Shut Lendal Bridge again right now

Shut Lendal Bridge again right now

Shut Lendal Bridge again right now

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FOLLOWING the ending of the trial closure of Lendal Bridge, it is surely apparent now as never before that closing the bridge to private cars is essential to dealing with chronic congestion problems.

After six months of improvement, we clearly see the impact of unrestricted traffic: queues of standing vehicles throughout Bootham, Gillygate, Lawrence Street and other approach roads; chaos around the railway station and across the bridge itself; air pollution; wasted time; and delays to buses and taxis.

Please restore the closure at the earliest possible moment and let us enjoy the benefits of an improved environment for all residents and visitors to our city.

Simon Sweeney, Glebe Cottages, Sheriff Hutton, York.

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1:54pm Fri 25 Apr 14

roadwars says...

Strange how, since the bridge re-opened, the traffic seems to have got a lot worse on all routes (and is reported so frequently in the council's York press). It is a lot worse than it was before the bridge closed so either; the temporary bridge closure has contributed in some way to York's long term congestion problems, or, the traffic lights that they "frigged" to try and make the bridge closure look good have now been reverted back to vers -5.1...
Strange how, since the bridge re-opened, the traffic seems to have got a lot worse on all routes (and is reported so frequently in the council's York press). It is a lot worse than it was before the bridge closed so either; the temporary bridge closure has contributed in some way to York's long term congestion problems, or, the traffic lights that they "frigged" to try and make the bridge closure look good have now been reverted back to vers -5.1... roadwars
  • Score: -12

2:29pm Fri 25 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

Simon Sweeney, Glebe Cottages, Sheriff Hutton, York.

After six months of improvement.

An opinion based comment, otherwise where is the evidence ?.

Clearly disregards the fact that the traffic didn't disappear during the Lendal tragedy, it used other less viable routes for a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people.

Time for Councillor Levene to get the traffic flow sorted using his £300k, alternatively get a logistics (forget traffic management) expert in that can do the job.
Simon Sweeney, Glebe Cottages, Sheriff Hutton, York. After six months of improvement. An opinion based comment, otherwise where is the evidence ?. Clearly disregards the fact that the traffic didn't disappear during the Lendal tragedy, it used other less viable routes for a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people. Time for Councillor Levene to get the traffic flow sorted using his £300k, alternatively get a logistics (forget traffic management) expert in that can do the job. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -23

2:41pm Fri 25 Apr 14

marvell says...

Don't put it past this crooked and inept Labour administration to publicise every bit of congestion possible to create the illusion that Lendal Brdige re-opening has had a detrimental effect.

I drove over Lendal Bridge today at 1pm and it was almost empty...plus no congestion by Theatre Royal or York Station.

The traffic lights at the bottom of Lord Mayor's Walk and Gillygate were out of sync and only allowing 3 or 4 cars from LMW but lots from Clarence St - causing long queues on LMW...
Don't put it past this crooked and inept Labour administration to publicise every bit of congestion possible to create the illusion that Lendal Brdige re-opening has had a detrimental effect. I drove over Lendal Bridge today at 1pm and it was almost empty...plus no congestion by Theatre Royal or York Station. The traffic lights at the bottom of Lord Mayor's Walk and Gillygate were out of sync and only allowing 3 or 4 cars from LMW but lots from Clarence St - causing long queues on LMW... marvell
  • Score: -20

2:42pm Fri 25 Apr 14

steve-white says...

Totally agree but this time do it properly and also extend the hours.
Traffic has been awful this week. Granted could be due to extra Easter tourists.
The car has had it's day!
Totally agree but this time do it properly and also extend the hours. Traffic has been awful this week. Granted could be due to extra Easter tourists. The car has had it's day! steve-white
  • Score: 23

2:59pm Fri 25 Apr 14

anistasia says...

