Malton Road traffic lights fault causes road delays

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WORK has been carried out on traffic lights which failed at a busy York junction over the weekend and caused delays for drivers.

The signals at the junction of Malton Road and New Lane were out of action due to an underground cable fault. City of York Council electricians were on duty over the weekend to discover the source of the fault.

The lights were back on yesterday, but a council spokeswoman said an “intermittent cable fault” was still causing some problems and traffic contractors were continuing to work on it.

Queues also formed at the nearby junction of Heworth Road, East Parade and Melrosegate at the weekend because a “green man” signal allowing pedestrians to cross Heworth Road was staying on for longer than usual, so that motorists had to wait at the crossing for longer.

The council said it was trying to find out whether a fault had occurred or whether a key held by Heworth Primary School, allowing it to control the pedestrian phase at school arrival and leaving times, had made changes which stayed in operation too long.

The spokeswoman said residents can phone 01904 551361 to report traffic light problems which will then be passed on to electricians or signal maintenance contractors.

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8:28am Tue 20 Nov 12

AnotherPointofView says...

When I went throught the junction of Malton Road/New Lane, the lights were out but the traffic was flowing freely.

Cue comment from PP....
When I went throught the junction of Malton Road/New Lane, the lights were out but the traffic was flowing freely. Cue comment from PP.... AnotherPointofView
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8:58am Tue 20 Nov 12

pedalling paul says...

Shall I bite......? Nah! Just glad that at the time I wasn't a pedestrian trying to cross, or a right turning cyclist.....I might not have lived to keep winding you all up.
Shall I bite......? Nah! Just glad that at the time I wasn't a pedestrian trying to cross, or a right turning cyclist.....I might not have lived to keep winding you all up. pedalling paul
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9:25am Tue 20 Nov 12

Jim says...

I was on my bike on Saturday and turned right from New Lane into Malton Road without a problem and when returning later from the Hopgrove direction had no problems turning back into New Lane - it was actually easier than when the traffic lights are working.
I was on my bike on Saturday and turned right from New Lane into Malton Road without a problem and when returning later from the Hopgrove direction had no problems turning back into New Lane - it was actually easier than when the traffic lights are working. Jim
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9:34am Tue 20 Nov 12

far2bizzy says...

AnotherPointofView wrote:
When I went throught the junction of Malton Road/New Lane, the lights were out but the traffic was flowing freely.

Cue comment from PP....
Pray tell us (and PP in particular) - were there hoards of stranded pedestrians desperately trying cross the road but unable to because the nasty motorists wouldn’t let them?
[quote][p][bold]AnotherPointofView[/bold] wrote: When I went throught the junction of Malton Road/New Lane, the lights were out but the traffic was flowing freely. Cue comment from PP....[/p][/quote]Pray tell us (and PP in particular) - were there hoards of stranded pedestrians desperately trying cross the road but unable to because the nasty motorists wouldn’t let them? far2bizzy
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9:39am Tue 20 Nov 12

pedalling paul says...

Oh dearie me...I seem to have lit the blue touch paper again.....!
Oh dearie me...I seem to have lit the blue touch paper again.....! pedalling paul
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9:53am Tue 20 Nov 12

far2bizzy says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Oh dearie me...I seem to have lit the blue touch paper again.....!
It’s meant as a serious question, PP. The major cause of congestion in the city is traffic lights. Many of them are not needed. Traffic could cope perfectly well without them. Your argue that cyclists and pedestrians would not be able to manage without such controls – but it simply isn’t true; as can be observed every time there is a power failure.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh dearie me...I seem to have lit the blue touch paper again.....![/p][/quote]It’s meant as a serious question, PP. The major cause of congestion in the city is traffic lights. Many of them are not needed. Traffic could cope perfectly well without them. Your argue that cyclists and pedestrians would not be able to manage without such controls – but it simply isn’t true; as can be observed every time there is a power failure. far2bizzy
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10:20am Tue 20 Nov 12

again says...

It might work for a while but once certain types of driver learned they could bully their way through we would be back to the old problems that lights were put there to solve.

