Forget big three

Forget big three

Forget big three

First published in Letters by

I JUST do not understand the mentality of most voters! It seems they are like lemmings ready to throw themselves over a cliff.

They give their precious votes to parties who have broken Britain, given away our country and practically bankrupted us. The only party who has listened to the people is Ukip.

The Conservatives are now informing us they will listen, as are Labour, but it’s too late! Between Labour and the Conservatives they have had 35 years to listen and help us and nothing changed.

So let’s see a new party make changes. We have put up with the big three for too long. They had their chance and have now lost it.

David Wardell, Malton Road, York.

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3:13pm Tue 27 May 14

SpinningJenny says...

That's all well and good but when it gets to crunch time, only the Conservatives and Labour have actually had experience at running the country. Plenty of voters are aware of that and are reluctant to vote in smaller parties since there's no proof they will be competent at running a huge economy or society.
That's all well and good but when it gets to crunch time, only the Conservatives and Labour have actually had experience at running the country. Plenty of voters are aware of that and are reluctant to vote in smaller parties since there's no proof they will be competent at running a huge economy or society. SpinningJenny
  • Score: 26

4:22pm Tue 27 May 14

old_geezer says...

The two main parties will adapt by stealing most of UKIP's clothes. In a few years UKIP will have faded away, while the Lib Dems if they're lucky will return to being the protest vote. But note that coalitions with the Tories first finished the Liberals and Lloyd George, then split Labour and destroyed Ramsay Macdonald. Clegg's a busted flush.
The two main parties will adapt by stealing most of UKIP's clothes. In a few years UKIP will have faded away, while the Lib Dems if they're lucky will return to being the protest vote. But note that coalitions with the Tories first finished the Liberals and Lloyd George, then split Labour and destroyed Ramsay Macdonald. Clegg's a busted flush. old_geezer
  • Score: -23

6:12pm Tue 27 May 14

wildthing666 says...

They will listen until they get the majority vote then do as they have always done whatever they fecking well like. only UKIP is listening and only UKIP will keep listening.
They will listen until they get the majority vote then do as they have always done whatever they fecking well like. only UKIP is listening and only UKIP will keep listening. wildthing666
  • Score: -27

6:45pm Tue 27 May 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

SpinningJenny wrote:
That's all well and good but when it gets to crunch time, only the Conservatives and Labour have actually had experience at running the country. Plenty of voters are aware of that and are reluctant to vote in smaller parties since there's no proof they will be competent at running a huge economy or society.
Much of the LibLabCon are actually career polititions without experience in the real world. Compare that to most UKIP candidates, Councillors and MEP's. Plenty of proof that the LibLabCon has failed.

It was the British motor industry that relieved us of our post war debt. There is not much to show for it now with the profits mostly going to foreign countries. The same can be said for the energy industry. LabCon governments managed that and wasted countless £Billions. The TV airwaves have been sold off and the Royal Mail undersold and not a penny went to paying back the National debt!

And before anyone suggests that coming out of the European Union will cost us jobs and trade. Just ask yourself how all this Chinese stuff gets here?

PS: You want proof? Vote UKIP and find out for yourself.
[quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: That's all well and good but when it gets to crunch time, only the Conservatives and Labour have actually had experience at running the country. Plenty of voters are aware of that and are reluctant to vote in smaller parties since there's no proof they will be competent at running a huge economy or society.[/p][/quote]Much of the LibLabCon are actually career polititions without experience in the real world. Compare that to most UKIP candidates, Councillors and MEP's. Plenty of proof that the LibLabCon has failed. It was the British motor industry that relieved us of our post war debt. There is not much to show for it now with the profits mostly going to foreign countries. The same can be said for the energy industry. LabCon governments managed that and wasted countless £Billions. The TV airwaves have been sold off and the Royal Mail undersold and not a penny went to paying back the National debt! And before anyone suggests that coming out of the European Union will cost us jobs and trade. Just ask yourself how all this Chinese stuff gets here? PS: You want proof? Vote UKIP and find out for yourself. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -22

6:49pm Tue 27 May 14

inmandres says...

