Row over wording on City of York Council bin calendars

Row over wording on council bin calendars

Row over wording on council bin calendars

First published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , mark.stead@thepress.co.uk

A SENIOR council official challenged city leaders over “political statements” in leaflets telling York residents when their rubbish would be collected, it has emerged.

Documents released under the Freedom of Information Act show Roger Ranson, City of York Council’s then assistant director of city and environmental services, did not believe a reference to Government funding cuts should be included in calendars listing details of waste and recycling rounds, issued across the city last year.

This reference was removed from the original design after waste management officer Shaun Donnelly raised concerns about its political nature, but re-inserted with different wording at the request of the council’s Labour cabinet.

The final version of the calendar, explaining cuts to green bin collections and charges for some household waste, included the line: “During 2013/14, the Government has reduced its funding to City of York Council by £3.9 million”, before explaining the reasons for the service changes.

Emails from last August show Mr Ranson told the council’s communications team and senior officials: “It is not for an officer such as Shaun [Donnelly], or even myself, to sanction what is such an overt political statement”.

Having been told council leader James Alexander and Coun David Levene, cabinet member for environmental services, were “fine” with the wording and officials had ensured it would not be “open to challenge”, Mr Ranson replied: “Personally, I still think the message included in this resident notification is still overtly political, but if officers more senior to me are content with it, then so be it!”

Mr Ranson has since left the council, although there is no suggestion his departure was connected to his views on the waste calendars.

Osbaldwick councillor Mark Warters, who made the FOI request, said: “The documents which have been released show direct political pressure on officials by senior Labour councillors.

“It does make one wonder whether this is par for the course on other aspects of council business.”

Coun Levene said the effect of Government funding cuts on council services was “fact”. He said: “Our communications should explain and inform residents, as we did through this particular leaflet.

“A compromise wording was found which senior officers and councillors were happy with and which conveyed this information, while striking the right tone.

“Local councils, like central Government, are politically led organisations so it should not surprise Coun Warters to know that politicians are involved in making decisions.”

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9:43am Mon 13 Jan 14

chelk says...

Typical of this lot blame everyone else for problems but seek praise for everything that is good even when it is nothing to do with them. So it was the government that was to blame for no recycle collection on the 27th December 2013. The Muppet Show rolls on
Typical of this lot blame everyone else for problems but seek praise for everything that is good even when it is nothing to do with them. So it was the government that was to blame for no recycle collection on the 27th December 2013. The Muppet Show rolls on chelk
  • Score: -127

10:02am Mon 13 Jan 14

pedalling paul says...

Always a fine line, but please to learn that a compromise was reached, which allowed the "raison d'etre" for the increase to be explained.
Always a fine line, but please to learn that a compromise was reached, which allowed the "raison d'etre" for the increase to be explained. pedalling paul
  • Score: 109

11:08am Mon 13 Jan 14

sparkseffect says...

chelk wrote:
Typical of this lot blame everyone else for problems but seek praise for everything that is good even when it is nothing to do with them. So it was the government that was to blame for no recycle collection on the 27th December 2013. The Muppet Show rolls on
I don't disagree with giving the dustmen a week off at Christmas, but did anybody notice that the lunatics in charge of the asylum gave half of the City both recycling and refuse collections in the weeks before and after Christmas, while the rest of us just had our grey bins emptied? Still, at least those actually doing the work collected four weeks' worth of recycling last week with no problems - well done to them.
[quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: Typical of this lot blame everyone else for problems but seek praise for everything that is good even when it is nothing to do with them. So it was the government that was to blame for no recycle collection on the 27th December 2013. The Muppet Show rolls on[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with giving the dustmen a week off at Christmas, but did anybody notice that the lunatics in charge of the asylum gave half of the City both recycling and refuse collections in the weeks before and after Christmas, while the rest of us just had our grey bins emptied? Still, at least those actually doing the work collected four weeks' worth of recycling last week with no problems - well done to them. sparkseffect
  • Score: -127

12:07pm Mon 13 Jan 14

roskoboskovic says...

the fact that we get fortnightly collections and green bin are unemptied even during leaf fall is in my eyes a political statement.a statement that liebour ycc don t give a toss about the residents
the fact that we get fortnightly collections and green bin are unemptied even during leaf fall is in my eyes a political statement.a statement that liebour ycc don t give a toss about the residents roskoboskovic
  • Score: -118

1:30pm Mon 13 Jan 14

meme says...

If anyone believes that councillors don't put pressure on officers just look at the Monks Cross south planning fiasco
If anyone believes that councillors don't put pressure on officers just look at the Monks Cross south planning fiasco meme
  • Score: -18

1:41pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Meldrew2 says...

Maybe they should have used the money they have wasted on the 20mph signs.

