Police concerns over planned cycle lane at Tanner Row

First published in News York Press: Photograph of the Author by , mark.stead@thepress.co.uk

CYCLISTS could be allowed to ride towards oncoming traffic on a one-way street outside York’s new council headquarters – despite police saying it could put them in danger.

Transport bosses at City of York Council have agreed to stage a consultation over creating a contra-flow cycle lane on a section of Tanner Row, between Rougier Street and North Street, to improve cycling links near the authority’s £43.8 million base at West Offices.

Coun Dave Merrett, the authority’s cabinet member for transport, planning and sustainability, has approved the scheme in principle and local residents, businesses and organisations which represent cyclists and other road-users will now be asked what they think before it is implemented.

A report by transport projects engineer Mark Calvert said North Yorkshire Police believed the lane would pose a risk to cyclists because some drivers may not understand the new arrangements on the one-way route.

The force has also raised concerns that footpaths in Tanner Row are “very narrow” and pedestrians may step into the road without realising cyclists are heading towards them.

However, Mr Calvert’s report said signs at the entrance to the road would be “self-explanatory”, while new road markings would be put in place to increase pedestrian awareness. It also said visibility along Tanner Row was good and pedestrians could see along the whole length of the route.

“A number of improvements to cycle accessibility around the new offices are currently being undertaken, with the aim of encouraging employees and members of the public to cycle to and from the offices,” said the report.

“Under the current arrangement, a cyclist wishing to travel from West Offices to get to Cinder Lane must make the right turn from Rougier Street onto Tanner’s Moat, against oncoming traffic. If they had the option to travel on the section of Tanner Row which is currently one-way, they would have much easier journey options and travel on roads with less traffic.”

It also said the council believed the contra-flow lane would be well-used as cyclists had been seen ignoring the one-way order. A traffic regulation order will now be advertised alongside the consultation.

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9:56am Fri 7 Dec 12

Buzz Light-year says...

Hahahaha!
Bring on the hate!
"Why bother, they do it anyway etc etc"
Hahahaha! Bring on the hate! "Why bother, they do it anyway etc etc" Buzz Light-year
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10:05am Fri 7 Dec 12

Brabus says...

But there's already a perfectly good cycle lane on Tanners Moat as highlighted in the piece - one way or another they have to cross Rougier Street or are they going to build a special underpass/bridge for council cyclists ?
But there's already a perfectly good cycle lane on Tanners Moat as highlighted in the piece - one way or another they have to cross Rougier Street or are they going to build a special underpass/bridge for council cyclists ? Brabus
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10:07am Fri 7 Dec 12

Elle says...

"cyclists had been seen ignoring the one-way order."

so the moral of the story is - ignore the rules and eventually the council will give in and waste more money on cycle lanes.

They should spend some money on educating cyclists about the rules of the road and the need to wear high visibilty / safety clothing instead!
"cyclists had been seen ignoring the one-way order." so the moral of the story is - ignore the rules and eventually the council will give in and waste more money on cycle lanes. They should spend some money on educating cyclists about the rules of the road and the need to wear high visibilty / safety clothing instead! Elle
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10:09am Fri 7 Dec 12

roskoboskovic says...

confirmation ,if any were needed,that merrett and his merry men are clueless.they will do absolutely anything to make york a totally cycling obsessed city no matter how ridiculous the idea.is it beyond the poor luvvies to actually dismount or go to the bottom of north street.they know that motorists have a lot of anger and frustration with the behaviour of cyclists yet they do nothing to help their cause.
confirmation ,if any were needed,that merrett and his merry men are clueless.they will do absolutely anything to make york a totally cycling obsessed city no matter how ridiculous the idea.is it beyond the poor luvvies to actually dismount or go to the bottom of north street.they know that motorists have a lot of anger and frustration with the behaviour of cyclists yet they do nothing to help their cause. roskoboskovic
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10:13am Fri 7 Dec 12

pedalling paul says...

In Holland, Germany & France, legal contraflow cycling is widely permitted. It's simply engineered by a cyclist exemption plate beneath the motor vehicle "No Entry" sign. Simple!!
I fully support the modest initiative in York, which will greatly simplify access to/from the riverside cycle route.
As for Elle's remarks about high vis safety clothing.....is that so that you can aim at us more easily, or just that you'd like to overtake us closer and faster. Safety arises from considerate and sensible behaviour amongst all road users.
In Holland, Germany & France, legal contraflow cycling is widely permitted. It's simply engineered by a cyclist exemption plate beneath the motor vehicle "No Entry" sign. Simple!! I fully support the modest initiative in York, which will greatly simplify access to/from the riverside cycle route. As for Elle's remarks about high vis safety clothing.....is that so that you can aim at us more easily, or just that you'd like to overtake us closer and faster. Safety arises from considerate and sensible behaviour amongst all road users. pedalling paul
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10:15am Fri 7 Dec 12

peter123456 says...

