Mad motorists are such a menace

York Press: Mad motorists are such a menace Mad motorists are such a menace

I KNOW there is nothing anyone can do about any of these incidents, and it is impossible to educate some car, van and lorry drivers to be aware when passing cyclists.

I have just come back from a pleasant cycle ride from York to Pocklington, avoiding the main roads.

However, so many cars overtook us (four of us) without slowing down, not bothering whether a car was coming in the opposite direction, they overtook us on bends.

Although we ride in single file, when a car is coming from behind , obviously due to the bad condition of the roads we can’t go too near the verge.

You hear stories of so many cyclists getting killed or very badly injured.

Some (a minority of) drivers are rude, ignorant and drive extremely dangerously It’s now becoming a thought that crosses my mind each time I go out on my bike: will I and my cycle friends survive this ride?

We were waiting to cross over the A166 between Stamford Bridge and the Balloon Tree.

Two crossed over, the other two off us waited patiently, a car very kindly stopped to let us cross. But an ignorant and dangerous driver came out of the queue without looking and very very nearly cleaned us out.

How can we stop these mad drivers? We never will. If only they could realise we are mums, dads, grandmas, grandads just like them.

Dawn Riley, Maypole Grove, Naburn, York.

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2:11pm Mon 17 Mar 14

pedalling paul says...

When approaching a blind corner, look back over the right shoulder and move from the secondary to the primary position. Stay there until you can see that it is clear and safe for following drivers to overtake. Simple!
When approaching a blind corner, look back over the right shoulder and move from the secondary to the primary position. Stay there until you can see that it is clear and safe for following drivers to overtake. Simple! pedalling paul
  • Score: 13

3:16pm Mon 17 Mar 14

TheTruthHurts says...

pedalling paul wrote:
When approaching a blind corner, look back over the right shoulder and move from the secondary to the primary position. Stay there until you can see that it is clear and safe for following drivers to overtake. Simple!
Shut up Paul.

Whilst this is correct it fails to take into account that SOME drivers have little to no patience and need to drive in an aggressive manner to get to where they are going in the fastest possible time no matter what the cost.

In my experience (100+ miles a week cycled) most all drivers are considerate however it only takes one idiot to kill you.
[quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: When approaching a blind corner, look back over the right shoulder and move from the secondary to the primary position. Stay there until you can see that it is clear and safe for following drivers to overtake. Simple![/p][/quote]Shut up Paul. Whilst this is correct it fails to take into account that SOME drivers have little to no patience and need to drive in an aggressive manner to get to where they are going in the fastest possible time no matter what the cost. In my experience (100+ miles a week cycled) most all drivers are considerate however it only takes one idiot to kill you. TheTruthHurts
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6:31pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Buzzz Light-year says...

Good letter.
On Saturday I saw a Unibus driver very nearly hit a cyclist at the Coppergate Piccadilly junction. It was his mistake, yet he angrily called the cyclist a pratt.
Not on.
Good letter. On Saturday I saw a Unibus driver very nearly hit a cyclist at the Coppergate Piccadilly junction. It was his mistake, yet he angrily called the cyclist a pratt. Not on. Buzzz Light-year
  • Score: 37

6:37pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Igiveinthen says...

TheTruthHurts wrote:
pedalling paul wrote:
When approaching a blind corner, look back over the right shoulder and move from the secondary to the primary position. Stay there until you can see that it is clear and safe for following drivers to overtake. Simple!
Shut up Paul.

Whilst this is correct it fails to take into account that SOME drivers have little to no patience and need to drive in an aggressive manner to get to where they are going in the fastest possible time no matter what the cost.

