Ex-Labour councillor Lynn Jeffries joins Liberal Democrats

York Press: Lynn Jeffries, who has now joined the Liberal Democrats on City of York Council Lynn Jeffries, who has now joined the Liberal Democrats on City of York Council

AN EQUALITIES campaigner who quit York’s ruling Labour party over care cuts is to join the rival Liberal Democrats.

Lynn Jeffries became an independent councillor for Westfield after leaving Labour last August, but said she had now switched sides because her new party offered “the real alternative” to her old one.

The Lib Dems will now have the same number of councillors – nine – as the Conservatives, the official City of York Council opposition since 2011. Coun Jeffries left Labour following last year’s decision to withdraw community social care to 184 people, also criticising its handling of issues including the proposed sale of Union Terrace car park and Beckfield Lane tip’s closure. She also claimed Labour’s leadership stifled inter-party debate and ignored residents.

“When Labour closed Beckfield Lane and Burnholme Community College and cut adult social care, it was the Lib Dems who actually listened to residents and led the opposition, and they are also leading the fight against Labour’s plans to rip up the Green Belt (through sites for new homes under York’s Local Plan),” she said.

“Lib Dem campaigners in Westfield and elsewhere are the ones actually working hard for local residents. I feel joining the group is the best way for me to represent the people of Westfield and stand up for the rights of vulnerable people suffering the impact of Labour’s cuts. There is real value in being an independent councillor, but in Westfield I feel I can do much more with the Lib Dems behind me.”

New Lib Dem leader Keith Aspden said he was thrilled at Coun Jeffries’ decision. He said: “She took a brave and principled stand last year and has a proven track record as a diligent campaigner on equality issues, so her experience and insight on these matters will be invaluable to the group.

“She does an excellent job representing Westfield residents. I’m looking forward to working with her.”

Council leader James Alexander said: “I’m sure the Lib Dems have fully vetted Coun Jeffries on her suitability, but she doesn’t have a good track record of honouring her party allegiance - she has been Labour, independent, Lib Dem, and we aren’t even halfway through the term of this council.

"At some point, she must decide. I'm sure Coun Jeffries and the Lib Dems know what they are doing and I wish them well."

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9:26am Fri 17 May 13

Garrowby Turnoff says...

Out of the frying pan into the...
Out of the frying pan into the... Garrowby Turnoff

9:36am Fri 17 May 13

Micklegate says...

One thing the voters of Westfield very clearly did in 2010 is reject the lib dems, it is an outrageous betrayal.

She also said after get previous defection she would stay an independent - it's actions like this that destroy trust in politicians.
One thing the voters of Westfield very clearly did in 2010 is reject the lib dems, it is an outrageous betrayal. She also said after get previous defection she would stay an independent - it's actions like this that destroy trust in politicians. Micklegate

9:36am Fri 17 May 13

Sophia Chip says...

Hugely disappointed by Cllr Jeffries decision.

York needs more Independent voices on the Council not another member of the opposition.

I'm sure that this will lead to yet another round of York Party Political fighting with the actual issues affecting residents being lost. James Alexander's "I’m sure the Lib Dems have fully vetted Coun Jeffries on her suitability..." being the first salvo. He has previously said he was the one who persuaded Cllr Jeffries to stand for Labour, did he fully vet her?

Although I wish Lynn Jeffries well, I am bitterly disappointed that York has lost an Independent voice.
Hugely disappointed by Cllr Jeffries decision. York needs more Independent voices on the Council not another member of the opposition. I'm sure that this will lead to yet another round of York Party Political fighting with the actual issues affecting residents being lost. James Alexander's "I’m sure the Lib Dems have fully vetted Coun Jeffries on her suitability..." being the first salvo. He has previously said he was the one who persuaded Cllr Jeffries to stand for Labour, did he fully vet her? Although I wish Lynn Jeffries well, I am bitterly disappointed that York has lost an Independent voice. Sophia Chip

9:39am Fri 17 May 13

inthesticks says...

More sides than a dice this woman.
More sides than a dice this woman. inthesticks

9:40am Fri 17 May 13

meme says...

If you are voted in as an independent you should remain an independent until the public have a chance to vote again for you as a Liberal. Not switch half way through.
Its a betrayal of the voting system
If you are voted in as an independent you should remain an independent until the public have a chance to vote again for you as a Liberal. Not switch half way through. Its a betrayal of the voting system meme

9:46am Fri 17 May 13

BishopthorpeLion says...

'I feel joining the group is the best way for me to represent the people of Westfield and stand up for the rights of vulnerable people suffering the impact of Labour’s cuts.'
Good to see a councillor genuinely caring about their community. Perhaps Alexander and his cronies could learn something.
'I feel joining the group is the best way for me to represent the people of Westfield and stand up for the rights of vulnerable people suffering the impact of Labour’s cuts.' Good to see a councillor genuinely caring about their community. Perhaps Alexander and his cronies could learn something. BishopthorpeLion

9:47am Fri 17 May 13

Oaklands Resident says...

Good. That helps to redress the balance.

Labour only got 40% of the vote in the 2011 local elections but have an overall majority of the Council seats.

So we've seen decisions taken behind closed doors with no consultation.

Residents views have been ignored with the Beckfield Lane recycling centre soon to be built on, 20 mph speed limits imposed where they are unnecessary, Lendal Bridge being closed to private vehicles and - most recently - an outrageous attack on the York Green Belt as the Council seeks to find space for 22,000 more homes to accommodate migrant workers.