It seems we are getting them soon and living in a cul-de-sac we would be lucky to get to 20mph to be honest.
Maybe they should have used the money they have wasted on the 20mph signs. It seems we are getting them soon and living in a cul-de-sac we would be lucky to get to 20mph to be honest. Meldrew2
  • Score: -132

3:09pm Mon 13 Jan 14

asd says...

Yes bins reduced etc is down to council but, your still ignoring the FACT central Goverment HAS and IS reducing funding. If you refuse to acknoledge that then you are as bad as Alexander I wont listen.
Yes bins reduced etc is down to council but, your still ignoring the FACT central Goverment HAS and IS reducing funding. If you refuse to acknoledge that then you are as bad as Alexander I wont listen. asd
  • Score: 122

4:23pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Dave Ruddock says...

here we go again, so called political parties, thowing stones at each other, instead or "Discussing and comming to an agreement" not slagging each other. If Anything a Government notfication whould be ok. Its a grown up world in Real Life. NOT A PLAYGOUND
here we go again, so called political parties, thowing stones at each other, instead or "Discussing and comming to an agreement" not slagging each other. If Anything a Government notfication whould be ok. Its a grown up world in Real Life. NOT A PLAYGOUND Dave Ruddock
  • Score: 5

5:04pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Madasanibbotson says...

Lets face it anything Jimmy Alexander and Merrett say is only fit for the pantomime. The only place they could succeed is working for Billy Smarts and wearing massive shoes and a shiny nose.
Not doubt The Press (aka The CYC protection squad) will remove this post quickly as freedom of speech doesn't seem to exist.
Lets face it anything Jimmy Alexander and Merrett say is only fit for the pantomime. The only place they could succeed is working for Billy Smarts and wearing massive shoes and a shiny nose. Not doubt The Press (aka The CYC protection squad) will remove this post quickly as freedom of speech doesn't seem to exist. Madasanibbotson
  • Score: -134

5:15pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Acomblady says...

I wrote to Hugh Bayley to complain about the lack of recycling collections over Christmas in my area. I received a reply from Andy Kelly, Operations Manager, Waste. He claimed regarding the revised schedule (a week off) 'these changes only affect a small part of the city each time as Christmas bank holidays change days'. My collection day is Tuesday and yet this is the second year in a row we have been left a month with no collections. Last year it was landfill waste, this year it was recycling.

As for my complaint about garden waste 'Regarding garden waste collections, we have been looking at how to make savings in this area because the council receives roughly 40% of its funding from the Government, which has been cut by a third. This is a huge proportion of the council'sbudget.....
............Collecti
ng garden waste seperately is one of those discretionary services.........'

After a 2 page reply of politicians excuses I can only say I hope they will not be adding the additional landfill tax to our council tax bills because by reducing doorstep collections of recyclable waste they must be increasing landfill waste
I wrote to Hugh Bayley to complain about the lack of recycling collections over Christmas in my area. I received a reply from Andy Kelly, Operations Manager, Waste. He claimed regarding the revised schedule (a week off) 'these changes only affect a small part of the city each time as Christmas bank holidays change days'. My collection day is Tuesday and yet this is the second year in a row we have been left a month with no collections. Last year it was landfill waste, this year it was recycling. As for my complaint about garden waste 'Regarding garden waste collections, we have been looking at how to make savings in this area because the council receives roughly 40% of its funding from the Government, which has been cut by a third. This is a huge proportion of the council'sbudget..... ............Collecti ng garden waste seperately is one of those discretionary services.........' After a 2 page reply of politicians excuses I can only say I hope they will not be adding the additional landfill tax to our council tax bills because by reducing doorstep collections of recyclable waste they must be increasing landfill waste Acomblady
  • Score: -29

5:22pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Rocking Horse says...

Coun Levene said the effect of Government funding cuts on council services was “fact”. He said: “Our communications should explain and inform residents, as we did through this particular leaflet.


They only tell us what they want us to know, and not what WE WANT to know.

Listening to the council's propaganda is a combination of political indoctrination using neuro linguistic programming, which the senior officers are taught during their common purpose training. They are trying to braionwash us all.

We need to get rid of this marxist regime in 2015, including all the common purpose nutters who spend their time following DEMOS, FutureGov and NESTA on twitter ! They know who they are ;o(
[quote] Coun Levene said the effect of Government funding cuts on council services was “fact”. He said: “Our communications should explain and inform residents, as we did through this particular leaflet. [/quote] They only tell us what they want us to know, and not what WE WANT to know. Listening to the council's propaganda is a combination of political indoctrination using neuro linguistic programming, which the senior officers are taught during their common purpose training. They are trying to braionwash us all. We need to get rid of this marxist regime in 2015, including all the common purpose nutters who spend their time following DEMOS, FutureGov and NESTA on twitter ! They know who they are ;o( Rocking Horse
  • Score: -149

6:30pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Hyperbole-tastic!
Hyperbole-tastic! Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 151

6:45pm Mon 13 Jan 14

oi oi savaloy says...

