Park&Ride bus fares to rise in New Year (From York Press)

Does this mean more bikes on the roads?

So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?

bolero wrote:
So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?

Exactly!!!! Why bother going into town when you can get all you want from out of town retailing sites

sheps lad wrote:
Does this mean more bikes on the roads?

Hopefully. Safety in numbers. When more people cycle it becomes safer and more people do it.

Less crowded roads and hopefully less wheezing unfit lumps of lard clogging up the NHS.

I already pay not £2.60 but £3.50 return on the Park & Ride, from an intermediate stop. As often as not, I then have to stand. The P&R is the only frequent and direct bus service into town from Rawcliffe, so I generally save my money and walk.

But hey - I'm just a York resident and council tax payer, who funds the free parking and subsidises the reduced fares that benefit people who don't live here and the city centre businesses where they spend their money.

yorkiemum wrote:

bolero wrote:
So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?

Exactly!!!! Why bother going into town when you can get all you want from out of town retailing sites

Which is why we are seeing such a rise in out of town shops, soon we will see more and more shops in town disappearing because of this. It can only be a bad thing because you rarely get a small retailer in an out of town shopping park so all this does is crush small businesses and help the big businesses. What a crap world we live in thanks to capitalism.

Paul Meoff wrote:

sheps lad wrote:
Does this mean more bikes on the roads?

Hopefully. Safety in numbers. When more people cycle it becomes safer and more people do it.

Less crowded roads and hopefully less wheezing unfit lumps of lard clogging up the NHS.

Troll

bolero wrote:
So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?

£3.90 for three hours for residents? Where was that? I parked at Tower car park this morning for three hours and it cost me £5.90. (Resident)

Still, I'd rather pay that than hump all my shopping home on the crowded bus after a long wait in the cold and rain!

90p per hour at Sainsbury's!!
4 hours = £3.60 for two people ... No brainer.

Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market.
Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!!

Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.

You can park off behind the station for £2.50

You can park off behind the station for £2.50

livewithit wrote:
Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market.
Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!!

Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.

you cant kick out a private company, thats like saying we should kick tesco out of york cos their mince pies are worse than marls and spencers mince pies......

Burkett swish pack wrote:
You can park off behind the station for £2.50

Only at weekends

Keeet Lemon wrote:

Paul Meoff wrote:

sheps lad wrote:
Does this mean more bikes on the roads?

Hopefully. Safety in numbers. When more people cycle it becomes safer and more people do it.

Less crowded roads and hopefully less wheezing unfit lumps of lard clogging up the NHS.

Troll

Explain.... how can somebody be a troll for posting a frank and honest point? Unless you take exception to the "wheezing unfit lump of lard" comment for one particular reason....

Another January, another fare hike.

This is ridiculous. I agree with high city centre charges, York cannot cope with much traffic in the middle. But you facilitate that by making it overwhelmingly worthwhile to Park n Ride, surely?

Woody G Mellor wrote:

bolero wrote: So free parking at monks Cross and Clifton Moor. £5.70p For 3 hours parking in York (£3.90p-residents.) £5.20p return for two adults on P & R. What's the point?

£3.90 for three hours for residents? Where was that? I parked at Tower car park this morning for three hours and it cost me £5.90. (Resident) Still, I'd rather pay that than hump all my shopping home on the crowded bus after a long wait in the cold and rain!

I don't know where Tower car park is but it doesn't appear on the Car park map. In any case it's time you got yourself a resident's permit Woody.

should be free

scooterboy wrote:
should be free

Agree it should be free at point of use. However, buses cost money as does fuel and the drivers won't be volunteers.

Combination of local and central tax with a York congestion charge could be an answer. Top it up with fines from rigorously applied speeding laws.

TERRIER3

I say kick them out because they cannot run a decent bus service in York FULL STOP.

You try using there service - I speak from bad experience !!!

Not just P&R !

Said it before, all towns will soon just be residential housing areas, with no shops.
Local independents and even the larger town shops will vanish as we all turn to shopping out of town and purchasing on-line due to being priced out of todwn shopping.

Next step to prevent this will be a Taxation for on-line shopping in the "interests" of fair competition.

Said it before, all towns will soon just be residential housing areas, with no shops.
Local independents and even the larger town shops will vanish as we all turn to shopping out of town and purchasing on-line due to being priced out of todwn shopping.

Next step to prevent this will be a Taxation for on-line shopping in the "interests" of fair competition.

I recommend going by river. It's no slower than driving down Fulford Road at peak time if you row and a great deal more pleasant.

livewithit wrote:
Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market.
Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!!

Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.

P&R bus fares are determined by the york city council, NOT First York bus company.

Who decides on the fare prices? It's a joint venture between First York, which operates the service with City of York Council, said the increases were due to, and in line with, inflation.

