Foss barrier set to save York homes from flooding

York Press: Colin Atkinson, of the Environment Agency, at the Foss Barrier Colin Atkinson, of the Environment Agency, at the Foss Barrier

IT’S York’s biggest “garage door” – and it’s set to save Christmas for thousands of York homes and businesses. It’s the Foss Barrier, on which work started 25 years ago. Mike Laycock reports

AT 9.30pm on Thursday evening, Paul Maw keyed in a password to a computer and a 16.5 tonne barrier slowly slid down like a giant garage door to block the River Foss at its confluence with the River Ouse.

Then a series of mighty pumps began pumping water out of the Foss into the Ouse at the rate of up to 30 tonnes of water per second.

For the sixth time in this wettest of years, the Foss Barrier and pumping station had swung into action, prompted by the Ouse’s rise to more than 2.8 metres above normal summer levels.

With more heavy rain predicted today and in coming days, the Environment Agency’s complex looks set to prevent Christmas being ruined for hundreds – maybe thousands – of households by the misery and devastation of flooding from the River Foss, Tang Hall Beck and Osbaldwick Beck.

Paul, a barrier operator, says that until the barrier was built in the late 1980s, more properties in York used to be flooded by the Foss and the two becks than by the Ouse. The problem was that floodwater from the Ouse used to surge up the already-swollen Foss and becks, causing them to overtop their banks.

The £3.34 million barrier project, which started in 1987, is an engineering marvel which has solved that problem time and again, most dramatically in November 2000 when the Ouse reached its highest levels in centuries and the pumps had to run for ten consecutive days. It was again of vital importance in September this year, when river levels were only half a metre lower and the pumps ran for almost a week. Colin Atkinson, a senior emergency planning advisor for the agency, says the pumping station would still work even if the area was hit by a massive power cut. Two huge diesel-powered generators at the heart of the complex can create enough electricity to power four of the eight pumps.

Paul stresses that while the pumps’ capacity is huge, the extra water pumped into the Ouse is still only a fraction of the total flow of 300 tonnes a second, and therefore cause Ouse floodwaters only to rise by a centimetre or so.

When the pumps are operating, someone must be on site at all times, and so Paul and agency colleagues, including Richard Boaz and Ian Westmoreland, are now resigned to coming in on an emergency rota over the Christmas period to help keep York flood-free.

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9:26am Sat 22 Dec 12

Mister Sheen says...

I live near the Foss so...........thanks lads, and merry Christmas!
I live near the Foss so...........thanks lads, and merry Christmas! Mister Sheen

9:59am Sat 22 Dec 12

pedalling paul says...

Thankfully all eight pumps seem to be working at startup, on this occasion. The water level was still noticeably high, when I pedalled over Skeldergate bridge yesterday evening.
Thankfully all eight pumps seem to be working at startup, on this occasion. The water level was still noticeably high, when I pedalled over Skeldergate bridge yesterday evening. pedalling paul

12:43pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Blimp says...

Brilliant, love it! More please.

(And while we're at it, Happy Christmas to Ignatus and Woody and all the other posters out there who've kept us entertained in 2012!)
Brilliant, love it! More please. (And while we're at it, Happy Christmas to Ignatus and Woody and all the other posters out there who've kept us entertained in 2012!) Blimp

12:45pm Sat 22 Dec 12

barneyrubble82 says...

nice to see that this is all up and running, and saving some people from the misery of flooding, shame we still dont dredge the rivers out any more, im sure this would make a massive difference!!!
nice to see that this is all up and running, and saving some people from the misery of flooding, shame we still dont dredge the rivers out any more, im sure this would make a massive difference!!! barneyrubble82

4:15pm Sat 22 Dec 12

robert321 says...

If the lock gates at Naburn were replaced with sliding gates, like miniature Foss barriers the whole locks could be wide open and allow a huge amount of water through, surely that is a workable idea that would have a significant effect
If the lock gates at Naburn were replaced with sliding gates, like miniature Foss barriers the whole locks could be wide open and allow a huge amount of water through, surely that is a workable idea that would have a significant effect robert321

4:16pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Rich Tea says...