In my experience (100+ miles a week cycled) most all drivers are considerate however it only takes one idiot to kill you.
Thank goodness a cyclist with sense and logic, most of us car drivers do give the cyclist room when passing, but the manoeuvre you describe pp could lead to an idiot driver to totally ignore you and try to pass you come what may!
[quote][p][bold]TheTruthHurts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pedalling paul [/bold] wrote: When approaching a blind corner, look back over the right shoulder and move from the secondary to the primary position. Stay there until you can see that it is clear and safe for following drivers to overtake. Simple![/p][/quote]Shut up Paul. Whilst this is correct it fails to take into account that SOME drivers have little to no patience and need to drive in an aggressive manner to get to where they are going in the fastest possible time no matter what the cost. In my experience (100+ miles a week cycled) most all drivers are considerate however it only takes one idiot to kill you.[/p][/quote]Thank goodness a cyclist with sense and logic, most of us car drivers do give the cyclist room when passing, but the manoeuvre you describe pp could lead to an idiot driver to totally ignore you and try to pass you come what may! Igiveinthen
  • Score: -9

8:04pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Meldrew2 says...

Last Thursday at the junction of Scarcroft Road and Bishopthorpe Road I was indicating left and waiting for the green filter light. When the light changed to green a young lady on a cycle came up on my right hand side. She wasn't indicating and I assumed she might be turning right. Imagine my surprise when she turned left in front of my car. Luckily for her I had my wits about me or she would have been under my front wheels.

Coming back home at 6-10pm (dusk) a young fella decided it was a good idea to run a red light at the junction of Lawrence St and James St. He had no lights on and I only missed hitting him because I was taking extra care at this junction due to my local knowledge. Anyone going faster could have seriously injured him.

So there are inconsiderate road users on both sides of the fence.
Last Thursday at the junction of Scarcroft Road and Bishopthorpe Road I was indicating left and waiting for the green filter light. When the light changed to green a young lady on a cycle came up on my right hand side. She wasn't indicating and I assumed she might be turning right. Imagine my surprise when she turned left in front of my car. Luckily for her I had my wits about me or she would have been under my front wheels. Coming back home at 6-10pm (dusk) a young fella decided it was a good idea to run a red light at the junction of Lawrence St and James St. He had no lights on and I only missed hitting him because I was taking extra care at this junction due to my local knowledge. Anyone going faster could have seriously injured him. So there are inconsiderate road users on both sides of the fence. Meldrew2
  • Score: 20

9:29pm Mon 17 Mar 14

strangebuttrue? says...

The letter writer is quite right some motorists are totally inconsiderate or just plain so useless at driving that they do endanger cyclists. PP should stop giving his riding advice as all it does is create a rift between cyclist and car drivers he is quite obviously saying block the passage of other vehicles at every opportunity and according to some he does this in a most dangerous and annoying way.
Today I was passing the end of PP's street, oddly enough. I was approaching the junction at the end of his street and car was coming towards me in the opposite direction and lo and behold, I am assuming it was one of PP neighbours came out of the end on a cycle head down no looking at all straight out onto the main road right in front of the approaching car which had to swerve to my side of the road to miss her and caused me to have to swerve to miss him. Made me wonder if this was some more of PP's teachings? But at least she lived to tell the tail. Mind you I don't think she even noticed what she had done either that or she could not care less.
The letter writer is quite right some motorists are totally inconsiderate or just plain so useless at driving that they do endanger cyclists. PP should stop giving his riding advice as all it does is create a rift between cyclist and car drivers he is quite obviously saying block the passage of other vehicles at every opportunity and according to some he does this in a most dangerous and annoying way. Today I was passing the end of PP's street, oddly enough. I was approaching the junction at the end of his street and car was coming towards me in the opposite direction and lo and behold, I am assuming it was one of PP neighbours came out of the end on a cycle head down no looking at all straight out onto the main road right in front of the approaching car which had to swerve to my side of the road to miss her and caused me to have to swerve to miss him. Made me wonder if this was some more of PP's teachings? But at least she lived to tell the tail. Mind you I don't think she even noticed what she had done either that or she could not care less. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -2

9:35pm Mon 17 Mar 14

old_geezer says...

As I keep posting, a prat is a prat whether on foot, bike, or behind the wheel.
As I keep posting, a prat is a prat whether on foot, bike, or behind the wheel. old_geezer
  • Score: 18

2:58am Tue 18 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

I've had recent experiences from both sides... other cyclists being one on East Parade that came out from the shops (wrong way down a one way street), and then turned left onto East Pardade without even looking. Middle aged woman as well, you'd have thought she'd have more sense. Another example was a guy not indicating.

