Lack of suitable parking could deal fatal blow to organic nursery plan

Vanessa Warn

Vanessa Warn

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PLANS for a new organic children’s nursery where the home of Yorkshire tourism was once based have been dealt a blow.

The venture at the Tadcaster Road site, formerly used by road maintenance firm May Gurney, would see a private day nursery with space for 110 children being launched. It would also create 45 jobs.

However, City of York Council planners have said the application should be rejected because of parking and road safety concerns.

The application by Vanessa Warn who runs the Little Green Rascals nursery at York Maze and is looking to expand its operation to a second site, will be debated by the council’s area planning sub-committee on Thursday.

Ms Warn has said 25 full-time staff would be employed there, with 20 part-time roles also being created, and the nursery would have an organic kitchen garden and a training room available for community use.

The building, which housed the Yorkshire Tourism Board (now Welcome to Yorkshire) before it moved to Leeds in 2009, has been empty since last April.

The council’s family information service said the area is a “pressure point” for demand for childcare, both now and in the future, and more facilities would help deal with this as well as allowing families more choice.

However, a report by council planner Heather Fairy said the scheme only included parking spaces for one member of staff, which was a “significant shortfall”, and the parking layout meant cars might have to reverse on to Tadcaster Road, putting pedestrians and cyclists entering the site at risk.

The report said the scheme might lead to illegal parking on the road or grass verge at the front of the site.

It said: “This would result in a safety hazard and would result in the detriment of the free flow of traffic along Tadcaster Road.”

It said this might also affect the “reliability” of Park&Ride services.

In 2012, Ms Warn won The Press’s Local Business Accelerators competition after outlining her plans for expanding her organic nursery business.

Her application said 67 parents had registered an interest in the Tadcaster Road nursery, which would have an online car-share scheme and minibus pick-up points for staff and children.

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9:50am Mon 3 Mar 14

roskoboskovic says...

what the hell is an organic childrens nursery.has the world gone mad.presumably this woman will be looking for grants and outside finance to pay for this nonsense.
what the hell is an organic childrens nursery.has the world gone mad.presumably this woman will be looking for grants and outside finance to pay for this nonsense. roskoboskovic
  • Score: 9

10:04am Mon 3 Mar 14

Eenybob says...

If this area is a pressure point, how come all the other nurseries in the immediate area have vacancies. When Ms Warn set up her other nursery she agreed to set up car sharing schemes and a load of other "green measures" in order to get her planning permission passed, These are yet to be started and as such would appear to be gimmicks in order to gain planning permission. Ms Warn barely scraped planning for that nursery which at the time was registered for 78 children which has now been extended to 100+ children which most likely wouldnt have been passed. So the initial number of children on the application is not the issue because if she wants to extend at a later date she only needs permission from ofsted. Her marketing strategies are so aggressive that when opening up at elvington she published untrue information about her nearest competitors on her website and advertised directly outside other nurseries. All childcare providers close to her new site should be aware of this. The council needs to learn that allowing extra providers to open up where there is not sufficient demand doesnt create a more competetive market is merely serves to dilute other already well established businesses. I noticed in all supporting material which she has provided, she actually states " that it is a sackable offence to use your private car to work"........really, and also I find it strange that with dringhouses being so close that there is no mention of this as an area of which she expects to attract business from, maybe she doesnt expect them to be able to afford her inflated nursery charges........
If this area is a pressure point, how come all the other nurseries in the immediate area have vacancies. When Ms Warn set up her other nursery she agreed to set up car sharing schemes and a load of other "green measures" in order to get her planning permission passed, These are yet to be started and as such would appear to be gimmicks in order to gain planning permission. Ms Warn barely scraped planning for that nursery which at the time was registered for 78 children which has now been extended to 100+ children which most likely wouldnt have been passed. So the initial number of children on the application is not the issue because if she wants to extend at a later date she only needs permission from ofsted. Her marketing strategies are so aggressive that when opening up at elvington she published untrue information about her nearest competitors on her website and advertised directly outside other nurseries. All childcare providers close to her new site should be aware of this. The council needs to learn that allowing extra providers to open up where there is not sufficient demand doesnt create a more competetive market is merely serves to dilute other already well established businesses. I noticed in all supporting material which she has provided, she actually states " that it is a sackable offence to use your private car to work"........really, and also I find it strange that with dringhouses being so close that there is no mention of this as an area of which she expects to attract business from, maybe she doesnt expect them to be able to afford her inflated nursery charges........ Eenybob
  • Score: 14

11:36am Mon 3 Mar 14

piaggio1 says...

