New city centre footstreet times to begin in York from March 18

A DECISION to make York’s streets free of cars for longer will come into effect next month, a letter to city centre properties has announced.

The hours when the city’s footstreet rules apply and vehicles are restricted will be extended for ten and a half hours a week as part of an 18-month experiment to keep shoppers and pedestrians safe, City of York Council has said.

Under the plans, cars will not be allowed access to Davygate for most of the day and footstreet hours will be standardised to apply between 10.30am and 5pm every day from March 18.

The plans were given the go-ahead by cabinet late last year despite criticism from disability groups, as green-badge holders will not be allowed access to Davygate during these times.

In a letter to city-centre properties, Alistair Briggs, traffic network manager for City of York Council, said: “While I appreciate these changes may initially create some disruption and inconvenience to your current routine, I hope that in a short while the improvements aimed for will also benefit you.

“In order to try to minimise disruption during the first few days of the change-over, I should be grateful if you could ensure these changes are made known to regular visitors, staff, etc and your suppliers so they can consider changes to their delivery schedules if necessary.”

Access into St Sampson’s Square for green-badge holders (drivers considered to have the highest level of disability), will only be from the Goodramgate direction during footstreet hours.

The one-way traffic flow around St Sampson’s Square will also be reversed.

Mr Briggs said those who would like to make any representations about the proposal for the first six months of the trial, from March 18, should email him at highway.regulation@york.gov.uk or write to Network Management, Directorate of City and Environmental Services West Offices, Station Rise, York, YO1 6GA.

Frank Wood, chairman of the York Retail Forum, said: “When it gets to 4pm, it tends to mean it’s the end of the trading day, because trade just falls away.

“Any expansion to the trading day is certainly welcome. We are in favour of it.

“We have problems with deliveries in York anyway, with narrow streets and large trucks, but the priority is trade.

“There are bound to be teething problems, people coming in not realising the hours have changed, so presumably there will be a little leeway where that’s concerned, but hopefully it will encourage trade and make shopping experience in York a lot better than it is now.”

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9:25am Tue 19 Feb 13

BL2 says...

I heard a rumour that this all started because one councillor was walking down there and "didn't like all the vans in the street"...
I heard a rumour that this all started because one councillor was walking down there and "didn't like all the vans in the street"... BL2
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9:29am Tue 19 Feb 13

amike says...

Will this also affect those market traders who regularly drive their vans down Goodramgate at 3.30pm inthe afternoon?
Will this also affect those market traders who regularly drive their vans down Goodramgate at 3.30pm inthe afternoon? amike
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9:29am Tue 19 Feb 13

bob the builder says...

BL2 wrote:
I heard a rumour that this all started because one councillor was walking down there and "didn't like all the vans in the street"...
... I can believe that, a Labour one to boot... the first to kick down the working man!
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: I heard a rumour that this all started because one councillor was walking down there and "didn't like all the vans in the street"...[/p][/quote]... I can believe that, a Labour one to boot... the first to kick down the working man! bob the builder
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9:44am Tue 19 Feb 13

again says...

bob the builder wrote:
BL2 wrote:
I heard a rumour that this all started because one councillor was walking down there and "didn't like all the vans in the street"...
... I can believe that, a Labour one to boot... the first to kick down the working man!
You have too much time on here to be a working man!
[quote][p][bold]bob the builder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: I heard a rumour that this all started because one councillor was walking down there and "didn't like all the vans in the street"...[/p][/quote]... I can believe that, a Labour one to boot... the first to kick down the working man![/p][/quote]You have too much time on here to be a working man! again
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10:01am Tue 19 Feb 13

Woody G Mellor says...

again wrote:
bob the builder wrote:
BL2 wrote:
I heard a rumour that this all started because one councillor was walking down there and "didn't like all the vans in the street"...
... I can believe that, a Labour one to boot... the first to kick down the working man!
You have too much time on here to be a working man!
Agreed. No way is Bob a builder or any type of manual labourer.
[quote][p][bold]again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bob the builder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: I heard a rumour that this all started because one councillor was walking down there and "didn't like all the vans in the street"...[/p][/quote]... I can believe that, a Labour one to boot... the first to kick down the working man![/p][/quote]You have too much time on here to be a working man![/p][/quote]Agreed. No way is Bob a builder or any type of manual labourer. Woody G Mellor
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10:48am Tue 19 Feb 13

m dee says...

It will be chaos,they have not informed any of the disabled that use the area,they will all be channeled into Goodramgate.
It will be chaos,they have not informed any of the disabled that use the area,they will all be channeled into Goodramgate. m dee
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11:29am Tue 19 Feb 13

Q&E Man says...

Of course this only applies to cars cyclists will still be able to mow you down as and when they like!
Of course this only applies to cars cyclists will still be able to mow you down as and when they like! Q&E Man
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12:40pm Tue 19 Feb 13

pedalling paul says...

Q&E Man wrote:
Of course this only applies to cars cyclists will still be able to mow you down as and when they like!
The experimental Traffic Order will refer to "Vehicles" which includes cyclists. But if we are to spread the peak travel demand on on the City's road network, it might be sensible to subsequently trial an earlier pm start time for cyclists eg the present 4pm. That, together with the option given by many employers to work flexitime, would help to encourage a greater takeup of cycling to/from work.
[quote][p][bold]Q&E Man[/bold] wrote: Of course this only applies to cars cyclists will still be able to mow you down as and when they like![/p][/quote]The experimental Traffic Order will refer to "Vehicles" which includes cyclists. But if we are to spread the peak travel demand on on the City's road network, it might be sensible to subsequently trial an earlier pm start time for cyclists eg the present 4pm. That, together with the option given by many employers to work flexitime, would help to encourage a greater takeup of cycling to/from work. pedalling paul
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12:50pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Guy Fawkes says...