ColdAsChristmas wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote: That's all well and good but when it gets to crunch time, only the Conservatives and Labour have actually had experience at running the country. Plenty of voters are aware of that and are reluctant to vote in smaller parties since there's no proof they will be competent at running a huge economy or society.
Much of the LibLabCon are actually career polititions without experience in the real world. Compare that to most UKIP candidates, Councillors and MEP's. Plenty of proof that the LibLabCon has failed. It was the British motor industry that relieved us of our post war debt. There is not much to show for it now with the profits mostly going to foreign countries. The same can be said for the energy industry. LabCon governments managed that and wasted countless £Billions. The TV airwaves have been sold off and the Royal Mail undersold and not a penny went to paying back the National debt! And before anyone suggests that coming out of the European Union will cost us jobs and trade. Just ask yourself how all this Chinese stuff gets here? PS: You want proof? Vote UKIP and find out for yourself.
I think I'll vote for a career politician to look after the interests of my country. The clue is in the word 'career'. The kippers are amateurs with no idea. If I was going into hospital for an operation I would much rather that operation was performed by a career surgeon.
[quote][p][bold]ColdAsChristmas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: That's all well and good but when it gets to crunch time, only the Conservatives and Labour have actually had experience at running the country. Plenty of voters are aware of that and are reluctant to vote in smaller parties since there's no proof they will be competent at running a huge economy or society.[/p][/quote]Much of the LibLabCon are actually career polititions without experience in the real world. Compare that to most UKIP candidates, Councillors and MEP's. Plenty of proof that the LibLabCon has failed. It was the British motor industry that relieved us of our post war debt. There is not much to show for it now with the profits mostly going to foreign countries. The same can be said for the energy industry. LabCon governments managed that and wasted countless £Billions. The TV airwaves have been sold off and the Royal Mail undersold and not a penny went to paying back the National debt! And before anyone suggests that coming out of the European Union will cost us jobs and trade. Just ask yourself how all this Chinese stuff gets here? PS: You want proof? Vote UKIP and find out for yourself.[/p][/quote]I think I'll vote for a career politician to look after the interests of my country. The clue is in the word 'career'. The kippers are amateurs with no idea. If I was going into hospital for an operation I would much rather that operation was performed by a career surgeon. inmandres
  • Score: 78

7:03pm Tue 27 May 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

With little or no experience in the real world. No thanks!
With little or no experience in the real world. No thanks! ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -15

8:28pm Tue 27 May 14

Jonothon says...

When he asks how the Chinese trade with Europe, ColsAs reveals his lack of understanding of how the market operates,
The cost to the Chinese is of trading in Europe is vast. They have to pay billions in Vat and Import Duty. China would dearly love to have the free access to the EU market which Britain currently enjoys., but as a non-European country they do not qualify

Within the EU most goods, including Britain's are in free circulation. They are not even treated as imports, often being referred to simply as a ‘movement’ of goods, or ‘acquisition’. The term ‘importing’ is used with the implied meaning that the goods have come from outside the EU.
Imports from outside the EU are treated differently:
You must make an import declaration to customs
You generally have to pay import duty and import VAT (plus VAT on import duty). Britain has access to this Market of 500 million without incurring VAT and import duty costs'

This is why major exporters have made it clear that if Britain leaves Europe (dream on, UKIP) they will relocate away from the UK
When he asks how the Chinese trade with Europe, ColsAs reveals his lack of understanding of how the market operates, The cost to the Chinese is of trading in Europe is vast. They have to pay billions in Vat and Import Duty. China would dearly love to have the free access to the EU market which Britain currently enjoys., but as a non-European country they do not qualify Within the EU most goods, including Britain's are in free circulation. They are not even treated as imports, often being referred to simply as a ‘movement’ of goods, or ‘acquisition’. The term ‘importing’ is used with the implied meaning that the goods have come from outside the EU. Imports from outside the EU are treated differently: You must make an import declaration to customs You generally have to pay import duty and import VAT (plus VAT on import duty). Britain has access to this Market of 500 million without incurring VAT and import duty costs' This is why major exporters have made it clear that if Britain leaves Europe (dream on, UKIP) they will relocate away from the UK Jonothon
  • Score: 23

