Report by York-based Joseph Rowntree Foundation calls for council tax to be replaced

York Press: Report by York-based Joseph Rowntree Foundation calls for council tax to be replaced Report by York-based Joseph Rowntree Foundation calls for council tax to be replaced

A REPORT by the York-based Joseph Rowntree Foundation is calling for council tax to be replaced by a new ‘progressive’ property tax which would cost poor families less.

The research, ‘After the Council Tax: impacts of property tax reform on people, places and house prices’, examines the impact of replacing the system which it says has become unfair, unpopular and outdated.

The research team at Heriot Watt University says Council Tax is regressive, taking a larger proportion of money from low income households in cheaper properties.

A foundation spokeswoman said one option examined in the report was a progressive property tax, phased in over time and based on property values, which would cut bills for two-thirds of households.

“A progressive property tax would shift the burden from poor families in cheaper properties, to richer ones in more expensive properties,” she said.

“This reform would bring about a greater level of fairness between people and places, the report authors conclude.

“The modelling suggests that bills – currently just under £1,400 a year under Council Tax - would fall by £202 a year for the poorest, cut the median bill by £279 a year and increase them by £184 for those on the highest incomes.”

Kathleen Kelly, Policy and Research Manager at the foundation, said: “Politicians need to start planning for the long-term replacement of Council Tax. Council Tax was a hasty replacement for the hated Poll Tax 25 years ago. It was never designed to last and has not been revalued for over 20 years: without reform, it will wither and die.

“Freezing bills is a treatment but a long-term cure is needed. This is a difficult reform to carry out, and one which requires courage from all the main political parties. But the problem will not go away and failing to plan for alternatives is storing up trouble for the future.”

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11:36am Wed 5 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

so you work hard, studying, developing, saving for a nice house and then you are punished because people who don’t want to put the effort in need subsidising from you... get a grip. Poorer people either get a reduced or zero council tax charge... Why should we continue in our benefits society of helping these people? What will the additional money go towards?

Believe it or not I don’t go to work to give them money out of every pay packet. if they can not afford council tax they need to a) get a job or better job b) move to a cheaper house with lower rate c) budget their money better and stop popping out kids they can't afford.

Just because people earn more money does not mean they have it spare. They earn it and have a right to spend it on their own family.
so you work hard, studying, developing, saving for a nice house and then you are punished because people who don’t want to put the effort in need subsidising from you... get a grip. Poorer people either get a reduced or zero council tax charge... Why should we continue in our benefits society of helping these people? What will the additional money go towards? Believe it or not I don’t go to work to give them money out of every pay packet. if they can not afford council tax they need to a) get a job or better job b) move to a cheaper house with lower rate c) budget their money better and stop popping out kids they can't afford. Just because people earn more money does not mean they have it spare. They earn it and have a right to spend it on their own family. Archiebold the 1st
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12:01pm Wed 5 Mar 14

TheTruthHurts says...

This JRF dont half come up with some BS.

And as they are biased towards the poor and disadvantaged how can any of their reports be taken seriously?
This JRF dont half come up with some BS. And as they are biased towards the poor and disadvantaged how can any of their reports be taken seriously? TheTruthHurts
  • Score: -34

12:19pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Kevin Turvey says...

So what about those of us who pay their full council tax but do not place heavy demands on the system?

Eg. I only have my rubbish removed and street lighting.
Do I get a reduction?
No I thought not!

Yes the other council services and the benefits system are there to be used and provided for people in GENUINE NEED ONLY, not as a lifestyle choice.

However, some members of society pay the smallest or in effect nothing at all and use the most services, some to the point of being a genuine drain on society and contribute nothing positive at all and are only a huge burden for others to carry, in effect oxygen and resource thieves.

‘Thieves’ because they do nothing to justify their own ‘existence’ in the world except overbreed inappropriately, then cannot afford to bring up their own offspring but yet expect others to pay!

How much longer can this majority support this over burdensome minority?

Eventually the curves will cross somewhere and it will have to stop.
It’s about time some of these ‘people’ stood on their own two feet they were given, rather than evolve into two legged vermin that some of them end up!

Unfortunately champagne socialists like the Jo Ro foundation seem to think that because some individuals work hard to educate themselves, get a career, progress, own their own home and have some savings through sheer hard work and sacrifice should also support others that are not capable of such for whatever reason and that people in the better situation have done it to the detriment of others, been greedy, uncaring or have trampled on the others, when in effect they have been responsible and looked after their own.

To the ‘victims’ this fits nicely as it explains the inequality of the greedy people taking advantage of the so called oppressed.

The reality of life is that it is unfair and a race. It is up to the individual to make sure you come out towards the top of the pile rather than being a so called ‘victim’ towards the bottom.

Darwinian Theory will shine through when the eventual and unavoidable total economic and human societal collapse occurs; perhaps these people should learn to look after themselves now as NOBODY will be doing it then.