The Opposition Councillors have to work together to oppose this appalling dictatorship.
Good. That helps to redress the balance. Labour only got 40% of the vote in the 2011 local elections but have an overall majority of the Council seats. So we've seen decisions taken behind closed doors with no consultation. Residents views have been ignored with the Beckfield Lane recycling centre soon to be built on, 20 mph speed limits imposed where they are unnecessary, Lendal Bridge being closed to private vehicles and - most recently - an outrageous attack on the York Green Belt as the Council seeks to find space for 22,000 more homes to accommodate migrant workers. The Opposition Councillors have to work together to oppose this appalling dictatorship. Oaklands Resident

9:50am Fri 17 May 13

Oaklands Resident says...

Micklegate wrote:
One thing the voters of Westfield very clearly did in 2010 is reject the lib dems, it is an outrageous betrayal.

She also said after get previous defection she would stay an independent - it's actions like this that destroy trust in politicians.
The last local elections took place in 2011.

Labour had only a small majority in the Westfield Ward and that owed a lot to a protest vote about the national economic situation.

Boy have we suffered for our mistake in the last 2 years.
[quote][p][bold]Micklegate[/bold] wrote: One thing the voters of Westfield very clearly did in 2010 is reject the lib dems, it is an outrageous betrayal. She also said after get previous defection she would stay an independent - it's actions like this that destroy trust in politicians.[/p][/quote]The last local elections took place in 2011. Labour had only a small majority in the Westfield Ward and that owed a lot to a protest vote about the national economic situation. Boy have we suffered for our mistake in the last 2 years. Oaklands Resident

9:58am Fri 17 May 13

jimslip says...

I applaud Lynn Jeffries. She has had the courage and committment to put the people first - a rare quality in today's politics. She did us a great favour when she left the Labour party and confirmed what many had already suspected. She has for many years spoken out for vulnerable people and achieved many things. I think she will achieve even more with the lib dems behind her. They are very lucky to have her. Well done Lynn.
I applaud Lynn Jeffries. She has had the courage and committment to put the people first - a rare quality in today's politics. She did us a great favour when she left the Labour party and confirmed what many had already suspected. She has for many years spoken out for vulnerable people and achieved many things. I think she will achieve even more with the lib dems behind her. They are very lucky to have her. Well done Lynn. jimslip

10:31am Fri 17 May 13

inthesticks says...

So disability spokesperson joins party complicit in government of attack on disabled.
So disability spokesperson joins party complicit in government of attack on disabled. inthesticks

10:33am Fri 17 May 13

asd says...

How can she be credible standing as independant then join libs. She would have more appeal as independant but, thats her choice. We need a council with indepent councilors represnting there ward not their PARTY.
How can she be credible standing as independant then join libs. She would have more appeal as independant but, thats her choice. We need a council with indepent councilors represnting there ward not their PARTY. asd

10:47am Fri 17 May 13

jimslip says...

inthesticks wrote:
So disability spokesperson joins party complicit in government of attack on disabled.
It was Labour who commissioned ATOS!
[quote][p][bold]inthesticks[/bold] wrote: So disability spokesperson joins party complicit in government of attack on disabled.[/p][/quote]It was Labour who commissioned ATOS! jimslip

10:49am Fri 17 May 13

jimslip says...

asd wrote:
How can she be credible standing as independant then join libs. She would have more appeal as independant but, thats her choice. We need a council with indepent councilors represnting there ward not their PARTY.
Read the article! She has joined the Lib Dem party so she can better represent the people on the ward
[quote][p][bold]asd[/bold] wrote: How can she be credible standing as independant then join libs. She would have more appeal as independant but, thats her choice. We need a council with indepent councilors represnting there ward not their PARTY.[/p][/quote]Read the article! She has joined the Lib Dem party so she can better represent the people on the ward jimslip

11:12am Fri 17 May 13

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

jimslip wrote:
I applaud Lynn Jeffries. She has had the courage and committment to put the people first - a rare quality in today's politics. She did us a great favour when she left the Labour party and confirmed what many had already suspected. She has for many years spoken out for vulnerable people and achieved many things. I think she will achieve even more with the lib dems behind her. They are very lucky to have her. Well done Lynn.
Agreed!
Lynn has the knowledge, the personal experience, and the "heart" to do what all Councillors should do-represent her constituents- all of them not just the political fanatics.
Cllr. Alexander's snide comment is I am afraid typical.
[quote][p][bold]jimslip[/bold] wrote: I applaud Lynn Jeffries. She has had the courage and committment to put the people first - a rare quality in today's politics. She did us a great favour when she left the Labour party and confirmed what many had already suspected. She has for many years spoken out for vulnerable people and achieved many things. I think she will achieve even more with the lib dems behind her. They are very lucky to have her. Well done Lynn.[/p][/quote]Agreed! Lynn has the knowledge, the personal experience, and the "heart" to do what all Councillors should do-represent her constituents- all of them not just the political fanatics. Cllr. Alexander's snide comment is I am afraid typical. Older Sometimes Wiser

11:30am Fri 17 May 13

inthesticks says...

jimslip wrote:
asd wrote:
How can she be credible standing as independant then join libs. She would have more appeal as independant but, thats her choice. We need a council with indepent councilors represnting there ward not their PARTY.
Read the article! She has joined the Lib Dem party so she can better represent the people on the ward
I think people are making their feelings clear on here. Your loyalty is admirable, for whatever reason. Political allegiance is not for convenience, surely it comes from your ethics and beliefs. I can`t change mine because I truly believe in them and I have respect for people who stick by theirs even if they aren`t the same as mine.
[quote][p][bold]jimslip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asd[/bold] wrote: How can she be credible standing as independant then join libs. She would have more appeal as independant but, thats her choice. We need a council with indepent councilors represnting there ward not their PARTY.[/p][/quote]Read the article! She has joined the Lib Dem party so she can better represent the people on the ward[/p][/quote]I think people are making their feelings clear on here. Your loyalty is admirable, for whatever reason. Political allegiance is not for convenience, surely it comes from your ethics and beliefs. I can`t change mine because I truly believe in them and I have respect for people who stick by theirs even if they aren`t the same as mine. inthesticks

12:17pm Fri 17 May 13

Jeff_li says...