“During 2013/14, the Government has reduced its funding to City of York Council by £3.9 million”, before explaining the reasons for the service changes.

Coun Levene said the effect of Government funding cuts on council services was “fact”. He said: “Our communications should explain and inform residents, as we did through this particular leaflet."

yet the labour council still manage to give some executive on over 100K p.a. a 12K pay rise??

another fact levene missed out was that over the 13 year labour government years my council tax went up over 100% and is now my biggest bill in my house just pipping my energy bill which i have the choice of reducing by not turning it on and stuff!!

maybe Levene should inform residents that 60% of your council tax goes on wages AND then tell us how much of that 60% goes on executive wages AND then give us a breakdown on everybody over 60K p.a.???
“During 2013/14, the Government has reduced its funding to City of York Council by £3.9 million”, before explaining the reasons for the service changes. Coun Levene said the effect of Government funding cuts on council services was “fact”. He said: “Our communications should explain and inform residents, as we did through this particular leaflet." yet the labour council still manage to give some executive on over 100K p.a. a 12K pay rise?? another fact levene missed out was that over the 13 year labour government years my council tax went up over 100% and is now my biggest bill in my house just pipping my energy bill which i have the choice of reducing by not turning it on and stuff!! maybe Levene should inform residents that 60% of your council tax goes on wages AND then tell us how much of that 60% goes on executive wages AND then give us a breakdown on everybody over 60K p.a.??? oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -131

7:52pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Exlabourmember says...

Dave Ruddock wrote:
here we go again, so called political parties, thowing stones at each other, instead or "Discussing and comming to an agreement" not slagging each other. If Anything a Government notfication whould be ok. Its a grown up world in Real Life. NOT A PLAYGOUND
Oops Matk Waters is an independent
[quote][p][bold]Dave Ruddock[/bold] wrote: here we go again, so called political parties, thowing stones at each other, instead or "Discussing and comming to an agreement" not slagging each other. If Anything a Government notfication whould be ok. Its a grown up world in Real Life. NOT A PLAYGOUND[/p][/quote]Oops Matk Waters is an independent Exlabourmember
  • Score: 146

8:59pm Mon 13 Jan 14

cas540 says...

sparkseffect wrote:
chelk wrote:
Typical of this lot blame everyone else for problems but seek praise for everything that is good even when it is nothing to do with them. So it was the government that was to blame for no recycle collection on the 27th December 2013. The Muppet Show rolls on
I don't disagree with giving the dustmen a week off at Christmas, but did anybody notice that the lunatics in charge of the asylum gave half of the City both recycling and refuse collections in the weeks before and after Christmas, while the rest of us just had our grey bins emptied? Still, at least those actually doing the work collected four weeks' worth of recycling last week with no problems - well done to them.
May I just say that the bin men were not GIVEN a week off at Christmas they were told to take annual leave or take it off without pay - no choice
[quote][p][bold]sparkseffect[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: Typical of this lot blame everyone else for problems but seek praise for everything that is good even when it is nothing to do with them. So it was the government that was to blame for no recycle collection on the 27th December 2013. The Muppet Show rolls on[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with giving the dustmen a week off at Christmas, but did anybody notice that the lunatics in charge of the asylum gave half of the City both recycling and refuse collections in the weeks before and after Christmas, while the rest of us just had our grey bins emptied? Still, at least those actually doing the work collected four weeks' worth of recycling last week with no problems - well done to them.[/p][/quote]May I just say that the bin men were not GIVEN a week off at Christmas they were told to take annual leave or take it off without pay - no choice cas540
  • Score: 11

10:13pm Mon 13 Jan 14

inthesticks says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
“During 2013/14, the Government has reduced its funding to City of York Council by £3.9 million”, before explaining the reasons for the service changes.

Coun Levene said the effect of Government funding cuts on council services was “fact”. He said: “Our communications should explain and inform residents, as we did through this particular leaflet."

yet the labour council still manage to give some executive on over 100K p.a. a 12K pay rise??

another fact levene missed out was that over the 13 year labour government years my council tax went up over 100% and is now my biggest bill in my house just pipping my energy bill which i have the choice of reducing by not turning it on and stuff!!

