Council defends housing policies (From York Press)

I have a letter from COYC which tells me I cannot downsize using the North Yorkshire Home Choice scheme, you have to register with Homeswapper instead, so this is conflicting information.
A previous poster on a story earlier this week stated they had problems downsizing because they were automatically given a silver band, even though they wanted to have 1 LESS BEDROOM, this means they would wait months if not years to get in the gold band. All very confusing and I suggest to COYC that their system is not good enough and obviously isn`t working!
And the problem of people with too may bedrooms isn`t just in Tang Hall, Acomb and Huntington so I suggest that the scheme should be rolled out throughout the WHOLE of York. There are two 3 bedroom houses within yards of me (in none of those areas) with one elderly person in, and how many families with 2/3 children are sharing a bedroom in temp accommodation like Tia was?
I think COYC have not given the correct information to the reporter, if I were you Richard Catton, I would go back to them with those points.

This was from the story on Tues from paintitred:
Quote: paintitred says...
11:10am Tue 20 Nov 12
its the new allocation system thats clogging up the list a will do going forward.

i was trying but gave up to obtain a 1 bed flat in exchnage for a 2 bedroomed house. but as iam only down grading by 1 bedroom im classed as sliver band, bidders in the silver band very very rarely win their bids in York.

so i dont get a flat and a family dont get a 2 bedroomed house. leaving 2 ppl on the waiting. i dont see a way i will get my trasnfer.

The Press should be holding Cllr Tracey Simpson Laing to account. She’s had responsibility for housing in York for over 18 months now but accepts no responsibility for the increase in numbers on the housing waiting list.

Not for the first time she is hiding behind a junior Council official, when defects in her strategy are made public.

The Archer Close scheme was agreed before she took office. So how many new Council homes has she actually brokered?

The Council needs an independent inquiry into the causes of “dampness” in some of its homes. My Council flat is OK but there is only me living here.

…….Oh and bring back annual Council elections. We can then vote out the deadwood straight away instead of having to wait for 4 years before we can elect some hard working replacements.

Ok I give in !

How many homes has she actually brokered ?????

Let us know Tracey we would ALL like to know.

Just because rules and regulations stipulate a minimum doesn't mean that you should only achieve the minimum standard. A council should be setting a benchmark for letting above the minimum standard, and if it can't afford to do that it should hand over provision to a Housing Association that can. It is entirely credible that people looking to downsize can't manage to do that with the ineptitude and jobsworth attitude of both councillors and staff in York.

Oaklands Resident wrote:
The Press should be holding Cllr Tracey Simpson Laing to account. She’s had responsibility for housing in York for over 18 months now but accepts no responsibility for the increase in numbers on the housing waiting list.

Not for the first time she is hiding behind a junior Council official, when defects in her strategy are made public.

The Archer Close scheme was agreed before she took office. So how many new Council homes has she actually brokered?

The Council needs an independent inquiry into the causes of “dampness” in some of its homes. My Council flat is OK but there is only me living here.

…….Oh and bring back annual Council elections. We can then vote out the deadwood straight away instead of having to wait for 4 years before we can elect some hard working replacements.

This was the very worrying quote from Cllr TSL only yesterday. She is trying to say that people in overcrowded housing will be worse off under new legislation coming in, but has totally got it wrong or misunderstood.
How can a scheme aimed at penalising people claiming housing benefit when they are claiming help with rent for having say, a 3 bed house when they only need 1 or 2 beds possibly impact badly on people who are overcrowded?
I have no axe to grind with TSL at all but people in any job should know what they are talking about.
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Quote- "Legislation coming into force in April 2013 could impact further those people living in overcrowded conditions, as households eligible for housing benefit in registered social housing will be expected to contribute more to their rent if their number of bedrooms exceeds new Department for Work and Pensions guidelines.”
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That just seems like the most nonsensical statement I have ever read, especially from a person in public office, shocking.

I don`t want to hog the comments but I would like to say thank you to Tia, who has been very brave in letting the film go out and the story to run at the very worst time of her young life.
This hornets nest needed poking and because of you some people at the council are hopefully feeling rather uncomfortable and, hopefully, things will change for the better.
JRF do great work and can be followed on twitter, they are an organisation York can be proud of.

Landed Gentry wrote:
‘Her mother Kia Stone said the damp and mould in the property, which was home to four people, may have played a part in the sudden death’

Is she a qualified pathologist or Doctor to state that?