If York city council wants to save a load of money they should sack Coun Dave Merrett, the authority’s cabinet member for transport, planning and sustainability, and the rest of his team. Just for coming up with such an stupid idea. Instead of employing people that come up with money wasting ideas they should employ people with money saving ideas long term and at the same time improving the traffic systems around York. Example York inner ring road make it one way system and all roads leading to it use them as feeder roads. This would do away with BUS and TAXI lanes, cyclists could have there own lane and would improve and increase traffic flow. Also improved traffic light systems are needed attention in York.
If York city council wants to save a load of money they should sack Coun Dave Merrett, the authority’s cabinet member for transport, planning and sustainability, and the rest of his team. Just for coming up with such an stupid idea. Instead of employing people that come up with money wasting ideas they should employ people with money saving ideas long term and at the same time improving the traffic systems around York. Example York inner ring road make it one way system and all roads leading to it use them as feeder roads. This would do away with BUS and TAXI lanes, cyclists could have there own lane and would improve and increase traffic flow. Also improved traffic light systems are needed attention in York. peter123456
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10:28am Fri 7 Dec 12

peter123456 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
In Holland, Germany & France, legal contraflow cycling is widely permitted. It's simply engineered by a cyclist exemption plate beneath the motor vehicle "No Entry" sign. Simple!!
I fully support the modest initiative in York, which will greatly simplify access to/from the riverside cycle route.
As for Elle's remarks about high vis safety clothing.....is that so that you can aim at us more easily, or just that you'd like to overtake us closer and faster. Safety arises from considerate and sensible behaviour amongst all road users.
I think it is to do with seeing you Paul. I also think you should have a look more closely and see how traffic is illuminated in the dark and then have a look at how cyclists are illuminated in the dark. The minister the highway code. Drivers are fined and points handed out for poor or no illumination. I think it is time that cyclist were dealt with in the same way after all it is law that not only should you wear the correct gear but also make sure your bike can be seen in the dark. After all you don’t jump out of a plane without a parachute unless you want to get yourself killed do you.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: In Holland, Germany & France, legal contraflow cycling is widely permitted. It's simply engineered by a cyclist exemption plate beneath the motor vehicle "No Entry" sign. Simple!! I fully support the modest initiative in York, which will greatly simplify access to/from the riverside cycle route. As for Elle's remarks about high vis safety clothing.....is that so that you can aim at us more easily, or just that you'd like to overtake us closer and faster. Safety arises from considerate and sensible behaviour amongst all road users.[/p][/quote]I think it is to do with seeing you Paul. I also think you should have a look more closely and see how traffic is illuminated in the dark and then have a look at how cyclists are illuminated in the dark. The minister the highway code. Drivers are fined and points handed out for poor or no illumination. I think it is time that cyclist were dealt with in the same way after all it is law that not only should you wear the correct gear but also make sure your bike can be seen in the dark. After all you don’t jump out of a plane without a parachute unless you want to get yourself killed do you. peter123456
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10:35am Fri 7 Dec 12

willo the wisp says...

peter123456 wrote:
If York city council wants to save a load of money they should sack Coun Dave Merrett, the authority’s cabinet member for transport, planning and sustainability, and the rest of his team. Just for coming up with such an stupid idea. Instead of employing people that come up with money wasting ideas they should employ people with money saving ideas long term and at the same time improving the traffic systems around York. Example York inner ring road make it one way system and all roads leading to it use them as feeder roads. This would do away with BUS and TAXI lanes, cyclists could have there own lane and would improve and increase traffic flow. Also improved traffic light systems are needed attention in York.
I really struggle to see what good Dave and his band of muppets have done for this city, apart from waste our money time and time again.

I'd sack the lot of them and get a team in that will make real improvements and ultimately SAVE money.... Mind you a one way inner ring road is hardly the answer....
[quote][p][bold]peter123456[/bold] wrote: If York city council wants to save a load of money they should sack Coun Dave Merrett, the authority’s cabinet member for transport, planning and sustainability, and the rest of his team. Just for coming up with such an stupid idea. Instead of employing people that come up with money wasting ideas they should employ people with money saving ideas long term and at the same time improving the traffic systems around York. Example York inner ring road make it one way system and all roads leading to it use them as feeder roads. This would do away with BUS and TAXI lanes, cyclists could have there own lane and would improve and increase traffic flow. Also improved traffic light systems are needed attention in York.[/p][/quote]I really struggle to see what good Dave and his band of muppets have done for this city, apart from waste our money time and time again. I'd sack the lot of them and get a team in that will make real improvements and ultimately SAVE money.... Mind you a one way inner ring road is hardly the answer.... willo the wisp
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10:50am Fri 7 Dec 12

amike says...