maybe Levene should inform residents that 60% of your council tax goes on wages AND then tell us how much of that 60% goes on executive wages AND then give us a breakdown on everybody over 60K p.a.???
Here you go.
http://www.york.gov.
uk/downloads/file/74
04/senior_officers_s
alaries_april_2013
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: “During 2013/14, the Government has reduced its funding to City of York Council by £3.9 million”, before explaining the reasons for the service changes. Coun Levene said the effect of Government funding cuts on council services was “fact”. He said: “Our communications should explain and inform residents, as we did through this particular leaflet." yet the labour council still manage to give some executive on over 100K p.a. a 12K pay rise?? another fact levene missed out was that over the 13 year labour government years my council tax went up over 100% and is now my biggest bill in my house just pipping my energy bill which i have the choice of reducing by not turning it on and stuff!! maybe Levene should inform residents that 60% of your council tax goes on wages AND then tell us how much of that 60% goes on executive wages AND then give us a breakdown on everybody over 60K p.a.???[/p][/quote]Here you go. http://www.york.gov. uk/downloads/file/74 04/senior_officers_s alaries_april_2013 inthesticks
  • Score: -132

11:27pm Mon 13 Jan 14

m dee says...

False Economy- if green bin collections had continued into November for all the Autumn leaves and trimmings and recycling extra collections for the Christmas cardboard/wrapping/t
rees ect ,would save on landfill tax as less possibility of residents cramming their black bins full with the above just to get rid.
False Economy- if green bin collections had continued into November for all the Autumn leaves and trimmings and recycling extra collections for the Christmas cardboard/wrapping/t rees ect ,would save on landfill tax as less possibility of residents cramming their black bins full with the above just to get rid. m dee
  • Score: -44

12:02am Tue 14 Jan 14

oi oi savaloy says...

inthesticks wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
“During 2013/14, the Government has reduced its funding to City of York Council by £3.9 million”, before explaining the reasons for the service changes.

Coun Levene said the effect of Government funding cuts on council services was “fact”. He said: “Our communications should explain and inform residents, as we did through this particular leaflet."

yet the labour council still manage to give some executive on over 100K p.a. a 12K pay rise??

another fact levene missed out was that over the 13 year labour government years my council tax went up over 100% and is now my biggest bill in my house just pipping my energy bill which i have the choice of reducing by not turning it on and stuff!!

maybe Levene should inform residents that 60% of your council tax goes on wages AND then tell us how much of that 60% goes on executive wages AND then give us a breakdown on everybody over 60K p.a.???
Here you go.
http://www.york.gov.

uk/downloads/file/74

04/senior_officers_s

alaries_april_2013
yes thanks 'in the sticks' i already know this information, BUT wouldn't it be great if the loony lefty levine gave this information to the electorate instead of spinning on about government cuts??

also... 'Coun David Levene, cabinet member for environmental services,' .. i find this quite bizarre !!?? he lives in bootham represents heslington and as only been in york 6 years, and in that 6 years (mainly the last 2) we have seen a massive rise in fly tipping, random bags of rubbish, random fridges,settee's,mat
tresses, random just about anything dumped on the street!!
and its mainly heslington area that gets the brunt of this due to the amount of students in the area the big question about this guy is tho, why does he represent heslington? is it anything to do with the amount of students in that area? and the fact that he spends most of his time during freshers (and other times) pestering students to join the labour party?
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: “During 2013/14, the Government has reduced its funding to City of York Council by £3.9 million”, before explaining the reasons for the service changes. Coun Levene said the effect of Government funding cuts on council services was “fact”. He said: “Our communications should explain and inform residents, as we did through this particular leaflet." yet the labour council still manage to give some executive on over 100K p.a. a 12K pay rise?? another fact levene missed out was that over the 13 year labour government years my council tax went up over 100% and is now my biggest bill in my house just pipping my energy bill which i have the choice of reducing by not turning it on and stuff!! maybe Levene should inform residents that 60% of your council tax goes on wages AND then tell us how much of that 60% goes on executive wages AND then give us a breakdown on everybody over 60K p.a.???[/p][/quote]Here you go. http://www.york.gov. uk/downloads/file/74 04/senior_officers_s alaries_april_2013[/p][/quote]yes thanks 'in the sticks' i already know this information, BUT wouldn't it be great if the loony lefty levine gave this information to the electorate instead of spinning on about government cuts?? also... 'Coun David Levene, cabinet member for environmental services,' .. i find this quite bizarre !!?? he lives in bootham represents heslington and as only been in york 6 years, and in that 6 years (mainly the last 2) we have seen a massive rise in fly tipping, random bags of rubbish, random fridges,settee's,mat tresses, random just about anything dumped on the street!! and its mainly heslington area that gets the brunt of this due to the amount of students in the area the big question about this guy is tho, why does he represent heslington? is it anything to do with the amount of students in that area? and the fact that he spends most of his time during freshers (and other times) pestering students to join the labour party? oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -38

12:05am Tue 14 Jan 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Meldrew2 wrote:
Maybe they should have used the money they have wasted on the 20mph signs.

