Rising bollard in Stonebow, York, to stay

The rising bollard in Stonebow

The rising bollard in Stonebow

First published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , mark.stead@thepress.co.uk

A RISING bollard in York will stay in place despite council transport bosses admitting the system is expensive, slows vehicles down and does not work “consistently well”.

The Stonebow bollard, which has been out of action for several weeks following a major malfunction, was introduced by City of York Council 14 years ago to reduce the number of cars using the area as an illegal “rat run”, but has been dogged by problems. It is not set to be removed, but other bollards are unlikely to be installed elsewhere in York.

Documents obtained by The Press under the Freedom of Information Act, detailing council discussions about the controversial Lendal Bridge trial, revealed a similar system was ruled out when new traffic restrictions were introduced on the bridge.

Asked why a bollard was not used to manage traffic, head of sustainable transport Ruth Stephenson said: “They don’t work consistently well. The one at Stonebow lets more vehicles through than are permitted because the automatic number-plate recognition is not always accurate enough to be left to manage it automatically.

“They are expensive to run and operate as there are ongoing maintenance costs and random damage costs, usually from vehicles tailgating. In addition, there is a delay while the bollard has to rise and lower, which was not considered appropriate at Lendal Bridge.”

Ms Stephenson said she was also concerned about the “knock-on effect” on York’s bus network if a Lendal Bridge bollard jammed in the “up” position. Stonebow is another key bus route, but the bollard’s operating times – 8am until 6pm – do not correspond with new Coppergate traffic restrictions introduced last year.

Darren Capes, the council’s transport systems manager, said: “Although the use of rising bollards at less-busy, limited-access sites such as York Designer Outlet and Victoria Bar have proved successful, their use on busy sections of highway such as Stonebow is not something the council is looking to expand at the moment.

“Rising bollards are complex mechanical systems and suffer from reliability problems when used extensively. They are also slow to operate, which can cause delays, and prone to failing to detect vehicles which should be allowed through.”

He said the Stonebow bollard will be used again once a “major component failure” is repaired, but restrictions remained even when it was not working.

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8:40am Tue 4 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

It hasn't worked for months.
It hasn't worked for months. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 11

8:52am Tue 4 Mar 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Buzzz Light-year wrote:
It hasn't worked for months.
It hasn't really worked since it was installed. Cars only have to go along St Saviourgate to get to the other end of Stonebow, or as I have seen some vehicles, just go in the "wrong"side and bypass the bollard!
[quote][p][bold]Buzzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: It hasn't worked for months.[/p][/quote]It hasn't really worked since it was installed. Cars only have to go along St Saviourgate to get to the other end of Stonebow, or as I have seen some vehicles, just go in the "wrong"side and bypass the bollard! AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 3

9:06am Tue 4 Mar 14

Pete the Brickie says...

The council supplied gadgets to make it drop must be readily available second hand, I've seen normal cars drive up to it and watched it operate.
The council supplied gadgets to make it drop must be readily available second hand, I've seen normal cars drive up to it and watched it operate. Pete the Brickie
  • Score: 6

9:10am Tue 4 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

Thought we were to get ANPR cameras at that site. They work well elsewhere so why not here?
Thought we were to get ANPR cameras at that site. They work well elsewhere so why not here? pedalling paul
  • Score: -3

9:17am Tue 4 Mar 14

AGuyFromStrensall says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Thought we were to get ANPR cameras at that site. They work well elsewhere so why not here?
Cost of removing it would eat into the cycling budget? ;)
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Thought we were to get ANPR cameras at that site. They work well elsewhere so why not here?[/p][/quote]Cost of removing it would eat into the cycling budget? ;) AGuyFromStrensall
  • Score: 9

9:46am Tue 4 Mar 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

If it stays in place, it can hardly be a 'rising' bollard, can it? It becomes a straightforward, stationery bollard.
If it stays in place, it can hardly be a 'rising' bollard, can it? It becomes a straightforward, stationery bollard. Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: 8

10:50am Tue 4 Mar 14

sniper 9964 says...

