Lendal Bridge traffic scheme is a disaster

One city visitor had his Lendal Bridge fine successfully reversed by the independent adjudicator and believes that the controversial scheme is illegal

One city visitor had his Lendal Bridge fine successfully reversed by the independent adjudicator and believes that the controversial scheme is illegal

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AS A visitor to York, I had a fine issued for crossing Lendal Bridge in November.

This scheme is a disaster and probably not legal.

I appealed my fine first to the council and then to the independent adjudicator, which was not contested by the council as it does not want to have this scheme unravel.

I now have my money back. Everyone should appeal.

There are no blue bus lane signs when heading out of the city in contravention of the bus lane statutory guidance notes. This means there is no alternative route for drivers to take, in contravention of the guidance, which says drivers must be given the option 300 metres before they are trapped into entering the lane.

Also the road markings are incorrect for a bus lane scheme. City of York Council knows this which is why it does not contest any appeals.

Just saying that the signs are legal is not enough if the scheme as a whole is illegal. The bridge itself has no sign telling people this is what it is called either.

My family will not be returning to York ever again. How many other tourists are you going to loose?

Michael Reynolds, Pottersfield Road, Cheltenham.

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10:55am Thu 20 Mar 14

Marc77 says...

Why does every letter from tourists who have fallen foul to the Lendal bridge fiasco, end their letter with "we wont be coming back"?.
Why does every letter from tourists who have fallen foul to the Lendal bridge fiasco, end their letter with "we wont be coming back"?. Marc77
  • Score: -1419

11:00am Thu 20 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

That will probably be because they will not be coming back.
That will probably be because they will not be coming back. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 798

11:26am Thu 20 Mar 14

TheTruthHurts says...

See after all these refunds and after the cost of signs and data processing etc im telling you that this is going to result in a loss
See after all these refunds and after the cost of signs and data processing etc im telling you that this is going to result in a loss TheTruthHurts
  • Score: 6341

11:28am Thu 20 Mar 14

Ageing Hippy says...

Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere!
Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere! Ageing Hippy
  • Score: -47

11:40am Thu 20 Mar 14

The Great Buda says...

"My family will not be returning to York ever again. How many other tourists are you going to loose? "

Good. I don't want drivers who fail to pay attention driving round the roads of York.
"My family will not be returning to York ever again. How many other tourists are you going to loose? " Good. I don't want drivers who fail to pay attention driving round the roads of York. The Great Buda
  • Score: -942

11:54am Thu 20 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

"loose" != "lose".
"loose" != "lose". Pinza-C55
  • Score: -142

12:26pm Thu 20 Mar 14

WhyEver says...

Marc77 wrote:
Why does every letter from tourists who have fallen foul to the Lendal bridge fiasco, end their letter with "we wont be coming back"?.
Probably if you're annoyed enough to write a letter to the newspaper, you are annoyed enough to avoid York in the future. There must be lots of others who don't return, tell all their friends not to come, but don't write to the Press.
[quote][p][bold]Marc77[/bold] wrote: Why does every letter from tourists who have fallen foul to the Lendal bridge fiasco, end their letter with "we wont be coming back"?.[/p][/quote]Probably if you're annoyed enough to write a letter to the newspaper, you are annoyed enough to avoid York in the future. There must be lots of others who don't return, tell all their friends not to come, but don't write to the Press. WhyEver
  • Score: 23

12:48pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Teabag1 says...

Well said Michael!!
Well said Michael!! Teabag1
  • Score: 63

2:55pm Thu 20 Mar 14

BKKYorkshireboy says...

"lose" - if i got a pound for every time i read "loose" when it should be "lose"! grr!
"lose" - if i got a pound for every time i read "loose" when it should be "lose"! grr! BKKYorkshireboy
  • Score: -164

3:34pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Justin7 says...

