Ukip plan flawed

York Press: Ukip plan flawed Ukip plan flawed

I AM at a complete loss to understand the swing to Ukip. At the next General Election in May 2015 there are four realistically possible outcomes. A Conservative majority, a Labour majority, a Coalition of Conservative/Lib Dem or a coalition of Labour/Lib Dem. What is not realistically possible is a Ukip majority.

So let’s analyse the possibles. If Labour win a majority they are committed to staying in Europe. The Lib Dems are also committed to this so whoever forms a coalition with them will have to stay in Europe.

This is why the current Conservative promise of an in/out referendum on Europe has not passed into law – the Lib Dems and Labour combined to defeat the bill. So the Conservatives followed the only route left to them which is to promise a referendum if they win a majority at the next General Election.

Given the groundswell of opinion on Europe I have no doubt that if the Conservatives win a majority they won’t renege on this promise. Net result – the only possible way the Eurosceptics can hope to get an in/out vote on Europe is to hope for a Conservative Government after the next General Election.

So why aren’t Ukip telling their supporters to vote Conservative? Could it be that Nigel Farage and his band of merry men are enjoying being part of the gravy train as MEPs?

Tony Taylor, Grassholme, Woodthorpe, York.

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4:42pm Tue 27 May 14

CHISSY1 says...

Are you for real,UKIP are trying to get this country back to being ruled by us,not by a bunch of foreigners.
Are you for real,UKIP are trying to get this country back to being ruled by us,not by a bunch of foreigners. CHISSY1
  • Score: -50

6:00pm Tue 27 May 14

Dr Robert says...

Tony Taylor says he at a complete loss as to the massive swing to UKIP, therefore showing his complete ignorance of what has been going on in Britain for years. We cannot get deport foreign rapists and murderers because they bleat 'article 8' of the European Human rights garbage. ' their right to a family life in the UK'. The Tories and previously Labour gave and still are giving billions of our pounds to Countries that do not like our Western ways, yet pay Nurses a pittance. Being part of Europe obviously also includes Britain having to accept all and sundry from within the EU regardless of skills, We are also a Island which may have skipped Mr Taylor's attention, therefore only a certain amount of space. Take your head out of the sand and grow up to what is happening around you.
Tony Taylor says he at a complete loss as to the massive swing to UKIP, therefore showing his complete ignorance of what has been going on in Britain for years. We cannot get deport foreign rapists and murderers because they bleat 'article 8' of the European Human rights garbage. ' their right to a family life in the UK'. The Tories and previously Labour gave and still are giving billions of our pounds to Countries that do not like our Western ways, yet pay Nurses a pittance. Being part of Europe obviously also includes Britain having to accept all and sundry from within the EU regardless of skills, We are also a Island which may have skipped Mr Taylor's attention, therefore only a certain amount of space. Take your head out of the sand and grow up to what is happening around you. Dr Robert
  • Score: -27

6:22pm Tue 27 May 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Quite right Dr Robert. What on earth is Tony on? How can anyone say how the next general election will go. After all, the last election didn't go the way Tony thought it would so how can he be right next time?
God forbid, we could even get a Green Government in 2015 if the 2/3rds of people who didn't vote decided to vote for that party?
So, all it takes is for even more people to vote UKIP and you have a UKIP government, further, the UKIP vote is on the rise so get real.
We can't carry on like this or wait until 2017 for the possibility of a vote.
The rise in the UKIP vote should not have been a surprise to anyone as they are the only party to take our over population and expanding number of foreign nationals as a very serious problem that requires urgent action. They are also the only 'mainstream' party to challenge the great global warming scam and the associated Green taxes and regulations that cost us all a fortune with no real benefit. If not UKIP then who?
Quite right Dr Robert. What on earth is Tony on? How can anyone say how the next general election will go. After all, the last election didn't go the way Tony thought it would so how can he be right next time? God forbid, we could even get a Green Government in 2015 if the 2/3rds of people who didn't vote decided to vote for that party? So, all it takes is for even more people to vote UKIP and you have a UKIP government, further, the UKIP vote is on the rise so get real. We can't carry on like this or wait until 2017 for the possibility of a vote. The rise in the UKIP vote should not have been a surprise to anyone as they are the only party to take our over population and expanding number of foreign nationals as a very serious problem that requires urgent action. They are also the only 'mainstream' party to challenge the great global warming scam and the associated Green taxes and regulations that cost us all a fortune with no real benefit. If not UKIP then who? ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -31