JA: "...she doesn’t have a good track record of honouring her party allegiance"

You mean she didn't blindly follow your orders of keeping the public in the dark about decisions that were ethically and morally against her and the public views.

I hope she makes you and Crisp eat a huge amount of "rotten apple" flavoured humble pie.
JA: "...she doesn’t have a good track record of honouring her party allegiance" You mean she didn't blindly follow your orders of keeping the public in the dark about decisions that were ethically and morally against her and the public views. I hope she makes you and Crisp eat a huge amount of "rotten apple" flavoured humble pie. Jeff_li

12:22pm Fri 17 May 13

Fat Harry says...

I respected Ms Jeffries' decision to leave Labour over its record of cuts-fuelled attacks on vulnerable people.

Other councillors around the country who have left Labour, have banded together to campaign against cuts and defend services.

What a shame therefore that Ms Jeffries has joined a party with an even worse record than Labour, eager partners in the Tories' campaign to dismantle what's left of the welfare state and privatise the NHS.
I respected Ms Jeffries' decision to leave Labour over its record of cuts-fuelled attacks on vulnerable people. Other councillors around the country who have left Labour, have banded together to campaign against cuts and defend services. What a shame therefore that Ms Jeffries has joined a party with an even worse record than Labour, eager partners in the Tories' campaign to dismantle what's left of the welfare state and privatise the NHS. Fat Harry

12:23pm Fri 17 May 13

osbaldwickian says...

I think Alexander's attempts to muddy the waters here are disgraceful. He's panicking because councillors are jumping from his sinking ship and strengthening the already strong Lib Dem opposition.

Hooray Lynn Jeffries. If only more Labour councillors had the backbone to stand up to their leader and make a bold decision like that.
I think Alexander's attempts to muddy the waters here are disgraceful. He's panicking because councillors are jumping from his sinking ship and strengthening the already strong Lib Dem opposition. Hooray Lynn Jeffries. If only more Labour councillors had the backbone to stand up to their leader and make a bold decision like that. osbaldwickian

12:30pm Fri 17 May 13

zorpie says...

osbaldwickian wrote:
I think Alexander's attempts to muddy the waters here are disgraceful. He's panicking because councillors are jumping from his sinking ship and strengthening the already strong Lib Dem opposition.

Hooray Lynn Jeffries. If only more Labour councillors had the backbone to stand up to their leader and make a bold decision like that.
Lib Dem opposition? They have no MPs and nine councillors in York. They're a spent force in York, despite the thousands of pounds of dirty money they get from the Rowntrees.
[quote][p][bold]osbaldwickian[/bold] wrote: I think Alexander's attempts to muddy the waters here are disgraceful. He's panicking because councillors are jumping from his sinking ship and strengthening the already strong Lib Dem opposition. Hooray Lynn Jeffries. If only more Labour councillors had the backbone to stand up to their leader and make a bold decision like that.[/p][/quote]Lib Dem opposition? They have no MPs and nine councillors in York. They're a spent force in York, despite the thousands of pounds of dirty money they get from the Rowntrees. zorpie

12:35pm Fri 17 May 13

rothko says...

I supported her decision to speak out against the Labour cuts, but ultimately the cuts are due to the Lib/Con national government imposing cuts on local councils.

Therefore if she is taking a principled stand against cuts she should not get involved with the Lib Dems
I supported her decision to speak out against the Labour cuts, but ultimately the cuts are due to the Lib/Con national government imposing cuts on local councils. Therefore if she is taking a principled stand against cuts she should not get involved with the Lib Dems rothko

12:38pm Fri 17 May 13

osbaldwickian says...

zorpie wrote:
osbaldwickian wrote:
I think Alexander's attempts to muddy the waters here are disgraceful. He's panicking because councillors are jumping from his sinking ship and strengthening the already strong Lib Dem opposition.

Hooray Lynn Jeffries. If only more Labour councillors had the backbone to stand up to their leader and make a bold decision like that.
Lib Dem opposition? They have no MPs and nine councillors in York. They're a spent force in York, despite the thousands of pounds of dirty money they get from the Rowntrees.
When was the last time you saw the Tories doing anything positive around York? The fact of the matter is, it's the Lib Dems that can be bothered to stand up to Labour and oppose their shambles of a group. Take the green bin tax, take the tearing apart of the green belt, selling off libraries, Towthorpe tip, the ridiculous 'arts barge' - all these issues that are stupid decisions by Labour and have had Lib Dems leading the opposition. Yes, even with only 8/9 councillors and no MP.
[quote][p][bold]zorpie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]osbaldwickian[/bold] wrote: I think Alexander's attempts to muddy the waters here are disgraceful. He's panicking because councillors are jumping from his sinking ship and strengthening the already strong Lib Dem opposition. Hooray Lynn Jeffries. If only more Labour councillors had the backbone to stand up to their leader and make a bold decision like that.[/p][/quote]Lib Dem opposition? They have no MPs and nine councillors in York. They're a spent force in York, despite the thousands of pounds of dirty money they get from the Rowntrees.[/p][/quote]When was the last time you saw the Tories doing anything positive around York? The fact of the matter is, it's the Lib Dems that can be bothered to stand up to Labour and oppose their shambles of a group. Take the green bin tax, take the tearing apart of the green belt, selling off libraries, Towthorpe tip, the ridiculous 'arts barge' - all these issues that are stupid decisions by Labour and have had Lib Dems leading the opposition. Yes, even with only 8/9 councillors and no MP. osbaldwickian

12:50pm Fri 17 May 13

nearlyman says...