What does the death certificate say?

Or is the press publishing a story where the facts are yet undetermined by due legal process?

Or if the flat was so bad then why did you still stay there?

Take some responsibility for your owns acts or omission as an adult!


Or why is there 4 people living in a council flat with one bedroom? I suspect that the tenancy agreement is not to that effect.

As a responsible adult why do you have children that you cannot obviously support, never heard of contraception?

or indeed be able to support yourselves?

With people like this it’s always somebody else’s fault that they as adults cannot be responsible for their own lives/actions and for others dependent on them.


*The sad effect of the long term socialist nanny state in this country.

Or

*The council house mentality
(*delete as appropriate)

Because of you all the comments will probably be removed - well done.

Landed Gentry you must be a real prize specimen.what is the point of leaving comments such as yours.i overheard a discussion between people who had been on housing lists years ago but without exception they had all found accomodation ,two of them buying their own places,but they all chose to stay on the lists just to see what offers of properties came up.no wonder things are clogged up.

Landed Gentry you must be a real prize specimen.what is the point of leaving comments such as yours.i overheard a discussion between people who had been on housing lists years ago but without exception they had all found accomodation ,two of them buying their own places,but they all chose to stay on the lists just to see what offers of properties came up.no wonder things are clogged up.

inthesticks wrote:

Landed Gentry wrote:
‘Her mother Kia Stone said the damp and mould in the property, which was home to four people, may have played a part in the sudden death’

Is she a qualified pathologist or Doctor to state that?

What does the death certificate say?

Or is the press publishing a story where the facts are yet undetermined by due legal process?

Or if the flat was so bad then why did you still stay there?

Take some responsibility for your owns acts or omission as an adult!


Or why is there 4 people living in a council flat with one bedroom? I suspect that the tenancy agreement is not to that effect.

As a responsible adult why do you have children that you cannot obviously support, never heard of contraception?

or indeed be able to support yourselves?

With people like this it’s always somebody else’s fault that they as adults cannot be responsible for their own lives/actions and for others dependent on them.


*The sad effect of the long term socialist nanny state in this country.

Or

*The council house mentality
(*delete as appropriate)

Because of you all the comments will probably be removed - well done.

And you have just made sure they were printed twice - well done.

I think Landed Gentry is asking some perfectly valid questions. Admittedly using the phrase "people like this" is a bit confrontational but which of his statements are people disagreeing with exactly?

Not that I am normally controversial, but Landed Gentry does have some extremely valid points there!

I fully support his right to state them in a free society, however we do not live in a free society!

Blue touch paper lit.



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Good luck with that one, let us know when you have succeeded!

It will never happen, for the capitalist system to function requires the majority to be in poverty for the benefit of the minority.

It’s just the way life is, accept it and make the best of it.

What exactly was the council supposed to do in this case? It provided housing suitable for a mother and one small child. The house became overcrowded- which was not the councils fault. Overcrowding can lead to damp conditions. There were no free two bed homes- the council can't keep 'spare' homes empty as the waiting list is full. I understand why the mother is looking for someone to blame to help her come to terms with her grief, but I really don't think media allowing a platform for her to state the council are responsbile for her childs death is constructive.

It seems a bit much apportioning blame until the inquest has been completed.
Although, probably best not to have anymore kids until you can afford to look after them.

Landed Gentry wrote:
‘Her mother Kia Stone said the damp and mould in the property, which was home to four people, may have played a part in the sudden death’

Is she a qualified pathologist or Doctor to state that?

What does the death certificate say?

Or is the press publishing a story where the facts are yet undetermined by due legal process?

Or if the flat was so bad then why did you still stay there?

Take some responsibility for your owns acts or omission as an adult!


Or why is there 4 people living in a council flat with one bedroom? I suspect that the tenancy agreement is not to that effect.

As a responsible adult why do you have children that you cannot obviously support, never heard of contraception?

or indeed be able to support yourselves?

With people like this it’s always somebody else’s fault that they as adults cannot be responsible for their own lives/actions and for others dependent on them.


*The sad effect of the long term socialist nanny state in this country.

Or

*The council house mentality
(*delete as appropriate)

The only sentence which you wrote which is correct is "The sad effect of a long-term socialist nanny state in this country".
People should take control of their lives, where possible (which is mostly!)