In 2000 I stood and watched in amazement at the barrier. Down below in the Foss basin there was a guy dragging trees out of the pump intakes. The Ouze was some 25 feet above him on the other side of a brick wall. Surely one of our unsung heroes and an image that will stay with me and inspire me when I'm in "difficult" times. Merry Xmas and well done all you folks working over the festive period.
In 2000 I stood and watched in amazement at the barrier. Down below in the Foss basin there was a guy dragging trees out of the pump intakes. The Ouze was some 25 feet above him on the other side of a brick wall. Surely one of our unsung heroes and an image that will stay with me and inspire me when I'm in "difficult" times. Merry Xmas and well done all you folks working over the festive period. Rich Tea

7:15pm Sat 22 Dec 12

ReginaldBiscuit says...

I read a report the other week in the Guardian environment section which made for some grim reading indeed. The basics of this report said polar ice melting in record amounts, glaciers melting in record amounts, global coal (worst fossil fuel) to be used more in record amounts for power generating loads more CO2 (last year was a record year for pumping CO2 into the atmosphere) and finally, sea levels rising to record amounts.

Now, anyone who knows anything about the water-cycle, evaporation and weather systems will have surmised (with good reason) that there must be some sort of consequence ergo the point of what I read. More water will go into the clouds, more water must fall from the clouds. Basically, flooding is going to be a part of everyone's life for generations to come. The almost bi-monthly flooding events seen this year are here to stay and will most probably become worse in their strength and ferocity.

Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests. This shapes the future with grave consequences. As much as the global impasse with finance runs without a fix, so it would appear, does the weather.
I read a report the other week in the Guardian environment section which made for some grim reading indeed. The basics of this report said polar ice melting in record amounts, glaciers melting in record amounts, global coal (worst fossil fuel) to be used more in record amounts for power generating loads more CO2 (last year was a record year for pumping CO2 into the atmosphere) and finally, sea levels rising to record amounts. Now, anyone who knows anything about the water-cycle, evaporation and weather systems will have surmised (with good reason) that there must be some sort of consequence ergo the point of what I read. More water will go into the clouds, more water must fall from the clouds. Basically, flooding is going to be a part of everyone's life for generations to come. The almost bi-monthly flooding events seen this year are here to stay and will most probably become worse in their strength and ferocity. Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests. This shapes the future with grave consequences. As much as the global impasse with finance runs without a fix, so it would appear, does the weather. ReginaldBiscuit

7:45pm Sat 22 Dec 12

capt spaulding says...

robert321 wrote:
If the lock gates at Naburn were replaced with sliding gates, like miniature Foss barriers the whole locks could be wide open and allow a huge amount of water through, surely that is a workable idea that would have a significant effect
And if we had King Canute to sit there as well ? No not possible.
What about James Alexander then.
They tell me he can walk on water.
[quote][p][bold]robert321[/bold] wrote: If the lock gates at Naburn were replaced with sliding gates, like miniature Foss barriers the whole locks could be wide open and allow a huge amount of water through, surely that is a workable idea that would have a significant effect[/p][/quote]And if we had King Canute to sit there as well ? No not possible. What about James Alexander then. They tell me he can walk on water. capt spaulding

11:45pm Sat 22 Dec 12

charliewalker says...

@Robert321

One problem, when the Ouse is as high as it is, the locks are actually underwater, and the weir is submerged so this wouldn't work unfortunately.
@Robert321 One problem, when the Ouse is as high as it is, the locks are actually underwater, and the weir is submerged so this wouldn't work unfortunately. charliewalker

4:06am Sun 23 Dec 12

Magicman! says...

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
I read a report the other week in the Guardian environment section which made for some grim reading indeed. The basics of this report said polar ice melting in record amounts, glaciers melting in record amounts, global coal (worst fossil fuel) to be used more in record amounts for power generating loads more CO2 (last year was a record year for pumping CO2 into the atmosphere) and finally, sea levels rising to record amounts.

Now, anyone who knows anything about the water-cycle, evaporation and weather systems will have surmised (with good reason) that there must be some sort of consequence ergo the point of what I read. More water will go into the clouds, more water must fall from the clouds. Basically, flooding is going to be a part of everyone's life for generations to come. The almost bi-monthly flooding events seen this year are here to stay and will most probably become worse in their strength and ferocity.

Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests. This shapes the future with grave consequences. As much as the global impasse with finance runs without a fix, so it would appear, does the weather.
And the research I've done shows a facility in Alaska which is sending a high intensity radio frequency beam into the atmosphere in order to reverse the direction of energy transfer in the earths' magnetic field and also to increase the depth of atmosphere over the USA to protect them against ICBM's from China. This facility building was completed and thus became operational in 2007... which goes hand in hand with recent findings from scientists in Sheffield who have found the Jet Stream (a high altitude high speed wind that controls our weather systems) has become more wavy within the last 5-6 years, which leads to weather systems becoming "stuck" as it were... which correlates to a statement by the main professor of this project in Alaska, who stated a side effect would be that the Jet Stream's shape could become warped and lead to weather patterns becoming stuck for prolonged periods of time.

The simple fact that not a single TV programme or report even briefly mentions this place is suspicious enough, let alone how all the jigsaw pieces seem to fit together.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if I knew how to do it officially, I would lay down an official challenge to the USA Government to shut down this facility from early March until late October to see what happens, with an independant invigilator on scene to make sure nothing background is still going on... then if we get a good summer we know it's not climate change but just this facility screwing around with out weather (which would therefore make the american government liable to reimburse our country for all the damaged crops and houses etc due to flooding); but if we have another summer like we have this year or worse then we'd know that facility has nothing to do with it.
[quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote: I read a report the other week in the Guardian environment section which made for some grim reading indeed. The basics of this report said polar ice melting in record amounts, glaciers melting in record amounts, global coal (worst fossil fuel) to be used more in record amounts for power generating loads more CO2 (last year was a record year for pumping CO2 into the atmosphere) and finally, sea levels rising to record amounts. Now, anyone who knows anything about the water-cycle, evaporation and weather systems will have surmised (with good reason) that there must be some sort of consequence ergo the point of what I read. More water will go into the clouds, more water must fall from the clouds. Basically, flooding is going to be a part of everyone's life for generations to come. The almost bi-monthly flooding events seen this year are here to stay and will most probably become worse in their strength and ferocity. Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests. This shapes the future with grave consequences. As much as the global impasse with finance runs without a fix, so it would appear, does the weather.[/p][/quote]And the research I've done shows a facility in Alaska which is sending a high intensity radio frequency beam into the atmosphere in order to reverse the direction of energy transfer in the earths' magnetic field and also to increase the depth of atmosphere over the USA to protect them against ICBM's from China. This facility building was completed and thus became operational in 2007... which goes hand in hand with recent findings from scientists in Sheffield who have found the Jet Stream (a high altitude high speed wind that controls our weather systems) has become more wavy within the last 5-6 years, which leads to weather systems becoming "stuck" as it were... which correlates to a statement by the main professor of this project in Alaska, who stated a side effect would be that the Jet Stream's shape could become warped and lead to weather patterns becoming stuck for prolonged periods of time. The simple fact that not a single TV programme or report even briefly mentions this place is suspicious enough, let alone how all the jigsaw pieces seem to fit together. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if I knew how to do it officially, I would lay down an official challenge to the USA Government to shut down this facility from early March until late October to see what happens, with an independant invigilator on scene to make sure nothing background is still going on... then if we get a good summer we know it's not climate change but just this facility screwing around with out weather (which would therefore make the american government liable to reimburse our country for all the damaged crops and houses etc due to flooding); but if we have another summer like we have this year or worse then we'd know that facility has nothing to do with it. Magicman!

4:07am Sun 23 Dec 12

Magicman! says...

The Foss Barrier is one of those things I always admired right from being a kid (of course back then it was brand new). Didn't know how it worked back then, but now I do and so I have a new appreciation for it.
The Foss Barrier is one of those things I always admired right from being a kid (of course back then it was brand new). Didn't know how it worked back then, but now I do and so I have a new appreciation for it. Magicman!

7:09am Sun 23 Dec 12

ReginaldBiscuit says...

Magicman! wrote:
ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
I read a report the other week in the Guardian environment section which made for some grim reading indeed. The basics of this report said polar ice melting in record amounts, glaciers melting in record amounts, global coal (worst fossil fuel) to be used more in record amounts for power generating loads more CO2 (last year was a record year for pumping CO2 into the atmosphere) and finally, sea levels rising to record amounts.