But recently there seems to have been car drivers using the horn in an aggressive manner. On Friday I was indicating to turn right from Haxby Road into Hayleys Terrace, and had looked behind me before starting to pull across, and the driver of some small Pugeot decided to give me a honk becdause he didn't want to wait.... and today I was parked in Shipton Road behind another vehicle and having a chat with somebody next to the road, and somebody in a tiny blue fiat car decided to give a blast of the horn - most likely some old person who can't see behind the steering wheel to see a bike with the back light on (even in daylight) parked behind a vehicle with high visibility markings. I've even had it where I've been turning the blind corner on Huntington Road (near Park Grove) and a car has honked me because he wanted me to pull to the pavement and get off so he could go past first!

Up in the Yorkshire Dales the other day, I was on a bus service winding through some narrow country lanes when the bus encountered a van coming the other way a bit further up. The van driver pulled to one side, and flashed his lights to let the bus come through - only to then be overtaken a few seconds later (after the bus had started moving) by a small Pugeot which then barrelled along towards the bus. A bit further along the route, the bus had come to a partially blind corner by a single lane bridge, after the bridge the road widened enough for 2 vehicles to pass - and the bus had got the front end over the bridge but was forced to reverse out of the way of a people carrier who came straight at the bus beyond the double-width section of road and bullied its way through first.
Jeremy Clarkson may say it's Audi and BMW drivers that are the terrible ones... but in my experience the truly dangerous drivers are in people carriers and small cars (smaller than a Ford Focus).

The council could do more to make things safer though. Bur Dyke Avenue is littered with parked vehicles for most of its length - and a lot of times cyclists get forced right over or even onto the pavement by vehicles coming the other way and pulling around the parked vehicles even though the bike has right of way, followed by several other cars playing 'follow the leader'; this dangerous situation could be minimalised if the disused grass verge was removed for parking bays.... either that or paint double yellows the full length and issue daily fines to every car parked 'illegally', if the council want to have a new controversy instead of lendal bridge!
I've had recent experiences from both sides... other cyclists being one on East Parade that came out from the shops (wrong way down a one way street), and then turned left onto East Pardade without even looking. Middle aged woman as well, you'd have thought she'd have more sense. Another example was a guy not indicating. But recently there seems to have been car drivers using the horn in an aggressive manner. On Friday I was indicating to turn right from Haxby Road into Hayleys Terrace, and had looked behind me before starting to pull across, and the driver of some small Pugeot decided to give me a honk becdause he didn't want to wait.... and today I was parked in Shipton Road behind another vehicle and having a chat with somebody next to the road, and somebody in a tiny blue fiat car decided to give a blast of the horn - most likely some old person who can't see behind the steering wheel to see a bike with the back light on (even in daylight) parked behind a vehicle with high visibility markings. I've even had it where I've been turning the blind corner on Huntington Road (near Park Grove) and a car has honked me because he wanted me to pull to the pavement and get off so he could go past first! Up in the Yorkshire Dales the other day, I was on a bus service winding through some narrow country lanes when the bus encountered a van coming the other way a bit further up. The van driver pulled to one side, and flashed his lights to let the bus come through - only to then be overtaken a few seconds later (after the bus had started moving) by a small Pugeot which then barrelled along towards the bus. A bit further along the route, the bus had come to a partially blind corner by a single lane bridge, after the bridge the road widened enough for 2 vehicles to pass - and the bus had got the front end over the bridge but was forced to reverse out of the way of a people carrier who came straight at the bus beyond the double-width section of road and bullied its way through first. Jeremy Clarkson may say it's Audi and BMW drivers that are the terrible ones... but in my experience the truly dangerous drivers are in people carriers and small cars (smaller than a Ford Focus). The council could do more to make things safer though. Bur Dyke Avenue is littered with parked vehicles for most of its length - and a lot of times cyclists get forced right over or even onto the pavement by vehicles coming the other way and pulling around the parked vehicles even though the bike has right of way, followed by several other cars playing 'follow the leader'; this dangerous situation could be minimalised if the disused grass verge was removed for parking bays.... either that or paint double yellows the full length and issue daily fines to every car parked 'illegally', if the council want to have a new controversy instead of lendal bridge! Magicman!
  • Score: 3

