown factor of the potential impact of this application which is fundementally the issue - the TdF is the first (proposed) use of the license. Finally, Monk Stray was used a few years back for the Tour of Britain cycling event, and attracted a crowd which caused damage to the boundary hedgerows which remain today, and nuisance to the local residents in terms of obstructive car parking and public nuissance (including drunkeness). This is an underpinning of a number of residents being against the TdF event - the theory that history has a habit of repeating itself.
The application title should not be mistaken for its purpose. It is for the tour de France and if the event is successful it will be used for the same purpose for the same event again. Why would they hold music festivals there when they already have the licences etc in place at the racecourse which already holds an event. (which while poorly organised caused minimal disruption to locals. me included. I did attend too and the crowds for beer meant it was pretty sobering really... ) A damaged hedge? come on. if it was that bad i'd sort it myself. As for nuisance- yes people will be drunk- police will be present. If you think this council is that smart, that they would put this application in for 14 days a year to hold music festivals 50meters away from houses in the future you are wrong. You are all reading far too much into the application.
Time will tell whether our council (today or in the future) are this "smart"!!
For me its the right thing to do, apply for more then you actually need on a agreement that it could be used annually. Imagine if it was shorter then required and they needed to do it year on year. it would waste a lot and even more people would be complaining about the wasted money involved with the consolation and application process.

Time will tell but for me any events will always be at the racecourse.

Either way locals can still object to any events that they don't feel are right but for me (don’t get me wrong i'd be annoyed if they didn’t bother telling me) this application should be accepted despite the fact it could be used again (for the same event (And far less likely different events)) in future years.

I don’t think they are about to have events there until 5am. Even YO1 fest finished earlier.
[quote][p][bold]HeworthM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HeworthM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: they should have been consulted yes... its called being polite. But all the talk about booze, violence and crime is a bit ott... after all its not a festival. its a place where cycling enthusiasts watch men in spandex, cycle...Its hardly a hard house rave now... I suspect the tents etc of the people staying here are more likely to get robbed. Bad form on the councils behalf but come on... I cant see a rave kicking off until 5am with pedalling Paul crowd surfing... as much as I’d like to...[/p][/quote]Archiebold the 1st - like many others you miss the larger picture here. The licensing application made is not specifically just for the TdF event. If granted, events for up to 10,000 attendees, involving live music, plays and broadcasts for 14 days/nights per annum will be able to take place without any further consultation with the local residents, or further applications being made. A legal rave could be held if the council pass this license with only their own further approval needed with food served until 5am - whether operated by themselves or a private operator. It is the unknown factor of the potential impact of this application which is fundementally the issue - the TdF is the first (proposed) use of the license. Finally, Monk Stray was used a few years back for the Tour of Britain cycling event, and attracted a crowd which caused damage to the boundary hedgerows which remain today, and nuisance to the local residents in terms of obstructive car parking and public nuissance (including drunkeness). This is an underpinning of a number of residents being against the TdF event - the theory that history has a habit of repeating itself.[/p][/quote]The application title should not be mistaken for its purpose. It is for the tour de France and if the event is successful it will be used for the same purpose for the same event again. Why would they hold music festivals there when they already have the licences etc in place at the racecourse which already holds an event. (which while poorly organised caused minimal disruption to locals. me included. I did attend too and the crowds for beer meant it was pretty sobering really... ) A damaged hedge? come on. if it was that bad i'd sort it myself. As for nuisance- yes people will be drunk- police will be present. If you think this council is that smart, that they would put this application in for 14 days a year to hold music festivals 50meters away from houses in the future you are wrong. You are all reading far too much into the application.[/p][/quote]Time will tell whether our council (today or in the future) are this "smart"!![/p][/quote]For me its the right thing to do, apply for more then you actually need on a agreement that it could be used annually. Imagine if it was shorter then required and they needed to do it year on year. it would waste a lot and even more people would be complaining about the wasted money involved with the consolation and application process. Time will tell but for me any events will always be at the racecourse. Either way locals can still object to any events that they don't feel are right but for me (don’t get me wrong i'd be annoyed if they didn’t bother telling me) this application should be accepted despite the fact it could be used again (for the same event (And far less likely different events)) in future years. I don’t think they are about to have events there until 5am. Even YO1 fest finished earlier. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -63

4:33pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Firedrake says...

As anyone consulted the Freemen? Aren't they the people who really do have "sole right of strayage"?
As anyone consulted the Freemen? Aren't they the people who really do have "sole right of strayage"? Firedrake
  • Score: 74

4:35pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Firedrake says...

