Police and council vow to get tough on drivers flouting Coppergate restrictions

TOUGHER measures are to be put in place to cut congestion on one of York’s busiest city-centre roads and make it easier for buses and taxis to travel through the city.

The new controls in Coppergate will see automatic number-plate recognition (ANPR) cameras being installed next year as North Yorkshire Police and City of York Council take on joint responsibility for enforcement action.

Cars will be prevented from using Coppergate between 7am and 7pm, when it will be reserved for buses, taxis and cyclists – it is currently reserved between 8am and 6pm.

Other vehicles will be allowed to use the route for loading and unloading from 10am – an hour later than the current start-time – until 4pm.

Restrictions have been in place on Coppergate since the 1960s, but only enforced infrequently.

The new cameras will operate from April 1 after more than 600 motorists illegally used Coppergate during a day of enforcement action last year.

Coun Dave Merrett, cabinet member for transport, planning and sustainability, said: “By reducing the volume of illicit vehicles during the day and restricting loading and unloading during the peak commuter and congestion hours, we will help buses, taxis and cyclists get through this extremely narrow road more easily.

“This will improve public transport journey times and reliability and address frequently-raised concerns about the punctuality of buses in the mornings.”

Frank Wood, chairman of the York Retail Forum, said: “This is a narrow road and an important bus route.

“It is also important to keep pedestrian areas clear and safe, to allow freedom of access for visitors.

“There are already regulations in force to restrict traffic and the method of enforcing these regulations needs to be effective and sustainable and I am happy to support the move towards ANPR cameras.”

Inspector Mark Henderson, of North Yorkshire Police, said “numerous” enforcement operations in Coppergate and issuing hundreds of fines had made “no noticeable difference”, making the new measures necessary.

John Carr, chairman of York’s Quality Bus Partnership, said they would “help achieve the more reliable cross-city services everybody wants to see”.

A two-week grace period will be in place from Monday, March 18.

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10:53am Fri 7 Dec 12

typhoon75 says...

From April 1st 2013...... Is this just going to be another april fools joke considering how much they have NOT dealt with this street in the past!!!!!!!!!!!
From April 1st 2013...... Is this just going to be another april fools joke considering how much they have NOT dealt with this street in the past!!!!!!!!!!! typhoon75
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11:08am Fri 7 Dec 12

pedalling paul says...

The ANPR system will be much more efficient, but will it usefully replace the oft-maligned rising bollard on Stonebow?
The ANPR system will be much more efficient, but will it usefully replace the oft-maligned rising bollard on Stonebow? pedalling paul
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11:12am Fri 7 Dec 12

NickPheas says...

Most of the cars one sees breaking the rules seem to have a layer of filth over their back numberplates as is.
Perhaps what's really needed are some bobbies in the vicinity of the beat, rather than just going to another easily dodged technical fix.
Most of the cars one sees breaking the rules seem to have a layer of filth over their back numberplates as is. Perhaps what's really needed are some bobbies in the vicinity of the beat, rather than just going to another easily dodged technical fix. NickPheas
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11:26am Fri 7 Dec 12

Kevin Turvey says...

Yeah right!

Even the other day when the waste of space member of the royal family visited york there were two coppers with a road closed sign to isolate the convoy at the Ouse bridge end of coppergate.
I personely saw 4 cars drive along coppergate from the pavement end and the coppers just waved them through and moved the sign out of the way
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Obviously more interested in doffing their hats to the waste of oxygen in the VIP convoy!

However they were actually witnessing 4 drivers breaking the law and did nothing at all!

So even when police are present in large numbers (as they were everywhere) they do nothing at all.

What are you going to do about that Police commissioner Mulligan?

Nothing, just like your subordinates!
However expect a police rise in your council tax DEMAND.
Yeah right! Even the other day when the waste of space member of the royal family visited york there were two coppers with a road closed sign to isolate the convoy at the Ouse bridge end of coppergate. I personely saw 4 cars drive along coppergate from the pavement end and the coppers just waved them through and moved the sign out of the way . Obviously more interested in doffing their hats to the waste of oxygen in the VIP convoy! However they were actually witnessing 4 drivers breaking the law and did nothing at all! So even when police are present in large numbers (as they were everywhere) they do nothing at all. What are you going to do about that Police commissioner Mulligan? Nothing, just like your subordinates! However expect a police rise in your council tax DEMAND. Kevin Turvey
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11:32am Fri 7 Dec 12

Kevin Turvey says...

Also Merrett is stating that it will be easier to get down the street for buses, taxis and cyclists.

Its not the illegal traffic that holds them up, its the vehicles that are allowed to unload that park there that stop the traffic.

Typical pointless council generated costly excercise of an unneeded infrastructure project with a cost of how many hundreds of thousands ?

When that is not the root cause of the so called traffic delay.

A regular police operation could yield thousands of pounds in fines every couple of weeks.
People would get the message eventually.

You cannot educate spam!
Also Merrett is stating that it will be easier to get down the street for buses, taxis and cyclists. Its not the illegal traffic that holds them up, its the vehicles that are allowed to unload that park there that stop the traffic. Typical pointless council generated costly excercise of an unneeded infrastructure project with a cost of how many hundreds of thousands ? When that is not the root cause of the so called traffic delay. A regular police operation could yield thousands of pounds in fines every couple of weeks. People would get the message eventually. You cannot educate spam! Kevin Turvey
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11:41am Fri 7 Dec 12

Ignatius Lumpopo says...

ANPR in York - at last! Buy half a dozen and put them at Bootham Bar, Lendal, Micklegate Bar, Acomb Shops, Fishergate and Hopgrove and charge miscreants £30 every time they shoot a red light. Assuming one vehicle goes through on red every eight minutes during the 15 busiest hours of the day, CoYC would make almost £24,000 a week from Bootham Bar alone.
ANPR in York - at last! Buy half a dozen and put them at Bootham Bar, Lendal, Micklegate Bar, Acomb Shops, Fishergate and Hopgrove and charge miscreants £30 every time they shoot a red light. Assuming one vehicle goes through on red every eight minutes during the 15 busiest hours of the day, CoYC would make almost £24,000 a week from Bootham Bar alone. Ignatius Lumpopo
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11:44am Fri 7 Dec 12

MouseHouse says...

