Another 20mph speed limit sign vandalised

20mph speed limit sign vandalised in Foxwood

20mph speed limit sign vandalised in Foxwood

First published in News

VANDALS have attacked another sign warning drivers of York’s controversial 20mph speed limits.

The sign at the corner of Beagle Ridge Drive and Huntsman’s Walk, in Foxwood, was pulled from the ground.

A City of York Council spokeswoman said the authority had received reports of several road signs in the city being vandalised, and these were not just 20mph signs.

She said they had now been fixed and anybody spotting the signs being attacked or damaged should phone the council on 01904 551550 or North Yorkshire Police on 101.

Last week, The Press reported how a 20mph sign at the corner of Dijon Avenue and Green Lane in Acomb had also been felled.

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10:18am Tue 25 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

Looks more like the plate advising of the waiting restriction to me.
Looks more like the plate advising of the waiting restriction to me. Mulgrave
  • Score: 7

10:20am Tue 25 Feb 14

Ousetunes says...

This is nothing more than wanton vandalism.

But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible.

I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?
This is nothing more than wanton vandalism. But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible. I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I? Ousetunes
  • Score: 2

10:22am Tue 25 Feb 14

Ousetunes says...

A man was seen running from the site.

At 18 mph.
A man was seen running from the site. At 18 mph. Ousetunes
  • Score: 50

10:44am Tue 25 Feb 14

Ichabod76 says...

Mulgrave wrote:
Looks more like the plate advising of the waiting restriction to me.
They ( the vandals - freedom fighters ? ) did unspeakable things to the 20 sign and it could not be photographed for a family paper :-D
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: Looks more like the plate advising of the waiting restriction to me.[/p][/quote]They ( the vandals - freedom fighters ? ) did unspeakable things to the 20 sign and it could not be photographed for a family paper :-D Ichabod76
  • Score: 18

10:44am Tue 25 Feb 14

Woody G Mellor says...

*snigger*
*snigger* Woody G Mellor
  • Score: -13

10:49am Tue 25 Feb 14

Dr Brian says...

Police have 150,000 suspects
Police have 150,000 suspects Dr Brian
  • Score: 9

10:49am Tue 25 Feb 14

MouseHouse says...

Ousetunes wrote:
This is nothing more than wanton vandalism.

But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible.

I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?
If you think that 20 mph is wrong there are ways and means of demonstrating that. You could:-
1) write to your MP
2) write to your MEP
3) write to your councillor
4) organise a demonstration
5) "work to rule" - in this case drive at 10 mph, encourage others to do the same. This may cause enough embarrassment due to tailbacks for the council to think again.

What you cannot do is knock signs over, we pay for them to be repaired, they cause a danger, especially for wheelchair and pushchair users until the repair is complete.
[quote][p][bold]Ousetunes[/bold] wrote: This is nothing more than wanton vandalism. But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible. I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?[/p][/quote]If you think that 20 mph is wrong there are ways and means of demonstrating that. You could:- 1) write to your MP 2) write to your MEP 3) write to your councillor 4) organise a demonstration 5) "work to rule" - in this case drive at 10 mph, encourage others to do the same. This may cause enough embarrassment due to tailbacks for the council to think again. What you cannot do is knock signs over, we pay for them to be repaired, they cause a danger, especially for wheelchair and pushchair users until the repair is complete. MouseHouse
  • Score: 23

11:01am Tue 25 Feb 14

again says...

Mulgrave wrote:
Looks more like the plate advising of the waiting restriction to me.
Agreed. But that's not going to get much interest to satisfy the YP advertisers, now is it?
[quote][p][bold]Mulgrave[/bold] wrote: Looks more like the plate advising of the waiting restriction to me.[/p][/quote]Agreed. But that's not going to get much interest to satisfy the YP advertisers, now is it? again
  • Score: 0

11:07am Tue 25 Feb 14

Woody G Mellor says...

MouseHouse wrote:
Ousetunes wrote:
This is nothing more than wanton vandalism.

But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible.

