River appeal

River appeal

River appeal

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I CANNOT be the only person to have read in horror and sadness about the recent spate of drownings in the city’s rivers (and thankfully, a few successful rescues too), and my sympathies go to the families and friends of those involved.

But surely, it’s not sufficient reason to stop the rest of the population of York and visitors being able to enjoy those same rivers? Proposals to fence the rivers and restrict access to the river banks need to be considered in the light of the real situation.

Hundreds of thousands of people live with, and visit, the rivers in this city, and only a few people have had difficulty or behaved dangerously in or near them. Any deaths are too many, but we need to look at reasons in each specific case.

At least two of the lives lost may well have involved consumption of alcohol. Surely the answer is to restrict the use of alcohol to the few, not to obstruct access for the many? People who choose to jump into the river of their own accord while not drunk have their own reasons, which we may never understand.

It’s profoundly sad and we may not like it, but we can’t legislate against mental illness or the desire to end your own life. What we could do is lobby for an increase in support services for those affected, and give them some hope.

Mark Howard, Middlethorpe Grove, Dringhouses, York.

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12:34pm Sat 24 May 14

marvell says...

Totally agree - you can't remove all danger simply by fencing everything off plus it spoils it for everyone else.
Totally agree - you can't remove all danger simply by fencing everything off plus it spoils it for everyone else. marvell
  • Score: 20

4:49pm Sat 24 May 14

Pinza-C55 says...

You could help reduce the risk by rolling back closing times of licenced premises to 23.00 so that people don't roll out of them at 03.00 drunk, alone and very tired,
This will never happen because politicians need votes and it would be unpopular.
So the deaths will go on and people will say "something needs to be done" and nothing will be done.
You could help reduce the risk by rolling back closing times of licenced premises to 23.00 so that people don't roll out of them at 03.00 drunk, alone and very tired, This will never happen because politicians need votes and it would be unpopular. So the deaths will go on and people will say "something needs to be done" and nothing will be done. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 7

6:01pm Sat 24 May 14

oi oi savaloy says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
You could help reduce the risk by rolling back closing times of licenced premises to 23.00 so that people don't roll out of them at 03.00 drunk, alone and very tired,
This will never happen because politicians need votes and it would be unpopular.
So the deaths will go on and people will say "something needs to be done" and nothing will be done.
actually agree with you there, i have stated similar before AND i also think there should be a ban on student promotion nights in city centre pubs/clubs!

what ever happened to students drinking on campus in the cheap bars? does that not happen anymore?
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: You could help reduce the risk by rolling back closing times of licenced premises to 23.00 so that people don't roll out of them at 03.00 drunk, alone and very tired, This will never happen because politicians need votes and it would be unpopular. So the deaths will go on and people will say "something needs to be done" and nothing will be done.[/p][/quote]actually agree with you there, i have stated similar before AND i also think there should be a ban on student promotion nights in city centre pubs/clubs! what ever happened to students drinking on campus in the cheap bars? does that not happen anymore? oi oi savaloy
  • Score: -16

10:26pm Sat 24 May 14

Magicman! says...

Having CCTV along the riverside might be an idea, at least if a drunk person jumps/falls in then a CCTV operator instantly spots that and displatches an emergency boat. Currently there is not a single camera along the riverside routes, and the cameras in the city centre seem to focus for no apparent reason on completely random people, such as folks getting on a bus!
Having CCTV along the riverside might be an idea, at least if a drunk person jumps/falls in then a CCTV operator instantly spots that and displatches an emergency boat. Currently there is not a single camera along the riverside routes, and the cameras in the city centre seem to focus for no apparent reason on completely random people, such as folks getting on a bus! Magicman!
  • Score: -11

11:33pm Sat 24 May 14

wallman says...

why should us council tax payers pay for cctv along the river in the early morning?
why should us council tax payers pay for cctv along the river in the early morning? wallman
  • Score: -27

12:12pm Sun 25 May 14

Tug job says...