Oh well, one less tourist clogging up our streets. The writer seems to be under the misconception that's a bad thing.
Oh well, one less tourist clogging up our streets. The writer seems to be under the misconception that's a bad thing. Justin7
  • Score: -69

3:40pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

BKKYorkshireboy wrote:
"lose" - if i got a pound for every time i read "loose" when it should be "lose"! grr!
I suppose York's gain is Cheltenhams's "looss" ?
[quote][p][bold]BKKYorkshireboy[/bold] wrote: "lose" - if i got a pound for every time i read "loose" when it should be "lose"! grr![/p][/quote]I suppose York's gain is Cheltenhams's "looss" ? Pinza-C55
  • Score: -150

3:58pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Lunatic says...

One more person complaining that they were caught out driving without due care and attention.

Whether you're for or against the closure, making it all the way across the bridge without noticing a single sign or road marking is an astounding feat of ineptitude on the part of any driver. We're far better off if this sort stays away.
One more person complaining that they were caught out driving without due care and attention. Whether you're for or against the closure, making it all the way across the bridge without noticing a single sign or road marking is an astounding feat of ineptitude on the part of any driver. We're far better off if this sort stays away. Lunatic
  • Score: -233

4:29pm Thu 20 Mar 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

And we have to wait until 6th May to perhaps put an end to this madness!
And we have to wait until 6th May to perhaps put an end to this madness! ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 927

4:37pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Half Soldier says...

Before I start, I will say that I want Lendal Bridge opened up again, primarily because I want to get from A to B a little quicker than I do at present...

The writer of the letter, coming from Cheltenham, will no doubt know Gloucester very well; it is the next town along.

Going from Stroud to Hereford one day recently, I was happily following my sat-nav through Gloucester as you do in a place you're unfamiliar with. A left turn was ahead (A4301 onto Llanthony Road), or so I was informed.. Just before the turn, I just caught sight of a sign saying it was for buses only. There was no other warning. I went straight ahead where I was eventually threaded back onto the route I needed. The fact is, when I am in a built up area I'm unfamiliar with, I am on full alert for all these things that councils can throw upon us. The number of signs and the like for Lendal Bridge is more than adequate in my opinion - even if you don't know the bridge by name, the signage would be enough to get my worry hackles rising... But I do hope they open it up again as it would be easier for local and tourist alike...

Here's a link for a Streetview pic of the one and only sign on my route in Gloucester https://maps.google.
co.uk/maps?saddr=Str
oud&daddr=hereford&h
l=en&ll=51.860287,-2
.25091&spn=0.008203,
0.013797&sll=51.8302
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23.74
Before I start, I will say that I want Lendal Bridge opened up again, primarily because I want to get from A to B a little quicker than I do at present... The writer of the letter, coming from Cheltenham, will no doubt know Gloucester very well; it is the next town along. Going from Stroud to Hereford one day recently, I was happily following my sat-nav through Gloucester as you do in a place you're unfamiliar with. A left turn was ahead (A4301 onto Llanthony Road), or so I was informed.. Just before the turn, I just caught sight of a sign saying it was for buses only. There was no other warning. I went straight ahead where I was eventually threaded back onto the route I needed. The fact is, when I am in a built up area I'm unfamiliar with, I am on full alert for all these things that councils can throw upon us. The number of signs and the like for Lendal Bridge is more than adequate in my opinion - even if you don't know the bridge by name, the signage would be enough to get my worry hackles rising... But I do hope they open it up again as it would be easier for local and tourist alike... Here's a link for a Streetview pic of the one and only sign on my route in Gloucester https://maps.google. co.uk/maps?saddr=Str oud&daddr=hereford&h l=en&ll=51.860287,-2 .25091&spn=0.008203, 0.013797&sll=51.8302 61,-2.228165&sspn=0. 131334,0.220757&geoc ode=FcaTFQMd4ije_ynp D3ODJglxSDFJOmfOa4L- IQ%3BFU5RGgMduo7W_yl BU26qJdRvSDGWbDz9S5q c1Q&t=h&mra=ls&z=16& layer=c&cbll=51.8602 26,-2.250916&panoid= 0aueFmIt9kfZpQOPMpPL 1Q&cbp=12,326.32,,0, 23.74 Half Soldier
  • Score: -148

4:39pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Half Soldier says...