Now, anyone who knows anything about the water-cycle, evaporation and weather systems will have surmised (with good reason) that there must be some sort of consequence ergo the point of what I read. More water will go into the clouds, more water must fall from the clouds. Basically, flooding is going to be a part of everyone's life for generations to come. The almost bi-monthly flooding events seen this year are here to stay and will most probably become worse in their strength and ferocity.

Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests. This shapes the future with grave consequences. As much as the global impasse with finance runs without a fix, so it would appear, does the weather.
And the research I've done shows a facility in Alaska which is sending a high intensity radio frequency beam into the atmosphere in order to reverse the direction of energy transfer in the earths' magnetic field and also to increase the depth of atmosphere over the USA to protect them against ICBM's from China. This facility building was completed and thus became operational in 2007... which goes hand in hand with recent findings from scientists in Sheffield who have found the Jet Stream (a high altitude high speed wind that controls our weather systems) has become more wavy within the last 5-6 years, which leads to weather systems becoming "stuck" as it were... which correlates to a statement by the main professor of this project in Alaska, who stated a side effect would be that the Jet Stream's shape could become warped and lead to weather patterns becoming stuck for prolonged periods of time.

The simple fact that not a single TV programme or report even briefly mentions this place is suspicious enough, let alone how all the jigsaw pieces seem to fit together.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if I knew how to do it officially, I would lay down an official challenge to the USA Government to shut down this facility from early March until late October to see what happens, with an independant invigilator on scene to make sure nothing background is still going on... then if we get a good summer we know it's not climate change but just this facility screwing around with out weather (which would therefore make the american government liable to reimburse our country for all the damaged crops and houses etc due to flooding); but if we have another summer like we have this year or worse then we'd know that facility has nothing to do with it.
Fascinating. If what you're saying is true - I have no reason to doubt it - then it's absolutely scandalous that the US government is allowed to operate this facility. What is the name of this place?

The Americans have a great track record at ignoring climate causality when it comes to there own well-being and interests.

I don't know if you remember but when 9/11 happened, all the grounded air-traffic across the states meant that the temperature rose 1.5C because planes weren't polluting the skies with their reflecting trails. Think that's what it was anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote: I read a report the other week in the Guardian environment section which made for some grim reading indeed. The basics of this report said polar ice melting in record amounts, glaciers melting in record amounts, global coal (worst fossil fuel) to be used more in record amounts for power generating loads more CO2 (last year was a record year for pumping CO2 into the atmosphere) and finally, sea levels rising to record amounts. Now, anyone who knows anything about the water-cycle, evaporation and weather systems will have surmised (with good reason) that there must be some sort of consequence ergo the point of what I read. More water will go into the clouds, more water must fall from the clouds. Basically, flooding is going to be a part of everyone's life for generations to come. The almost bi-monthly flooding events seen this year are here to stay and will most probably become worse in their strength and ferocity. Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests. This shapes the future with grave consequences. As much as the global impasse with finance runs without a fix, so it would appear, does the weather.[/p][/quote]And the research I've done shows a facility in Alaska which is sending a high intensity radio frequency beam into the atmosphere in order to reverse the direction of energy transfer in the earths' magnetic field and also to increase the depth of atmosphere over the USA to protect them against ICBM's from China. This facility building was completed and thus became operational in 2007... which goes hand in hand with recent findings from scientists in Sheffield who have found the Jet Stream (a high altitude high speed wind that controls our weather systems) has become more wavy within the last 5-6 years, which leads to weather systems becoming "stuck" as it were... which correlates to a statement by the main professor of this project in Alaska, who stated a side effect would be that the Jet Stream's shape could become warped and lead to weather patterns becoming stuck for prolonged periods of time. The simple fact that not a single TV programme or report even briefly mentions this place is suspicious enough, let alone how all the jigsaw pieces seem to fit together. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if I knew how to do it officially, I would lay down an official challenge to the USA Government to shut down this facility from early March until late October to see what happens, with an independant invigilator on scene to make sure nothing background is still going on... then if we get a good summer we know it's not climate change but just this facility screwing around with out weather (which would therefore make the american government liable to reimburse our country for all the damaged crops and houses etc due to flooding); but if we have another summer like we have this year or worse then we'd know that facility has nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]Fascinating. If what you're saying is true - I have no reason to doubt it - then it's absolutely scandalous that the US government is allowed to operate this facility. What is the name of this place? The Americans have a great track record at ignoring climate causality when it comes to there own well-being and interests. I don't know if you remember but when 9/11 happened, all the grounded air-traffic across the states meant that the temperature rose 1.5C because planes weren't polluting the skies with their reflecting trails. Think that's what it was anyway. ReginaldBiscuit