Landed Gentry wrote:
‘Her mother Kia Stone said the damp and mould in the property, which was home to four people, may have played a part in the sudden death’

Is she a qualified pathologist or Doctor to state that?

What does the death certificate say?

Or is the press publishing a story where the facts are yet undetermined by due legal process?

Or if the flat was so bad then why did you still stay there?

Take some responsibility for your owns acts or omission as an adult!


Or why is there 4 people living in a council flat with one bedroom? I suspect that the tenancy agreement is not to that effect.

As a responsible adult why do you have children that you cannot obviously support, never heard of contraception?

or indeed be able to support yourselves?

With people like this it’s always somebody else’s fault that they as adults cannot be responsible for their own lives/actions and for others dependent on them.


*The sad effect of the long term socialist nanny state in this country.

Or

*The council house mentality
(*delete as appropriate)

The only sentence which you wrote which is correct is "The sad effect of a long-term socialist nanny state in this country".
People should take control of their lives, where possible (which is mostly!)

I say to the critics of this young woman’s actions, we are all capable of making mistakes when we are young. Should she and others like her be ‘punished’ by being condemned to life in damp, mouldy and fungus ridden accommodation, which apparently is all the Council could provide?
Try to imagine being in her shoes or that she is a member of your own family – is this really what you would want for her and her innocent small children?
If the baby’s death is shown to have been due to the damp and mould then the Council is responsible

My god there are some narrow minded people out there..Landed Gentry may have some valid points,but where is his compassion? It sounds like you are blaming Kia for Telans death..are you?

missing hamster wrote:
What exactly was the council supposed to do in this case? It provided housing suitable for a mother and one small child. The house became overcrowded- which was not the councils fault. Overcrowding can lead to damp conditions. There were no free two bed homes- the council can't keep 'spare' homes empty as the waiting list is full. I understand why the mother is looking for someone to blame to help her come to terms with her grief, but I really don't think media allowing a platform for her to state the council are responsbile for her childs death is constructive.

I actually had to laugh, as I posted earlier, according to paintitred, he has tried to give up a 2 bed house with the system the council use and was unable to.
People who want to go back to the poverty and disease of Victorian times on this site beggar belief.
We CAN afford social housing, governments squander and waste billions of pounds of our money every year.
Not once in over 30 years has Britain had back more than it paid in to the E.U. We pay £53 million A DAY and most of that goes to countries like Poland to bring them up to European standards.
Let`s start looking after our own. Sometimes through no fault of their own, through ill health, people can no longer work and are unable to get out of a bad situation, I make no apologies whatsoever for expecting our country with it`s masses of wealth to do the right thing.

anybody wrote:
I say to the critics of this young woman’s actions, we are all capable of making mistakes when we are young. Should she and others like her be ‘punished’ by being condemned to life in damp, mouldy and fungus ridden accommodation, which apparently is all the Council could provide?
Try to imagine being in her shoes or that she is a member of your own family – is this really what you would want for her and her innocent small children?
If the baby’s death is shown to have been due to the damp and mould then the Council is responsible

Me and my wife where in the same situation with our two children in a two bed council flat that was damp ridden, and the council had no homes for us to move into after been on the list for 6 years. So because of our daughters health issues that were made worse through living in damp conditions we decided to give up and go private renting instead which we could hardly afford instead of risking our daughters health even more.

I firstly want to say sorry for your loss Kia, no-one deserves this kind of event regardless of their personal circumstances. On the subject of damp and mould, I don't understand why it is the CYC's responsibility? Unless of course there is some structural damage letting the rain in or the property is not insulated in any way. Mould and damp are mainly caused by lack of ventilation, drying washing indoors and not keeping it warm, causing too much condensation. All these things are the responsibility of whoever is living in the property and there is not much Landlords can do other than apply mould killing chemicals. People have to help themselves though by keeping it cleaned off and the area warm and ventilated, or the mould will return. We had a problem and found a dehumidifier helped enormously. The council can't be there to open windows, turn up thermostats, wash walls down and keep them clean or hang out the washing! Maybe though they could give some advice leaflets out to tenants. On the subject of exchanging, the current system is a farce! Homeswapper is an erratic, unreliable website to say the least!

