Park&Ride bus fares to rise in New Year

BUS fares on York’s Park&Ride services are to rise in the New Year.

First York, which operates the service jointly with City of York Council, said the increases were due to, and in line with, inflation.

A return ticket for all services will go up by 10p to £2.60, though a single ticket will remain at £2.

Concessionary singles, available after 9am on working days and all day on bank holidays and weekends to passengers with concessionary passes, will also remain unchanged at 60p.

MinsterCard tickets for regular or frequent users will also go up. All rises will come into effect on Sunday, January 6.

Simon Pearson, First In York’s commercial director, said: “The York Park&Ride fares are directly linked to inflationary measures and therefore we have had to review our fares to meet the ongoing challenge of rising costs to our business.

“We appreciate nobody likes it when prices go up and we have held back for a number of months to make some changes, although single fares have remained the same.

“We have also worked hard to keep any increases to a minimum by introducing savings within our business to offset cost increases.

“Our aim in 2013 is to continue to give value-for-money to our customers and to continue to build upon improvements in terms of punctuality and customer satisfaction.”

Andrew Bradley, sustainable transport operations manager for the council, said the Park&Ride remained excellent value for money.

A MinsterCard’s stored value return will go up to £2.30 from £2.25.

Weekly Minstercard tickets will rise by 40p from £10 to £10.40, monthly tickets will go up £1.60 from £40 to £41.60 and annual tickets will go up by £16 from £400 to £416.

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10:36am Sat 22 Dec 12

sheps lad says...

Does this mean more bikes on the roads?
Does this mean more bikes on the roads? sheps lad

10:51am Sat 22 Dec 12

bolero says...

So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?
So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point? bolero

10:54am Sat 22 Dec 12

yorkiemum says...

bolero wrote:
So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?
Exactly!!!! Why bother going into town when you can get all you want from out of town retailing sites
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?[/p][/quote]Exactly!!!! Why bother going into town when you can get all you want from out of town retailing sites yorkiemum

10:59am Sat 22 Dec 12

Paul Meoff says...

sheps lad wrote:
Does this mean more bikes on the roads?
Hopefully. Safety in numbers. When more people cycle it becomes safer and more people do it.

Less crowded roads and hopefully less wheezing unfit lumps of lard clogging up the NHS.
[quote][p][bold]sheps lad[/bold] wrote: Does this mean more bikes on the roads?[/p][/quote]Hopefully. Safety in numbers. When more people cycle it becomes safer and more people do it. Less crowded roads and hopefully less wheezing unfit lumps of lard clogging up the NHS. Paul Meoff

11:40am Sat 22 Dec 12

Caecilius says...

I already pay not £2.60 but £3.50 return on the Park & Ride, from an intermediate stop. As often as not, I then have to stand. The P&R is the only frequent and direct bus service into town from Rawcliffe, so I generally save my money and walk.

But hey - I'm just a York resident and council tax payer, who funds the free parking and subsidises the reduced fares that benefit people who don't live here and the city centre businesses where they spend their money.
I already pay not £2.60 but £3.50 return on the Park & Ride, from an intermediate stop. As often as not, I then have to stand. The P&R is the only frequent and direct bus service into town from Rawcliffe, so I generally save my money and walk. But hey - I'm just a York resident and council tax payer, who funds the free parking and subsidises the reduced fares that benefit people who don't live here and the city centre businesses where they spend their money. Caecilius

12:09pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Tom6187 says...

yorkiemum wrote:
bolero wrote:
So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?
Exactly!!!! Why bother going into town when you can get all you want from out of town retailing sites
Which is why we are seeing such a rise in out of town shops, soon we will see more and more shops in town disappearing because of this. It can only be a bad thing because you rarely get a small retailer in an out of town shopping park so all this does is crush small businesses and help the big businesses. What a crap world we live in thanks to capitalism.
[quote][p][bold]yorkiemum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?[/p][/quote]Exactly!!!! Why bother going into town when you can get all you want from out of town retailing sites[/p][/quote]Which is why we are seeing such a rise in out of town shops, soon we will see more and more shops in town disappearing because of this. It can only be a bad thing because you rarely get a small retailer in an out of town shopping park so all this does is crush small businesses and help the big businesses. What a crap world we live in thanks to capitalism. Tom6187

1:08pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Keeet Lemon says...