8:45pm Tue 27 May 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Jonothon wrote:
When he asks how the Chinese trade with Europe, ColsAs reveals his lack of understanding of how the market operates,
The cost to the Chinese is of trading in Europe is vast. They have to pay billions in Vat and Import Duty. China would dearly love to have the free access to the EU market which Britain currently enjoys., but as a non-European country they do not qualify

Within the EU most goods, including Britain's are in free circulation. They are not even treated as imports, often being referred to simply as a ‘movement’ of goods, or ‘acquisition’. The term ‘importing’ is used with the implied meaning that the goods have come from outside the EU.
Imports from outside the EU are treated differently:
You must make an import declaration to customs
You generally have to pay import duty and import VAT (plus VAT on import duty). Britain has access to this Market of 500 million without incurring VAT and import duty costs'

This is why major exporters have made it clear that if Britain leaves Europe (dream on, UKIP) they will relocate away from the UK
"Britain has access to this Market of 500 million without incurring VAT and import duty costs"
And of course vice versa. The difference is that in many of the newer members of the EU such as Romania, wages are significantly lower than in the UK.
According to this chart http://www.tradingec
onomics.com/romania/
wages the average monthly wage in Romania is 2247 RON and the exchange rate is 1 RON = £0.18 and when you multiply these figures you get £404 a MONTH.
That's why it is cheaper for UK companies to relocate to Eastern Europe such as Terrys.
"This is why major exporters have made it clear that if Britain leaves Europe (dream on, UKIP) they will relocate away from the UK"
That is precisely what they have been doing in droves for years. In any case I don't think we should allow them to threaten us ?
[quote][p][bold]Jonothon[/bold] wrote: When he asks how the Chinese trade with Europe, ColsAs reveals his lack of understanding of how the market operates, The cost to the Chinese is of trading in Europe is vast. They have to pay billions in Vat and Import Duty. China would dearly love to have the free access to the EU market which Britain currently enjoys., but as a non-European country they do not qualify Within the EU most goods, including Britain's are in free circulation. They are not even treated as imports, often being referred to simply as a ‘movement’ of goods, or ‘acquisition’. The term ‘importing’ is used with the implied meaning that the goods have come from outside the EU. Imports from outside the EU are treated differently: You must make an import declaration to customs You generally have to pay import duty and import VAT (plus VAT on import duty). Britain has access to this Market of 500 million without incurring VAT and import duty costs' This is why major exporters have made it clear that if Britain leaves Europe (dream on, UKIP) they will relocate away from the UK[/p][/quote]"Britain has access to this Market of 500 million without incurring VAT and import duty costs" And of course vice versa. The difference is that in many of the newer members of the EU such as Romania, wages are significantly lower than in the UK. According to this chart http://www.tradingec onomics.com/romania/ wages the average monthly wage in Romania is 2247 RON and the exchange rate is 1 RON = £0.18 and when you multiply these figures you get £404 a MONTH. That's why it is cheaper for UK companies to relocate to Eastern Europe such as Terrys. "This is why major exporters have made it clear that if Britain leaves Europe (dream on, UKIP) they will relocate away from the UK" That is precisely what they have been doing in droves for years. In any case I don't think we should allow them to threaten us ? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -3

11:00pm Tue 27 May 14

Stevie D says...

People who are saying "The LibLabCons are all the same ... I want to vote for someone different, I'm going to vote for UKIP" are like people saying "I'm fed up with having colds, I want something different, I'm going to go and get syphilis". Yes, they are different ... but that doesn't mean they are better.