Well over time. Perhaps repairing the road surface would also improve traffic flow.
Well over time. Perhaps repairing the road surface would also improve traffic flow. MouseHouse
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12:14pm Fri 7 Dec 12

xtc says...

typhoon75 wrote:
From April 1st 2013...... Is this just going to be another april fools joke considering how much they have NOT dealt with this street in the past!!!!!!!!!!!
True nothing will happen as usual,will anyone get fined at all.
[quote][p][bold]typhoon75[/bold] wrote: From April 1st 2013...... Is this just going to be another april fools joke considering how much they have NOT dealt with this street in the past!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]True nothing will happen as usual,will anyone get fined at all. xtc
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12:25pm Fri 7 Dec 12

DEKKA says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
ANPR in York - at last! Buy half a dozen and put them at Bootham Bar, Lendal, Micklegate Bar, Acomb Shops, Fishergate and Hopgrove and charge miscreants £30 every time they shoot a red light. Assuming one vehicle goes through on red every eight minutes during the 15 busiest hours of the day, CoYC would make almost £24,000 a week from Bootham Bar alone.
Vehicles continually ignore the lights turning red at Micklgate Bar. One, two, sometimes three at a time. Are the council interested?..are they **** :)
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: ANPR in York - at last! Buy half a dozen and put them at Bootham Bar, Lendal, Micklegate Bar, Acomb Shops, Fishergate and Hopgrove and charge miscreants £30 every time they shoot a red light. Assuming one vehicle goes through on red every eight minutes during the 15 busiest hours of the day, CoYC would make almost £24,000 a week from Bootham Bar alone.[/p][/quote]Vehicles continually ignore the lights turning red at Micklgate Bar. One, two, sometimes three at a time. Are the council interested?..are they **** :) DEKKA
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12:26pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Jackanory2 says...

Pedestrianise it, it isn't the cars that are the problem its the buses, their will be death some day. The road is not wide enough.
Pedestrianise it, it isn't the cars that are the problem its the buses, their will be death some day. The road is not wide enough. Jackanory2
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12:31pm Fri 7 Dec 12

keepitshut says...

ANPR? Suppose its better than a rising bollard, the one at Stonebow hasnt worked for the last 4 weeks, open season for everybody!
ANPR? Suppose its better than a rising bollard, the one at Stonebow hasnt worked for the last 4 weeks, open season for everybody! keepitshut
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12:52pm Fri 7 Dec 12

bolero says...

Why a period of grace? The law breakers have had many many years of grace in this restricted road without action being taken. There time is up, now there will be the means of catching them. A period of grace is not the right way to implement a law surely. Do 'em!
Why a period of grace? The law breakers have had many many years of grace in this restricted road without action being taken. There time is up, now there will be the means of catching them. A period of grace is not the right way to implement a law surely. Do 'em! bolero
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12:54pm Fri 7 Dec 12

big boy york says...

just witnessed a near miss at bootham /gillygate/ ex sq, arrow comes on at ex sq to go down bootham, odd ball in outside lane decides hes off down gillygate, 2 cars bumper to bumper, police van on bootham ist at lights did he do ought, did he frig too busy on his mobile & we expect them to police coppergate
just witnessed a near miss at bootham /gillygate/ ex sq, arrow comes on at ex sq to go down bootham, odd ball in outside lane decides hes off down gillygate, 2 cars bumper to bumper, police van on bootham ist at lights did he do ought, did he frig too busy on his mobile & we expect them to police coppergate big boy york
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12:56pm Fri 7 Dec 12

roskoboskovic says...

if i had a pound for every time that this has been mentioned in the press i would have a tidy sum.why is it not policed properly.they don t have any qualms about prosecuting other motoring offences but this is just a long running farce.
if i had a pound for every time that this has been mentioned in the press i would have a tidy sum.why is it not policed properly.they don t have any qualms about prosecuting other motoring offences but this is just a long running farce. roskoboskovic
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1:06pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

big boy york wrote:
just witnessed a near miss at bootham /gillygate/ ex sq, arrow comes on at ex sq to go down bootham, odd ball in outside lane decides hes off down gillygate, 2 cars bumper to bumper, police van on bootham ist at lights did he do ought, did he frig too busy on his mobile & we expect them to police coppergate
Cars in the Gillygate lane setting off when the Bootham lane get green happens multiple times daily.
I see it all the time.
It's a confusing junction. And some people are numpties.

I agree the police should react if they are there when it happens.
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: just witnessed a near miss at bootham /gillygate/ ex sq, arrow comes on at ex sq to go down bootham, odd ball in outside lane decides hes off down gillygate, 2 cars bumper to bumper, police van on bootham ist at lights did he do ought, did he frig too busy on his mobile & we expect them to police coppergate[/p][/quote]Cars in the Gillygate lane setting off when the Bootham lane get green happens multiple times daily. I see it all the time. It's a confusing junction. And some people are numpties. I agree the police should react if they are there when it happens. Buzz Light-year
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1:08pm Fri 7 Dec 12

MouseHouse says...

roskoboskovic wrote:
if i had a pound for every time that this has been mentioned in the press i would have a tidy sum.why is it not policed properly.they don t have any qualms about prosecuting other motoring offences but this is just a long running farce.
seconded.
[quote][p][bold]roskoboskovic[/bold] wrote: if i had a pound for every time that this has been mentioned in the press i would have a tidy sum.why is it not policed properly.they don t have any qualms about prosecuting other motoring offences but this is just a long running farce.[/p][/quote]seconded. MouseHouse
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2:01pm Fri 7 Dec 12

York1900 says...