What about widening the footpaths for pedestrians?

Oh and remember Councillor Merritt is a regular cyclist, thats why the bus service is so poor, so no conflict of interest there then.
What about widening the footpaths for pedestrians? Oh and remember Councillor Merritt is a regular cyclist, thats why the bus service is so poor, so no conflict of interest there then. amike
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11:05am Fri 7 Dec 12

Kevin Turvey says...

Is it really sensible to allow cyclists the opportunity to legally ride the wrong way down a one way street?
It’s bad enough as it is, never mind giving some tacit approval!

Yet more ill-conceived lunatic fringe drivel of an idea from the cycling fundamentalists that seem to have some sort of sway at the council in this city for now!.

I suggest this one is also for a major U turn in the near future!

This Merrett is not for turning….. we shall see.
Is it really sensible to allow cyclists the opportunity to legally ride the wrong way down a one way street? It’s bad enough as it is, never mind giving some tacit approval! Yet more ill-conceived lunatic fringe drivel of an idea from the cycling fundamentalists that seem to have some sort of sway at the council in this city for now!. I suggest this one is also for a major U turn in the near future! This Merrett is not for turning….. we shall see. Kevin Turvey
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11:06am Fri 7 Dec 12

meme says...

what does it matter what lanes are put in cyclists will take the easy route whatever the signs say unless they are punished for breaking the law.
I am a cyclist and driver yet I nearly hit someone on a bike in my car the other day who was cycling into the traffic at dusk with no lights whatsoever in Ducombe place.. No wonder people get hurt! All the time cyclists jump lights and we should be fined if we break the highway code and heavily
I like cycling but a small minority give us all a bad name
what does it matter what lanes are put in cyclists will take the easy route whatever the signs say unless they are punished for breaking the law. I am a cyclist and driver yet I nearly hit someone on a bike in my car the other day who was cycling into the traffic at dusk with no lights whatsoever in Ducombe place.. No wonder people get hurt! All the time cyclists jump lights and we should be fined if we break the highway code and heavily I like cycling but a small minority give us all a bad name meme
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11:16am Fri 7 Dec 12

pedalling paul says...

As Buzz Lightyear said in the first comment....bring on the hate!!
I sense that many commentators believe that the prime role of Councillors and transport planners is to cater for those who think that car ownership automatically entitles them to an open road at all times.
Get that magic wand out and change all York's cycle users and bus passengers into single occupancy car users. Then think again......while you are stuck in gridlock!
As Buzz Lightyear said in the first comment....bring on the hate!! I sense that many commentators believe that the prime role of Councillors and transport planners is to cater for those who think that car ownership automatically entitles them to an open road at all times. Get that magic wand out and change all York's cycle users and bus passengers into single occupancy car users. Then think again......while you are stuck in gridlock! pedalling paul
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11:31am Fri 7 Dec 12

nowthen says...

pedalling paul wrote:
As Buzz Lightyear said in the first comment....bring on the hate!!
I sense that many commentators believe that the prime role of Councillors and transport planners is to cater for those who think that car ownership automatically entitles them to an open road at all times.
Get that magic wand out and change all York's cycle users and bus passengers into single occupancy car users. Then think again......while you are stuck in gridlock!
The prime role of councillors is to cater for all road users in York and not just the 6% who admit to regularly using cycles as their main mode of transport. Also , if Merrett approves this scheme against advice from the Police, would he be legally responsible for any accidents ?
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: As Buzz Lightyear said in the first comment....bring on the hate!! I sense that many commentators believe that the prime role of Councillors and transport planners is to cater for those who think that car ownership automatically entitles them to an open road at all times. Get that magic wand out and change all York's cycle users and bus passengers into single occupancy car users. Then think again......while you are stuck in gridlock![/p][/quote]The prime role of councillors is to cater for all road users in York and not just the 6% who admit to regularly using cycles as their main mode of transport. Also , if Merrett approves this scheme against advice from the Police, would he be legally responsible for any accidents ? nowthen
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12:09pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Kevin Turvey says...

