Scotland is not just a Scottish problem

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First published in Letters by

I AM saddened that I have been denied my birth-right and do not have a vote in the Scottish Referendum.

However, it is clear that the campaign for independence has nothing to do with Scotland’s proud heritage and everything to do with a socialist grab for power.

We saw this in the debate where Alex Salmond and Alistair Darling were vying to outbid each other on how they could be more profligate with taxpayers’ money.

Neither explained how they would provide health services and avoid deep cuts once they had bankrupted the nation.

From John O Groats to Lands End, why is it that politicians – particularly the socialists – can’t tell it as it is: we have to live within our means.

That means local and national government running balanced budgets and encouraging economic enterprise through reduced taxation. Moreover, the private sector must be used in public services where it can provide better value for money.

Scotland will say NO to independence and – yes – the ‘Devo Max’ Genie will be out of the bottle. But that Genie works for us in England as well – an end to the Barnett Formula subsidies and a solution to the West Lothian Question will be essential.

Councillor Joe Watt, The Village, Skelton, York.

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10:04am Mon 1 Sep 14

Big Bad Wolf says...

Why would you expect a say in a country that you do not live in?
Why would you expect a say in a country that you do not live in? Big Bad Wolf
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12:19pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Pinza-C55 says...

There's an alternative possibility which must be troubling to the right wing - by which I mean the Tories , Liberals and much of the Labour party - and that is that Scotland votes Yes by a substantial majority and that Socialism works.
Health care is removed from the private sector and improves, the economy prospers and everything is rosy.
I hope this happens and the rest of the DUK (Disunited Kingdom) takes note.
There's an alternative possibility which must be troubling to the right wing - by which I mean the Tories , Liberals and much of the Labour party - and that is that Scotland votes Yes by a substantial majority and that Socialism works. Health care is removed from the private sector and improves, the economy prospers and everything is rosy. I hope this happens and the rest of the DUK (Disunited Kingdom) takes note. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 0

12:19pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Fat Harry says...

As Mr Watt surely knows, Salmond and Darling are about as socialist as he is.

I think we all know that Cameron, Clegg, Miliband, and Farage don't give a stuff about the ordinary people of these islands, so their unified opposition to Scots independence makes me think it's got to be a good thing.

Go for it, Scotland!
As Mr Watt surely knows, Salmond and Darling are about as socialist as he is. I think we all know that Cameron, Clegg, Miliband, and Farage don't give a stuff about the ordinary people of these islands, so their unified opposition to Scots independence makes me think it's got to be a good thing. Go for it, Scotland! Fat Harry
  • Score: 1

12:26pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Stevie D says...

Big Bad Wolf wrote:
Why would you expect a say in a country that you do not live in?
I live in the UK, that is the country where I live and that is the country that will be affected. If part of the UK wishes to secede from the UK, it affects everyone in the UK, not just the people in Scotland. We will no longer be the UK, we will be rUK.

What the effects will be, there is little agreement. Some people say that separating Scotland and rUK will be better for both, some people say it will be better for Scotland at the expense of rUK, some people say it will be better for rUK at the expense of Scotland, and some people say it will be worse for both.

It will change the economics and the politics of rUK, and to pretend that only people living in Scotland will be affected is naive or disingenuous.
[quote][p][bold]Big Bad Wolf[/bold] wrote: Why would you expect a say in a country that you do not live in?[/p][/quote]I live in the UK, that is the country where I live and that is the country that will be affected. If part of the UK wishes to secede from the UK, it affects everyone in the UK, not just the people in Scotland. We will no longer be the UK, we will be rUK. What the effects will be, there is little agreement. Some people say that separating Scotland and rUK will be better for both, some people say it will be better for Scotland at the expense of rUK, some people say it will be better for rUK at the expense of Scotland, and some people say it will be worse for both. It will change the economics and the politics of rUK, and to pretend that only people living in Scotland will be affected is naive or disingenuous. Stevie D
  • Score: 1

12:46pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Fat Harry says...

Stevie D wrote:
Big Bad Wolf wrote: Why would you expect a say in a country that you do not live in?
I live in the UK, that is the country where I live and that is the country that will be affected. If part of the UK wishes to secede from the UK, it affects everyone in the UK, not just the people in Scotland. We will no longer be the UK, we will be rUK. What the effects will be, there is little agreement. Some people say that separating Scotland and rUK will be better for both, some people say it will be better for Scotland at the expense of rUK, some people say it will be better for rUK at the expense of Scotland, and some people say it will be worse for both. It will change the economics and the politics of rUK, and to pretend that only people living in Scotland will be affected is naive or disingenuous.
Does that also mean that the votes which saw the likes of Lativia and Ukraine splitting from the Soviet Union were invalid, because 100,000,000 Russians weren't allowed to outvote them?

It's a tempting idea, because any country that still insisted on going it alone, could legitimately be invaded and forced back into line.

Oh hang on...
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Big Bad Wolf[/bold] wrote: Why would you expect a say in a country that you do not live in?[/p][/quote]I live in the UK, that is the country where I live and that is the country that will be affected. If part of the UK wishes to secede from the UK, it affects everyone in the UK, not just the people in Scotland. We will no longer be the UK, we will be rUK. What the effects will be, there is little agreement. Some people say that separating Scotland and rUK will be better for both, some people say it will be better for Scotland at the expense of rUK, some people say it will be better for rUK at the expense of Scotland, and some people say it will be worse for both. It will change the economics and the politics of rUK, and to pretend that only people living in Scotland will be affected is naive or disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Does that also mean that the votes which saw the likes of Lativia and Ukraine splitting from the Soviet Union were invalid, because 100,000,000 Russians weren't allowed to outvote them? It's a tempting idea, because any country that still insisted on going it alone, could legitimately be invaded and forced back into line. Oh hang on... Fat Harry
  • Score: 1

2:36am Tue 2 Sep 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

A vote for Scottish residents, not Scottish people Joe, otherwise a good letter.