Sorry - "Has ..."
Sorry - "Has ..." Firedrake
  • Score: 64

4:38pm Mon 24 Mar 14

courier46 says...

acomblass wrote:
York is spending £1.6 million on this event - more than any other Council yet there has been no detailed breakdown of costs/benefitsand, as pointed out above, York is only a depart point. The Press have reported an overall shortfall in budget of £2.3 million so I expect that the residents will be asked to stump up yet more money for this event, the planning for which is lamentable. I want to see prestigious events come to York and I am not anti cyclist but these events have to be planned well and this is not.
If it`s going to bring in as much money as people are saying then we the residents have to pay anything.
[quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: York is spending £1.6 million on this event - more than any other Council yet there has been no detailed breakdown of costs/benefitsand, as pointed out above, York is only a depart point. The Press have reported an overall shortfall in budget of £2.3 million so I expect that the residents will be asked to stump up yet more money for this event, the planning for which is lamentable. I want to see prestigious events come to York and I am not anti cyclist but these events have to be planned well and this is not.[/p][/quote]If it`s going to bring in as much money as people are saying then we the residents have to pay anything. courier46
  • Score: -56

4:39pm Mon 24 Mar 14

courier46 says...

wont have to pay anything
wont have to pay anything courier46
  • Score: 64

5:15pm Mon 24 Mar 14

wallman says...

courier46 wrote:
acomblass wrote:
York is spending £1.6 million on this event - more than any other Council yet there has been no detailed breakdown of costs/benefitsand, as pointed out above, York is only a depart point. The Press have reported an overall shortfall in budget of £2.3 million so I expect that the residents will be asked to stump up yet more money for this event, the planning for which is lamentable. I want to see prestigious events come to York and I am not anti cyclist but these events have to be planned well and this is not.
If it`s going to bring in as much money as people are saying then we the residents have to pay anything.
Royal Ascot was going to bring aleast 50 million pounds into York. What happened to it all? The council spent a lot of money for no return. history to repeat itself?
[quote][p][bold]courier46[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]acomblass[/bold] wrote: York is spending £1.6 million on this event - more than any other Council yet there has been no detailed breakdown of costs/benefitsand, as pointed out above, York is only a depart point. The Press have reported an overall shortfall in budget of £2.3 million so I expect that the residents will be asked to stump up yet more money for this event, the planning for which is lamentable. I want to see prestigious events come to York and I am not anti cyclist but these events have to be planned well and this is not.[/p][/quote]If it`s going to bring in as much money as people are saying then we the residents have to pay anything.[/p][/quote]Royal Ascot was going to bring aleast 50 million pounds into York. What happened to it all? The council spent a lot of money for no return. history to repeat itself? wallman
  • Score: -44

5:20pm Mon 24 Mar 14

katarinavonsweet says...

This is without a doubt the most exciting thing ever to happen to that dog crap infested bog.

I hope the spectator hub goes ahead.... just dont block our drive ;)

Saying that the Council Officials responsible for organising this are truly shambolic. You should talk to your residents and allay their concerns.... not put the fear of god into them.... Badly handled...
This is without a doubt the most exciting thing ever to happen to that dog crap infested bog. I hope the spectator hub goes ahead.... just dont block our drive ;) Saying that the Council Officials responsible for organising this are truly shambolic. You should talk to your residents and allay their concerns.... not put the fear of god into them.... Badly handled... katarinavonsweet
  • Score: -15

6:52pm Mon 24 Mar 14

pault42 says...

Ah the 'Welcome to York' brigade strike again. What a society we live in in this area... Its for a short period of time, for a major event, but the NIMBY's must protest, SAD. I personally don't care about the tour de yorkshire, but come on, a heck of a lot of people do, and maybe a bit of a welcoming spirit might just do something to rebuild this citys' reputation. Heworth, get a grip.
Ah the 'Welcome to York' brigade strike again. What a society we live in in this area... Its for a short period of time, for a major event, but the NIMBY's must protest, SAD. I personally don't care about the tour de yorkshire, but come on, a heck of a lot of people do, and maybe a bit of a welcoming spirit might just do something to rebuild this citys' reputation. Heworth, get a grip. pault42
  • Score: -8

8:29pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

The Great Buda wrote:
York, where the NIMBY's ruin everything.
Why not put it in your back garden then? If your so keen.
If I lived looking onto the stray I certainly would not want to put up with, noise, drunkeness and traffic chaos, so I would be one of the objectors, isn't the knavesmire big enough to hold all of the thousands of spectators that are expected, not that I'm bothered about the bike race anyway as I will be in France out of the way - bet this comment gets a big thumbs down.
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: York, where the NIMBY's ruin everything.[/p][/quote]Why not put it in your back garden then? If your so keen. If I lived looking onto the stray I certainly would not want to put up with, noise, drunkeness and traffic chaos, so I would be one of the objectors, isn't the knavesmire big enough to hold all of the thousands of spectators that are expected, not that I'm bothered about the bike race anyway as I will be in France out of the way - bet this comment gets a big thumbs down. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -77