I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?
If you think that 20 mph is wrong there are ways and means of demonstrating that. You could:-
1) write to your MP
2) write to your MEP
3) write to your councillor
4) organise a demonstration
5) "work to rule" - in this case drive at 10 mph, encourage others to do the same. This may cause enough embarrassment due to tailbacks for the council to think again.

What you cannot do is knock signs over, we pay for them to be repaired, they cause a danger, especially for wheelchair and pushchair users until the repair is complete.
Points 1-4 are useless, as our councillors totally ignore what the residents actually want, and in this case don't want.
[quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ousetunes[/bold] wrote: This is nothing more than wanton vandalism. But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible. I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?[/p][/quote]If you think that 20 mph is wrong there are ways and means of demonstrating that. You could:- 1) write to your MP 2) write to your MEP 3) write to your councillor 4) organise a demonstration 5) "work to rule" - in this case drive at 10 mph, encourage others to do the same. This may cause enough embarrassment due to tailbacks for the council to think again. What you cannot do is knock signs over, we pay for them to be repaired, they cause a danger, especially for wheelchair and pushchair users until the repair is complete.[/p][/quote]Points 1-4 are useless, as our councillors totally ignore what the residents actually want, and in this case don't want. Woody G Mellor
  • Score: 0

11:12am Tue 25 Feb 14

york_chap says...

It seems there will always be people who vandalise things. Surely it's better that they're pushing over the 20mph signs, rather than damaging something that's actually useful or of historic importance?
It seems there will always be people who vandalise things. Surely it's better that they're pushing over the 20mph signs, rather than damaging something that's actually useful or of historic importance? york_chap
  • Score: 1

12:26pm Tue 25 Feb 14

MouseHouse says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
MouseHouse wrote:
Ousetunes wrote:
This is nothing more than wanton vandalism.

But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible.

I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?
If you think that 20 mph is wrong there are ways and means of demonstrating that. You could:-
1) write to your MP
2) write to your MEP
3) write to your councillor
4) organise a demonstration
5) "work to rule" - in this case drive at 10 mph, encourage others to do the same. This may cause enough embarrassment due to tailbacks for the council to think again.

What you cannot do is knock signs over, we pay for them to be repaired, they cause a danger, especially for wheelchair and pushchair users until the repair is complete.
Points 1-4 are useless, as our councillors totally ignore what the residents actually want, and in this case don't want.
So I assume you've tried writing on this issue? Keep the pressure up, but most importantly get active. At the elections campaign actively against these limits. How about writing to the police, tell them you'll be driving at 10mph on a specific day and route, tell the press - not just this journal, but the BBC. Get in touch with other groups across the UK with the same concerns - get organised.

I disagreed with the road hauliers rolling roadblocks all those years ago but was delighted to see them doing something they cared about. Far too many people whinge on but expect somebody else to sort the issues out.

Good luck.
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ousetunes[/bold] wrote: This is nothing more than wanton vandalism. But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible. I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?[/p][/quote]If you think that 20 mph is wrong there are ways and means of demonstrating that. You could:- 1) write to your MP 2) write to your MEP 3) write to your councillor 4) organise a demonstration 5) "work to rule" - in this case drive at 10 mph, encourage others to do the same. This may cause enough embarrassment due to tailbacks for the council to think again. What you cannot do is knock signs over, we pay for them to be repaired, they cause a danger, especially for wheelchair and pushchair users until the repair is complete.[/p][/quote]Points 1-4 are useless, as our councillors totally ignore what the residents actually want, and in this case don't want.[/p][/quote]So I assume you've tried writing on this issue? Keep the pressure up, but most importantly get active. At the elections campaign actively against these limits. How about writing to the police, tell them you'll be driving at 10mph on a specific day and route, tell the press - not just this journal, but the BBC. Get in touch with other groups across the UK with the same concerns - get organised. I disagreed with the road hauliers rolling roadblocks all those years ago but was delighted to see them doing something they cared about. Far too many people whinge on but expect somebody else to sort the issues out. Good luck. MouseHouse
  • Score: 1

12:49pm Tue 25 Feb 14

piaggio1 says...

