The Green alternative

The Green alternative

The Green alternative

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READERS who are fed up with the ‘main parties’ and want a more positive message could look to the party that has been warning of the current flooding crisis for years – the Greens.

As we have seen, the climate does not recognise borders and combining with our European neighbours both to counter the floods and to tackle longer term global warming is very much in our national interest.

It is worrying that the anti-European agenda of some Tories and UKIP may have delayed Government acceptance of extra-specialised pumping equipment from the Dutch.

The Green Party has issued a ten-point plan to tackle the crisis. As well as massive investment in renewables and energy conservation, it includes redirecting some of the billions being spent on fracking and fossil fuel subsidies to help for flood victims and drawing down the maximum funding help from the European Union – something the Government has failed to do.

We should also reverse the 1,500 job losses at the Environment Agency, stop building on flood plains, increase spending on flood defences and improve storage of rain water in upland areas.

Denise Craghill, Candidate for the Green Party in Yorkshire & the Humber for the European Parliament Elections, Broadway West, York.

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1:23pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Teabag1 says...

nice try Denise
nice try Denise Teabag1
  • Score: -24

1:23pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Bo Jolly says...

You aren't telling people about the bit where you massively ramp up regressive taxes on electricity, gas, petrol and diesel thus hitting the very people who you claim to want to help - flooding victims - and the rest of us in the pocket, and because these taxes are regressive the less you earn the more you will be hit.

The Green Party manifesto promises to double current 'environmental' taxes including petrol/diesel duty to rise by 8% every year, increasing the climate change levy on our fuel bills (widely recognised as one of the drivers of our vast domestic bills), increasing taxes on pesticides and fertiliser (which will presumably raise food prices). Quite how all these regressive taxes square with the Greens otherwise laudable aim of increasing social equality I don't know.
You aren't telling people about the bit where you massively ramp up regressive taxes on electricity, gas, petrol and diesel thus hitting the very people who you claim to want to help - flooding victims - and the rest of us in the pocket, and because these taxes are regressive the less you earn the more you will be hit. The Green Party manifesto promises to double current 'environmental' taxes including petrol/diesel duty to rise by 8% every year, increasing the climate change levy on our fuel bills (widely recognised as one of the drivers of our vast domestic bills), increasing taxes on pesticides and fertiliser (which will presumably raise food prices). Quite how all these regressive taxes square with the Greens otherwise laudable aim of increasing social equality I don't know. Bo Jolly
  • Score: -21

1:33pm Fri 21 Feb 14

wallman says...

bet the greens believe in flying pigs as well
bet the greens believe in flying pigs as well wallman
  • Score: -17

2:46pm Fri 21 Feb 14

spiritofyork says...

reason is we don't want to feel like we owe those europeans anything. WE do it ourselves, WE don't need THEIR help.

Your a lost cause on the left wing, we all know that York will be Tory/UKIP this time in 18 months.
reason is we don't want to feel like we owe those europeans anything. WE do it ourselves, WE don't need THEIR help. Your a lost cause on the left wing, we all know that York will be Tory/UKIP this time in 18 months. spiritofyork
  • Score: -26

3:00pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Dr Robert says...

Yes Denise your green party may have been warning of coming floods for years, not rocket science when your green party are mainly responsible for causing it, eg. persuading and infiltrating the Environmental Agency into not clearing waterways and dredging, which ironically is damaging more wildlife now than the policy was meant to protect.
Yes Denise your green party may have been warning of coming floods for years, not rocket science when your green party are mainly responsible for causing it, eg. persuading and infiltrating the Environmental Agency into not clearing waterways and dredging, which ironically is damaging more wildlife now than the policy was meant to protect. Dr Robert
  • Score: -26

5:44pm Fri 21 Feb 14

strangebuttrue? says...

Were we not told at first that if would be heat and drought when it was called global warming after a couple of good summers?. It feels to me that since action has been taken, like ramping up all fuel bills to price many less off out of the energy market, all we have seen is cold and floods and global warming suddenly changed it's name to climate change. Talk about changing like the weather!!

It may or may not be that we have an effect on the climate I have yet to be convinced after all the name and doom forecasting changes to suit the current weather patterns, but one thing I do know - many people in this country cannot afford to have you in power or even influencing policy.
Were we not told at first that if would be heat and drought when it was called global warming after a couple of good summers?. It feels to me that since action has been taken, like ramping up all fuel bills to price many less off out of the energy market, all we have seen is cold and floods and global warming suddenly changed it's name to climate change. Talk about changing like the weather!! It may or may not be that we have an effect on the climate I have yet to be convinced after all the name and doom forecasting changes to suit the current weather patterns, but one thing I do know - many people in this country cannot afford to have you in power or even influencing policy. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -38

6:17pm Fri 21 Feb 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Actually, you made a couple of good points Denise, such as 'improve storage of rain water in upland areas.' and alo restoring the sacked EA pesonnel..
Only one job should go in that agency and that is Chris Smith who ignored all advice from the locals on the ground. I dare say the MET Office forecast of a dry winter didn't help either. Just a couple of years ago there was concern that the UK could run out fwater, folowing a couple of dry Winters!
We keep hearing in the media that this Winter has broken all the records.
For weather records, Winter ends at the end of February and unless there is exceptional heay rain in the next week then the Winter of 1929/30 will go down as the wettest recorded. But don't let te facts get in the way.