Ignatius Lumpopo wrote:
ANPR in York - at last! Buy half a dozen and put them at Bootham Bar, Lendal, Micklegate Bar, Acomb Shops, Fishergate and Hopgrove and charge miscreants £30 every time they shoot a red light. Assuming one vehicle goes through on red every eight minutes during the 15 busiest hours of the day, CoYC would make almost £24,000 a week from Bootham Bar alone.
You forgot Lord Mayor’s walk and Gillygate junction
[quote][p][bold]Ignatius Lumpopo[/bold] wrote: ANPR in York - at last! Buy half a dozen and put them at Bootham Bar, Lendal, Micklegate Bar, Acomb Shops, Fishergate and Hopgrove and charge miscreants £30 every time they shoot a red light. Assuming one vehicle goes through on red every eight minutes during the 15 busiest hours of the day, CoYC would make almost £24,000 a week from Bootham Bar alone.[/p][/quote]You forgot Lord Mayor’s walk and Gillygate junction York1900
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2:23pm Fri 7 Dec 12

alfie says...

Cyclists are more of a hazard than cars going through these york streets I have seen numerous people getting run over by bikes, they just walk out in front of them. With cars they can hear them coming and the driver also tends to be more cautious.
Cyclists are more of a hazard than cars going through these york streets I have seen numerous people getting run over by bikes, they just walk out in front of them. With cars they can hear them coming and the driver also tends to be more cautious. alfie
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2:41pm Fri 7 Dec 12

bricky9999 says...

it will make ycc a lot of money when they set this up it works in leeds i went into a bus lane at leeds, to drop off then a week later i had 3 photos of me in a bus lane. game over, had to pay £30 fine, good photos too game over banged to rights
it will make ycc a lot of money when they set this up it works in leeds i went into a bus lane at leeds, to drop off then a week later i had 3 photos of me in a bus lane. game over, had to pay £30 fine, good photos too game over banged to rights bricky9999
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2:47pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Guy Fawkes says...

Its not the illegal traffic that holds them up, its the vehicles that are allowed to unload that park there that stop the traffic.


And the added restrictions on them will mean that deliveries to businesses inside the anti-motorist jihad zone will become more expensive (lorry drivers, for some reason, want to be paid more for working antisocial hours), those costs will be passed on to customers, and those customers will increasingly desert the city centre for Monks Cross and Clifton Moor.

ANPR in York - at last! Buy half a dozen and put them at Bootham Bar, Lendal, Micklegate Bar, Acomb Shops, Fishergate and Hopgrove and charge miscreants £30 every time they shoot a red light.


OK, just as long as you also reprogram the lights so that they are not deliberately programmed to cause traffic jams, which I'm convinced is the case at the moment, Bootham Bar being a prime example.
[quote]Its not the illegal traffic that holds them up, its the vehicles that are allowed to unload that park there that stop the traffic.[/quote] And the added restrictions on them will mean that deliveries to businesses inside the anti-motorist jihad zone will become more expensive (lorry drivers, for some reason, want to be paid more for working antisocial hours), those costs will be passed on to customers, and those customers will increasingly desert the city centre for Monks Cross and Clifton Moor. [quote]ANPR in York - at last! Buy half a dozen and put them at Bootham Bar, Lendal, Micklegate Bar, Acomb Shops, Fishergate and Hopgrove and charge miscreants £30 every time they shoot a red light.[/quote] OK, just as long as you also reprogram the lights so that they are not deliberately programmed to cause traffic jams, which I'm convinced is the case at the moment, Bootham Bar being a prime example. Guy Fawkes
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2:49pm Fri 7 Dec 12

sparkseffect says...

Every time the police do something about Coppergate, it creates more congestion while they write tickets out, then those who drive up there when they shouldn't will just carry on for the next six months until the next check. ANPR will catch them every time, and no traffic jam. About time too. Ker-ching! I agree with KT's comment about vehicles unloading, though - some enforcement of the peak loading ban in Pavement would help.
Every time the police do something about Coppergate, it creates more congestion while they write tickets out, then those who drive up there when they shouldn't will just carry on for the next six months until the next check. ANPR will catch them every time, and no traffic jam. About time too. Ker-ching! I agree with KT's comment about vehicles unloading, though - some enforcement of the peak loading ban in Pavement would help. sparkseffect
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2:56pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Fifth attempt says...

alfie says...
2:alfie says...
2:23pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Cyclists are more of a hazard than cars going through these york streets I have seen numerous people getting run over by bikes, they just walk out in front of them. With cars they can hear them coming and the driver also tends to be more cautious.”

Then surely its the pedestrians fault? Shouldn't you always look before crossing a road. Cyclists are allowed down Coppergate so if a pedestrian decides to cross without looking then its their fault if they get knocked over.
alfie says... 2:alfie says... 2:23pm Fri 7 Dec 12 Cyclists are more of a hazard than cars going through these york streets I have seen numerous people getting run over by bikes, they just walk out in front of them. With cars they can hear them coming and the driver also tends to be more cautious.” Then surely its the pedestrians fault? Shouldn't you always look before crossing a road. Cyclists are allowed down Coppergate so if a pedestrian decides to cross without looking then its their fault if they get knocked over. Fifth attempt
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3:03pm Fri 7 Dec 12

MouseHouse says...

alfie wrote:
Cyclists are more of a hazard than cars going through these york streets I have seen numerous people getting run over by bikes, they just walk out in front of them. With cars they can hear them coming and the driver also tends to be more cautious.
not always true now. The electric cars are amazingly quiet. Have been overtaken whilst cycling by a few of them.

The roads are in a poor state with no real sign of improvment, the population is getting older and cars are getting quieter. It's a very different road environment to thirty / forty years ago.
[quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: Cyclists are more of a hazard than cars going through these york streets I have seen numerous people getting run over by bikes, they just walk out in front of them. With cars they can hear them coming and the driver also tends to be more cautious.[/p][/quote]not always true now. The electric cars are amazingly quiet. Have been overtaken whilst cycling by a few of them. The roads are in a poor state with no real sign of improvment, the population is getting older and cars are getting quieter. It's a very different road environment to thirty / forty years ago. MouseHouse
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3:15pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Pete the Brickie says...