Council leader James Alexander said: “I’m sure the Lib Dems have fully vetted Coun Jeffries on her suitability, but she doesn’t have a good track record of honouring her party allegiance - she has been Labour, independent, Lib Dem, and we aren’t even halfway through the term of this council.

Basically she was shafted by Alexanders party for having an opinion rather than be voting fodder............Mr Alexander displays further contempt by trying to ridicule someone who has a conscience. Shame on him and his cohorts.
Council leader James Alexander said: “I’m sure the Lib Dems have fully vetted Coun Jeffries on her suitability, but she doesn’t have a good track record of honouring her party allegiance - she has been Labour, independent, Lib Dem, and we aren’t even halfway through the term of this council. Basically she was shafted by Alexanders party for having an opinion rather than be voting fodder............Mr Alexander displays further contempt by trying to ridicule someone who has a conscience. Shame on him and his cohorts. nearlyman

1:38pm Fri 17 May 13

asd says...

jimslip wrote:
asd wrote: How can she be credible standing as independant then join libs. She would have more appeal as independant but, thats her choice. We need a council with indepent councilors represnting there ward not their PARTY.
Read the article! She has joined the Lib Dem party so she can better represent the people on the ward
I suggest you read carefully what I said as well !
[quote][p][bold]jimslip[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]asd[/bold] wrote: How can she be credible standing as independant then join libs. She would have more appeal as independant but, thats her choice. We need a council with indepent councilors represnting there ward not their PARTY.[/p][/quote]Read the article! She has joined the Lib Dem party so she can better represent the people on the ward[/p][/quote]I suggest you read carefully what I said as well ! asd

1:43pm Fri 17 May 13

asd says...

Political parties nationally are a good idea BUT, locally it does not make sense. They have to tow the party line even if its against what they believe in a local environment. If someone is independant they will more than likely represent their ward UNLIKE political parties.
Political parties nationally are a good idea BUT, locally it does not make sense. They have to tow the party line even if its against what they believe in a local environment. If someone is independant they will more than likely represent their ward UNLIKE political parties. asd

1:44pm Fri 17 May 13

YO32BOY says...

'quit York’s ruling Labour party over care cuts'-Anybody else who reads the national news smell hypocrisy here. It was the Lib Dems who jumped into bed with the nasty party and started implementing all these cuts to local government. Just saying.
'quit York’s ruling Labour party over care cuts'-Anybody else who reads the national news smell hypocrisy here. It was the Lib Dems who jumped into bed with the nasty party and started implementing all these cuts to local government. Just saying. YO32BOY

1:45pm Fri 17 May 13

YO32BOY says...

'quit York’s ruling Labour party over care cuts'-Anybody else who reads the national news smell hypocrisy here. It was the Lib Dems who jumped into bed with the nasty party and started implementing all these cuts to local government. Just saying.
'quit York’s ruling Labour party over care cuts'-Anybody else who reads the national news smell hypocrisy here. It was the Lib Dems who jumped into bed with the nasty party and started implementing all these cuts to local government. Just saying. YO32BOY

2:03pm Fri 17 May 13

zorpie says...

osbaldwickian wrote:
zorpie wrote:
osbaldwickian wrote:
I think Alexander's attempts to muddy the waters here are disgraceful. He's panicking because councillors are jumping from his sinking ship and strengthening the already strong Lib Dem opposition.

Hooray Lynn Jeffries. If only more Labour councillors had the backbone to stand up to their leader and make a bold decision like that.
Lib Dem opposition? They have no MPs and nine councillors in York. They're a spent force in York, despite the thousands of pounds of dirty money they get from the Rowntrees.
When was the last time you saw the Tories doing anything positive around York? The fact of the matter is, it's the Lib Dems that can be bothered to stand up to Labour and oppose their shambles of a group. Take the green bin tax, take the tearing apart of the green belt, selling off libraries, Towthorpe tip, the ridiculous 'arts barge' - all these issues that are stupid decisions by Labour and have had Lib Dems leading the opposition. Yes, even with only 8/9 councillors and no MP.
The Tories lead the campaign to save Towthorpe Tip. http://m.yorkpress.c
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I'd be shocked if there were more than a couple Lib Dem councillors left in York after 2015. Madeline Kirk couldn't keep her seat and their new candidate, Nick Emerson, lives and works in London.

The fact is, before 2011, the Lib Dems had plenty of opportunities to improve York and they did very little, maybe even less than James Alexander and his band of class warriors.
[quote][p][bold]osbaldwickian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zorpie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]osbaldwickian[/bold] wrote: I think Alexander's attempts to muddy the waters here are disgraceful. He's panicking because councillors are jumping from his sinking ship and strengthening the already strong Lib Dem opposition. Hooray Lynn Jeffries. If only more Labour councillors had the backbone to stand up to their leader and make a bold decision like that.[/p][/quote]Lib Dem opposition? They have no MPs and nine councillors in York. They're a spent force in York, despite the thousands of pounds of dirty money they get from the Rowntrees.[/p][/quote]When was the last time you saw the Tories doing anything positive around York? The fact of the matter is, it's the Lib Dems that can be bothered to stand up to Labour and oppose their shambles of a group. Take the green bin tax, take the tearing apart of the green belt, selling off libraries, Towthorpe tip, the ridiculous 'arts barge' - all these issues that are stupid decisions by Labour and have had Lib Dems leading the opposition. Yes, even with only 8/9 councillors and no MP.[/p][/quote]The Tories lead the campaign to save Towthorpe Tip. http://m.yorkpress.c o.uk/news/10242276.B id_to_cut_tip___s_op ening_hours_sparks_p etition/ I'd be shocked if there were more than a couple Lib Dem councillors left in York after 2015. Madeline Kirk couldn't keep her seat and their new candidate, Nick Emerson, lives and works in London. The fact is, before 2011, the Lib Dems had plenty of opportunities to improve York and they did very little, maybe even less than James Alexander and his band of class warriors. zorpie

3:11pm Fri 17 May 13

pedalling paul says...