As for power, the lights will be out North of the border, even before they are here if AS has his way.
A vote for Scottish residents, not Scottish people Joe, otherwise a good letter. As for power, the lights will be out North of the border, even before they are here if AS has his way. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -20

12:11pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Pinza-C55 says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
A vote for Scottish residents, not Scottish people Joe, otherwise a good letter.

As for power, the lights will be out North of the border, even before they are here if AS has his way.
That's unlikely. According to this article Scotland may be self sufficient in energy even if they close their 2 nuclear reactors when they are life expired. http://www.scotsman.
com/news/salmond-nuc
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lf-sufficient-scotla
nd-1-1073316
It also says "But Scotland needs only about 80 per cent of the electricity produced north of the Border for its own consumption and exports about 20 per cent to England."
I don't know how many of these statements are true but the fact is that Scotland is a less populous country than the rest of the UK and has more Hydro Electric power online.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: A vote for Scottish residents, not Scottish people Joe, otherwise a good letter. As for power, the lights will be out North of the border, even before they are here if AS has his way.[/p][/quote]That's unlikely. According to this article Scotland may be self sufficient in energy even if they close their 2 nuclear reactors when they are life expired. http://www.scotsman. com/news/salmond-nuc lear-redundant-in-se lf-sufficient-scotla nd-1-1073316 It also says "But Scotland needs only about 80 per cent of the electricity produced north of the Border for its own consumption and exports about 20 per cent to England." I don't know how many of these statements are true but the fact is that Scotland is a less populous country than the rest of the UK and has more Hydro Electric power online. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Stevie D says...

Fat Harry wrote:
Does that also mean that the votes which saw the likes of Lativia and Ukraine splitting from the Soviet Union were invalid, because 100,000,000 Russians weren't allowed to outvote them?

I don't think it wouldn't be fair to give them all equal votes, because that would pretty much rule out any such secession – but maybe a principle of the votes being weighted so that the two parts of the country carry equal power. If we applied that here, you would see a Scot's vote count for about 11 times what a rUKer's vote would count for.
[quote][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Does that also mean that the votes which saw the likes of Lativia and Ukraine splitting from the Soviet Union were invalid, because 100,000,000 Russians weren't allowed to outvote them?[/quote] I don't think it wouldn't be fair to give them all equal votes, because that would pretty much rule out any such secession – but maybe a principle of the votes being weighted so that the two parts of the country carry equal power. If we applied that here, you would see a Scot's vote count for about 11 times what a rUKer's vote would count for. Stevie D
  • Score: -1

12:53pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Stevie D wrote:
Fat Harry wrote:
Does that also mean that the votes which saw the likes of Lativia and Ukraine splitting from the Soviet Union were invalid, because 100,000,000 Russians weren't allowed to outvote them?

I don't think it wouldn't be fair to give them all equal votes, because that would pretty much rule out any such secession – but maybe a principle of the votes being weighted so that the two parts of the country carry equal power. If we applied that here, you would see a Scot's vote count for about 11 times what a rUKer's vote would count for.
So applying that principle if the Scots decided to have a vote on whether to take over England we would all end up as Scottish ?
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: Does that also mean that the votes which saw the likes of Lativia and Ukraine splitting from the Soviet Union were invalid, because 100,000,000 Russians weren't allowed to outvote them?[/quote] I don't think it wouldn't be fair to give them all equal votes, because that would pretty much rule out any such secession – but maybe a principle of the votes being weighted so that the two parts of the country carry equal power. If we applied that here, you would see a Scot's vote count for about 11 times what a rUKer's vote would count for.[/p][/quote]So applying that principle if the Scots decided to have a vote on whether to take over England we would all end up as Scottish ? Pinza-C55
  • Score: 2

2:59am Wed 3 Sep 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Just found out in the last 20 Hrs that if the vote went yes, Salmond would not accept any of the UK's £1.4 Trillion National debt!
Talk about leaving us in it? But it might just be a vote winner for him and big loser for us!
Dirty business politics...
Just found out in the last 20 Hrs that if the vote went yes, Salmond would not accept any of the UK's £1.4 Trillion National debt! Talk about leaving us in it? But it might just be a vote winner for him and big loser for us! Dirty business politics... ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 0

7:19am Wed 3 Sep 14

Pinza-C55 says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Just found out in the last 20 Hrs that if the vote went yes, Salmond would not accept any of the UK's £1.4 Trillion National debt!
Talk about leaving us in it? But it might just be a vote winner for him and big loser for us!
Dirty business politics...
Sounds like a smart move ! I may think about Scottish citizenship......
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Just found out in the last 20 Hrs that if the vote went yes, Salmond would not accept any of the UK's £1.4 Trillion National debt! Talk about leaving us in it? But it might just be a vote winner for him and big loser for us! Dirty business politics...[/p][/quote]Sounds like a smart move ! I may think about Scottish citizenship...... Pinza-C55
  • Score: 2

11:03pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Yorkieand says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Just found out in the last 20 Hrs that if the vote went yes, Salmond would not accept any of the UK's £1.4 Trillion National debt!
Talk about leaving us in it? But it might just be a vote winner for him and big loser for us!
Dirty business politics...
Nothing like stating half a story! Why not tell us exactly what Salmond said?
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Just found out in the last 20 Hrs that if the vote went yes, Salmond would not accept any of the UK's £1.4 Trillion National debt! Talk about leaving us in it? But it might just be a vote winner for him and big loser for us! Dirty business politics...[/p][/quote]Nothing like stating half a story! Why not tell us exactly what Salmond said? Yorkieand
  • Score: 0

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