Or try this smaller link... http://goo.gl/maps/8
U8FY
Or try this smaller link... http://goo.gl/maps/8 U8FY Half Soldier
  • Score: -47

4:41pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Half Soldier says...

Sorry, I will get to grips with technology one day... here it is http://goo.gl/maps/b
PgWv
Sorry, I will get to grips with technology one day... here it is http://goo.gl/maps/b PgWv Half Soldier
  • Score: -19

4:45pm Thu 20 Mar 14

wildthing666 says...

In a FOI request the majority of cars caught crossing Lendal bridge where a notice to owner was sent did not have a YO postcode so it shows how out of touch people outside the York area were with the proposed restriction coming into force and the fines they would return home to.
In a FOI request the majority of cars caught crossing Lendal bridge where a notice to owner was sent did not have a YO postcode so it shows how out of touch people outside the York area were with the proposed restriction coming into force and the fines they would return home to. wildthing666
  • Score: 9

5:35pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

Ageing Hippy wrote:
Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere!
I am a york resident and I still maintain it is confusing for strangers to work out what to do whilst trying to read the signs, decipher the meaning of the arrow on the matrix sign, keep out of the bus lane all in such a short distance.
I personally stopped a visitor, who was driving in front of me from going over the bridge during the restricted times, he was obviously confused and in the end made a manoeuvre to go over the bridge, I blew my horn and flashed my lights, which stopped him, I then pointed to the signs and indicated that he should go down rougier street, which he did, unfortunately the car behind took no notice and went across, so he's now going have a fine sent to him.
What if anything is going to be done to stop all this happening when the council announce the success of this trial and make it permanent, or are they just going to continue collecting fines 'ad infinitum'.
[quote][p][bold]Ageing Hippy[/bold] wrote: Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere![/p][/quote]I am a york resident and I still maintain it is confusing for strangers to work out what to do whilst trying to read the signs, decipher the meaning of the arrow on the matrix sign, keep out of the bus lane all in such a short distance. I personally stopped a visitor, who was driving in front of me from going over the bridge during the restricted times, he was obviously confused and in the end made a manoeuvre to go over the bridge, I blew my horn and flashed my lights, which stopped him, I then pointed to the signs and indicated that he should go down rougier street, which he did, unfortunately the car behind took no notice and went across, so he's now going have a fine sent to him. What if anything is going to be done to stop all this happening when the council announce the success of this trial and make it permanent, or are they just going to continue collecting fines 'ad infinitum'. Igiveinthen
  • Score: 246

6:19pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Omega Point says...

"My family will not be returning to York ever again. Michael Reynolds,"
Your whole family, really. A whole family that throws it toys out of the pram. It is such a childish response as has been pointed out
"
"My family will not be returning to York ever again. Michael Reynolds," Your whole family, really. A whole family that throws it toys out of the pram. It is such a childish response as has been pointed out " Omega Point
  • Score: -366

7:07pm Thu 20 Mar 14

yorkandproud says...

Ageing Hippy wrote:
Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere!
Have a look at yourself in the mirror ageing hippy. Put your dodgy cigarette out, and repeat after me. " it is me who is the idiot" . Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Ageing Hippy[/bold] wrote: Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere![/p][/quote]Have a look at yourself in the mirror ageing hippy. Put your dodgy cigarette out, and repeat after me. " it is me who is the idiot" . Thank you. yorkandproud
  • Score: -74

9:17pm Thu 20 Mar 14

mutley12321 says...

Omega Point wrote:
"My family will not be returning to York ever again. Michael Reynolds,"
Your whole family, really. A whole family that throws it toys out of the pram. It is such a childish response as has been pointed out
"
Hello Omega Point.