‘pedalling paul says... 10:13am Fri 7 Dec 12
In Holland, Germany & France, legal contraflow cycling is widely permitted. ‘

All very well and good in those countries
In my experience this country has a much larger proportion of Muppets and their associated Muppetry within the general population as a whole so it like comparing apples with bananas!

The lowest common denominator in this country is much lower!
‘pedalling paul says... 10:13am Fri 7 Dec 12 In Holland, Germany & France, legal contraflow cycling is widely permitted. ‘ All very well and good in those countries In my experience this country has a much larger proportion of Muppets and their associated Muppetry within the general population as a whole so it like comparing apples with bananas! The lowest common denominator in this country is much lower! Kevin Turvey
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12:15pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Stevie D says...

That bit of road is too narrow to safely allow a contraflow cycle lane, especially where are parked vehicles at the top. Why can't cyclists follow the road round George Hudson Street and the bottom of Micklegate? It's no further, and avoids confusing and potentially dangerous changes to the road.
That bit of road is too narrow to safely allow a contraflow cycle lane, especially where are parked vehicles at the top. Why can't cyclists follow the road round George Hudson Street and the bottom of Micklegate? It's no further, and avoids confusing and potentially dangerous changes to the road. Stevie D
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12:22pm Fri 7 Dec 12

xtc says...

Stevie D wrote:
That bit of road is too narrow to safely allow a contraflow cycle lane, especially where are parked vehicles at the top. Why can't cyclists follow the road round George Hudson Street and the bottom of Micklegate? It's no further, and avoids confusing and potentially dangerous changes to the road.
And the hotel parking will bring it to gridlock nicely cyclists have always gone up and down it and will continue too,no change!
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: That bit of road is too narrow to safely allow a contraflow cycle lane, especially where are parked vehicles at the top. Why can't cyclists follow the road round George Hudson Street and the bottom of Micklegate? It's no further, and avoids confusing and potentially dangerous changes to the road.[/p][/quote]And the hotel parking will bring it to gridlock nicely cyclists have always gone up and down it and will continue too,no change! xtc
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12:41pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Sillybillies says...

Get that magic wand out and change all York's cycle users and bus passengers into single occupancy car users. Then think again......while you are stuck in gridlock!

Not a bad idea, I see far too many empty buses and there are few cyclists anyway. Get rid of the bus and cycle lanes, synchronise traffic lights, and just watch how smoothly and congestion free the traffic flow is.

It would go without saying that the obstructing fume belching open topped tourist buses would go. Pedalling paul/Paul Hepworth will be having to get a proper job. There's just no down side.
[quote]Get that magic wand out and change all York's cycle users and bus passengers into single occupancy car users. Then think again......while you are stuck in gridlock![/quote] Not a bad idea, I see far too many empty buses and there are few cyclists anyway. Get rid of the bus and cycle lanes, synchronise traffic lights, and just watch how smoothly and congestion free the traffic flow is. It would go without saying that the obstructing fume belching open topped tourist buses would go. Pedalling paul/Paul Hepworth will be having to get a proper job. There's just no down side. Sillybillies
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12:56pm Fri 7 Dec 12

DEKKA says...

Crazy idea, this road is far too narrow for this scheme.
Crazy idea, this road is far too narrow for this scheme. DEKKA
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1:03pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Setting it straight says...

Ludicrous!!!!!!!!!!!
!!11 Anybody ever heard of the Highway Code????? Doesn't matter if you're driving, cycling or walking; th rules apply. It's a one way street, cyclists have to observe the same rules. Being considerate and all the rest of the rubbish PP spouts has nothing to do with it and the sooner everybody else realises this the better! Find an alternative route, simple!!!
Ludicrous!!!!!!!!!!! !!11 Anybody ever heard of the Highway Code????? Doesn't matter if you're driving, cycling or walking; th rules apply. It's a one way street, cyclists have to observe the same rules. Being considerate and all the rest of the rubbish PP spouts has nothing to do with it and the sooner everybody else realises this the better! Find an alternative route, simple!!! Setting it straight
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1:08pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Thisisnotasmile says...