This is all vital stuff for the council and police alike I know, but please for the love of God can both of them do something to ease traffic flow through the town in situations like today when the A64 is closed.

The police have traffic officers and PCSO's by the dozen when the races are on to manually control traffic lights and the council are able to do it from their desks via cameras, where were they today?
This is all vital stuff for the council and police alike I know, but please for the love of God can both of them do something to ease traffic flow through the town in situations like today when the A64 is closed. The police have traffic officers and PCSO's by the dozen when the races are on to manually control traffic lights and the council are able to do it from their desks via cameras, where were they today? Pete the Brickie
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3:18pm Fri 7 Dec 12

bob the builder says...

NickPheas wrote:
Most of the cars one sees breaking the rules seem to have a layer of filth over their back numberplates as is.
Perhaps what's really needed are some bobbies in the vicinity of the beat, rather than just going to another easily dodged technical fix.
It's the front that the ANPR usually takes for that very reason, plus the tax disc is in the picture with the details on. Of course the flipside will be that you can registration plates online for £14 a pair, like London's congestion charge there will be a spate of farm tractors etc getting tickets when it is commissioned.
[quote][p][bold]NickPheas[/bold] wrote: Most of the cars one sees breaking the rules seem to have a layer of filth over their back numberplates as is. Perhaps what's really needed are some bobbies in the vicinity of the beat, rather than just going to another easily dodged technical fix.[/p][/quote]It's the front that the ANPR usually takes for that very reason, plus the tax disc is in the picture with the details on. Of course the flipside will be that you can registration plates online for £14 a pair, like London's congestion charge there will be a spate of farm tractors etc getting tickets when it is commissioned. bob the builder
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3:21pm Fri 7 Dec 12

bob the builder says...

big boy york wrote:
just witnessed a near miss at bootham /gillygate/ ex sq, arrow comes on at ex sq to go down bootham, odd ball in outside lane decides hes off down gillygate, 2 cars bumper to bumper, police van on bootham ist at lights did he do ought, did he frig too busy on his mobile & we expect them to police coppergate
I'm installing a dashboard camera in our vehicles, I'll then be posting any interesting footage like that online, that usually elicits action, there's nothing like embarrassing those in 'control'. It's commonplace abroad for insurance purposes.
[quote][p][bold]big boy york[/bold] wrote: just witnessed a near miss at bootham /gillygate/ ex sq, arrow comes on at ex sq to go down bootham, odd ball in outside lane decides hes off down gillygate, 2 cars bumper to bumper, police van on bootham ist at lights did he do ought, did he frig too busy on his mobile & we expect them to police coppergate[/p][/quote]I'm installing a dashboard camera in our vehicles, I'll then be posting any interesting footage like that online, that usually elicits action, there's nothing like embarrassing those in 'control'. It's commonplace abroad for insurance purposes. bob the builder
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4:28pm Fri 7 Dec 12

York1900 says...

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4:30pm Fri 7 Dec 12

eeoodares says...

I am guessing the vast majority of people moaning about everything are unemployed or retired with nothing else in their sad little lives to worry about. Are these really the issues that burn your soul? Near misses between pedestrians and cyclists? lighten up or grow up! If cars get confused at a junction, cut them some slack, this is a tourist city and mistakes will happen with visitors, should police pounce every time NO. If they did they would do nothing else all day everyday!

If this forum was truly representative of the people of York we would have no tourists, no businesses and no hope.
I am guessing the vast majority of people moaning about everything are unemployed or retired with nothing else in their sad little lives to worry about. Are these really the issues that burn your soul? Near misses between pedestrians and cyclists? lighten up or grow up! If cars get confused at a junction, cut them some slack, this is a tourist city and mistakes will happen with visitors, should police pounce every time NO. If they did they would do nothing else all day everyday! If this forum was truly representative of the people of York we would have no tourists, no businesses and no hope. eeoodares
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4:48pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Burkett swish pack says...

Red light cameras and box junction cameras would sort a lot of problems of driving across or through York.
Red light cameras and box junction cameras would sort a lot of problems of driving across or through York. Burkett swish pack
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5:19pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Guy Fawkes says...

some enforcement of the peak loading ban in Pavement would help


And then the shopkeepers who have to stay late at night or come in to work at the crack of dawn to receive deliveries from the drivers who are on triple overtime rates for working at those times will take one look at their rising overheads and think 'Bugger this - I'm off to Monks Cross, where I can rent a retail unit for half the price and get my deliveries cheaper and at a time that works for me.'

These calls to get tough on motorists are all well and good if you want to drive (in both senses of the word) economic activity out of the city centre and only have residences and open spaces within the city walls.
[quote] some enforcement of the peak loading ban in Pavement would help[/quote] And then the shopkeepers who have to stay late at night or come in to work at the crack of dawn to receive deliveries from the drivers who are on triple overtime rates for working at those times will take one look at their rising overheads and think 'Bugger this - I'm off to Monks Cross, where I can rent a retail unit for half the price and get my deliveries cheaper and at a time that works for me.' These calls to get tough on motorists are all well and good if you want to drive (in both senses of the word) economic activity out of the city centre and only have residences and open spaces within the city walls. Guy Fawkes
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6:11pm Fri 7 Dec 12

matroom says...

eeoodares wrote:
I am guessing the vast majority of people moaning about everything are unemployed or retired with nothing else in their sad little lives to worry about. Are these really the issues that burn your soul? Near misses between pedestrians and cyclists? lighten up or grow up! If cars get confused at a junction, cut them some slack, this is a tourist city and mistakes will happen with visitors, should police pounce every time NO. If they did they would do nothing else all day everyday!