Paul Meoff wrote:
sheps lad wrote:
Does this mean more bikes on the roads?
Hopefully. Safety in numbers. When more people cycle it becomes safer and more people do it.

Less crowded roads and hopefully less wheezing unfit lumps of lard clogging up the NHS.
Troll
[quote][p][bold]Paul Meoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sheps lad[/bold] wrote: Does this mean more bikes on the roads?[/p][/quote]Hopefully. Safety in numbers. When more people cycle it becomes safer and more people do it. Less crowded roads and hopefully less wheezing unfit lumps of lard clogging up the NHS.[/p][/quote]Troll Keeet Lemon

5:00pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Woody G Mellor says...

bolero wrote:
So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?
£3.90 for three hours for residents? Where was that? I parked at Tower car park this morning for three hours and it cost me £5.90. (Resident)

Still, I'd rather pay that than hump all my shopping home on the crowded bus after a long wait in the cold and rain!
[quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?[/p][/quote]£3.90 for three hours for residents? Where was that? I parked at Tower car park this morning for three hours and it cost me £5.90. (Resident) Still, I'd rather pay that than hump all my shopping home on the crowded bus after a long wait in the cold and rain! Woody G Mellor

5:34pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Ella Fitz says...

90p per hour at Sainsbury's!!
4 hours = £3.60 for two people ... No brainer.
90p per hour at Sainsbury's!! 4 hours = £3.60 for two people ... No brainer. Ella Fitz

8:02pm Sat 22 Dec 12

livewithit says...

Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market.
Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!!

Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.
Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market. Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!! Bout time we kicked first york out anyway. livewithit

9:10pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Burkett swish pack says...

You can park off behind the station for £2.50
You can park off behind the station for £2.50 Burkett swish pack

9:10pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Burkett swish pack says...

You can park off behind the station for £2.50
You can park off behind the station for £2.50 Burkett swish pack

10:02pm Sat 22 Dec 12

TERRIER3 says...

livewithit wrote:
Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market.
Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!!

Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.
you cant kick out a private company, thats like saying we should kick tesco out of york cos their mince pies are worse than marls and spencers mince pies......
[quote][p][bold]livewithit[/bold] wrote: Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market. Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!! Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.[/p][/quote]you cant kick out a private company, thats like saying we should kick tesco out of york cos their mince pies are worse than marls and spencers mince pies...... TERRIER3

10:55pm Sat 22 Dec 12

PKH says...

Burkett swish pack wrote:
You can park off behind the station for £2.50
Only at weekends
[quote][p][bold]Burkett swish pack[/bold] wrote: You can park off behind the station for £2.50[/p][/quote]Only at weekends PKH

4:17am Sun 23 Dec 12

Magicman! says...

Keeet Lemon wrote:
Paul Meoff wrote:
sheps lad wrote:
Does this mean more bikes on the roads?
Hopefully. Safety in numbers. When more people cycle it becomes safer and more people do it.

Less crowded roads and hopefully less wheezing unfit lumps of lard clogging up the NHS.
Troll
Explain.... how can somebody be a troll for posting a frank and honest point? Unless you take exception to the "wheezing unfit lump of lard" comment for one particular reason....
[quote][p][bold]Keeet Lemon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul Meoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sheps lad[/bold] wrote: Does this mean more bikes on the roads?[/p][/quote]Hopefully. Safety in numbers. When more people cycle it becomes safer and more people do it. Less crowded roads and hopefully less wheezing unfit lumps of lard clogging up the NHS.[/p][/quote]Troll[/p][/quote]Explain.... how can somebody be a troll for posting a frank and honest point? Unless you take exception to the "wheezing unfit lump of lard" comment for one particular reason.... Magicman!

4:18am Sun 23 Dec 12

Magicman! says...

Another January, another fare hike.
Another January, another fare hike. Magicman!

9:46am Sun 23 Dec 12

Even AndyD says...

This is ridiculous. I agree with high city centre charges, York cannot cope with much traffic in the middle. But you facilitate that by making it overwhelmingly worthwhile to Park n Ride, surely?
This is ridiculous. I agree with high city centre charges, York cannot cope with much traffic in the middle. But you facilitate that by making it overwhelmingly worthwhile to Park n Ride, surely? Even AndyD

9:57am Sun 23 Dec 12

bolero says...