Well have it based somewhere else.as in cheaper.
But there again it would not be able to charge as much..!!!!!
Well have it based somewhere else.as in cheaper. But there again it would not be able to charge as much..!!!!! piaggio1
  • Score: 3

11:56am Mon 3 Mar 14

studentteacher says...

There must be a demand for nursery places in the area due to the tragic closure of York College Nursery, however it's unlikely that students at College will be able to afford the Nursery fees from this place. It would suit people in the immediate area, but are they the kind of people who need childcare? I suspect there are a lot of stay-at-home mums and nannies....
There must be a demand for nursery places in the area due to the tragic closure of York College Nursery, however it's unlikely that students at College will be able to afford the Nursery fees from this place. It would suit people in the immediate area, but are they the kind of people who need childcare? I suspect there are a lot of stay-at-home mums and nannies.... studentteacher
  • Score: 7

12:05pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Shouter says...

Illegal parking? Surely not now that the council has its new camera car!!!!!!!!
And what exactly are 'organic children?'
Illegal parking? Surely not now that the council has its new camera car!!!!!!!! And what exactly are 'organic children?' Shouter
  • Score: 6

1:51pm Mon 3 Mar 14

YorkPatrol says...

Shouter wrote:
Illegal parking? Surely not now that the council has its new camera car!!!!!!!! And what exactly are 'organic children?'
They are grown by hippies in plant pots without any added E numbers
[quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: Illegal parking? Surely not now that the council has its new camera car!!!!!!!! And what exactly are 'organic children?'[/p][/quote]They are grown by hippies in plant pots without any added E numbers YorkPatrol
  • Score: 1

6:16pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

Hmm. I considered sending my child to an organic nursery but, as he contains relatively high levels of Calcium, Iron, Phosphorus, Selenium, Potassium, Molybdenum and many other elements too, perhaps I should send him to an inorganic one instead?
Hmm. I considered sending my child to an organic nursery but, as he contains relatively high levels of Calcium, Iron, Phosphorus, Selenium, Potassium, Molybdenum and many other elements too, perhaps I should send him to an inorganic one instead? Ignatius Lumpopo
  • Score: 4

6:36pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Daisy75 says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
Hmm. I considered sending my child to an organic nursery but, as he contains relatively high levels of Calcium, Iron, Phosphorus, Selenium, Potassium, Molybdenum and many other elements too, perhaps I should send him to an inorganic one instead?
Your comment reminded me that the Royal Chemistry Society has had on offer £1 million for anyone who can bring them anything that is not a chemical!
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: Hmm. I considered sending my child to an organic nursery but, as he contains relatively high levels of Calcium, Iron, Phosphorus, Selenium, Potassium, Molybdenum and many other elements too, perhaps I should send him to an inorganic one instead?[/p][/quote]Your comment reminded me that the Royal Chemistry Society has had on offer £1 million for anyone who can bring them anything that is not a chemical! Daisy75
  • Score: -1

1:56am Tue 4 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

YorkPatrol wrote:
Shouter wrote:
Illegal parking? Surely not now that the council has its new camera car!!!!!!!! And what exactly are 'organic children?'
They are grown by hippies in plant pots without any added E numbers
... or any pesticides
[quote][p][bold]YorkPatrol[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shouter[/bold] wrote: Illegal parking? Surely not now that the council has its new camera car!!!!!!!! And what exactly are 'organic children?'[/p][/quote]They are grown by hippies in plant pots without any added E numbers[/p][/quote]... or any pesticides Magicman!
  • Score: -1

10:06am Tue 4 Mar 14

york_chap says...

There's obviously a demand for this kind of thing, or she wouldn't be setting it up, but I'd have thought it better suited to somewhere like Fishergate where there's a disproportionately large 'green' contingent who also have plenty of money to spare.

Anyway, I thought that since the successful Lendal Bridge trial no-one in York used cars anymore; everyone walks, cycles and takes the bus now, don't they? Lack of parking therefore shouldn't be an issue.
There's obviously a demand for this kind of thing, or she wouldn't be setting it up, but I'd have thought it better suited to somewhere like Fishergate where there's a disproportionately large 'green' contingent who also have plenty of money to spare. Anyway, I thought that since the successful Lendal Bridge trial no-one in York used cars anymore; everyone walks, cycles and takes the bus now, don't they? Lack of parking therefore shouldn't be an issue. york_chap
  • Score: 3

9:01pm Tue 4 Mar 14

klnightingale says...

