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Old railway buildings cleared in preparation for York Central redevelopment (From York Press)
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Old railway buildings cleared in preparation for York Central redevelopment
8:16am Thursday 27th December 2012 in News
The bulldozers prepare to move in
GOING, going, gone… Another piece of York’s railway heritage bites the dust .. and Press reader Nathan Reynolds was on hand to record it.
The buildings you can see being demolished in these photographs are the former Jarvis/Fastline rail depot buildings at Leeman Road that started their lives more than 100 years ago as the Phoenix Foundry of the York Engineering Company.
The Phoenix Foundry had moved from the Fishergate area in the mid-1870s to Leeman Road at about the same time as the Albion Foundry moved from Monk Bar.
In 1882, the two businesses combined to form the York Engineering Company, which provided a wide range of cast- and wrought-iron items for the North Eastern Railway Company, including columns, girders, station roofs and railway bridges.
Eventually, the works were sold to the North Eastern Railway and were converted into maintenance workshops. Most recently, they were used by the Jarvis/Fastline group, which went into administration in 2010. They have been empty since then.
A spokesman for Network Rail said they had been demolished to “to improve visual appearance of the York Central Site and clear buildings that are in a poor state of repair” in preparation for any development of York Central.
Most of the demolition work took place in November and earlier this month.
Mr Reynolds, whose father and his colleagues worked in and around the depot for more than 30 years, and who himself did work experience there as a schoolboy 15 years ago, had permission to photograph the demolition process.
Mr Reynolds, who works for Network Rail, admits the demolition of the buildings left him saddened.
“York’s industrial heritage from the last 100-plus years has all but gone. I know the railways aren’t as romantic as chocolate factories but work should be done to preserve such places, not only for the heritage York owes them but also they could still play a role in the ongoing upkeep of Britain’s railways”
• You can see more of Nathan’s photos of the depot being demolished at: flickr.com/photos/kopex/sets/72157631194207786/
Comments(50)
again
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10:10am Thu 27 Dec 12
Far from a re-development project it now looks like a vandalised ruin. Even the clock face has a hole smashed in it.
pedalling paul
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11:49am Thu 27 Dec 12
capt spaulding wrote:I think you will find that CoYC are still actively working with local partners to attract likely developers for the York Central / Northwest project. But who in the present economic climate, can magic up large scale business confidence?
In preparation for any development of York central !
Not if C of Y Council Planning Prevention Dept have anything to do with it.
More at http://www.york.gov.
uk/environment/Plann
ing/Major_developmen
ts/York_northwest/
VladSchmidt
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12:01pm Thu 27 Dec 12
bagnall1928@yahoo.com
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1:56pm Thu 27 Dec 12
We cannot preserve everything but the good structures that have historical significance.
Streets such as the Shambles, Micklegate, Stonegate, Blossom Street,
Coney Street, the Market Place (the original one in the centre not the shambles one.) so many worthwhile places Goodramgate, petergate stonegate. York is full of such wonderful streets.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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7:28pm Thu 27 Dec 12
pedalling paul wrote:Define 'actively working' ? Do you mean marketing ?
capt spaulding wrote:I think you will find that CoYC are still actively working with local partners to attract likely developers for the York Central / Northwest project. But who in the present economic climate, can magic up large scale business confidence?
In preparation for any development of York central !
Not if C of Y Council Planning Prevention Dept have anything to do with it.
More at http://www.york.gov.
uk/environment/Plann
ing/Major_developmen
ts/York_northwest/
The biggest hurdle to overcome is viability and in the current economic climate the only two issues that can be addressed to de-risk and stimulate development are the removal of regulatory burden and the reduction of land values. To get this site moving, the land would need to be given away, all planning blackmail (S106) requirements removed and a big wedge of government subsidy and tax incentives offered. Without these, it will stay undeveloped for years, possibly decades to come.
ouseswimmer
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7:43pm Thu 27 Dec 12
Silver
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12:00am Fri 28 Dec 12
ouseswimmer wrote:Or they could do it Tokyo style and really cram them in.
I do hope they build lots of one bed units for cheap housing. Huge tower blocks would be great.
Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:01am Fri 28 Dec 12
Silver wrote:Even better do it Hong Kong style.
ouseswimmer wrote: I do hope they build lots of one bed units for cheap housing. Huge tower blocks would be great.Or they could do it Tokyo style and really cram them in.
All in good time, and because of UK immigration rates it is unavoidable, and is happening already in London.
Hoofarted
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8:44am Fri 28 Dec 12
This Museum could be called "BEFORE THATCHER!"
Paul Meoff
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10:25am Fri 28 Dec 12
Hoofarted wrote:Or better still the 'Before Thatcher Memorial Museum'
I think the site would make a superb museum. It could show all the old industries in depth that existed before Thatcher destroyed it. Redfern's glass factory, British Sugar factory, York Carriage works, The once Nationalised British Telecom, British Gas, National Electric board, and how about the once thriving mining industry. It would also be a good idea to reserve a section of the site for the NHS as well.
This Museum could be called "BEFORE THATCHER!"
roy_batty
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12:31pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Hoofarted wrote:over 1,000,000 engineering jobs also disappeared under the 13 years of labour... and hugh bayley as played a big part in the desruction of engineering jobs in York, he recently lied in the press about how hard he fought to get a recent train fitting out contract to York (he wrote a letter to adonis, that was is hard work), he lied about how the tories gift wrapped it to Agility trains, in fact it was labour in 2009 and lord adonis who gift wrapped it, by leaving out certain clauses that would safe guard english manufacturing...
I think the site would make a superb museum. It could show all the old industries in depth that existed before Thatcher destroyed it. Redfern's glass factory, British Sugar factory, York Carriage works, The once Nationalised British Telecom, British Gas, National Electric board, and how about the once thriving mining industry. It would also be a good idea to reserve a section of the site for the NHS as well. This Museum could be called "BEFORE THATCHER!"
thatcher started it, but labour carried on her work, phoney blair and gordon brown are as guilty as she! dont be fooled by new labour, are yiu really that blind and cant see the destruction of engineering in york during the 13 labour years? hugh bayley and the labour phonies on the council dont want blue collar jobs in York!
Ignatius Lumpopo
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1:09pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Paul Meoff wrote:Thatcher was only able to do this because she won the election. Not once. Not twice. Three times. People wanted her, more than anyone else, to be Prime Minister. So don't blame her: blame the Great British Unwash - er Public.
Hoofarted wrote:Or better still the 'Before Thatcher Memorial Museum'
I think the site would make a superb museum. It could show all the old industries in depth that existed before Thatcher destroyed it. Redfern's glass factory, British Sugar factory, York Carriage works, The once Nationalised British Telecom, British Gas, National Electric board, and how about the once thriving mining industry. It would also be a good idea to reserve a section of the site for the NHS as well.
This Museum could be called "BEFORE THATCHER!"
And Thatcher didn't privatise the railways: John Major did.
Perhaps you should see someone about this fixation problem.
YSTClinguist
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5:09pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Bad Tackerler
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5:42pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Paul Meoff
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5:48pm Fri 28 Dec 12
YSTClinguist wrote:I look forward to commuting on that ultra fast broadband. Will it be like a Star Trek transporter?
Will all the new housing be guaranteed to be affordable for our kids to live in, in the city where they grow up and are educated? Or is this going to be housing for the Southerners who come to live up here (and commute back down) when the A1 gets turned into a motorway and ultra fast broadband is put in?
Bad Tackerler
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6:12pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Hoofarted
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6:59pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Yes Thatcher was dearly loved. As disclosed today, Jimmy Saviles personal love letters to her clearly showed who loved her deeply and it paid of with a nice reward from her too. Arise Sir Paedo of Leeds!
I thought Thatcher only won 2 elections? One being the 1979 one and then 1983 on the back of deranged jingoism over the Falkland murders of our troops. Her own party knifed her and installed Mr Grey (John Major) who narrowly won the 3rd one.
Perhaps you should do some homework on political history
dctyke
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8:58am Sat 29 Dec 12
5:09pm Fri 28 Dec 12
Will all the new housing be guaranteed to be affordable for our kids to live in, in the city where they grow up and are educated? Or is this going to be housing for the Southerners who come to live up here (and commute back down) when the A1 gets turned into a motorway and ultra fast broadband is put in?”