I do not expect this to last long on the comments page as the Jo Ro foundation may take the view that the truth is not to be told!
So what about those of us who pay their full council tax but do not place heavy demands on the system? Eg. I only have my rubbish removed and street lighting. Do I get a reduction? No I thought not! Yes the other council services and the benefits system are there to be used and provided for people in GENUINE NEED ONLY, not as a lifestyle choice. However, some members of society pay the smallest or in effect nothing at all and use the most services, some to the point of being a genuine drain on society and contribute nothing positive at all and are only a huge burden for others to carry, in effect oxygen and resource thieves. ‘Thieves’ because they do nothing to justify their own ‘existence’ in the world except overbreed inappropriately, then cannot afford to bring up their own offspring but yet expect others to pay! How much longer can this majority support this over burdensome minority? Eventually the curves will cross somewhere and it will have to stop. It’s about time some of these ‘people’ stood on their own two feet they were given, rather than evolve into two legged vermin that some of them end up! Unfortunately champagne socialists like the Jo Ro foundation seem to think that because some individuals work hard to educate themselves, get a career, progress, own their own home and have some savings through sheer hard work and sacrifice should also support others that are not capable of such for whatever reason and that people in the better situation have done it to the detriment of others, been greedy, uncaring or have trampled on the others, when in effect they have been responsible and looked after their own. To the ‘victims’ this fits nicely as it explains the inequality of the greedy people taking advantage of the so called oppressed. The reality of life is that it is unfair and a race. It is up to the individual to make sure you come out towards the top of the pile rather than being a so called ‘victim’ towards the bottom. Darwinian Theory will shine through when the eventual and unavoidable total economic and human societal collapse occurs; perhaps these people should learn to look after themselves now as NOBODY will be doing it then. I do not expect this to last long on the comments page as the Jo Ro foundation may take the view that the truth is not to be told! Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -29

12:31pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Eric Olthwaite says...

I would expect left wing think tanks to put out left wing dogma.

I would expect right wing think tanks to put out right wing dogma.

This is an example of left wing dogma.

Next week the right wing think tank puts out right wing dogma, so what it’s all a load of B0llicks!

Nobody takes any notice of either any more as they do not do anything for the normal members of society and the democratic system we live in is not really democratic any more and very few people vote either way.

We get the governments and policies we deserve by not being bothered to stand up to them of all parties, in that way they have won. The status quo shall be maintained so we can all be controlled and bled dry in some way!

In my perfect world they would all be gone, however in the real world you just ignore all of them and go your own way!
I would expect left wing think tanks to put out left wing dogma. I would expect right wing think tanks to put out right wing dogma. This is an example of left wing dogma. Next week the right wing think tank puts out right wing dogma, so what it’s all a load of B0llicks! Nobody takes any notice of either any more as they do not do anything for the normal members of society and the democratic system we live in is not really democratic any more and very few people vote either way. We get the governments and policies we deserve by not being bothered to stand up to them of all parties, in that way they have won. The status quo shall be maintained so we can all be controlled and bled dry in some way! In my perfect world they would all be gone, however in the real world you just ignore all of them and go your own way! Eric Olthwaite
  • Score: -35

12:37pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Hilly rides Horses says...

Surely a fairer system would be pay for what you used the year before.

Have 10 kids in school and need social services then pay large.

Have no kids and do not use services pay small amount.

What’s wrong with that?

Discuss.

Obviously the report writers want a different thing!
Surely a fairer system would be pay for what you used the year before. Have 10 kids in school and need social services then pay large. Have no kids and do not use services pay small amount. What’s wrong with that? Discuss. Obviously the report writers want a different thing! Hilly rides Horses
  • Score: -35

12:52pm Wed 5 Mar 14

MouseHouse says...

The Council Tax was rushed in to replace the fatally flawed 'Poll Tax' (think it was officially the Community Charge?) I would be amazed if there were not changes that could be made to improve it. The thing that irks me is the two adult houses that get a discount - which is the reality despite it being called the "single person discount". When there was two of us we paid £x, now there's only one adult here why am I not paying 50% of x? We have markedly less money coming in, yet per head am paying more. Just what a family who have lost a parent need.

That needs to change.
The Council Tax was rushed in to replace the fatally flawed 'Poll Tax' (think it was officially the Community Charge?) I would be amazed if there were not changes that could be made to improve it. The thing that irks me is the two adult houses that get a discount - which is the reality despite it being called the "single person discount". When there was two of us we paid £x, now there's only one adult here why am I not paying 50% of x? We have markedly less money coming in, yet per head am paying more. Just what a family who have lost a parent need. That needs to change. MouseHouse
  • Score: -48

12:54pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Teabag1 says...

Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.
Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone. Teabag1
  • Score: 36

1:00pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
This JRF dont half come up with some BS. And as they are biased towards the poor and disadvantaged how can any of their reports be taken seriously?
The JRF's bias is a political one - they are communists !
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: This JRF dont half come up with some BS. And as they are biased towards the poor and disadvantaged how can any of their reports be taken seriously?[/p][/quote]The JRF's bias is a political one - they are communists ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -34

1:04pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

Teabag1 wrote:
Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.
Another ultra-leftist view, that anyone who has worked hard and accumulated some wealth has done so by criminality.