CYC Housing is a very badly managed department. It's a complete inefficient, disorganised joke. Blame the Managers, they're not doing their jobs properly.

anybody wrote:
I say to the critics of this young woman’s actions, we are all capable of making mistakes when we are young. Should she and others like her be ‘punished’ by being condemned to life in damp, mouldy and fungus ridden accommodation, which apparently is all the Council could provide?
Try to imagine being in her shoes or that she is a member of your own family – is this really what you would want for her and her innocent small children?
If the baby’s death is shown to have been due to the damp and mould then the Council is responsible

I had mould in my old house, had to wash it down with bleachy water and air the room. Is it too much for people to be accountable for their own actions?

Sic' a parcel o' charmless, unfeeling rogues in a city!

Shame on most of you!

eeoodares wrote:

anybody wrote:
I say to the critics of this young woman’s actions, we are all capable of making mistakes when we are young. Should she and others like her be ‘punished’ by being condemned to life in damp, mouldy and fungus ridden accommodation, which apparently is all the Council could provide?
Try to imagine being in her shoes or that she is a member of your own family – is this really what you would want for her and her innocent small children?
If the baby’s death is shown to have been due to the damp and mould then the Council is responsible

I had mould in my old house, had to wash it down with bleachy water and air the room. Is it too much for people to be accountable for their own actions?

Good point,but tell me this,"Try to imagine being in her shoes",she is a young woman with a baby,do you know how hard work that is? she opens the windows it lets cold air in..baby suffers..
Wash down walls with bleach!!
I have been in the cleaning industry for 17 years,do you know how dangerous bleach is?
The action of washing black mould releases spores,did you know that?
probably not
Most of the posts on this are from men who have not a clue

In reply to lowbeam I'm a man who thought he had a clue, can you please tell me just how dangerous bleach is? because I thought a drop of bleach in water killed germs not people?

A pox on all the heartless landed gentry et al who have posted here. 1. Bleach is a carcinogen. 2. cleaning blackmould releases the spores. 3. Kia HAD a 2 br house, gave it up when CYC promised her this 1 br would be 'temporary'. 4. Did any of you bother to watch the 10 min film of her and Simon trying to cope in this shoebox? 5. No, she never envisioned this awful event: no one does; my own cot-death babe had a breathing issue the day or so before (wheezy), couldnt reach her pediatrician, no didnt haul into A&E, who does? 6. Sounds like ppl are trying to downsize but CYC has bunged it up. Alexander, resign, you're an awful person. 7. Yes: BRING BACK annual CYC elections. Kia: I am so sad for you, and your son, and your partner. How awful.

Heart goes out to family - nothing is worse than losing a child.

It is called The Localism Act.

Unfortunately, the housing situation in York and elsewhere will get worse, it is only the beginning.

Sad out the child but the blood culture results would confirm any said diagnosis in relation to damp and the bacterium caused.

I echo the above comments re the loss of a child.

Exposing a baby to bleach fumes on a regular bases would not do much for the baby's health any way as the fumes from bleach would attack the baby's lungs the same way black mould spores do

The council JRTH and other Housing Association in York do not have the housing stock required this can all be traced back to the right to buy laws

It is the right to buy that give some people the chance to own there house today because they got a good discount when they bought there houses

inthesticks says...
4:44pm Thu 22 Nov 12


missing hamster wrote:
What exactly was the council supposed to do in this case? It provided housing suitable for a mother and one small child. The house became overcrowded- which was not the councils fault. Overcrowding can lead to damp conditions. There were no free two bed homes- the council can't keep 'spare' homes empty as the waiting list is full. I understand why the mother is looking for someone to blame to help her come to terms with her grief, but I really don't think media allowing a platform for her to state the council are responsbile for her childs death is constructive.
I actually had to laugh, as I posted earlier, according to paintitred, he has tried to give up a 2 bed house with the system the council use and was unable to.
People who want to go back to the poverty and disease of Victorian times on this site beggar belief.
We CAN afford social housing, governments squander and waste billions of pounds of our money every year.
Not once in over 30 years has Britain had back more than it paid in to the E.U. We pay £53 million A DAY and most of that goes to countries like Poland to bring them up to European standards.
Let`s start looking after our own. Sometimes through no fault of their own, through ill health, people can no longer work and are unable to get out of a bad situation, I make no apologies whatsoever for expecting our country with it`s masses of wealth to do the right thing.”