If this forum was truly representative of the people of York we would have no tourists, no businesses and no hope.
Love it. Someone talking sense on here for once. Every one on here seems so angry ??!!
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: I am guessing the vast majority of people moaning about everything are unemployed or retired with nothing else in their sad little lives to worry about. Are these really the issues that burn your soul? Near misses between pedestrians and cyclists? lighten up or grow up! If cars get confused at a junction, cut them some slack, this is a tourist city and mistakes will happen with visitors, should police pounce every time NO. If they did they would do nothing else all day everyday! If this forum was truly representative of the people of York we would have no tourists, no businesses and no hope.[/p][/quote]Love it. Someone talking sense on here for once. Every one on here seems so angry ??!! matroom
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6:38pm Fri 7 Dec 12

nearlyman says...

600 a day .........£50 fine................
.Council Tax is coming down then !
600 a day .........£50 fine................ .Council Tax is coming down then ! nearlyman
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6:43pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Jazzper says...

EMERGENCY services are on the scene of an accident between a car and a cyclist in York.

They collided at the junction of Beckfield Lane and Wetherby Road in Acomb at about 6pm.

Police and paramedics are on the scene but police say it is not believed to be very serious.
Hope it's not our Peddling Pal....
EMERGENCY services are on the scene of an accident between a car and a cyclist in York. They collided at the junction of Beckfield Lane and Wetherby Road in Acomb at about 6pm. Police and paramedics are on the scene but police say it is not believed to be very serious. Hope it's not our Peddling Pal.... Jazzper
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10:17pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Guy Fawkes says...

I negotiate that roundabout every day on my commute. I see motorists not indicating (even when turning right) and cyclists without lights all the time, and usually have to make an emergency brake for one about once a month. Added to which, if you're approaching the roundabout from the Boroughbridge Road side of Beckfield Lane, visibility is very poor and it's difficult to see cars turning right from the southern side of Wetherby Road, or going straight across on Beckfield Lane. I wouldn't be surprised either or even all three of these factors was involved here. The bottom line is that this roundabout is a deceptively tricky one, and motorists and cyclists both need to take more care when negotiating it.
I negotiate that roundabout every day on my commute. I see motorists not indicating (even when turning right) and cyclists without lights all the time, and usually have to make an emergency brake for one about once a month. Added to which, if you're approaching the roundabout from the Boroughbridge Road side of Beckfield Lane, visibility is very poor and it's difficult to see cars turning right from the southern side of Wetherby Road, or going straight across on Beckfield Lane. I wouldn't be surprised either or even all three of these factors was involved here. The bottom line is that this roundabout is a deceptively tricky one, and motorists and cyclists both need to take more care when negotiating it. Guy Fawkes
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4:35am Sat 8 Dec 12

Magicman! says...

Fifth attempt wrote:
alfie says...
2:alfie says...
2:23pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Cyclists are more of a hazard than cars going through these york streets I have seen numerous people getting run over by bikes, they just walk out in front of them. With cars they can hear them coming and the driver also tends to be more cautious.”

Then surely its the pedestrians fault? Shouldn't you always look before crossing a road. Cyclists are allowed down Coppergate so if a pedestrian decides to cross without looking then its their fault if they get knocked over.
Indeed... I can go down coppergate several times a week, and every time there is a pedestrian who decides to step out to/from the coppergate centre onto the road without looking. They get a fair old fright when they get a blast from my horn.

As a pedestrian in manchester several years ago I stepped out once in Cross Street, and got honked at by a bus. Gave me a fair old wake up call to look properly before crossing, so hopefully if everybody honks their horns at errant pedestrians who don't look before crossing it'll eventually get the message home.

The ANPR can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned - I shouldn't have some pugeot or other small car breathing down my neck whilst I'm cycling along there as the pug shouldn't even be there.
As regards road space, perhaps removing the under-used narrow pavement beside the church on Coppergate would give more room for buses.
[quote][p][bold]Fifth attempt[/bold] wrote: alfie says... 2:alfie says... 2:23pm Fri 7 Dec 12 Cyclists are more of a hazard than cars going through these york streets I have seen numerous people getting run over by bikes, they just walk out in front of them. With cars they can hear them coming and the driver also tends to be more cautious.” Then surely its the pedestrians fault? Shouldn't you always look before crossing a road. Cyclists are allowed down Coppergate so if a pedestrian decides to cross without looking then its their fault if they get knocked over.[/p][/quote]Indeed... I can go down coppergate several times a week, and every time there is a pedestrian who decides to step out to/from the coppergate centre onto the road without looking. They get a fair old fright when they get a blast from my horn. As a pedestrian in manchester several years ago I stepped out once in Cross Street, and got honked at by a bus. Gave me a fair old wake up call to look properly before crossing, so hopefully if everybody honks their horns at errant pedestrians who don't look before crossing it'll eventually get the message home. The ANPR can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned - I shouldn't have some pugeot or other small car breathing down my neck whilst I'm cycling along there as the pug shouldn't even be there. As regards road space, perhaps removing the under-used narrow pavement beside the church on Coppergate would give more room for buses. Magicman!
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9:23am Sat 8 Dec 12

Dennis.Dart says...

ANPR wont work as CyC will have no one to 'man' the cameras !!!!!
its been FREE for all for years 7 cars per min every day, get away with it.
use of a rising bollard that WORKS is the only way untill CyC grow some balls this will never happen
ANPR wont work as CyC will have no one to 'man' the cameras !!!!! its been FREE for all for years 7 cars per min every day, get away with it. use of a rising bollard that WORKS is the only way untill CyC grow some balls this will never happen Dennis.Dart
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11:30am Sat 8 Dec 12

bob the builder says...

eeoodares wrote:
I am guessing the vast majority of people moaning about everything are unemployed or retired with nothing else in their sad little lives to worry about. Are these really the issues that burn your soul? Near misses between pedestrians and cyclists? lighten up or grow up! If cars get confused at a junction, cut them some slack, this is a tourist city and mistakes will happen with visitors, should police pounce every time NO. If they did they would do nothing else all day everyday!