I have read with interest all the comments posted. I can only think that for commercial reasons there are some people who would like to see this application squashed. As a parent I welcome another quality childcare provider in this area. I have also looked at Vanessa Warn's Little green Rascals website which clearly outlines her passion for good old fashioned childcare in terms of the children eat well( not from supermarket's value range) have lots of outdoor activities and are treated as members of the family. Why would anyone object to someone providing childcare of this exceptional standard
I have read with interest all the comments posted. I can only think that for commercial reasons there are some people who would like to see this application squashed. As a parent I welcome another quality childcare provider in this area. I have also looked at Vanessa Warn's Little green Rascals website which clearly outlines her passion for good old fashioned childcare in terms of the children eat well( not from supermarket's value range) have lots of outdoor activities and are treated as members of the family. Why would anyone object to someone providing childcare of this exceptional standard klnightingale
  • Score: 4

2:25pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Amandac says...

We would certainly welcome a new LGR, this area lacks this type of provision. My children have attend this day nursery and it is outstanding care! It may surprise you to know that it's a similar price to other nurseries! Its a great nursery and Tadcaster road would be a great location. I echo that of others re the school spy camera and closure of lendal bridge.
We would certainly welcome a new LGR, this area lacks this type of provision. My children have attend this day nursery and it is outstanding care! It may surprise you to know that it's a similar price to other nurseries! Its a great nursery and Tadcaster road would be a great location. I echo that of others re the school spy camera and closure of lendal bridge. Amandac
  • Score: 2

7:47pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Eenybob says...

It is NOT similar priced to my nursery, in fact it is £10 per day more expensive, and we are rated just as good by ofsted. It's funny as soon as I mentioned York needing more affordable chilcare and not a nursery which forces up the average price of childcare in York someone's complained and it has been taken down......
It is NOT similar priced to my nursery, in fact it is £10 per day more expensive, and we are rated just as good by ofsted. It's funny as soon as I mentioned York needing more affordable chilcare and not a nursery which forces up the average price of childcare in York someone's complained and it has been taken down...... Eenybob
  • Score: -2

9:53pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Amandac says...

What a nursery that provides nappies etc & food for £35 per day?
What a nursery that provides nappies etc & food for £35 per day? Amandac
  • Score: 1

10:19pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Eenybob says...

I think you'll find by the time you add on their 7.30am-8am charge and their 6pm-6.30pm charge they are charging £51. We charge £39.50 for 7.30am-6.30pm inclusive of home prepared and cooked food, we don't provide nappies as we believe it's personnel choice as to the brand and type, we do provide all wipes( which are pampers sensitive and we do provide nappy cream, which is sudocrem. We have no hidden charges and are the most flexible provider you will find, but at the end of the day people see what they want,
I think you'll find by the time you add on their 7.30am-8am charge and their 6pm-6.30pm charge they are charging £51. We charge £39.50 for 7.30am-6.30pm inclusive of home prepared and cooked food, we don't provide nappies as we believe it's personnel choice as to the brand and type, we do provide all wipes( which are pampers sensitive and we do provide nappy cream, which is sudocrem. We have no hidden charges and are the most flexible provider you will find, but at the end of the day people see what they want, Eenybob
  • Score: -2

10:56pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Amandac says...

Like nappies, times are personal preference. I prefer to pay for the time we are using, rather than not. I am not trying to upset you, I am just supporting an nursery that has helped my little ones grow.
Like nappies, times are personal preference. I prefer to pay for the time we are using, rather than not. I am not trying to upset you, I am just supporting an nursery that has helped my little ones grow. Amandac
  • Score: 3

6:49am Fri 7 Mar 14

Eenybob says...

That's great, please don't think you have upset me, I was merely just responding to the points that you made. I am pleased you found a nursery that you were happy with because as a sector that is what we strive to achieve. But to get back to my main point, i think more affordable childcare is required as we are fast gaining an industry reputation for being greatly overpriced,
That's great, please don't think you have upset me, I was merely just responding to the points that you made. I am pleased you found a nursery that you were happy with because as a sector that is what we strive to achieve. But to get back to my main point, i think more affordable childcare is required as we are fast gaining an industry reputation for being greatly overpriced, Eenybob
  • Score: -1

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