9:26am Tue 18 Mar 14

gurgles says...

most drivers are fine some are idiots no patience blah d blah cyclists again mostly are fine some are idiots cycling on busy pavements jumping red lights blah d blah - people are people and the 'me' culture seems to be the right of way for the idiots blah d blah d blah . . .
most drivers are fine some are idiots no patience blah d blah cyclists again mostly are fine some are idiots cycling on busy pavements jumping red lights blah d blah - people are people and the 'me' culture seems to be the right of way for the idiots blah d blah d blah . . . gurgles
  • Score: 8

11:57am Tue 18 Mar 14

Captain Beige says...

idiots will be idiots wherever they are.

Cyclists don't help themselves by disregarding road rules as it suits them (which P**ses the car drivers off)

and

Car drivers don't help themselves by passing close to cyclists at high speed or being impatient at junctions (which p**ses the cyclists off)

In both cases it is the minority setting bad examples, but they are the ones talked about.

In regards to the incident by the balloon tree.. was it a badly pimped up purple VW Lupo by any chance? If so - then the pratt has nothing against cyclists, he just seems to think he owns the road full stop!
idiots will be idiots wherever they are. Cyclists don't help themselves by disregarding road rules as it suits them (which P**ses the car drivers off) and Car drivers don't help themselves by passing close to cyclists at high speed or being impatient at junctions (which p**ses the cyclists off) In both cases it is the minority setting bad examples, but they are the ones talked about. In regards to the incident by the balloon tree.. was it a badly pimped up purple VW Lupo by any chance? If so - then the pratt has nothing against cyclists, he just seems to think he owns the road full stop! Captain Beige
  • Score: 9

1:23pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Teabag1 says...

Why do some cyclists stay on the road when there is a perfectly good cycle path available for them?
Why do some cyclists stay on the road when there is a perfectly good cycle path available for them? Teabag1
  • Score: 3

1:24pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Teabag1 says...

But I do agree people should take more care :-)
But I do agree people should take more care :-) Teabag1
  • Score: 7

2:38pm Tue 18 Mar 14

It'sallso'Tragic' says...

Teabag1 wrote:
Why do some cyclists stay on the road when there is a perfectly good cycle path available for them?
Probably because most of the off-road cycle paths in York stop suddenly and force you to merge with traffic in the most dangerous places. For example the traffic lights at the top of Water End, the top of the Mount towards Tadcaster next to the bus stop, the Clifton end of Water End on the corner. Most stop without warning for both cyclists and motorists.

As a cyclist it annoys me when cyclists go through red lights and generally ignore the rules of the road. But then car drivers are guilty of this too, I was nearly knocked off this morning by a car that clearly came through on red. Perhaps if all just got along and followed the rules we could exist in harmony?! :-)

I think more could be done to protect cyclists and improve road conditions so travelling was better for everyone, but that will cost money...
[quote][p][bold]Teabag1[/bold] wrote: Why do some cyclists stay on the road when there is a perfectly good cycle path available for them?[/p][/quote]Probably because most of the off-road cycle paths in York stop suddenly and force you to merge with traffic in the most dangerous places. For example the traffic lights at the top of Water End, the top of the Mount towards Tadcaster next to the bus stop, the Clifton end of Water End on the corner. Most stop without warning for both cyclists and motorists. As a cyclist it annoys me when cyclists go through red lights and generally ignore the rules of the road. But then car drivers are guilty of this too, I was nearly knocked off this morning by a car that clearly came through on red. Perhaps if all just got along and followed the rules we could exist in harmony?! :-) I think more could be done to protect cyclists and improve road conditions so travelling was better for everyone, but that will cost money... It'sallso'Tragic'
  • Score: 4

3:38pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Lunatic says...

My main complaint is how difficult cyclists are to pick out of my grille.