Woody G Mellor wrote:
bolero wrote: So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?
£3.90 for three hours for residents? Where was that? I parked at Tower car park this morning for three hours and it cost me £5.90. (Resident) Still, I'd rather pay that than hump all my shopping home on the crowded bus after a long wait in the cold and rain!
I don't know where Tower car park is but it doesn't appear on the Car park map. In any case it's time you got yourself a resident's permit Woody.
[quote][p][bold]Woody G Mellor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bolero[/bold] wrote: So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?[/p][/quote]£3.90 for three hours for residents? Where was that? I parked at Tower car park this morning for three hours and it cost me £5.90. (Resident) Still, I'd rather pay that than hump all my shopping home on the crowded bus after a long wait in the cold and rain![/p][/quote]I don't know where Tower car park is but it doesn't appear on the Car park map. In any case it's time you got yourself a resident's permit Woody. bolero

10:35am Sun 23 Dec 12

scooterboy says...

should be free
should be free scooterboy

3:06pm Sun 23 Dec 12

Paul Meoff says...

scooterboy wrote:
should be free
Agree it should be free at point of use. However, buses cost money as does fuel and the drivers won't be volunteers.

Combination of local and central tax with a York congestion charge could be an answer. Top it up with fines from rigorously applied speeding laws.
[quote][p][bold]scooterboy[/bold] wrote: should be free[/p][/quote]Agree it should be free at point of use. However, buses cost money as does fuel and the drivers won't be volunteers. Combination of local and central tax with a York congestion charge could be an answer. Top it up with fines from rigorously applied speeding laws. Paul Meoff

3:15pm Sun 23 Dec 12

livewithit says...

TERRIER3

I say kick them out because they cannot run a decent bus service in York FULL STOP.

You try using there service - I speak from bad experience !!!

Not just P&R !
TERRIER3 I say kick them out because they cannot run a decent bus service in York FULL STOP. You try using there service - I speak from bad experience !!! Not just P&R ! livewithit

11:29am Mon 24 Dec 12

Viper_7 says...

Said it before, all towns will soon just be residential housing areas, with no shops.
Local independents and even the larger town shops will vanish as we all turn to shopping out of town and purchasing on-line due to being priced out of todwn shopping.

Next step to prevent this will be a Taxation for on-line shopping in the "interests" of fair competition.
Said it before, all towns will soon just be residential housing areas, with no shops. Local independents and even the larger town shops will vanish as we all turn to shopping out of town and purchasing on-line due to being priced out of todwn shopping. Next step to prevent this will be a Taxation for on-line shopping in the "interests" of fair competition. Viper_7

11:29am Mon 24 Dec 12

Viper_7 says...

Said it before, all towns will soon just be residential housing areas, with no shops.
Local independents and even the larger town shops will vanish as we all turn to shopping out of town and purchasing on-line due to being priced out of todwn shopping.

Next step to prevent this will be a Taxation for on-line shopping in the "interests" of fair competition.
Said it before, all towns will soon just be residential housing areas, with no shops. Local independents and even the larger town shops will vanish as we all turn to shopping out of town and purchasing on-line due to being priced out of todwn shopping. Next step to prevent this will be a Taxation for on-line shopping in the "interests" of fair competition. Viper_7

12:18pm Mon 24 Dec 12

Coriolanus says...

I recommend going by river. It's no slower than driving down Fulford Road at peak time if you row and a great deal more pleasant.
I recommend going by river. It's no slower than driving down Fulford Road at peak time if you row and a great deal more pleasant. Coriolanus

12:21pm Mon 24 Dec 12

jusaying says...

livewithit wrote:
Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market.
Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!!

Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.
P&R bus fares are determined by the york city council, NOT First York bus company.
[quote][p][bold]livewithit[/bold] wrote: Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market. Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!! Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.[/p][/quote]P&R bus fares are determined by the york city council, NOT First York bus company. jusaying

7:22pm Tue 25 Dec 12

Hoofarted says...

Who decides on the fare prices? It's a joint venture between First York, which operates the service with City of York Council, said the increases were due to, and in line with, inflation.

Now think back to the recent reduced Government funding announced by Piggy Pickles.

"Eric Pickles outlines funding cuts for England councils. The communities secretary told MPs the wealthiest councils face average funding cuts of 8.7% for 2013-14"

With these kind of cuts hitting the people who have to live in elected councils areas, somethings sadly have to give in order for the councils to survive and avoid falling into Piggy Pickles trap of failure.