So instead of having the cyclists turn right across Rougier Street we'll have them... turn right across Rougier Street. Excellent plan. If they don't want to turn right they can go round George Hudson Street and Micklegate to the end of North Street. There are two sets of traffic lights but since when has that mattered to the cyclists? Maybe instead of putting in a contraflow cycle lane because "cyclists do it anyway", the current one way system should be enforced with fixed penalty notices until cyclists don't "do it anyway". One other thing I'd love to see enforced in this area is the "Cyclists Dismount" signs along the roadworks that have been going on over the past few months on Skeldergate/North Street/Wellington Row. When I'm out on my bike I always get off when instructed to and push my bike along the pavement only to be passed by numerous cyclists on the road who apparently cannot read English.
So instead of having the cyclists turn right across Rougier Street we'll have them... turn right across Rougier Street. Excellent plan. If they don't want to turn right they can go round George Hudson Street and Micklegate to the end of North Street. There are two sets of traffic lights but since when has that mattered to the cyclists? Maybe instead of putting in a contraflow cycle lane because "cyclists do it anyway", the current one way system should be enforced with fixed penalty notices until cyclists don't "do it anyway". One other thing I'd love to see enforced in this area is the "Cyclists Dismount" signs along the roadworks that have been going on over the past few months on Skeldergate/North Street/Wellington Row. When I'm out on my bike I always get off when instructed to and push my bike along the pavement only to be passed by numerous cyclists on the road who apparently cannot read English. Thisisnotasmile
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1:19pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Pete the Brickie says...

The police are totally correct, this is a stupid idea even if you only take into consideration that pedestrians crossing a one way street will not always remember to look both ways.
The police are totally correct, this is a stupid idea even if you only take into consideration that pedestrians crossing a one way street will not always remember to look both ways. Pete the Brickie
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1:30pm Fri 7 Dec 12

laiecmjdjkd says...

Ahem, nobody is talking about allowing cyclists to break the law and ride the wrong way down a one way street. The plan creates a means for cyclists to ride - entirely legally - from Rougier Street to North Street via Tanner Row.

Those who think the very concept of a contraflow cycle lane is "ludicrous" or "stupid" should go to Salisbury Terrace and look at the one that has been there for decades without the slightest problem at all.
Ahem, nobody is talking about allowing cyclists to break the law and ride the wrong way down a one way street. The plan creates a means for cyclists to ride - entirely legally - from Rougier Street to North Street via Tanner Row. Those who think the very concept of a contraflow cycle lane is "ludicrous" or "stupid" should go to Salisbury Terrace and look at the one that has been there for decades without the slightest problem at all. laiecmjdjkd
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1:54pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Stevie D says...

Setting it straight wrote:
Anybody ever heard of the Highway Code? Doesn't matter if you're driving, cycling or walking; th rules apply. It's a one way street, cyclists have to observe the same rules.

Contra-flow cycle lanes are legal and well established in other places. laiecmjdjkd gives the example of Salisbury Terrace, and there are many more up and down the country that work very well – particularly on roads that are not comfortably wide enough for regular two-way traffic but can cope with a car and a bike.

The issue here is not about cyclists breaking the law, because the law would be changed to allow them to cycle there ... the issue is that the road just isn't suitable for that change to be made.
[quote][bold]Setting it straight[/bold] wrote: Anybody ever heard of the Highway Code? Doesn't matter if you're driving, cycling or walking; th rules apply. It's a one way street, cyclists have to observe the same rules.[/quote] Contra-flow cycle lanes are legal and well established in other places. laiecmjdjkd gives the example of Salisbury Terrace, and there are many more up and down the country that work very well – particularly on roads that are not comfortably wide enough for regular two-way traffic but can cope with a car and a bike. The issue here is not about cyclists breaking the law, because the law would be changed to [italic]allow[/italic] them to cycle there ... the issue is that the road just isn't suitable for that change to be made. Stevie D
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2:28pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Back and Beyond says...

So they think turning right into Tanners Moat is dangerous....?? can't wait to see cyclists crossing the Rougier St / Tanners Row crossroad, taking into account the filter lane, and the nearby Pelican crossing! also at a guess the road section on Tanners Row is approx 3 metres wide at its narrowest, a transit type vehicle of approx 2 metres would leave very little room given the already very narrow footpaths.

Another ill thought out scheme, Pauls Magic wand may come in handy with this one...
So they think turning right into Tanners Moat is dangerous....?? can't wait to see cyclists crossing the Rougier St / Tanners Row crossroad, taking into account the filter lane, and the nearby Pelican crossing! also at a guess the road section on Tanners Row is approx 3 metres wide at its narrowest, a transit type vehicle of approx 2 metres would leave very little room given the already very narrow footpaths. Another ill thought out scheme, Pauls Magic wand may come in handy with this one... Back and Beyond
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3:04pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Hepworth says...

To many people have their own axe to grind on here.

Watch http://www.bbc.co.uk
/iplayer/episode/b01
p7q2l/War_on_Britain
s_Roads/

And take the blinkers off
To many people have their own axe to grind on here. Watch http://www.bbc.co.uk /iplayer/episode/b01 p7q2l/War_on_Britain s_Roads/ And take the blinkers off Hepworth
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3:11pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Setting it straight says...