It seems we are getting them soon and living in a cul-de-sac we would be lucky to get to 20mph to be honest.
loving this one... -134! come on york press, time to get to grips with the loony labour lot ... theres like 18 comments and that comment gets -134???
[quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: Maybe they should have used the money they have wasted on the 20mph signs. It seems we are getting them soon and living in a cul-de-sac we would be lucky to get to 20mph to be honest.[/p][/quote]loving this one... -134! come on york press, time to get to grips with the loony labour lot ... theres like 18 comments and that comment gets -134??? oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -24

9:01am Tue 14 Jan 14

Dr Brian says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
Maybe they should have used the money they have wasted on the 20mph signs.

It seems we are getting them soon and living in a cul-de-sac we would be lucky to get to 20mph to be honest.
loving this one... -134! come on york press, time to get to grips with the loony labour lot ... theres like 18 comments and that comment gets -134???
The James Alexander Mafia may think they are convincing people that their policies are liked because that have a campaign to thumbs down any comments that criticise Jimmy no mates but fortunately they will have no way of tampering with the the ballot boxes come local election time when the public will rid us of Alexander the worst leader of any political party I can remember in my sixty plus years living in York
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: Maybe they should have used the money they have wasted on the 20mph signs. It seems we are getting them soon and living in a cul-de-sac we would be lucky to get to 20mph to be honest.[/p][/quote]loving this one... -134! come on york press, time to get to grips with the loony labour lot ... theres like 18 comments and that comment gets -134???[/p][/quote]The James Alexander Mafia may think they are convincing people that their policies are liked because that have a campaign to thumbs down any comments that criticise Jimmy no mates but fortunately they will have no way of tampering with the the ballot boxes come local election time when the public will rid us of Alexander the worst leader of any political party I can remember in my sixty plus years living in York Dr Brian
  • Score: -253

11:08am Tue 14 Jan 14

piaggio1 says...

Tampering with ballot box.s?

Dint stop em in bradford...........
Tampering with ballot box.s? Dint stop em in bradford........... piaggio1
  • Score: -7

11:40am Tue 14 Jan 14

sparkseffect says...

cas540 wrote:
sparkseffect wrote:
chelk wrote:
Typical of this lot blame everyone else for problems but seek praise for everything that is good even when it is nothing to do with them. So it was the government that was to blame for no recycle collection on the 27th December 2013. The Muppet Show rolls on
I don't disagree with giving the dustmen a week off at Christmas, but did anybody notice that the lunatics in charge of the asylum gave half of the City both recycling and refuse collections in the weeks before and after Christmas, while the rest of us just had our grey bins emptied? Still, at least those actually doing the work collected four weeks' worth of recycling last week with no problems - well done to them.
May I just say that the bin men were not GIVEN a week off at Christmas they were told to take annual leave or take it off without pay - no choice
Point taken. Under the old system, the bin men had bank holidays off but had to work the next Saturday (or the Saturdays either side of Christmas) to make up for it. The current arrangements appear to be the management's easy way out - asking the staff who wants to work then trying to arrange a refuse collection for as many people as possible with the available staff sounds like something for the "too difficult" tray - and they have plenty of those at CoYC.
[quote][p][bold]cas540[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sparkseffect[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: Typical of this lot blame everyone else for problems but seek praise for everything that is good even when it is nothing to do with them. So it was the government that was to blame for no recycle collection on the 27th December 2013. The Muppet Show rolls on[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with giving the dustmen a week off at Christmas, but did anybody notice that the lunatics in charge of the asylum gave half of the City both recycling and refuse collections in the weeks before and after Christmas, while the rest of us just had our grey bins emptied? Still, at least those actually doing the work collected four weeks' worth of recycling last week with no problems - well done to them.[/p][/quote]May I just say that the bin men were not GIVEN a week off at Christmas they were told to take annual leave or take it off without pay - no choice[/p][/quote]Point taken. Under the old system, the bin men had bank holidays off but had to work the next Saturday (or the Saturdays either side of Christmas) to make up for it. The current arrangements appear to be the management's easy way out - asking the staff who wants to work then trying to arrange a refuse collection for as many people as possible with the available staff sounds like something for the "too difficult" tray - and they have plenty of those at CoYC. sparkseffect
  • Score: -11

12:37pm Tue 14 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......
What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ...... CaroleBaines
  • Score: 9

12:42pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Madasanibbotson says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......
FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......[/p][/quote]FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post. Madasanibbotson
  • Score: -26

1:47pm Tue 14 Jan 14

TCJYork says...