"Such a childish response"? In what way childish?
[quote][p][bold]Omega Point[/bold] wrote: "My family will not be returning to York ever again. Michael Reynolds," Your whole family, really. A whole family that throws it toys out of the pram. It is such a childish response as has been pointed out "[/p][/quote]Hello Omega Point. "Such a childish response"? In what way childish? mutley12321
  • Score: -150

9:22pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Ageing Hippy says...

yorkandproud wrote:
Ageing Hippy wrote:
Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere!
Have a look at yourself in the mirror ageing hippy. Put your dodgy cigarette out, and repeat after me. " it is me who is the idiot" . Thank you.
Oh dear, methinks I have hooked one of the aforementioned homegrown idiots!
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ageing Hippy[/bold] wrote: Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere![/p][/quote]Have a look at yourself in the mirror ageing hippy. Put your dodgy cigarette out, and repeat after me. " it is me who is the idiot" . Thank you.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, methinks I have hooked one of the aforementioned homegrown idiots! Ageing Hippy
  • Score: -120

9:47pm Thu 20 Mar 14

mike.......durkin says...

thay shud let it open naw there allways a problams and copper gate
thay shud let it open naw there allways a problams and copper gate mike.......durkin
  • Score: -148

10:24pm Thu 20 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

I am just sat here pressing F5 actually watching the score changer at work. I thought this must be some sort of mass change but no it is changing each time I refresh. My goodness that is some dedicated misleading. It started from the bottom up today.
I am just sat here pressing F5 actually watching the score changer at work. I thought this must be some sort of mass change but no it is changing each time I refresh. My goodness that is some dedicated misleading. It started from the bottom up today. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -28

10:30pm Thu 20 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Well as you are at work right now score changer I see no reason to make life easy for you so another to have a go at here.

The letter writers thinking can be seen all over the internet not just in the pages of the press. This bridge closure must have done irreparable damage to York's image.
Well as you are at work right now score changer I see no reason to make life easy for you so another to have a go at here. The letter writers thinking can be seen all over the internet not just in the pages of the press. This bridge closure must have done irreparable damage to York's image. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -135

10:32pm Thu 20 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

About 80% of York's residents believe this closure should be ended or should never have started.
About 80% of York's residents believe this closure should be ended or should never have started. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -112

10:50pm Thu 20 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Still at it are you score changer well here is one more to do.

There is more congestion in York now due to this closure and that means more pollution.

Sorry folks just vague ramblings to keep this person busy changing scores.
Still at it are you score changer well here is one more to do. There is more congestion in York now due to this closure and that means more pollution. Sorry folks just vague ramblings to keep this person busy changing scores. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: 7

10:53pm Thu 20 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Nice to see the bait has been taken though this has kept the changer busy for nearly half an hour now and sad I know but it is entertaining me watching it try to keep up.
Nice to see the bait has been taken though this has kept the changer busy for nearly half an hour now and sad I know but it is entertaining me watching it try to keep up. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -89

11:39pm Thu 20 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

That's it good score changer keep it up.
That's it good score changer keep it up. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -12

5:20am Fri 21 Mar 14

anth!! says...

strangebuttrue? wrote:
About 80% of York's residents believe this closure should be ended or should never have started.
80% ?, as their been a vote like ?
[quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: About 80% of York's residents believe this closure should be ended or should never have started.[/p][/quote]80% ?, as their been a vote like ? anth!!
  • Score: 22

5:25am Fri 21 Mar 14

anth!! says...

If the letter writer got a fine in November, how come it as taken till March for him to have a whinge ?
If the letter writer got a fine in November, how come it as taken till March for him to have a whinge ? anth!!
  • Score: 23

7:49am Fri 21 Mar 14

nearlyman says...

.......well he does say he went through the appeals process............a
nd the post probably had to cross the bridge !!
.......well he does say he went through the appeals process............a nd the post probably had to cross the bridge !! nearlyman
  • Score: 1

8:23am Fri 21 Mar 14

oldgoat says...

anth!! wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
About 80% of York's residents believe this closure should be ended or should never have started.
80% ?, as their been a vote like ?
with their feet.....