And of course you would sell your house half price to a local 1st time buyer? House prices are what they are because of us. If this was adopted next to york station they would be soon sold on for a fast buck!
oi oi savaloy
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10:28am Sat 29 Dec 12
YSTClinguist wrote:the affordable housing will go to immigrants, and then 'our kids' will have to private rent!
Will all the new housing be guaranteed to be affordable for our kids to live in, in the city where they grow up and are educated? Or is this going to be housing for the Southerners who come to live up here (and commute back down) when the A1 gets turned into a motorway and ultra fast broadband is put in?
my daughter was told she didnt qualify by york city council for a council house, she was told she had to private rent and then they would pay her housing benefit! yet a polish girl in the same situation got a nice new council flat on heworth green, they then gave one to a turkish girl who lied about her situation , once in the flat , she moved her partner in!
but if you moan about it, you are branded a bogoted racist!
Bad Tackerler
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10:49am Sat 29 Dec 12
Once the old railway shed has gone York`s ability to attract rail work will be gone forever .
Bo Jolly
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12:51pm Sat 29 Dec 12
oi oi savaloy wrote:You are indeed a bogoted racist.
YSTClinguist wrote:the affordable housing will go to immigrants, and then 'our kids' will have to private rent!
Will all the new housing be guaranteed to be affordable for our kids to live in, in the city where they grow up and are educated? Or is this going to be housing for the Southerners who come to live up here (and commute back down) when the A1 gets turned into a motorway and ultra fast broadband is put in?
my daughter was told she didnt qualify by york city council for a council house, she was told she had to private rent and then they would pay her housing benefit! yet a polish girl in the same situation got a nice new council flat on heworth green, they then gave one to a turkish girl who lied about her situation , once in the flat , she moved her partner in!
but if you moan about it, you are branded a bogoted racist!
desmond tiblets
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1:02pm Sat 29 Dec 12
Bo Jolly wrote:A bigoted racist or someone who dares speak the truth about what is really happening?
oi oi savaloy wrote:You are indeed a bogoted racist.
YSTClinguist wrote:the affordable housing will go to immigrants, and then 'our kids' will have to private rent!
Will all the new housing be guaranteed to be affordable for our kids to live in, in the city where they grow up and are educated? Or is this going to be housing for the Southerners who come to live up here (and commute back down) when the A1 gets turned into a motorway and ultra fast broadband is put in?
my daughter was told she didnt qualify by york city council for a council house, she was told she had to private rent and then they would pay her housing benefit! yet a polish girl in the same situation got a nice new council flat on heworth green, they then gave one to a turkish girl who lied about her situation , once in the flat , she moved her partner in!
but if you moan about it, you are branded a bogoted racist!
Scarlet Pimpernel
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1:37pm Sat 29 Dec 12
The position needs changing.
Hoofarted
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1:51pm Sat 29 Dec 12
oi oi savaloy
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2:03pm Sat 29 Dec 12
Bo Jolly wrote:Ok bo jolly explain to me what was bigoted and racist in my post??
oi oi savaloy wrote:You are indeed a bogoted racist.
YSTClinguist wrote:the affordable housing will go to immigrants, and then 'our kids' will have to private rent!
Will all the new housing be guaranteed to be affordable for our kids to live in, in the city where they grow up and are educated? Or is this going to be housing for the Southerners who come to live up here (and commute back down) when the A1 gets turned into a motorway and ultra fast broadband is put in?
my daughter was told she didnt qualify by york city council for a council house, she was told she had to private rent and then they would pay her housing benefit! yet a polish girl in the same situation got a nice new council flat on heworth green, they then gave one to a turkish girl who lied about her situation , once in the flat , she moved her partner in!
but if you moan about it, you are branded a bogoted racist!
oi oi savaloy
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2:06pm Sat 29 Dec 12
oi oi savaloy wrote:Just spotted my typo .. Oops :D
Bo Jolly wrote:Ok bo jolly explain to me what was bigoted and racist in my post??
oi oi savaloy wrote:You are indeed a bogoted racist.