Farage is every atom as much of the upper class as Cameron, Clegg and Miliband, he just does a better job of pretending to get chummy with the plebs because he has a pint glass as a permanent prop. He wouldn't do anything to help the working class if his life depended on it. He's just using people's fears and ignorance about the EU to spread lies and mistrust, and if he ever gets a sniff of power he will show himself to be far more corrupt and malevolent than any other party leader besides Nick Griffin.
People who are saying "The LibLabCons are all the same ... I want to vote for someone different, I'm going to vote for UKIP" are like people saying "I'm fed up with having colds, I want something different, I'm going to go and get syphilis". Yes, they are different ... but that doesn't mean they are better. Farage is every atom as much of the upper class as Cameron, Clegg and Miliband, he just does a better job of pretending to get chummy with the plebs because he has a pint glass as a permanent prop. He wouldn't do anything to help the working class if his life depended on it. He's just using people's fears and ignorance about the EU to spread lies and mistrust, and if he ever gets a sniff of power he will show himself to be far more corrupt and malevolent than any other party leader besides Nick Griffin. Stevie D
  • Score: 41

11:44pm Tue 27 May 14

Magicman! says...

SpinningJenny wrote:
That's all well and good but when it gets to crunch time, only the Conservatives and Labour have actually had experience at running the country. Plenty of voters are aware of that and are reluctant to vote in smaller parties since there's no proof they will be competent at running a huge economy or society.
This is the attitude a lot of employers take... they only hire people that already have experience. But how do you get that experience in the first place unless somebody hires you??

I'm not necessarily saying UKIP is the way to go, I am saying that everybody has to start somewhere. The other political parties have been throwing insults at UKIP, calling them all racists and bigots - but as history has shown, this is just a playground tactic that somebody losing an argument takes (take a look at Aethists when having a discussion with people who have strong religious view - who starts throwing insults first? or what about the man-made climate change brigade versus the climate skeptics - you'll find it's the pro climate change people who start launching the attacks first).

The current political situation is this:-
- Labour led us into a phoney baloney war which wasted resources, and then opened the floodgates for immigration whilst not keeping a track on the banking industry, leading to a major financial crisis
- Conservatives are self-serving elitists who are only out to line their own pockets by privatising everything they can get their slimy hands on, at the expense of the poorest in society, and under their government we are now at the worst levels of social mobility (or lack of it) and financial inequality for about a century
- the Lib Dems sold themselves out for a sniff of power by joining the Conservatives, and have done more U-turns than a lost car driver thereby losing pretty much all respect from even hardline supporters.

I don't hold any political persuasion, but the fact is that UKIP doesn't have a history as they haven't run the country... and because it doesn't have a history, it doesn't have a BAD history or a bad reputation.
[quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: That's all well and good but when it gets to crunch time, only the Conservatives and Labour have actually had experience at running the country. Plenty of voters are aware of that and are reluctant to vote in smaller parties since there's no proof they will be competent at running a huge economy or society.[/p][/quote]This is the attitude a lot of employers take... they only hire people that already have experience. But how do you get that experience in the first place unless somebody hires you?? I'm not necessarily saying UKIP is the way to go, I am saying that everybody has to start somewhere. The other political parties have been throwing insults at UKIP, calling them all racists and bigots - but as history has shown, this is just a playground tactic that somebody losing an argument takes (take a look at Aethists when having a discussion with people who have strong religious view - who starts throwing insults first? or what about the man-made climate change brigade versus the climate skeptics - you'll find it's the pro climate change people who start launching the attacks first). The current political situation is this:- - Labour led us into a phoney baloney war which wasted resources, and then opened the floodgates for immigration whilst not keeping a track on the banking industry, leading to a major financial crisis - Conservatives are self-serving elitists who are only out to line their own pockets by privatising everything they can get their slimy hands on, at the expense of the poorest in society, and under their government we are now at the worst levels of social mobility (or lack of it) and financial inequality for about a century - the Lib Dems sold themselves out for a sniff of power by joining the Conservatives, and have done more U-turns than a lost car driver thereby losing pretty much all respect from even hardline supporters. I don't hold any political persuasion, but the fact is that UKIP doesn't have a history as they haven't run the country... and because it doesn't have a history, it doesn't have a BAD history or a bad reputation. Magicman!
  • Score: -17

2:54am Wed 28 May 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

A very fair over view, Magicman!
A very fair over view, Magicman! ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -28

7:03am Wed 28 May 14

notpedallingpaul says...