This is rich from these communists who want to seize assets for 're-distriburtion'. Joseph Stalin would be proud that his practices are still endorsed by New Marxism in the 21st Century. ,
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.[/p][/quote]Another ultra-leftist view, that anyone who has worked hard and accumulated some wealth has done so by criminality. This is rich from these communists who want to seize assets for 're-distriburtion'. Joseph Stalin would be proud that his practices are still endorsed by New Marxism in the 21st Century. , Badgers Drift
  • Score: -33

1:18pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

Eric Olthwaite wrote:
I would expect left wing think tanks to put out left wing dogma. I would expect right wing think tanks to put out right wing dogma. This is an example of left wing dogma. Next week the right wing think tank puts out right wing dogma, so what it’s all a load of B0llicks! Nobody takes any notice of either any more as they do not do anything for the normal members of society and the democratic system we live in is not really democratic any more and very few people vote either way. We get the governments and policies we deserve by not being bothered to stand up to them of all parties, in that way they have won. The status quo shall be maintained so we can all be controlled and bled dry in some way! In my perfect world they would all be gone, however in the real world you just ignore all of them and go your own way!
JRF are no longer a charity. If they were truly charitable, they would use their considerable wealth; £260m in cash and investments (other than rental property portfolio), to address the needs they purport to support. Instead they spend most of their investment income employing hundreds of staff doing research. Many of their staff are left wing extremists, more interested in following (on Twitter) other organisations and individuals who sing from the same communist song sheet. Charities like; NESTA, Young Foundation, organisations like DEMOS, Fabian Society, Left Foot Forward, RSA and individuals like; Polly Toynbee, Alastair Campbell, David Aaranovitch, Owen Jones, Mehdi Hasan, Matthew Taylor, Geoff Mulgan, Dominic Campbell, Julia Middleton. plus ultra-left Labour MP's.

They are also part of a clique (movement) in York of a cultural political elite who have an agenda which includes controlling certain parts of the media, and growing the city in a way that adheres to their principles favouring the Third Sector, Community Interest Companies, and 'Social Innovation'.

York is under threat from a marxist conspiracy !
[quote][p][bold]Eric Olthwaite[/bold] wrote: I would expect left wing think tanks to put out left wing dogma. I would expect right wing think tanks to put out right wing dogma. This is an example of left wing dogma. Next week the right wing think tank puts out right wing dogma, so what it’s all a load of B0llicks! Nobody takes any notice of either any more as they do not do anything for the normal members of society and the democratic system we live in is not really democratic any more and very few people vote either way. We get the governments and policies we deserve by not being bothered to stand up to them of all parties, in that way they have won. The status quo shall be maintained so we can all be controlled and bled dry in some way! In my perfect world they would all be gone, however in the real world you just ignore all of them and go your own way![/p][/quote]JRF are no longer a charity. If they were truly charitable, they would use their considerable wealth; £260m in cash and investments (other than rental property portfolio), to address the needs they purport to support. Instead they spend most of their investment income employing hundreds of staff doing research. Many of their staff are left wing extremists, more interested in following (on Twitter) other organisations and individuals who sing from the same communist song sheet. Charities like; NESTA, Young Foundation, organisations like DEMOS, Fabian Society, Left Foot Forward, RSA and individuals like; Polly Toynbee, Alastair Campbell, David Aaranovitch, Owen Jones, Mehdi Hasan, Matthew Taylor, Geoff Mulgan, Dominic Campbell, Julia Middleton. plus ultra-left Labour MP's. They are also part of a clique (movement) in York of a cultural political elite who have an agenda which includes controlling certain parts of the media, and growing the city in a way that adheres to their principles favouring the Third Sector, Community Interest Companies, and 'Social Innovation'. York is under threat from a marxist conspiracy ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -65

1:59pm Wed 5 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

Teabag1 wrote:
Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.
They aren’t nasty comments, just truthful.

Personally I don’t care how the poor are poor whether this being through laziness or circumstance – I just don’t want to help them.

It’s a tough world but you get the hand your dealt…. If it’s a poor hand, you do something about it and if you can’t be bothered…… do one!
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.[/p][/quote]They aren’t nasty comments, just truthful. Personally I don’t care how the poor are poor whether this being through laziness or circumstance – I just don’t want to help them. It’s a tough world but you get the hand your dealt…. If it’s a poor hand, you do something about it and if you can’t be bothered…… do one! YorkPatrol
  • Score: -67

2:22pm Wed 5 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

A foundation spokeswoman said:
"A progressive property tax would shift the burden from poor families in cheaper properties, to richer ones in more expensive properties,” she said.

How shallow, property value is not immediately indicative of wealth. Many people have struggled to buy a more expensive property, foregoing many luxuries to enable them to do this. Years of effort and hard work to pay the value of the house for it to be retrospectively taxed above the current inflated cost for the same services.

You might argue that someone living in a cheaper house is more able to pay than those living in a larger house and paying more mortgage, insurance, service bills and needing a larger more expensive house because they have more than one kid.