And the low quality of my jokes.
My main complaint is how difficult cyclists are to pick out of my grille. And the low quality of my jokes. Lunatic
  • Score: 1

3:55pm Tue 18 Mar 14

CaroleBaines says...

Talking of mad drivers, I have never been so alarmed as I was today crossing Station Rd where it meets Micklegate. Okay - I crossed late and the lights changed, but to the bus driver who basically drove at me while honking his horn - why? If I had tripped there was no way he could have stopped. I do not scare easily but that was ridiculous.
What the hell is the matter with First in York? Sort your drivers out.
Talking of mad drivers, I have never been so alarmed as I was today crossing Station Rd where it meets Micklegate. Okay - I crossed late and the lights changed, but to the bus driver who basically drove at me while honking his horn - why? If I had tripped there was no way he could have stopped. I do not scare easily but that was ridiculous. What the hell is the matter with First in York? Sort your drivers out. CaroleBaines
  • Score: 1

4:35pm Tue 18 Mar 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Fixing the roads will help make things safer. Many roads are dangerous.
Fixing the roads will help make things safer. Many roads are dangerous. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Tue 18 Mar 14

SB Dubs says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
Talking of mad drivers, I have never been so alarmed as I was today crossing Station Rd where it meets Micklegate. Okay - I crossed late and the lights changed, but to the bus driver who basically drove at me while honking his horn - why? If I had tripped there was no way he could have stopped. I do not scare easily but that was ridiculous.
What the hell is the matter with First in York? Sort your drivers out.
he probably honked because as you admit you crossed late. you are correct that what if you had slipped, but that should have been in your mind if you were risking it crossing so late.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Talking of mad drivers, I have never been so alarmed as I was today crossing Station Rd where it meets Micklegate. Okay - I crossed late and the lights changed, but to the bus driver who basically drove at me while honking his horn - why? If I had tripped there was no way he could have stopped. I do not scare easily but that was ridiculous. What the hell is the matter with First in York? Sort your drivers out.[/p][/quote]he probably honked because as you admit you crossed late. you are correct that what if you had slipped, but that should have been in your mind if you were risking it crossing so late. SB Dubs
  • Score: 5

6:42pm Tue 18 Mar 14

SB Dubs says...

talking about cyclists and cycle paths, does anyone know where cycle paths start and end on Fulford Road/Main Street Fulford?? I have just walked along there and had to move on 3 occasions between Heslington Lane end near Connaught Court which is a very narrow path and Broadway West. I am sure this is not included in being one of the very many cycle paths in Fulford.
talking about cyclists and cycle paths, does anyone know where cycle paths start and end on Fulford Road/Main Street Fulford?? I have just walked along there and had to move on 3 occasions between Heslington Lane end near Connaught Court which is a very narrow path and Broadway West. I am sure this is not included in being one of the very many cycle paths in Fulford. SB Dubs
  • Score: 0

6:46pm Tue 18 Mar 14

CaroleBaines says...

SB Dubs wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Talking of mad drivers, I have never been so alarmed as I was today crossing Station Rd where it meets Micklegate. Okay - I crossed late and the lights changed, but to the bus driver who basically drove at me while honking his horn - why? If I had tripped there was no way he could have stopped. I do not scare easily but that was ridiculous.
What the hell is the matter with First in York? Sort your drivers out.
he probably honked because as you admit you crossed late. you are correct that what if you had slipped, but that should have been in your mind if you were risking it crossing so late.
Hold my hands up to crossing late and a honk is fine. What alarmed me was being driven at with no room for error on my part and I was running. I should have been wiser but am not sure if that justifies putting my life in danger. Just taking foot off pedal for one second would have been enough for the whole thing to pass off very normally. Takes a lot to shake me, but that was just plain dangerous.
And yes - will cross more carefully now, I guess! :-)
[quote][p][bold]SB Dubs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Talking of mad drivers, I have never been so alarmed as I was today crossing Station Rd where it meets Micklegate. Okay - I crossed late and the lights changed, but to the bus driver who basically drove at me while honking his horn - why? If I had tripped there was no way he could have stopped. I do not scare easily but that was ridiculous. What the hell is the matter with First in York? Sort your drivers out.[/p][/quote]he probably honked because as you admit you crossed late. you are correct that what if you had slipped, but that should have been in your mind if you were risking it crossing so late.[/p][/quote]Hold my hands up to crossing late and a honk is fine. What alarmed me was being driven at with no room for error on my part and I was running. I should have been wiser but am not sure if that justifies putting my life in danger. Just taking foot off pedal for one second would have been enough for the whole thing to pass off very normally. Takes a lot to shake me, but that was just plain dangerous. And yes - will cross more carefully now, I guess! :-) CaroleBaines
  • Score: 3