Started going to Selby, Leeds, Thirsk instead....
[quote][p][bold]anth!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: About 80% of York's residents believe this closure should be ended or should never have started.[/p][/quote]80% ?, as their been a vote like ?[/p][/quote]with their feet..... Started going to Selby, Leeds, Thirsk instead.... oldgoat
  • Score: 5

9:17am Fri 21 Mar 14

anth!! says...

oldgoat wrote:
anth!! wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
About 80% of York's residents believe this closure should be ended or should never have started.
80% ?, as their been a vote like ?
with their feet.....

Started going to Selby, Leeds, Thirsk instead....
So you are saying as a York resident you would rather go to Selby, Leeds, or Thirsk to do your shopping all because of the Lendal Bridge restrictions ?
[quote][p][bold]oldgoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anth!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: About 80% of York's residents believe this closure should be ended or should never have started.[/p][/quote]80% ?, as their been a vote like ?[/p][/quote]with their feet..... Started going to Selby, Leeds, Thirsk instead....[/p][/quote]So you are saying as a York resident you would rather go to Selby, Leeds, or Thirsk to do your shopping all because of the Lendal Bridge restrictions ? anth!!
  • Score: 8

10:45am Fri 21 Mar 14

songwriter says...

I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?
I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city? songwriter
  • Score: -7

11:03am Fri 21 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

songwriter wrote:
I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?
Because we don't live in North Korea.
[quote][p][bold]songwriter[/bold] wrote: I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?[/p][/quote]Because we don't live in North Korea. Pinza-C55
  • Score: -107

11:45am Fri 21 Mar 14

sonorbloke says...

songwriter wrote:
I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?
The bridge isn't closed, only to private cars/vans etc.

There are still a large number of buses and taxis crossing it even with the restrictions in place.
[quote][p][bold]songwriter[/bold] wrote: I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?[/p][/quote]The bridge isn't closed, only to private cars/vans etc. There are still a large number of buses and taxis crossing it even with the restrictions in place. sonorbloke
  • Score: -120

12:37pm Fri 21 Mar 14

garethjv says...

Ageing Hippy wrote:
Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere!
Too true, you just need to take a look at the ones on the council who dreamed up this ridiculous mess!
[quote][p][bold]Ageing Hippy[/bold] wrote: Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere![/p][/quote]Too true, you just need to take a look at the ones on the council who dreamed up this ridiculous mess! garethjv
  • Score: -100

12:43pm Fri 21 Mar 14

garethjv says...

Half Soldier wrote:
Before I start, I will say that I want Lendal Bridge opened up again, primarily because I want to get from A to B a little quicker than I do at present...

The writer of the letter, coming from Cheltenham, will no doubt know Gloucester very well; it is the next town along.

Going from Stroud to Hereford one day recently, I was happily following my sat-nav through Gloucester as you do in a place you're unfamiliar with. A left turn was ahead (A4301 onto Llanthony Road), or so I was informed.. Just before the turn, I just caught sight of a sign saying it was for buses only. There was no other warning. I went straight ahead where I was eventually threaded back onto the route I needed. The fact is, when I am in a built up area I'm unfamiliar with, I am on full alert for all these things that councils can throw upon us. The number of signs and the like for Lendal Bridge is more than adequate in my opinion - even if you don't know the bridge by name, the signage would be enough to get my worry hackles rising... But I do hope they open it up again as it would be easier for local and tourist alike...

