Zone issues

Zone issues

Zone issues

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THERE has been all this controversy over the 20mph zones coming in all over York.

It is unpopular with the public and with the Lib Dems and Tory parties.

If they are so against it, will they overturn Labour's stance on this issue? Will this make Labour think and change their own minds? Is it worth it?

Alec Simpson, Wheatfield Lane, Haxby, York.

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4:37pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Oaklands Resident says...

Most objections to the 20 mph wide area zone are that they are a waste of £600,000 of taxpayers money. The signs are likely to be widely ignored on those streets where it is actually possible to accelerate to 20 mph in the space that is available.

Spending more revoking traffic orders and removing signs next year may be a case of throwing good money after bad.

However if the number of accidents on 20 mph limit streets increases, or if the Police adopt a zealous approach to enforcement, then that is what must happen.
Most objections to the 20 mph wide area zone are that they are a waste of £600,000 of taxpayers money. The signs are likely to be widely ignored on those streets where it is actually possible to accelerate to 20 mph in the space that is available. Spending more revoking traffic orders and removing signs next year may be a case of throwing good money after bad. However if the number of accidents on 20 mph limit streets increases, or if the Police adopt a zealous approach to enforcement, then that is what must happen. Oaklands Resident
  • Score: -17

6:33pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Jonothon says...

If the letter writer thinks the Tories oppose some 20mph limits, then why are they proposing it?
This is not a Labour initiative, it is a department of Transport recommendation to local authorities and is being rolled out nationwide, not just in York.

The contribution from the Oakland Resident is in the unlikely hope of breathing life back into the decaying corpse of the Lib Dems. No chance. This is a former party, passed over and gone before, singing in the choir invisible etc etc
If the letter writer thinks the Tories oppose some 20mph limits, then why are they proposing it? This is not a Labour initiative, it is a department of Transport recommendation to local authorities and is being rolled out nationwide, not just in York. The contribution from the Oakland Resident is in the unlikely hope of breathing life back into the decaying corpse of the Lib Dems. No chance. This is a former party, passed over and gone before, singing in the choir invisible etc etc Jonothon
  • Score: 29

8:32am Tue 10 Jun 14

Rod King - 20's Plenty for Us says...

My experience of 20mph implementations around the country is that opposition is entirely dependent on the stance taken by the politicians. In York its Labour for and Lib-Dem/Conservative in a coalition against. Yet in many other places both Lib-Dems and Conservatives support wide-area 20mph limits. In addition in British Social Attitudes Surveys , which strip out any political influence, then 73% of the public surveys thought 20mph was the right limit for residential streets.

It is also supported by DfT, Public Health England and central government who see the "bigger picture" on all the benefits to make our public realm a better place to be with lower speeds.

In most places 20mph limits will go in, the residents will benefit from them and by and large speed will be reduced. There may be some places which need additional signage, light touch engineering or enforcement, but that's not surprising.

But the only thing about 20mph limits in York is the way that certain politicians have used the issue to divide the community rather than bring it together for the common good.
My experience of 20mph implementations around the country is that opposition is entirely dependent on the stance taken by the politicians. In York its Labour for and Lib-Dem/Conservative in a coalition against. Yet in many other places both Lib-Dems and Conservatives support wide-area 20mph limits. In addition in British Social Attitudes Surveys , which strip out any political influence, then 73% of the public surveys thought 20mph was the right limit for residential streets. It is also supported by DfT, Public Health England and central government who see the "bigger picture" on all the benefits to make our public realm a better place to be with lower speeds. In most places 20mph limits will go in, the residents will benefit from them and by and large speed will be reduced. There may be some places which need additional signage, light touch engineering or enforcement, but that's not surprising. But the only thing about 20mph limits in York is the way that certain politicians have used the issue to divide the community rather than bring it together for the common good. Rod King - 20's Plenty for Us
  • Score: 7

8:34am Tue 10 Jun 14

Rod King - 20's Plenty for Us says...