Why change the law to pander to their wishes? They have no more right on the road than the rest of us but we're expected to accomodate 'special' measures to make their journey a wee bit easier?? They have no god-given right to filter to the front of every traffic queue, if they are filtering they should not be undertaking! If it doesn't suit then tough, suck it up! The existing road infrastructure is in a shocking state without wasting funds on schemes like this which would be better directed at repairing what we have to use now. Expect to see loads of moaney posts when someone comes off their bike or buckles a wheel because of a pothole!!!
Why change the law to pander to their wishes? They have no more right on the road than the rest of us but we're expected to accomodate 'special' measures to make their journey a wee bit easier?? They have no god-given right to filter to the front of every traffic queue, if they are filtering they should not be undertaking! If it doesn't suit then tough, suck it up! The existing road infrastructure is in a shocking state without wasting funds on schemes like this which would be better directed at repairing what we have to use now. Expect to see loads of moaney posts when someone comes off their bike or buckles a wheel because of a pothole!!! Setting it straight
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3:14pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Hepworth says...

^^ see what i mean
^^ see what i mean Hepworth
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3:32pm Fri 7 Dec 12

bob the builder says...

Buzz Light-year wrote:
Hahahaha!
Bring on the hate!
"Why bother, they do it anyway etc etc"
My exact thought on seeing the article, Tadcaster Road from the York college towards the old site and Blossom Street outside the Windmill are places for regular sightings or near death experiences depending on which mode of transport you have!
[quote][p][bold]Buzz Light-year[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha! Bring on the hate! "Why bother, they do it anyway etc etc"[/p][/quote]My exact thought on seeing the article, Tadcaster Road from the York college towards the old site and Blossom Street outside the Windmill are places for regular sightings or near death experiences depending on which mode of transport you have! bob the builder
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4:07pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Paul Hepworth says...

Oh dearie me....confused dot com time again. I seem to have two dopplegangers now.....aaargh!

An interesting debate, and like some I've cycled through other European cities where contraflow cycling is the permitted norm in many streets.

No reason why the UK can't do likewise.
Oh dearie me....confused dot com time again. I seem to have two dopplegangers now.....aaargh! An interesting debate, and like some I've cycled through other European cities where contraflow cycling is the permitted norm in many streets. No reason why the UK can't do likewise. Paul Hepworth
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7:11pm Fri 7 Dec 12

redbluelion says...

i once lived in york and think its a great city for riding a bike and not getting fat driving a car..i now live and work in leeds and its a bad city to ride a bike.up and down missive hills all the time.and crazy women drivers trying to kill me..so well done to york for this..think ill move back if i can find another job..
i once lived in york and think its a great city for riding a bike and not getting fat driving a car..i now live and work in leeds and its a bad city to ride a bike.up and down missive hills all the time.and crazy women drivers trying to kill me..so well done to york for this..think ill move back if i can find another job.. redbluelion
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7:14pm Fri 7 Dec 12

redbluelion says...

i once lived in york and think its a great city for riding a bike and not getting fat driving a car..i now live and work in leeds and its a bad city to ride a bike.up and down missive hills all the time.and crazy women drivers trying to kill me..so well done to york for this..think ill move back if i can find another job..
i once lived in york and think its a great city for riding a bike and not getting fat driving a car..i now live and work in leeds and its a bad city to ride a bike.up and down missive hills all the time.and crazy women drivers trying to kill me..so well done to york for this..think ill move back if i can find another job.. redbluelion
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8:26pm Fri 7 Dec 12

sheps lad says...

Hepworth wrote:
To many people have their own axe to grind on here.

Watch http://www.bbc.co.uk

/iplayer/episode/b01

p7q2l/War_on_Britain

s_Roads/

And take the blinkers off
I did watch it and found the pretentious prat riding his bike and creating arguments with practically every other road reminded me of someone with similar initials!
[quote][p][bold]Hepworth[/bold] wrote: To many people have their own axe to grind on here. Watch http://www.bbc.co.uk /iplayer/episode/b01 p7q2l/War_on_Britain s_Roads/ And take the blinkers off[/p][/quote]I did watch it and found the pretentious prat riding his bike and creating arguments with practically every other road reminded me of someone with similar initials! sheps lad
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8:35pm Fri 7 Dec 12

Sawday2 says...

So a scheme to improve the access for one group of users to the council offices. What about access to all the (more) important businesses in York? Councillors being self centered? Surely not.
So a scheme to improve the access for one group of users to the council offices. What about access to all the (more) important businesses in York? Councillors being self centered? Surely not. Sawday2
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3:58am Sat 8 Dec 12

Magicman! says...