Sad but true.
It might work for a while but once certain types of driver learned they could bully their way through we would be back to the old problems that lights were put there to solve. Sad but true. again
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10:24am Tue 20 Nov 12

Dr Brian says...

far2bizzy wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
Oh dearie me...I seem to have lit the blue touch paper again.....!
It’s meant as a serious question, PP. The major cause of congestion in the city is traffic lights. Many of them are not needed. Traffic could cope perfectly well without them. Your argue that cyclists and pedestrians would not be able to manage without such controls – but it simply isn’t true; as can be observed every time there is a power failure.
got to agree with far2bizzy - when the lights fail on Blossom St the traffic flows fantasticly with hardly any hold ups
[quote][p][bold]far2bizzy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Oh dearie me...I seem to have lit the blue touch paper again.....![/p][/quote]It’s meant as a serious question, PP. The major cause of congestion in the city is traffic lights. Many of them are not needed. Traffic could cope perfectly well without them. Your argue that cyclists and pedestrians would not be able to manage without such controls – but it simply isn’t true; as can be observed every time there is a power failure.[/p][/quote]got to agree with far2bizzy - when the lights fail on Blossom St the traffic flows fantasticly with hardly any hold ups Dr Brian
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11:43am Tue 20 Nov 12

roskoboskovic says...

the bane of yorks motorists.whenever a set breaks down you will see the traffic flowing better.traffic lights in york are never syncronised and this makes drivers frustrated and angry.let the traffic flow and drivers manners and patience with other road users is much improved.very sad to see that the idiotic pp thinks that he is winding people up when in fact it is pitiful to read his childish responses.
the bane of yorks motorists.whenever a set breaks down you will see the traffic flowing better.traffic lights in york are never syncronised and this makes drivers frustrated and angry.let the traffic flow and drivers manners and patience with other road users is much improved.very sad to see that the idiotic pp thinks that he is winding people up when in fact it is pitiful to read his childish responses. roskoboskovic
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12:09pm Tue 20 Nov 12

skeifr says...

They already are bullying their way through. Watch any junction in York controlled by traffic lights, and with an advance stop box for cyclists, and you'll see the oncoming drivers keep moving despite the lights turning to amber then red. They won't stop because they know the first "vehicles" about to move off with the next phase will be cyclists, and they know that the cyclists will have to give way to motor vehicles for their own safety.

This needs enforcement action, just as the barmpot cyclists I see trundling onto the pavement to dodge round the traffic lights need some enforcement action to change their behaviour to something safer. And will it happen? No.

Talk is cheap. You can pass all the Highway Acts you like, but without effective enforcement against the antisocial few, who is going to take any notice of them?

Much as I would like to believe in this idea that traffic moves more freely without traffic lights, I also know just how many junctions are roadsigned in York to take them into account, so if you want to abolish them, we'll need some clarification of road markings to make clear to some road users just who should give way to whom. And will you who ask for this bonfire of the traffic lights compensate the victims of any consequent accidents?
They already are bullying their way through. Watch any junction in York controlled by traffic lights, and with an advance stop box for cyclists, and you'll see the oncoming drivers keep moving despite the lights turning to amber then red. They won't stop because they know the first "vehicles" about to move off with the next phase will be cyclists, and they know that the cyclists will have to give way to motor vehicles for their own safety. This needs enforcement action, just as the barmpot cyclists I see trundling onto the pavement to dodge round the traffic lights need some enforcement action to change their behaviour to something safer. And will it happen? No. Talk is cheap. You can pass all the Highway Acts you like, but without effective enforcement against the antisocial few, who is going to take any notice of them? Much as I would like to believe in this idea that traffic moves more freely without traffic lights, I also know just how many junctions are roadsigned in York to take them into account, so if you want to abolish them, we'll need some clarification of road markings to make clear to some road users just who should give way to whom. And will you who ask for this bonfire of the traffic lights compensate the victims of any consequent accidents? skeifr
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12:45pm Tue 20 Nov 12

AnotherPointofView says...

skeifr wrote:
They already are bullying their way through. Watch any junction in York controlled by traffic lights, and with an advance stop box for cyclists, and you'll see the oncoming drivers keep moving despite the lights turning to amber then red. They won't stop because they know the first "vehicles" about to move off with the next phase will be cyclists, and they know that the cyclists will have to give way to motor vehicles for their own safety. This needs enforcement action, just as the barmpot cyclists I see trundling onto the pavement to dodge round the traffic lights need some enforcement action to change their behaviour to something safer. And will it happen? No. Talk is cheap. You can pass all the Highway Acts you like, but without effective enforcement against the antisocial few, who is going to take any notice of them? Much as I would like to believe in this idea that traffic moves more freely without traffic lights, I also know just how many junctions are roadsigned in York to take them into account, so if you want to abolish them, we'll need some clarification of road markings to make clear to some road users just who should give way to whom. And will you who ask for this bonfire of the traffic lights compensate the victims of any consequent accidents?
I have to agree, as a cyclist, motor cyclist, car and van driver (not all at the same time) everyday I witness cyclists going through red lights and cars/vans jumping lights.