I never said for one minute I want to go back to the poverty of the victorian times. Unlike you, I think that every death of a baby is tragic, including Polish babies who, after all did not choose to be born in a less affluent country than ours. Your assertion that we should look 'after our own' is jingoistic to say the least. All I said was that I feel York council did what they could within the wider social system that they operate- the idea that people can cheerfully swap homes moving miles across the city away from school, family and work is simplistic. Sometimes babies from rich and poor families do tragically die. I can understand why grieving people become angry and need to find someone to blame, but I don't think the media should be implying that this childs death is the fault of the council when there isn't even a conclusive cause of death. It's sensationalist journalism and the Press should know better.

just remember people,THIS is a very dodgy council,aka relating to a very dodgy church????..........
.....it WILLall come out in the end

Tragic though this story is, the parents really do have to bear some responsibility. The council did not bring the children into this world - they did. That they could not provide for them is a testament to their lack of parenting (and naming!) skills. Too many people blame others for the circumstances in which THEY find themselves. Perhaps a good deal of their problems are down to their own lack of action.

RoseD wrote:
A pox on all the heartless landed gentry et al who have posted here. 1. Bleach is a carcinogen. 2. cleaning blackmould releases the spores. 3. Kia HAD a 2 br house, gave it up when CYC promised her this 1 br would be 'temporary'. 4. Did any of you bother to watch the 10 min film of her and Simon trying to cope in this shoebox? 5. No, she never envisioned this awful event: no one does; my own cot-death babe had a breathing issue the day or so before (wheezy), couldnt reach her pediatrician, no didnt haul into A&E, who does? 6. Sounds like ppl are trying to downsize but CYC has bunged it up. Alexander, resign, you're an awful person. 7. Yes: BRING BACK annual CYC elections. Kia: I am so sad for you, and your son, and your partner. How awful.

If you have mould growth on a wall, you can should and must combat it immediately. A bleach solution on a cloth and wipe the wall, it will not give you cancer but it will kill the mould. I get it in my house...I own my house, it is old and has not got cavity walls, it gets damp and if left untreated would go black. I am not being unkind, but if people do not accept that these things happen in property and if you live there it is just house keeping. This lady did not know it and you obviously do not know, but others might be capable of dealing with it.

eeoodares wrote:

RoseD wrote:
A pox on all the heartless landed gentry et al who have posted here. 1. Bleach is a carcinogen. 2. cleaning blackmould releases the spores. 3. Kia HAD a 2 br house, gave it up when CYC promised her this 1 br would be 'temporary'. 4. Did any of you bother to watch the 10 min film of her and Simon trying to cope in this shoebox? 5. No, she never envisioned this awful event: no one does; my own cot-death babe had a breathing issue the day or so before (wheezy), couldnt reach her pediatrician, no didnt haul into A&E, who does? 6. Sounds like ppl are trying to downsize but CYC has bunged it up. Alexander, resign, you're an awful person. 7. Yes: BRING BACK annual CYC elections. Kia: I am so sad for you, and your son, and your partner. How awful.

If you have mould growth on a wall, you can should and must combat it immediately. A bleach solution on a cloth and wipe the wall, it will not give you cancer but it will kill the mould. I get it in my house...I own my house, it is old and has not got cavity walls, it gets damp and if left untreated would go black. I am not being unkind, but if people do not accept that these things happen in property and if you live there it is just house keeping. This lady did not know it and you obviously do not know, but others might be capable of dealing with it.

If you watch the film you will see that in a very small bedroom there were 2 beds and a cot and chests of drawers and other furniture stacked everywhere, right up to the walls. I couldn`t imagine it being easy washing the walls with bleach without getting it all over the beds, maybe cover the beds with tarpaulines? but where to store those when not in use... even if you do want your kids breathing in fumes. Just not sure it would be such an easy task in cramped space.

baldiebiker wrote:
In reply to lowbeam I'm a man who thought he had a clue, can you please tell me just how dangerous bleach is? because I thought a drop of bleach in water killed germs not people?

bleach is no longer used commercially,mixed with other household chemicals,toilet cleaners mainly,it releases a toxic gas..similar to the gas used in camps during the war..
I know this first hand..If not for the fire service in york i would not be here..

Now for heavens sake can you all get over this and stop dragging Kia over the fire!!
oh and Landed Gentry,I do hope you have a good brief..you are going to need one..

Correct me if i am wrong but where in the CYCs quote addresses the problem of severe damp in the property,and what and when are they doing something about it?.

She can afford as many kids as she wants. We are paying for them.