Last para of last comment should say :-

"But the only thing that is really controversial about 20mph limits in York is the way that certain politicians have used the issue to divide the community rather than bring it together for the common good."
Last para of last comment should say :- "But the only thing that is really controversial about 20mph limits in York is the way that certain politicians have used the issue to divide the community rather than bring it together for the common good." Rod King - 20's Plenty for Us
  • Score: 26

11:47am Tue 10 Jun 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Most residents oppose this because it is a waste on money and ineffective and has nothing to do with politicians in York who Mr King obviously thinks control the minds of York residents. There is nothing good about increasing pollution further, making it even more difficult to get about the city and cluttering our streets with thousands of signs. Mr King goes on to tell us that we may have to fork out more money to force us to do something he wants us to do with his "light engineering" and more street clutter.

What is this "bigger picture" Mr King mentions? (which incidentally is a good put down to try to stop debate.) Is that the one where it becomes so difficult to travel by car that some give up trying? His group often say that one of the aims of this is to "encourage" more people to travel by bike, bus or walk. Would that not be bullying residents out of cars by causing them frustration? Forcing residents out of cars is the only thing which will achieve any reduction in pollution as driving at 20mph produces more pollution according to an AA report.

We have had hundreds of thousands of pounds taken out of our pockets to fund this scheme due to a little supported vocal minority who will not even tell you how many members they have nationally. Instead they will misleadingly tell you they have the support of councils which represent 11m people. Well Mr King you may have the support of a couple of councillors in York but neither of them appear to have much support from he vast majority of residents a similar story as your minority campaign group and your money wasting schemes and one I suspect which will apply to the rest of the country.

The vast majority of us will continue to drive at a speed appropriate to the road conditions at the time regardless of Mr King's signs and that may well be below 20mph down many of the streets which Mr King has now had labelled as being OK to drive down at 20mph.

Quick email to Anne now required from Mr Kings to get his supporters to make positive comments as per the secret emails story? Perhaps he can get them all to vote negative? Should give me about -150 if he gets all his members to vote?
Most residents oppose this because it is a waste on money and ineffective and has nothing to do with politicians in York who Mr King obviously thinks control the minds of York residents. There is nothing good about increasing pollution further, making it even more difficult to get about the city and cluttering our streets with thousands of signs. Mr King goes on to tell us that we may have to fork out more money to force us to do something he wants us to do with his "light engineering" and more street clutter. What is this "bigger picture" Mr King mentions? (which incidentally is a good put down to try to stop debate.) Is that the one where it becomes so difficult to travel by car that some give up trying? His group often say that one of the aims of this is to "encourage" more people to travel by bike, bus or walk. Would that not be bullying residents out of cars by causing them frustration? Forcing residents out of cars is the only thing which will achieve any reduction in pollution as driving at 20mph produces more pollution according to an AA report. We have had hundreds of thousands of pounds taken out of our pockets to fund this scheme due to a little supported vocal minority who will not even tell you how many members they have nationally. Instead they will misleadingly tell you they have the support of councils which represent 11m people. Well Mr King you may have the support of a couple of councillors in York but neither of them appear to have much support from he vast majority of residents a similar story as your minority campaign group and your money wasting schemes and one I suspect which will apply to the rest of the country. The vast majority of us will continue to drive at a speed appropriate to the road conditions at the time regardless of Mr King's signs and that may well be below 20mph down many of the streets which Mr King has now had labelled as being OK to drive down at 20mph. Quick email to Anne now required from Mr Kings to get his supporters to make positive comments as per the secret emails story? Perhaps he can get them all to vote negative? Should give me about -150 if he gets all his members to vote? strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -12

11:10pm Tue 10 Jun 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Less members than I thought.
Less members than I thought. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 0

9:33am Wed 11 Jun 14

old_geezer says...

"streets which Mr King has now had labelled as being OK to drive down at 20mph." - no he hasn't! Any speed limit is a MAXIMUM, and it's always illegal to drive faster than conditions allow.
"streets which Mr King has now had labelled as being OK to drive down at 20mph." - no he hasn't! Any speed limit is a MAXIMUM, and it's always illegal to drive faster than conditions allow. old_geezer
  • Score: -1

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