Market traders give extension of pedestrian hours a mixed response

York Press: Newgate Market Newgate Market

MARKET traders have given a mixed response to plans to extend pedestrianised hours in streets in the centre of York.

As reported in The Press yesterday, City of York Council is to extend the period of time that vehicles are barred from city-centre streets as part of an 18-month experiment.

The plans will see cars banned from Davygate for most of the day, and footstreet hours will be applied between 10.30am and 5pm every day from March 18. Under the current rules, cars are barred only until 4pm Monday to Friday, and 4.30pm on Saturdays.

The aim is to keep shoppers and pedestrians safe and make the city-centre shopping experience better.

Roy Hardy, who runs a poster stall in Newgate Market, and Graham Hey, who has a stall selling magic tricks, both welcomed the move.

Between them, the stalls have been regular fixtures at the market for more than 20 years, and both said they felt the extended footstreet times will increase daily trade as the market will be able to stay open longer.

Roy said: “If markets are going to compete with shops they need to stay open longer.

“We pack away at 4pm but shops open until 5.30pm. Some people pack away before 4pm, and if customers see people packing away it can put them off going to the market as they think it’s closing.”

Graham said: “You feel like you’re turning people away.”

Gordon David, runs a fruit and veg stand four days a week, which has been running for more than 30 years.

He said he thought the changes were a bad idea.

He said that when he works at the market, his day started at 3am, and he probably would not get home until 7pm because of traffic under the new changes, which he felt would cause traffic to build up.

He said: “I am going to be doing 16 hours a day. I am not very happy.”

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9:30am Wed 20 Feb 13

keepitshut says...

Two traders..Two different perspectives.
The poster trader thinks its a good idea and the fruit and veg trader thinks its a bad idea.
The reason....poster trader doesnt set up pitch till 1030am, wheras, the fruit trader is setting up at 3am.
Poster trader will be doing a 6.5 hour day and fruit trader 14 hour day on market.
Can understand traders staying till 5pm during the summer months but who in their right minds wants to stand on a very cold, draughty market during the winter months?
Two traders..Two different perspectives. The poster trader thinks its a good idea and the fruit and veg trader thinks its a bad idea. The reason....poster trader doesnt set up pitch till 1030am, wheras, the fruit trader is setting up at 3am. Poster trader will be doing a 6.5 hour day and fruit trader 14 hour day on market. Can understand traders staying till 5pm during the summer months but who in their right minds wants to stand on a very cold, draughty market during the winter months? keepitshut
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10:37am Wed 20 Feb 13

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

An extra hour in which I can buy my posters and magic tricks. Great.

The proposals do make for an extremely long day for fresh food traders... but York market lacks a critical mass: there aren't enough of them.

Look at Doncaster or Dewsbury or Barnsley and you'll see vibrant, busy, well-stocked markets (albeit not every day) offering a big range of fresh food stalls. What does York have? Two fish stalls (Doncaster has over a dozen), one meat (Barnsley has almost twenty) and a mere handful of fresh veg. It isn't enough - yet York is a city of (on paper) over 150,000 people. It doesn't help that its market is relatively inaccessible to most residents and is small, tucked away out of sight.

Fresh food needs to be sold early in the day, and a market will be worthwhile if it attracts enough customers with the range of products it sells. York market just isn't big enough - if you can get in to find it.

The clothing and practical items on sale have a steady customer base but none of us 'needs' posters and magic tricks.
An extra hour in which I can buy my posters and magic tricks. Great. The proposals do make for an extremely long day for fresh food traders... but York market lacks a critical mass: there aren't enough of them. Look at Doncaster or Dewsbury or Barnsley and you'll see vibrant, busy, well-stocked markets (albeit not every day) offering a big range of fresh food stalls. What does York have? Two fish stalls (Doncaster has over a dozen), one meat (Barnsley has almost twenty) and a mere handful of fresh veg. It isn't enough - yet York is a city of (on paper) over 150,000 people. It doesn't help that its market is relatively inaccessible to most residents and is small, tucked away out of sight. Fresh food needs to be sold early in the day, and a market will be worthwhile if it attracts enough customers with the range of products it sells. York market just isn't big enough - if you can get in to find it. The clothing and practical items on sale have a steady customer base but none of us 'needs' posters and magic tricks. Ignatius Lumpopo
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10:49am Wed 20 Feb 13

Oncebitten says...