2:44pm Sun 23 Dec 12

Paul Meoff says...

ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
Magicman! wrote:
ReginaldBiscuit wrote:
I read a report the other week in the Guardian environment section which made for some grim reading indeed. The basics of this report said polar ice melting in record amounts, glaciers melting in record amounts, global coal (worst fossil fuel) to be used more in record amounts for power generating loads more CO2 (last year was a record year for pumping CO2 into the atmosphere) and finally, sea levels rising to record amounts.

Now, anyone who knows anything about the water-cycle, evaporation and weather systems will have surmised (with good reason) that there must be some sort of consequence ergo the point of what I read. More water will go into the clouds, more water must fall from the clouds. Basically, flooding is going to be a part of everyone's life for generations to come. The almost bi-monthly flooding events seen this year are here to stay and will most probably become worse in their strength and ferocity.

Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests. This shapes the future with grave consequences. As much as the global impasse with finance runs without a fix, so it would appear, does the weather.
And the research I've done shows a facility in Alaska which is sending a high intensity radio frequency beam into the atmosphere in order to reverse the direction of energy transfer in the earths' magnetic field and also to increase the depth of atmosphere over the USA to protect them against ICBM's from China. This facility building was completed and thus became operational in 2007... which goes hand in hand with recent findings from scientists in Sheffield who have found the Jet Stream (a high altitude high speed wind that controls our weather systems) has become more wavy within the last 5-6 years, which leads to weather systems becoming "stuck" as it were... which correlates to a statement by the main professor of this project in Alaska, who stated a side effect would be that the Jet Stream's shape could become warped and lead to weather patterns becoming stuck for prolonged periods of time.

The simple fact that not a single TV programme or report even briefly mentions this place is suspicious enough, let alone how all the jigsaw pieces seem to fit together.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: if I knew how to do it officially, I would lay down an official challenge to the USA Government to shut down this facility from early March until late October to see what happens, with an independant invigilator on scene to make sure nothing background is still going on... then if we get a good summer we know it's not climate change but just this facility screwing around with out weather (which would therefore make the american government liable to reimburse our country for all the damaged crops and houses etc due to flooding); but if we have another summer like we have this year or worse then we'd know that facility has nothing to do with it.
Fascinating. If what you're saying is true - I have no reason to doubt it - then it's absolutely scandalous that the US government is allowed to operate this facility. What is the name of this place?

The Americans have a great track record at ignoring climate causality when it comes to there own well-being and interests.