Now think back to the recent reduced Government funding announced by Piggy Pickles.

"Eric Pickles outlines funding cuts for England councils. The communities secretary told MPs the wealthiest councils face average funding cuts of 8.7% for 2013-14"

With these kind of cuts hitting the people who have to live in elected councils areas, somethings sadly have to give in order for the councils to survive and avoid falling into Piggy Pickles trap of failure.

Doesn't take a genius to work out that Park & Rise and refuge bins etc etc are hit under this kind of financial abuse by the tory led coalition to pay for their Banker friends complete **** up.

three P&R sites are operating today (boxing day) drivers been paid £30ph site supervisors £40ph james street staff on duty more or less same rate of pay for the 10 hours of running the service and whats MORE its a Free service paid for by CyC Oh I mean us tax payers !!!
another waste of tax payers money !!!!

TERRIER3 wrote:

livewithit wrote:
Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market.
Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!!

Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.

you cant kick out a private company, thats like saying we should kick tesco out of york cos their mince pies are worse than marls and spencers mince pies......

First York have a five year contract with the council to run the park and ride services so the council does have a veto on price increases. Its down to this deal that newer buses were provided and an annual payment to the council.
On the question of the free park and ride service today, this is only because Labour responded to city centre traders demands and are offering free city centre parking today. That will probably cost the council more in lost revenue than the wages of park and ride drivers for the day does.

greenmonkey wrote:

TERRIER3 wrote:

livewithit wrote:
Careful, all the plans to build new P&R sites ! You will get them built then cost yourselves out of the market.
Who want's to pay over the odds to visit a city full of charity / coffee shops !!!

Bout time we kicked first york out anyway.

you cant kick out a private company, thats like saying we should kick tesco out of york cos their mince pies are worse than marls and spencers mince pies......

First York have a five year contract with the council to run the park and ride services so the council does have a veto on price increases. Its down to this deal that newer buses were provided and an annual payment to the council.
On the question of the free park and ride service today, this is only because Labour responded to city centre traders demands and are offering free city centre parking today. That will probably cost the council more in lost revenue than the wages of park and ride drivers for the day does.

The very limited Park&Ride service today, Boxing Day, and the total lack of any other bus service within the city and from surrounding villages, has been totally ignored by the media.
This prevents older and disabled citizens from travel, either to shop, visit relatives or just to get out into the commodity, unless of course they drive(or cycle").
Concessions are of no use where there is no public transport.
This is yet another example of how a large section of society has again been discounted by our so called leaders.
If this applies to you make your voice heard and complain!

Why didn't CYC/ Last dork help provide buses on Non Park and Stupid ride and help fund services on other routes (number 10 upwards).

Dennis.Dart wrote:
three P&R sites are operating today (boxing day) drivers been paid £30ph site supervisors £40ph james street staff on duty more or less same rate of pay for the 10 hours of running the service and whats MORE its a Free service paid for by CyC Oh I mean us tax payers !!!
another waste of tax payers money !!!!

£30 per hour to drive a bus? I was working on Boxing Day (mainly marking sandwiches down to 10p) and I doubt I will have even been getting £7 an hour, on a 6 hour shift with just 15 minutes of break counted from the second you step off the floor you're working on, which is a nuisance if your locker and break room is on the top floor and even mor annoying if the vending machine plays stupid sods and decided not to dispense crisps therefore forcing the person outside to go to a nearby shop to buy crisps.

As there's quite a few people working on Boxing Day now, I fail to see why buses and trains still run to the archaic "nobody does anything so no service is needed" principle. In Manchester there was even a bus service running on Christmas Day (to and from the airport, run by Stagecoach), yet here in York all we get on the next day is a couple of bus routes going direct from one shopping point to another, not connecting any people living off the main roads in between. If the 3 was running, it could have honoured local stops along Taddy road, the & could have run around Broadway and Heslington Road, and the 9 could have at least run a loop around New Lane, Jockey Lane, Monks Cross shops, then the P&R site.


The current setup for Park and Ride isn't ideal anyway, as the whole point is that it is supposed to be seamless integration. But as it stands you park your car and then have to pay seperate fares when you board the bus, and at Monks Cross you still have to have validated your parking. It would be better if you parked up and were charged a flat price depending on vehicle size and how long you'd be there for (ie, 4x4 parked on a 'half day' tariff would cost the same as a Smart car parked on an 'all day' tariff).... unless you go the environmental-awaren
ess way and charge people based on "how much carbon is saved" for those who believe in all that hocum - for example a 4x4 parked up at the P&R site saves more CO2 compared to driving it into the city than the equivalent journey if a Smart car is parked there, in which case there could be some financial incentive for drivers of larger vehicles to park up and bus it to the city. But whatever way, it should be that parking is paid for and in return you are given a group ticket for all those travelling in your vehicle, only valid if all people in the group travel together, and is valid for up to 6 journeys (3 returns) within the operating hours of the service. This would allow for people to buy shopping and take it back to the car without having to buy another bus ticket.....