Doesn't take a genius to work out that Park & Rise and refuge bins etc etc are hit under this kind of financial abuse by the tory led coalition to pay for their Banker friends complete **** up.
Who decides on the fare prices? It's a joint venture between First York, which operates the service with City of York Council, said the increases were due to, and in line with, inflation. Now think back to the recent reduced Government funding announced by Piggy Pickles. "Eric Pickles outlines funding cuts for England councils. The communities secretary told MPs the wealthiest councils face average funding cuts of 8.7% for 2013-14" With these kind of cuts hitting the people who have to live in elected councils areas, somethings sadly have to give in order for the councils to survive and avoid falling into Piggy Pickles trap of failure. Doesn't take a genius to work out that Park & Rise and refuge bins etc etc are hit under this kind of financial abuse by the tory led coalition to pay for their Banker friends complete **** up. Hoofarted

10:30am Wed 26 Dec 12

Dennis.Dart says...

three P&R sites are operating today (boxing day) drivers been paid £30ph site supervisors £40ph james street staff on duty more or less same rate of pay for the 10 hours of running the service and whats MORE its a Free service paid for by CyC Oh I mean us tax payers !!!
another waste of tax payers money !!!!
three P&R sites are operating today (boxing day) drivers been paid £30ph site supervisors £40ph james street staff on duty more or less same rate of pay for the 10 hours of running the service and whats MORE its a Free service paid for by CyC Oh I mean us tax payers !!! another waste of tax payers money !!!! Dennis.Dart

12:57pm Wed 26 Dec 12

greenmonkey says...

TERRIER3 wrote:
livewithit wrote:
Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market.
Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!!

Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.
you cant kick out a private company, thats like saying we should kick tesco out of york cos their mince pies are worse than marls and spencers mince pies......
First York have a five year contract with the council to run the park and ride services so the council does have a veto on price increases. Its down to this deal that newer buses were provided and an annual payment to the council.
On the question of the free park and ride service today, this is only because Labour responded to city centre traders demands and are offering free city centre parking today. That will probably cost the council more in lost revenue than the wages of park and ride drivers for the day does.
[quote][p][bold]TERRIER3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livewithit[/bold] wrote: Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market. Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!! Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.[/p][/quote]you cant kick out a private company, thats like saying we should kick tesco out of york cos their mince pies are worse than marls and spencers mince pies......[/p][/quote]First York have a five year contract with the council to run the park and ride services so the council does have a veto on price increases. Its down to this deal that newer buses were provided and an annual payment to the council. On the question of the free park and ride service today, this is only because Labour responded to city centre traders demands and are offering free city centre parking today. That will probably cost the council more in lost revenue than the wages of park and ride drivers for the day does. greenmonkey

1:31pm Wed 26 Dec 12

Older Sometimes Wiser says...

greenmonkey wrote:
TERRIER3 wrote:
livewithit wrote:
Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market.
Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!!

Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.
you cant kick out a private company, thats like saying we should kick tesco out of york cos their mince pies are worse than marls and spencers mince pies......
First York have a five year contract with the council to run the park and ride services so the council does have a veto on price increases. Its down to this deal that newer buses were provided and an annual payment to the council.
On the question of the free park and ride service today, this is only because Labour responded to city centre traders demands and are offering free city centre parking today. That will probably cost the council more in lost revenue than the wages of park and ride drivers for the day does.
The very limited Park&Ride service today, Boxing Day, and the total lack of any other bus service within the city and from surrounding villages, has been totally ignored by the media.
This prevents older and disabled citizens from travel, either to shop, visit relatives or just to get out into the commodity, unless of course they drive(or cycle").
Concessions are of no use where there is no public transport.
This is yet another example of how a large section of society has again been discounted by our so called leaders.
If this applies to you make your voice heard and complain!
[quote][p][bold]greenmonkey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TERRIER3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livewithit[/bold] wrote: Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market. Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!! Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.[/p][/quote]you cant kick out a private company, thats like saying we should kick tesco out of york cos their mince pies are worse than marls and spencers mince pies......[/p][/quote]First York have a five year contract with the council to run the park and ride services so the council does have a veto on price increases. Its down to this deal that newer buses were provided and an annual payment to the council. On the question of the free park and ride service today, this is only because Labour responded to city centre traders demands and are offering free city centre parking today. That will probably cost the council more in lost revenue than the wages of park and ride drivers for the day does.[/p][/quote]The very limited Park&Ride service today, Boxing Day, and the total lack of any other bus service within the city and from surrounding villages, has been totally ignored by the media. This prevents older and disabled citizens from travel, either to shop, visit relatives or just to get out into the commodity, unless of course they drive(or cycle"). Concessions are of no use where there is no public transport. This is yet another example of how a large section of society has again been discounted by our so called leaders. If this applies to you make your voice heard and complain! Older Sometimes Wiser

8:52pm Wed 26 Dec 12

Marc77 says...