Erm.. mousehouse?
If you read the papers..the commisar ie semleyn (or that well k own socialist with 5+buy to lets dos.nt want too hear the oppinions of the voters.
She.s told us.
We dont count
Cant be trusted
A waste of her/council time.
Erm.. mousehouse? If you read the papers..the commisar ie semleyn (or that well k own socialist with 5+buy to lets dos.nt want too hear the oppinions of the voters. She.s told us. We dont count Cant be trusted A waste of her/council time. piaggio1
  • Score: 22

1:02pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Teabag1 says...

Its 20 for a reason you berks!
Its 20 for a reason you berks! Teabag1
  • Score: -32

1:07pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Alf Garnett says...

Surely the answer is to remove all speed restrictions and allow people to drive at whatever they think is a safe speed and on whichever side of the road the mood takes them. As motorsists we're all qualified to know our abilities.
Surely the answer is to remove all speed restrictions and allow people to drive at whatever they think is a safe speed and on whichever side of the road the mood takes them. As motorsists we're all qualified to know our abilities. Alf Garnett
  • Score: 1

1:09pm Tue 25 Feb 14

mmarshal says...

As I walked around York on Saturday almost every newsagent had an A-frame displaying words to the effect that 'vandal attacks 20mph sign' (an incident which had occurred on Thursday night). Clearly, Saturday must have been a no news day for the Press.
I wonder what will happen now that 2 signs have been vandalised.
As I walked around York on Saturday almost every newsagent had an A-frame displaying words to the effect that 'vandal attacks 20mph sign' (an incident which had occurred on Thursday night). Clearly, Saturday must have been a no news day for the Press. I wonder what will happen now that 2 signs have been vandalised. mmarshal
  • Score: 6

1:45pm Tue 25 Feb 14

bloodaxe says...

York, apparently, is adjudged to have one of the lowest IQs in the UK.
York, apparently, is adjudged to have one of the lowest IQs in the UK. bloodaxe
  • Score: 25

1:53pm Tue 25 Feb 14

bloodaxe says...

Ousetunes wrote:
This is nothing more than wanton vandalism.

But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible.

I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?
Anyone who torches a camera must be in need of care. Why not just slow down ? It isn't obligatory to break the speed limit. You're correct though, it is wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Ousetunes[/bold] wrote: This is nothing more than wanton vandalism. But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible. I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?[/p][/quote]Anyone who torches a camera must be in need of care. Why not just slow down ? It isn't obligatory to break the speed limit. You're correct though, it is wrong. bloodaxe
  • Score: 27

2:17pm Tue 25 Feb 14

AnotherPointofView says...

bloodaxe wrote:
Ousetunes wrote:
This is nothing more than wanton vandalism.

But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible.

I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?
Anyone who torches a camera must be in need of care. Why not just slow down ? It isn't obligatory to break the speed limit. You're correct though, it is wrong.
I'm with Ousetunes on this one. Yes it's wrong but like Dr Brian says above there must be at least 150,000 suspects.

The whole 20mph thing is a waste of time and money. I drive around York's roads every day. I've yet to come up behind ANYONE (police, council vehicles alike) who sticks to the 20 limit unless there is a queue and you can't go any faster anyway regardless of speed limit.
[quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ousetunes[/bold] wrote: This is nothing more than wanton vandalism. But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible. I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?[/p][/quote]Anyone who torches a camera must be in need of care. Why not just slow down ? It isn't obligatory to break the speed limit. You're correct though, it is wrong.[/p][/quote]I'm with Ousetunes on this one. Yes it's wrong but like Dr Brian says above there must be at least 150,000 suspects. The whole 20mph thing is a waste of time and money. I drive around York's roads every day. I've yet to come up behind ANYONE (police, council vehicles alike) who sticks to the 20 limit unless there is a queue and you can't go any faster anyway regardless of speed limit. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -12

2:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Mork says...

There are 3 signs that have been uprooted on Carr Lane for the last 10 days not 20mph ones no waiting/parking.
There are 3 signs that have been uprooted on Carr Lane for the last 10 days not 20mph ones no waiting/parking. Mork
  • Score: 7

2:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
Ousetunes wrote:
This is nothing more than wanton vandalism.

But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible.