Here's a link for a Streetview pic of the one and only sign on my route in Gloucester https://maps.google.

co.uk/maps?saddr=Str

oud&daddr=herefo
rd&h
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23.74
Not sure why you get so many thumbs down! Those council cretins must be at it again spending their time thumbing down letters opposed to the bridge closure!
As for the one in Gloucester if you carried on you'd see there was another warning just before the bridge that was pretty clear and you could have turned around and avoided a fine.
[quote][p][bold]Half Soldier[/bold] wrote: Before I start, I will say that I want Lendal Bridge opened up again, primarily because I want to get from A to B a little quicker than I do at present... The writer of the letter, coming from Cheltenham, will no doubt know Gloucester very well; it is the next town along. Going from Stroud to Hereford one day recently, I was happily following my sat-nav through Gloucester as you do in a place you're unfamiliar with. A left turn was ahead (A4301 onto Llanthony Road), or so I was informed.. Just before the turn, I just caught sight of a sign saying it was for buses only. There was no other warning. I went straight ahead where I was eventually threaded back onto the route I needed. The fact is, when I am in a built up area I'm unfamiliar with, I am on full alert for all these things that councils can throw upon us. The number of signs and the like for Lendal Bridge is more than adequate in my opinion - even if you don't know the bridge by name, the signage would be enough to get my worry hackles rising... But I do hope they open it up again as it would be easier for local and tourist alike... Here's a link for a Streetview pic of the one and only sign on my route in Gloucester https://maps.google. co.uk/maps?saddr=Str oud&daddr=herefo rd&h l=en&ll=51.86028 7,-2 .25091&spn=0.008 203, 0.013797&sll=51. 8302 61,-2.228165&ssp n=0. 131334,0.220757& geoc ode=FcaTFQMd4ije_ynp D3ODJglxSDFJOmfOa4L- IQ%3BFU5RGgMduo7W_yl BU26qJdRvSDGWbDz9S5q c1Q&t=h&mra= ls&z=16& layer=c&cbll=51. 8602 26,-2.250916&pan oid= 0aueFmIt9kfZpQOPMpPL 1Q&cbp=12,326.32 ,,0, 23.74[/p][/quote]Not sure why you get so many thumbs down! Those council cretins must be at it again spending their time thumbing down letters opposed to the bridge closure! As for the one in Gloucester if you carried on you'd see there was another warning just before the bridge that was pretty clear and you could have turned around and avoided a fine. garethjv
  • Score: -74

12:48pm Fri 21 Mar 14

garethjv says...

wildthing666 wrote:
In a FOI request the majority of cars caught crossing Lendal bridge where a notice to owner was sent did not have a YO postcode so it shows how out of touch people outside the York area were with the proposed restriction coming into force and the fines they would return home to.
York council are going to be in for a shock when they try to get approval to make this trial permanent. Central government won't be happy with the silly half baked game they've been playing on unsuspecting visitors for the last 7 months.
[quote][p][bold]wildthing666[/bold] wrote: In a FOI request the majority of cars caught crossing Lendal bridge where a notice to owner was sent did not have a YO postcode so it shows how out of touch people outside the York area were with the proposed restriction coming into force and the fines they would return home to.[/p][/quote]York council are going to be in for a shock when they try to get approval to make this trial permanent. Central government won't be happy with the silly half baked game they've been playing on unsuspecting visitors for the last 7 months. garethjv
  • Score: -115

1:30pm Fri 21 Mar 14

WhyEver says...

sonorbloke wrote:
songwriter wrote:
I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?
The bridge isn't closed, only to private cars/vans etc.

There are still a large number of buses and taxis crossing it even with the restrictions in place.
What about all those yellow signs cluttering up the place which say "Lendal Bridge Closed"?

It's only a year ago that we had Reinvigorate York and Dave Merrett removing unnecessary signs from the City, now we've got bloody great flashing ones next to the walls.
[quote][p][bold]sonorbloke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]songwriter[/bold] wrote: I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?[/p][/quote]The bridge isn't closed, only to private cars/vans etc. There are still a large number of buses and taxis crossing it even with the restrictions in place.[/p][/quote]What about all those yellow signs cluttering up the place which say "Lendal Bridge Closed"? It's only a year ago that we had Reinvigorate York and Dave Merrett removing unnecessary signs from the City, now we've got bloody great flashing ones next to the walls. WhyEver
  • Score: -102

3:48pm Fri 21 Mar 14

York2000 says...