Why didn't CYC/ Last dork help provide buses on Non Park and Stupid ride and help fund services on other routes (number 10 upwards).
Why didn't CYC/ Last dork help provide buses on Non Park and Stupid ride and help fund services on other routes (number 10 upwards). Marc77

3:08am Thu 27 Dec 12

Magicman! says...

Dennis.Dart wrote:
three P&R sites are operating today (boxing day) drivers been paid £30ph site supervisors £40ph james street staff on duty more or less same rate of pay for the 10 hours of running the service and whats MORE its a Free service paid for by CyC Oh I mean us tax payers !!!
another waste of tax payers money !!!!
£30 per hour to drive a bus? I was working on Boxing Day (mainly marking sandwiches down to 10p) and I doubt I will have even been getting £7 an hour, on a 6 hour shift with just 15 minutes of break counted from the second you step off the floor you're working on, which is a nuisance if your locker and break room is on the top floor and even mor annoying if the vending machine plays stupid sods and decided not to dispense crisps therefore forcing the person outside to go to a nearby shop to buy crisps.

As there's quite a few people working on Boxing Day now, I fail to see why buses and trains still run to the archaic "nobody does anything so no service is needed" principle. In Manchester there was even a bus service running on Christmas Day (to and from the airport, run by Stagecoach), yet here in York all we get on the next day is a couple of bus routes going direct from one shopping point to another, not connecting any people living off the main roads in between. If the 3 was running, it could have honoured local stops along Taddy road, the & could have run around Broadway and Heslington Road, and the 9 could have at least run a loop around New Lane, Jockey Lane, Monks Cross shops, then the P&R site.


The current setup for Park and Ride isn't ideal anyway, as the whole point is that it is supposed to be seamless integration. But as it stands you park your car and then have to pay seperate fares when you board the bus, and at Monks Cross you still have to have validated your parking. It would be better if you parked up and were charged a flat price depending on vehicle size and how long you'd be there for (ie, 4x4 parked on a 'half day' tariff would cost the same as a Smart car parked on an 'all day' tariff).... unless you go the environmental-awaren
ess way and charge people based on "how much carbon is saved" for those who believe in all that hocum - for example a 4x4 parked up at the P&R site saves more CO2 compared to driving it into the city than the equivalent journey if a Smart car is parked there, in which case there could be some financial incentive for drivers of larger vehicles to park up and bus it to the city. But whatever way, it should be that parking is paid for and in return you are given a group ticket for all those travelling in your vehicle, only valid if all people in the group travel together, and is valid for up to 6 journeys (3 returns) within the operating hours of the service. This would allow for people to buy shopping and take it back to the car without having to buy another bus ticket.....
[quote][p][bold]Dennis.Dart[/bold] wrote: three P&R sites are operating today (boxing day) drivers been paid £30ph site supervisors £40ph james street staff on duty more or less same rate of pay for the 10 hours of running the service and whats MORE its a Free service paid for by CyC Oh I mean us tax payers !!! another waste of tax payers money !!!![/p][/quote]£30 per hour to drive a bus? I was working on Boxing Day (mainly marking sandwiches down to 10p) and I doubt I will have even been getting £7 an hour, on a 6 hour shift with just 15 minutes of break counted from the second you step off the floor you're working on, which is a nuisance if your locker and break room is on the top floor and even mor annoying if the vending machine plays stupid sods and decided not to dispense crisps therefore forcing the person outside to go to a nearby shop to buy crisps. As there's quite a few people working on Boxing Day now, I fail to see why buses and trains still run to the archaic "nobody does anything so no service is needed" principle. In Manchester there was even a bus service running on Christmas Day (to and from the airport, run by Stagecoach), yet here in York all we get on the next day is a couple of bus routes going direct from one shopping point to another, not connecting any people living off the main roads in between. If the 3 was running, it could have honoured local stops along Taddy road, the & could have run around Broadway and Heslington Road, and the 9 could have at least run a loop around New Lane, Jockey Lane, Monks Cross shops, then the P&R site. The current setup for Park and Ride isn't ideal anyway, as the whole point is that it is supposed to be seamless integration. But as it stands you park your car and then have to pay seperate fares when you board the bus, and at Monks Cross you still have to have validated your parking. It would be better if you parked up and were charged a flat price depending on vehicle size and how long you'd be there for (ie, 4x4 parked on a 'half day' tariff would cost the same as a Smart car parked on an 'all day' tariff).... unless you go the environmental-awaren ess way and charge people based on "how much carbon is saved" for those who believe in all that hocum - for example a 4x4 parked up at the P&R site saves more CO2 compared to driving it into the city than the equivalent journey if a Smart car is parked there, in which case there could be some financial incentive for drivers of larger vehicles to park up and bus it to the city. But whatever way, it should be that parking is paid for and in return you are given a group ticket for all those travelling in your vehicle, only valid if all people in the group travel together, and is valid for up to 6 journeys (3 returns) within the operating hours of the service. This would allow for people to buy shopping and take it back to the car without having to buy another bus ticket..... Magicman!