The postion of this market is well outdated....cost of car/bus into a city centre in the 21st century to buy veg,meat or the odd magic trick just isn't going to make the market appealing.

So whether there are more stalls or not some serious thought about the markets long term location needs to happen to ensure its survival at all.
The postion of this market is well outdated....cost of car/bus into a city centre in the 21st century to buy veg,meat or the odd magic trick just isn't going to make the market appealing. So whether there are more stalls or not some serious thought about the markets long term location needs to happen to ensure its survival at all. Oncebitten
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12:51pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Buzz Light-year says...

Never mind the market traders (some of whom do as they please with their vans anyway)
What about the hundreds of delivery and service vehicles? Compact the already short available times and there will be chaos. It's already pretty mad before 11 every day, imagine what it'll be like when the amount of vans and lorries is concentrated by this.
It's dangerous enough as it is.

No good having shops if they can't get the goods in to sell or tradesmen in to do essential repairs.
Never mind the market traders (some of whom do as they please with their vans anyway) What about the hundreds of delivery and service vehicles? Compact the already short available times and there will be chaos. It's already pretty mad before 11 every day, imagine what it'll be like when the amount of vans and lorries is concentrated by this. It's dangerous enough as it is. No good having shops if they can't get the goods in to sell or tradesmen in to do essential repairs. Buzz Light-year
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4:19pm Wed 20 Feb 13

keepitshut says...

One of the biggest problems "pre" footstreet hours is the amount of refuse vehicles trawling the streets.
CYC, Yorwaste, Biffa, Veolia, LWR, etc.
They stop to collect refuse/ empty those big bins and everything behind them grinds to a halt. Especially bad when they are doing Coney St.
I suggest they ban refuse vehicles from the city centre and let the delivery lads do there bit first. Let the shops get refuse out for 10am then when the bollards "go in" at 1030, let the refuse trucks in for an hour. All the refuse will be out for collection and they wouldnt be going "round and round" waiting for shops to open, the trucks wouldnt be stopping deliveries nor stopping the traffic flow.
One of the biggest problems "pre" footstreet hours is the amount of refuse vehicles trawling the streets. CYC, Yorwaste, Biffa, Veolia, LWR, etc. They stop to collect refuse/ empty those big bins and everything behind them grinds to a halt. Especially bad when they are doing Coney St. I suggest they ban refuse vehicles from the city centre and let the delivery lads do there bit first. Let the shops get refuse out for 10am then when the bollards "go in" at 1030, let the refuse trucks in for an hour. All the refuse will be out for collection and they wouldnt be going "round and round" waiting for shops to open, the trucks wouldnt be stopping deliveries nor stopping the traffic flow. keepitshut
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2:46am Thu 21 Feb 13

Magicman! says...

I've just had an idea... if a piccadilly shopping centre were to be built, encompassing every building from the bridge over the river foss right down to the Travelodge/Posternga
te on that side of the road and the old tram shed on the other side (with a bridge that has shops on it linking the two) with two or three floors of shops and a car park on the roof of either 1 or 2 floors, this would allow the Castle car park to close - so why not move the market to there? The piccadilyl shopping centre and revamped riverside area would have tourists wandering about so they'd see the market and have a look round, it'd be right opposite the park and ride bus stop for the 3, and is just a 5 minute walk from St Georges car park.... it's got to be 10 times more accessible to everybody than tucked away in a backstreet where tramps pi$$ in the corners and chavlings vandalise the stalls at night, and where there's no capacity to increase the number of stalls there.
I've just had an idea... if a piccadilly shopping centre were to be built, encompassing every building from the bridge over the river foss right down to the Travelodge/Posternga te on that side of the road and the old tram shed on the other side (with a bridge that has shops on it linking the two) with two or three floors of shops and a car park on the roof of either 1 or 2 floors, this would allow the Castle car park to close - so why not move the market to there? The piccadilyl shopping centre and revamped riverside area would have tourists wandering about so they'd see the market and have a look round, it'd be right opposite the park and ride bus stop for the 3, and is just a 5 minute walk from St Georges car park.... it's got to be 10 times more accessible to everybody than tucked away in a backstreet where tramps pi$$ in the corners and chavlings vandalise the stalls at night, and where there's no capacity to increase the number of stalls there. Magicman!
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