This is going to push the cost of deliveries to city centre businesses up, thereby pushing their prices up and driving more shoppers to Clifton Moor, Monks Cross etc.
This is going to push the cost of deliveries to city centre businesses up, thereby pushing their prices up and driving more shoppers to Clifton Moor, Monks Cross etc. Guy Fawkes
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3:45pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Capt. Dobie says...

What Guy Fawkes said...

...CYC MUST include a delivery waiver for shops so that business can receive deliveries and the companies supplying don't get slapped with a ticket.

Is that called 'business efficacy' or merely common sense..?
What Guy Fawkes said... ...CYC MUST include a delivery waiver for shops so that business can receive deliveries and the companies supplying don't get slapped with a ticket. Is that called 'business efficacy' or merely common sense..? Capt. Dobie
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10:09pm Tue 19 Feb 13

AnotherPointofView says...

Guy Fawkes wrote:
This is going to push the cost of deliveries to city centre businesses up, thereby pushing their prices up and driving more shoppers to Clifton Moor, Monks Cross etc.
Agreed GF.

When some shops don't open until 10.00 but (as a delivery driver) I have to be out by 10.30, it will chaos in town as everyone tries to deliver everywhere in such a short time.

As for the evening time of no entry into town until 5.00. Shops start to close at this time. Daft or what?

I presume this is a deliberate attempt to drive people to out of town centres.
[quote][p][bold]Guy Fawkes[/bold] wrote: This is going to push the cost of deliveries to city centre businesses up, thereby pushing their prices up and driving more shoppers to Clifton Moor, Monks Cross etc.[/p][/quote]Agreed GF. When some shops don't open until 10.00 but (as a delivery driver) I have to be out by 10.30, it will chaos in town as everyone tries to deliver everywhere in such a short time. As for the evening time of no entry into town until 5.00. Shops start to close at this time. Daft or what? I presume this is a deliberate attempt to drive people to out of town centres. AnotherPointofView
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3:04am Thu 21 Feb 13

Magicman! says...

BL2 wrote:
I heard a rumour that this all started because one councillor was walking down there and "didn't like all the vans in the street"...
Probably OCD perfectionist Ron Cooke, who seems to think everything is there just to 'clutter the streets' which thereby somehow "spoils the character of the city centre"!!
[quote][p][bold]BL2[/bold] wrote: I heard a rumour that this all started because one councillor was walking down there and "didn't like all the vans in the street"...[/p][/quote]Probably OCD perfectionist Ron Cooke, who seems to think everything is there just to 'clutter the streets' which thereby somehow "spoils the character of the city centre"!! Magicman!
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3:11am Thu 21 Feb 13

Magicman! says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
Guy Fawkes wrote:
This is going to push the cost of deliveries to city centre businesses up, thereby pushing their prices up and driving more shoppers to Clifton Moor, Monks Cross etc.
Agreed GF.

When some shops don't open until 10.00 but (as a delivery driver) I have to be out by 10.30, it will chaos in town as everyone tries to deliver everywhere in such a short time.

As for the evening time of no entry into town until 5.00. Shops start to close at this time. Daft or what?

I presume this is a deliberate attempt to drive people to out of town centres.
Quite possibly. A few simpler steps could have been taken instead.... such as preventing market traders from entering goodramgate beyond the cross keys anytime before 4pm, with ANPR present to ticket offenders with a £60 fine, and also have wardens patrolling the section of Goodramgate between the keys and monk bar so that vans are not allowed to form a line blocking that entire direction of the road (which currently makes it very dangerous for cyclists in either direction as they have to go round a blind bend on the wrong side of the road, or in the other direction on the right side but could meet a vehicle coming towards them on the wrong side trying to get past the line of vans)... also, enforce the current access policy with either a full width "dragons tooth" type bar in the road surface or a rising bollard that stays up during footstreet hours, but a post at the side would be fitted with optical character recognition software which would then be able to 'read' a suitable disabled person's badge and allow them access to the central area but keep out all the riff raff who use the centre as a shortcut or just to pick somebody up.
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Guy Fawkes[/bold] wrote: This is going to push the cost of deliveries to city centre businesses up, thereby pushing their prices up and driving more shoppers to Clifton Moor, Monks Cross etc.[/p][/quote]Agreed GF. When some shops don't open until 10.00 but (as a delivery driver) I have to be out by 10.30, it will chaos in town as everyone tries to deliver everywhere in such a short time. As for the evening time of no entry into town until 5.00. Shops start to close at this time. Daft or what? I presume this is a deliberate attempt to drive people to out of town centres.[/p][/quote]Quite possibly. A few simpler steps could have been taken instead.... such as preventing market traders from entering goodramgate beyond the cross keys anytime before 4pm, with ANPR present to ticket offenders with a £60 fine, and also have wardens patrolling the section of Goodramgate between the keys and monk bar so that vans are not allowed to form a line blocking that entire direction of the road (which currently makes it very dangerous for cyclists in either direction as they have to go round a blind bend on the wrong side of the road, or in the other direction on the right side but could meet a vehicle coming towards them on the wrong side trying to get past the line of vans)... also, enforce the current access policy with either a full width "dragons tooth" type bar in the road surface or a rising bollard that stays up during footstreet hours, but a post at the side would be fitted with optical character recognition software which would then be able to 'read' a suitable disabled person's badge and allow them access to the central area but keep out all the riff raff who use the centre as a shortcut or just to pick somebody up. Magicman!
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