Keep it open it was built to be used like all bridges.its the quickest
Way to get to the railway station for the sake of a few yards think of the residents of the streets the cars were diverted down must be a blessing for them having the bridge re opened
Keep it open it was built to be used like all bridges.its the quickest Way to get to the railway station for the sake of a few yards think of the residents of the streets the cars were diverted down must be a blessing for them having the bridge re opened anistasia
  • Score: -24

3:27pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Dr Robert says...

Yes it really is bothering you Mr Sweeny, out there in Sheriff Hutton, get a life you labour sympathiser, Bridges are for getting from A--B.
Yes it really is bothering you Mr Sweeny, out there in Sheriff Hutton, get a life you labour sympathiser, Bridges are for getting from A--B. Dr Robert
  • Score: -13

3:29pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Oaklands Resident says...

Most of the problem over the last few days have arisen at times when Lendal Bridge would have been open to general traffic anyway.

Congestion over the last few days has resulted from a combination of bank holiday journeys, broken down vehicles, faulty traffic signals (get these sorted out York Council), road works (particularly on the A1237) and changeable weather conditions.
Most of the problem over the last few days have arisen at times when Lendal Bridge would have been open to general traffic anyway. Congestion over the last few days has resulted from a combination of bank holiday journeys, broken down vehicles, faulty traffic signals (get these sorted out York Council), road works (particularly on the A1237) and changeable weather conditions. Oaklands Resident
  • Score: -24

4:04pm Fri 25 Apr 14

bravo whisky says...

Here we go again, the anti car brigade crawling out of the woodwork, I suppose being 12 miles out of York Simon Sweeney relies on the stagecoach to get around, or do you never venture to York. Well I live here and we need bridges to get around the City. Any more political parties that dare to venture into the realms of closing the arteries of York will end up like the bunch of lunatics, sorry, York's labour Council who are on borrowed time.
Here we go again, the anti car brigade crawling out of the woodwork, I suppose being 12 miles out of York Simon Sweeney relies on the stagecoach to get around, or do you never venture to York. Well I live here and we need bridges to get around the City. Any more political parties that dare to venture into the realms of closing the arteries of York will end up like the bunch of lunatics, sorry, York's labour Council who are on borrowed time. bravo whisky
  • Score: -10

4:11pm Fri 25 Apr 14

CHISSY1 says...

Get a hobby,forget the bridge and Richard III,take up watching grass grow and stimulate your brains.
Get a hobby,forget the bridge and Richard III,take up watching grass grow and stimulate your brains. CHISSY1
  • Score: -34

4:18pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Eborwatch says...

A late April Fools?
A late April Fools? Eborwatch
  • Score: -29

4:30pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Jonothon says...

The night before the restrictions were imposed someone posted to ask everyone to be out and about with cameras to get a photographic record of the gridlock that would happen all over the city next day.

Well we never heard from him again.

If anyone wants to take up the challenge now, they will find plenty of trafficams to video, its as bad as it was before the restrictions
The night before the restrictions were imposed someone posted to ask everyone to be out and about with cameras to get a photographic record of the gridlock that would happen all over the city next day. Well we never heard from him again. If anyone wants to take up the challenge now, they will find plenty of trafficams to video, its as bad as it was before the restrictions Jonothon
  • Score: -32

5:10pm Fri 25 Apr 14

SteveSCA says...

Please arrange these words into a sentence you can understand:

Dead horse flogging give up please.
Please arrange these words into a sentence you can understand: Dead horse flogging give up please. SteveSCA
  • Score: -25

7:09pm Fri 25 Apr 14

anistasia says...