I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?
Anyone who torches a camera must be in need of care. Why not just slow down ? It isn't obligatory to break the speed limit. You're correct though, it is wrong.
I'm with Ousetunes on this one. Yes it's wrong but like Dr Brian says above there must be at least 150,000 suspects.

The whole 20mph thing is a waste of time and money. I drive around York's roads every day. I've yet to come up behind ANYONE (police, council vehicles alike) who sticks to the 20 limit unless there is a queue and you can't go any faster anyway regardless of speed limit.
I saw a Fiesta approaching in my rear view mirror whilst waiting at Scarcroft Road lights to turn into The Mount. It was obviously strictly observing the 20mph limit and had a bunch of cars hanging off the rear bumper to prove it. When I halted at the red light to turn right from The Mount into Dalton Terrace, this clown floored the gas and ran the red light into Tadcaster Road. Sums it up really. Note to Coun Merrett:- South Bank scheme coming up to 18 months now, how about sharing some results?
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ousetunes[/bold] wrote: This is nothing more than wanton vandalism. But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible. I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?[/p][/quote]Anyone who torches a camera must be in need of care. Why not just slow down ? It isn't obligatory to break the speed limit. You're correct though, it is wrong.[/p][/quote]I'm with Ousetunes on this one. Yes it's wrong but like Dr Brian says above there must be at least 150,000 suspects. The whole 20mph thing is a waste of time and money. I drive around York's roads every day. I've yet to come up behind ANYONE (police, council vehicles alike) who sticks to the 20 limit unless there is a queue and you can't go any faster anyway regardless of speed limit.[/p][/quote]I saw a Fiesta approaching in my rear view mirror whilst waiting at Scarcroft Road lights to turn into The Mount. It was obviously strictly observing the 20mph limit and had a bunch of cars hanging off the rear bumper to prove it. When I halted at the red light to turn right from The Mount into Dalton Terrace, this clown floored the gas and ran the red light into Tadcaster Road. Sums it up really. Note to Coun Merrett:- South Bank scheme coming up to 18 months now, how about sharing some results? Mulgrave
  • Score: 5

2:32pm Tue 25 Feb 14

YorkPatrol says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
Surely the answer is to remove all speed restrictions and allow people to drive at whatever they think is a safe speed and on whichever side of the road the mood takes them. As motorsists we're all qualified to know our abilities.
No, just keep the current sensible 30mph restrictions
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Surely the answer is to remove all speed restrictions and allow people to drive at whatever they think is a safe speed and on whichever side of the road the mood takes them. As motorsists we're all qualified to know our abilities.[/p][/quote]No, just keep the current sensible 30mph restrictions YorkPatrol
  • Score: -14

2:39pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

Mork wrote:
There are 3 signs that have been uprooted on Carr Lane for the last 10 days not 20mph ones no waiting/parking.
.......exactly like the one in the photo here then.
[quote][p][bold]Mork[/bold] wrote: There are 3 signs that have been uprooted on Carr Lane for the last 10 days not 20mph ones no waiting/parking.[/p][/quote].......exactly like the one in the photo here then. Mulgrave
  • Score: 8

4:54pm Tue 25 Feb 14

MouseHouse says...

piaggio1 wrote:
Erm.. mousehouse?
If you read the papers..the commisar ie semleyn (or that well k own socialist with 5+buy to lets dos.nt want too hear the oppinions of the voters.
She.s told us.
We dont count
Cant be trusted
A waste of her/council time.
So you give in.

Where's your fighting spirit?