Spending another fortune on renewable energy won't stop the weather that comes our way, mostly from the Alantic. Weather system are chaotic at best and nobody can predict more than a few days in advance, not even Algore.

What we can do is sart investing in people and property and engineer solutions, especially with the always incrasing amounts of concrete taking away our soak up capacity.

The real alternative is UKIP, who will do away with carbon phobia and stop wasting our money on a political hoax.
Actually, you made a couple of good points Denise, such as 'improve storage of rain water in upland areas.' and alo restoring the sacked EA pesonnel.. Only one job should go in that agency and that is Chris Smith who ignored all advice from the locals on the ground. I dare say the MET Office forecast of a dry winter didn't help either. Just a couple of years ago there was concern that the UK could run out fwater, folowing a couple of dry Winters! We keep hearing in the media that this Winter has broken all the records. For weather records, Winter ends at the end of February and unless there is exceptional heay rain in the next week then the Winter of 1929/30 will go down as the wettest recorded. But don't let te facts get in the way. Spending another fortune on renewable energy won't stop the weather that comes our way, mostly from the Alantic. Weather system are chaotic at best and nobody can predict more than a few days in advance, not even Algore. What we can do is sart investing in people and property and engineer solutions, especially with the always incrasing amounts of concrete taking away our soak up capacity. The real alternative is UKIP, who will do away with carbon phobia and stop wasting our money on a political hoax. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -34

8:43pm Fri 21 Feb 14

greenmonkey says...

Cold as Christmas seems to be as confused as strangebuttrue accuses the greens of being. So the Winter of 1929/30 might have been wetter, but the summer of 2007 was nearly as wet and the whole year of 2012 was the wettest on record, 2000 had extremely high flooding in York, the highest for 400 years. In the 19th century there were floods for a range of reasons 1947 - rapid melt following long cold spell,1953 - storm surge as in 2013, 1982 high rainfall. The frequency of 'exceptional' weather is increasing, whether storms, rain, heatwave etc 99% of scientists say this is linked to man made climate change and that we have to take urgent action now to limit overall increases in global temperatures and CO2 in the atmosphere. No one can predict the weather, true, but patterns in the past decade are consistent with changes predicted by scientists in response to global warming - more violent storms as there is more energy stored in the oceans and atmosphere, changes to currents caused by receding arctic ice sheets, etc etc The flooding of 2007 and 2014 were both caused by the jet stream moving south and sticking in a pattern bringing the rainfall normally delivered to the N Atlantic and Scotland to the Midlands and southern England. If there is a political hoax it is those who focus on 'green taxes' when the energy companies would prefer to block funding for insulation and renewables, which are a threat to their oil and gas profits. If Germany which has such a strong economy and not much coastline can achieve 50% of its energy from renewables we should be doing far more to take advantage of our own natural resources and invest in lower energy costs in the future as we move away from a fossil fuel based economy.
People certainly cant afford the higher food prices that come with flooded fields and fertiliser based food production - the more we can do to boost local organic food, share skills for growing your own salad and veg, etc the better, and the more resilient we will be when faced with fluctuating world food prices in response to natural disasters. No we cannot change our economy and way of life overnight but we certainly wont solve the problems by business as usual and ignoring the vivid signals from weather extremes we have experienced recently. As for saying we cant do anything until the Chinese do, just think back to how the slave trade was ended - principled stands by leaders in one country, reasoned argument and political action. The planet may already be severely damaged by the present generation who have enjoyed the benefits of an oil economy, but concerted action by us all is surely worth a try for future generations?
Cold as Christmas seems to be as confused as strangebuttrue accuses the greens of being. So the Winter of 1929/30 might have been wetter, but the summer of 2007 was nearly as wet and the whole year of 2012 was the wettest on record, 2000 had extremely high flooding in York, the highest for 400 years. In the 19th century there were floods for a range of reasons 1947 - rapid melt following long cold spell,1953 - storm surge as in 2013, 1982 high rainfall. The frequency of 'exceptional' weather is increasing, whether storms, rain, heatwave etc 99% of scientists say this is linked to man made climate change and that we have to take urgent action now to limit overall increases in global temperatures and CO2 in the atmosphere. No one can predict the weather, true, but patterns in the past decade are consistent with changes predicted by scientists in response to global warming - more violent storms as there is more energy stored in the oceans and atmosphere, changes to currents caused by receding arctic ice sheets, etc etc The flooding of 2007 and 2014 were both caused by the jet stream moving south and sticking in a pattern bringing the rainfall normally delivered to the N Atlantic and Scotland to the Midlands and southern England. If there is a political hoax it is those who focus on 'green taxes' when the energy companies would prefer to block funding for insulation and renewables, which are a threat to their oil and gas profits. If Germany which has such a strong economy and not much coastline can achieve 50% of its energy from renewables we should be doing far more to take advantage of our own natural resources and invest in lower energy costs in the future as we move away from a fossil fuel based economy. People certainly cant afford the higher food prices that come with flooded fields and fertiliser based food production - the more we can do to boost local organic food, share skills for growing your own salad and veg, etc the better, and the more resilient we will be when faced with fluctuating world food prices in response to natural disasters. No we cannot change our economy and way of life overnight but we certainly wont solve the problems by business as usual and ignoring the vivid signals from weather extremes we have experienced recently. As for saying we cant do anything until the Chinese do, just think back to how the slave trade was ended - principled stands by leaders in one country, reasoned argument and political action. The planet may already be severely damaged by the present generation who have enjoyed the benefits of an oil economy, but concerted action by us all is surely worth a try for future generations? greenmonkey
  • Score: 16