All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters!
All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters! pedalling paul

4:20pm Fri 17 May 13

Bo Jolly says...

pedalling paul wrote:
All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters!
Strange comment considering that you believe in the 'magic wand' of closing Lendal Bridge. Just like all magic it will be an illusion; the cars won't really disappear, Paul, they'll just go somewhere else.

Vaguely on topic, if the Lib-Dems want to cement their win in the next local elections, they ought to explicitly oppose the Lendal Bridge closure. (And coun. Jeffries might wish to note that forcing those who cannot bike/walk/bus to make longer, more congested, more expensive journeys has a more than passing relevance to the needs of disabled people...)
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters![/p][/quote]Strange comment considering that you believe in the 'magic wand' of closing Lendal Bridge. Just like all magic it will be an illusion; the cars won't really disappear, Paul, they'll just go somewhere else. Vaguely on topic, if the Lib-Dems want to cement their win in the next local elections, they ought to explicitly oppose the Lendal Bridge closure. (And coun. Jeffries might wish to note that forcing those who cannot bike/walk/bus to make longer, more congested, more expensive journeys has a more than passing relevance to the needs of disabled people...) Bo Jolly

5:44pm Fri 17 May 13

Rocking Horse says...

meme wrote:
If you are voted in as an independent you should remain an independent until the public have a chance to vote again for you as a Liberal. Not switch half way through. Its a betrayal of the voting system
Lynn was voted in as a Labour candidate, not an independent.

I'm not a Lib-Dem supporter, but, I'm in favour of any moves that weaken or challenge Labour's despotic regime in York.
[quote][p][bold]meme[/bold] wrote: If you are voted in as an independent you should remain an independent until the public have a chance to vote again for you as a Liberal. Not switch half way through. Its a betrayal of the voting system[/p][/quote]Lynn was voted in as a Labour candidate, not an independent. I'm not a Lib-Dem supporter, but, I'm in favour of any moves that weaken or challenge Labour's despotic regime in York. Rocking Horse

5:47pm Fri 17 May 13

marvell says...

zorpie wrote:
osbaldwickian wrote:
zorpie wrote:
osbaldwickian wrote:
I think Alexander's attempts to muddy the waters here are disgraceful. He's panicking because councillors are jumping from his sinking ship and strengthening the already strong Lib Dem opposition.

Hooray Lynn Jeffries. If only more Labour councillors had the backbone to stand up to their leader and make a bold decision like that.
Lib Dem opposition? They have no MPs and nine councillors in York. They're a spent force in York, despite the thousands of pounds of dirty money they get from the Rowntrees.
When was the last time you saw the Tories doing anything positive around York? The fact of the matter is, it's the Lib Dems that can be bothered to stand up to Labour and oppose their shambles of a group. Take the green bin tax, take the tearing apart of the green belt, selling off libraries, Towthorpe tip, the ridiculous 'arts barge' - all these issues that are stupid decisions by Labour and have had Lib Dems leading the opposition. Yes, even with only 8/9 councillors and no MP.
The Tories lead the campaign to save Towthorpe Tip. http://m.yorkpress.c

o.uk/news/10242276.B

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I'd be shocked if there were more than a couple Lib Dem councillors left in York after 2015. Madeline Kirk couldn't keep her seat and their new candidate, Nick Emerson, lives and works in London.

The fact is, before 2011, the Lib Dems had plenty of opportunities to improve York and they did very little, maybe even less than James Alexander and his band of class warriors.
If you're going to spout lies Zorpie - all you'll do is make yourself look a discredited fool.

Firstly Emmerson does not live and work in London - he lives just off Micklegate and has done for over 8 years from what I know. He doesn't work in London either.

As for the Lib Dems when they last ran York - yes they cocked up on The Barbican - but they did many better things than this useless lot:

- 2 new schools
- sharp reduction in crime
- recycling up from 12% under Labour to 46%
- got government funding for Leeman Rd flood defences
- filled in over 1000 potholes

They didn't busy themselves with wasting £500,000 destroying a unique and beautiful square or £170,000 on closing Lendal Bridge to ensure gridlock for 6 months.
[quote][p][bold]zorpie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]osbaldwickian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zorpie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]osbaldwickian[/bold] wrote: I think Alexander's attempts to muddy the waters here are disgraceful. He's panicking because councillors are jumping from his sinking ship and strengthening the already strong Lib Dem opposition. Hooray Lynn Jeffries. If only more Labour councillors had the backbone to stand up to their leader and make a bold decision like that.[/p][/quote]Lib Dem opposition? They have no MPs and nine councillors in York. They're a spent force in York, despite the thousands of pounds of dirty money they get from the Rowntrees.[/p][/quote]When was the last time you saw the Tories doing anything positive around York? The fact of the matter is, it's the Lib Dems that can be bothered to stand up to Labour and oppose their shambles of a group. Take the green bin tax, take the tearing apart of the green belt, selling off libraries, Towthorpe tip, the ridiculous 'arts barge' - all these issues that are stupid decisions by Labour and have had Lib Dems leading the opposition. Yes, even with only 8/9 councillors and no MP.[/p][/quote]The Tories lead the campaign to save Towthorpe Tip. http://m.yorkpress.c o.uk/news/10242276.B id_to_cut_tip___s_op ening_hours_sparks_p etition/ I'd be shocked if there were more than a couple Lib Dem councillors left in York after 2015. Madeline Kirk couldn't keep her seat and their new candidate, Nick Emerson, lives and works in London. The fact is, before 2011, the Lib Dems had plenty of opportunities to improve York and they did very little, maybe even less than James Alexander and his band of class warriors.[/p][/quote]If you're going to spout lies Zorpie - all you'll do is make yourself look a discredited fool. Firstly Emmerson does not live and work in London - he lives just off Micklegate and has done for over 8 years from what I know. He doesn't work in London either. As for the Lib Dems when they last ran York - yes they cocked up on The Barbican - but they did many better things than this useless lot: - 2 new schools - sharp reduction in crime - recycling up from 12% under Labour to 46% - got government funding for Leeman Rd flood defences - filled in over 1000 potholes They didn't busy themselves with wasting £500,000 destroying a unique and beautiful square or £170,000 on closing Lendal Bridge to ensure gridlock for 6 months. marvell

11:13pm Fri 17 May 13

pedalling paul says...