Conversation at the Press office:

'Not much happening in York today'
'Quick type one of those I hate Lendal Bridge letters, that should get some comments going on the website.'
'Ha - Great idea.'
Conversation at the Press office: 'Not much happening in York today' 'Quick type one of those I hate Lendal Bridge letters, that should get some comments going on the website.' 'Ha - Great idea.' York2000
  • Score: -121

5:03pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

songwriter wrote:
I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?
Because they always have, as far back in history as you can go, that's why they had roads and streets and gates in the walls to let the transport systems access the city, gawd 'n' bennett.
[quote][p][bold]songwriter[/bold] wrote: I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?[/p][/quote]Because they always have, as far back in history as you can go, that's why they had roads and streets and gates in the walls to let the transport systems access the city, gawd 'n' bennett. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -95

5:06pm Fri 21 Mar 14

tiger4 says...

Lunatic wrote:
One more person complaining that they were caught out driving without due care and attention.

Whether you're for or against the closure, making it all the way across the bridge without noticing a single sign or road marking is an astounding feat of ineptitude on the part of any driver. We're far better off if this sort stays away.
You are missing the point, ,it does not matter how many signs there are if the regulations are not adhered to, that is why the council will not contest appeals because they would lose and have to repay all the money already extorted from drivers.
[quote][p][bold]Lunatic[/bold] wrote: One more person complaining that they were caught out driving without due care and attention. Whether you're for or against the closure, making it all the way across the bridge without noticing a single sign or road marking is an astounding feat of ineptitude on the part of any driver. We're far better off if this sort stays away.[/p][/quote]You are missing the point, ,it does not matter how many signs there are if the regulations are not adhered to, that is why the council will not contest appeals because they would lose and have to repay all the money already extorted from drivers. tiger4
  • Score: -244

7:29pm Fri 21 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

anth!! wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
About 80% of York's residents believe this closure should be ended or should never have started.
80% ?, as their been a vote like ?
Yes on this very site and I believe it was greater than 80% against the closure. Mind you the press had to close the vote after correcting it as the score changer got to that too.
[quote][p][bold]anth!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: About 80% of York's residents believe this closure should be ended or should never have started.[/p][/quote]80% ?, as their been a vote like ?[/p][/quote]Yes on this very site and I believe it was greater than 80% against the closure. Mind you the press had to close the vote after correcting it as the score changer got to that too. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -216

7:52pm Fri 21 Mar 14

WhyEver says...

anth!! wrote:
strangebuttrue? wrote:
About 80% of York's residents believe this closure should be ended or should never have started.
80% ?, as their been a vote like ?
80% from the online Press survey

Council secrets story in the Press: "survey findings showing three-quarters of the 1,200 people polled believed the restrictions had harmed York."
[quote][p][bold]anth!![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]strangebuttrue?[/bold] wrote: About 80% of York's residents believe this closure should be ended or should never have started.[/p][/quote]80% ?, as their been a vote like ?[/p][/quote]80% from the online Press survey Council secrets story in the Press: "survey findings showing three-quarters of the 1,200 people polled believed the restrictions had harmed York." WhyEver
  • Score: -204

9:22pm Fri 21 Mar 14

nowthen says...

Coun Alexander suggested Coun Merrett should not do a TV interview about the scheme and another cabinet member should step in, saying: “I would try and share it out – we can’t have the scheme look attached to myself or Dave personally”. Says it all doesn't it.
Coun Alexander suggested Coun Merrett should not do a TV interview about the scheme and another cabinet member should step in, saying: “I would try and share it out – we can’t have the scheme look attached to myself or Dave personally”. Says it all doesn't it. nowthen
  • Score: -190

11:52pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Non-corporate entity says...

Pinza-C55 wrote:
songwriter wrote:
I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?
Because we don't live in North Korea.
What gives the council the right to close it?!
[quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]songwriter[/bold] wrote: I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?[/p][/quote]Because we don't live in North Korea.[/p][/quote]What gives the council the right to close it?! Non-corporate entity
  • Score: -86

5:05am Sat 22 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

The very first sentance says a whole lot more than the rest of the letter. here, let me phrase it correctly:

"I got fined for going over the bridge because I didn't look properly, and now I think this is bad because it affected me and I am having a teeny bit of a tantrum".