Apathy rules, and they get away with it.
[quote][p][bold]piaggio1[/bold] wrote: Erm.. mousehouse? If you read the papers..the commisar ie semleyn (or that well k own socialist with 5+buy to lets dos.nt want too hear the oppinions of the voters. She.s told us. We dont count Cant be trusted A waste of her/council time.[/p][/quote]So you give in. Where's your fighting spirit? Apathy rules, and they get away with it. MouseHouse
  • Score: -32

5:03pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Caecilius says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
Surely the answer is to remove all speed restrictions and allow people to drive at whatever they think is a safe speed and on whichever side of the road the mood takes them. As motorsists we're all qualified to know our abilities.
But a lot of you don't. Try keeping count of the constant litany of RTAs reported in the Press, just for starters, and ask yourself how many were caused by someone who overestimated his/her abilities. There are far too many people on York's roads demonstrating their idiocy and/or contempt for others as it is, without giving free licence to every self-centred dimwit who imagines he's behind the wheel of the Batmobile.
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Surely the answer is to remove all speed restrictions and allow people to drive at whatever they think is a safe speed and on whichever side of the road the mood takes them. As motorsists we're all qualified to know our abilities.[/p][/quote]But a lot of you don't. Try keeping count of the constant litany of RTAs reported in the Press, just for starters, and ask yourself how many were caused by someone who overestimated his/her abilities. There are far too many people on York's roads demonstrating their idiocy and/or contempt for others as it is, without giving free licence to every self-centred dimwit who imagines he's behind the wheel of the Batmobile. Caecilius
  • Score: 20

6:41pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Digeorge says...

OK the sign at our mini-roundabout that you can't possibly go any more than 5 mph is still there both ways towards the roundabout. If you don't stop at the roundabout you will be catapulted onto the railway line! There is no sense in that sign being there at all (both ways). What a frigging waste of money the council has spent on our Estate!

The only accident that will happen on that bit is someone going into the back of cars or running over children even at 10 mph!
OK the sign at our mini-roundabout that you can't possibly go any more than 5 mph is still there both ways towards the roundabout. If you don't stop at the roundabout you will be catapulted onto the railway line! There is no sense in that sign being there at all (both ways). What a frigging waste of money the council has spent on our Estate! The only accident that will happen on that bit is someone going into the back of cars or running over children even at 10 mph! Digeorge
  • Score: 1

6:45pm Tue 25 Feb 14

yawn.. says...

Careful now, if we're seen having too much fun poking fun at the hare brained schemes adopted by our wonderful leaders we'll all end up with a score of -300 or more.
Careful now, if we're seen having too much fun poking fun at the hare brained schemes adopted by our wonderful leaders we'll all end up with a score of -300 or more. yawn..
  • Score: 2

8:03pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Lunatic says...

It's nice to see somebody being proactive.
It's nice to see somebody being proactive. Lunatic
  • Score: -3

8:06am Wed 26 Feb 14

oldgoat says...

Teabag1 wrote:
Its 20 for a reason you berks!
Actually, that's -22 right now.....
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Its 20 for a reason you berks![/p][/quote]Actually, that's -22 right now..... oldgoat
  • Score: 3

8:27am Wed 26 Feb 14

mortandindi says...

Good news in the press at last!!
Good news in the press at last!! mortandindi
  • Score: 5

10:33am Wed 26 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

This is excellent news... Finally they might get the picture that not everywhere needs to be 20mph and we certainly do not need a sign every 10 meters telling us to go slower... They are ruining the paths and roads of our city.. knock them all down! doesn’t take much due to the councils cheap foundation and installation techniques!

20 is plenty go get a life!

You dont see me putting signs up everywhere saying beware car on road try not to run in front of it. As you say its 20 for a reason… its call a road for a f’in reason too. 40 is naughty is the new campagine... you lot look like you could do with some fun.
This is excellent news... Finally they might get the picture that not everywhere needs to be 20mph and we certainly do not need a sign every 10 meters telling us to go slower... They are ruining the paths and roads of our city.. knock them all down! doesn’t take much due to the councils cheap foundation and installation techniques! 20 is plenty go get a life! You dont see me putting signs up everywhere saying beware car on road try not to run in front of it. As you say its 20 for a reason… its call a road for a f’in reason too. 40 is naughty is the new campagine... you lot look like you could do with some fun. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 5

10:56am Wed 26 Feb 14

Archiebold the 1st says...