I don't know if you remember but when 9/11 happened, all the grounded air-traffic across the states meant that the temperature rose 1.5C because planes weren't polluting the skies with their reflecting trails. Think that's what it was anyway.
The facility is in a small town called Figment within the province of Imagination.
[quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReginaldBiscuit[/bold] wrote: I read a report the other week in the Guardian environment section which made for some grim reading indeed. The basics of this report said polar ice melting in record amounts, glaciers melting in record amounts, global coal (worst fossil fuel) to be used more in record amounts for power generating loads more CO2 (last year was a record year for pumping CO2 into the atmosphere) and finally, sea levels rising to record amounts. Now, anyone who knows anything about the water-cycle, evaporation and weather systems will have surmised (with good reason) that there must be some sort of consequence ergo the point of what I read. More water will go into the clouds, more water must fall from the clouds. Basically, flooding is going to be a part of everyone's life for generations to come. The almost bi-monthly flooding events seen this year are here to stay and will most probably become worse in their strength and ferocity. Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests. This shapes the future with grave consequences. As much as the global impasse with finance runs without a fix, so it would appear, does the weather.[/p][/quote]And the research I've done shows a facility in Alaska which is sending a high intensity radio frequency beam into the atmosphere in order to reverse the direction of energy transfer in the earths' magnetic field and also to increase the depth of atmosphere over the USA to protect them against ICBM's from China. This facility building was completed and thus became operational in 2007... which goes hand in hand with recent findings from scientists in Sheffield who have found the Jet Stream (a high altitude high speed wind that controls our weather systems) has become more wavy within the last 5-6 years, which leads to weather systems becoming "stuck" as it were... which correlates to a statement by the main professor of this project in Alaska, who stated a side effect would be that the Jet Stream's shape could become warped and lead to weather patterns becoming stuck for prolonged periods of time. The simple fact that not a single TV programme or report even briefly mentions this place is suspicious enough, let alone how all the jigsaw pieces seem to fit together. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if I knew how to do it officially, I would lay down an official challenge to the USA Government to shut down this facility from early March until late October to see what happens, with an independant invigilator on scene to make sure nothing background is still going on... then if we get a good summer we know it's not climate change but just this facility screwing around with out weather (which would therefore make the american government liable to reimburse our country for all the damaged crops and houses etc due to flooding); but if we have another summer like we have this year or worse then we'd know that facility has nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]Fascinating. If what you're saying is true - I have no reason to doubt it - then it's absolutely scandalous that the US government is allowed to operate this facility. What is the name of this place? The Americans have a great track record at ignoring climate causality when it comes to there own well-being and interests. I don't know if you remember but when 9/11 happened, all the grounded air-traffic across the states meant that the temperature rose 1.5C because planes weren't polluting the skies with their reflecting trails. Think that's what it was anyway.[/p][/quote]The facility is in a small town called Figment within the province of Imagination. Paul Meoff

2:49pm Sun 23 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests.

How many others have we wrecked in the past?
[quote]Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests. [/quote] How many others have we wrecked in the past? Buzz Light-year

4:00pm Sun 23 Dec 12

Sillybillies says...

The facility is in a small town called Figment within the province of Imagination.

It's real OK, and a happy hunting ground for conspiracy nutters.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/HAARP

Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests.

For once I agree with Buzz, "How many others have we wrecked in the past?"
[quote]The facility is in a small town called Figment within the province of Imagination.[/quote] It's real OK, and a happy hunting ground for conspiracy nutters. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/HAARP [quote]Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests.[/quote] For once I agree with Buzz, "How many others have we wrecked in the past?" Sillybillies

5:04pm Sun 23 Dec 12

Paul Meoff says...

Sillybillies wrote:
The facility is in a small town called Figment within the province of Imagination.

It's real OK, and a happy hunting ground for conspiracy nutters.

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/HAARP

Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests.

For once I agree with Buzz, "How many others have we wrecked in the past?"
Indeed it is. I'm now sitting here typing away in my tin foil hat.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]The facility is in a small town called Figment within the province of Imagination.[/quote] It's real OK, and a happy hunting ground for conspiracy nutters. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/HAARP [quote]Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests.[/quote] For once I agree with Buzz, "How many others have we wrecked in the past?"[/p][/quote]Indeed it is. I'm now sitting here typing away in my tin foil hat. Paul Meoff

5:08pm Sun 23 Dec 12

Pedro says...

The gulf stream is our weather. That changes, so does our weather. That is a fact. The polar bear lives South of us! Naturally we could have just the right amount of rain at just the right time, but is better to have to too much rain that too little. Look at the drought of 1976 with stand pipes in the street (although not here). With normal rainfall that would have gone on for two to three years!
The gulf stream is our weather. That changes, so does our weather. That is a fact. The polar bear lives South of us! Naturally we could have just the right amount of rain at just the right time, but is better to have to too much rain that too little. Look at the drought of 1976 with stand pipes in the street (although not here). With normal rainfall that would have gone on for two to three years! Pedro

12:06am Mon 24 Dec 12

Omega Point says...

It is time to change the names of the rivers flowing through York and that way it will prevent flooding
It is time to change the names of the rivers flowing through York and that way it will prevent flooding Omega Point

11:57am Mon 24 Dec 12

Coriolanus says...