cas540 wrote:
sparkseffect wrote:
chelk wrote:
Typical of this lot blame everyone else for problems but seek praise for everything that is good even when it is nothing to do with them. So it was the government that was to blame for no recycle collection on the 27th December 2013. The Muppet Show rolls on
I don't disagree with giving the dustmen a week off at Christmas, but did anybody notice that the lunatics in charge of the asylum gave half of the City both recycling and refuse collections in the weeks before and after Christmas, while the rest of us just had our grey bins emptied? Still, at least those actually doing the work collected four weeks' worth of recycling last week with no problems - well done to them.
May I just say that the bin men were not GIVEN a week off at Christmas they were told to take annual leave or take it off without pay - no choice
Poor sods having to spend Christmas with the family.
[quote][p][bold]cas540[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sparkseffect[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: Typical of this lot blame everyone else for problems but seek praise for everything that is good even when it is nothing to do with them. So it was the government that was to blame for no recycle collection on the 27th December 2013. The Muppet Show rolls on[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with giving the dustmen a week off at Christmas, but did anybody notice that the lunatics in charge of the asylum gave half of the City both recycling and refuse collections in the weeks before and after Christmas, while the rest of us just had our grey bins emptied? Still, at least those actually doing the work collected four weeks' worth of recycling last week with no problems - well done to them.[/p][/quote]May I just say that the bin men were not GIVEN a week off at Christmas they were told to take annual leave or take it off without pay - no choice[/p][/quote]Poor sods having to spend Christmas with the family. TCJYork
  • Score: 4

5:18pm Tue 14 Jan 14

cas540 says...

sparkseffect wrote:
cas540 wrote:
sparkseffect wrote:
chelk wrote:
Typical of this lot blame everyone else for problems but seek praise for everything that is good even when it is nothing to do with them. So it was the government that was to blame for no recycle collection on the 27th December 2013. The Muppet Show rolls on
I don't disagree with giving the dustmen a week off at Christmas, but did anybody notice that the lunatics in charge of the asylum gave half of the City both recycling and refuse collections in the weeks before and after Christmas, while the rest of us just had our grey bins emptied? Still, at least those actually doing the work collected four weeks' worth of recycling last week with no problems - well done to them.
May I just say that the bin men were not GIVEN a week off at Christmas they were told to take annual leave or take it off without pay - no choice
Point taken. Under the old system, the bin men had bank holidays off but had to work the next Saturday (or the Saturdays either side of Christmas) to make up for it. The current arrangements appear to be the management's easy way out - asking the staff who wants to work then trying to arrange a refuse collection for as many people as possible with the available staff sounds like something for the "too difficult" tray - and they have plenty of those at CoYC.
Yes and the old system worked and was a lot cheaper for the council .as they weren't paying for vast amounts of agency staff to collect the refuse like they have done this year.
That has got to have cost them more.
[quote][p][bold]sparkseffect[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cas540[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sparkseffect[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chelk[/bold] wrote: Typical of this lot blame everyone else for problems but seek praise for everything that is good even when it is nothing to do with them. So it was the government that was to blame for no recycle collection on the 27th December 2013. The Muppet Show rolls on[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with giving the dustmen a week off at Christmas, but did anybody notice that the lunatics in charge of the asylum gave half of the City both recycling and refuse collections in the weeks before and after Christmas, while the rest of us just had our grey bins emptied? Still, at least those actually doing the work collected four weeks' worth of recycling last week with no problems - well done to them.[/p][/quote]May I just say that the bin men were not GIVEN a week off at Christmas they were told to take annual leave or take it off without pay - no choice[/p][/quote]Point taken. Under the old system, the bin men had bank holidays off but had to work the next Saturday (or the Saturdays either side of Christmas) to make up for it. The current arrangements appear to be the management's easy way out - asking the staff who wants to work then trying to arrange a refuse collection for as many people as possible with the available staff sounds like something for the "too difficult" tray - and they have plenty of those at CoYC.[/p][/quote]Yes and the old system worked and was a lot cheaper for the council .as they weren't paying for vast amounts of agency staff to collect the refuse like they have done this year. That has got to have cost them more. cas540
  • Score: -25

5:46pm Tue 14 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

Madasanibbotson wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......
FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.
I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused.

But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space
[quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......[/p][/quote]FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.[/p][/quote]I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused. But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space CaroleBaines
  • Score: 15

6:03pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Madasanibbotson says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
Madasanibbotson wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......
FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.
I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused.

But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space
I don't have any knowledge about CYC staff using facebook in their lunch hour and can see that would be pointless, I don't recall seeing it within this thread but may have missed it.
The FOI rules have safeguards as to the costs involved with complying with requests.
Although not an IT expert I would imagine the example you quote of facebook access would be a touch of a button exercise and take minutes to comply with.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......[/p][/quote]FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.[/p][/quote]I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused. But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space[/p][/quote]I don't have any knowledge about CYC staff using facebook in their lunch hour and can see that would be pointless, I don't recall seeing it within this thread but may have missed it. The FOI rules have safeguards as to the costs involved with complying with requests. Although not an IT expert I would imagine the example you quote of facebook access would be a touch of a button exercise and take minutes to comply with. Madasanibbotson
  • Score: -12

8:27pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Dr Brian says...