Teabag1 wrote:
Its 20 for a reason you berks!
People obviously don't see or agree with your reason as they are ignored all over. Face it your campaign started by few is making the many angry. Do you think it will be allowed to carry on? Sign post central? No. Budget will run out and everyone will realise what a massive waste of time and money it was and it looks ugly. Milton Keynes might be known as the round about city. We will be known as the sign post city soon. Lendal, coppergate, 20mph signs everywhere. Next there will be sings saying 20mph sign 200 yards ahead. Get a grip.
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Its 20 for a reason you berks![/p][/quote]People obviously don't see or agree with your reason as they are ignored all over. Face it your campaign started by few is making the many angry. Do you think it will be allowed to carry on? Sign post central? No. Budget will run out and everyone will realise what a massive waste of time and money it was and it looks ugly. Milton Keynes might be known as the round about city. We will be known as the sign post city soon. Lendal, coppergate, 20mph signs everywhere. Next there will be sings saying 20mph sign 200 yards ahead. Get a grip. Archiebold the 1st
  • Score: 7

5:14pm Wed 26 Feb 14

bloodaxe says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
bloodaxe wrote:
Ousetunes wrote:
This is nothing more than wanton vandalism.

But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible.

I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?
Anyone who torches a camera must be in need of care. Why not just slow down ? It isn't obligatory to break the speed limit. You're correct though, it is wrong.
I'm with Ousetunes on this one. Yes it's wrong but like Dr Brian says above there must be at least 150,000 suspects.

The whole 20mph thing is a waste of time and money. I drive around York's roads every day. I've yet to come up behind ANYONE (police, council vehicles alike) who sticks to the 20 limit unless there is a queue and you can't go any faster anyway regardless of speed limit.
Just let us know when you're about so that we can take precautionary measures.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bloodaxe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ousetunes[/bold] wrote: This is nothing more than wanton vandalism. But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible. I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?[/p][/quote]Anyone who torches a camera must be in need of care. Why not just slow down ? It isn't obligatory to break the speed limit. You're correct though, it is wrong.[/p][/quote]I'm with Ousetunes on this one. Yes it's wrong but like Dr Brian says above there must be at least 150,000 suspects. The whole 20mph thing is a waste of time and money. I drive around York's roads every day. I've yet to come up behind ANYONE (police, council vehicles alike) who sticks to the 20 limit unless there is a queue and you can't go any faster anyway regardless of speed limit.[/p][/quote]Just let us know when you're about so that we can take precautionary measures. bloodaxe
  • Score: -3

5:23pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Alf Garnett says...

Caecilius wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Surely the answer is to remove all speed restrictions and allow people to drive at whatever they think is a safe speed and on whichever side of the road the mood takes them. As motorsists we're all qualified to know our abilities.
But a lot of you don't. Try keeping count of the constant litany of RTAs reported in the Press, just for starters, and ask yourself how many were caused by someone who overestimated his/her abilities. There are far too many people on York's roads demonstrating their idiocy and/or contempt for others as it is, without giving free licence to every self-centred dimwit who imagines he's behind the wheel of the Batmobile.
I rather think that you missed the irony. Of course you're right. Far too many drivers exceeding the speed limit. As for the excessive overreaction to this measure, York is behind many other cities in introducing this sort of idea; it's just that not enough people from here go anywhere else so wouldn't know what goes on. The same with the hyperbolic reaction to efforts to control inner-city private vehicle use. We're in the palaeolithic.
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Surely the answer is to remove all speed restrictions and allow people to drive at whatever they think is a safe speed and on whichever side of the road the mood takes them. As motorsists we're all qualified to know our abilities.[/p][/quote]But a lot of you don't. Try keeping count of the constant litany of RTAs reported in the Press, just for starters, and ask yourself how many were caused by someone who overestimated his/her abilities. There are far too many people on York's roads demonstrating their idiocy and/or contempt for others as it is, without giving free licence to every self-centred dimwit who imagines he's behind the wheel of the Batmobile.[/p][/quote]I rather think that you missed the irony. Of course you're right. Far too many drivers exceeding the speed limit. As for the excessive overreaction to this measure, York is behind many other cities in introducing this sort of idea; it's just that not enough people from here go anywhere else so wouldn't know what goes on. The same with the hyperbolic reaction to efforts to control inner-city private vehicle use. We're in the palaeolithic. Alf Garnett
  • Score: -4