10:58pm Tue 18 Mar 14

DRcycle says...

Captain Beige wrote:
idiots will be idiots wherever they are.

Cyclists don't help themselves by disregarding road rules as it suits them (which P**ses the car drivers off)

and

Car drivers don't help themselves by passing close to cyclists at high speed or being impatient at junctions (which p**ses the cyclists off)

In both cases it is the minority setting bad examples, but they are the ones talked about.

In regards to the incident by the balloon tree.. was it a badly pimped up purple VW Lupo by any chance? If so - then the pratt has nothing against cyclists, he just seems to think he owns the road full stop!
No it was a dark grey Audi TT , if anyone witnessed this I would very much appreciate it
Last Friday 14th march at about 2pm
[quote][p][bold]Captain Beige[/bold] wrote: idiots will be idiots wherever they are. Cyclists don't help themselves by disregarding road rules as it suits them (which P**ses the car drivers off) and Car drivers don't help themselves by passing close to cyclists at high speed or being impatient at junctions (which p**ses the cyclists off) In both cases it is the minority setting bad examples, but they are the ones talked about. In regards to the incident by the balloon tree.. was it a badly pimped up purple VW Lupo by any chance? If so - then the pratt has nothing against cyclists, he just seems to think he owns the road full stop![/p][/quote]No it was a dark grey Audi TT , if anyone witnessed this I would very much appreciate it Last Friday 14th march at about 2pm DRcycle
  • Score: 0

11:00pm Tue 18 Mar 14

DRcycle says...

Captain Beige wrote:
idiots will be idiots wherever they are.

Cyclists don't help themselves by disregarding road rules as it suits them (which P**ses the car drivers off)

and

Car drivers don't help themselves by passing close to cyclists at high speed or being impatient at junctions (which p**ses the cyclists off)

In both cases it is the minority setting bad examples, but they are the ones talked about.

In regards to the incident by the balloon tree.. was it a badly pimped up purple VW Lupo by any chance? If so - then the pratt has nothing against cyclists, he just seems to think he owns the road full stop!
No it was a Audi TT dark grey , last Friday 14th march about 2pm !!! Gosh I,d love to know who it was . !!!
Coming from the Stamford bride end heading towards york.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Beige[/bold] wrote: idiots will be idiots wherever they are. Cyclists don't help themselves by disregarding road rules as it suits them (which P**ses the car drivers off) and Car drivers don't help themselves by passing close to cyclists at high speed or being impatient at junctions (which p**ses the cyclists off) In both cases it is the minority setting bad examples, but they are the ones talked about. In regards to the incident by the balloon tree.. was it a badly pimped up purple VW Lupo by any chance? If so - then the pratt has nothing against cyclists, he just seems to think he owns the road full stop![/p][/quote]No it was a Audi TT dark grey , last Friday 14th march about 2pm !!! Gosh I,d love to know who it was . !!! Coming from the Stamford bride end heading towards york. DRcycle
  • Score: 0