6:45pm Tue 27 May 14

inmandres says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Quite right Dr Robert. What on earth is Tony on? How can anyone say how the next general election will go. After all, the last election didn't go the way Tony thought it would so how can he be right next time? God forbid, we could even get a Green Government in 2015 if the 2/3rds of people who didn't vote decided to vote for that party? So, all it takes is for even more people to vote UKIP and you have a UKIP government, further, the UKIP vote is on the rise so get real. We can't carry on like this or wait until 2017 for the possibility of a vote. The rise in the UKIP vote should not have been a surprise to anyone as they are the only party to take our over population and expanding number of foreign nationals as a very serious problem that requires urgent action. They are also the only 'mainstream' party to challenge the great global warming scam and the associated Green taxes and regulations that cost us all a fortune with no real benefit. If not UKIP then who?
I think it's you who needs to 'get real', ColdAs. A kipper government? Even your leader the blazered drunk knows that isn't going to happen. 'Mainstream party'? How can the kippers be considered mainstream? They have no MP's, they run no city or town councils, and they run no local authorities. That makes them a lobby group.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Quite right Dr Robert. What on earth is Tony on? How can anyone say how the next general election will go. After all, the last election didn't go the way Tony thought it would so how can he be right next time? God forbid, we could even get a Green Government in 2015 if the 2/3rds of people who didn't vote decided to vote for that party? So, all it takes is for even more people to vote UKIP and you have a UKIP government, further, the UKIP vote is on the rise so get real. We can't carry on like this or wait until 2017 for the possibility of a vote. The rise in the UKIP vote should not have been a surprise to anyone as they are the only party to take our over population and expanding number of foreign nationals as a very serious problem that requires urgent action. They are also the only 'mainstream' party to challenge the great global warming scam and the associated Green taxes and regulations that cost us all a fortune with no real benefit. If not UKIP then who?[/p][/quote]I think it's you who needs to 'get real', ColdAs. A kipper government? Even your leader the blazered drunk knows that isn't going to happen. 'Mainstream party'? How can the kippers be considered mainstream? They have no MP's, they run no city or town councils, and they run no local authorities. That makes them a lobby group. inmandres
  • Score: 41

7:33pm Tue 27 May 14

julia brica says...

inmandres wrote:
ColdAsChristmas wrote:
Quite right Dr Robert. What on earth is Tony on? How can anyone say how the next general election will go. After all, the last election didn't go the way Tony thought it would so how can he be right next time? God forbid, we could even get a Green Government in 2015 if the 2/3rds of people who didn't vote decided to vote for that party? So, all it takes is for even more people to vote UKIP and you have a UKIP government, further, the UKIP vote is on the rise so get real. We can't carry on like this or wait until 2017 for the possibility of a vote. The rise in the UKIP vote should not have been a surprise to anyone as they are the only party to take our over population and expanding number of foreign nationals as a very serious problem that requires urgent action. They are also the only 'mainstream' party to challenge the great global warming scam and the associated Green taxes and regulations that cost us all a fortune with no real benefit. If not UKIP then who?
I think it's you who needs to 'get real', ColdAs. A kipper government? Even your leader the blazered drunk knows that isn't going to happen. 'Mainstream party'? How can the kippers be considered mainstream? They have no MP's, they run no city or town councils, and they run no local authorities. That makes them a lobby group.
Well as lobby groups go, they are making a lot of waves.
[quote][p][bold]inmandres[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: Quite right Dr Robert. What on earth is Tony on? How can anyone say how the next general election will go. After all, the last election didn't go the way Tony thought it would so how can he be right next time? God forbid, we could even get a Green Government in 2015 if the 2/3rds of people who didn't vote decided to vote for that party? So, all it takes is for even more people to vote UKIP and you have a UKIP government, further, the UKIP vote is on the rise so get real. We can't carry on like this or wait until 2017 for the possibility of a vote. The rise in the UKIP vote should not have been a surprise to anyone as they are the only party to take our over population and expanding number of foreign nationals as a very serious problem that requires urgent action. They are also the only 'mainstream' party to challenge the great global warming scam and the associated Green taxes and regulations that cost us all a fortune with no real benefit. If not UKIP then who?[/p][/quote]I think it's you who needs to 'get real', ColdAs. A kipper government? Even your leader the blazered drunk knows that isn't going to happen. 'Mainstream party'? How can the kippers be considered mainstream? They have no MP's, they run no city or town councils, and they run no local authorities. That makes them a lobby group.[/p][/quote]Well as lobby groups go, they are making a lot of waves. julia brica
  • Score: -29

8:49pm Tue 27 May 14

Jonothon says...