Magicman! wrote:
Having CCTV along the riverside might be an idea, at least if a drunk person jumps/falls in then a CCTV operator instantly spots that and displatches an emergency boat. Currently there is not a single camera along the riverside routes, and the cameras in the city centre seem to focus for no apparent reason on completely random people, such as folks getting on a bus!
This is an interesting suggestion - fear the costs would be prohibitive - to have an emergency boat, a pilot and a paramedic on 24 hour standby (which would require 3 teams of staff, plus additional staffing to monitor the CCTV). Would local residents be prepared to pay for it?
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: Having CCTV along the riverside might be an idea, at least if a drunk person jumps/falls in then a CCTV operator instantly spots that and displatches an emergency boat. Currently there is not a single camera along the riverside routes, and the cameras in the city centre seem to focus for no apparent reason on completely random people, such as folks getting on a bus![/p][/quote]This is an interesting suggestion - fear the costs would be prohibitive - to have an emergency boat, a pilot and a paramedic on 24 hour standby (which would require 3 teams of staff, plus additional staffing to monitor the CCTV). Would local residents be prepared to pay for it? Tug job
  • Score: 2

3:43pm Sun 25 May 14

imassey says...

Most cities are built on waterways. Pretty much all of them will have pubs, many with the same licensing hours as seen in York. A fair few also have student populations. What are the statistics for river deaths across the country? What are they for York over the years?

What has happened in York recently is probably a random series of (very tragic) accidents. Yes, all accidents can and should be avoided, but knee-jerk responses aren't always the answer.
Most cities are built on waterways. Pretty much all of them will have pubs, many with the same licensing hours as seen in York. A fair few also have student populations. What are the statistics for river deaths across the country? What are they for York over the years? What has happened in York recently is probably a random series of (very tragic) accidents. Yes, all accidents can and should be avoided, but knee-jerk responses aren't always the answer. imassey
  • Score: 4

4:22pm Tue 27 May 14

YorkShrimper says...

Tug job wrote:
Magicman! wrote:
Having CCTV along the riverside might be an idea, at least if a drunk person jumps/falls in then a CCTV operator instantly spots that and displatches an emergency boat. Currently there is not a single camera along the riverside routes, and the cameras in the city centre seem to focus for no apparent reason on completely random people, such as folks getting on a bus!
This is an interesting suggestion - fear the costs would be prohibitive - to have an emergency boat, a pilot and a paramedic on 24 hour standby (which would require 3 teams of staff, plus additional staffing to monitor the CCTV). Would local residents be prepared to pay for it?
Local residents are already paying for it, in my opinion. We have the Fire & Rescue emergency service, which already has a boat on the river, the ambulance service would provide the paramedic. Presumably we have CCTV monitors already too, as these are currently monitoring the city centre.

Seems a sensible suggestion to have CCTV along the riverside, sounds like a missing link to help join up the services already available?
[quote][p][bold]Tug job[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: Having CCTV along the riverside might be an idea, at least if a drunk person jumps/falls in then a CCTV operator instantly spots that and displatches an emergency boat. Currently there is not a single camera along the riverside routes, and the cameras in the city centre seem to focus for no apparent reason on completely random people, such as folks getting on a bus![/p][/quote]This is an interesting suggestion - fear the costs would be prohibitive - to have an emergency boat, a pilot and a paramedic on 24 hour standby (which would require 3 teams of staff, plus additional staffing to monitor the CCTV). Would local residents be prepared to pay for it?[/p][/quote]Local residents are already paying for it, in my opinion. We have the Fire & Rescue emergency service, which already has a boat on the river, the ambulance service would provide the paramedic. Presumably we have CCTV monitors already too, as these are currently monitoring the city centre. Seems a sensible suggestion to have CCTV along the riverside, sounds like a missing link to help join up the services already available? YorkShrimper
  • Score: 0

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