It’s back to the future in Gillygate

York Press: Is traffic in Gillygate back to the bad old days, as in this file picture? Is traffic in Gillygate back to the bad old days, as in this file picture?

ONCE again, Gillygate traffic is backing up from Bootham Bar to Union Terrace car park by mid morning. Yet The Press of April 15 proclaimed free city-centre parking, while bemoaning the rising costs of a new cycle route.

Last week a major Government report attributed regional 3,700 deaths in 2010 due to air pollution in our region, primarily caused by car traffic. Meanwhile, our city is gridlocked and our response is... to offer free town centre parking, reopen Lendal Bridge and complain about the rising costs of cycle tracks.

Are we all on the same planet, I wonder?

City-centre retailers may be unhappy about the Monks Cross development, but encouraging more cars into the city centre through free parking is not the answer.

I would be interested to see a cost-benefit calculation of this initiative, especially one that takes environmental impact into account.

On the cycle track, no one wants to see the cost of public projects rising. However, unforeseen engineering issues can occur and in the long run cycle tracks are part of the solution.

In Copenhagen, 36 per cent of all journeys to work and school are made by bike and the city aims to be carbon neutral by 2025.

That is the kind of long-term vision we need in York. A cursory glance around Europe shows that this is the key to success, especially for compact heritage cities like ours. However, after the collapse of the Lendal Bridge pilot it feels like we are back to square one.

Eddy Adams, Whitelands, Earswick, York.

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12:00pm Fri 18 Apr 14

yorkandproud says...

I'll tell you something Eddy. You are scaremongering. I have lived in the Bootham/ Gillygate area since the Seventies. The traffic is no worse now than it was years ago. The only difference is the pelican crossings taking time between changes. Eddy don't listen to COYC who are clueless, and people like Pedalling Paul who are blinkered, and can't see the wood for the trees with all his facts and figures.
I'll tell you something Eddy. You are scaremongering. I have lived in the Bootham/ Gillygate area since the Seventies. The traffic is no worse now than it was years ago. The only difference is the pelican crossings taking time between changes. Eddy don't listen to COYC who are clueless, and people like Pedalling Paul who are blinkered, and can't see the wood for the trees with all his facts and figures. yorkandproud
  • Score: -32

12:04pm Fri 18 Apr 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Eddy. It is the councils policy to create congestion. They say we have less volume of traffic now than in 2002!!!. If the lights failed at the end of Bootham there would be no traffic around and pedestrians and cyclist would have a much better environment as well.
Eddy. It is the councils policy to create congestion. They say we have less volume of traffic now than in 2002!!!. If the lights failed at the end of Bootham there would be no traffic around and pedestrians and cyclist would have a much better environment as well. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -43

12:20pm Fri 18 Apr 14

YOUWILLDOASISAY says...

If you want a picture to tell the story you want to convey, always choose one with road works, bigger queues better visuals.
If you want a picture to tell the story you want to convey, always choose one with road works, bigger queues better visuals. YOUWILLDOASISAY
  • Score: -33

1:00pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

YOUWILLDOASISAY wrote:
If you want a picture to tell the story you want to convey, always choose one with road works, bigger queues better visuals.
Yes, aren't those yellow traffic barriers in front of the bus when they were doing the gas pipes?
[quote][p][bold]YOUWILLDOASISAY[/bold] wrote: If you want a picture to tell the story you want to convey, always choose one with road works, bigger queues better visuals.[/p][/quote]Yes, aren't those yellow traffic barriers in front of the bus when they were doing the gas pipes? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -40

2:26pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Tiv says...

Yes Eddy back to how it was, isnt it great? I can leisurely window shop in Gillygate from the comfort of my car whilst waiting to get across town via Lendal Bridge. its far nicer and there is so much more to look at than being stuck in congestion on Foss Islands road when the bridge was illegally closed to tax paying motorist.

Fantastic, let the traffic flow.
Yes Eddy back to how it was, isnt it great? I can leisurely window shop in Gillygate from the comfort of my car whilst waiting to get across town via Lendal Bridge. its far nicer and there is so much more to look at than being stuck in congestion on Foss Islands road when the bridge was illegally closed to tax paying motorist. Fantastic, let the traffic flow. Tiv
  • Score: -29

8:57pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Seadog says...

Firedrake said much the same thing the other day, and someone else pointed out that it's the Easter Holidays - which would be bound to increase traffic density. True enough: so let's just see what happens in ordinary "term time" ... but I have a gut feeling that both Eddy Adams and Firedrake will ultimately be proved (rightly or wrongly in a MORAL sense) quite right in an ABSOLUTE sense!
Firedrake said much the same thing the other day, and someone else pointed out that it's the Easter Holidays - which would be bound to increase traffic density. True enough: so let's just see what happens in ordinary "term time" ... but I have a gut feeling that both Eddy Adams and Firedrake will ultimately be proved (rightly or wrongly in a MORAL sense) quite right in an ABSOLUTE sense! Seadog
  • Score: -44

12:21am Sat 19 Apr 14

Badgers Drift says...