5:40pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

Alf Garnett wrote:
Caecilius wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Surely the answer is to remove all speed restrictions and allow people to drive at whatever they think is a safe speed and on whichever side of the road the mood takes them. As motorsists we're all qualified to know our abilities.
But a lot of you don't. Try keeping count of the constant litany of RTAs reported in the Press, just for starters, and ask yourself how many were caused by someone who overestimated his/her abilities. There are far too many people on York's roads demonstrating their idiocy and/or contempt for others as it is, without giving free licence to every self-centred dimwit who imagines he's behind the wheel of the Batmobile.
I rather think that you missed the irony. Of course you're right. Far too many drivers exceeding the speed limit. As for the excessive overreaction to this measure, York is behind many other cities in introducing this sort of idea; it's just that not enough people from here go anywhere else so wouldn't know what goes on. The same with the hyperbolic reaction to efforts to control inner-city private vehicle use. We're in the palaeolithic.
Indeed many other places have lower limits - in a variety of formats. In the North East and Scotland the 20mph zones near schools are only operational when associated amber lights are flashing, and some 20mph limits, again in Scotland and also in Lincolnshire, are posted with signs with green rather than red circle borders, meaning they are advisory but the actual limit is 30mph. Much more sensible approach, and clearly some input from people who actually drive.
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Surely the answer is to remove all speed restrictions and allow people to drive at whatever they think is a safe speed and on whichever side of the road the mood takes them. As motorsists we're all qualified to know our abilities.[/p][/quote]But a lot of you don't. Try keeping count of the constant litany of RTAs reported in the Press, just for starters, and ask yourself how many were caused by someone who overestimated his/her abilities. There are far too many people on York's roads demonstrating their idiocy and/or contempt for others as it is, without giving free licence to every self-centred dimwit who imagines he's behind the wheel of the Batmobile.[/p][/quote]I rather think that you missed the irony. Of course you're right. Far too many drivers exceeding the speed limit. As for the excessive overreaction to this measure, York is behind many other cities in introducing this sort of idea; it's just that not enough people from here go anywhere else so wouldn't know what goes on. The same with the hyperbolic reaction to efforts to control inner-city private vehicle use. We're in the palaeolithic.[/p][/quote]Indeed many other places have lower limits - in a variety of formats. In the North East and Scotland the 20mph zones near schools are only operational when associated amber lights are flashing, and some 20mph limits, again in Scotland and also in Lincolnshire, are posted with signs with green rather than red circle borders, meaning they are advisory but the actual limit is 30mph. Much more sensible approach, and clearly some input from people who actually drive. Mulgrave
  • Score: 3

6:22pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Bo Jolly says...

Teabag1 wrote:
Its 20 for a reason you berks!
But not for a very good reason, is it? Blanket 20mph limits are no safer and the evidence from Oxford and Portsmouth show that there are in fact *more* accidents.

And if it's not for safety... what reason are we left with exactly? To make anti-car campaigners feel a little glow inside perhaps.
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Its 20 for a reason you berks![/p][/quote]But not for a very good reason, is it? Blanket 20mph limits are no safer and the evidence from Oxford and Portsmouth show that there are in fact *more* accidents. And if it's not for safety... what reason are we left with exactly? To make anti-car campaigners feel a little glow inside perhaps. Bo Jolly
  • Score: 5

1:32am Thu 27 Feb 14

Magicman! says...

I wonder if the council's £600,000 budget for these signs included a contingency for the acomb marauders going round and taking them all down one by one...? At such a high cost, you'd like to think so. But if they didn't, does that means the signs the stay down... pwretty pwease?!
I wonder if the council's £600,000 budget for these signs included a contingency for the acomb marauders going round and taking them all down one by one...? At such a high cost, you'd like to think so. But if they didn't, does that means the signs the stay down... pwretty pwease?! Magicman!
  • Score: 0

2:44pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Batman Begins says...