Landed Gentry wrote:
‘Her mother Kia Stone said the damp and mould in the property, which was home to four people, may have played a part in the sudden death’

Is she a qualified pathologist or Doctor to state that?

What does the death certificate say?

Or is the press publishing a story where the facts are yet undetermined by due legal process?

Or if the flat was so bad then why did you still stay there?

Take some responsibility for your owns acts or omission as an adult!


Or why is there 4 people living in a council flat with one bedroom? I suspect that the tenancy agreement is not to that effect.

As a responsible adult why do you have children that you cannot obviously support, never heard of contraception?

or indeed be able to support yourselves?

With people like this it’s always somebody else’s fault that they as adults cannot be responsible for their own lives/actions and for others dependent on them.


*The sad effect of the long term socialist nanny state in this country.

Or

*The council house mentality
(*delete as appropriate)

Council can't defend itself we know a mum,dad,4kids in a 2bed flat housing policy is joke,move somewhere bigger if you need it and struggle to pay the higher rent which is situation we are in and no help from benefits!its a no win situation but yes the council do hide behind juniors or just can't admit doing wrong we know we re going through the ombudsman at this time due to the council being useless ,lack of training etc bring back annual elections get rid of the deadweight

Landed Gentry wrote:
‘Her mother Kia Stone said the damp and mould in the property, which was home to four people, may have played a part in the sudden death’

Is she a qualified pathologist or Doctor to state that?

What does the death certificate say?

Or is the press publishing a story where the facts are yet undetermined by due legal process?

Or if the flat was so bad then why did you still stay there?

Take some responsibility for your owns acts or omission as an adult!


Or why is there 4 people living in a council flat with one bedroom? I suspect that the tenancy agreement is not to that effect.

As a responsible adult why do you have children that you cannot obviously support, never heard of contraception?

or indeed be able to support yourselves?

With people like this it’s always somebody else’s fault that they as adults cannot be responsible for their own lives/actions and for others dependent on them.


*The sad effect of the long term socialist nanny state in this country.

Or

*The council house mentality
(*delete as appropriate)

Council can't defend itself we know a mum,dad,4kids in a 2bed flat housing policy is joke,move somewhere bigger if you need it and struggle to pay the higher rent which is situation we are in and no help from benefits!its a no win situation but yes the council do hide behind juniors or just can't admit doing wrong we know we re going through the ombudsman at this time due to the council being useless ,lack of training etc bring back annual elections get rid of the deadweight

To the posters claiming not the councils responsibility.

Is it normal to be expected to be cleaning black mold off your accommodation walls on a regular basis,or having to leave windows opened for prolonged periods regardless of weather conditions.

Would you likely to see this situation in a housing association house or J /R rented property .

I think no to the above there is clearly some problem with the property that was not been dealt with effectively by the landlord,whether it be fitting a permanent electric fan or whatever is needed.
As for the amount of people living in the property the council would have been aware of this,if there was a tenancy breach by the couple why did they let it continue.
The West side of York was shown to be most deprived area as highlighted by the Lib Dems when in power locally,money should be put into the area to correct this rather then thrown into Christmas lights,burning torches and various other less important things.

capt spaulding wrote:
She can afford as many kids as she wants. We are paying for them.

A life of overcrowded rooms, furniture up against the walls or condoms?

xtc says... bring back annual elections get rid of the deadweight..

"Bring back?", when did we ever have them?

inthesticks wrote:

Landed Gentry wrote:
‘Her mother Kia Stone said the damp and mould in the property, which was home to four people, may have played a part in the sudden death’

Is she a qualified pathologist or Doctor to state that?

What does the death certificate say?

Or is the press publishing a story where the facts are yet undetermined by due legal process?

Or if the flat was so bad then why did you still stay there?

Take some responsibility for your owns acts or omission as an adult!


Or why is there 4 people living in a council flat with one bedroom? I suspect that the tenancy agreement is not to that effect.

As a responsible adult why do you have children that you cannot obviously support, never heard of contraception?

or indeed be able to support yourselves?

With people like this it’s always somebody else’s fault that they as adults cannot be responsible for their own lives/actions and for others dependent on them.


*The sad effect of the long term socialist nanny state in this country.

Or

*The council house mentality
(*delete as appropriate)

Because of you all the comments will probably be removed - well done.

brilliant post that I fully agree with to be honest ,