If this forum was truly representative of the people of York we would have no tourists, no businesses and no hope.
We have the wrong kind of tourists (if you can call stag and hen do's that), too many businesses of the wrong sort (numerous bars, pubs and nightclubs) and yes, no hope of anything being done to help the ordinary working residents!
[quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: I am guessing the vast majority of people moaning about everything are unemployed or retired with nothing else in their sad little lives to worry about. Are these really the issues that burn your soul? Near misses between pedestrians and cyclists? lighten up or grow up! If cars get confused at a junction, cut them some slack, this is a tourist city and mistakes will happen with visitors, should police pounce every time NO. If they did they would do nothing else all day everyday! If this forum was truly representative of the people of York we would have no tourists, no businesses and no hope.[/p][/quote]We have the wrong kind of tourists (if you can call stag and hen do's that), too many businesses of the wrong sort (numerous bars, pubs and nightclubs) and yes, no hope of anything being done to help the ordinary working residents! bob the builder
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12:18pm Sat 8 Dec 12

johnwill says...

Brilliant statement from Dave Merritt, it is an extremely narrow road so why do you let double decker buses go up and down it ? The other problem here is buses cannot turn into Coppergate from High Ousegate without difficulty or out of Coppergate right into High Ousegate without courteous car drivers letting them out. The out of control number of Buses cause real congestion in the City.
Councillors, say what suits em!
Brilliant statement from Dave Merritt, it is an extremely narrow road so why do you let double decker buses go up and down it ? The other problem here is buses cannot turn into Coppergate from High Ousegate without difficulty or out of Coppergate right into High Ousegate without courteous car drivers letting them out. The out of control number of Buses cause real congestion in the City. Councillors, say what suits em! johnwill
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1:39pm Sat 8 Dec 12

Guy Fawkes says...

You clearly struggle to learn from experience.


And you clearly have a way of predicting when an unlit bicycle is suddenly going to cut across you in the dark (with you here - http://maps.google.c
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p=12,201.07,,0,18.93 - only no daylight), or when a vehicle is going to appear from the right at high speed, wtihout indicating, and on a roundabout with signs and shrubs in the middle of it (which IMO should be removed) to block your view. Do tell!
[quote]You clearly struggle to learn from experience.[/quote] And you clearly have a way of predicting when an unlit bicycle is suddenly going to cut across you in the dark (with you here - http://maps.google.c om/maps?q=Beckfield+ Lane,+York,+United+K ingdom&hl=en&ll=53.9 56898,-1.135366&spn= 0.001187,0.002937&sl l=37.0625,-95.677068 &sspn=51.841773,96.2 40234&oq=beckfield+& hq=Beckfield+Lane,&h near=York,+United+Ki ngdom&t=h&z=19&layer =c&cbll=53.956765,-1 .135385&panoid=4Vcah YzxFjjkTuaOiG433g&cb p=12,201.07,,0,18.93 - only no daylight), or when a vehicle is going to appear from the right at high speed, wtihout indicating, and on a roundabout with signs and shrubs in the middle of it (which IMO should be removed) to block your view. Do tell! Guy Fawkes
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3:20pm Sat 8 Dec 12

yorkborn66 says...

This is not the first time this story has been mentioned. For years Coppergate has been restricted to Buses and taxi including private hire as well as cycalists between certain times.
The facts are the Police previously say they do not have the recourses to police Coppergate, and the council previously say it is the job of the police they instruct.
My opinion is during restricted times Coppergate should be for Taxis, Private Hire and Buses only, NOT tour buses or coaches. Cyclists should not be allowed on this road, as this road is narrow and slows down other forms of public transport. This little road makes the difference between public transport been on time or very late.
This is not the first time this story has been mentioned. For years Coppergate has been restricted to Buses and taxi including private hire as well as cycalists between certain times. The facts are the Police previously say they do not have the recourses to police Coppergate, and the council previously say it is the job of the police they instruct. My opinion is during restricted times Coppergate should be for Taxis, Private Hire and Buses only, NOT tour buses or coaches. Cyclists should not be allowed on this road, as this road is narrow and slows down other forms of public transport. This little road makes the difference between public transport been on time or very late. yorkborn66
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3:41pm Sat 8 Dec 12

eeoodares says...

bob the builder wrote:
eeoodares wrote:
I am guessing the vast majority of people moaning about everything are unemployed or retired with nothing else in their sad little lives to worry about. Are these really the issues that burn your soul? Near misses between pedestrians and cyclists? lighten up or grow up! If cars get confused at a junction, cut them some slack, this is a tourist city and mistakes will happen with visitors, should police pounce every time NO. If they did they would do nothing else all day everyday!

If this forum was truly representative of the people of York we would have no tourists, no businesses and no hope.
We have the wrong kind of tourists (if you can call stag and hen do's that), too many businesses of the wrong sort (numerous bars, pubs and nightclubs) and yes, no hope of anything being done to help the ordinary working residents!
You are wrong, we do have 'drink tourists' but if you think they are the main type of visitor to our city I suggest you visit any of the amazing tourist attractions they are not empty neither are they full of alcohol fuelled lunatics. As far as ordinary working resident I assume you like the City, it is the way it is because of tourists and students, remove them from the equation and you are left with what? empty shops, closed restaurants stop moaning and grow up!
[quote][p][bold]bob the builder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eeoodares[/bold] wrote: I am guessing the vast majority of people moaning about everything are unemployed or retired with nothing else in their sad little lives to worry about. Are these really the issues that burn your soul? Near misses between pedestrians and cyclists? lighten up or grow up! If cars get confused at a junction, cut them some slack, this is a tourist city and mistakes will happen with visitors, should police pounce every time NO. If they did they would do nothing else all day everyday! If this forum was truly representative of the people of York we would have no tourists, no businesses and no hope.[/p][/quote]We have the wrong kind of tourists (if you can call stag and hen do's that), too many businesses of the wrong sort (numerous bars, pubs and nightclubs) and yes, no hope of anything being done to help the ordinary working residents![/p][/quote]You are wrong, we do have 'drink tourists' but if you think they are the main type of visitor to our city I suggest you visit any of the amazing tourist attractions they are not empty neither are they full of alcohol fuelled lunatics. As far as ordinary working resident I assume you like the City, it is the way it is because of tourists and students, remove them from the equation and you are left with what? empty shops, closed restaurants stop moaning and grow up! eeoodares
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5:20pm Sat 8 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