Bo Jolly wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters!
Strange comment considering that you believe in the 'magic wand' of closing Lendal Bridge. Just like all magic it will be an illusion; the cars won't really disappear, Paul, they'll just go somewhere else.

Vaguely on topic, if the Lib-Dems want to cement their win in the next local elections, they ought to explicitly oppose the Lendal Bridge closure. (And coun. Jeffries might wish to note that forcing those who cannot bike/walk/bus to make longer, more congested, more expensive journeys has a more than passing relevance to the needs of disabled people...)
Short term pain...long term gain. And in a couple of decades, road space will be prioritised for those who need to use a car at peak times, such as the blue badge holders that you mentioned.
[quote][p][bold]Bo Jolly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters![/p][/quote]Strange comment considering that you believe in the 'magic wand' of closing Lendal Bridge. Just like all magic it will be an illusion; the cars won't really disappear, Paul, they'll just go somewhere else. Vaguely on topic, if the Lib-Dems want to cement their win in the next local elections, they ought to explicitly oppose the Lendal Bridge closure. (And coun. Jeffries might wish to note that forcing those who cannot bike/walk/bus to make longer, more congested, more expensive journeys has a more than passing relevance to the needs of disabled people...)[/p][/quote]Short term pain...long term gain. And in a couple of decades, road space will be prioritised for those who need to use a car at peak times, such as the blue badge holders that you mentioned. pedalling paul

11:35pm Fri 17 May 13

nowthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Bo Jolly wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters!
Strange comment considering that you believe in the 'magic wand' of closing Lendal Bridge. Just like all magic it will be an illusion; the cars won't really disappear, Paul, they'll just go somewhere else.

Vaguely on topic, if the Lib-Dems want to cement their win in the next local elections, they ought to explicitly oppose the Lendal Bridge closure. (And coun. Jeffries might wish to note that forcing those who cannot bike/walk/bus to make longer, more congested, more expensive journeys has a more than passing relevance to the needs of disabled people...)
Short term pain...long term gain. And in a couple of decades, road space will be prioritised for those who need to use a car at peak times, such as the blue badge holders that you mentioned.
Why worry ? You won't be here !
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bo Jolly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters![/p][/quote]Strange comment considering that you believe in the 'magic wand' of closing Lendal Bridge. Just like all magic it will be an illusion; the cars won't really disappear, Paul, they'll just go somewhere else. Vaguely on topic, if the Lib-Dems want to cement their win in the next local elections, they ought to explicitly oppose the Lendal Bridge closure. (And coun. Jeffries might wish to note that forcing those who cannot bike/walk/bus to make longer, more congested, more expensive journeys has a more than passing relevance to the needs of disabled people...)[/p][/quote]Short term pain...long term gain. And in a couple of decades, road space will be prioritised for those who need to use a car at peak times, such as the blue badge holders that you mentioned.[/p][/quote]Why worry ? You won't be here ! nowthen

12:15am Sat 18 May 13

Bo Jolly says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Bo Jolly wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters!
Strange comment considering that you believe in the 'magic wand' of closing Lendal Bridge. Just like all magic it will be an illusion; the cars won't really disappear, Paul, they'll just go somewhere else.

Vaguely on topic, if the Lib-Dems want to cement their win in the next local elections, they ought to explicitly oppose the Lendal Bridge closure. (And coun. Jeffries might wish to note that forcing those who cannot bike/walk/bus to make longer, more congested, more expensive journeys has a more than passing relevance to the needs of disabled people...)
Short term pain...long term gain. And in a couple of decades, road space will be prioritised for those who need to use a car at peak times, such as the blue badge holders that you mentioned.
If your 'short term pain.. long term gain' comment is a response to concerns about the impact on disabled people, it is cruel and callous, betraying an almost psychotic lack of empathy.

Even if it's intended as a more general point it still shows the casual indifference of your anti-car attitude to the impact on people's lives.

There is - as far as I know from the Press reports - no exemption for blue badge holders proposed for the Lendal Bridge closure, so your latter point is a red herring. But then, logic and facts (just like empathy) aren't a major part of the case for closure.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bo Jolly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters![/p][/quote]Strange comment considering that you believe in the 'magic wand' of closing Lendal Bridge. Just like all magic it will be an illusion; the cars won't really disappear, Paul, they'll just go somewhere else. Vaguely on topic, if the Lib-Dems want to cement their win in the next local elections, they ought to explicitly oppose the Lendal Bridge closure. (And coun. Jeffries might wish to note that forcing those who cannot bike/walk/bus to make longer, more congested, more expensive journeys has a more than passing relevance to the needs of disabled people...)[/p][/quote]Short term pain...long term gain. And in a couple of decades, road space will be prioritised for those who need to use a car at peak times, such as the blue badge holders that you mentioned.[/p][/quote]If your 'short term pain.. long term gain' comment is a response to concerns about the impact on disabled people, it is cruel and callous, betraying an almost psychotic lack of empathy. Even if it's intended as a more general point it still shows the casual indifference of your anti-car attitude to the impact on people's lives. There is - as far as I know from the Press reports - no exemption for blue badge holders proposed for the Lendal Bridge closure, so your latter point is a red herring. But then, logic and facts (just like empathy) aren't a major part of the case for closure. Bo Jolly

1:00am Sat 18 May 13

zorpie says...

marvell wrote:
zorpie wrote:
osbaldwickian wrote:
zorpie wrote:
osbaldwickian wrote:
I think Alexander's attempts to muddy the waters here are disgraceful. He's panicking because councillors are jumping from his sinking ship and strengthening the already strong Lib Dem opposition.