Caecilius wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Surely the answer is to remove all speed restrictions and allow people to drive at whatever they think is a safe speed and on whichever side of the road the mood takes them. As motorsists we're all qualified to know our abilities.
But a lot of you don't. Try keeping count of the constant litany of RTAs reported in the Press, just for starters, and ask yourself how many were caused by someone who overestimated his/her abilities. There are far too many people on York's roads demonstrating their idiocy and/or contempt for others as it is, without giving free licence to every self-centred dimwit who imagines he's behind the wheel of the Batmobile.
I'm always very careful when driving my Batmobile!
But you are quite correct, York's roads are dangerous, all roads are potentially dangerous!
One of the things that make roads dangerous, is restricting the pedestrian's view of traffic and the driver’s view of pedestrians, by allowing cars to park against the kerb, I notice that many of the 20 MPH limited streets have not limited residents parking.
I worry with the 20 MPH limit will become a target for the less caring motorist, breeding a false sense of security amongst pedestrians and children, when what is really needed are, no access to any vehicle, (including cyclists!), play roads, with proper play areas where kids can play.
It’ll never happen and we’ll continue to fiddle in the margins!
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Surely the answer is to remove all speed restrictions and allow people to drive at whatever they think is a safe speed and on whichever side of the road the mood takes them. As motorsists we're all qualified to know our abilities.[/p][/quote]But a lot of you don't. Try keeping count of the constant litany of RTAs reported in the Press, just for starters, and ask yourself how many were caused by someone who overestimated his/her abilities. There are far too many people on York's roads demonstrating their idiocy and/or contempt for others as it is, without giving free licence to every self-centred dimwit who imagines he's behind the wheel of the Batmobile.[/p][/quote]I'm always very careful when driving my Batmobile! But you are quite correct, York's roads are dangerous, all roads are potentially dangerous! One of the things that make roads dangerous, is restricting the pedestrian's view of traffic and the driver’s view of pedestrians, by allowing cars to park against the kerb, I notice that many of the 20 MPH limited streets have not limited residents parking. I worry with the 20 MPH limit will become a target for the less caring motorist, breeding a false sense of security amongst pedestrians and children, when what is really needed are, no access to any vehicle, (including cyclists!), play roads, with proper play areas where kids can play. It’ll never happen and we’ll continue to fiddle in the margins! Batman Begins
  • Score: 2

2:50pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Batman Begins says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
MouseHouse wrote:
Ousetunes wrote:
This is nothing more than wanton vandalism.

But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible.

I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?
If you think that 20 mph is wrong there are ways and means of demonstrating that. You could:-
1) write to your MP
2) write to your MEP
3) write to your councillor
4) organise a demonstration
5) "work to rule" - in this case drive at 10 mph, encourage others to do the same. This may cause enough embarrassment due to tailbacks for the council to think again.

What you cannot do is knock signs over, we pay for them to be repaired, they cause a danger, especially for wheelchair and pushchair users until the repair is complete.
Points 1-4 are useless, as our councillors totally ignore what the residents actually want, and in this case don't want.
When a Government of any sort ignores the wishes of its people, even refuses to discuss its decisions, smirking in their faces as they do so, extreme action is likely to occur! I’m not saying it’s right, I'm not saying I condone it, but we shouldn’t be surprised!
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MouseHouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ousetunes[/bold] wrote: This is nothing more than wanton vandalism. But, a bit like driving past a speed camera that's been torched, I can't help thinking "well done you" to whoever is responsible. I know it's wrong but hey, I'm being honest aren't I?[/p][/quote]If you think that 20 mph is wrong there are ways and means of demonstrating that. You could:- 1) write to your MP 2) write to your MEP 3) write to your councillor 4) organise a demonstration 5) "work to rule" - in this case drive at 10 mph, encourage others to do the same. This may cause enough embarrassment due to tailbacks for the council to think again. What you cannot do is knock signs over, we pay for them to be repaired, they cause a danger, especially for wheelchair and pushchair users until the repair is complete.[/p][/quote]Points 1-4 are useless, as our councillors totally ignore what the residents actually want, and in this case don't want.[/p][/quote]When a Government of any sort ignores the wishes of its people, even refuses to discuss its decisions, smirking in their faces as they do so, extreme action is likely to occur! I’m not saying it’s right, I'm not saying I condone it, but we shouldn’t be surprised! Batman Begins
  • Score: 2

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