11:39pm Fri 21 Feb 14

wallman says...

why has all the comments - votes? is it because we don't agree?
why has all the comments - votes? is it because we don't agree? wallman
  • Score: -20

7:46am Sat 22 Feb 14

Igiveinthen says...

wallman wrote:
why has all the comments - votes? is it because we don't agree?
Yes you are spot on with your comment, strange isnt it, the comments on hear show - to me at least - that not everyone subscribes to the 'green' way of thinking and the comment about 'regressive taxation' is a concern to me, yet every comment has been marked down.
[quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: why has all the comments - votes? is it because we don't agree?[/p][/quote]Yes you are spot on with your comment, strange isnt it, the comments on hear show - to me at least - that not everyone subscribes to the 'green' way of thinking and the comment about 'regressive taxation' is a concern to me, yet every comment has been marked down. Igiveinthen
  • Score: -21

7:48am Sat 22 Feb 14

Igiveinthen says...

Igiveinthen wrote:
wallman wrote:
why has all the comments - votes? is it because we don't agree?
Yes you are spot on with your comment, strange isnt it, the comments on hear show - to me at least - that not everyone subscribes to the 'green' way of thinking and the comment about 'regressive taxation' is a concern to me, yet every comment has been marked down.
Oops - hear should be spelt here!
[quote][p][bold]Igiveinthen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wallman[/bold] wrote: why has all the comments - votes? is it because we don't agree?[/p][/quote]Yes you are spot on with your comment, strange isnt it, the comments on hear show - to me at least - that not everyone subscribes to the 'green' way of thinking and the comment about 'regressive taxation' is a concern to me, yet every comment has been marked down.[/p][/quote]Oops - hear should be spelt here! Igiveinthen
  • Score: -25

10:37am Sat 22 Feb 14

bravo whisky says...

Are the greens going the same way as York labour party, anything they do not like to hear means bring on the 'thumbs down' brigade. Pathetic to say the least.
Are the greens going the same way as York labour party, anything they do not like to hear means bring on the 'thumbs down' brigade. Pathetic to say the least. bravo whisky
  • Score: -18

8:38pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Mulgrave says...

bravo whisky wrote:
Are the greens going the same way as York labour party, anything they do not like to hear means bring on the 'thumbs down' brigade. Pathetic to say the least.
You can't tell some of them apart; Green to Labour to blatant 20's Plenty in the blink of an eye.
[quote][p][bold]bravo whisky[/bold] wrote: Are the greens going the same way as York labour party, anything they do not like to hear means bring on the 'thumbs down' brigade. Pathetic to say the least.[/p][/quote]You can't tell some of them apart; Green to Labour to blatant 20's Plenty in the blink of an eye. Mulgrave
  • Score: -21

9:46pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Badgers Drift says...