Enforcement is the answer. regretably money and political will are in short supply, so it won't happen.
[quote][p][bold]skeifr[/bold] wrote: They already are bullying their way through. Watch any junction in York controlled by traffic lights, and with an advance stop box for cyclists, and you'll see the oncoming drivers keep moving despite the lights turning to amber then red. They won't stop because they know the first "vehicles" about to move off with the next phase will be cyclists, and they know that the cyclists will have to give way to motor vehicles for their own safety. This needs enforcement action, just as the barmpot cyclists I see trundling onto the pavement to dodge round the traffic lights need some enforcement action to change their behaviour to something safer. And will it happen? No. Talk is cheap. You can pass all the Highway Acts you like, but without effective enforcement against the antisocial few, who is going to take any notice of them? Much as I would like to believe in this idea that traffic moves more freely without traffic lights, I also know just how many junctions are roadsigned in York to take them into account, so if you want to abolish them, we'll need some clarification of road markings to make clear to some road users just who should give way to whom. And will you who ask for this bonfire of the traffic lights compensate the victims of any consequent accidents?[/p][/quote]I have to agree, as a cyclist, motor cyclist, car and van driver (not all at the same time) everyday I witness cyclists going through red lights and cars/vans jumping lights. Enforcement is the answer. regretably money and political will are in short supply, so it won't happen. AnotherPointofView
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3:41pm Tue 20 Nov 12

strangebuttrue? says...

Note how the Press reported that this caused delays for motorist when people who actually went through the junction appear to have found that traffic was flowing more easily as it does on all occasions when lights fail, even a cyclist found it easier. I guess the cyclist here does not have a minority agenda.

York Press appears to have the facts wrong from the witness statements here. Maybe you should give PP (who apparently did not witness this) another half column in your paper to convince people that there were queues with cyclist and pedestrians struggling to stay alive.

Major cause for concern these light failures. How are we to convince people that it is there irresponsible use of cars that are causing all the problems if we can’t even keep the real cause working.
Note how the Press reported that this caused delays for motorist when people who actually went through the junction appear to have found that traffic was flowing more easily as it does on all occasions when lights fail, even a cyclist found it easier. I guess the cyclist here does not have a minority agenda. York Press appears to have the facts wrong from the witness statements here. Maybe you should give PP (who apparently did not witness this) another half column in your paper to convince people that there were queues with cyclist and pedestrians struggling to stay alive. Major cause for concern these light failures. How are we to convince people that it is there irresponsible use of cars that are causing all the problems if we can’t even keep the real cause working. strangebuttrue?
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10:41pm Tue 20 Nov 12

oldgoat says...

What delayed traffic?
I drove through that junction several times on Sunday, and it was just a question of slowing to make sure no-one was trying to come tearing out of New Lane. Smooth as anything.

Exactly the same thing always happens when the Blossom Street lights fail. Smoother flow, no jams.

Hey - revolutionary idea - switch off all the traffic lights, just for one day! Save a fortune in bulbs and electricity!

I usually cycle through the Blossom Street junction when the lights have failed, btw!
What delayed traffic? I drove through that junction several times on Sunday, and it was just a question of slowing to make sure no-one was trying to come tearing out of New Lane. Smooth as anything. Exactly the same thing always happens when the Blossom Street lights fail. Smoother flow, no jams. Hey - revolutionary idea - switch off all the traffic lights, just for one day! Save a fortune in bulbs and electricity! I usually cycle through the Blossom Street junction when the lights have failed, btw! oldgoat
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4:23am Wed 21 Nov 12

Magicman! says...