I'm not sure on this idea, even as a proper cyclist. The turn from North Street into Tanner Row is tight in a car, so imagine what will happen if a cyclist using the contraflow lane comes face to face with a van turning from North Street (and being a van it'd probably be going a bit on the fast side). There's access to North Street a bit further up Rougier Street near Lendal Bridge anyway - why not just put in a right turn lane cycles can use there?

The main problem in York is simply people's attutudes to cyclists... which includes posts by quite a few people above. absolutely appauling, simple as that. Cyclists have just as much right to use the roads in York as any other form of transport as we pay the council to maintain the roads - if you don't like cycles getting ahead of queues and getting somewhere quicker then you have one of two options (1) grow a pair and get used to it, or (2) become a cyclist yourself - the fact you'll not be in a car will reduce the queue just that little bit, and so if a number of people did this it'd reduce queue times for those who genuinely absolutely need to use the roads and have no alternative. Driving to the shop for a bottle of milk is not a genuine dire absolute need to drive, buy a bungee cord and strap it to a rack on the bike.

The number of blockheads today that tried to move into my lane because a traffic island was approaching or to turn left in front of me whilst I'm still moving at about 20mph was just beyond belief.
I'm not sure on this idea, even as a proper cyclist. The turn from North Street into Tanner Row is tight in a car, so imagine what will happen if a cyclist using the contraflow lane comes face to face with a van turning from North Street (and being a van it'd probably be going a bit on the fast side). There's access to North Street a bit further up Rougier Street near Lendal Bridge anyway - why not just put in a right turn lane cycles can use there? The main problem in York is simply people's attutudes to cyclists... which includes posts by quite a few people above. absolutely appauling, simple as that. Cyclists have just as much right to use the roads in York as any other form of transport as we pay the council to maintain the roads - if you don't like cycles getting ahead of queues and getting somewhere quicker then you have one of two options (1) grow a pair and get used to it, or (2) become a cyclist yourself - the fact you'll not be in a car will reduce the queue just that little bit, and so if a number of people did this it'd reduce queue times for those who genuinely absolutely need to use the roads and have no alternative. Driving to the shop for a bottle of milk is not a genuine dire absolute need to drive, buy a bungee cord and strap it to a rack on the bike. The number of blockheads today that tried to move into my lane because a traffic island was approaching or to turn left in front of me whilst I'm still moving at about 20mph was just beyond belief. Magicman!
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9:29am Sat 8 Dec 12

Dennis.Dart says...

seems a bit strange that it is so CLOSE to CyC new offices just like the reason to why the pavement has been widened on station rise more CyC money wasting activites
seems a bit strange that it is so CLOSE to CyC new offices just like the reason to why the pavement has been widened on station rise more CyC money wasting activites Dennis.Dart
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2:36pm Sat 8 Dec 12

tobefair says...

Several years ago CYC designated a few footpaths as combined pedestrian and cycle ways and cyclists now seem to assume it is OK to ride on footpaths as a norm.

If you allow cyclists to ride the wrong way up one one way street how long before they think it is OK to ignore all one way street signs?
Several years ago CYC designated a few footpaths as combined pedestrian and cycle ways and cyclists now seem to assume it is OK to ride on footpaths as a norm. If you allow cyclists to ride the wrong way up one one way street how long before they think it is OK to ignore all one way street signs? tobefair
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9:18pm Sun 9 Dec 12

realist says...

Fossgate and Walmgate next, cyclists often ride against the traffic flow causing danger to themselves.
Maybe the Police Commissioner could target law breaking cyclists the charge them £92 for an awareness course, simples.
Fossgate and Walmgate next, cyclists often ride against the traffic flow causing danger to themselves. Maybe the Police Commissioner could target law breaking cyclists the charge them £92 for an awareness course, simples. realist
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10:17pm Sun 9 Dec 12

yorkshirelad says...

Dear oh dear...hardly radical stuff. Many UK cities already do this...it's quite common in London.

The screaming cry 'what about the highway code etc etc...does this also apply to speeding, stopping in cyclist advance stop lanes, parking on pavements, mobile phone while driving etc etc... Reasonable people just ignore that argument because we know there are law breakers in all road users.