Brilliant. The River Dribble. Presumably in the absence of Ouse the whole water-table would fall. I think you should ask for half the saving the EA will make on flood defences.
Brilliant. The River Dribble. Presumably in the absence of Ouse the whole water-table would fall. I think you should ask for half the saving the EA will make on flood defences. Coriolanus

10:23am Wed 26 Dec 12

Dennis.Dart says...

more nonesense from the press its nothing new that this barrier keeps the foss under control so the press blabs on about mystery of why the foss is so low, DUHHH its them massive pumps spewing out the water into the ouse !!!
when will the press ever report any thing worth reporting !!!!
more nonesense from the press its nothing new that this barrier keeps the foss under control so the press blabs on about mystery of why the foss is so low, DUHHH its them massive pumps spewing out the water into the ouse !!! when will the press ever report any thing worth reporting !!!! Dennis.Dart

11:00pm Thu 27 Dec 12

DeeJaiEss says...

Dennis.Dart wrote:
more nonesense from the press its nothing new that this barrier keeps the foss under control so the press blabs on about mystery of why the foss is so low, DUHHH its them massive pumps spewing out the water into the ouse !!!
when will the press ever report any thing worth reporting !!!!
Thankfully York is sufficiently small enough not to have more interesting news going on. I mean, what would you rather have, some banal news item or murders/attacks/vand
alism and the likes? York is not immune from but suffers nothing like our larger cities in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]Dennis.Dart[/bold] wrote: more nonesense from the press its nothing new that this barrier keeps the foss under control so the press blabs on about mystery of why the foss is so low, DUHHH its them massive pumps spewing out the water into the ouse !!! when will the press ever report any thing worth reporting !!!![/p][/quote]Thankfully York is sufficiently small enough not to have more interesting news going on. I mean, what would you rather have, some banal news item or murders/attacks/vand alism and the likes? York is not immune from but suffers nothing like our larger cities in the UK. DeeJaiEss

11:09pm Thu 27 Dec 12

DeeJaiEss says...

Omega Point wrote:
It is time to change the names of the rivers flowing through York and that way it will prevent flooding
Hmm, yes. Changing the name of rivers has always been a useful way of avoiding flooding from that particular river. My goodness, this could save millions of pounds. Why didn't we think of that before?

Ah, erm, flaw. Doesn't that mean that the newly-named river will then just flood, thus not changing a thing?

I suppose it's a bit like large corporate entities changing their names to avoid their legal and financial liabilities.

Oh but nature does it's thing regardless what you call it.

In the words of Homer Simpson - DOH!
[quote][p][bold]Omega Point[/bold] wrote: It is time to change the names of the rivers flowing through York and that way it will prevent flooding[/p][/quote]Hmm, yes. Changing the name of rivers has always been a useful way of avoiding flooding from that particular river. My goodness, this could save millions of pounds. Why didn't we think of that before? Ah, erm, flaw. Doesn't that mean that the newly-named river will then just flood, thus not changing a thing? I suppose it's a bit like large corporate entities changing their names to avoid their legal and financial liabilities. Oh but nature does it's thing regardless what you call it. In the words of Homer Simpson - DOH! DeeJaiEss

4:30am Fri 28 Dec 12

Magicman! says...

Sillybillies wrote:
The facility is in a small town called Figment within the province of Imagination.

It's real OK, and a happy hunting ground for conspiracy nutters.

http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/HAARP

Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests.

For once I agree with Buzz, "How many others have we wrecked in the past?"
So Sillybillies doesn't agree.... and considering the one-sided rants that often have no real substance on other matters from them can anybody really agree with them on this either?

Whilst it has to be taken with a pinch of salt, the whole 'mind control' thing from this facility is something I do not believe for a single minute, the fact that the official website states the facility does not alter weather patterns and yet a video interview with the leading professor of the facility states that weather patterns will and are being affected by it should raise eyebrows of anybody with an open mind and of any credible intelligence, rather than just latching on to the whole global warming/climate change farce... which, lets remember, was started by the Americans in 2000/2001 shortly after the Y2K failed to destroy civilisation. Now America as a society has an unbelieveable arrogance (their President has even stated that America is the "only indespensable nation in the world"): if you watch any disaster movies, the bad thing always happens first in America and it is somehow always the Americans that find the solution to whatever is destroying the world - so why not exaggerate the 'end of the world' thing they have going and make up some **** and bull story that the world will end but don't worry because America is coming to the rescue?