Jim wrote:
I was on my bike on Saturday and turned right from New Lane into Malton Road without a problem and when returning later from the Hopgrove direction had no problems turning back into New Lane - it was actually easier than when the traffic lights are working.
When the traffic lights are working they are appauling for anybody trying to go from New Lane into Malton Road... between 8am and 11am they let through THREE cars on a green light, even if there are 20 in the line, and then they sit on red whilst sporadic traffic goes through in the other directions - and the same again between 3pm and 6pm, yet after 6pm they sit on green for New Lane whilst there's no traffic there and cars waiting on Malton Road.

Anybody would think they're programmed the wrong way around on purpose!!! O_o

A better solution would be to put a small roundabout there and reduce lanes on the outbound side of Malton Road to just one, so that when a car from the outbound lane is turning left into New Lane there is then space for a car to turn out of New Lane without being blocked by a vehicle going straight ahead in lane 2 (because lane 2 wouldn't be there)... the outbound lane would be in the space currently occupied by lane 1 with inbound traffic going where the current outbound lane 2 is, and this would allow the bus lane to continue without a break and so no traffic lights or bus gate. You could have an island at road level between the inbound traffic lane and the new bus lane so cycles can turn on the roundabout and then ride along the length of the island if there is a bus coming until it has passed so they can then cross to the cycle lane.

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"Queues also formed at the nearby junction of Heworth Road, East Parade and Melrosegate at the weekend because a “green man” signal allowing pedestrians to cross Heworth Road was staying on for longer than usual, so that motorists had to wait at the crossing for longer"
This is another one of those annoying junctions where traffic lights are not responsive to the actual demand. The green man delay also happens regularly at The Mount/Tadcaster Road junction with Abermarle Road.

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as for junction management, a new case needs to be put forward for an official sign to be made to show the "1st in = 1st out" principle that most people adopt at a junction where the lights are dead... and the regs could be such that stop lines still need to be in place, so that way all you need to do is take the signal heads down and put the new signs up and all is well!

Although it's in the Daily Wail, this is worth a read:
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/debate/articl
e-2233693/It-sounds-
daft-roads-miles-saf
er-tore-traffic-ligh
ts.html
[quote][p][bold]Jim[/bold] wrote: I was on my bike on Saturday and turned right from New Lane into Malton Road without a problem and when returning later from the Hopgrove direction had no problems turning back into New Lane - it was actually easier than when the traffic lights are working.[/p][/quote]When the traffic lights are working they are appauling for anybody trying to go from New Lane into Malton Road... between 8am and 11am they let through THREE cars on a green light, even if there are 20 in the line, and then they sit on red whilst sporadic traffic goes through in the other directions - and the same again between 3pm and 6pm, yet after 6pm they sit on green for New Lane whilst there's no traffic there and cars waiting on Malton Road. Anybody would think they're programmed the wrong way around on purpose!!! O_o A better solution would be to put a small roundabout there and reduce lanes on the outbound side of Malton Road to just one, so that when a car from the outbound lane is turning left into New Lane there is then space for a car to turn out of New Lane without being blocked by a vehicle going straight ahead in lane 2 (because lane 2 wouldn't be there)... the outbound lane would be in the space currently occupied by lane 1 with inbound traffic going where the current outbound lane 2 is, and this would allow the bus lane to continue without a break and so no traffic lights or bus gate. You could have an island at road level between the inbound traffic lane and the new bus lane so cycles can turn on the roundabout and then ride along the length of the island if there is a bus coming until it has passed so they can then cross to the cycle lane. -- "Queues also formed at the nearby junction of Heworth Road, East Parade and Melrosegate at the weekend because a “green man” signal allowing pedestrians to cross Heworth Road was staying on for longer than usual, so that motorists had to wait at the crossing for longer" This is another one of those annoying junctions where traffic lights are not responsive to the actual demand. The green man delay also happens regularly at The Mount/Tadcaster Road junction with Abermarle Road. -- as for junction management, a new case needs to be put forward for an official sign to be made to show the "1st in = 1st out" principle that most people adopt at a junction where the lights are dead... and the regs could be such that stop lines still need to be in place, so that way all you need to do is take the signal heads down and put the new signs up and all is well! Although it's in the Daily Wail, this is worth a read: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/debate/articl e-2233693/It-sounds- daft-roads-miles-saf er-tore-traffic-ligh ts.html Magicman!
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