Hooray Lynn Jeffries. If only more Labour councillors had the backbone to stand up to their leader and make a bold decision like that.
Lib Dem opposition? They have no MPs and nine councillors in York. They're a spent force in York, despite the thousands of pounds of dirty money they get from the Rowntrees.
When was the last time you saw the Tories doing anything positive around York? The fact of the matter is, it's the Lib Dems that can be bothered to stand up to Labour and oppose their shambles of a group. Take the green bin tax, take the tearing apart of the green belt, selling off libraries, Towthorpe tip, the ridiculous 'arts barge' - all these issues that are stupid decisions by Labour and have had Lib Dems leading the opposition. Yes, even with only 8/9 councillors and no MP.
The Tories lead the campaign to save Towthorpe Tip. http://m.yorkpress.c


o.uk/news/10242276.B


id_to_cut_tip___s_op


ening_hours_sparks_p


etition/

I'd be shocked if there were more than a couple Lib Dem councillors left in York after 2015. Madeline Kirk couldn't keep her seat and their new candidate, Nick Emerson, lives and works in London.

The fact is, before 2011, the Lib Dems had plenty of opportunities to improve York and they did very little, maybe even less than James Alexander and his band of class warriors.
If you're going to spout lies Zorpie - all you'll do is make yourself look a discredited fool.

Firstly Emmerson does not live and work in London - he lives just off Micklegate and has done for over 8 years from what I know. He doesn't work in London either.

As for the Lib Dems when they last ran York - yes they cocked up on The Barbican - but they did many better things than this useless lot:

- 2 new schools
- sharp reduction in crime
- recycling up from 12% under Labour to 46%
- got government funding for Leeman Rd flood defences
- filled in over 1000 potholes

They didn't busy themselves with wasting £500,000 destroying a unique and beautiful square or £170,000 on closing Lendal Bridge to ensure gridlock for 6 months.
Are you saying he doesn't work in London? Which York based "international law firm" is he a partner at?

Owning a house in York for 8 or 9 years isn't the same as living here. He dropped out as a the Lib Dem PPC for Selby for the 2010 election because he moved to Hong Kong... I hope he treats the people of York outer with more respect than that.

Also, I don't think someone commenting anonymously on the website of a provincial newspaper has any credibility anyway...
[quote][p][bold]marvell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zorpie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]osbaldwickian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zorpie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]osbaldwickian[/bold] wrote: I think Alexander's attempts to muddy the waters here are disgraceful. He's panicking because councillors are jumping from his sinking ship and strengthening the already strong Lib Dem opposition. Hooray Lynn Jeffries. If only more Labour councillors had the backbone to stand up to their leader and make a bold decision like that.[/p][/quote]Lib Dem opposition? They have no MPs and nine councillors in York. They're a spent force in York, despite the thousands of pounds of dirty money they get from the Rowntrees.[/p][/quote]When was the last time you saw the Tories doing anything positive around York? The fact of the matter is, it's the Lib Dems that can be bothered to stand up to Labour and oppose their shambles of a group. Take the green bin tax, take the tearing apart of the green belt, selling off libraries, Towthorpe tip, the ridiculous 'arts barge' - all these issues that are stupid decisions by Labour and have had Lib Dems leading the opposition. Yes, even with only 8/9 councillors and no MP.[/p][/quote]The Tories lead the campaign to save Towthorpe Tip. http://m.yorkpress.c o.uk/news/10242276.B id_to_cut_tip___s_op ening_hours_sparks_p etition/ I'd be shocked if there were more than a couple Lib Dem councillors left in York after 2015. Madeline Kirk couldn't keep her seat and their new candidate, Nick Emerson, lives and works in London. The fact is, before 2011, the Lib Dems had plenty of opportunities to improve York and they did very little, maybe even less than James Alexander and his band of class warriors.[/p][/quote]If you're going to spout lies Zorpie - all you'll do is make yourself look a discredited fool. Firstly Emmerson does not live and work in London - he lives just off Micklegate and has done for over 8 years from what I know. He doesn't work in London either. As for the Lib Dems when they last ran York - yes they cocked up on The Barbican - but they did many better things than this useless lot: - 2 new schools - sharp reduction in crime - recycling up from 12% under Labour to 46% - got government funding for Leeman Rd flood defences - filled in over 1000 potholes They didn't busy themselves with wasting £500,000 destroying a unique and beautiful square or £170,000 on closing Lendal Bridge to ensure gridlock for 6 months.[/p][/quote]Are you saying he doesn't work in London? Which York based "international law firm" is he a partner at? Owning a house in York for 8 or 9 years isn't the same as living here. He dropped out as a the Lib Dem PPC for Selby for the 2010 election because he moved to Hong Kong... I hope he treats the people of York outer with more respect than that. Also, I don't think someone commenting anonymously on the website of a provincial newspaper has any credibility anyway... zorpie

8:16pm Sat 18 May 13

desmond tiblets says...