YSTClinguist wrote:the affordable housing will go to immigrants, and then 'our kids' will have to private rent!
Will all the new housing be guaranteed to be affordable for our kids to live in, in the city where they grow up and are educated? Or is this going to be housing for the Southerners who come to live up here (and commute back down) when the A1 gets turned into a motorway and ultra fast broadband is put in?
my daughter was told she didnt qualify by york city council for a council house, she was told she had to private rent and then they would pay her housing benefit! yet a polish girl in the same situation got a nice new council flat on heworth green, they then gave one to a turkish girl who lied about her situation , once in the flat , she moved her partner in!
but if you moan about it, you are branded a bogoted racist!
AnotherPointofView
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2:30pm Sat 29 Dec 12
Hoofarted wrote:If you checked YOUR facts, you would realise you're the numpty.
In response to: Ignatius Lumpopo Yes Thatcher was dearly loved. As disclosed today, Jimmy Saviles personal love letters to her clearly showed who loved her deeply and it paid of with a nice reward from her too. Arise Sir Paedo of Leeds! I thought Thatcher only won 2 elections? One being the 1979 one and then 1983 on the back of deranged jingoism over the Falkland murders of our troops. Her own party knifed her and installed Mr Grey (John Major) who narrowly won the 3rd one. Perhaps you should do some homework on political history
Margaret won in 1979, 1983 and 1987. John Major won in 1992.
Perhaps before spouting all that vitriol you should check your facts, Councillor.
AnotherPointofView
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2:35pm Sat 29 Dec 12
Hoofarted wrote:Further to my last comment, just who do you think you (as a member of the Labour party) are, making those comments about the Falklands War?
In response to: Ignatius Lumpopo Yes Thatcher was dearly loved. As disclosed today, Jimmy Saviles personal love letters to her clearly showed who loved her deeply and it paid of with a nice reward from her too. Arise Sir Paedo of Leeds! I thought Thatcher only won 2 elections? One being the 1979 one and then 1983 on the back of deranged jingoism over the Falkland murders of our troops. Her own party knifed her and installed Mr Grey (John Major) who narrowly won the 3rd one. Perhaps you should do some homework on political history
Which party took us into war in Iraq on some notion of WMD's. Now that was murder, on a much larger scale?
TERRIER3
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5:16pm Sat 29 Dec 12
desmond tiblets wrote:the guy who thinks your a bigoted racist is the dangerous one, yorkshire housing and jobs for yorkshire folk, any foriegners who dont like it know where the airports are
Bo Jolly wrote:A bigoted racist or someone who dares speak the truth about what is really happening?
oi oi savaloy wrote:You are indeed a bogoted racist.
YSTClinguist wrote:the affordable housing will go to immigrants, and then 'our kids' will have to private rent!
Will all the new housing be guaranteed to be affordable for our kids to live in, in the city where they grow up and are educated? Or is this going to be housing for the Southerners who come to live up here (and commute back down) when the A1 gets turned into a motorway and ultra fast broadband is put in?
my daughter was told she didnt qualify by york city council for a council house, she was told she had to private rent and then they would pay her housing benefit! yet a polish girl in the same situation got a nice new council flat on heworth green, they then gave one to a turkish girl who lied about her situation , once in the flat , she moved her partner in!
but if you moan about it, you are branded a bogoted racist!
Scarlet Pimpernel
says...
6:04pm Sat 29 Dec 12
Hoofarted wrote:Don't blame developers for bringing them here - they came of their own freewill, speculatively looking for work.
The allocation of social housing came later. Initially, the Polish and eastern European people came here purely because of property developers and other employers seeing them as a way of exploiting cheaper wage labour. They were used by a few property developers i know of to build their houses far cheaper than British workers. They were organized with temporary housing and advised how to apply for social housing by these property developers (who incidentally were staunch conservatives). The social housing issue came after the exploitation. So let's look at the demanding of supply rather than the agencies their to ensure "Humans" can live with a roof over their heads.
Don't blame developers for them applying for social housing either.
The allocation of social housing to immigrants has nothing to do with developers.
Scarlet Pimpernel
says...