I see a post I made criticising James Alexander at 9am today has more than 250 thumbs down does Alexander really believe his own spin so much that people will believe these stats? The problem is the York Press is terrified of him and allow him and his cronies to vote down any criticism of him.
I see a post I made criticising James Alexander at 9am today has more than 250 thumbs down does Alexander really believe his own spin so much that people will believe these stats? The problem is the York Press is terrified of him and allow him and his cronies to vote down any criticism of him. Dr Brian
  • Score: -156

8:52pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Dr Brian wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
Meldrew2 wrote:
Maybe they should have used the money they have wasted on the 20mph signs.

It seems we are getting them soon and living in a cul-de-sac we would be lucky to get to 20mph to be honest.
loving this one... -134! come on york press, time to get to grips with the loony labour lot ... theres like 18 comments and that comment gets -134???
The James Alexander Mafia may think they are convincing people that their policies are liked because that have a campaign to thumbs down any comments that criticise Jimmy no mates but fortunately they will have no way of tampering with the the ballot boxes come local election time when the public will rid us of Alexander the worst leader of any political party I can remember in my sixty plus years living in York
That would be convincing except for the fact that pro-Labour posts also suffer from the votebot.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Meldrew2[/bold] wrote: Maybe they should have used the money they have wasted on the 20mph signs. It seems we are getting them soon and living in a cul-de-sac we would be lucky to get to 20mph to be honest.[/p][/quote]loving this one... -134! come on york press, time to get to grips with the loony labour lot ... theres like 18 comments and that comment gets -134???[/p][/quote]The James Alexander Mafia may think they are convincing people that their policies are liked because that have a campaign to thumbs down any comments that criticise Jimmy no mates but fortunately they will have no way of tampering with the the ballot boxes come local election time when the public will rid us of Alexander the worst leader of any political party I can remember in my sixty plus years living in York[/p][/quote]That would be convincing except for the fact that pro-Labour posts also suffer from the votebot. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -134

9:40am Wed 15 Jan 14

oi oi savaloy says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
Madasanibbotson wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......
FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.
I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused.

But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space
so are council employee's allowed to access social networking sites on council computers?
most private sector companies block social networking sites (and rightly so), and its time they were blocked in public sector!! if already not!!
if they want to do Facebook in their lunchtime, fair enough but do it on your smartphone or tablets!! no wonder York is in a mess with this administration!
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......[/p][/quote]FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.[/p][/quote]I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused. But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space[/p][/quote]so are council employee's allowed to access social networking sites on council computers? most private sector companies block social networking sites (and rightly so), and its time they were blocked in public sector!! if already not!! if they want to do Facebook in their lunchtime, fair enough but do it on your smartphone or tablets!! no wonder York is in a mess with this administration! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -35

9:45am Wed 15 Jan 14

Madasanibbotson says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Madasanibbotson wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......
FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.
I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused.

But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space
so are council employee's allowed to access social networking sites on council computers?
most private sector companies block social networking sites (and rightly so), and its time they were blocked in public sector!! if already not!!
if they want to do Facebook in their lunchtime, fair enough but do it on your smartphone or tablets!! no wonder York is in a mess with this administration!
CYC staff access Facebook, Twitter and The Press site 80,000 times a day Monday to Friday.
And before CaroleBaines starts moaning the figures were obtained via FOI request.
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......[/p][/quote]FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.[/p][/quote]I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused. But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space[/p][/quote]so are council employee's allowed to access social networking sites on council computers? most private sector companies block social networking sites (and rightly so), and its time they were blocked in public sector!! if already not!! if they want to do Facebook in their lunchtime, fair enough but do it on your smartphone or tablets!! no wonder York is in a mess with this administration![/p][/quote]CYC staff access Facebook, Twitter and The Press site 80,000 times a day Monday to Friday. And before CaroleBaines starts moaning the figures were obtained via FOI request. Madasanibbotson
  • Score: -16

12:46pm Wed 15 Jan 14

CaroleBaines says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Madasanibbotson wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......
FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.
I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused.