YO32BOY wrote:
'quit York’s ruling Labour party over care cuts'-Anybody else who reads the national news smell hypocrisy here. It was the Lib Dems who jumped into bed with the nasty party and started implementing all these cuts to local government. Just saying.
Here we go again.Once again,the reason for all the cuts is the state the previous labour government left the country in.
[quote][p][bold]YO32BOY[/bold] wrote: 'quit York’s ruling Labour party over care cuts'-Anybody else who reads the national news smell hypocrisy here. It was the Lib Dems who jumped into bed with the nasty party and started implementing all these cuts to local government. Just saying.[/p][/quote]Here we go again.Once again,the reason for all the cuts is the state the previous labour government left the country in. desmond tiblets

11:46am Tue 21 May 13

m dee says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Bo Jolly wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters!
Strange comment considering that you believe in the 'magic wand' of closing Lendal Bridge. Just like all magic it will be an illusion; the cars won't really disappear, Paul, they'll just go somewhere else.

Vaguely on topic, if the Lib-Dems want to cement their win in the next local elections, they ought to explicitly oppose the Lendal Bridge closure. (And coun. Jeffries might wish to note that forcing those who cannot bike/walk/bus to make longer, more congested, more expensive journeys has a more than passing relevance to the needs of disabled people...)
Short term pain...long term gain. And in a couple of decades, road space will be prioritised for those who need to use a car at peak times, such as the blue badge holders that you mentioned.
You do realize when making this comment about Blue Badge holders getting access in a couple of decades,with the recent plans they will lose their existing access to Lendall Bridge,Davygate,Libr
ary Square ,Post office ,Blake street,limited spaces on Kings Square,they might as well throw away the access guides or stamp on them access denied.
No disrespect to Coun. Jeffries but no one seems to strongly challenge the decisions that effect Disabled which seems to be taking a backward step in York, has there actually been any disability campaigns led by Coun.Jeffries in the last few years as I have not been aware of any?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bo Jolly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters![/p][/quote]Strange comment considering that you believe in the 'magic wand' of closing Lendal Bridge. Just like all magic it will be an illusion; the cars won't really disappear, Paul, they'll just go somewhere else. Vaguely on topic, if the Lib-Dems want to cement their win in the next local elections, they ought to explicitly oppose the Lendal Bridge closure. (And coun. Jeffries might wish to note that forcing those who cannot bike/walk/bus to make longer, more congested, more expensive journeys has a more than passing relevance to the needs of disabled people...)[/p][/quote]Short term pain...long term gain. And in a couple of decades, road space will be prioritised for those who need to use a car at peak times, such as the blue badge holders that you mentioned.[/p][/quote]You do realize when making this comment about Blue Badge holders getting access in a couple of decades,with the recent plans they will lose their existing access to Lendall Bridge,Davygate,Libr ary Square ,Post office ,Blake street,limited spaces on Kings Square,they might as well throw away the access guides or stamp on them access denied. No disrespect to Coun. Jeffries but no one seems to strongly challenge the decisions that effect Disabled which seems to be taking a backward step in York, has there actually been any disability campaigns led by Coun.Jeffries in the last few years as I have not been aware of any? m dee

12:14am Fri 24 May 13

jimslip says...

m dee wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Bo Jolly wrote:
pedalling paul wrote: All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters!
Strange comment considering that you believe in the 'magic wand' of closing Lendal Bridge. Just like all magic it will be an illusion; the cars won't really disappear, Paul, they'll just go somewhere else. Vaguely on topic, if the Lib-Dems want to cement their win in the next local elections, they ought to explicitly oppose the Lendal Bridge closure. (And coun. Jeffries might wish to note that forcing those who cannot bike/walk/bus to make longer, more congested, more expensive journeys has a more than passing relevance to the needs of disabled people...)
Short term pain...long term gain. And in a couple of decades, road space will be prioritised for those who need to use a car at peak times, such as the blue badge holders that you mentioned.
You do realize when making this comment about Blue Badge holders getting access in a couple of decades,with the recent plans they will lose their existing access to Lendall Bridge,Davygate,Libr ary Square ,Post office ,Blake street,limited spaces on Kings Square,they might as well throw away the access guides or stamp on them access denied. No disrespect to Coun. Jeffries but no one seems to strongly challenge the decisions that effect Disabled which seems to be taking a backward step in York, has there actually been any disability campaigns led by Coun.Jeffries in the last few years as I have not been aware of any?
Where have you been. Cllr Jeffries has stronly challenged library square, davygate and loads of other stuff. Where have you been?
[quote][p][bold]m dee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bo Jolly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: All this reminds me about the story that tells of the fate of two cows under various political systems.....but regardless of who you vote in next time, you won't find paradise. No magic wand to wave at traffic queues for starters![/p][/quote]Strange comment considering that you believe in the 'magic wand' of closing Lendal Bridge. Just like all magic it will be an illusion; the cars won't really disappear, Paul, they'll just go somewhere else. Vaguely on topic, if the Lib-Dems want to cement their win in the next local elections, they ought to explicitly oppose the Lendal Bridge closure. (And coun. Jeffries might wish to note that forcing those who cannot bike/walk/bus to make longer, more congested, more expensive journeys has a more than passing relevance to the needs of disabled people...)[/p][/quote]Short term pain...long term gain. And in a couple of decades, road space will be prioritised for those who need to use a car at peak times, such as the blue badge holders that you mentioned.[/p][/quote]You do realize when making this comment about Blue Badge holders getting access in a couple of decades,with the recent plans they will lose their existing access to Lendall Bridge,Davygate,Libr ary Square ,Post office ,Blake street,limited spaces on Kings Square,they might as well throw away the access guides or stamp on them access denied. No disrespect to Coun. Jeffries but no one seems to strongly challenge the decisions that effect Disabled which seems to be taking a backward step in York, has there actually been any disability campaigns led by Coun.Jeffries in the last few years as I have not been aware of any?[/p][/quote]Where have you been. Cllr Jeffries has stronly challenged library square, davygate and loads of other stuff. Where have you been? jimslip

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