8:36pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

meme wrote:
I accept it should be only used when its something really special for York and presumably this is for a few days over the Tour d France start.
I don't understand why they want a 14 day licence as it should be only in virtually unique events which this is
However I repeat I would be prepared to put up with it for a few days if I was lucky enough to live looking over the stray as its god for York despite what some sceptics think
It puts us on the map, punching above our weight and is a real feather in Yorks cap
Is it really, it's only the bl**dy start not the whole race, why all the fuss, if your prepared to put up with it, then lets all come round to your gaff an have right party.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: I accept it should be only used when its something really special for York and presumably this is for a few days over the Tour d France start. I don't understand why they want a 14 day licence as it should be only in virtually unique events which this is However I repeat I would be prepared to put up with it for a few days if I was lucky enough to live looking over the stray as its god for York despite what some sceptics think It puts us on the map, punching above our weight and is a real feather in Yorks cap[/p][/quote]Is it really, it's only the bl**dy start not the whole race, why all the fuss, if your prepared to put up with it, then lets all come round to your gaff an have right party. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -41

8:44pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

HeworthM wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
they should have been consulted yes... its called being polite.

But all the talk about booze, violence and crime is a bit ott... after all its not a festival. its a place where cycling enthusiasts watch men in spandex, cycle...Its hardly a hard house rave now...

I suspect the tents etc of the people staying here are more likely to get robbed. Bad form on the councils behalf but come on... I cant see a rave kicking off until 5am with pedalling Paul crowd surfing... as much as I’d like to...
Archiebold the 1st - like many others you miss the larger picture here. The licensing application made is not specifically just for the TdF event. If granted, events for up to 10,000 attendees, involving live music, plays and broadcasts for 14 days/nights per annum will be able to take place without any further consultation with the local residents, or further applications being made.
A legal rave could be held if the council pass this license with only their own further approval needed with food served until 5am - whether operated by themselves or a private operator.
It is the unknown factor of the potential impact of this application which is fundementally the issue - the TdF is the first (proposed) use of the license.
Finally, Monk Stray was used a few years back for the Tour of Britain cycling event, and attracted a crowd which caused damage to the boundary hedgerows which remain today, and nuisance to the local residents in terms of obstructive car parking and public nuissance (including drunkeness). This is an underpinning of a number of residents being against the TdF event - the theory that history has a habit of repeating itself.
You certainly have my sympathy on this, judging by the comments against the objectors it's perfectly clear they do not understand the bigger picture or the hidden agenda, hope the licence is rejected, but knowing how the Teflon coated council work they just might get their way, which would be a travesty.
[quote][p][bold]HeworthM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: they should have been consulted yes... its called being polite. But all the talk about booze, violence and crime is a bit ott... after all its not a festival. its a place where cycling enthusiasts watch men in spandex, cycle...Its hardly a hard house rave now... I suspect the tents etc of the people staying here are more likely to get robbed. Bad form on the councils behalf but come on... I cant see a rave kicking off until 5am with pedalling Paul crowd surfing... as much as I’d like to...[/p][/quote]Archiebold the 1st - like many others you miss the larger picture here. The licensing application made is not specifically just for the TdF event. If granted, events for up to 10,000 attendees, involving live music, plays and broadcasts for 14 days/nights per annum will be able to take place without any further consultation with the local residents, or further applications being made. A legal rave could be held if the council pass this license with only their own further approval needed with food served until 5am - whether operated by themselves or a private operator. It is the unknown factor of the potential impact of this application which is fundementally the issue - the TdF is the first (proposed) use of the license. Finally, Monk Stray was used a few years back for the Tour of Britain cycling event, and attracted a crowd which caused damage to the boundary hedgerows which remain today, and nuisance to the local residents in terms of obstructive car parking and public nuissance (including drunkeness). This is an underpinning of a number of residents being against the TdF event - the theory that history has a habit of repeating itself.[/p][/quote]You certainly have my sympathy on this, judging by the comments against the objectors it's perfectly clear they do not understand the bigger picture or the hidden agenda, hope the licence is rejected, but knowing how the Teflon coated council work they just might get their way, which would be a travesty. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -21

8:49pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

meme wrote:
well said marathon girl
Eh up YorkPatrol, we can all go to meme's as well, what a weekend!
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: well said marathon girl[/p][/quote]Eh up YorkPatrol, we can all go to meme's as well, what a weekend! Igiveinthen
  • Score: -17

11:39am Tue 25 Mar 14

Fabius the Delayer says...