10:06am Thu 27 Dec 12

bolero says...

I won't bother quoting `Magicman's` long winded tirade except to say that it hasn't been necessary to validate your parking ticket at Monks Cross for many, many months. The barrier tolls were taken out of commission probably before last christmas. Incidentally that was another waste of money but that's another story.
I won't bother quoting `Magicman's` long winded tirade except to say that it hasn't been necessary to validate your parking ticket at Monks Cross for many, many months. The barrier tolls were taken out of commission probably before last christmas. Incidentally that was another waste of money but that's another story. bolero

12:41pm Thu 27 Dec 12

dogcapp says...

In Manchester there was even a bus service running on Christmas Day (to and from the airport, run by Stagecoach)


Where abouts is York airport?? Do we need a bus service there on boxing day like Manchester??
In Manchester there was even a bus service running on Christmas Day (to and from the airport, run by Stagecoach) Where abouts is York airport?? Do we need a bus service there on boxing day like Manchester?? dogcapp

7:07am Fri 28 Dec 12

rjm2k1 says...

Caecilius wrote:
I already pay not £2.60 but £3.50 return on the Park & Ride, from an intermediate stop. As often as not, I then have to stand. The P&R is the only frequent and direct bus service into town from Rawcliffe, so I generally save my money and walk. But hey - I'm just a York resident and council tax payer, who funds the free parking and subsidises the reduced fares that benefit people who don't live here and the city centre businesses where they spend their money.
Intermediate stops should never have been allowed, it's a park and ride not a local bus service. I gave up on the P&R years ago when more often than not I had to stand in the rain for over an hour every evening watching bus after bus fail to stop becaus it was full. The problem only got worse when they added intermediate stops,, if you report it the guy with the high viz and clipboard would appear, the buses would stop but as soon as he left it was back to normal. How is this supposed to encourage people to use the bus rather than drive in?
[quote][p][bold]Caecilius[/bold] wrote: I already pay not £2.60 but £3.50 return on the Park & Ride, from an intermediate stop. As often as not, I then have to stand. The P&R is the only frequent and direct bus service into town from Rawcliffe, so I generally save my money and walk. But hey - I'm just a York resident and council tax payer, who funds the free parking and subsidises the reduced fares that benefit people who don't live here and the city centre businesses where they spend their money.[/p][/quote]Intermediate stops should never have been allowed, it's a park and ride not a local bus service. I gave up on the P&R years ago when more often than not I had to stand in the rain for over an hour every evening watching bus after bus fail to stop becaus it was full. The problem only got worse when they added intermediate stops,, if you report it the guy with the high viz and clipboard would appear, the buses would stop but as soon as he left it was back to normal. How is this supposed to encourage people to use the bus rather than drive in? rjm2k1

8:17pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Tragic Man! says...

Magicman! wrote:
Dennis.Dart wrote:
three P&R sites are operating today (boxing day) drivers been paid £30ph site supervisors £40ph james street staff on duty more or less same rate of pay for the 10 hours of running the service and whats MORE its a Free service paid for by CyC Oh I mean us tax payers !!!
another waste of tax payers money !!!!
£30 per hour to drive a bus? I was working on Boxing Day (mainly marking sandwiches down to 10p) and I doubt I will have even been getting £7 an hour, on a 6 hour shift with just 15 minutes of break counted from the second you step off the floor you're working on, which is a nuisance if your locker and break room is on the top floor and even mor annoying if the vending machine plays stupid sods and decided not to dispense crisps therefore forcing the person outside to go to a nearby shop to buy crisps.