Magicman! wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
That's all well and good but when it gets to crunch time, only the Conservatives and Labour have actually had experience at running the country. Plenty of voters are aware of that and are reluctant to vote in smaller parties since there's no proof they will be competent at running a huge economy or society.
This is the attitude a lot of employers take... they only hire people that already have experience. But how do you get that experience in the first place unless somebody hires you??

I'm not necessarily saying UKIP is the way to go, I am saying that everybody has to start somewhere. The other political parties have been throwing insults at UKIP, calling them all racists and bigots - but as history has shown, this is just a playground tactic that somebody losing an argument takes (take a look at Aethists when having a discussion with people who have strong religious view - who starts throwing insults first? or what about the man-made climate change brigade versus the climate skeptics - you'll find it's the pro climate change people who start launching the attacks first).

The current political situation is this:-
- Labour led us into a phoney baloney war which wasted resources, and then opened the floodgates for immigration whilst not keeping a track on the banking industry, leading to a major financial crisis
- Conservatives are self-serving elitists who are only out to line their own pockets by privatising everything they can get their slimy hands on, at the expense of the poorest in society, and under their government we are now at the worst levels of social mobility (or lack of it) and financial inequality for about a century
- the Lib Dems sold themselves out for a sniff of power by joining the Conservatives, and have done more U-turns than a lost car driver thereby losing pretty much all respect from even hardline supporters.

I don't hold any political persuasion, but the fact is that UKIP doesn't have a history as they haven't run the country... and because it doesn't have a history, it doesn't have a BAD history or a bad reputation.
Well said Magicman! particularly your last point .................but the fact is that UKIP doesn't have a history as they haven't run the country... and because it doesn't have a history, it doesn't have a BAD history or a bad reputation.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: That's all well and good but when it gets to crunch time, only the Conservatives and Labour have actually had experience at running the country. Plenty of voters are aware of that and are reluctant to vote in smaller parties since there's no proof they will be competent at running a huge economy or society.[/p][/quote]This is the attitude a lot of employers take... they only hire people that already have experience. But how do you get that experience in the first place unless somebody hires you?? I'm not necessarily saying UKIP is the way to go, I am saying that everybody has to start somewhere. The other political parties have been throwing insults at UKIP, calling them all racists and bigots - but as history has shown, this is just a playground tactic that somebody losing an argument takes (take a look at Aethists when having a discussion with people who have strong religious view - who starts throwing insults first? or what about the man-made climate change brigade versus the climate skeptics - you'll find it's the pro climate change people who start launching the attacks first). The current political situation is this:- - Labour led us into a phoney baloney war which wasted resources, and then opened the floodgates for immigration whilst not keeping a track on the banking industry, leading to a major financial crisis - Conservatives are self-serving elitists who are only out to line their own pockets by privatising everything they can get their slimy hands on, at the expense of the poorest in society, and under their government we are now at the worst levels of social mobility (or lack of it) and financial inequality for about a century - the Lib Dems sold themselves out for a sniff of power by joining the Conservatives, and have done more U-turns than a lost car driver thereby losing pretty much all respect from even hardline supporters. I don't hold any political persuasion, but the fact is that UKIP doesn't have a history as they haven't run the country... and because it doesn't have a history, it doesn't have a BAD history or a bad reputation.[/p][/quote]Well said Magicman! particularly your last point .................but the fact is that UKIP doesn't have a history as they haven't run the country... and because it doesn't have a history, it doesn't have a BAD history or a bad reputation. notpedallingpaul
  • Score: -31

9:09am Wed 28 May 14

SpinningJenny says...

Magicman! wrote:
SpinningJenny wrote:
That's all well and good but when it gets to crunch time, only the Conservatives and Labour have actually had experience at running the country. Plenty of voters are aware of that and are reluctant to vote in smaller parties since there's no proof they will be competent at running a huge economy or society.
This is the attitude a lot of employers take... they only hire people that already have experience. But how do you get that experience in the first place unless somebody hires you??