6:06pm Sat 29 Dec 12
AnotherPointofView wrote:Who is this councillor ?
Hoofarted wrote:If you checked YOUR facts, you would realise you're the numpty.
In response to: Ignatius Lumpopo Yes Thatcher was dearly loved. As disclosed today, Jimmy Saviles personal love letters to her clearly showed who loved her deeply and it paid of with a nice reward from her too. Arise Sir Paedo of Leeds! I thought Thatcher only won 2 elections? One being the 1979 one and then 1983 on the back of deranged jingoism over the Falkland murders of our troops. Her own party knifed her and installed Mr Grey (John Major) who narrowly won the 3rd one. Perhaps you should do some homework on political history
Margaret won in 1979, 1983 and 1987. John Major won in 1992.
Perhaps before spouting all that vitriol you should check your facts, Councillor.
Thunderblade
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11:16pm Sun 30 Dec 12
Or alternatively, if not knockingthem down its closing EPH's before biulding replacements.
www.yorkstories.co.uk
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9:24am Mon 31 Dec 12
Bill Fawcett's lecture in January may also be of interest (details on that page).
I covered this demolition work some weeks ago on yorkstories.co.uk, and the buildings (as much as I could) a couple of times over recent years. Didn't have proper access to the site though. Have been following Nathan's photos with interest. It's great that his record of the buildings is freely available on the web.
Funnyian
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5:11pm Tue 1 Jan 13
Yorkie Girl
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2:21pm Wed 2 Jan 13
AnotherPointofView wrote:After a quick google, i think you're both right and wrong...
Hoofarted wrote: In response to: Ignatius Lumpopo Yes Thatcher was dearly loved. As disclosed today, Jimmy Saviles personal love letters to her clearly showed who loved her deeply and it paid of with a nice reward from her too. Arise Sir Paedo of Leeds! I thought Thatcher only won 2 elections? One being the 1979 one and then 1983 on the back of deranged jingoism over the Falkland murders of our troops. Her own party knifed her and installed Mr Grey (John Major) who narrowly won the 3rd one. Perhaps you should do some homework on political historyIf you checked YOUR facts, you would realise you're the numpty. Margaret won in 1979, 1983 and 1987. John Major won in 1992. Perhaps before spouting all that vitriol you should check your facts, Councillor.
Maggie T came into power in 1979, was re-elected in 1983, and 1987. however she had to resign after her pulling the population to their knees with her taxes etc and John Major took over in 1990, and was elected in '92.
i think the fact of the matter is, no previous PMs have done the UK, or Yorks industries any good!
yorkispants
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5:20pm Wed 2 Jan 13
when the time came for them to live in the real world without huge government subsides they couldn't do it.
in the 1980's they openly boasted 'DON'T DO TODAY WHAT 4 OF YOU CAN DO TOMORROW'
desmond tiblets
says...
8:20pm Wed 2 Jan 13
yorkispants wrote:****
york carriage works had the best tradesmen in their chosen field be it sparkys plumbers painters joiners fitters etc. the problem was they were all without exception lazy bast@~?s FACT.
when the time came for them to live in the real world without huge government subsides they couldn't do it.
in the 1980's they openly boasted 'DON'T DO TODAY WHAT 4 OF YOU CAN DO TOMORROW'
oi oi savaloy
says...
9:12pm Wed 2 Jan 13
yorkispants wrote:Obviously a bitter and twisted person who failed the entrance exam at the training school...
york carriage works had the best tradesmen in their chosen field be it sparkys plumbers painters joiners fitters etc. the problem was they were all without exception lazy bast@~?s FACT.
when the time came for them to live in the real world without huge government subsides they couldn't do it.
in the 1980's they openly boasted 'DON'T DO TODAY WHAT 4 OF YOU CAN DO TOMORROW'
desmond tiblets
says...