But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space
so are council employee's allowed to access social networking sites on council computers?
most private sector companies block social networking sites (and rightly so), and its time they were blocked in public sector!! if already not!!
if they want to do Facebook in their lunchtime, fair enough but do it on your smartphone or tablets!! no wonder York is in a mess with this administration!
Erm...the Council is on Facebook - it runs a page there. How would they update it without using a Council computer? Oops oi oi!
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......[/p][/quote]FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.[/p][/quote]I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused. But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space[/p][/quote]so are council employee's allowed to access social networking sites on council computers? most private sector companies block social networking sites (and rightly so), and its time they were blocked in public sector!! if already not!! if they want to do Facebook in their lunchtime, fair enough but do it on your smartphone or tablets!! no wonder York is in a mess with this administration![/p][/quote]Erm...the Council is on Facebook - it runs a page there. How would they update it without using a Council computer? Oops oi oi! CaroleBaines
  • Score: 21

5:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Madasanibbotson says...

Carolebaines,

So you are saying it takes 80,000 hits a day to update the councils facebook page ?
Carolebaines, So you are saying it takes 80,000 hits a day to update the councils facebook page ? Madasanibbotson
  • Score: -19

7:21pm Wed 15 Jan 14

oi oi savaloy says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Madasanibbotson wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......
FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.
I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused.

But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space
so are council employee's allowed to access social networking sites on council computers?
most private sector companies block social networking sites (and rightly so), and its time they were blocked in public sector!! if already not!!
if they want to do Facebook in their lunchtime, fair enough but do it on your smartphone or tablets!! no wonder York is in a mess with this administration!
Erm...the Council is on Facebook - it runs a page there. How would they update it without using a Council computer? Oops oi oi!
er.. my company is on Facebook and twitter (as is most companies ) .. but a designated employee does the updating.. it doesn't need every employee at the council (or any other company)to be able to access these sites!just get on with the job you are paid to do! oops indeed!! DOH!
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......[/p][/quote]FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.[/p][/quote]I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused. But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space[/p][/quote]so are council employee's allowed to access social networking sites on council computers? most private sector companies block social networking sites (and rightly so), and its time they were blocked in public sector!! if already not!! if they want to do Facebook in their lunchtime, fair enough but do it on your smartphone or tablets!! no wonder York is in a mess with this administration![/p][/quote]Erm...the Council is on Facebook - it runs a page there. How would they update it without using a Council computer? Oops oi oi![/p][/quote]er.. my company is on Facebook and twitter (as is most companies ) .. but a designated employee does the updating.. it doesn't need every employee at the council (or any other company)to be able to access these sites!just get on with the job you are paid to do! oops indeed!! DOH! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -9

7:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Madasanibbotson wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Madasanibbotson wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......
FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.
I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused.

But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space
so are council employee's allowed to access social networking sites on council computers?
most private sector companies block social networking sites (and rightly so), and its time they were blocked in public sector!! if already not!!
if they want to do Facebook in their lunchtime, fair enough but do it on your smartphone or tablets!! no wonder York is in a mess with this administration!
CYC staff access Facebook, Twitter and The Press site 80,000 times a day Monday to Friday.
And before CaroleBaines starts moaning the figures were obtained via FOI request.
that is a shocking statistic ! just think of how much work time is lost and how much could be saved on your council tax bill if social networking sites were blocked from the computers that DONT NEED Facebook/twitter!
[quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Madasanibbotson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: What a lot of fuss about nothing. Why is my council tax spent on pointless FOI requests and politicians arguing about wording on bins? And as for Mark Warters; no, do not get me started ......[/p][/quote]FOI's are not a waste of time, as will shortly be made very clear. No doubt the CYC protection squad at the Press will remove this post.[/p][/quote]I am not saying they ALL are - but repeatedly asking how long Council employees spend on Facebook (in their lunch hour!) and how much the police spend on uniforms and then spinning a 'shock horror' story out of it helps nobody. Remember tax payers money pays for employees to sift this info and the service should not be abused. But am not against the principle if it is used correctly. Might even do one myself to find which individuals have submitted the most FOIs this year. Will publish the results on here I think. Watch this space[/p][/quote]so are council employee's allowed to access social networking sites on council computers? most private sector companies block social networking sites (and rightly so), and its time they were blocked in public sector!! if already not!! if they want to do Facebook in their lunchtime, fair enough but do it on your smartphone or tablets!! no wonder York is in a mess with this administration![/p][/quote]CYC staff access Facebook, Twitter and The Press site 80,000 times a day Monday to Friday. And before CaroleBaines starts moaning the figures were obtained via FOI request.[/p][/quote]that is a shocking statistic ! just think of how much work time is lost and how much could be saved on your council tax bill if social networking sites were blocked from the computers that DONT NEED Facebook/twitter! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -18

10:35pm Thu 16 Jan 14

cas540 says...

I see the Muppets are at it again, tampering with the voting...
Pity they have not got anything better to do than twiddling the thumbs.
I see the Muppets are at it again, tampering with the voting... Pity they have not got anything better to do than twiddling the thumbs. cas540
  • Score: -4

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