The bridge needs to be kept open clifton bridge was opened 51 years ago to help congestion in the city so why when 51 years later when we have more traffic on the road the council wanted to close a bridge this does not make sense to anyone in traffic management its open end of trial proved it did not work so the people who wish it still closed get a life if you lived in a street where the cars were diverted you would of voted different
The bridge needs to be kept open clifton bridge was opened 51 years ago to help congestion in the city so why when 51 years later when we have more traffic on the road the council wanted to close a bridge this does not make sense to anyone in traffic management its open end of trial proved it did not work so the people who wish it still closed get a life if you lived in a street where the cars were diverted you would of voted different anistasia
  • Score: -11

8:34pm Fri 25 Apr 14

opinionated11 says...

roadwars wrote:
Strange how, since the bridge re-opened, the traffic seems to have got a lot worse on all routes (and is reported so frequently in the council's York press). It is a lot worse than it was before the bridge closed so either; the temporary bridge closure has contributed in some way to York's long term congestion problems, or, the traffic lights that they "frigged" to try and make the bridge closure look good have now been reverted back to vers -5.1...
I agree wholeheartedly. After all, there is no way that the increased congestion in the last couple of weeks could have been anything to do with any lane closures on arteries due to the building of many park & rides. Or indeed a sudden spate of incidents/breakdown/
medical emergencies on the outer ring road. Nor any appearance of the first decent weather of the year. And it definitely couldn't be related to any major Bank Holidays which could result in a 4 day weekend like, say... Easter for example. Oh, wait.....
[quote][p][bold]roadwars[/bold] wrote: Strange how, since the bridge re-opened, the traffic seems to have got a lot worse on all routes (and is reported so frequently in the council's York press). It is a lot worse than it was before the bridge closed so either; the temporary bridge closure has contributed in some way to York's long term congestion problems, or, the traffic lights that they "frigged" to try and make the bridge closure look good have now been reverted back to vers -5.1...[/p][/quote]I agree wholeheartedly. After all, there is no way that the increased congestion in the last couple of weeks could have been anything to do with any lane closures on arteries due to the building of many park & rides. Or indeed a sudden spate of incidents/breakdown/ medical emergencies on the outer ring road. Nor any appearance of the first decent weather of the year. And it definitely couldn't be related to any major Bank Holidays which could result in a 4 day weekend like, say... Easter for example. Oh, wait..... opinionated11
  • Score: -16

10:57pm Fri 25 Apr 14

courier46 says...

Dosen`t even live in York,prob comes in once a month
Dosen`t even live in York,prob comes in once a month courier46
  • Score: -3

11:01pm Fri 25 Apr 14

strangebuttrue? says...

They did change the light sequences to make the closure look good and I believe they have now changed them back to create the illusion of increased volume when all it is is traffic light created congestion. In a number of council reports they do say they use the lights to dissuade drivers using roads by setting them short to create queues.
I have also noticed some odd things lately like the traffic lights at Poppleton Road only allowing 3 cars off Boroughbridge Road at times. Never seen this before caught me totally unaware as they started to change back to red as the second car went through. I was watching for cyclist coming up the inside of me - looked up RED!!!. I was the fourth car in line.
They did change the light sequences to make the closure look good and I believe they have now changed them back to create the illusion of increased volume when all it is is traffic light created congestion. In a number of council reports they do say they use the lights to dissuade drivers using roads by setting them short to create queues. I have also noticed some odd things lately like the traffic lights at Poppleton Road only allowing 3 cars off Boroughbridge Road at times. Never seen this before caught me totally unaware as they started to change back to red as the second car went through. I was watching for cyclist coming up the inside of me - looked up RED!!!. I was the fourth car in line. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -13

8:59am Sat 26 Apr 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Since when did some Labour stooge from Ryedale District get a vote on what goes on in York?

As for your comment "After six months of improvement", on what do you base this claim? Probably the laughable claim from this Labour Council that closing L-B worked. Closing the bridge didn't work, that's why the council were forced to re-open it.
Since when did some Labour stooge from Ryedale District get a vote on what goes on in York? As for your comment "After six months of improvement", on what do you base this claim? Probably the laughable claim from this Labour Council that closing L-B worked. Closing the bridge didn't work, that's why the council were forced to re-open it. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: -15

9:16am Sat 26 Apr 14

far2bizzy says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Simon Sweeney, Glebe Cottages, Sheriff Hutton, York.

After six months of improvement.

An opinion based comment, otherwise where is the evidence ?.