As there's quite a few people working on Boxing Day now, I fail to see why buses and trains still run to the archaic "nobody does anything so no service is needed" principle. In Manchester there was even a bus service running on Christmas Day (to and from the airport, run by Stagecoach), yet here in York all we get on the next day is a couple of bus routes going direct from one shopping point to another, not connecting any people living off the main roads in between. If the 3 was running, it could have honoured local stops along Taddy road, the & could have run around Broadway and Heslington Road, and the 9 could have at least run a loop around New Lane, Jockey Lane, Monks Cross shops, then the P&R site.


The current setup for Park and Ride isn't ideal anyway, as the whole point is that it is supposed to be seamless integration. But as it stands you park your car and then have to pay seperate fares when you board the bus, and at Monks Cross you still have to have validated your parking. It would be better if you parked up and were charged a flat price depending on vehicle size and how long you'd be there for (ie, 4x4 parked on a 'half day' tariff would cost the same as a Smart car parked on an 'all day' tariff).... unless you go the environmental-awaren

ess way and charge people based on "how much carbon is saved" for those who believe in all that hocum - for example a 4x4 parked up at the P&R site saves more CO2 compared to driving it into the city than the equivalent journey if a Smart car is parked there, in which case there could be some financial incentive for drivers of larger vehicles to park up and bus it to the city. But whatever way, it should be that parking is paid for and in return you are given a group ticket for all those travelling in your vehicle, only valid if all people in the group travel together, and is valid for up to 6 journeys (3 returns) within the operating hours of the service. This would allow for people to buy shopping and take it back to the car without having to buy another bus ticket.....
so what you are saying is because you are on rubbish conditions everyone should be? Charming...
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dennis.Dart[/bold] wrote: three P&R sites are operating today (boxing day) drivers been paid £30ph site supervisors £40ph james street staff on duty more or less same rate of pay for the 10 hours of running the service and whats MORE its a Free service paid for by CyC Oh I mean us tax payers !!! another waste of tax payers money !!!![/p][/quote]£30 per hour to drive a bus? I was working on Boxing Day (mainly marking sandwiches down to 10p) and I doubt I will have even been getting £7 an hour, on a 6 hour shift with just 15 minutes of break counted from the second you step off the floor you're working on, which is a nuisance if your locker and break room is on the top floor and even mor annoying if the vending machine plays stupid sods and decided not to dispense crisps therefore forcing the person outside to go to a nearby shop to buy crisps. As there's quite a few people working on Boxing Day now, I fail to see why buses and trains still run to the archaic "nobody does anything so no service is needed" principle. In Manchester there was even a bus service running on Christmas Day (to and from the airport, run by Stagecoach), yet here in York all we get on the next day is a couple of bus routes going direct from one shopping point to another, not connecting any people living off the main roads in between. If the 3 was running, it could have honoured local stops along Taddy road, the & could have run around Broadway and Heslington Road, and the 9 could have at least run a loop around New Lane, Jockey Lane, Monks Cross shops, then the P&R site. The current setup for Park and Ride isn't ideal anyway, as the whole point is that it is supposed to be seamless integration. But as it stands you park your car and then have to pay seperate fares when you board the bus, and at Monks Cross you still have to have validated your parking. It would be better if you parked up and were charged a flat price depending on vehicle size and how long you'd be there for (ie, 4x4 parked on a 'half day' tariff would cost the same as a Smart car parked on an 'all day' tariff).... unless you go the environmental-awaren ess way and charge people based on "how much carbon is saved" for those who believe in all that hocum - for example a 4x4 parked up at the P&R site saves more CO2 compared to driving it into the city than the equivalent journey if a Smart car is parked there, in which case there could be some financial incentive for drivers of larger vehicles to park up and bus it to the city. But whatever way, it should be that parking is paid for and in return you are given a group ticket for all those travelling in your vehicle, only valid if all people in the group travel together, and is valid for up to 6 journeys (3 returns) within the operating hours of the service. This would allow for people to buy shopping and take it back to the car without having to buy another bus ticket.....[/p][/quote]so what you are saying is because you are on rubbish conditions everyone should be? Charming... Tragic Man!

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