I pay my share of tax based on what I earn (a known formula), what remains is for me to choose how to invest/spend. This is not about sharing the wealth, it is about distributing the misery. Not only will they want to sell your house to pay for residential care in old age, but while your living and working we'll screw you for every penny we can.

JRF should be asking why it costs residents so much for little more than having their bins emptied (fact). If you have an issue with council tax, investigate how it is spent and who benefits and aim to reduce the costs for everyone. Find out where the waste is, how we are being burdened with debt that has no fundamental payback or benefit for residents.

It's all too easy to drive down a street and assume nice area, nice house, clean curtains, must mean they own a washing machine therefore they can pay more.
A foundation spokeswoman said: "A progressive property tax would shift the burden from poor families in cheaper properties, to richer ones in more expensive properties,” she said. How shallow, property value is not immediately indicative of wealth. Many people have struggled to buy a more expensive property, foregoing many luxuries to enable them to do this. Years of effort and hard work to pay the value of the house for it to be retrospectively taxed above the current inflated cost for the same services. You might argue that someone living in a cheaper house is more able to pay than those living in a larger house and paying more mortgage, insurance, service bills and needing a larger more expensive house because they have more than one kid. I pay my share of tax based on what I earn (a known formula), what remains is for me to choose how to invest/spend. This is not about sharing the wealth, it is about distributing the misery. Not only will they want to sell your house to pay for residential care in old age, but while your living and working we'll screw you for every penny we can. JRF should be asking why it costs residents so much for little more than having their bins emptied (fact). If you have an issue with council tax, investigate how it is spent and who benefits and aim to reduce the costs for everyone. Find out where the waste is, how we are being burdened with debt that has no fundamental payback or benefit for residents. It's all too easy to drive down a street and assume nice area, nice house, clean curtains, must mean they own a washing machine therefore they can pay more. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -33

2:28pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Teabag1 wrote:
Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.
This then refers to my option b & c. Get a better job/ don't have kids you can not afford. In other words live with the money you have. If you stick by that line what can you do wrong? The rich guy has more money has he manages to do this basic simplistic art better then the poor. You won't see Alan sugar going to bright house or wonga then complain they are asking for too much back.
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.[/p][/quote]This then refers to my option b & c. Get a better job/ don't have kids you can not afford. In other words live with the money you have. If you stick by that line what can you do wrong? The rich guy has more money has he manages to do this basic simplistic art better then the poor. You won't see Alan sugar going to bright house or wonga then complain they are asking for too much back. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -46

2:33pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Kevin Turvey says...

Teabag1 says...

‘gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways’

1st of all it’s ‘their’ rather than ‘there’
Also rich is not an objectively defined ‘status’, it’s a wholly subjective description on your part.
I am far from ‘rich’ but I am comfortable due my own efforts.
Perhaps peoples ‘rich status’ has been ‘gained’ or in my case obtained through good old fashioned hard work and sacrifice, something that some people have no comprehension of.
The get rich brigade quick by ‘in illegal ways in greedy ways’’ often get poor quickly as well!



‘just having been passed the silver spoon.’

Not at all, my family background is from the bottom of society, any success has been hard won!



‘Don't be so quick to judge everyone’

You should take some of your own advice!



‘Tut Tut Tut’
Don’t knock the people who have done ok for themselves by their own efforts, knock the ones that do nothing to make their lot any better!


The Jo Ro Foundation is a property leasing business in all but name, it’s doing very well on its charitable, tax free status through its huge portfolio of property and as an aside they write some reports that nobody takes any notice of to keep up the pretence to their customers that they are doing them a favour by championing for the poor.

In reality they are holding back their tenants into longer term poverty, from owning a property of their own and being independent of their ‘help’ by giving them a nice little safety net that is just a bit cheaper than buying in the short term, but much more costly in the long term (having to pay rent after mortgage would have been all paid),, rather than allowing their customers to learn to swim by themselves, thereby guaranteeing themselves future custom, a nice con trick don’t you think?.
Teabag1 says... ‘gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways’ 1st of all it’s ‘their’ rather than ‘there’ Also rich is not an objectively defined ‘status’, it’s a wholly subjective description on your part. I am far from ‘rich’ but I am comfortable due my own efforts. Perhaps peoples ‘rich status’ has been ‘gained’ or in my case obtained through good old fashioned hard work and sacrifice, something that some people have no comprehension of. The get rich brigade quick by ‘in illegal ways in greedy ways’’ often get poor quickly as well! ‘just having been passed the silver spoon.’ Not at all, my family background is from the bottom of society, any success has been hard won! ‘Don't be so quick to judge everyone’ You should take some of your own advice! ‘Tut Tut Tut’ Don’t knock the people who have done ok for themselves by their own efforts, knock the ones that do nothing to make their lot any better! The Jo Ro Foundation is a property leasing business in all but name, it’s doing very well on its charitable, tax free status through its huge portfolio of property and as an aside they write some reports that nobody takes any notice of to keep up the pretence to their customers that they are doing them a favour by championing for the poor. In reality they are holding back their tenants into longer term poverty, from owning a property of their own and being independent of their ‘help’ by giving them a nice little safety net that is just a bit cheaper than buying in the short term, but much more costly in the long term (having to pay rent after mortgage would have been all paid),, rather than allowing their customers to learn to swim by themselves, thereby guaranteeing themselves future custom, a nice con trick don’t you think?. Kevin Turvey
  • Score: -61

2:37pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Teabag1 says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Teabag1 wrote:
Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.
Another ultra-leftist view, that anyone who has worked hard and accumulated some wealth has done so by criminality.