3:37am Wed 19 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

SB Dubs wrote:
talking about cyclists and cycle paths, does anyone know where cycle paths start and end on Fulford Road/Main Street Fulford?? I have just walked along there and had to move on 3 occasions between Heslington Lane end near Connaught Court which is a very narrow path and Broadway West. I am sure this is not included in being one of the very many cycle paths in Fulford.
The only pavement cycle path (shared unsegregated pavement) is from the Police station on Fulford Road up to the Broadway junction, on the side of the road as the barracks.
[quote][p][bold]SB Dubs[/bold] wrote: talking about cyclists and cycle paths, does anyone know where cycle paths start and end on Fulford Road/Main Street Fulford?? I have just walked along there and had to move on 3 occasions between Heslington Lane end near Connaught Court which is a very narrow path and Broadway West. I am sure this is not included in being one of the very many cycle paths in Fulford.[/p][/quote]The only pavement cycle path (shared unsegregated pavement) is from the Police station on Fulford Road up to the Broadway junction, on the side of the road as the barracks. Magicman!
  • Score: 1

3:43am Wed 19 Mar 14

Magicman! says...

CaroleBaines wrote:
SB Dubs wrote:
CaroleBaines wrote:
Talking of mad drivers, I have never been so alarmed as I was today crossing Station Rd where it meets Micklegate. Okay - I crossed late and the lights changed, but to the bus driver who basically drove at me while honking his horn - why? If I had tripped there was no way he could have stopped. I do not scare easily but that was ridiculous.
What the hell is the matter with First in York? Sort your drivers out.
he probably honked because as you admit you crossed late. you are correct that what if you had slipped, but that should have been in your mind if you were risking it crossing so late.
Hold my hands up to crossing late and a honk is fine. What alarmed me was being driven at with no room for error on my part and I was running. I should have been wiser but am not sure if that justifies putting my life in danger. Just taking foot off pedal for one second would have been enough for the whole thing to pass off very normally. Takes a lot to shake me, but that was just plain dangerous.
And yes - will cross more carefully now, I guess! :-)
Whilst the actions of the bus driver cannot be condoned in any way, it has to be said that if the crossing signal has changed from green to red man then you shound not start to cross. Older signalised crossing have a flashing green man phase - which to drivers means that it is OK to go only if there is nobody still halfway crossing the road, and to pedestrians it basically means hurry up... newer crossings don't have that flashing phase, but instead they have sensors above the crossing which hold back traffic and don't give a green light until the crossing is clear; in theory this is a good idea, but in practice a lot of people see that traffic is not moving and they dart out onto the road on a red man signal - the sensors detect this and hold back traffic for a further 15-20 seconds, often by which time another person has dashed out onto the road crossing... but eventually the sensors are over-riden by a timeout and the traffic will be given a green light then whether somebody is crossing the road or not.
[quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SB Dubs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CaroleBaines[/bold] wrote: Talking of mad drivers, I have never been so alarmed as I was today crossing Station Rd where it meets Micklegate. Okay - I crossed late and the lights changed, but to the bus driver who basically drove at me while honking his horn - why? If I had tripped there was no way he could have stopped. I do not scare easily but that was ridiculous. What the hell is the matter with First in York? Sort your drivers out.[/p][/quote]he probably honked because as you admit you crossed late. you are correct that what if you had slipped, but that should have been in your mind if you were risking it crossing so late.[/p][/quote]Hold my hands up to crossing late and a honk is fine. What alarmed me was being driven at with no room for error on my part and I was running. I should have been wiser but am not sure if that justifies putting my life in danger. Just taking foot off pedal for one second would have been enough for the whole thing to pass off very normally. Takes a lot to shake me, but that was just plain dangerous. And yes - will cross more carefully now, I guess! :-)[/p][/quote]Whilst the actions of the bus driver cannot be condoned in any way, it has to be said that if the crossing signal has changed from green to red man then you shound not start to cross. Older signalised crossing have a flashing green man phase - which to drivers means that it is OK to go only if there is nobody still halfway crossing the road, and to pedestrians it basically means hurry up... newer crossings don't have that flashing phase, but instead they have sensors above the crossing which hold back traffic and don't give a green light until the crossing is clear; in theory this is a good idea, but in practice a lot of people see that traffic is not moving and they dart out onto the road on a red man signal - the sensors detect this and hold back traffic for a further 15-20 seconds, often by which time another person has dashed out onto the road crossing... but eventually the sensors are over-riden by a timeout and the traffic will be given a green light then whether somebody is crossing the road or not. Magicman!
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