Voting confusion

Voting confusion

Voting confusion

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THE Electoral Commission should look into possible deliberate confusion that was designed into the York voting forms for the European Elections.

It had no logic. As I remember, the parties were neither alphabetical, nor in some natural order based on voting popularity with the main ones at the top. Strange the UKIP box was right at the bottom of a three part folded form when another European named minority party was right at the top.

This form is the basis of democracy and should in no way be as questionable as it was. No party, by law, should be allowed to have any words or names that bears any similarity to others on the electoral form.

If three part forms are going to be the norm then there should be a spare one to study in the polling station - or see it on a web site in order to give each voter time to consider the information.

Keith Massey, Mill Lane, York.

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10:27am Thu 29 May 14

julia brica says...

I quite agree with Keith, and that very observation has been mentioned in various conversations I have had and have been privy to throughout the town.
The confusion must have caused a distortion of the voting and that cannot be right.
I quite agree with Keith, and that very observation has been mentioned in various conversations I have had and have been privy to throughout the town. The confusion must have caused a distortion of the voting and that cannot be right. julia brica
  • Score: -10

10:47am Thu 29 May 14

The Great Buda says...

If you can't understand a voting form, they you shouldn't be allowed to vote full stop.
If you can't understand a voting form, they you shouldn't be allowed to vote full stop. The Great Buda
  • Score: 11

11:06am Thu 29 May 14

sensible_cynic. says...

Agree with GB on this one. The form really wasn't that difficult to understand.
Agree with GB on this one. The form really wasn't that difficult to understand. sensible_cynic.
  • Score: 16

11:32am Thu 29 May 14

Fat Harry says...

The parties WERE in alphabetical order.

"An Indpendence in Europe" was top because it begins with A
"United Kingdon Indpendence Party" was next to bottom because it begins with U, which comes after A B C L G etc.
"Yorkshire First" was bottom because it begins with Y which comes after U

I knew there were a lot of parties standing and took the usual precaution of finding a bit about each of the parties. When I got my ballot paper, I just looked down the list until I found the party I had decided upon and put a cross in the correct box.

Easy. Shame my choice lost, but I suspect this was because not enough people voted for them, not because I don't know the alphabet.
The parties WERE in alphabetical order. "An Indpendence in Europe" was top because it begins with A "United Kingdon Indpendence Party" was next to bottom because it begins with U, which comes after A B C L G etc. "Yorkshire First" was bottom because it begins with Y which comes after U I knew there were a lot of parties standing and took the usual precaution of finding a bit about each of the parties. When I got my ballot paper, I just looked down the list until I found the party I had decided upon and put a cross in the correct box. Easy. Shame my choice lost, but I suspect this was because not enough people voted for them, not because I don't know the alphabet. Fat Harry
  • Score: 17

12:11pm Thu 29 May 14

Stevie D says...

Fat Harry wrote:
"United Kingdon Indpendence Party"

Typos, I know, but if there genuinely had been a candidate standing under that party name then that would have been a genuine cause for concern and for feeling that people were being misled. As it was, anyone who couldn't make sense of the ballot paper should clearly be denied their vote on the grounds of not having the mental fitness to make an intelligent decision.
[quote][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: "United Kingdon Indpendence Party"[/quote] Typos, I know, but if there genuinely [italic]had[/italic] been a candidate standing under that party name then that would have been a genuine cause for concern and for feeling that people were being misled. As it was, anyone who couldn't make sense of the ballot paper should clearly be denied their vote on the grounds of not having the mental fitness to make an intelligent decision. Stevie D
  • Score: 3

12:26pm Thu 29 May 14

Bad magic says...

So there are muppets who vote without actually reading the ballot paper?
This somehow doesn't surprise me. Think of all the stringent mental effort it must take to work through a list of names before finding UKIP at the bottom.
So there are muppets who vote without actually reading the ballot paper? This somehow doesn't surprise me. Think of all the stringent mental effort it must take to work through a list of names before finding UKIP at the bottom. Bad magic
  • Score: 12

1:40pm Thu 29 May 14

York Castle says...

Voting Confusion? WHERE? I took the ballot paper, unfolded it, read it, found what I was looking for and voted. How much more simple could that be? I am confused by someone saying the ballot paper was confusing. Are they seriously confused or just trying to start a discussion?
Voting Confusion? WHERE? I took the ballot paper, unfolded it, read it, found what I was looking for and voted. How much more simple could that be? I am confused by someone saying the ballot paper was confusing. Are they seriously confused or just trying to start a discussion? York Castle
  • Score: 13

2:14pm Thu 29 May 14

SpinningJenny says...

As Fat Harry stated, the parties were indeed in alphabetical order.

'No party, by law, should be allowed to have any words or names that bears any similarity to others on the electoral form.'

By this logic, surely only one party would be able to use the word 'party' to describe themselves?
As Fat Harry stated, the parties were indeed in alphabetical order. 'No party, by law, should be allowed to have any words or names that bears any similarity to others on the electoral form.' By this logic, surely only one party would be able to use the word 'party' to describe themselves? SpinningJenny
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Thu 29 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

The Great Buda wrote:
If you can't understand a voting form, they you shouldn't be allowed to vote full stop.
Very democratic, NOT...... that's Labour for you!!