This is rich from these communists who want to seize assets for 're-distriburtion'. Joseph Stalin would be proud that his practices are still endorsed by New Marxism in the 21st Century. ,
Did I say "Anyone" why don't you read properly you imbecile.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.[/p][/quote]Another ultra-leftist view, that anyone who has worked hard and accumulated some wealth has done so by criminality. This is rich from these communists who want to seize assets for 're-distriburtion'. Joseph Stalin would be proud that his practices are still endorsed by New Marxism in the 21st Century. ,[/p][/quote]Did I say "Anyone" why don't you read properly you imbecile. Teabag1
  • Score: 37

2:39pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Teabag1 says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
Teabag1 wrote:
Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.
They aren’t nasty comments, just truthful.

Personally I don’t care how the poor are poor whether this being through laziness or circumstance – I just don’t want to help them.

It’s a tough world but you get the hand your dealt…. If it’s a poor hand, you do something about it and if you can’t be bothered…… do one!
Jesus Christ remind me not to **** on you when your on fire!
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.[/p][/quote]They aren’t nasty comments, just truthful. Personally I don’t care how the poor are poor whether this being through laziness or circumstance – I just don’t want to help them. It’s a tough world but you get the hand your dealt…. If it’s a poor hand, you do something about it and if you can’t be bothered…… do one![/p][/quote]Jesus Christ remind me not to **** on you when your on fire! Teabag1
  • Score: 50

2:42pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Teabag1 says...

ha ha your all very angry and bitter old beans whats eating you all today have they raised the price of dentafix.
ha ha your all very angry and bitter old beans whats eating you all today have they raised the price of dentafix. Teabag1
  • Score: 48

2:53pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Agent 37 Bodie says...

I think I have solved the scores elf conspiracy.

Three times today I have voted thumbs DOWN on a comment and every time it has confirmed back that I have voted +1.

I did not belief it and had to try on a few other stories!

The thumbs UP seems to work fine.

Try it and see. Truly bizarre or just poor website programming maintenance/devilmen
t?
I think I have solved the scores elf conspiracy. Three times today I have voted thumbs DOWN on a comment and every time it has confirmed back that I have voted +1. I did not belief it and had to try on a few other stories! The thumbs UP seems to work fine. Try it and see. Truly bizarre or just poor website programming maintenance/devilmen t? Agent 37 Bodie
  • Score: 30

3:01pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

Check out Kathleen Kelly and other senior JRF staff on Twitter and see who they follow........

I rest my case.
Check out Kathleen Kelly and other senior JRF staff on Twitter and see who they follow........ I rest my case. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -55

3:01pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Teabag1 wrote:
ha ha your all very angry and bitter old beans whats eating you all today have they raised the price of dentafix.
that depends on how much you earn.... purchasing things has now been related using the JRA methodology.
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: ha ha your all very angry and bitter old beans whats eating you all today have they raised the price of dentafix.[/p][/quote]that depends on how much you earn.... purchasing things has now been related using the JRA methodology. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -42

3:35pm Wed 5 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

Teabag1 wrote:
YorkPatrol wrote:
Teabag1 wrote: Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.
They aren’t nasty comments, just truthful. Personally I don’t care how the poor are poor whether this being through laziness or circumstance – I just don’t want to help them. It’s a tough world but you get the hand your dealt…. If it’s a poor hand, you do something about it and if you can’t be bothered…… do one!
Jesus Christ remind me not to **** on you when your on fire!
Should I happen to be on fire, rather than urinate on me I would prefer for you to use H2O but if you are poor do neither as I don’t want to give to you therefore expect nothing in return
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.[/p][/quote]They aren’t nasty comments, just truthful. Personally I don’t care how the poor are poor whether this being through laziness or circumstance – I just don’t want to help them. It’s a tough world but you get the hand your dealt…. If it’s a poor hand, you do something about it and if you can’t be bothered…… do one![/p][/quote]Jesus Christ remind me not to **** on you when your on fire![/p][/quote]Should I happen to be on fire, rather than urinate on me I would prefer for you to use H2O but if you are poor do neither as I don’t want to give to you therefore expect nothing in return YorkPatrol
  • Score: -27

3:49pm Wed 5 Mar 14

meme says...

Council tax is all wrong and should go forever and be replaced with tax based on numbers of people in a house and therefore the use of services. why should a single retired person in a big old house pay the same as a family of 5 in a smaller house who use all council services?
Plus car tax could go up and a proportion returned to councils to reflect road usage
This would be far fairer and reflect actual use of services rather than based on wealth
Council tax is all wrong and should go forever and be replaced with tax based on numbers of people in a house and therefore the use of services. why should a single retired person in a big old house pay the same as a family of 5 in a smaller house who use all council services? Plus car tax could go up and a proportion returned to councils to reflect road usage This would be far fairer and reflect actual use of services rather than based on wealth meme
  • Score: 54

4:09pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Sillybillies says...

meme says...
Council tax is all wrong and should go forever and be replaced with tax based on numbers of people in a house and therefore the use of services. why should a single retired person in a big old house pay the same as a family of 5 in a smaller house who use all council services?