Its not on ANPR its on a inductive loop. Which was ment to detect a transponder. But as bus companies got them free and taxis had to pay. Majority of taxi drivers refused to buy them. So cyc turned it to a detect any thing mode. Hence the reason any one can drive through. Turn it to transponder and if taxis dont want to buy then thats their choice
Its not on ANPR its on a inductive loop. Which was ment to detect a transponder. But as bus companies got them free and taxis had to pay. Majority of taxi drivers refused to buy them. So cyc turned it to a detect any thing mode. Hence the reason any one can drive through. Turn it to transponder and if taxis dont want to buy then thats their choice sniper 9964
  • Score: 4

11:40am Tue 4 Mar 14

piaggio1 says...

Well if its expensive. . CYC will love it.
Just out of curiosity. ..is cyc trying to copy/clone Edinburgh city council? ???
Well if its expensive. . CYC will love it. Just out of curiosity. ..is cyc trying to copy/clone Edinburgh city council? ??? piaggio1
  • Score: 3

12:29pm Tue 4 Mar 14

GotOutOfIt says...

Other cities in Europe, Barcelona as an example, are removing this type of bollard because of all the problems mentioned above and the amount of money it costs them in repairs etc.

As usual CYC just want to create more chaos, higher costs, and impact legitimate road users even more.

I see the average council tax rise this year is 0.5%, York is 1.9% - I wonder why???
Other cities in Europe, Barcelona as an example, are removing this type of bollard because of all the problems mentioned above and the amount of money it costs them in repairs etc. As usual CYC just want to create more chaos, higher costs, and impact legitimate road users even more. I see the average council tax rise this year is 0.5%, York is 1.9% - I wonder why??? GotOutOfIt
  • Score: 6

1:10pm Tue 4 Mar 14

purpletimbo says...

Almost all taxis bought them when it was introduced, even though it was not needed for that bollard, as number plate recognition was installed from day one for temporary allowance of one off vehicles, not added later. They were sold on the understanding that they would operate the Designer Outlet, Poppleton Millfield Lane and Victoria Bar bollards, after getting £37 each from 1,000 taxis, they backtracked and said they would only operate Stonebow, which they were never needed for.
Almost all taxis bought them when it was introduced, even though it was not needed for that bollard, as number plate recognition was installed from day one for temporary allowance of one off vehicles, not added later. They were sold on the understanding that they would operate the Designer Outlet, Poppleton Millfield Lane and Victoria Bar bollards, after getting £37 each from 1,000 taxis, they backtracked and said they would only operate Stonebow, which they were never needed for. purpletimbo
  • Score: 3

1:41pm Tue 4 Mar 14

sniper 9964 says...

purpletimbo wrote:
Almost all taxis bought them when it was introduced, even though it was not needed for that bollard, as number plate recognition was installed from day one for temporary allowance of one off vehicles, not added later. They were sold on the understanding that they would operate the Designer Outlet, Poppleton Millfield Lane and Victoria Bar bollards, after getting £37 each from 1,000 taxis, they backtracked and said they would only operate Stonebow, which they were never needed for.
It has never been ANPR I have seen it lower for solo motor cycles. Even push bikes going slow have triggered it
[quote][p][bold]purpletimbo[/bold] wrote: Almost all taxis bought them when it was introduced, even though it was not needed for that bollard, as number plate recognition was installed from day one for temporary allowance of one off vehicles, not added later. They were sold on the understanding that they would operate the Designer Outlet, Poppleton Millfield Lane and Victoria Bar bollards, after getting £37 each from 1,000 taxis, they backtracked and said they would only operate Stonebow, which they were never needed for.[/p][/quote]It has never been ANPR I have seen it lower for solo motor cycles. Even push bikes going slow have triggered it sniper 9964
  • Score: 4

1:46pm Tue 4 Mar 14

purpletimbo says...