Clearly disregards the fact that the traffic didn't disappear during the Lendal tragedy, it used other less viable routes for a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people.

Time for Councillor Levene to get the traffic flow sorted using his £300k, alternatively get a logistics (forget traffic management) expert in that can do the job.
Since visitor numbers are in excess of 7 million a year (http://www.yorkpres
s.co.uk/news/6284701
.record_number_of__t
ourists_visit_york/ ) and a considerable percentage of those will spend some time in the Minster area, I think your statement “a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people” could well be described as an opinion based comment. Wouldn’t you?
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Simon Sweeney, Glebe Cottages, Sheriff Hutton, York. After six months of improvement. An opinion based comment, otherwise where is the evidence ?. Clearly disregards the fact that the traffic didn't disappear during the Lendal tragedy, it used other less viable routes for a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people. Time for Councillor Levene to get the traffic flow sorted using his £300k, alternatively get a logistics (forget traffic management) expert in that can do the job.[/p][/quote]Since visitor numbers are in excess of 7 million a year (http://www.yorkpres s.co.uk/news/6284701 .record_number_of__t ourists_visit_york/ ) and a considerable percentage of those will spend some time in the Minster area, I think your statement “a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people” could well be described as an opinion based comment. Wouldn’t you? far2bizzy
  • Score: -3

12:03pm Sat 26 Apr 14

anistasia says...

Seems odd that nomatter what peoples views are all postings on here have negative comments makes me thinks its a points/votes was not a success if it was the council would of kept it going the trial failed so no point going back to a failed plan.the people who want it closed would not say keep it shut if they lived in the street where traffic was diverted,the trial is over keep the bridge open keep tourist coming york is a tourist city keeping the bridge open keeps businesses in york happy.
Seems odd that nomatter what peoples views are all postings on here have negative comments makes me thinks its a points/votes was not a success if it was the council would of kept it going the trial failed so no point going back to a failed plan.the people who want it closed would not say keep it shut if they lived in the street where traffic was diverted,the trial is over keep the bridge open keep tourist coming york is a tourist city keeping the bridge open keeps businesses in york happy. anistasia
  • Score: -10

1:05pm Sat 26 Apr 14

WhyEver says...

Keep it open - the report into the closure made it clear that vehicles were travelling further and taking longer to avoid the bridge, they didn't just disappear.
Keep it open - the report into the closure made it clear that vehicles were travelling further and taking longer to avoid the bridge, they didn't just disappear. WhyEver
  • Score: -7

2:12pm Sat 26 Apr 14

opinionated11 says...

WhyEver wrote:
Keep it open - the report into the closure made it clear that vehicles were travelling further and taking longer to avoid the bridge, they didn't just disappear.
Spot on, Lendal Bridge and Museum Street were lovely and clear but everywhere was rammed. Moving the problem doesn't solve it.
[quote][p][bold]WhyEver[/bold] wrote: Keep it open - the report into the closure made it clear that vehicles were travelling further and taking longer to avoid the bridge, they didn't just disappear.[/p][/quote]Spot on, Lendal Bridge and Museum Street were lovely and clear but everywhere was rammed. Moving the problem doesn't solve it. opinionated11
  • Score: -6

2:45pm Sat 26 Apr 14

bravo whisky says...

From all the negatives above it is apparent that Alexanders supporters have been active.
From all the negatives above it is apparent that Alexanders supporters have been active. bravo whisky
  • Score: -7

5:29pm Sat 26 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

far2bizzy wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Simon Sweeney, Glebe Cottages, Sheriff Hutton, York.

After six months of improvement.

An opinion based comment, otherwise where is the evidence ?.

Clearly disregards the fact that the traffic didn't disappear during the Lendal tragedy, it used other less viable routes for a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people.