Score hacker clearly supports the Council, Labour and the Greens.
Score hacker clearly supports the Council, Labour and the Greens. Badgers Drift
  • Score: -12

2:51am Sun 23 Feb 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

GM, very well done on sticking to the issue. I don’t agree with all of your stats but I agree with most, you are certainly right on the Summer 2007 rainfall. This was exceptional. There were two days in June 2007 when the rainfall went off the scale to be measured in York! But did you know that there were only 3 days in July 2009 when it did not rain, again in York!
There is plenty of uncorrupted data on rainfall / precipitation you can refer to going way back and believe it or not there is no hockey stick, unlike with what you are expected to believe via projections with regard to temperature.
You are right to mention the jet stream as weather can only be explained in meteorological terms, such as the UK's hottest Summer on record, made possible by a high pressure system up from the South West, sitting over the UK from 29th May to 22nd August 1976. Actually the previous Summer is among the hot ones and yet it managed to snow heavily on the 2nd June in Derbyshire. 1977 was a cool damp Summer on the other hand, not unlike 2008-20012. I left out 2007 as said previously, the rain was an exception. Yes, freak weather is nothing new!
UK Winter 1962/3 was so cold because the jet stream split around the British Isles, allowing air from the East to the UK, rather like last Spring, the coldest since then!
I could talk on weather/climate stats all night and extreme weather is nothing new; but tell me: how can you be so certain that a trace amount of man made CO2 can shift the jet stream and shift pressure systems about? And let's also be clear that 95% of our very necessary greenhouse gases is water vapour!
We haven’t mentioned warming or the lack of it 2013/14 yet: The expanding Antarctic ice extent record, the record low temperatures ever recorded on Earth, (Antarctica) highest snowfall in Japan in 120 years. Snow for the first time recorded in parts of the Middle East and what is looking like the coldest Winter (Ends next week) in the USA. Did the not melting Winter Arctic make the Vortex? Or was it a high pressure system in the North West Pacific, also causing the Californian drought? I’m in no doubt.
There has been some very hot weather in Australia but as any Aussie knows that when the winds blow in from the hot inertia this is what to expect. Check out Melbourne record high temperature 1909, well before Algore’s time!

You mention Germany as 50% renewable dependant. I could only find 25% in my search (Not your 50% ) and that figure is going down due to high cost of renewables and unreliability as Germany returns to coal, even brown coal!
Thanks for the debate though. If only that could happen in Parliament and not even any need for name calling!
GM, very well done on sticking to the issue. I don’t agree with all of your stats but I agree with most, you are certainly right on the Summer 2007 rainfall. This was exceptional. There were two days in June 2007 when the rainfall went off the scale to be measured in York! But did you know that there were only 3 days in July 2009 when it did not rain, again in York! There is plenty of uncorrupted data on rainfall / precipitation you can refer to going way back and believe it or not there is no hockey stick, unlike with what you are expected to believe via projections with regard to temperature. You are right to mention the jet stream as weather can only be explained in meteorological terms, such as the UK's hottest Summer on record, made possible by a high pressure system up from the South West, sitting over the UK from 29th May to 22nd August 1976. Actually the previous Summer is among the hot ones and yet it managed to snow heavily on the 2nd June in Derbyshire. 1977 was a cool damp Summer on the other hand, not unlike 2008-20012. I left out 2007 as said previously, the rain was an exception. Yes, freak weather is nothing new! UK Winter 1962/3 was so cold because the jet stream split around the British Isles, allowing air from the East to the UK, rather like last Spring, the coldest since then! I could talk on weather/climate stats all night and extreme weather is nothing new; but tell me: how can you be so certain that a trace amount of man made CO2 can shift the jet stream and shift pressure systems about? And let's also be clear that 95% of our very necessary greenhouse gases is water vapour! We haven’t mentioned warming or the lack of it 2013/14 yet: The expanding Antarctic ice extent record, the record low temperatures ever recorded on Earth, (Antarctica) highest snowfall in Japan in 120 years. Snow for the first time recorded in parts of the Middle East and what is looking like the coldest Winter (Ends next week) in the USA. Did the not melting Winter Arctic make the Vortex? Or was it a high pressure system in the North West Pacific, also causing the Californian drought? I’m in no doubt. There has been some very hot weather in Australia but as any Aussie knows that when the winds blow in from the hot inertia this is what to expect. Check out Melbourne record high temperature 1909, well before Algore’s time! You mention Germany as 50% renewable dependant. I could only find 25% in my search (Not your 50% ) and that figure is going down due to high cost of renewables and unreliability as Germany returns to coal, even brown coal! Thanks for the debate though. If only that could happen in Parliament and not even any need for name calling! ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -11

11:08pm Sun 23 Feb 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Ready when you are GM: I should have mentioned the lack of Hurricanes in the USA after Katrina. Algore said there would be more of them and increasing in intensity because of warming. Still waiting.
Ready when you are GM: I should have mentioned the lack of Hurricanes in the USA after Katrina. Algore said there would be more of them and increasing in intensity because of warming. Still waiting. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: -15

11:09pm Mon 24 Feb 14

ColdAsChristmas says...

Also GM, all this talk about future generations! What I don't want to leave future generations is even more that the £1.2 Trillion National debt..
Also GM, all this talk about future generations! What I don't want to leave future generations is even more that the £1.2 Trillion National debt.. ColdAsChristmas
  • Score: 0

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