By the way, the signs now do say "Lendal bridge" at the top of them.
The very first sentance says a whole lot more than the rest of the letter. here, let me phrase it correctly: "I got fined for going over the bridge because I didn't look properly, and now I think this is bad because it affected me and I am having a teeny bit of a tantrum". By the way, the signs now do say "Lendal bridge" at the top of them. Magicman!
  • Score: 10

1:29pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Pinza-C55 says...

Non-corporate entity wrote:
Pinza-C55 wrote:
songwriter wrote:
I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?
Because we don't live in North Korea.
What gives the council the right to close it?!
The fact that every few years we get to vote for a council and that for the time they are in office they can do what they like without reference to us.
[quote][p][bold]Non-corporate entity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pinza-C55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]songwriter[/bold] wrote: I really like it that the bridge is closed. Why do people assume they have a right to drive through the city?[/p][/quote]Because we don't live in North Korea.[/p][/quote]What gives the council the right to close it?![/p][/quote]The fact that every few years we get to vote for a council and that for the time they are in office they can do what they like without reference to us. Pinza-C55
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Wed 26 Mar 14

long distance depressive says...

yorkandproud wrote:
Ageing Hippy wrote:
Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere!
Have a look at yourself in the mirror ageing hippy. Put your dodgy cigarette out, and repeat after me. " it is me who is the idiot" . Thank you.
I think Great Buda and Ageing Hippy are one and the same moron.
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ageing Hippy[/bold] wrote: Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere![/p][/quote]Have a look at yourself in the mirror ageing hippy. Put your dodgy cigarette out, and repeat after me. " it is me who is the idiot" . Thank you.[/p][/quote]I think Great Buda and Ageing Hippy are one and the same moron. long distance depressive
  • Score: 2

2:29pm Wed 26 Mar 14

long distance depressive says...

yorkandproud wrote:
Ageing Hippy wrote:
Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere!
Have a look at yourself in the mirror ageing hippy. Put your dodgy cigarette out, and repeat after me. " it is me who is the idiot" . Thank you.
I think Great Buda and Ageing Hippy are one and the same moron.
[quote][p][bold]yorkandproud[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ageing Hippy[/bold] wrote: Good, if he can't work out that he wasn't allowed to use the bridge we are better off without him, we have enough homegrown idiots without importing them from elsewhere![/p][/quote]Have a look at yourself in the mirror ageing hippy. Put your dodgy cigarette out, and repeat after me. " it is me who is the idiot" . Thank you.[/p][/quote]I think Great Buda and Ageing Hippy are one and the same moron. long distance depressive
  • Score: 2

9:18pm Sun 13 Apr 14

garethjv says...

garethjv wrote:
wildthing666 wrote:
In a FOI request the majority of cars caught crossing Lendal bridge where a notice to owner was sent did not have a YO postcode so it shows how out of touch people outside the York area were with the proposed restriction coming into force and the fines they would return home to.
York council are going to be in for a shock when they try to get approval to make this trial permanent. Central government won't be happy with the silly half baked game they've been playing on unsuspecting visitors for the last 7 months.
well despite all the thumbs down, seems I've been proved right!
[quote][p][bold]garethjv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wildthing666[/bold] wrote: In a FOI request the majority of cars caught crossing Lendal bridge where a notice to owner was sent did not have a YO postcode so it shows how out of touch people outside the York area were with the proposed restriction coming into force and the fines they would return home to.[/p][/quote]York council are going to be in for a shock when they try to get approval to make this trial permanent. Central government won't be happy with the silly half baked game they've been playing on unsuspecting visitors for the last 7 months.[/p][/quote]well despite all the thumbs down, seems I've been proved right! garethjv
  • Score: 0

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