Time for Councillor Levene to get the traffic flow sorted using his £300k, alternatively get a logistics (forget traffic management) expert in that can do the job.
Since visitor numbers are in excess of 7 million a year (http://www.yorkpres

s.co.uk/news/6284701

.record_number_of__t

ourists_visit_york/ ) and a considerable percentage of those will spend some time in the Minster area, I think your statement “a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people” could well be described as an opinion based comment. Wouldn’t you?
Some dispute over the stated visitor numbers:

Gillian Cruddas Wednesday 17th March 2010
About four million visitors come to York every year.

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/features/feat
ures/5065353.Tourism
_still_puts_York_on_
the_map/

Gillian Cruddas Tuesday 23rd November 2010
The city welcomed more than seven million visitors last year. (Now was that in 2009 ?. And yet March 2010 it's 4 million)

http://www.yorkpress
.co.uk/news/8681905.
Trips_to_York____wil
l_beat_downturn___/

More than a considerable percentage differential from the very same person.
Are visitor numbers 7 million or do we have ghost visitors that help to tell a good story. I would say that my opinion based upon reported evidence from reputable people (Gillian Cruddas) is sound. I would be interested to see the 7 million visitors evenly distributed over 365 days (19,178) congregated outside the minster or even 25% (5,000) of that number.

I will say again a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people and certainly fewer than the visitor numbers which seem to be greatly over stated.
[quote][p][bold]far2bizzy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Simon Sweeney, Glebe Cottages, Sheriff Hutton, York. After six months of improvement. An opinion based comment, otherwise where is the evidence ?. Clearly disregards the fact that the traffic didn't disappear during the Lendal tragedy, it used other less viable routes for a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people. Time for Councillor Levene to get the traffic flow sorted using his £300k, alternatively get a logistics (forget traffic management) expert in that can do the job.[/p][/quote]Since visitor numbers are in excess of 7 million a year (http://www.yorkpres s.co.uk/news/6284701 .record_number_of__t ourists_visit_york/ ) and a considerable percentage of those will spend some time in the Minster area, I think your statement “a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people” could well be described as an opinion based comment. Wouldn’t you?[/p][/quote]Some dispute over the stated visitor numbers: Gillian Cruddas Wednesday 17th March 2010 About four million visitors come to York every year. http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/features/feat ures/5065353.Tourism _still_puts_York_on_ the_map/ Gillian Cruddas Tuesday 23rd November 2010 The city welcomed more than seven million visitors last year. (Now was that in 2009 ?. And yet March 2010 it's 4 million) http://www.yorkpress .co.uk/news/8681905. Trips_to_York____wil l_beat_downturn___/ More than a considerable percentage differential from the very same person. Are visitor numbers 7 million or do we have ghost visitors that help to tell a good story. I would say that my opinion based upon reported evidence from reputable people (Gillian Cruddas) is sound. I would be interested to see the 7 million visitors evenly distributed over 365 days (19,178) congregated outside the minster or even 25% (5,000) of that number. I will say again a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people and certainly fewer than the visitor numbers which seem to be greatly over stated. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -12

5:54pm Sat 26 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

far2bizzy wrote:
YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
Simon Sweeney, Glebe Cottages, Sheriff Hutton, York.

After six months of improvement.

An opinion based comment, otherwise where is the evidence ?.

Clearly disregards the fact that the traffic didn't disappear during the Lendal tragedy, it used other less viable routes for a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people.

Time for Councillor Levene to get the traffic flow sorted using his £300k, alternatively get a logistics (forget traffic management) expert in that can do the job.
Since visitor numbers are in excess of 7 million a year (http://www.yorkpres

s.co.uk/news/6284701

.record_number_of__t

ourists_visit_york/ ) and a considerable percentage of those will spend some time in the Minster area, I think your statement “a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people” could well be described as an opinion based comment. Wouldn’t you?
Even accepting 7 million visitors only 7% of that number visited the minster in 2013. Less than 1 in 10, it would take a great leap of faith to believe they all approached the Minster by crossing Lendal Bridge.