I'm not necessarily saying UKIP is the way to go, I am saying that everybody has to start somewhere. The other political parties have been throwing insults at UKIP, calling them all racists and bigots - but as history has shown, this is just a playground tactic that somebody losing an argument takes (take a look at Aethists when having a discussion with people who have strong religious view - who starts throwing insults first? or what about the man-made climate change brigade versus the climate skeptics - you'll find it's the pro climate change people who start launching the attacks first).

The current political situation is this:-
- Labour led us into a phoney baloney war which wasted resources, and then opened the floodgates for immigration whilst not keeping a track on the banking industry, leading to a major financial crisis
- Conservatives are self-serving elitists who are only out to line their own pockets by privatising everything they can get their slimy hands on, at the expense of the poorest in society, and under their government we are now at the worst levels of social mobility (or lack of it) and financial inequality for about a century
- the Lib Dems sold themselves out for a sniff of power by joining the Conservatives, and have done more U-turns than a lost car driver thereby losing pretty much all respect from even hardline supporters.

I don't hold any political persuasion, but the fact is that UKIP doesn't have a history as they haven't run the country... and because it doesn't have a history, it doesn't have a BAD history or a bad reputation.
Well clearly the way for UKIP to start to prove themselves is to actually gain some MPs and then prove themselves competent on a smaller scale before gradually moving up. To expect them to move from zero power to a full majority in the space of one election is misguided.

And while it's perfectly possible that they aren't ALL racists, you can't deny that as a party they seem to attract some incredibly prejudiced people and they've only just started to kick these people out as they've gained more media attention - meaning they must have been accepted before.

As for bad reputation vs. no reputation, the main three are undoubtedly flawed but at least the electorate knows what they're getting. It's much easier to predict how they will act in government and attempt to deal with the country's current problems, instead of an unknown entity like UKIP who could be better but could also be utterly incompetent. General elections usually have a much lower rate of risk-taking among voters.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SpinningJenny[/bold] wrote: That's all well and good but when it gets to crunch time, only the Conservatives and Labour have actually had experience at running the country. Plenty of voters are aware of that and are reluctant to vote in smaller parties since there's no proof they will be competent at running a huge economy or society.[/p][/quote]This is the attitude a lot of employers take... they only hire people that already have experience. But how do you get that experience in the first place unless somebody hires you?? I'm not necessarily saying UKIP is the way to go, I am saying that everybody has to start somewhere. The other political parties have been throwing insults at UKIP, calling them all racists and bigots - but as history has shown, this is just a playground tactic that somebody losing an argument takes (take a look at Aethists when having a discussion with people who have strong religious view - who starts throwing insults first? or what about the man-made climate change brigade versus the climate skeptics - you'll find it's the pro climate change people who start launching the attacks first). The current political situation is this:- - Labour led us into a phoney baloney war which wasted resources, and then opened the floodgates for immigration whilst not keeping a track on the banking industry, leading to a major financial crisis - Conservatives are self-serving elitists who are only out to line their own pockets by privatising everything they can get their slimy hands on, at the expense of the poorest in society, and under their government we are now at the worst levels of social mobility (or lack of it) and financial inequality for about a century - the Lib Dems sold themselves out for a sniff of power by joining the Conservatives, and have done more U-turns than a lost car driver thereby losing pretty much all respect from even hardline supporters. I don't hold any political persuasion, but the fact is that UKIP doesn't have a history as they haven't run the country... and because it doesn't have a history, it doesn't have a BAD history or a bad reputation.[/p][/quote]Well clearly the way for UKIP to start to prove themselves is to actually gain some MPs and then prove themselves competent on a smaller scale before gradually moving up. To expect them to move from zero power to a full majority in the space of one election is misguided. And while it's perfectly possible that they aren't ALL racists, you can't deny that as a party they seem to attract some incredibly prejudiced people and they've only just started to kick these people out as they've gained more media attention - meaning they must have been accepted before. As for bad reputation vs. no reputation, the main three are undoubtedly flawed but at least the electorate knows what they're getting. It's much easier to predict how they will act in government and attempt to deal with the country's current problems, instead of an unknown entity like UKIP who could be better but could also be utterly incompetent. General elections usually have a much lower rate of risk-taking among voters. SpinningJenny
  • Score: 1

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