Is this the Eddy Adams of Urbact, who lives in York, and works in Paris?

Preaching about how cities like York should aim to be carbon neutral whilst he has such a big carbon footprint through his weekly jaunts to and from France, smacks of hypocrisy.

Come clean, Mr Adams, and disclose your close association with City of York Council.
Is this the Eddy Adams of Urbact, who lives in York, and works in Paris? Preaching about how cities like York should aim to be carbon neutral whilst he has such a big carbon footprint through his weekly jaunts to and from France, smacks of hypocrisy. Come clean, Mr Adams, and disclose your close association with City of York Council. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -19

9:53am Sat 19 Apr 14

eboricana says...

I live in New Earswick and had to go the station on Thursday we got to the junction of Clarence Street and Lord Mayors 'walk and it was back to 12 cars through Lord Mayors walk traffic lights 3 through ours (please do not contradict as we time them and add them up) then Gillygate tailgated it was horrible, smelly and took forever, I got so fed I got off and walked to the station. Lendal Bridge was chocka and smelly and horrible and it was sad, You may not like it but not everyone can afford a car or even wants a car, before was nice in town it did not stink and it felt airy. No doubt I will get lots of sarcastic, rude comments but you what I could not care less!
I live in New Earswick and had to go the station on Thursday we got to the junction of Clarence Street and Lord Mayors 'walk and it was back to 12 cars through Lord Mayors walk traffic lights 3 through ours (please do not contradict as we time them and add them up) then Gillygate tailgated it was horrible, smelly and took forever, I got so fed I got off and walked to the station. Lendal Bridge was chocka and smelly and horrible and it was sad, You may not like it but not everyone can afford a car or even wants a car, before was nice in town it did not stink and it felt airy. No doubt I will get lots of sarcastic, rude comments but you what I could not care less! eboricana
  • Score: -24

10:40am Sat 19 Apr 14

Jonothon says...

Badgers Drift wrote:
Is this the Eddy Adams of Urbact, who lives in York, and works in Paris?

Preaching about how cities like York should aim to be carbon neutral whilst he has such a big carbon footprint through his weekly jaunts to and from France, smacks of hypocrisy.

Come clean, Mr Adams, and disclose your close association with City of York Council.
What is wrong with travelling to work? The writer may not want to have to travel but it is not a matter of choice, we are often obliged to make uncomfortable compromises if the alternative is selling the Big Issue. To his credit Mr adams is conscious of environmental issues.

When it comes to disclosing close links BD, are you going to detail your links to an architect of this parish?
[quote][p][bold]Badgers Drift[/bold] wrote: Is this the Eddy Adams of Urbact, who lives in York, and works in Paris? Preaching about how cities like York should aim to be carbon neutral whilst he has such a big carbon footprint through his weekly jaunts to and from France, smacks of hypocrisy. Come clean, Mr Adams, and disclose your close association with City of York Council.[/p][/quote]What is wrong with travelling to work? The writer may not want to have to travel but it is not a matter of choice, we are often obliged to make uncomfortable compromises if the alternative is selling the Big Issue. To his credit Mr adams is conscious of environmental issues. When it comes to disclosing close links BD, are you going to detail your links to an architect of this parish? Jonothon
  • Score: -27

12:24pm Sat 19 Apr 14

gmsgop says...

How refreshing that this citizen is calling for cost benefit analysis before decisions are made. Of course I, and I am sure most citizens, would expect this to be a standard requirement before our local taxes, or national are spent ( or as our James always says 'invested' ). I think Eric Pickles will need to set more standards before an further localism can be contemplated.

If this is this THE Eddy who 'facilitated' the yet to be reported by the Council URBACT, a foreign trip extravaganza (also unreported) for staffers - perhaps he could use his great influence to encourage the Council to do cost benefit analysis for all projects, including URBACT.

