Bus services in rural areas may be reprieved

York Press: Bus services in rural areas may be reprieved Bus services in rural areas may be reprieved

VITAL bus services to rural parts of Yorkshire could be reprieved under revised savings plans by North Yorkshire County Council.

The axe has been hanging for months over bus services to isolated villages and those bringing market town residents into town centres, after the council announced plans to cut bus subsidies.

A consultation on the cuts – designed to save £1.1 million, a quarter of the council’s bus subsidy budget – ran from August until November. The results will be debated by the council’s transport scrutiny committee tomorrow before it passes on a recommendation to the executive committee in the New Year.

A report based on all 2,000 consultation responses puts forward alterations to the proposals, and confirms that some town services, including the No193 which serves Norton and Malton, look set to be carried on as entirely commercial services.

Norton’s county councillor Elizabeth Shields has cautiously welcomed the news.

She said: “Apparently a commercial service is assured, but there is no mention of subsidies. The scrutiny committee meets on Thursday and I hope its members will push for at least part of the £18,000 subsidies our towns need to be retained.”

Coun Shields said she was concerned about ticket prices for people who did not have concessionary bus passes – a problem that could apply to other towns facing the loss of subsidised services.

In Easingwold, the No31 connects the town to Helmsley and had faced severe cuts. Now the proposal is to cut just one journey either way in the evening. Tracy Battensby relies on the bus to get from her home in Easingwold to work in Ampleforth and said the new proposal was a “big relief”.

“It sounds a lot better than it was. If this is the case, I will be able to carry on getting to work.”

The report says on some routes – including one between Ripon and Thirsk and another travelling from Malton to Hutton le Hole, Kirkbymoorside and moors villages – passenger numbers had increased so much that they recommend the service should stay the same.

However, other services have been less fortunate. There is no confirmed future for the town service in Pickering, and the report still recommends cuts in services between Hovingham and Helmsley down to two buses on Fridays.

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12:34pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Junior123 says...

Maybe they should include Haxby in that , as the service we get is appauling esp on the no13
Maybe they should include Haxby in that , as the service we get is appauling esp on the no13 Junior123

12:39pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Bumbleina says...

Wish they would reinstate the Knaresborough to York bus, train service is appalling, I never get a seat, they are always delayed or cancelled, it shouldn't be happening in this day and age.
Wish they would reinstate the Knaresborough to York bus, train service is appalling, I never get a seat, they are always delayed or cancelled, it shouldn't be happening in this day and age. Bumbleina

7:49pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Dick Turpin says...

Does that include the 3 late night Coastliners from York to Malton?
Does that include the 3 late night Coastliners from York to Malton? Dick Turpin

2:09am Thu 19 Dec 13

Magicman! says...

Bumbleina wrote:
Wish they would reinstate the Knaresborough to York bus, train service is appalling, I never get a seat, they are always delayed or cancelled, it shouldn't be happening in this day and age.
The reason that service got cut was because in the end it was only being used by Free Bus Pass holders. The X54 started off as an entirely commercial venture by Harrogate and District, but then went through a transitionary period where H&D and Harrogate Coach Travel (ConnexionsBuses) were running services, then just HCT.
As it stands, subsidy for Free Bus Pass holders is somewhere around 58% (from a figure I was given a while back) - which means that for every FBP passenger, the bus company only gets reimbursed 58p out of every £1 worth of fare, the other 42p has to come from ordinary fare-paying passengers: but the X54 did not have ANY fare paying passengers. This meant every single journey was operating at a loss, and because the passengers on board added extra weight to the vehicle and so more fuel was consumed then the bus was losing MORE money than if it was completely empty!! So HCT cut their losses and ended the X54 service. And there are countless other examples like this, where bus services have fell by the wayside - either being severley cut back or got rid of entirely - simply due to the only passengers on board having Free Bus Passes. In the case of the group trying to get Moorsbus running again, they have had feedback from FBP holders who regularly travel stating they would not mind paying a fare if it meant the service had enough money to operate.... if this had happened with the X54 then who knows, there might still be a Harrogate/Knaresboro
ugh to York bus service now.

Anyway, there's plans afoot to redouble the railway line, resignal it, improve the tracks, electrify it, and introduce electric 4-coach trains to it operating at least twice an hour to and from York. The likely trains are rumoured to be refurbished Class 365 trains which are currently with Capital Connect (and I do hope those come up, because they sound like a racecar when they set off!)
[quote][p][bold]Bumbleina[/bold] wrote: Wish they would reinstate the Knaresborough to York bus, train service is appalling, I never get a seat, they are always delayed or cancelled, it shouldn't be happening in this day and age.[/p][/quote]The reason that service got cut was because in the end it was only being used by Free Bus Pass holders. The X54 started off as an entirely commercial venture by Harrogate and District, but then went through a transitionary period where H&D and Harrogate Coach Travel (ConnexionsBuses) were running services, then just HCT. As it stands, subsidy for Free Bus Pass holders is somewhere around 58% (from a figure I was given a while back) - which means that for every FBP passenger, the bus company only gets reimbursed 58p out of every £1 worth of fare, the other 42p has to come from ordinary fare-paying passengers: but the X54 did not have ANY fare paying passengers. This meant every single journey was operating at a loss, and because the passengers on board added extra weight to the vehicle and so more fuel was consumed then the bus was losing MORE money than if it was completely empty!! So HCT cut their losses and ended the X54 service. And there are countless other examples like this, where bus services have fell by the wayside - either being severley cut back or got rid of entirely - simply due to the only passengers on board having Free Bus Passes. In the case of the group trying to get Moorsbus running again, they have had feedback from FBP holders who regularly travel stating they would not mind paying a fare if it meant the service had enough money to operate.... if this had happened with the X54 then who knows, there might still be a Harrogate/Knaresboro ugh to York bus service now. Anyway, there's plans afoot to redouble the railway line, resignal it, improve the tracks, electrify it, and introduce electric 4-coach trains to it operating at least twice an hour to and from York. The likely trains are rumoured to be refurbished Class 365 trains which are currently with Capital Connect (and I do hope those come up, because they sound like a racecar when they set off!) Magicman!

8:21am Thu 19 Dec 13

chrisatyork says...

Used to use the x54 as a paying passenger but went back to the train as the seat hoggers looked disgusted at me when i asked if i could use the window seat (where their shopping was) to sit down
Used to use the x54 as a paying passenger but went back to the train as the seat hoggers looked disgusted at me when i asked if i could use the window seat (where their shopping was) to sit down chrisatyork

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