That was the wrongly named "poll tax" or community charge, the fairest taxation system for local services ever devised. The problem was that heaven forbid that the lazy, feckless, and of course students should have to pay tax.
[quote]meme says... Council tax is all wrong and should go forever and be replaced with tax based on numbers of people in a house and therefore the use of services. why should a single retired person in a big old house pay the same as a family of 5 in a smaller house who use all council services?[/quote] That was the wrongly named "poll tax" or community charge, the fairest taxation system for local services ever devised. The problem was that heaven forbid that the lazy, feckless, and of course students should have to pay tax. Sillybillies
  • Score: -45

5:12pm Wed 5 Mar 14

MouseHouse says...

The other abomination about the Council Tax was the 50% discount on second homes, this deprived some areas of much needed income, falsely inflated house prices and forced locals out of the area. That has the knock-one of weakening communities.

Any home, after your main residence, should be charged at double or treble tax, there are exceptions of course, but they should be exceptions. The plague of multiple house ownership must be stopped.
The other abomination about the Council Tax was the 50% discount on second homes, this deprived some areas of much needed income, falsely inflated house prices and forced locals out of the area. That has the knock-one of weakening communities. Any home, after your main residence, should be charged at double or treble tax, there are exceptions of course, but they should be exceptions. The plague of multiple house ownership must be stopped. MouseHouse
  • Score: 50

5:15pm Wed 5 Mar 14

meme says...

I forgot about Poll tax and how it was based but because all had to pay, of course it was not accepted by a very violent minority and virtually brought down a government
so who will bring back the fairness of that type of system ie you pay by use not by wealth
I forgot about Poll tax and how it was based but because all had to pay, of course it was not accepted by a very violent minority and virtually brought down a government so who will bring back the fairness of that type of system ie you pay by use not by wealth meme
  • Score: -37

5:36pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Check out Kathleen Kelly and other senior JRF staff on Twitter and see who they follow........

I rest my case.
Wish you blooody would!
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: Check out Kathleen Kelly and other senior JRF staff on Twitter and see who they follow........ I rest my case.[/p][/quote]Wish you blooody would! Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 54

5:40pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Teabag1 wrote:
Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.
Another ultra-leftist view, that anyone who has worked hard and accumulated some wealth has done so by criminality.

This is rich from these communists who want to seize assets for 're-distriburtion'. Joseph Stalin would be proud that his practices are still endorsed by New Marxism in the 21st Century. ,
So quick are you to knee jerk your paranoid fantasy that you can't see the valid point being made.
The poster was comparing the minority of lazy sods to the minority who have made their riches illegally to make the point about over generalisation. Something you appear to be good at.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.[/p][/quote]Another ultra-leftist view, that anyone who has worked hard and accumulated some wealth has done so by criminality. This is rich from these communists who want to seize assets for 're-distriburtion'. Joseph Stalin would be proud that his practices are still endorsed by New Marxism in the 21st Century. ,[/p][/quote]So quick are you to knee jerk your paranoid fantasy that you can't see the valid point being made. The poster was comparing the minority of lazy sods to the minority who have made their riches illegally to make the point about over generalisation. Something you appear to be good at. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 58

9:05pm Wed 5 Mar 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

The mark-down mongrel is active.

Strange how the minority commenters get the most favourable response.

Although I can see why you need to adjust the scores, having little in the way of ability to convince opinions any other way.

Keep it up, woof, woof.
The mark-down mongrel is active. Strange how the minority commenters get the most favourable response. Although I can see why you need to adjust the scores, having little in the way of ability to convince opinions any other way. Keep it up, woof, woof. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: 2

4:57am Thu 6 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
so you work hard, studying, developing, saving for a nice house and then you are punished because people who don’t want to put the effort in need subsidising from you... get a grip. Poorer people either get a reduced or zero council tax charge... Why should we continue in our benefits society of helping these people? What will the additional money go towards?

Believe it or not I don’t go to work to give them money out of every pay packet. if they can not afford council tax they need to a) get a job or better job b) move to a cheaper house with lower rate c) budget their money better and stop popping out kids they can't afford.