9:18pm Wed 2 Jan 13
oi oi savaloy wrote:Ha ha.well said.And let's face it there are few I've met in my working life,all of them bitter and twisted about there rejection.
yorkispants wrote:Obviously a bitter and twisted person who failed the entrance exam at the training school...
york carriage works had the best tradesmen in their chosen field be it sparkys plumbers painters joiners fitters etc. the problem was they were all without exception lazy bast@~?s FACT.
when the time came for them to live in the real world without huge government subsides they couldn't do it.
in the 1980's they openly boasted 'DON'T DO TODAY WHAT 4 OF YOU CAN DO TOMORROW'
meme
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10:48am Thu 3 Jan 13
I suspect this was more about avoiding empty rates burdens than new development
Bad Tackerler
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12:52pm Sat 5 Jan 13
A few of em that are still left are now working back in York fitting out coal wagons .
Bad Tackerler
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1:14pm Sat 5 Jan 13
Develop this site for rail industry/engineering . There is so much work coming off soon . York could be back at the for front of industry once again
oi oi savaloy
says...
2:21pm Sat 5 Jan 13
Bad Tackerler wrote:You mate have got it right! I know lots of people who went on from the carriageworks into other railway jobs and lots went on to other companies and are still working, I don't know any ex shed people who are unemployed!
Still think it`s wrong to develop a site for more shops and no doubt pubs / pizza hut ect . We` ve got Monks Cross /Clifton Moor for this .
Develop this site for rail industry/engineering . There is so much work coming off soon . York could be back at the for front of industry once again
But am afraid Hugh bayley and the labour run council don't want engineering jobs in York , they want shop work and tourism! Hugh bayley had the chance in 2009 when labour were in power to bring train making back to York , he did nothing! This work is now about 60 miles up the road nr Darlington !
Don't be fooled by Hugh bayley and his false labour cronies on York council !
Bad Tackerler
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10:55am Sun 6 Jan 13
What a travesty ! Shame on the power` s
that be . Retail instead of engineering .
Bad Tackerler
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4:43pm Mon 7 Jan 13
There is going to be a new high speed train route to Birmingham and then possible to Leeds .
Here`s a suggestion for the power`s that be . Why not invest in the future and not for a quick buck by attracting the rail industry back to York by developing the site for the massive amount of work that will be generated by this project .
Bad Tackerler
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4:47pm Mon 7 Jan 13
alan_music
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3:41pm Sun 13 Jan 13
pedalling paul wrote:haha seems "Meddling Paul" has not had the experience of the grade A Customer Service and lack of people skills the idiots at COYC seem to have, brain dead morons half of them, a clear clear case of the wheel is spinning but the hamster is dead!!!
capt spaulding wrote: In preparation for any development of York central ! Not if C of Y Council Planning Prevention Dept have anything to do with it.I think you will find that CoYC are still actively working with local partners to attract likely developers for the York Central / Northwest project. But who in the present economic climate, can magic up large scale business confidence? More at http://www.york.gov. uk/environment/Plann ing/Major_developmen ts/York_northwest/
alan_music
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3:45pm Sun 13 Jan 13
oi oi savaloy wrote:quite right, its disgusting that the majority of us "British" folk get cast away to rent private property, that we cant afford (trust me coyc did it to me also told me me and my wife and kid were not entitled to a council property)
YSTClinguist wrote: Will all the new housing be guaranteed to be affordable for our kids to live in, in the city where they grow up and are educated? Or is this going to be housing for the Southerners who come to live up here (and commute back down) when the A1 gets turned into a motorway and ultra fast broadband is put in?the affordable housing will go to immigrants, and then 'our kids' will have to private rent! my daughter was told she didnt qualify by york city council for a council house, she was told she had to private rent and then they would pay her housing benefit! yet a polish girl in the same situation got a nice new council flat on heworth green, they then gave one to a turkish girl who lied about her situation , once in the flat , she moved her partner in! but if you moan about it, you are branded a bogoted racist!
but the immigrants get a cushy council property, with all their bills paid finacial help from COYC and the goverment, I think its time someone did something about it
Yours A Bigotist Racist!
Garrowby Turnoff
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12:30pm Mon 14 Jan 13
National pride is one thing but tolerance of Fascists, jingoists and neo-Nazis is dangerous. As long as we remember the lessons learned from history it's possible to have hope for the future. Forget them at our peril.
capt spaulding says...
9:34am Thu 27 Dec 12
Not if C of Y Council Planning Prevention Dept have anything to do with it.