The other fact is HAARP was completed during 2007, and every summer we've had since then has been terrible. In addition the data obtained by the University of Sheffield shows that in the same time span the Jet Stream has been less continuous and more wavy thus leading to weather patterns becoming stuck. If you consider how long it takes for civil engineering/building projects to go from blueprints to being in operation, you can go back from 2007 and end up in 2001/2002, which corelates to when global warming was invented. Whether you think this is a complete conspiracy theory, these are proverbial round pegs going through round holes, and are a better fit than the hexagonal pegs that ecoMENTALISTS are trying to force through the round holes.

--

BTW on 11/9/2001 (the proper way the date is written in shorthand) when global temperatures rose because of lack of air travel, this says a lot. Aside from normal pollutants that climate activists and ecoMENTALISTS like to latch on to in order to raise revenue through taxes, other chemical compounds are emitted such as those based on Nitrogen, which actually create a barrier for the Sun's energy reaching inside our atmosphere. Our coal-fired power stations used to emit these too until the tree huggers decided power stations were evil and we should all be using candles instead, which caused power station flue stacks to be fitted with filters, these filter out the nitrates we need and so they did more harm than good. Thankfully, Chinese power stations don't have these filters and so it is they who are in fact keeping our climate under some level of control at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Sillybillies[/bold] wrote: [quote]The facility is in a small town called Figment within the province of Imagination.[/quote] It's real OK, and a happy hunting ground for conspiracy nutters. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/HAARP [quote]Humans are very good at wrecking planets for their own interests.[/quote] For once I agree with Buzz, "How many others have we wrecked in the past?"[/p][/quote]So Sillybillies doesn't agree.... and considering the one-sided rants that often have no real substance on other matters from them can anybody really agree with them on this either? Whilst it has to be taken with a pinch of salt, the whole 'mind control' thing from this facility is something I do not believe for a single minute, the fact that the official website states the facility does not alter weather patterns and yet a video interview with the leading professor of the facility states that weather patterns will and are being affected by it should raise eyebrows of anybody with an open mind and of any credible intelligence, rather than just latching on to the whole global warming/climate change farce... which, lets remember, was started by the Americans in 2000/2001 shortly after the Y2K failed to destroy civilisation. Now America as a society has an unbelieveable arrogance (their President has even stated that America is the "only indespensable nation in the world"): if you watch any disaster movies, the bad thing always happens first in America and it is somehow always the Americans that find the solution to whatever is destroying the world - so why not exaggerate the 'end of the world' thing they have going and make up some **** and bull story that the world will end but don't worry because America is coming to the rescue? The other fact is HAARP was completed during 2007, and every summer we've had since then has been terrible. In addition the data obtained by the University of Sheffield shows that in the same time span the Jet Stream has been less continuous and more wavy thus leading to weather patterns becoming stuck. If you consider how long it takes for civil engineering/building projects to go from blueprints to being in operation, you can go back from 2007 and end up in 2001/2002, which corelates to when global warming was invented. Whether you think this is a complete conspiracy theory, these are proverbial round pegs going through round holes, and are a better fit than the hexagonal pegs that ecoMENTALISTS are trying to force through the round holes. -- BTW on 11/9/2001 (the proper way the date is written in shorthand) when global temperatures rose because of lack of air travel, this says a lot. Aside from normal pollutants that climate activists and ecoMENTALISTS like to latch on to in order to raise revenue through taxes, other chemical compounds are emitted such as those based on Nitrogen, which actually create a barrier for the Sun's energy reaching inside our atmosphere. Our coal-fired power stations used to emit these too until the tree huggers decided power stations were evil and we should all be using candles instead, which caused power station flue stacks to be fitted with filters, these filter out the nitrates we need and so they did more harm than good. Thankfully, Chinese power stations don't have these filters and so it is they who are in fact keeping our climate under some level of control at the moment. Magicman!

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