Just because people earn more money does not mean they have it spare. They earn it and have a right to spend it on their own family.
have you considered running to become the next leader of the Conservatives? you have all the qualities they look for in a new leader.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: so you work hard, studying, developing, saving for a nice house and then you are punished because people who don’t want to put the effort in need subsidising from you... get a grip. Poorer people either get a reduced or zero council tax charge... Why should we continue in our benefits society of helping these people? What will the additional money go towards? Believe it or not I don’t go to work to give them money out of every pay packet. if they can not afford council tax they need to a) get a job or better job b) move to a cheaper house with lower rate c) budget their money better and stop popping out kids they can't afford. Just because people earn more money does not mean they have it spare. They earn it and have a right to spend it on their own family.[/p][/quote]have you considered running to become the next leader of the Conservatives? you have all the qualities they look for in a new leader. Magicman!
  • Score: 2

8:24am Thu 6 Mar 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Magicman! wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote: so you work hard, studying, developing, saving for a nice house and then you are punished because people who don’t want to put the effort in need subsidising from you... get a grip. Poorer people either get a reduced or zero council tax charge... Why should we continue in our benefits society of helping these people? What will the additional money go towards? Believe it or not I don’t go to work to give them money out of every pay packet. if they can not afford council tax they need to a) get a job or better job b) move to a cheaper house with lower rate c) budget their money better and stop popping out kids they can't afford. Just because people earn more money does not mean they have it spare. They earn it and have a right to spend it on their own family.
have you considered running to become the next leader of the Conservatives? you have all the qualities they look for in a new leader.
what common sense and a hatred for the benifit culture? bawbag.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: so you work hard, studying, developing, saving for a nice house and then you are punished because people who don’t want to put the effort in need subsidising from you... get a grip. Poorer people either get a reduced or zero council tax charge... Why should we continue in our benefits society of helping these people? What will the additional money go towards? Believe it or not I don’t go to work to give them money out of every pay packet. if they can not afford council tax they need to a) get a job or better job b) move to a cheaper house with lower rate c) budget their money better and stop popping out kids they can't afford. Just because people earn more money does not mean they have it spare. They earn it and have a right to spend it on their own family.[/p][/quote]have you considered running to become the next leader of the Conservatives? you have all the qualities they look for in a new leader.[/p][/quote]what common sense and a hatred for the benifit culture? bawbag. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: -6

6:22pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Oncebitten says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
This JRF dont half come up with some BS. And as they are biased towards the poor and disadvantaged how can any of their reports be taken seriously?
The JRF's bias is a political one - they are communists !
and you are an idiot.......life's never fair!
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: This JRF dont half come up with some BS. And as they are biased towards the poor and disadvantaged how can any of their reports be taken seriously?[/p][/quote]The JRF's bias is a political one - they are communists ![/p][/quote]and you are an idiot.......life's never fair! Oncebitten
  • Score: 5

7:29pm Thu 6 Mar 14

MouseHouse says...

Oncebitten wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote:
This JRF dont half come up with some BS. And as they are biased towards the poor and disadvantaged how can any of their reports be taken seriously?
The JRF's bias is a political one - they are communists !
and you are an idiot.......life's never fair!
Life being unfair doesn't mean you have to accept all its inequalities. Some will always have more money than others, but it need not be such a wide gap. Some will always have more food than others, but the planet has plenty to go round. Why then do we see people starving? Some people have more intelligence than others and others more physical prowess, but together they form something greater than its parts.

This is a hugely unjust world, but the apathy of people to do something about it is awfully sad.
[quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: This JRF dont half come up with some BS. And as they are biased towards the poor and disadvantaged how can any of their reports be taken seriously?[/p][/quote]The JRF's bias is a political one - they are communists ![/p][/quote]and you are an idiot.......life's never fair![/p][/quote]Life being unfair doesn't mean you have to accept all its inequalities. Some will always have more money than others, but it need not be such a wide gap. Some will always have more food than others, but the planet has plenty to go round. Why then do we see people starving? Some people have more intelligence than others and others more physical prowess, but together they form something greater than its parts. This is a hugely unjust world, but the apathy of people to do something about it is awfully sad. MouseHouse
  • Score: -1

12:23am Fri 7 Mar 14

Badgers Drift says...

Oncebitten wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
TheTruthHurts wrote: This JRF dont half come up with some BS. And as they are biased towards the poor and disadvantaged how can any of their reports be taken seriously?
The JRF's bias is a political one - they are communists !
and you are an idiot.......life's never fair!
Glad that you agree that they are communists !
[quote][p][bold]Oncebitten[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: This JRF dont half come up with some BS. And as they are biased towards the poor and disadvantaged how can any of their reports be taken seriously?[/p][/quote]The JRF's bias is a political one - they are communists ![/p][/quote]and you are an idiot.......life's never fair![/p][/quote]Glad that you agree that they are communists ! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -2

7:57am Fri 7 Mar 14

CaroleBaines says...

Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Teabag1 wrote:
Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.
This then refers to my option b & c. Get a better job/ don't have kids you can not afford. In other words live with the money you have. If you stick by that line what can you do wrong? The rich guy has more money has he manages to do this basic simplistic art better then the poor. You won't see Alan sugar going to bright house or wonga then complain they are asking for too much back.
Mum, dad two kids doing well. Dad has stroke, goes from earning £40k per year to getting £6k DLA and about £2k income support. Mum gets another £3k as his carer. Mortgage is the average £7k a year. You do the maths - you think about how people fall off the 'I'm ok Jack train'. You grow up a bit. That simple. Welfare for most is a safety net for when things go wrong, not the scrounge route the Daily Mail have you believe.
[quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.[/p][/quote]This then refers to my option b & c. Get a better job/ don't have kids you can not afford. In other words live with the money you have. If you stick by that line what can you do wrong? The rich guy has more money has he manages to do this basic simplistic art better then the poor. You won't see Alan sugar going to bright house or wonga then complain they are asking for too much back.[/p][/quote]Mum, dad two kids doing well. Dad has stroke, goes from earning £40k per year to getting £6k DLA and about £2k income support. Mum gets another £3k as his carer. Mortgage is the average £7k a year. You do the maths - you think about how people fall off the 'I'm ok Jack train'. You grow up a bit. That simple. Welfare for most is a safety net for when things go wrong, not the scrounge route the Daily Mail have you believe. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 8

1:37pm Mon 10 Mar 14

York_Jester says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Teabag1 wrote:
Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.
This then refers to my option b & c. Get a better job/ don't have kids you can not afford. In other words live with the money you have. If you stick by that line what can you do wrong? The rich guy has more money has he manages to do this basic simplistic art better then the poor. You won't see Alan sugar going to bright house or wonga then complain they are asking for too much back.
Mum, dad two kids doing well. Dad has stroke, goes from earning £40k per year to getting £6k DLA and about £2k income support. Mum gets another £3k as his carer. Mortgage is the average £7k a year. You do the maths - you think about how people fall off the 'I'm ok Jack train'. You grow up a bit. That simple. Welfare for most is a safety net for when things go wrong, not the scrounge route the Daily Mail have you believe.
Should of got disability insurance to be fair. I've just turned 24 and I have it. I wouldn't even think about getting a mortgage before I had my own safety net in place.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.[/p][/quote]This then refers to my option b & c. Get a better job/ don't have kids you can not afford. In other words live with the money you have. If you stick by that line what can you do wrong? The rich guy has more money has he manages to do this basic simplistic art better then the poor. You won't see Alan sugar going to bright house or wonga then complain they are asking for too much back.[/p][/quote]Mum, dad two kids doing well. Dad has stroke, goes from earning £40k per year to getting £6k DLA and about £2k income support. Mum gets another £3k as his carer. Mortgage is the average £7k a year. You do the maths - you think about how people fall off the 'I'm ok Jack train'. You grow up a bit. That simple. Welfare for most is a safety net for when things go wrong, not the scrounge route the Daily Mail have you believe.[/p][/quote]Should of got disability insurance to be fair. I've just turned 24 and I have it. I wouldn't even think about getting a mortgage before I had my own safety net in place. York_Jester
  • Score: 0

1:43pm Mon 10 Mar 14

CaroleBaines says...

York_Jester wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Archiebold the 1st wrote:
Teabag1 wrote:
Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.
This then refers to my option b & c. Get a better job/ don't have kids you can not afford. In other words live with the money you have. If you stick by that line what can you do wrong? The rich guy has more money has he manages to do this basic simplistic art better then the poor. You won't see Alan sugar going to bright house or wonga then complain they are asking for too much back.
Mum, dad two kids doing well. Dad has stroke, goes from earning £40k per year to getting £6k DLA and about £2k income support. Mum gets another £3k as his carer. Mortgage is the average £7k a year. You do the maths - you think about how people fall off the 'I'm ok Jack train'. You grow up a bit. That simple. Welfare for most is a safety net for when things go wrong, not the scrounge route the Daily Mail have you believe.
Should of got disability insurance to be fair. I've just turned 24 and I have it. I wouldn't even think about getting a mortgage before I had my own safety net in place.
Fair comment, although it is expensive and does not cover everything, in particular, an pre-existing condition.
[quote][p][bold]York_Jester[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Archiebold the 1st[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Tut Tut Tut some very nasty comments on here aimed at poor folk, look at it this way, yes there are some lazy sods that claim benefits, keep having kids they cant afford etc etc but there is also genuine people/familys trying there hardest to make ends meet working every hour god sends. Just like all of us who have worked hard for what we have there are others who have gained there rich status in illegal ways in greedy ways or just having been passed the silver spoon. Don't be so quick to judge everyone.[/p][/quote]This then refers to my option b & c. Get a better job/ don't have kids you can not afford. In other words live with the money you have. If you stick by that line what can you do wrong? The rich guy has more money has he manages to do this basic simplistic art better then the poor. You won't see Alan sugar going to bright house or wonga then complain they are asking for too much back.[/p][/quote]Mum, dad two kids doing well. Dad has stroke, goes from earning £40k per year to getting £6k DLA and about £2k income support. Mum gets another £3k as his carer. Mortgage is the average £7k a year. You do the maths - you think about how people fall off the 'I'm ok Jack train'. You grow up a bit. That simple. Welfare for most is a safety net for when things go wrong, not the scrounge route the Daily Mail have you believe.[/p][/quote]Should of got disability insurance to be fair. I've just turned 24 and I have it. I wouldn't even think about getting a mortgage before I had my own safety net in place.[/p][/quote]Fair comment, although it is expensive and does not cover everything, in particular, an pre-existing condition. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 0

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