York Minster attracts more than 490,000 visitors annually, while Durham Cathedral welcomes 600,000 visitors each year.

http://www.churchofe
ngland.org/media-cen
tre/news/2013/03/tho
usands-visit-histori
c-churches-and-cathe
drals.aspx
[quote][p][bold]far2bizzy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: Simon Sweeney, Glebe Cottages, Sheriff Hutton, York. After six months of improvement. An opinion based comment, otherwise where is the evidence ?. Clearly disregards the fact that the traffic didn't disappear during the Lendal tragedy, it used other less viable routes for a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people. Time for Councillor Levene to get the traffic flow sorted using his £300k, alternatively get a logistics (forget traffic management) expert in that can do the job.[/p][/quote]Since visitor numbers are in excess of 7 million a year (http://www.yorkpres s.co.uk/news/6284701 .record_number_of__t ourists_visit_york/ ) and a considerable percentage of those will spend some time in the Minster area, I think your statement “a minor visual improvement that benefitted very few people” could well be described as an opinion based comment. Wouldn’t you?[/p][/quote]Even accepting 7 million visitors only 7% of that number visited the minster in 2013. Less than 1 in 10, it would take a great leap of faith to believe they all approached the Minster by crossing Lendal Bridge. York Minster attracts more than 490,000 visitors annually, while Durham Cathedral welcomes 600,000 visitors each year. http://www.churchofe ngland.org/media-cen tre/news/2013/03/tho usands-visit-histori c-churches-and-cathe drals.aspx YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -15

6:31pm Sat 26 Apr 14

jake777 says...

anistasia wrote:
Seems odd that nomatter what peoples views are all postings on here have negative comments makes me thinks its a points/votes was not a success if it was the council would of kept it going the trial failed so no point going back to a failed plan.the people who want it closed would not say keep it shut if they lived in the street where traffic was diverted,the trial is over keep the bridge open keep tourist coming york is a tourist city keeping the bridge open keeps businesses in york happy.
Yawn Yawn Yawn .
[quote][p][bold]anistasia[/bold] wrote: Seems odd that nomatter what peoples views are all postings on here have negative comments makes me thinks its a points/votes was not a success if it was the council would of kept it going the trial failed so no point going back to a failed plan.the people who want it closed would not say keep it shut if they lived in the street where traffic was diverted,the trial is over keep the bridge open keep tourist coming york is a tourist city keeping the bridge open keeps businesses in york happy.[/p][/quote]Yawn Yawn Yawn . jake777
  • Score: 15

7:21pm Sat 26 Apr 14

deckhanddave says...

Shut a bridge-build a bridge.
20MPH-30MPH-20MPH
Cycle track-No cycle track.
FTR-No FTR
Got funds-Waste funds.

Vote Labour-DON'T VOTE LABOUR
Shut a bridge-build a bridge. 20MPH-30MPH-20MPH Cycle track-No cycle track. FTR-No FTR Got funds-Waste funds. Vote Labour-DON'T VOTE LABOUR deckhanddave
  • Score: -9

8:20pm Sat 26 Apr 14

pedalling paul says...

Doesn't matter who you elect in 2015. York's current Local Transport Plan runs until 2031, and all Councillors are effectively signed up to its strategies. The main one is to further reduce car dependancy. Otherwise travel delays are predicted to double by that time. Simple solution......try not to use the car for all your journeys..maybe some..but where appropriate try car sharing, short term hire from City Car Club, make short distance commutes by bus or bike. Not rocket science is it?
Doesn't matter who you elect in 2015. York's current Local Transport Plan runs until 2031, and all Councillors are effectively signed up to its strategies. The main one is to further reduce car dependancy. Otherwise travel delays are predicted to double by that time. Simple solution......try not to use the car for all your journeys..maybe some..but where appropriate try car sharing, short term hire from City Car Club, make short distance commutes by bus or bike. Not rocket science is it? pedalling paul
  • Score: 6