It has has ANPR since the day it was fitted, but drops on the road sensor for all vehicles, because as stated in the council response, the ANPR when activated for specific only, doesn't recognise all allowed numbers, so to save it coming up under authorised vehicles, which it did 18 months ago, they set it to drop for any vehicle going over the magnetic road sensor, regardless of what the camera reads. All totally useless, while everyone that lives here uses ST Savioursgate to circumvent it all day anyway.
It has has ANPR since the day it was fitted, but drops on the road sensor for all vehicles, because as stated in the council response, the ANPR when activated for specific only, doesn't recognise all allowed numbers, so to save it coming up under authorised vehicles, which it did 18 months ago, they set it to drop for any vehicle going over the magnetic road sensor, regardless of what the camera reads. All totally useless, while everyone that lives here uses ST Savioursgate to circumvent it all day anyway. purpletimbo
  • Score: 6

2:37pm Tue 4 Mar 14

JHardacre says...

'... the system is expensive, slows vehicles down and does not work “consistently well”'

Sounds like a perfect description of the council to me.
'... the system is expensive, slows vehicles down and does not work “consistently well”' Sounds like a perfect description of the council to me. JHardacre
  • Score: 4

3:10pm Tue 4 Mar 14

TheTruthHurts says...

I'm always having trouble with my rising bollard. Its always rising up and down. Up at the times I least want it to and down at the times when I really want it up. I wish I could figure out how to work it properly. Save on a few awkward moments.
I'm always having trouble with my rising bollard. Its always rising up and down. Up at the times I least want it to and down at the times when I really want it up. I wish I could figure out how to work it properly. Save on a few awkward moments. TheTruthHurts
  • Score: 7

10:53pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Oyy you says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
I'm always having trouble with my rising bollard. Its always rising up and down. Up at the times I least want it to and down at the times when I really want it up. I wish I could figure out how to work it properly. Save on a few awkward moments.
You just need the correct sensor .......
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: I'm always having trouble with my rising bollard. Its always rising up and down. Up at the times I least want it to and down at the times when I really want it up. I wish I could figure out how to work it properly. Save on a few awkward moments.[/p][/quote]You just need the correct sensor ....... Oyy you
  • Score: 0

5:48am Wed 5 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

Pete the Brickie wrote:
The council supplied gadgets to make it drop must be readily available second hand, I've seen normal cars drive up to it and watched it operate.
That's because the numberplate-reading camera isn't wired up properly... the bollard is instead just working on the loop sensors buried in the road surface. I tried it on my bicycle once and sat waiting on the loop sensor - and sure enough the bollard lowered!!
[quote][p][bold]Pete the Brickie[/bold] wrote: The council supplied gadgets to make it drop must be readily available second hand, I've seen normal cars drive up to it and watched it operate.[/p][/quote]That's because the numberplate-reading camera isn't wired up properly... the bollard is instead just working on the loop sensors buried in the road surface. I tried it on my bicycle once and sat waiting on the loop sensor - and sure enough the bollard lowered!! Magicman!
  • Score: 0

5:49am Wed 5 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

sniper 9964 wrote:
Its not on ANPR its on a inductive loop. Which was ment to detect a transponder. But as bus companies got them free and taxis had to pay. Majority of taxi drivers refused to buy them. So cyc turned it to a detect any thing mode. Hence the reason any one can drive through. Turn it to transponder and if taxis dont want to buy then thats their choice
Taxis can go along St Saviourgate anyway.
[quote][p][bold]sniper 9964[/bold] wrote: Its not on ANPR its on a inductive loop. Which was ment to detect a transponder. But as bus companies got them free and taxis had to pay. Majority of taxi drivers refused to buy them. So cyc turned it to a detect any thing mode. Hence the reason any one can drive through. Turn it to transponder and if taxis dont want to buy then thats their choice[/p][/quote]Taxis can go along St Saviourgate anyway. Magicman!
  • Score: 0

5:50am Wed 5 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
I'm always having trouble with my rising bollard. Its always rising up and down. Up at the times I least want it to and down at the times when I really want it up. I wish I could figure out how to work it properly. Save on a few awkward moments.
Sounds to me like you need an engineer to visit and inspect your bollard and open up the control point....
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: I'm always having trouble with my rising bollard. Its always rising up and down. Up at the times I least want it to and down at the times when I really want it up. I wish I could figure out how to work it properly. Save on a few awkward moments.[/p][/quote]Sounds to me like you need an engineer to visit and inspect your bollard and open up the control point.... Magicman!
  • Score: 0

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