A relatively minor road change, but I suppose like all change gets a few people excited!
Dear oh dear...hardly radical stuff. Many UK cities already do this...it's quite common in London. The screaming cry 'what about the highway code etc etc...does this also apply to speeding, stopping in cyclist advance stop lanes, parking on pavements, mobile phone while driving etc etc... Reasonable people just ignore that argument because we know there are law breakers in all road users. A relatively minor road change, but I suppose like all change gets a few people excited! yorkshirelad
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10:54pm Sun 9 Dec 12

soprano 2 says...

They have been doing this for years down Goodramgate. I often came face to face with a cyclist when I used to pick my husband up.
They have been doing this for years down Goodramgate. I often came face to face with a cyclist when I used to pick my husband up. soprano 2
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10:21am Mon 10 Dec 12

mrcharly says...

This idea *might* be ok during the day, but it will be a disaster at night, with drunks spilling out of the nightclubs across the road.
This idea *might* be ok during the day, but it will be a disaster at night, with drunks spilling out of the nightclubs across the road. mrcharly
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2:23pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Sillybillies says...

If you allow cyclists to ride the wrong way up one one way street how long before they think it is OK to ignore all one way street signs?

Which they do ignore as a matter course, plus traffic lights which they don't think apply to them and most other traffic signs.
[quote]If you allow cyclists to ride the wrong way up one one way street how long before they think it is OK to ignore all one way street signs?[/quote] Which they do ignore as a matter course, plus traffic lights which they don't think apply to them and most other traffic signs. Sillybillies
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2:21pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Madasanibbotson says...

Forget bike lanes etc.

Ban all cyclists-they are a nuisance. Whilst at it get rid of Merrett and his bunch of labour lunatics, who wouldn't last a week in the real world.
Forget bike lanes etc. Ban all cyclists-they are a nuisance. Whilst at it get rid of Merrett and his bunch of labour lunatics, who wouldn't last a week in the real world. Madasanibbotson
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3:42pm Wed 12 Dec 12

samthedog says...

does amaze me how schemes like this (and the 20 mph limit on Nunnery Lane) seem to get push through quickly. Its not what you know, its who you know........
does amaze me how schemes like this (and the 20 mph limit on Nunnery Lane) seem to get push through quickly. Its not what you know, its who you know........ samthedog
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10:44pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Thunderblade says...

Kevin Turvey wrote:
‘pedalling paul says... 10:13am Fri 7 Dec 12
In Holland, Germany & France, legal contraflow cycling is widely permitted. ‘

All very well and good in those countries
In my experience this country has a much larger proportion of Muppets and their associated Muppetry within the general population as a whole so it like comparing apples with bananas!

The lowest common denominator in this country is much lower!
I wasnt going to comment on this, but well done Kevin Turvey you almost took the words out of my mouth, sick to death of PP and the likes of Merrett spouting off about how its done on the continent, cyclists are more respectful to other road users and pedesrtians in these countries.
I recently spent a few days in Barcelona, what a mad place that is, cars, scooters, motorcycles and cycles all intermingled and getting on with it. I even came across scooters in cycle lanes and using pedestrian crossings. The amazing thing here was there appeared to be no anamosity between the different users. There wa a lot of use of horns and bells to let you as a pedestrian know they were there. This wouldn't work in the UK as most bikes dont seem to have bells. A lot off our cyclists prefer to use the "Get out of my effing way " method of anouncing their approach. Which is what happened to me recently, on my bike on the Hob Moor Cycle track, obviously my old legs were not peddalling fast enough for the yob coming up behind on his mountain bike.
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Turvey[/bold] wrote: ‘pedalling paul says... 10:13am Fri 7 Dec 12 In Holland, Germany & France, legal contraflow cycling is widely permitted. ‘ All very well and good in those countries In my experience this country has a much larger proportion of Muppets and their associated Muppetry within the general population as a whole so it like comparing apples with bananas! The lowest common denominator in this country is much lower![/p][/quote]I wasnt going to comment on this, but well done Kevin Turvey you almost took the words out of my mouth, sick to death of PP and the likes of Merrett spouting off about how its done on the continent, cyclists are more respectful to other road users and pedesrtians in these countries. I recently spent a few days in Barcelona, what a mad place that is, cars, scooters, motorcycles and cycles all intermingled and getting on with it. I even came across scooters in cycle lanes and using pedestrian crossings. The amazing thing here was there appeared to be no anamosity between the different users. There wa a lot of use of horns and bells to let you as a pedestrian know they were there. This wouldn't work in the UK as most bikes dont seem to have bells. A lot off our cyclists prefer to use the "Get out of my effing way " method of anouncing their approach. Which is what happened to me recently, on my bike on the Hob Moor Cycle track, obviously my old legs were not peddalling fast enough for the yob coming up behind on his mountain bike. Thunderblade
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