I thought I could make a killing by betting that UKIP would not have even a whisper of a chance at the General Election. So I checked the odds
Unfortunately the bookies agree with me, The odds on total seats for UKIP at the General Election are (Betfair) ---
None 11/8
one to five 8/5
over five 14/5

My suggestion is to have a punt on them getting none, though you won't make much as the bookies think it is a likely outcome. The odds will shorten as we get closer to the event. Better still, find a gullible Kipper who is bouyed up by the recent success, he will probably take a bet at favourable odds and you can earn yourself a few beer tokens.
I thought I could make a killing by betting that UKIP would not have even a whisper of a chance at the General Election. So I checked the odds Unfortunately the bookies agree with me, The odds on total seats for UKIP at the General Election are (Betfair) --- None 11/8 one to five 8/5 over five 14/5 My suggestion is to have a punt on them getting none, though you won't make much as the bookies think it is a likely outcome. The odds will shorten as we get closer to the event. Better still, find a gullible Kipper who is bouyed up by the recent success, he will probably take a bet at favourable odds and you can earn yourself a few beer tokens. Jonothon
  • Score: 40

3:00am Wed 28 May 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Sounds like you have a gambling addiction, Jonothon! There might be a UKIP MP sooner than you think?
Sounds like you have a gambling addiction, Jonothon! There might be a UKIP MP sooner than you think? ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -21

7:27am Wed 28 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Jonothon wrote:
I thought I could make a killing by betting that UKIP would not have even a whisper of a chance at the General Election. So I checked the odds
Unfortunately the bookies agree with me, The odds on total seats for UKIP at the General Election are (Betfair) ---
None 11/8
one to five 8/5
over five 14/5

My suggestion is to have a punt on them getting none, though you won't make much as the bookies think it is a likely outcome. The odds will shorten as we get closer to the event. Better still, find a gullible Kipper who is bouyed up by the recent success, he will probably take a bet at favourable odds and you can earn yourself a few beer tokens.
i reckon UKIP could take huge batley's seat next year , i know lots of ex labour voters who have stated they voted UKIP last week AND it wasn't just a protest vote.
[quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: I thought I could make a killing by betting that UKIP would not have even a whisper of a chance at the General Election. So I checked the odds Unfortunately the bookies agree with me, The odds on total seats for UKIP at the General Election are (Betfair) --- None 11/8 one to five 8/5 over five 14/5 My suggestion is to have a punt on them getting none, though you won't make much as the bookies think it is a likely outcome. The odds will shorten as we get closer to the event. Better still, find a gullible Kipper who is bouyed up by the recent success, he will probably take a bet at favourable odds and you can earn yourself a few beer tokens.[/p][/quote]i reckon UKIP could take huge batley's seat next year , i know lots of ex labour voters who have stated they voted UKIP last week AND it wasn't just a protest vote. oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -9

9:12am Wed 28 May 14

Jonothon says...

oi oi savaloy wrote:
Jonothon wrote:
I thought I could make a killing by betting that UKIP would not have even a whisper of a chance at the General Election. So I checked the odds
Unfortunately the bookies agree with me, The odds on total seats for UKIP at the General Election are (Betfair) ---
None 11/8
one to five 8/5
over five 14/5