3:32am Sun 27 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

Yesterday I was looking through some photos on Flikr... OK they were bus photos in York - but looking at the date the photos were taken you can do a 'before and after' at the railway station. compare a photo taken on April 25th with one taken 2 weeks prior to that and there is a remarkeable difference; the April 25th photo for example shows a cluster of congested cars all over the place and buses running in groups of 2 or 3 on the same service. The problem is that the closure was ended JUST at the point people were getting used to it and trafflc levels were settling down in the city - now it's reopened, everybody in a car is taking the shortest route and is causing havoc for everybody else using the city centre.
Yesterday I was looking through some photos on Flikr... OK they were bus photos in York - but looking at the date the photos were taken you can do a 'before and after' at the railway station. compare a photo taken on April 25th with one taken 2 weeks prior to that and there is a remarkeable difference; the April 25th photo for example shows a cluster of congested cars all over the place and buses running in groups of 2 or 3 on the same service. The problem is that the closure was ended JUST at the point people were getting used to it and trafflc levels were settling down in the city - now it's reopened, everybody in a car is taking the shortest route and is causing havoc for everybody else using the city centre. Magicman!
  • Score: -6

11:16am Sun 27 Apr 14

WhyEver says...

Magicman! wrote:
Yesterday I was looking through some photos on Flikr... OK they were bus photos in York - but looking at the date the photos were taken you can do a 'before and after' at the railway station. compare a photo taken on April 25th with one taken 2 weeks prior to that and there is a remarkeable difference; the April 25th photo for example shows a cluster of congested cars all over the place and buses running in groups of 2 or 3 on the same service. The problem is that the closure was ended JUST at the point people were getting used to it and trafflc levels were settling down in the city - now it's reopened, everybody in a car is taking the shortest route and is causing havoc for everybody else using the city centre.
April 25th the Press reported "severe traffic problems in York this morning and again this evening" . "First York said it had been a "bad day" all round in YOrk."

This was caused by a series of breakdowns around the City, not Lendal Bridge reopening.
[quote][p][bold]Magicman![/bold] wrote: Yesterday I was looking through some photos on Flikr... OK they were bus photos in York - but looking at the date the photos were taken you can do a 'before and after' at the railway station. compare a photo taken on April 25th with one taken 2 weeks prior to that and there is a remarkeable difference; the April 25th photo for example shows a cluster of congested cars all over the place and buses running in groups of 2 or 3 on the same service. The problem is that the closure was ended JUST at the point people were getting used to it and trafflc levels were settling down in the city - now it's reopened, everybody in a car is taking the shortest route and is causing havoc for everybody else using the city centre.[/p][/quote]April 25th the Press reported "severe traffic problems in York this morning and again this evening" . "First York said it had been a "bad day" all round in YOrk." This was caused by a series of breakdowns around the City, not Lendal Bridge reopening. WhyEver
  • Score: 4

6:57pm Sun 27 Apr 14

betty swollox says...

" it is surely apparent now as never before that closing the bridge to private cars is essential to dealing with chronic congestion problems.

After six months of improvement, we clearly see the impact of unrestricted traffic: queues of standing vehicles throughout Bootham, Gillygate, Lawrence Street and other approach roads;"

The closing of the bridge only added to the congestion problems by moving traffic elsewhere.
Where are the figures to prove that there was 6 months of improvement? I don't know how often the letter writer travels down Bootham etc from his home but living as I do just off Bootham the closure made no difference to Bootham. The traffic is busy in rush hour and hit and miss at other times. If anything it made Gillygate area slower as drivers who use the main road to Selby, as the A19 inner ring road is on maps, had to turn left into Gillygate then try and work out an alternative route. Hence busier on monkgate, foss islands road and Layerthorpe. Their is always chaos around the station due to the road layout but that is another story!
" it is surely apparent now as never before that closing the bridge to private cars is essential to dealing with chronic congestion problems. After six months of improvement, we clearly see the impact of unrestricted traffic: queues of standing vehicles throughout Bootham, Gillygate, Lawrence Street and other approach roads;" The closing of the bridge only added to the congestion problems by moving traffic elsewhere. Where are the figures to prove that there was 6 months of improvement? I don't know how often the letter writer travels down Bootham etc from his home but living as I do just off Bootham the closure made no difference to Bootham. The traffic is busy in rush hour and hit and miss at other times. If anything it made Gillygate area slower as drivers who use the main road to Selby, as the A19 inner ring road is on maps, had to turn left into Gillygate then try and work out an alternative route. Hence busier on monkgate, foss islands road and Layerthorpe. Their is always chaos around the station due to the road layout but that is another story! betty swollox
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8:44am Mon 28 Apr 14

opinionated11 says...