I won't bother quoting `Magicman's` long winded tirade except to say that it hasn't been necessary to validate your parking ticket at Monks Cross for many, many months. The barrier tolls were taken out of commission probably before last christmas. Incidentally that was another waste of money but that's another story.

In Manchester there was even a bus service running on Christmas Day (to and from the airport, run by Stagecoach)


Where abouts is York airport?? Do we need a bus service there on boxing day like Manchester??

PKH wrote:

Burkett swish pack wrote:
You can park off behind the station for £2.50

Only at weekends

Yep only at weekends and it went up from £2.50 to £4.00 before Christmas!

Caecilius wrote:
I already pay not £2.60 but £3.50 return on the Park & Ride, from an intermediate stop. As often as not, I then have to stand. The P&R is the only frequent and direct bus service into town from Rawcliffe, so I generally save my money and walk.

But hey - I'm just a York resident and council tax payer, who funds the free parking and subsidises the reduced fares that benefit people who don't live here and the city centre businesses where they spend their money.

Ditto well stated. I am in the same scenario as you. Also if you buy a single on the Rawcliffe P&R it is already £2.20 and not £2 as stated above. I don't know why, maybe somebody from FY could explain this and also will this fare be rising as well?

Caecilius wrote:
I already pay not £2.60 but £3.50 return on the Park & Ride, from an intermediate stop. As often as not, I then have to stand. The P&R is the only frequent and direct bus service into town from Rawcliffe, so I generally save my money and walk. But hey - I'm just a York resident and council tax payer, who funds the free parking and subsidises the reduced fares that benefit people who don't live here and the city centre businesses where they spend their money.

Intermediate stops should never have been allowed, it's a park and ride not a local bus service. I gave up on the P&R years ago when more often than not I had to stand in the rain for over an hour every evening watching bus after bus fail to stop becaus it was full. The problem only got worse when they added intermediate stops,, if you report it the guy with the high viz and clipboard would appear, the buses would stop but as soon as he left it was back to normal. How is this supposed to encourage people to use the bus rather than drive in?

Magicman! wrote:

Dennis.Dart wrote:
three P&R sites are operating today (boxing day) drivers been paid £30ph site supervisors £40ph james street staff on duty more or less same rate of pay for the 10 hours of running the service and whats MORE its a Free service paid for by CyC Oh I mean us tax payers !!!
another waste of tax payers money !!!!

£30 per hour to drive a bus? I was working on Boxing Day (mainly marking sandwiches down to 10p) and I doubt I will have even been getting £7 an hour, on a 6 hour shift with just 15 minutes of break counted from the second you step off the floor you're working on, which is a nuisance if your locker and break room is on the top floor and even mor annoying if the vending machine plays stupid sods and decided not to dispense crisps therefore forcing the person outside to go to a nearby shop to buy crisps.

As there's quite a few people working on Boxing Day now, I fail to see why buses and trains still run to the archaic "nobody does anything so no service is needed" principle. In Manchester there was even a bus service running on Christmas Day (to and from the airport, run by Stagecoach), yet here in York all we get on the next day is a couple of bus routes going direct from one shopping point to another, not connecting any people living off the main roads in between. If the 3 was running, it could have honoured local stops along Taddy road, the & could have run around Broadway and Heslington Road, and the 9 could have at least run a loop around New Lane, Jockey Lane, Monks Cross shops, then the P&R site.


The current setup for Park and Ride isn't ideal anyway, as the whole point is that it is supposed to be seamless integration. But as it stands you park your car and then have to pay seperate fares when you board the bus, and at Monks Cross you still have to have validated your parking. It would be better if you parked up and were charged a flat price depending on vehicle size and how long you'd be there for (ie, 4x4 parked on a 'half day' tariff would cost the same as a Smart car parked on an 'all day' tariff).... unless you go the environmental-awaren

ess way and charge people based on "how much carbon is saved" for those who believe in all that hocum - for example a 4x4 parked up at the P&R site saves more CO2 compared to driving it into the city than the equivalent journey if a Smart car is parked there, in which case there could be some financial incentive for drivers of larger vehicles to park up and bus it to the city. But whatever way, it should be that parking is paid for and in return you are given a group ticket for all those travelling in your vehicle, only valid if all people in the group travel together, and is valid for up to 6 journeys (3 returns) within the operating hours of the service. This would allow for people to buy shopping and take it back to the car without having to buy another bus ticket.....

so what you are saying is because you are on rubbish conditions everyone should be? Charming...