I bet that would go down well with all those who can't read or understand english? LOL
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: If you can't understand a voting form, they you shouldn't be allowed to vote full stop.[/p][/quote]Very democratic, NOT...... that's Labour for you!! I bet that would go down well with all those who can't read or understand english? LOL Badgers Drift
  • Score: -20

2:42pm Thu 29 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Stevie D wrote:
Fat Harry wrote: "United Kingdon Indpendence Party"
Typos, I know, but if there genuinely had been a candidate standing under that party name then that would have been a genuine cause for concern and for feeling that people were being misled. As it was, anyone who couldn't make sense of the ballot paper should clearly be denied their vote on the grounds of not having the mental fitness to make an intelligent decision.
The smug, arrogant, conceit of the left plumbs new depths....

Labour the party for equality?

Don't make me laugh!!!
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: "United Kingdon Indpendence Party"[/quote] Typos, I know, but if there genuinely [italic]had[/italic] been a candidate standing under that party name then that would have been a genuine cause for concern and for feeling that people were being misled. As it was, anyone who couldn't make sense of the ballot paper should clearly be denied their vote on the grounds of not having the mental fitness to make an intelligent decision.[/p][/quote]The smug, arrogant, conceit of the left plumbs new depths.... Labour the party for equality? Don't make me laugh!!! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -29

2:47pm Thu 29 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

Thankfully 11,294 UKIP voters put their 'X' in the right box - more than any other party in York. Same with Yorkshire & Humber and the UK - UKIP were the clear winners!
Thankfully 11,294 UKIP voters put their 'X' in the right box - more than any other party in York. Same with Yorkshire & Humber and the UK - UKIP were the clear winners! Badgers Drift
  • Score: -17

3:05pm Thu 29 May 14

Fat Harry says...

Stevie D wrote:
Fat Harry wrote: "United Kingdon Indpendence Party"
Typos, I know, but if there genuinely had been a candidate standing under that party name then that would have been a genuine cause for concern and for feeling that people were being misled. As it was, anyone who couldn't make sense of the ballot paper should clearly be denied their vote on the grounds of not having the mental fitness to make an intelligent decision.
I believe the current law came about after the intevention of a Literal Democrat candidate was deemed to have cost a Liberal Democrat candidate a seat in the European Parliament a few elections ago.

Not sure if that's when party logos began to appear on ballot papers as well.

Joking aside, I would oppose any attempt to limit the franchise according to "intelligence", but every voter must accept the responsibility lies with him/herself to ensure s/he votes for the correct candidate/party.
[quote][p][bold]Stevie D[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Fat Harry[/bold] wrote: "United Kingdon Indpendence Party"[/quote] Typos, I know, but if there genuinely [italic]had[/italic] been a candidate standing under that party name then that would have been a genuine cause for concern and for feeling that people were being misled. As it was, anyone who couldn't make sense of the ballot paper should clearly be denied their vote on the grounds of not having the mental fitness to make an intelligent decision.[/p][/quote]I believe the current law came about after the intevention of a Literal Democrat candidate was deemed to have cost a Liberal Democrat candidate a seat in the European Parliament a few elections ago. Not sure if that's when party logos began to appear on ballot papers as well. Joking aside, I would oppose any attempt to limit the franchise according to "intelligence", but every voter must accept the responsibility lies with him/herself to ensure s/he votes for the correct candidate/party. Fat Harry
  • Score: 3

3:36pm Thu 29 May 14

The Great Buda says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote:
If you can't understand a voting form, they you shouldn't be allowed to vote full stop.
Very democratic, NOT...... that's Labour for you!!

I bet that would go down well with all those who can't read or understand english? LOL
Why do you always assume I'm a Labour Voter?

You are a very strange man Paul.
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: If you can't understand a voting form, they you shouldn't be allowed to vote full stop.[/p][/quote]Very democratic, NOT...... that's Labour for you!! I bet that would go down well with all those who can't read or understand english? LOL[/p][/quote]Why do you always assume I'm a Labour Voter? You are a very strange man Paul. The Great Buda
  • Score: -1

3:49pm Thu 29 May 14

Badgers Drift says...

The Great Buda wrote:
Badgers Drift wrote:
The Great Buda wrote: If you can't understand a voting form, they you shouldn't be allowed to vote full stop.
Very democratic, NOT...... that's Labour for you!! I bet that would go down well with all those who can't read or understand english? LOL
Why do you always assume I'm a Labour Voter? You are a very strange man Paul.
Are you saying that you are not?
[quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Great Buda[/bold] wrote: If you can't understand a voting form, they you shouldn't be allowed to vote full stop.[/p][/quote]Very democratic, NOT...... that's Labour for you!! I bet that would go down well with all those who can't read or understand english? LOL[/p][/quote]Why do you always assume I'm a Labour Voter? You are a very strange man Paul.[/p][/quote]Are you saying that you are not? Badgers Drift
  • Score: -36

9:37pm Thu 29 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

so you didn't see the great big duplicate poster size ballot paper on the wall in the polling stations???

it was simple, easy to read and understand ! even the uninformed , uneducated, stupid, fascist/racist/xenop
hobic (the true nasty parties words (labour), not mine), 11,294 people who voted UKIP could understand it!
so you didn't see the great big duplicate poster size ballot paper on the wall in the polling stations??? it was simple, easy to read and understand ! even the uninformed , uneducated, stupid, fascist/racist/xenop hobic (the true nasty parties words (labour), not mine), 11,294 people who voted UKIP could understand it! oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -65

11:49pm Thu 29 May 14

inthesticks says...

Do you manage to find what you want in an Argos catalog?
Do you manage to find what you want in an Argos catalog? inthesticks
  • Score: 2

7:46pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Dr Robert says...

I think we can safely say by the above voting that the vote rigging idiot is a LABOUR binary thinking communist.
I think we can safely say by the above voting that the vote rigging idiot is a LABOUR binary thinking communist. Dr Robert
  • Score: 2

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