My suggestion is to have a punt on them getting none, though you won't make much as the bookies think it is a likely outcome. The odds will shorten as we get closer to the event. Better still, find a gullible Kipper who is bouyed up by the recent success, he will probably take a bet at favourable odds and you can earn yourself a few beer tokens.
i reckon UKIP could take huge batley's seat next year , i know lots of ex labour voters who have stated they voted UKIP last week AND it wasn't just a protest vote.
Keep taking the tablets
[quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: I thought I could make a killing by betting that UKIP would not have even a whisper of a chance at the General Election. So I checked the odds Unfortunately the bookies agree with me, The odds on total seats for UKIP at the General Election are (Betfair) --- None 11/8 one to five 8/5 over five 14/5 My suggestion is to have a punt on them getting none, though you won't make much as the bookies think it is a likely outcome. The odds will shorten as we get closer to the event. Better still, find a gullible Kipper who is bouyed up by the recent success, he will probably take a bet at favourable odds and you can earn yourself a few beer tokens.[/p][/quote]i reckon UKIP could take huge batley's seat next year , i know lots of ex labour voters who have stated they voted UKIP last week AND it wasn't just a protest vote.[/p][/quote]Keep taking the tablets Jonothon
  • Score: -12

12:48pm Wed 28 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Jonothon wrote:
oi oi savaloy wrote:
Jonothon wrote:
I thought I could make a killing by betting that UKIP would not have even a whisper of a chance at the General Election. So I checked the odds
Unfortunately the bookies agree with me, The odds on total seats for UKIP at the General Election are (Betfair) ---
None 11/8
one to five 8/5
over five 14/5

My suggestion is to have a punt on them getting none, though you won't make much as the bookies think it is a likely outcome. The odds will shorten as we get closer to the event. Better still, find a gullible Kipper who is bouyed up by the recent success, he will probably take a bet at favourable odds and you can earn yourself a few beer tokens.
i reckon UKIP could take huge batley's seat next year , i know lots of ex labour voters who have stated they voted UKIP last week AND it wasn't just a protest vote.
Keep taking the tablets
well considering that the votes cast for him have reduced drastically since the 97 election , I think it's you who needs to get down to the chemist..
down from just under 35,000 votes in 1997 to just over 18,500 in 2010, his vote was down 9% from the previous election and the tories was up 3%(all parties were up on votes bar labour and green) , I think a lot of people are sick to death of him (and alexanders motley crew) and are looking for a new alternative.
[quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oi oi savaloy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: I thought I could make a killing by betting that UKIP would not have even a whisper of a chance at the General Election. So I checked the odds Unfortunately the bookies agree with me, The odds on total seats for UKIP at the General Election are (Betfair) --- None 11/8 one to five 8/5 over five 14/5 My suggestion is to have a punt on them getting none, though you won't make much as the bookies think it is a likely outcome. The odds will shorten as we get closer to the event. Better still, find a gullible Kipper who is bouyed up by the recent success, he will probably take a bet at favourable odds and you can earn yourself a few beer tokens.[/p][/quote]i reckon UKIP could take huge batley's seat next year , i know lots of ex labour voters who have stated they voted UKIP last week AND it wasn't just a protest vote.[/p][/quote]Keep taking the tablets[/p][/quote]well considering that the votes cast for him have reduced drastically since the 97 election , I think it's you who needs to get down to the chemist.. down from just under 35,000 votes in 1997 to just over 18,500 in 2010, his vote was down 9% from the previous election and the tories was up 3%(all parties were up on votes bar labour and green) , I think a lot of people are sick to death of him (and alexanders motley crew) and are looking for a new alternative. oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -5

1:01pm Wed 28 May 14

/kev/null says...

I was thinking if we kicked all the right wing lunatics out we could make room for more of those nice hard-working Polish people.
I was thinking if we kicked all the right wing lunatics out we could make room for more of those nice hard-working Polish people. /kev/null
  • Score: -2

6:28pm Wed 28 May 14

bravo whisky says...

I think the Press can narrow down who the lunatic vote fixer is , ' a left wing commie comes over very strong ''
I think the Press can narrow down who the lunatic vote fixer is , ' a left wing commie comes over very strong '' bravo whisky
  • Score: 2

7:26pm Wed 28 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

/kev/null wrote:
I was thinking if we kicked all the right wing lunatics out we could make room for more of those nice hard-working Polish people.
some ethnic cleansing perhaps? labour supporters are now showing their true colours
[quote][p][bold]/kev/null[/bold] wrote: I was thinking if we kicked all the right wing lunatics out we could make room for more of those nice hard-working Polish people.[/p][/quote]some ethnic cleansing perhaps? labour supporters are now showing their true colours oi oi savaloy
  • Score: 2

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