sniper 9964 wrote:
Its a bloody disgrace. The roads around York are horrendous pot holes
and huge cracks CyC refuse to rectify this problem. Its time they sort their act out
Haven't you noticed that all the roads the race is on have been resurfaced!!
Can't wait for the French to come and spray paint on them them like they do In France.
Wonder if the coper's will look leniently on this form of Gaelic self expression..
[quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: Its a bloody disgrace. The roads around York are horrendous pot holes and huge cracks CyC refuse to rectify this problem. Its time they sort their act out[/p][/quote]Haven't you noticed that all the roads the race is on have been resurfaced!! Can't wait for the French to come and spray paint on them them like they do In France. Wonder if the coper's will look leniently on this form of Gaelic self expression.. Fabius the Delayer
  • Score: 4

3:44pm Tue 25 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
meme wrote: well said marathon girl
Eh up YorkPatrol, we can all go to meme's as well, what a weekend!
Awesome - I best book in for a back, sack and crack - It's going to be a belter
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: well said marathon girl[/p][/quote]Eh up YorkPatrol, we can all go to meme's as well, what a weekend![/p][/quote]Awesome - I best book in for a back, sack and crack - It's going to be a belter YorkPatrol
  • Score: 2

3:45pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Kevin Turvey says...

‘Fabius the Delayer says...
Haven't you noticed that all the roads the race is on have been resurfaced!!
Can't wait for the French to come and spray paint on them them like they do In France.
Wonder if the coper's will look leniently on this form of Gaelic self expression..’


I wonder if the graffiti on the newly surfaced roads will state any of the following?:

Alexander Resign now!

Ferret resign now!

Simply Wrong resign now!

This road has been resurfaced for the event – what about all the others full of potholes?
‘Fabius the Delayer says... Haven't you noticed that all the roads the race is on have been resurfaced!! Can't wait for the French to come and spray paint on them them like they do In France. Wonder if the coper's will look leniently on this form of Gaelic self expression..’ I wonder if the graffiti on the newly surfaced roads will state any of the following?: Alexander Resign now! Ferret resign now! Simply Wrong resign now! This road has been resurfaced for the event – what about all the others full of potholes? Kevin Turvey
  • Score: 4

8:05pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Thunderblade says...

Not really a comment on the lead article, although it is connected.

Can someone explain how the City hosting these events ie: Grand Depart, Royal Ascot etc. are of benefit to the ordinary citizens of York?
We hear time after time that such and such an event will add huge amounts of cash to the local economy. I accept the hoteliers, restaurant owners etc. will make a killing, but where does this filter into the local economy? The staff working in hospitality might see an increase in tips but I cant see there wages increasing in relation to the extra profits. Are business rates inked to the profits of the business? I don't think they are., and if they were, York wouldn't benefit as the BR is collected nationally, then distributed back out as central government sees fit. It really baffles me.
Not really a comment on the lead article, although it is connected. Can someone explain how the City hosting these events ie: Grand Depart, Royal Ascot etc. are of benefit to the ordinary citizens of York? We hear time after time that such and such an event will add huge amounts of cash to the local economy. I accept the hoteliers, restaurant owners etc. will make a killing, but where does this filter into the local economy? The staff working in hospitality might see an increase in tips but I cant see there wages increasing in relation to the extra profits. Are business rates inked to the profits of the business? I don't think they are., and if they were, York wouldn't benefit as the BR is collected nationally, then distributed back out as central government sees fit. It really baffles me. Thunderblade
  • Score: 3

11:56am Thu 27 Mar 14

yorkandproud says...

the original Homer wrote:
Tour De France departs are not prestigious events at all. They are non-events.

The exciting bits are hills and finishes, not starts.
Expert on Tour de France are you Homer ? I thought not. Expert on writing tosh, more like.
[quote][p][bold]the original Homer[/bold] wrote: Tour De France departs are not prestigious events at all. They are non-events. The exciting bits are hills and finishes, not starts.[/p][/quote]Expert on Tour de France are you Homer ? I thought not. Expert on writing tosh, more like. yorkandproud
  • Score: -3

1:18pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Guido_Fawkes says...

It'd be interesting to know how many supporters of this actually live in the Heworth area.

If perhaps the Council had approached this a little better and consulted residents appropriately in the first place then they might have gotten a more favourable response, but yet again the Council have barged in with their cavalier attitude of doing what the hell they want with no regard for the residents of York.
It'd be interesting to know how many supporters of this actually live in the Heworth area. If perhaps the Council had approached this a little better and consulted residents appropriately in the first place then they might have gotten a more favourable response, but yet again the Council have barged in with their cavalier attitude of doing what the hell they want with no regard for the residents of York. Guido_Fawkes
  • Score: 0

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