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6:14pm Sat 8 Dec 12

MrsDingledongle says...

alfie wrote:
Cyclists are more of a hazard than cars going through these york streets I have seen numerous people getting run over by bikes, they just walk out in front of them. With cars they can hear them coming and the driver also tends to be more cautious.
Alfie the way you have worded this, it is the pedestrians that are the problem, just walking out in front of bikes, not the actual cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]alfie[/bold] wrote: Cyclists are more of a hazard than cars going through these york streets I have seen numerous people getting run over by bikes, they just walk out in front of them. With cars they can hear them coming and the driver also tends to be more cautious.[/p][/quote]Alfie the way you have worded this, it is the pedestrians that are the problem, just walking out in front of bikes, not the actual cyclists. MrsDingledongle
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7:51pm Sat 8 Dec 12

pedalling paul says...

yorkborn66 wrote:
This is not the first time this story has been mentioned. For years Coppergate has been restricted to Buses and taxi including private hire as well as cycalists between certain times.
The facts are the Police previously say they do not have the recourses to police Coppergate, and the council previously say it is the job of the police they instruct.
My opinion is during restricted times Coppergate should be for Taxis, Private Hire and Buses only, NOT tour buses or coaches. Cyclists should not be allowed on this road, as this road is narrow and slows down other forms of public transport. This little road makes the difference between public transport been on time or very late.
Hands up anyone who knows what cycalists and recources are! Does he mean cyclists & resources? I think so.
[quote][p][bold]yorkborn66[/bold] wrote: This is not the first time this story has been mentioned. For years Coppergate has been restricted to Buses and taxi including private hire as well as cycalists between certain times. The facts are the Police previously say they do not have the recourses to police Coppergate, and the council previously say it is the job of the police they instruct. My opinion is during restricted times Coppergate should be for Taxis, Private Hire and Buses only, NOT tour buses or coaches. Cyclists should not be allowed on this road, as this road is narrow and slows down other forms of public transport. This little road makes the difference between public transport been on time or very late.[/p][/quote]Hands up anyone who knows what cycalists and recources are! Does he mean cyclists & resources? I think so. pedalling paul
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7:52pm Sat 8 Dec 12

pedalling paul says...

yorkborn66 wrote:
This is not the first time this story has been mentioned. For years Coppergate has been restricted to Buses and taxi including private hire as well as cycalists between certain times.
The facts are the Police previously say they do not have the recourses to police Coppergate, and the council previously say it is the job of the police they instruct.
My opinion is during restricted times Coppergate should be for Taxis, Private Hire and Buses only, NOT tour buses or coaches. Cyclists should not be allowed on this road, as this road is narrow and slows down other forms of public transport. This little road makes the difference between public transport been on time or very late.
Hands up anyone who knows what cycalists and recources are! Does he mean cyclists & resources? I think so.
[quote][p][bold]yorkborn66[/bold] wrote: This is not the first time this story has been mentioned. For years Coppergate has been restricted to Buses and taxi including private hire as well as cycalists between certain times. The facts are the Police previously say they do not have the recourses to police Coppergate, and the council previously say it is the job of the police they instruct. My opinion is during restricted times Coppergate should be for Taxis, Private Hire and Buses only, NOT tour buses or coaches. Cyclists should not be allowed on this road, as this road is narrow and slows down other forms of public transport. This little road makes the difference between public transport been on time or very late.[/p][/quote]Hands up anyone who knows what cycalists and recources are! Does he mean cyclists & resources? I think so. pedalling paul
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9:50pm Sat 8 Dec 12

Sawday2 says...

Driving in York would be so much safer without cyclists.
Driving in York would be so much safer without cyclists. Sawday2
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11:18pm Sat 8 Dec 12

eeoodares says...

Really, cyclist in York are a problem? Leeds gun crime, and massive issues in cities across the country! Yet the biggest issue on this site is a delay of 3 minutes when firms employing people have a delivery. I am proud to be a Yorkie, shame I have to share the City with narrow minded tools with nothing better to do than moan.

You live in one of the greatest places to live in the world and you moan about cyclists....
Really, cyclist in York are a problem? Leeds gun crime, and massive issues in cities across the country! Yet the biggest issue on this site is a delay of 3 minutes when firms employing people have a delivery. I am proud to be a Yorkie, shame I have to share the City with narrow minded tools with nothing better to do than moan. You live in one of the greatest places to live in the world and you moan about cyclists.... eeoodares
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12:07am Sun 9 Dec 12

yorkborn66 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
yorkborn66 wrote:
This is not the first time this story has been mentioned. For years Coppergate has been restricted to Buses and taxi including private hire as well as cycalists between certain times.
The facts are the Police previously say they do not have the recourses to police Coppergate, and the council previously say it is the job of the police they instruct.
My opinion is during restricted times Coppergate should be for Taxis, Private Hire and Buses only, NOT tour buses or coaches. Cyclists should not be allowed on this road, as this road is narrow and slows down other forms of public transport. This little road makes the difference between public transport been on time or very late.
Hands up anyone who knows what cycalists and recources are! Does he mean cyclists & resources? I think so.
correct - I have been using a speech writer.(what it says on the box).
Having some teething problems with the program as you can see, but at least you got this gist of what I meant.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkborn66[/bold] wrote: This is not the first time this story has been mentioned. For years Coppergate has been restricted to Buses and taxi including private hire as well as cycalists between certain times. The facts are the Police previously say they do not have the recourses to police Coppergate, and the council previously say it is the job of the police they instruct. My opinion is during restricted times Coppergate should be for Taxis, Private Hire and Buses only, NOT tour buses or coaches. Cyclists should not be allowed on this road, as this road is narrow and slows down other forms of public transport. This little road makes the difference between public transport been on time or very late.[/p][/quote]Hands up anyone who knows what cycalists and recources are! Does he mean cyclists & resources? I think so.[/p][/quote]correct - I have been using a speech writer.(what it says on the box). Having some teething problems with the program as you can see, but at least you got this gist of what I meant. yorkborn66
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11:51am Sun 9 Dec 12

matroom says...