Can we citizens see more on this URBACT work which is keeping our 'innovation' staff so busy overseas, they are countless months late in producing a basis innovation strategy.
How refreshing that this citizen is calling for cost benefit analysis before decisions are made. Of course I, and I am sure most citizens, would expect this to be a standard requirement before our local taxes, or national are spent ( or as our James always says 'invested' ). I think Eric Pickles will need to set more standards before an further localism can be contemplated. If this is this THE Eddy who 'facilitated' the yet to be reported by the Council URBACT, a foreign trip extravaganza (also unreported) for staffers - perhaps he could use his great influence to encourage the Council to do cost benefit analysis for all projects, including URBACT. Can we citizens see more on this URBACT work which is keeping our 'innovation' staff so busy overseas, they are countless months late in producing a basis innovation strategy. gmsgop
  • Score: -2

12:42pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Pinza-C55 says...

eboricana wrote:
I live in New Earswick and had to go the station on Thursday we got to the junction of Clarence Street and Lord Mayors 'walk and it was back to 12 cars through Lord Mayors walk traffic lights 3 through ours (please do not contradict as we time them and add them up) then Gillygate tailgated it was horrible, smelly and took forever, I got so fed I got off and walked to the station. Lendal Bridge was chocka and smelly and horrible and it was sad, You may not like it but not everyone can afford a car or even wants a car, before was nice in town it did not stink and it felt airy. No doubt I will get lots of sarcastic, rude comments but you what I could not care less!
I guess the only solution is to move home to the Scottish Highlands where the air and water will be fresh and pure and the only noise will be sheep bleating.

Or accept that by living in an urban area you are part of the problem; that you use pollution causing buses and trains and that the shops and services you use require restocking by vans and lorries.
[quote][p][bold]eboricana[/bold] wrote: I live in New Earswick and had to go the station on Thursday we got to the junction of Clarence Street and Lord Mayors 'walk and it was back to 12 cars through Lord Mayors walk traffic lights 3 through ours (please do not contradict as we time them and add them up) then Gillygate tailgated it was horrible, smelly and took forever, I got so fed I got off and walked to the station. Lendal Bridge was chocka and smelly and horrible and it was sad, You may not like it but not everyone can afford a car or even wants a car, before was nice in town it did not stink and it felt airy. No doubt I will get lots of sarcastic, rude comments but you what I could not care less![/p][/quote]I guess the only solution is to move home to the Scottish Highlands where the air and water will be fresh and pure and the only noise will be sheep bleating. Or accept that by living in an urban area you are part of the problem; that you use pollution causing buses and trains and that the shops and services you use require restocking by vans and lorries. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 3

9:17am Sun 20 Apr 14

AnotherPointofView says...

Mr Adams, you are sounding like PP saying "our city is gridlocked". No it's not!

Sometimes there is congestion which is made worse during the school holidays. Gridlocked, York is not.
Mr Adams, you are sounding like PP saying "our city is gridlocked". No it's not! Sometimes there is congestion which is made worse during the school holidays. Gridlocked, York is not. AnotherPointofView
  • Score: 3

4:54am Tue 22 Apr 14

Magicman! says...

To be honest, this council seems to be run by a bunch of slack-jawed luddites who haven't even had a plot to start with, nevermind losing the plot.

They start their tenure by getting rid of water end cycle lane, but tamper with the traffic lights there at the same time which then increases traffic queues along Shipton Road; they then start trying to promote cycling around York with various schemes and initiatives with the exception of actually providing quality cycle routes; they try and sell the Clarence Street car and coach park; then they allow the Minster Plazza to be built, a non-compliant space which will lead to a serious pedestrian/cyclist collision in which neither party will be to blame because 'shared spaces' such as the Plazza are only supposed to be built in low/medium pedestrian footfall areas; they then close off Lendal bridge to cars to make it easier to cycle and use the bus, whilst at the same time out at Clifton Moor putting down yet more sub-standard cycle lanes alongside built-out pavements on the roundabout exits which has led to dangerous pinch-points being created; they spend money putting down tarmac on a cycle path to nowhere instead of doing the sensible thing and getting the railway bridge installed first; then they reopen lendal bridge just in time for all the tourists that visit York during the Easter weekend to be greeted with queuing traffic.
To be honest, this council seems to be run by a bunch of slack-jawed luddites who haven't even had a plot to start with, nevermind losing the plot. They start their tenure by getting rid of water end cycle lane, but tamper with the traffic lights there at the same time which then increases traffic queues along Shipton Road; they then start trying to promote cycling around York with various schemes and initiatives with the exception of actually providing quality cycle routes; they try and sell the Clarence Street car and coach park; then they allow the Minster Plazza to be built, a non-compliant space which will lead to a serious pedestrian/cyclist collision in which neither party will be to blame because 'shared spaces' such as the Plazza are only supposed to be built in low/medium pedestrian footfall areas; they then close off Lendal bridge to cars to make it easier to cycle and use the bus, whilst at the same time out at Clifton Moor putting down yet more sub-standard cycle lanes alongside built-out pavements on the roundabout exits which has led to dangerous pinch-points being created; they spend money putting down tarmac on a cycle path to nowhere instead of doing the sensible thing and getting the railway bridge installed first; then they reopen lendal bridge just in time for all the tourists that visit York during the Easter weekend to be greeted with queuing traffic. Magicman!
  • Score: 0

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