pedalling paul wrote:
Doesn't matter who you elect in 2015. York's current Local Transport Plan runs until 2031, and all Councillors are effectively signed up to its strategies. The main one is to further reduce car dependancy. Otherwise travel delays are predicted to double by that time. Simple solution......try not to use the car for all your journeys..maybe some..but where appropriate try car sharing, short term hire from City Car Club, make short distance commutes by bus or bike. Not rocket science is it?
"short term hire from City Car Club"

So reduce the number of cars in York by hiring cars? We could always ban people from working more than couple of miles from where they live....

Despite my sarcasm I do agree that there are too many people in York making very short journeys unnecessarily by car but the solution is not as simple as you reckon, your alternatives are only appropriate to a small number of people. Public transport is key, the bus service is poor at best. The additional Park & Rides will help (once their construction has stopped causing mayhem) but a greater financial incentive for using them as part of a commute would possibly make a difference.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: Doesn't matter who you elect in 2015. York's current Local Transport Plan runs until 2031, and all Councillors are effectively signed up to its strategies. The main one is to further reduce car dependancy. Otherwise travel delays are predicted to double by that time. Simple solution......try not to use the car for all your journeys..maybe some..but where appropriate try car sharing, short term hire from City Car Club, make short distance commutes by bus or bike. Not rocket science is it?[/p][/quote]"short term hire from City Car Club" So reduce the number of cars in York by hiring cars? We could always ban people from working more than couple of miles from where they live.... Despite my sarcasm I do agree that there are too many people in York making very short journeys unnecessarily by car but the solution is not as simple as you reckon, your alternatives are only appropriate to a small number of people. Public transport is key, the bus service is poor at best. The additional Park & Rides will help (once their construction has stopped causing mayhem) but a greater financial incentive for using them as part of a commute would possibly make a difference. opinionated11
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10:46am Mon 28 Apr 14

redchick says...

I'm delighted it has re-opened despite not using it for my daily commute, because the traffic is no longer diverting to clifton bridge and clogging it up there. It takes me a fraction of the time to get to work now :)
I'm delighted it has re-opened despite not using it for my daily commute, because the traffic is no longer diverting to clifton bridge and clogging it up there. It takes me a fraction of the time to get to work now :) redchick
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2:14pm Mon 28 Apr 14

Maquis says...

Having known a very nice chap from Sheriff Hutton who also went by the name of Simon Sweeney a number of years ago, I remember that he worked at St Johns University. This means that his commute (if he still works there) would not include Lendal bridge, nor the increased congestion that it caused in other areas, however Wigginton road / Haxby road and Clarence street may have been quieter as the traffic was shunted to bad pinch points around the ring road. With the bridge reopened and the traffic spread more evenly, it would have increased slightly on his route.
The crux is that it is a massive improvement for the majority of York and a slight inconvenience for his personal circumstance, so a selfish letter in my opinion.
Having known a very nice chap from Sheriff Hutton who also went by the name of Simon Sweeney a number of years ago, I remember that he worked at St Johns University. This means that his commute (if he still works there) would not include Lendal bridge, nor the increased congestion that it caused in other areas, however Wigginton road / Haxby road and Clarence street may have been quieter as the traffic was shunted to bad pinch points around the ring road. With the bridge reopened and the traffic spread more evenly, it would have increased slightly on his route. The crux is that it is a massive improvement for the majority of York and a slight inconvenience for his personal circumstance, so a selfish letter in my opinion. Maquis
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