pedalling paul wrote:
yorkborn66 wrote:
This is not the first time this story has been mentioned. For years Coppergate has been restricted to Buses and taxi including private hire as well as cycalists between certain times.
The facts are the Police previously say they do not have the recourses to police Coppergate, and the council previously say it is the job of the police they instruct.
My opinion is during restricted times Coppergate should be for Taxis, Private Hire and Buses only, NOT tour buses or coaches. Cyclists should not be allowed on this road, as this road is narrow and slows down other forms of public transport. This little road makes the difference between public transport been on time or very late.
Hands up anyone who knows what cycalists and recources are! Does he mean cyclists & resources? I think so.
Stop being so pedantic, you obviously knew what he meant. Your just making yourself look like a prat !!!!
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkborn66[/bold] wrote: This is not the first time this story has been mentioned. For years Coppergate has been restricted to Buses and taxi including private hire as well as cycalists between certain times. The facts are the Police previously say they do not have the recourses to police Coppergate, and the council previously say it is the job of the police they instruct. My opinion is during restricted times Coppergate should be for Taxis, Private Hire and Buses only, NOT tour buses or coaches. Cyclists should not be allowed on this road, as this road is narrow and slows down other forms of public transport. This little road makes the difference between public transport been on time or very late.[/p][/quote]Hands up anyone who knows what cycalists and recources are! Does he mean cyclists & resources? I think so.[/p][/quote]Stop being so pedantic, you obviously knew what he meant. Your just making yourself look like a prat !!!! matroom
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7:02pm Sun 9 Dec 12

goatman says...

Traffic held up in Gillygate at 16:30 on Thursday night whilst some white van numpty delivered food to Ruby Palace takeaway. Plod and Parkawayo nowhere to be seen, probably tired out after looking after Fat Andrew.
Traffic held up in Gillygate at 16:30 on Thursday night whilst some white van numpty delivered food to Ruby Palace takeaway. Plod and Parkawayo nowhere to be seen, probably tired out after looking after Fat Andrew. goatman
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11:50pm Sun 9 Dec 12

Thunderblade says...

I hope the introduction of NPR cameras on this street has the desired effect, I'm far from a "Goody twoshoes" but have always respected the rules on this and get really hacked off when I see private cars and commercial vehicles taking this short cut. What has really irritated me though, is Merretts nasty small minded extension to the no access hours through Coppergate from 8am 7am, this will mean those folks traveling to work from the Acomb side of town to say Layerthorpe and starting work after 7:00 will not be able to use this route. So where will this traffic go? Oh yes, the wonderful inner ring road, as if its not congested enough.
I hope the introduction of NPR cameras on this street has the desired effect, I'm far from a "Goody twoshoes" but have always respected the rules on this and get really hacked off when I see private cars and commercial vehicles taking this short cut. What has really irritated me though, is Merretts nasty small minded extension to the no access hours through Coppergate from 8am 7am, this will mean those folks traveling to work from the Acomb side of town to say Layerthorpe and starting work after 7:00 will not be able to use this route. So where will this traffic go? Oh yes, the wonderful inner ring road, as if its not congested enough. Thunderblade
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3:50pm Tue 11 Dec 12

stevey54 says...

We as bus drivers around the city have been complaining about this for years and yet again a promise off April has been put forward A Joke this time next year i'll probably be able to say the same ???? This council couldnt run a p--- up in a brewery and thats with frewe beer too. Its about time somebody kicked them where it hurts, I mean this new Police Commisioner or whatever she is supposed to be ??? Whats the first thing she does is pick on the motorist,,,,,Yes again an easy easy target by getting two more mobile speed camera vans at thousands each. Pity its not but to better use Ruth Potter has more idea in her little finger than Mulligan who really got in in error ????? God help us all in the future ????
We as bus drivers around the city have been complaining about this for years and yet again a promise off April has been put forward A Joke this time next year i'll probably be able to say the same ???? This council couldnt run a p--- up in a brewery and thats with frewe beer too. Its about time somebody kicked them where it hurts, I mean this new Police Commisioner or whatever she is supposed to be ??? Whats the first thing she does is pick on the motorist,,,,,Yes again an easy easy target by getting two more mobile speed camera vans at thousands each. Pity its not but to better use Ruth Potter has more idea in her little finger than Mulligan who really got in in error ????? God help us all in the future ???? stevey54
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6:45am Thu 13 Dec 12

Dennis.Dart says...

what did CyC mupets do about marks and sparks blocking the city centre up yesterday evening by delivering with two class 1 LGV's causing mayhem in pavement ??? nothing thats what it was at a stand still for 20+ mins so much for the loading ban !!!!
what did CyC mupets do about marks and sparks blocking the city centre up yesterday evening by delivering with two class 1 LGV's causing mayhem in pavement ??? nothing thats what it was at a stand still for 20+ mins so much for the loading ban !!!! Dennis.Dart
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6:45am Thu 13 Dec 12

Dennis.Dart says...

what did CyC mupets do about marks and sparks blocking the city centre up yesterday evening by delivering with two class 1 LGV's causing mayhem in pavement ??? nothing thats what it was at a stand still for 20+ mins so much for the loading ban !!!!
what did CyC mupets do about marks and sparks blocking the city centre up yesterday evening by delivering with two class 1 LGV's causing mayhem in pavement ??? nothing thats what it was at a stand still for 20+ mins so much for the loading ban !!!! Dennis.Dart
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